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| deztructor | mornnnn | 04:03 |
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| sonach | morning | 04:14 |
| Stskeeps | morn sonach | 04:18 |
| iekku | morning | 04:20 |
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| situ | Morning everyone.. | 04:44 |
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| Stskeeps | morn situ | 04:45 |
| iekku | hi situ | 04:47 |
| situ | iekku: Hello | 04:48 |
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| * ljp waves | 04:54 | |
| Stskeeps | good morning ljp | 04:55 |
| ljp | whazzup? | 04:55 |
| Stskeeps | waking up.. time to work on some QA stuff today | 04:56 |
| Stskeeps | reading fallout from yesterday's press release | 04:56 |
| ljp | I've been working on my Qt backlog of patches | 04:56 |
| Stskeeps | i managed to get my inbox in order finally, so maybe i can live a less stressy existence.. | 04:58 |
| Stskeeps | was dropping mails i had to answer to left and right.. | 04:58 |
| ljp | ahh. select 'unread' :) | 04:58 |
| ljp | or open a reply and leave it until ready | 04:59 |
| ljp | man, its hot here today | 04:59 |
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| Stskeeps | 20 C in warsaw.. not looking forward to going to finland | 05:02 |
| Stskeeps | i'll probably freeze to death | 05:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:02 |
| dm8tbr | so far there's no snow in tampere... | 05:03 |
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| ljp | got up to 32C here | 05:07 |
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| Jake9xx | Stskeeps: congrats on the Mer release | 05:15 |
| Jake9xx | +lbt | 05:15 |
| Stskeeps | Jake9xx: just another prerelease | 05:15 |
| Stskeeps | the actual release will hopefully come today | 05:15 |
| Jake9xx | do we get x86 sysroot along with it ;) | 05:18 |
| Stskeeps | no, :P | 05:19 |
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| Bostik | morning | 05:38 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't know if it is the best place to say it, but apps.formeego.org is down :( | 06:30 |
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| dm8tbr | Sfiet_Konstantin: ping X-Fade on this | 06:33 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | thanks dm8tbr | 06:40 |
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| Jake9xx | lbt: should we have 'remount' option for mer-sdk-chroot ? I tried it experimentally (automatic umount->mount cycle) because at least in ubuntu 12.04 you need to do umount + mount separately when you begin your day | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, something's a bit off with umount+mount after reboot | 07:07 |
| Sage_ | Jake9xx: don't shutdown your computer, just put it to standby or so ;) | 07:08 |
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| Jake9xx | Sage_: you have been selected to pay my electricity bills from 22-08 ;) (hint, our electric heating kicks off at 22 ;)) | 07:09 |
| Sage_ | Jake9xx: hibernate? | 07:10 |
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| Jake9xx | Sage_: still consumes energy. It's funny how these "hakkuri" power supplies work. If the circuit is closed it actually consumes energy. If it's just plugged in but cable is off, then current drain is 0 | 07:11 |
| Sage_ | Jake9xx: also check permissions of /home/* dirs if those are ok still | 07:11 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: -rws--x--x 1 root root 1631980 2012-09-24 17:04 /usr/bin/Xorg | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | am i the only one who thinks that looks a bit weird in my book? | 07:16 |
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| * Stskeeps discovers bugs in blts-x11.. | 07:40 | |
| Stskeeps | it's impressive what things uncover when you run things as non-root | 07:40 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: what in the Xorg looks odd? You mean no +r? | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 07:43 |
| Sage_ | well, it works without ;) | 07:43 |
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| lbt | Jake9xx: I think the SDK entry logic could be better - I'm very uneasy about umount on exit - but mount on entry should be fine | 08:30 |
| lbt | oh, and "morning all" | 08:30 |
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| Jake9xx | lbt: true, I was looking for a quick fix(tm) | 08:56 |
| lbt | *nod* | 08:56 |
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| heller | hey there ... i recently read about libhybris ... how far along is it and do i need to have a rooted device in order to use it? | 10:58 |
| heller | the documentation on it is kind of poor and i just started android development ... | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | heller: it's a bit in alpha phases and you need tough skin to use it :) but it works quite nicely already now | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | heller: what do you hope to do with it? | 10:59 |
| heller | I am porting a C++ parallel runtime to android currently ... and i ran into the tls limitations of bionic ... so i was wondering | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, they're.. not so nice | 11:00 |
| heller | is there a step by step guide online somewhere? | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | well libhybris is more for non-android systems to use android bits | 11:01 |
| heller | oh | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | not reverse :) | 11:01 |
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| heller | so what you are saying is that i need to work around the limitations in my own code? | 11:02 |
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| heller | i thought i could just link against libhybris and be done with it :P | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | heller: yup :P | 11:02 |
| heller | damnit | 11:03 |
| heller | i was under the impression that libhybris was an alternative libc provider | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | libhybris works from glibc -> android | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:03 |
| heller | yeah, exactly! | 11:04 |
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| heller | Stskeeps: so, whenever i need to use C library functions (or posix ones), libhybris is called, isn't it? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | right, though it requires glibc to be installed, and it doesn't wrap everything | 11:06 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: did it get tested/modified to work on JB yet? :) | 11:06 |
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| heller | right ... and i am on jellybeans | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: yes somebody did | 11:06 |
| heller | Stskeeps: aha! here we go. so i would need to compile glibc myself then | 11:06 |
| heller | ... right? | 11:07 |
| RaYmAn | cool - I really need to test it on some of my tablets, heh. | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | heller: and for good measure, trying to port something -to- android with libhybris is a bad idea ;) | 11:07 |
| heller | Stskeeps: gotcha. so libhybris is just a quick'n'dirty hack to get you guys started in the first place i assume? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | heller: libhybris is a way to use android hardware adaptation on other things than android | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's a serious industry issue | 11:08 |
| heller | ahh | 11:09 |
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| heller | Stskeeps: ok ... I am back to debugging then ... thanks for your help! | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | np | 11:10 |
| heller | and advise | 11:10 |
| sroedal | Stskeeps: would it be possible to provide an android emulation layer on top of Mer, to run Android apps? | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | sroedal: it's not really my area, but the code is all there for dalvik etc.. | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | and if i can use hw adaptatation, why not use rest.. | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | ie, redirect surfaceflinger/rendering, etc | 11:12 |
| sroedal | indeed | 11:12 |
| sroedal | would be interesting to have those be redirected to be qtwayland clients for instance | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a fun afternoon project for anybody to take on | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | especially since you'd be able to redirect egl* too | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | turn dalvik into a .so.. | 11:17 |
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| sroedal | I don't really know how that whole dalvik stack works | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | me neither | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | thats why i rip the parts i know how works | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | sroedal: did you see pq's work on buffer sharing on android btw? | 11:26 |
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| sroedal | Stskeeps: I saw his wayland work yes | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 11:29 |
| sroedal | Stskeeps: I also used his stuff to get libffi and wayland built so I could test qtwayland on android (bionic) | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 11:29 |
| sroedal | but I only used it for shm clients so far | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | this looked like it was feasible enough to make into hw integration at least | 11:30 |
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| pq | :-) | 11:34 |
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| faenil | mooooo :) | 12:52 |
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| w00t | lbt: cobs time out of sync again? | 13:07 |
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| tilouX | hellp | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | hello tilouX :) | 13:48 |
| tilouX | i just want to say this project is really awesome ;) | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | thank you | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | so what brings you here? | 13:48 |
| tilouX | i want to know how to get a .iso of the mer project | 13:49 |
| tilouX | or a sdk | 13:49 |
| tilouX | but i prefer an image if possible | 13:49 |
| tilouX | :) | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.merproject.org is a start - remember mer is just a core | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | you may want nemo instead | 13:49 |
| tilouX | maybe,i really want to know more and more about the mer project | 13:49 |
| tilouX | i learned Jolla will Use Mer as a core! | 13:50 |
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| vgrade_ | oh dear, https://lists.tizen.org/pipermail/general/2012-October/001068.html | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 16:15 |
| vgrade_ | ouch | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | arjan is a good guy, deep down | 16:17 |
| vgrade_ | I thought the email hit the spot | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | i'd be lynched if i did stuff like that in mer | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | and the fact i can be, :P | 16:19 |
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| Stskeeps | i mean, the connman screwu | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | p | 16:21 |
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| vgrade_ | oh, it gets worse | 16:30 |
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| vgrade_ | indicative of a Mickey Mouse project :) | 16:36 |
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| dm8tbr | vgrade_: note to self, always prewarm strategic pop-corn reserve when clicking tizen-ml links... | 17:01 |
| sroedal | which list is this? | 17:02 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade_: ouch? | 17:11 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.mobilebusinessbriefing.com/articles/samsung-reveals-lessons-learnt-from-early-tizen-work/25478 | 17:16 |
| sroedal | wonder what's going on there: "btw, are you telling me that Samsung just basically clobbered all the work that the dozen of Intel Tizen folks did over the last, like 15 months??" | 17:18 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: oh. someone in that camp is finally getting the importance of transparency | 17:38 |
| kylanpaj | timoph: I was thinking the same :--) | 17:39 |
| timoph | :) | 17:39 |
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| phaeron | dm8tbr: ping | 17:52 |
| dm8tbr | phaeron: pong | 17:53 |
| phaeron | dm8tbr: I see you have the merbot config file open on the irc vm | 17:53 |
| phaeron | dm8tbr: wanted to get it to a channel where it will log stuff | 17:53 |
| phaeron | I think it is already in #nemomobile , right ? | 17:54 |
| dm8tbr | phaeron: yes should be. also you operate it by IRC privmsg | 17:54 |
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| phaeron | dm8tbr: is it running the notify plugin | 17:55 |
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| phaeron | dm8tbr: basically I need it for notifying CI messages | 17:55 |
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| dm8tbr | ah, that should be no problem | 17:56 |
| dm8tbr | I'll have a look | 17:56 |
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| phaeron | thanks. #mer-boss would be a logging channel and #nemomobile for announcements about SRs etc .. | 17:57 |
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| Kelteseth | Heyho ;) | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | heyoo | 19:44 |
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| nemo | Stskeeps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fy63w6WxOw just ran into this | 19:54 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: gonna try getting Hedgewars to run using it, hopefully not too complicated :) | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | nemo: scar | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | y | 19:55 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: wondering how well it works w/ SDL | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | that was a massive hack fwiw | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:55 |
| nemo | I'd been trying to think of how to get SDL based game working on the pi | 19:55 |
| nemo | I was thinking of having SDL handle mouse/keyboard input while creating a separate GL context (fullscreen) to draw the game on | 19:56 |
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| nemo | but, was hoping for maybe something a bit more straightforward | 19:56 |
| nemo | in our case SDL isn't doing the drawing, so it might be easier | 19:57 |
| nemo | just need a context set up, and with positioning matching where SDL thinks the window is for mouse control | 19:57 |
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| nemo | but. this looks easier | 19:57 |
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