Wednesday, 2012-10-03

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Stskeepsgood morning05:13
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VDVsxmorning05:17
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Stskeepsmorn e8johan, the disasters have ceased to happen by now?05:38
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Stskeepshttp://realnorth.net/demos/mer/06:20
e8johanstskeeps: still waiting for the evaluation and bill for the roof, but yes, things seems to hold together for now - thanks for asking :-)06:20
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timophStskeeps: ah. my comedy act included06:24
timoph:/06:24
timophbut the site looks nice06:25
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niqthi06:30
Stskeepsmorn niqt06:30
niqtwhen will be on-line the new website06:30
Stskeepshehe06:30
Stskeepshigh expectations :)06:30
niqtI have seen on twitter (the preview)06:31
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timophanyone looked at tizen's platform sdk?06:37
timoph"The platform SDK is only available on the Ubuntu® 32-bit environment."06:37
Stskeepsyeah..06:38
timophwas going to check how they are doing things but then hit that06:39
niqti installed it and did a hello world and nothing else. I'm not a fan Tizen06:39
Stskeepstimoph: also, read the license..06:40
timophhmmh. can't seem to find the license online and the sdk manager reguires :)06:43
timophjava06:43
* timoph found it06:44
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StskeepsSage_: is there a more up to date  xorg-x11-utils-xinput ?06:51
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niqtis alpha qt5 in mer?06:55
Stskeepsyes06:55
Stskeepsand beta1 soon06:55
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niqtok, good, who do it?06:56
Stskeepsme and situ, and based on work by bostik06:56
niqtok06:56
Sage_Stskeeps: I don't have one at least06:56
StskeepsSage_: ok, will make one myself06:58
* Sage_ is pondering if we should push tools like this to Mer:Tools or something07:00
Stskeepsprobably07:00
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timophStskeeps: pretty evil license. decided to leave the thing be07:13
StskeepsSage_: what xorg version are you trying to upgrade to?07:15
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Sage_1.13.007:17
Sage_not sure if there is newer already07:17
Sage_linaro was using 1.12.99. something so the prerelease already07:17
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Sage_\o/ new xorg booted on n950 \o/07:19
Stskeepswoo07:20
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faenilmorning07:30
cybettemorning faenil07:31
faenilhey :)07:31
* cybette still needs coffee07:32
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StskeepsSage_: i'm going for libxi downgrade, disable xinput2 in qtbase and getting this stuff to another prerelease, then out the door07:37
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* dm8tbr reads a presentation and giggles to himself07:42
Stskeepsmm?07:43
dm8tbrmoney quote "An amazing number of corporate open source efforts are announced /without/ /source/ /code/!"07:43
Stskeepsdm8tbr: heh07:43
Stskeepsdm8tbr: what presentation is that, out of curiousity?07:43
dm8tbrhttp://www.slideshare.net/bcantrill/corporate-open-source-antipatterns - pages 9 and following07:43
Stskeepsthanks07:43
Sage_Stskeeps: ok07:43
dm8tbrthis presentation is a keeper07:44
Stskeepsdm8tbr: yeah, think i'll distribute it around a bit too07:44
* dm8tbr will put it on G+07:45
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dm8tbroh man, this just keeps giving07:48
Stskeepsmm?07:48
dm8tbr'ersatz democracy'07:48
* timoph reads07:48
Stskeepsdm8tbr: yeah, i've seen that one before..07:49
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Stskeepsmorn slaine07:54
slaineMorning Stskeeps07:55
* Stskeeps ponders idly how on earth a ladybug made it to 9th floor07:56
slainethey have wings07:56
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Jake9xxStskeeps: eleavator?08:00
Stskeepshmm, maybe08:00
Jake9xxStskeeps: I cannot type today, elevator08:00
Stskeepsah08:00
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slaineLift as we say08:03
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timophheh. first 8 tweets in my twitter feed are links to the antipattern slides :)08:20
cybette:)08:21
lbtmorning all08:28
Stskeepsmorn lbt08:28
* lbt takes deep breath and looks at vbox again08:29
faenillbt, morn :)08:30
lbto/08:30
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lbt*sigh* ... nasm doesn't build vbox - it wants yasm09:40
Stskeepshehe09:40
lbtit's a completely homegrown build using kBuild instead of make09:40
Stskeepsyup09:41
lbthmmm ...09:41
lbtoh... it seems to include yasm src...09:42
* lbt has an 8 core 8Gb private build VM on a spare Meego phost ... at least it's quite speedy :)09:43
lbtno.. it includes a yasm binary.... which suse stripped out09:45
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lbtbooyah!! /tmp/vbox.0/vboxsf.mod.o10:36
Stskeepswoo10:36
Stskeepsbut does it link?10:36
* Stskeeps runs10:36
* lbt doesn't care and just watches it resting quietly...10:38
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SouL_Hi11:29
Stskeepshello SouL_ :) welcome to #mer :)11:30
SouL_I'm a Debian + KDE user and I own an Android Tablet. I don't know if any of you can answer/help me but...11:31
SouL_Is possible to install Mer on it? I don't Like google, really but I can't find a solution11:32
SouL_I don't want to chroot11:32
StskeepsSouL_: long story short you need to get a hardware adaptation going and it's not easy11:32
SouL_I want a Full install of Mer or whatever if it is GNU/Linux11:32
SouL_Oh..11:32
lbtgah ....   vboxsf: version magic '3.0.0-5.1-adaptation-pc SMP preempt mod_unload ATOM ' should be '3.0.0-3.1-adaptation-pc SMP preempt mod_unload ATOM11:32
SouL_So it's better sell it If I'm not an engineer or something?11:32
StskeepsSouL_: if you need something you can install real linux on, archos g9 are pretty good11:33
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SouL_It's android, and i don't like android.11:38
SouL_Yes, it's Open Source and all that you want but, it comes from google and I don't like how they act11:38
faenilSouL_, but it's easier to hack, that's what Stskeeps meant11:38
SouL_I'll wait for vivaldi or something..11:38
SouL_:(11:39
SouL_faenil: I'm not a programmer11:39
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faenilSouL_, don't need to be one, there are tutorials on how to flash a PlasmaActive (for example) on it11:40
faenilthough I don't remember, better ask Stskeeps if you want to know more about that ;)11:40
faenilI had a G9 myself11:41
SouL_Maybe I don't write good11:41
SouL_Hang on a sec please11:41
SouL_I have this: http://www.focalprice.com/CE0031W/HYUNDAI_A7_7_Capacitive_Android_40_Tablet_with_3G_WiFi_White.html11:41
faenilI can't help with that :)11:41
SouL_And I want to delete Android and install Debian, Mer...11:42
SouL_My question is11:42
SouL_Is that possible or not?11:42
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faenilnot straight away11:42
SouL_For a user11:42
faenilnope11:42
faenil(as far as I know)11:42
SouL_I thought that you could install the OS like changing the rom or like the computers11:43
faenilMer has to support it for that to be possible11:44
faeniland the tablet has to support installation of other OSes than Android11:44
faenilin your case, Mer doesn't support that chipset (afaik), and I think Hyundai doesn't provide anything to change OSes either11:45
SouL_So.. I'm an innocent dreamer..11:45
faenil:)11:45
SouL_Thanks for your help11:45
lbtSouL_: the problem is that the drivers for the graphics on your tablet are closed and cannot be used. You may be able to run Mer on your device but it will have no (or poor) screen.11:45
faenilwow, so yet worse11:45
SouL_Ohh11:46
lbtalmost all the problems we have are caused by closed graphics11:46
SouL_Well, is a step!11:46
faenillbt, can't libhybris help on that side?11:46
lbtnot yet11:46
faenilok, hopefully will :)11:47
SouL_Do you know tablets that can run Mer or any other GNU/Linux distributions?11:47
faenilSouL_, guess what, Archos G9 :P11:47
kontioSouL_, from the FAQs: Mer is intended to be used directly by system integrators and hardware developers and only indirectly by normal end-users.11:47
SouL_I want to know it for the next time I buy a Tablet11:47
faenilthere is also ExoPC, and don't know what else11:47
lbtAFAIK the Vivaldi tablet is close and that runs Mer ... and buying it supports the OSS ecosystem11:47
FlameReaperfaenil: that, and as far as I don't like to acknowledge - Acer Iconia W5XX series11:47
faenilyeah Vivaldi too11:48
faenilFlameReaper, oh yeah the Windows series you mean11:48
FlameReaperYes11:48
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faenilstill using HARET? :D11:48
faeniljk11:48
FlameReaperPlasma Netbook UX runs nicely on it11:49
faenilnice11:49
faenilpity they cost a lot11:49
SouL_I will try to sell my android tablet to buy Vivaldi so11:49
SouL_Thanks for all, really11:49
rcgg'day11:49
SouL_Thanks for your work too11:49
faenilrcg, hey :)11:49
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Stskeepslbt: vivaldi got kinda postponed, see aseigo's blog..11:51
* jonwil wonders if the recent talk by Nvidia about Tegra will help Mer...11:51
Stskeepsjonwil: saw libhybris advances?11:51
jonwilno11:51
Stskeepshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3Jz-lAGK411:52
jonwilnice11:53
Stskeepsfonts worked on qt5 alpha111:53
rcghey faenil :)11:56
rcghow are your studies going?11:56
faenilrcg, eh, going :D11:56
rcgright right, am not going to ask more ;)11:57
rcgbtw. Stskeeps, just in case it was too late yesterday: http://ruedigergad.com/2012/10/03/nemo-apps-on-plasma-active-improved-look-and-feel/11:57
faenilrcg, attending lessons is always boring...unless you have a super cool prof11:57
Stskeepsrcg: screenshots?11:57
rcgthe patches are pretty "brute-force" but i really like the result11:57
faenilrcg, read that article :)11:57
rcgStskeeps: ah, right.. you got me.. really need to make some :)11:57
rcgfaenil: thanks :)11:58
faenilrcg, didn't say it was nice...lol11:58
faeniljk ;)11:58
rcgah, i read "nice" ;)11:58
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rcgwell am kinda tired today11:58
faenil:)11:58
rcgStskeeps: will make some screenshots for sure11:59
FlameReaperon an unrelated note, flash 10 was well-done11:59
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faenillesson starting soon, bbl people ;)12:03
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Sfiet_Konstantin++ fabo12:05
Sfiet_Konstantinsorry fabo12:05
Sfiet_Konstantinit was for faenil that left12:05
Stskeepsfabo deserves a lot of ++ though12:05
Stskeeps:P12:05
fabo:)12:06
* lbt doesn't understand why modprobe --force vboxsf fails12:07
Stskeepsare you building agaisnt the right kernel as the ones you're using?12:07
lbtyeah - I had to branch CE:adaptation as the -devel package depends on hardlink which we don't have12:08
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lbthmm kernel-headers-2.6.37-1.3.i48612:15
Stskeepsignore that12:15
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lbtyeah - I make modules with KERN_DIR=/usr/src/kernels/3.0.0-5.1-adaptation-pc make12:15
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Stskeepslbt: prerelease please12:45
lbtaye12:46
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lbtrunning12:49
Stskeepsthanks12:49
lbtmmm new rpm 4.10.1 released12:50
Stskeepsnot in this release12:51
Stskeeps:P12:51
Stskeepsbut yeah, it's on my list12:51
lbt*g*12:51
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lbtnice .. can kinda-loopback mount a .vdi file using qemu-nbd12:56
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lbtok modules loaded - I'll guess we have CONFIG force_modules unset13:16
lbtwhich is probably a bad thing if we're going to include the OBS CI_CNT into the kernel version magic13:17
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Stskeepslbt: status on prerelease?16:31
lbtlooks like it finished just fine16:34
Stskeepsok16:34
Stskeepscobs import?16:34
Stskeeps(and thank you)16:34
lbtnot yet - been buried in vbox16:34
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lbtwhich is looking positive btw - kernel modules installed now and mount utility built16:35
Stskeepsgood16:35
lbtjust trying to figure out the spec to package them now16:35
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Stskeepsi wouldn't mind the vbox xorg driver either, but that's for bonus points16:37
Stskeeps:P16:37
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lbtok16:40
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lbtvboxvideo_drm module is there already - I removed the Xorg depends and just do a minimal make at the moment16:42
lbt /usr/bin/kmk -j8 VBOX_GCC_WERR= KBUILD_VERBOSE=2 VBOX_WITH_REGISTRATION_REQUEST= VBOX_WITH_UPDATE_REQUEST= TOOL_YASM_AS=nasm VBOX_PATH_PACKAGE_DOCS=/usr/share/doc/packages/virtualbox VBOX_ONLY_ADDITIONS=1 /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/VirtualBox-4.1.18/out/linux.x86/release/bin/additions/{mount.vboxsf,VBoxControl,VBoxService} vboxsf-mod16:42
Stskeepsok, good16:43
lbtnb...  yasm is shipped as a binary in the source - which is then removed by suse packaging - should I add the binary yasm as a Source1 or would you like yasm package16:43
lbtif it's just for me I'll include the bin - if it's useful I'll copypac and clean up suse's pkg16:44
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* Sage_ is waiting for prerelease to cobs17:29
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lbtSage_: it's running18:04
Stskeepslbt: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120920.0.3/builds/armv7hl/packages/armv7hl/ does not look good18:05
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hazchemixhi guys. anyone can point me to latest mer vmdk image for virtualbox?18:13
hazchemixi´ve tried http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.9/mer-x86-generic-image-v0.9.vmdk.zip but seems to be broken18:14
hazchemixis there any mirror or something. or did the url changed18:14
Stskeepshttp://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/ if you mean nemo18:14
Stskeepsand 0.9 is old odl mer :)18:14
Sage_hazchemix: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#i586_Virtual_Machine is the guide18:14
hazchemixcool thx. i will take a look18:15
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Superpelican#action Superpelican wants infinite time, so he can contribute to Mer18:50
Stskeepsclones also accepted18:55
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lbtStskeeps: should there be 114 mosh-servers running?19:20
lbtStskeeps: and have you cleaned up any space on monster?19:23
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lbtanyhow - it seems it had run out of space on monster despite now having 42Gb free19:30
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Stskeepslbt: no, i don't follow disk space, i thought it was in the procedure19:41
lbtit was - I checked and it was OK19:41
lbtbut the log has rsync: write failed on "/home/prjfetcher-mertools/release-tools/releases/0.20120920.0.3/builds/armv7hl/packages/armv7hl/19:42
Stskeepsinteresting19:42
Stskeepsok, so prjfetcher-mertools needs to be monitored for space too19:42
Stskeepslbt: i'll take care of mosh myself19:42
lbtI check them all19:42
Stskeepsok19:43
lbtI really don't understand how it failed...19:43
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lbtand the screen/shell setup is somehow screwy when in your account so I can't see end-of-lines19:44
lbtusually not a problem as I do changelog in another screen19:44
Stskeepsok19:44
lbt(prjfetcher account)19:44
Stskeepswe should probably move releases off monster anyhow19:44
lbtyou read my mind19:45
lbtif it was totally broken it would have higher prio :/19:45
Stskeepswell, what does it really need for it to move off there, we need to move gerrit sync targets and the releases.* webspace..19:46
Stskeepsand then we (also) need to move the place we generate releases and clean that up19:46
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lbtI'll erase the release and do 0.20120920.0.419:52
Stskeepsok19:52
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