Thursday, 2012-10-04

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Stskeepsgood morning E-P05:52
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Stskeepsmorn jukkaeklund, VDVsx06:09
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VDVsxStskeeps: morning06:10
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StskeepsE-P: do we have a git place for our modified test sets btw?06:12
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E-PStskeeps: no, only in OBS06:18
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situMorning everyone06:36
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rcg-workis there a package for usb_modeswitch in mer? or something equivalent?07:56
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Stskeepsrcg-work: as in, for usb modems?08:21
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JvD_usb host mode?08:44
mdfe_notmart: good morning08:45
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notmartmdfe_: yo08:47
mdfe_did you take a look to the patches of plasma-mobile of wonko?08:48
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mdfe_there was a bug report and mail for two days08:49
notmartuuh, wonko no08:49
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mdfe_add-path-for-index-method.patch and fix-ViewerPage-DirModel-handling.patch08:50
notmartaah, that one08:50
notmartyeah, i talked yesterday with him08:50
mdfe_cool :)08:51
mdfe_I'm asking because we should thing about to stop ci08:51
notmarthe agreed to get a git accound and submit them upstream08:51
notmarthmm, i maybe take them into the release..08:52
lbtmorning all08:52
mdfe_good morning08:52
notmartwell, don't think ci is giving problems for release..08:52
mdfe_notmart: ok08:52
notmarti copied some day ago the status of packages in testing and trunk08:52
notmartso right now devel can become whatever08:53
mdfe_just drop me a line in case something has to be changed08:53
lbtmdfe_: notmart: how's things08:53
notmartmdfe_: a thing i'll need from you shortly will be publishing an image from trunk somewhere...08:53
notmartin the current state there is just a problem08:54
mdfe_notmart: do you finished the package group stuff for the release?08:54
notmartlbt: fine ;)08:54
lbtIMG is running FYI08:54
notmartyeah, the group issue08:54
notmartright now i am still only able to build an image if i use the main adatation repo, not my copy08:54
mdfe_notmart: which image?08:56
notmartlbt: know how i can make a package group?08:56
notmartmdfe_: i made a new ks basyskom-plasma-active-release-mer-usb-live-x86.ks08:56
mdfe_this is a new ks file?08:57
notmartthat is almost it, it still doesn't use the x86 adaptation copy08:57
lbtnotmart: I thought about that - when I do a release I run a script that runs createrepo08:58
lbtand the group/pattern stuff is handled there08:58
mdfe_notmart: drop me a line when I should start building this image08:58
notmartcan i take a look at that script?08:58
lbtthe reason is that OBS's solution is to have an XML file per group/pattern and I like them all in one08:58
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notmartbut this is something for and the script runs on the same machine?09:03
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lbtnotmart: same LAN09:05
notmartif i understood correctly on obs groups are in that strange package called _pattern, that can't access neither with the web ui or the obs command line tool09:06
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lbtOBS handles them but I never found the docs, didn't understand it and got annoyed at having to edit so many files :)09:08
rcg-workStskeeps, yes09:08
Stskeepsrcg-work: there's a package in meego.com09:08
Stskeepssteal that09:08
rcg-workthe archos 3g stick first is in some mass storage mode and needs to be switched to 3g mode09:09
notmarteheh, i understand ;)09:09
rcg-workah great :)09:09
rcg-worksure :)09:09
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notmarthmm, actually the problem doesn't seem that there isn't a group09:20
rcg-workStskeeps, do you happen to recall the project where usb_modeswitch is in?09:20
rcg-worki assume you mean its on
notmartbut i have the same packages in both repo, my copy tells that a dependency failed over a file called /sbin/insmod.static09:20
rcg-workbeen looking already in various MeeGo:foo projects, however, most are simply empty09:20
rcg-workStskeeps, if you don't know it of the top of your head i'll simply keep searching ;)09:21
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Stskeepsrcg-work: not on top of my head09:31
Stskeepssearch for modeswitch09:31
stefan_schmidt_wrcg-work: sometimes a simple eject on the mass storage device does the job as well. Is not as automated as modeswitch though09:32
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rcg-workStskeeps, right. so i did.. but well, i'll keep on looking ;)09:37
Stskeepslbt: ok, so what's status of non broken prerelease?09:38
rcg-workbtw. is the search on obs broken in general?09:39
rcg-workso far i just used google with site:foo09:39
Stskeepsand usb-modeswitch-data09:41
rcg-workah thanks Stskeeps!09:42
rcg-workyeah :)09:42
Jake9xxStskeeps: Sage_ is 'mic create auto..' sufficient to make a bootable iso image if from the latest corresponding ks file ?09:42
rcg-workbeen looking all the time at
StskeepsJake9xx: what's your base .ks? i586-vm/i486-vm ?09:43
StskeepsJake9xx: just do mic cr livecd -A i686 then09:43
Stskeepsif i586-vm09:43
Jake9xxStskeeps: ok, need to build own image due to #50109:45
Jake9xxbug 501, that is ^^09:45
MerbotMer bug 501 in mesa "mesa llvmpipe doesn't do texture from pixmap in gallium-llvmpipe for EGL" [Major,New]
StskeepsJake9xx: right09:45
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Jake9xxStskeeps: btw, if you saw huge peak in cobs' activity it was my indexer pulling and building packages09:47
Stskeepsyour what?09:48
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Jake9xxI should be able to publis my opengrok on mer soon09:48
Jake9xxkind of09:48
rcg-workstefan_schmidt_w, thanks also for the hint. might give that a try as well09:48
StskeepsJake9xx: you could also just rsync mer's package-git/09:48
StskeepsJake9xx: and pick out tarballs09:48
Jake9xxdo the tarballs contain patches already?09:49
Stskeepsno but you can use -bp for that09:49
Stskeepsrpmbuild -bp that is09:49
stefan_schmidt_wrcg-work: eject is handy during the development. usb-modeswitch is a better solution when integrating it into images, etc09:49
Jake9xxStskeeps: ok, once I get the crossreferencer to work I'll resync 'em all09:50
lbtStskeeps: all went well and the updatestorm is started09:52
Stskeepslbt: OK09:52
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amjad_this board looks interesting, lets see if mer can be ported to it next year ,when they actually start shipping board :)10:55
lbtnone on /mnt type vboxsf (rw,nodev,relatime)11:00
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rcg-workStskeeps, jfyi, copied to cobs, updated to latest upstream, and build successfully usb-modeswitch* for Mer, will test later today when i am at home11:14
lbtphaeron: does mic support running depmod when image building?11:15
phaeronlbt: put that in kickstart %post ?11:15
rcg-workif everything work, should i push this to the official CE:MW:Shared?11:15
lbtphaeron: yes, it's there11:15
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phaeronso what's the issue11:16
lbtline 273
lbtwhen I booted the image it failed to modprobe vboxsf until I'd run depmod -a by hand11:16
phaeronlbt: you said image building that is a spec file ..11:17
lbtand it doesn't run %post?11:17
lbtbut yeah - I misread what you said :)11:18
* phaeron confused11:19
phaeronYou said : "does mic support running depmod when image building" so I said yes in %post , then you linked to a spec %post11:19
lbtyeah .. so mic should run the spec %post during install11:23
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phaeronlbt: it ignores some of the %posts11:45
phaerondepending on some chroot check11:45
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lbtphaeron: *nod*....    for v in /lib/modules/* ; do /sbin/depmod -a $(basename $v); done11:47
phaeronlbt: right uname would report wrong version to depmod if you don't sepcify version I guess11:49
lbtit does11:49
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vgrade_I want to compare that two iso's built by mic at different times on different systems but using the same kickstart and same input repos.  The file size is the same but the md5sum's are different.  I assume due to file creation times?11:54
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lbtloopmount and diff -r11:55
vgrade_lbt, ok11:55
vgrade_and that does not look at the dates11:56
lbtno, it'll just look at content11:57
vgrade_ok thanks11:57
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deztructorQt headers gives annoying note/warning during compilation "the #mangling of 'va_list' has changed in GCC 4.4", it can be disabled by -Wno-psabi but it seems better to fix it in the source12:25
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rymekHi, I'm running 3.5 kernel on my N9. After the Login prompt shows on the console and couple seconds pass, console becomes unresposive.  Couple seconds later there is a phone restart without any error logs. Any ideas what could be wrong?12:55
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dm8tbrrymek: sounds like a watch-dog?13:05
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dm8tbrrymek: kjokinie should know or Sage_13:06
kjokinierymek: watchdog... did you clone the kernel from github and use the master branch?13:08
rymekkjokinie: yes13:08
dm8tbrdidn't you guys move the git recently?13:09
rymekI see some patch from 03.10 in that tree13:09
kjokiniethere should be this fix for the watchdog minor numbers to keep the device alive:
rymekthanks will try that and come back to you13:10
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kjokiniedm8tbr: yes, bit-bucket is not used anymore... though that also has the watchdog fix13:10
dm8tbrk :)13:10
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rferrazzcan i build against mer on
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lbtrferrazz: no, just on for now13:14
lbtrferrazz: ... and welcome to Mer :)13:14
rferrazzlbt: thank you, how can i get an account for
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sonachrferrazz: Register one username on, and then tell lbt what your username is.13:34
lbthey sonach  ... ty (just chasing kittens!)13:34
rferrazzi'm already registered on meego.com13:35
lbtrferrazz: what username13:35
rferrazzlbt: my username is fiorentux13:35
lbtdone - have fun :)13:35
rferrazzthank you!13:36
sonachlbt: chase kittens ... hehe13:37
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lbtso how are things sonach?13:41
sonachlbt: is down?13:42
Stskeepsnow at
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sonachStskeeps: ok, thanks. But it seems that the public(at least me) doesn't know the change?  :P13:44
Stskeepsyeah we should probably mail about that13:44
Stskeepslbt, will you do the honors?13:44
lbtgood idea13:45
sonachit used to display in the '[INFO]' lines,13:45
sonachin the '[INFO]' lines of this IRC13:45
Stskeepsit's fixed there i think13:45
sonachStskeeps: it says "This channel is logged" and then I can only see 'mer-meeting' under this address,13:47
sonachmaybe display '' is better, for I can see mer-meeting, mer and nemomobile under this address,13:48
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dm8tbrsonach: the #mer-meeting logs under irclogs don't include the meeting minutes though13:49
sonachdm8tbr: yeap, i notice this. so maybe there are some confuses... anyway, it is not a big problem, I am clear about all this logs now :)13:52
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dm8tbrsonach: the problem is only that my server is down. otherwise there would be a transparent redirect to the new location13:53
dm8tbrI have a temporary site up, but didn't have the time to rebuild the redirects13:53
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rymekdm8tbr, kjokinie: thanks. Patch works!14:03
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dm8tbrrymek: cool! looking forward to your stuff then. :)14:04
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kjokinierymek: great :)14:10
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Stskeeps260 people here, not bad14:38
faeniljust read the new Jolla's press release...awesome! :D14:39
Stskeepsdiscussion welcome in #jollamobile14:40
faenilsure ;)14:42
lbtbug 8514:42
MerbotMer bug 85 in .Project-core "Investigate variables for deciding if a %post/RPM scriptlet happens during build, image install or on active device" [Task,New]
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gandhijee_hey Stskeeps hows things15:26
Stskeepsgandhijee_: good, busy as heck15:28
gandhijee_i bet15:28
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Stskeepsandre__: so your new job is with wikimedia too?15:30
andre__Stskeeps, heja, yes15:30
Stskeepsandre__: congrats :)15:30
andre__wasn't planned though, didn't know about Quim :)15:30
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andre__thanks :)15:30
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Stskeepsyeah.. frankly i'm just happy to see him have a sane job where he can do good15:30
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Stskeepsand still have us visa15:30
andre__yes, must have felt awkward for the last months15:31
andre__heh, he had quite some stuff to sort out.15:31
andre__something to (hopefully) believe in, not like the Qt position in Nokia...15:31
Stskeepsyeah.. for me i thought the mission wasn't complete, though i started much later than others..15:33
andre__oh yeah15:33
andre__and soon one more Bugzilla under my control, on the way to world domination :P15:33
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Stskeepsandre__: gnome down, maemo down, wikipedia next? ;p15:34
Stskeepsi see a pattern here!15:34
* Stskeeps runs15:34
andre__you forgot Mer in that list ;)15:35
faenilStskeeps trolol15:35
andre__(at least when it comes to me being a Bugzilla admin)15:35
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Stskeepshello tesla15:45
teslajust hanging out :)15:47
Stskeepstesla: sure :) welcome to #mer ! :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time15:47
Stskeepstesla: what brings you here, out of curiousity?15:48
teslaI am constantly following jolla news! wondering how much activity happening in IRC15:48
Stskeepssure, quite a fair bit15:49
Stskeeps#jollamobile and #nemomobile also exists15:49
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rcgalright, usb_modeswitch seems to work basically :)17:14
rcgnow i need to get usbserial into the kernel ;)17:15
Jake9xxrcg: that should be quite easy17:21
Jake9xxrcg: let me guess, then you plan vvdial or something?17:21
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rcgJake9xx: i'll see.. don't know yet, actually.. however wvdial seems to be a viable option17:22
Jake9xxrcg: I had some strange build issues with it when doing Pandaboard with Yocto but on Mer things might be easier.17:23
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rcgJake9xx: i see.. so far i would be happy to see /dev/ttyUSB0 ;)17:24
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Shaan7hi! I am using Plasma Active's images which are based on mer. Does mer have packages for playing proprietary formats such as mp3 or mpg?18:05
Shaan7more specifically, gstreamer plugins for those formats.18:06
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Stskeepsit doesn't due to royalty-free yadda yadda patents, etc18:16
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ka6soxStskeeps, mer-core has no concept of x11 or anything GUI right? thats all a different layer?18:56
Stskeepska6sox: mer-core can target multiple things, it includes x11, framebuffer, wayland..18:56
Stskeepswas intentionally designed like that18:56
Stskeepsthough it's a bit x11-heavy atm18:56
Stskeepsi use same core to do both x11 and wayland systems18:56
ka6soxI have a small system I would like to try this on.  the OE images I am getting are too big18:57
Stskeepspart of the power is that there's architecturally not a huge difference between for example our x86 virtualbox images, and our devices18:58
Stskeepssame software18:58
Stskeepsjust different hw adaptation19:00
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ka6soxthat is nice for development.19:01
lbtka6sox: need any guidance on getting started?19:08
ka6soxlbt, I will on I have to sort out the mess created by a release19:10
lbtOK ... make it early on monday - travelling in the afteroon and away tue/wed19:10
ka6soxbut I will come back here when I start then.19:10
ka6soxwhat TZ are you in/19:11
* Stskeeps looks at gmail inbox19:11
Stskeeps1212 emails19:11
lbtnp - look forward to it19:11
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rcghmm.. well.. it's named /dev/ttyHS4 but it accepted my sim card pin via at command :)19:11
lbtstupid monitoring systems19:11
Stskeepsrcg: connman + ofono should be able to handle a 3g modem19:12
rcgStskeeps: cool, will give it a try19:12
lbtka6sox: 583734 in lkml folder ... should really unsubscribe19:12
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rcgStskeeps: hmm running connmand results in instantly loosing wlan19:29
lbtyay vbox SDK works with shared folders from 'official' repos :)19:30
Stskeepsrcg: ah right19:30
lbtty Sage_ \o/19:30
Stskeepsrcg: plasma active/19:30
Stskeepsrcg: pester them on how to do it with networkmanager then19:30
rcgStskeeps: yep, plasma active19:30
rcgwill do then ;)19:30
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ka6soxlbt, I should unsub from debian-devel too...some 35k t6here19:36
lbtstupid virtualbox wiki is readonly even for registered users.... I wonder if that's Oracle community 'cos I had an old account there19:39
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lbtso Stskeeps - I've been thinking that kernel versioning shouldn't include the CI/B CNT values in the module versioning19:42
lbtbut then I thought I may be wrong19:43
lbtit's particularly problematic when the /lib/modules/kernel* is different19:43
lbtand it's a pita when I branch or copy packages19:43
lbtSage_ too ^^19:44
Stskeepslbt: i disagree19:44
lbtOTOH when everything is neat and tidy it works19:44
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lbtdo you disagree with me being right or me being wrong?19:44
Stskeepsi disagree that kernel versioning shouldn't include CI/B CNT values in module versioning19:44
StskeepsCI it definately needs to include19:45
Stskeepsas ABI can change massively19:45
lbtwell - I wondered about having 3.0.0.module_ver19:45
lbtso module_ver could change whilst branching of kernel allowed co-existance of modules19:46
Sage_lbt: if you branch you have different build and you should rebuild also all modules19:46
lbtright - for us in the open that's easy19:46
lbta vendor may have more issues19:46
lbteg they may have a subcon making modules19:46
Stskeepslbt: i can only say that after dealing with hardware adaptation for this long, you only really want to accept modules that are built against the exact kernel you're using19:47
Stskeepsso that's my reasoning19:47
Sage_lbt: well then that vendor can drop those from the packaging. It is only a _template_ after all. But for us in the open we shouldn't stop using that19:47
Stskeepsthere can be miles of ABI difference within a CI_CNT and no, a kernel developer or config modifier won't care about a module_ver to adjust19:47
lbtOK - I wanted to raise it as I can clearly see the value of it for images - but it felt like it could be problematic in other areas19:48
Stskeepsas well as .B will matter with toolchain differences19:48
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lbtthere can also be no difference in ABI for a huge config change19:48
lbteg a CI that enables a module build19:48
Stskeepsso, if there's a problem about CI_CNT.B_CNT and modules getting installed into the right paths, it should be fixed on module packaging side19:48
lbtso ... just saying that it works both ways19:48
lbtright - but if the modules are not in the same OBS...19:49
Stskeepsit still needs to build against kernel development headers19:49
lbtso ... mainly raising it for a quick discussion  ... not pushing it19:49
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Stskeepswhy did we disable config_modversions, btw?19:49
lbtyes - but the old -devel could trivially be compatible19:49
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lbtdunno - I think I just (re-)enabled it19:50
Sage_Stskeeps: don't ask me I didn't care atm. as you said also just accept it ;)19:50
Stskeepsi meant on the packaging side, not kernel side, but ok :P19:51
Stskeepslbt: anyhow, it should be possible to figure out the right version /path to install a module into19:51
Sage_Stskeeps: it is19:51
Stskeepslbt: on a sidenote, when did i sign up for dcp spamming me daily?19:51
lbtStskeeps: comes with the territory in case I get run over19:52
lbtSage_: only if modules are built *after* kernel19:52
lbt(I think)19:52
lbtie my asian subcon makes some modules for me ... takes em a week to turnaround a new build19:52
lbtI enable a new USB module and rebuild the kernel19:53
lbtcan I install the old modules package?19:53
lbtthat's what crossed my mind... that's all19:53
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lbtStskeeps: nb the disable config_modversions ... you're happy we now have MODVERSIONS=y  ?19:54
Stskeepslbt: you're free to enable that as an option but i don't see any reason for us to increase QA risk when things may randomly break19:54
Sage_lbt: if it takes week them to recompile there is job for you to go and show them how it is done ;)19:54
lbtSage_: :P19:54
Stskeepslbt: but that option should be default off19:55
Stskeepslbt: ie, the "let's ignore ci_cnt and b_cnt"19:55
lbtit still requires --force on modprobe19:55
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Stskeepsit should only require --force if you have built your modules against a kernel you're not actually running19:56
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lbtwell, that was my point.19:57
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* lbt deletes the discussion bug he was going to post19:58
Stskeepslong story short: if you want an option in template packaging that disables CI_CNT.B_CNT from paths and in the kernel versioning, you can do that, but it has to be default off19:59
Stskeepsand ideally hidden in a basement next to a sign saying 'beware of the leopard'19:59
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lbt*nod* ... I really just wanted this discussion in case it was something we thought may be worth exploring - I'm happy with the result :)20:00
Stskeepsalso, there should really be a leopard20:01
* lbt has a kitten that has a tiger nose ... is that close enough?20:02
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ka6soxlbt, I think he wants to warn us about the Grue too...20:16
Stskeepslo Kelteseth20:16
KeltesethI'm just testing a IRC APP for my Android phone :)20:17
ka6soxKelteseth, which one?20:17
Kelteseththe other Androidirc did not worked20:18
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lbtKelteseth: OSS?  got a package20:18
KeltesethIm not sure what you want to tell me ;)20:20
lbtsorry, I'm asking if it's opensource and if it is do you have a link to a package20:20
KeltesethI have an Android phone... Give me a sec and i will search for it ;)20:21
Keltesethyes it open source yaaic.org20:23
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Stskeepsarr.. so good: inbox zero on both company and private mail20:32
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felipecStskeeps: and your to-do folder is huge now? that usually happens to me =/20:36
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Stskeepsfelipec: not extremely, for once20:38
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Stskeepsi don't mind a lot of incoming tasks, as long as i can keep my mind free of them :P20:39
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mikhasah felipec o/20:53
felipecmikhas: hi there :)20:55
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rcgSage_: i successfully built usb-modeswitch and wvdial including dependencies, should i push some/all of these to some official mer repo? like CE:MW:Shared?21:02
rcgbackground is that i am trying to get a umts usb stick to work (under plasma active)21:03
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Sage_rcg: you should contribute to the plasmaactive repositories and talk to their channel about those. Mainly I'm saying this as Mer and Nemo are officially using ofono as the cellular backend and accepting those would be duplicated work.21:09
phaeronSage_: usb-modeswitch might actually be needed21:11
Sage_phaeron: true21:12
phaeronfor PA they probably use modem-manager not wvdial , as it integrates with network-manager21:12
rcgphaeron: they indeed use modem-manager and network-manager21:13
rcgi just compiled wvdial for testing purposes21:13
rcgbut what about usb-modeswitch?21:13
rcgi could as well just push this21:14
phaeronimho it would be useful at least in x86-adaptation21:14
rcgwell, i can just file two SRs for usb-modeswitch and its -data package, just in case.. you can still reject it if you do not need it21:15
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Sage_sure, can't say anything about accepting yet though.21:16
rcgi see, it's just that i am on it right now, so its not much additional work on my side21:17
rcgon the other hand i don't want to spam you with SRs ;)21:17
phaeronrcg: one request for the two packages osc creq --help21:17
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rcgah, damn.. was too quick. sorry phaeron, already filed these via the web frontend21:19
Sage_personally I would say that usb-modeswitch might go to mer core actually not to nemo but needs to be evaluated. Nobody has tested that yet thus it haven't been discussed21:19
rcgnext time i'll try to do it in one21:19
Sage_rcg: well both were declined by automatic review ;)21:20
Sage_so you have a change to use creq ;)21:20
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rcgah right, got a second try then ;)21:20
rcgyep, will do :)21:21
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rcgbtw. Sage_ it says the changelog is not well formed.. could you just give me a quick hint what's wrong here.. i am comparing it to but somehow don't happen to see the problem21:22
rcgah.. am missing the '-' between email and version21:23
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Sage_rcg: also drop %clean from packages21:24
Sage_rcg: and if you are using udevadm in post and postun you need to require the binary with Requires(post): and Requires(postun):21:25
Sage_to make sure it is available when it is called21:25
rcgi see, thanks :)21:25
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Sage_rcg: echo nameserver > /etc/resolv.conf21:26
Sage_route add default gw
Sage_rcg: +%define source_nameusb-modeswitch-data21:26
Sage_rcg: no need for that either you can juse just %{name} as it is same21:26
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Sage_rcg: also check if you could build it with libusb1 instead of libusb21:28
Sage_also run spectacle for the usb-modeswitch package as it has .yaml file21:29
rcgroger that, will do21:29
Sage_in usb-modeswitch there is duplicated install %make_install does almost everything and those manual install/cp/mkdir stuff could probably all be removed21:31
Sage_or most of them at least21:31
Sage_\o/ there is "jim" folder inside usb-modeswitch package (cc: Stskeeps, lbt, w00t) ;)21:32
w00toh god21:32
rcguhm, well, what does that mean?21:33
Sage_inside joke ;)21:33
rcgi just got those packages from build.meego.com21:33
rcgi see21:33
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rcgSage_: alright, tried to fix everything you mentioned22:00
rcgbut compiling against libusb1 didn't work out of the box so i reverted back to libusb22:01
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deztructorhyvä yöta :)22:07
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