Friday, 2012-10-05

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sonachmorning04:14
Stskeepsmorn sonach04:18
iekkumorning04:20
timophmorning04:27
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situMorning everyone..04:44
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Stskeepsmorn situ04:45
iekkuhi situ04:47
situiekku: Hello04:48
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* ljp waves04:54
Stskeepsgood morning ljp04:55
ljpwhazzup?04:55
Stskeepswaking up.. time to work on some QA stuff today04:56
Stskeepsreading fallout from yesterday's press release04:56
ljpI've been working on my Qt backlog of patches04:56
Stskeepsi managed to get my inbox in order finally, so maybe i can live a less stressy existence..04:58
Stskeepswas dropping mails i had to answer to left and right..04:58
ljpahh. select 'unread' :)04:58
ljpor open a reply and leave it until ready04:59
ljpman, its hot here today04:59
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Stskeeps20 C in warsaw.. not looking forward to going to finland05:02
Stskeepsi'll probably freeze to death05:02
Stskeeps:P05:02
dm8tbrso far there's no snow in tampere...05:03
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ljpgot up to 32C here05:07
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Jake9xxStskeeps: congrats on the Mer release05:15
Jake9xx+lbt05:15
StskeepsJake9xx: just another prerelease05:15
Stskeepsthe actual release will hopefully come today05:15
Jake9xxdo we get x86 sysroot along with it ;)05:18
Stskeepsno, :P05:19
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Bostikmorning05:38
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Sfiet_Konstantindon't know if it is the best place to say it, but apps.formeego.org is down :(06:30
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dm8tbrSfiet_Konstantin: ping X-Fade on this06:33
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Sfiet_Konstantinthanks dm8tbr06:40
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Jake9xxlbt: should we have 'remount' option for mer-sdk-chroot ? I tried it experimentally (automatic umount->mount cycle) because at least in ubuntu 12.04 you need to do umount + mount separately when you begin your day07:06
Stskeepsyeah, something's a bit off with umount+mount after reboot07:07
Sage_Jake9xx: don't shutdown your computer, just put it to standby or so ;)07:08
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Jake9xxSage_: you have been selected to pay my electricity bills from 22-08 ;) (hint, our electric heating kicks off at 22 ;))07:09
Sage_Jake9xx: hibernate?07:10
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Jake9xxSage_: still consumes energy. It's funny how these "hakkuri" power supplies work. If the circuit is closed it actually consumes energy. If it's just plugged in but cable is off, then current drain is 007:11
Sage_Jake9xx: also check permissions of /home/* dirs if those are ok still07:11
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StskeepsSage_: -rws--x--x 1 root root 1631980 2012-09-24 17:04 /usr/bin/Xorg07:16
Stskeepsam i the only one who thinks that looks a bit weird in my book?07:16
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* Stskeeps discovers bugs in blts-x11..07:40
Stskeepsit's impressive what things uncover when you run things as non-root07:40
Sage_Stskeeps: what in the Xorg looks odd? You mean no +r?07:43
Stskeepsyeah07:43
Sage_well, it works without ;)07:43
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lbtJake9xx: I think the SDK entry logic could be better - I'm very uneasy about umount on exit - but mount on entry should be fine08:30
lbtoh, and "morning all"08:30
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Jake9xxlbt: true, I was looking for a quick fix(tm)08:56
lbt*nod*08:56
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hellerhey there ... i recently read about libhybris ... how far along is it and do i need to have a rooted device in order to use it?10:58
hellerthe documentation on it is kind of poor and i just started android development ...10:59
Stskeepsheller: it's a bit in alpha phases and you need tough skin to use it :) but it works quite nicely already now10:59
Stskeepsheller: what do you hope to do with it?10:59
hellerI am porting a C++ parallel runtime to android currently ... and i ran into the tls limitations of bionic ... so i was wondering10:59
Stskeepsyeah, they're.. not so nice11:00
helleris there a step by step guide online somewhere?11:01
Stskeepswell libhybris is more for non-android systems to use android bits11:01
helleroh11:01
Stskeepsnot reverse :)11:01
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hellerso what you are saying is that i need to work around the limitations in my own code?11:02
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helleri thought i could just link against libhybris and be done with it :P11:02
Stskeepsheller: yup :P11:02
hellerdamnit11:03
helleri was under the impression that libhybris was an alternative libc provider11:03
Stskeepslibhybris works from glibc -> android11:03
Stskeeps:P11:03
helleryeah, exactly!11:04
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hellerStskeeps: so, whenever i need to use C library functions (or posix ones), libhybris is called, isn't it?11:05
Stskeepsright, though it requires glibc to be installed, and it doesn't wrap everything11:06
RaYmAnStskeeps: did it get tested/modified to work on JB yet? :)11:06
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hellerright ... and i am on jellybeans11:06
StskeepsRaYmAn: yes somebody did11:06
hellerStskeeps: aha! here we go. so i would need to compile glibc myself then11:06
heller... right?11:07
RaYmAncool - I really need to test it on some of my tablets, heh.11:07
Stskeepsheller: and for good measure, trying to port something -to- android with libhybris is a bad idea ;)11:07
hellerStskeeps: gotcha. so libhybris is just a quick'n'dirty hack to get you guys started in the first place i assume?11:08
Stskeepsheller: libhybris is a way to use android hardware adaptation on other things than android11:08
Stskeepsit's a serious industry issue11:08
hellerahh11:09
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hellerStskeeps: ok ... I am back to debugging then ... thanks for your help!11:10
Stskeepsnp11:10
hellerand advise11:10
sroedalStskeeps: would it be possible to provide an android emulation layer on top of Mer, to run Android apps?11:10
Stskeepssroedal: it's not really my area, but the code is all there for dalvik etc..11:11
Stskeepsand if i can use hw adaptatation, why not use rest..11:12
Stskeepsie, redirect surfaceflinger/rendering, etc11:12
sroedalindeed11:12
sroedalwould be interesting to have those be redirected to be qtwayland clients for instance11:13
Stskeepssounds like a fun afternoon project for anybody to take on11:13
Stskeepsespecially since you'd be able to redirect egl* too11:13
Stskeepsturn dalvik into a .so..11:17
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sroedalI don't really know how that whole dalvik stack works11:21
Stskeepsme neither11:21
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Stskeepsthats why i rip the parts i know how works11:26
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Stskeepssroedal: did you see pq's work on buffer sharing on android btw?11:26
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sroedalStskeeps: I saw his wayland work yes11:29
Stskeepsalright11:29
sroedalStskeeps: I also used his stuff to get libffi and wayland built so I could test qtwayland on android (bionic)11:29
Stskeepscool11:29
sroedalbut I only used it for shm clients so far11:30
Stskeepsthis looked like it was feasible enough to make into hw integration at least11:30
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pq:-)11:34
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faenilmooooo :)12:52
dm8tbrmeeeeh12:52
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cybettemiiiii12:55
faenil:)12:56
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w00tmake: Warning: File `qmlmail.pro' has modification time 38 s in the future13:06
w00tlbt: cobs time out of sync again?13:07
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tilouXhellp13:48
Stskeepshello tilouX :)13:48
tilouXi just want to say this project is really awesome ;)13:48
Stskeepsthank you13:48
Stskeepsso what brings you here?13:48
tilouXi want to know how to get a .iso of the mer project13:49
tilouXor a sdk13:49
tilouXbut i prefer an image if possible13:49
tilouX:)13:49
Stskeepswiki.merproject.org is a start - remember mer is just a core13:49
Stskeepsyou may want nemo instead13:49
tilouXmaybe,i really want to know more and more about the mer project13:49
tilouXi learned Jolla will Use Mer as a core!13:50
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vgrade_oh dear, https://lists.tizen.org/pipermail/general/2012-October/001068.html16:15
Stskeepsyeah..16:15
vgrade_ouch16:16
Stskeepsarjan is a good guy, deep down16:17
vgrade_I thought the email hit the spot16:17
Stskeepsyeah..16:17
Stskeepsi'd be lynched if i did stuff like that in mer16:19
Stskeepsand the fact i can be, :P16:19
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Stskeepsi mean, the connman screwu16:21
Stskeepsp16:21
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vgrade_oh, it gets worse16:30
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vgrade_ indicative of a Mickey Mouse project :)16:36
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dm8tbrvgrade_: note to self, always prewarm strategic pop-corn reserve when clicking tizen-ml links...17:01
sroedalwhich list is this?17:02
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faenildm8tbr, lol17:04
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CosmoHillmy spleen17:08
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Stskeepsvgrade_: ouch?17:11
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Stskeepshttp://www.mobilebusinessbriefing.com/articles/samsung-reveals-lessons-learnt-from-early-tizen-work/2547817:16
sroedalwonder what's going on there: "btw, are you telling me that Samsung just basically clobbered all the work that the dozen of Intel Tizen folks did over the last, like 15 months??"17:18
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timophStskeeps: oh. someone in that camp is finally getting the importance of transparency17:38
kylanpajtimoph: I was thinking the same :--)17:39
timoph:)17:39
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phaerondm8tbr: ping17:52
dm8tbrphaeron: pong17:53
phaerondm8tbr: I see you have the  merbot config file open on the irc vm17:53
phaerondm8tbr: wanted to get it to a channel where it will log stuff17:53
phaeronI think it is already in #nemomobile , right ?17:54
dm8tbrphaeron: yes should be. also you operate it by IRC privmsg17:54
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phaerondm8tbr: is it running the notify plugin17:55
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phaerondm8tbr: basically I need it for notifying CI messages17:55
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dm8tbrah, that should be no problem17:56
dm8tbrI'll have a look17:56
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phaeronthanks. #mer-boss would be a logging channel and #nemomobile for announcements about SRs etc ..17:57
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KeltesethHeyho ;)19:44
Stskeepsheyoo19:44
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nemoStskeeps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fy63w6WxOw  just ran into this19:54
nemoStskeeps: gonna try getting Hedgewars to run using it, hopefully not too complicated :)19:55
Stskeepsnemo: scar19:55
Stskeepsy19:55
nemoStskeeps: wondering how well it works w/ SDL19:55
Stskeepsthat was a massive hack fwiw19:55
Stskeeps:P19:55
nemoI'd been trying to think of how to get SDL based game working on the pi19:55
nemoI was thinking of having SDL handle mouse/keyboard input while creating a separate GL context (fullscreen) to draw the game on19:56
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nemobut, was hoping for maybe something a bit more straightforward19:56
nemoin our case SDL isn't doing the drawing, so it might be easier19:57
nemojust need a context set up, and with positioning matching where SDL thinks the window is for mouse control19:57
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nemobut. this looks easier19:57
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