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KaziKluBey_N900 | Where have all the merlogs gone...? | 04:40 |
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Stskeeps | merproject.org/meetings | 04:50 |
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KaziKluBey_N900 | ok,and the chatlogs? | 04:54 |
Stskeeps | /logs | 04:55 |
KaziKluBey_N900 | Thanks! :) | 04:56 |
KaziKluBey_N900 | I think you should add the new adress in the channel header. | 05:01 |
Stskeeps | i agree | 05:03 |
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iekku | morning | 05:04 |
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rcg1 | morning | 07:15 |
Stskeeps | pq: success on JB too, btw, galaxy nexus | 07:29 |
pq | Stskeeps, ooh, grats! | 07:30 |
pq | Stskeeps, now that my android work is done for the moment, looks like I got some more Wayland upstream work, so hybris just gets postponed | 07:32 |
Stskeeps | sure, no worries | 07:32 |
Stskeeps | just letting you know :) | 07:32 |
pq | yes, I appreciate keeping me informed, thanks :-) | 07:32 |
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tanuk | Is there a difference between the "Mer.MDS" and "Mer:MDS" projects in OBS? | 08:03 |
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Stskeeps | nop | 08:03 |
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Stskeeps | . however makes osc make go crazy | 08:03 |
Stskeeps | :P | 08:03 |
tanuk | Ok, thanks. | 08:04 |
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Sage_ | http://review.merproject.org/#patch,sidebyside,886,1,notify-upower-dbus-send-path.patch | 08:24 |
Sage_ | we really really need to do the /usr move soon or this will get out of hand with all these patches | 08:25 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:31 |
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Sage_ | http://piratepad.net/5b4AxHs0Tc :) | 08:43 |
Stskeeps | looks manage-able | 08:44 |
Sage_ | and most of those are just stuff in .spec movint them from /usr/lib to /lib | 08:48 |
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Sage_ | anyway that is good place to start with I've done it when ever I touched such package (except systemd) | 08:48 |
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Superpelican | Tested openSUSE 12.2 KDE this morning: blown away! | 14:43 |
Superpelican | It's awesome | 14:43 |
Superpelican | I'm switching to openSUSE from Ubuntu soon | 14:43 |
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Superpelican | It all started with the Mer Project, it gave me the idea to give an RPM-based distro with a Qt-based GUI another try | 14:44 |
situ | Superpelican: Have you tried Chakra Linux ? | 14:45 |
Superpelican | No | 14:45 |
situ | Try it. | 14:45 |
Superpelican | I have heard of it | 14:45 |
Superpelican | And consired it once | 14:45 |
Superpelican | Put the limited amount of software available put me off | 14:45 |
Superpelican | I think openSUSE will suit me better | 14:46 |
situ | Allright.. | 14:46 |
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Superpelican | BTW I'm creating my own openSUSE based distro using Suse Studio | 14:46 |
Superpelican | It's going to be a distro specially for Mer Project devs! ;-) | 14:47 |
Superpelican | ;) | 14:47 |
situ | Cool.. | 14:47 |
Superpelican | I will include the Mer SDK | 14:47 |
Superpelican | And lot's of other dev tools | 14:47 |
Superpelican | Like Qt Creator, Eric5 python and ruby ide | 14:47 |
Superpelican | For developing apps for Mer | 14:48 |
Jake9xx | Superpelican: how are you planning to integrate QtC to Mer chroot? | 14:48 |
Superpelican | I'm not integrating it in Mer SDK | 14:48 |
Superpelican | Just in openSUSE native | 14:49 |
Superpelican | not chroot | 14:49 |
Superpelican | You don't have to | 14:49 |
Jake9xx | Superpelican: well, be that it may, but if you're trying to easen out the app building on Mer you need to build against the chroot | 14:49 |
Superpelican | Why may I ask? | 14:49 |
Jake9xx | Superpelican: have you build a Mer app ever? | 14:50 |
Superpelican | nope | 14:50 |
Jake9xx | Superpelican: I suggest you to try. | 14:50 |
Superpelican | I thought you could just code the app with Qt Creator and compile and build it within Mer SDK | 14:50 |
Superpelican | with Mer SDK tools | 14:50 |
Jake9xx | yes, basically. But the development cycle follow the harmattan scheme | 14:51 |
Superpelican | Jake9xx: Yes, I will create a Mer app sometime | 14:51 |
Superpelican | That's one of the reasons I'm going to buy the Jolla Phone | 14:51 |
Superpelican | Because it's Python and Qt friendly | 14:51 |
Superpelican | So I can easily develop apps for it | 14:52 |
Jake9xx | is it ? | 14:52 |
Superpelican | I currently own an Android | 14:52 |
Superpelican | But IMHO Java is awful | 14:52 |
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Jake9xx | you can do Qt on android currently as we speak | 14:52 |
Jake9xx | build & depoloy, directly from QtC | 14:52 |
Superpelican | But first I'm going to finish my current project: build Python 3 for Mer | 14:53 |
Superpelican | My openSUSE-based distro will also contain Virtualbox BTW | 14:53 |
Superpelican | For running Nemo Mobile | 14:54 |
Jake9xx | Superpelican: sounds fun man, go for it | 14:54 |
Superpelican | Jake9xx: Thx! ;) | 14:55 |
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Stskeeps | pq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3Jz-lAGK4&feature=youtu.be | 15:38 |
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Stskeeps | vgrade2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3Jz-lAGK4&feature=youtu.be | 15:43 |
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dm8tbr | Stskeeps: cool! | 15:51 |
dm8tbr | Stskeeps: are you sure it's reversal and not 180deg rotation? Because I've seen that in several devices | 15:56 |
Stskeeps | dm8tbr: a bit of both i think | 15:56 |
Stskeeps | :P | 15:56 |
dm8tbr | :) | 15:56 |
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Stskeeps | Bostik: some geek porn for you too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3Jz-lAGK4&feature=youtu.be | 15:59 |
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Jake9xx | Stskeeps: is that with xcb ? | 16:19 |
Stskeeps | eglfs | 16:26 |
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Stskeeps | on android gpu drivers | 16:27 |
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Bostik | cute | 16:30 |
Bostik | nice and smooth | 16:30 |
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Bostik | inverted movement axis - wayland? | 16:32 |
Stskeeps | no, not entirely there yet | 16:32 |
Stskeeps | i think it's just getting bad touch data | 16:32 |
Stskeeps | or the display is upside down | 16:32 |
Stskeeps | one of those | 16:32 |
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Bostik | right | 16:33 |
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Stskeeps | though pq showed code that the way forward i wanted to go with wayland+android gpu drivers is plausible and has been done for non-libhybris | 16:34 |
pq | Stskeeps, wow :-) | 16:35 |
Stskeeps | font corruption is new, it didn't do that on my old demo | 16:36 |
dm8tbr | 5616? *duck* *run* | 16:39 |
Stskeeps | dm8tbr: yeah, that came into my mind too | 16:39 |
dm8tbr | while it's likely not it, still it could very well be something 'specific' making ass-umptions in the Qt code... | 16:40 |
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Venemo_N9 | hey | 16:41 |
Stskeeps | lo Venemo_N9 | 16:41 |
cybette | venemo_n9: hi! | 16:43 |
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Venemo_N9 | hi cybette :) | 16:44 |
Venemo_N9 | haven't seen you on this channel! | 16:44 |
cybette | venemo_N9: i'm mostly lurking here | 16:45 |
Venemo_N9 | mhm | 16:46 |
cybette | I'm content to be amazed by all the cool stuff you guys talk about :) | 16:47 |
w00t | cybette: so you're a part of the furniture? :-) | 16:47 |
Stskeeps | bunny in the corner? | 16:48 |
Stskeeps | :P | 16:48 |
dm8tbr | she's the jolla bunny after all :) | 16:48 |
cybette | :D | 16:48 |
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cybette | w00t: I hop around a bit, I'm furniture that can't sit still | 16:49 |
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cybette | off to hunt for dinner. have fun guys! | 16:51 |
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amjad_ | so HP released webOS 1.0, but still they dont have Qt5 support? | 17:04 |
Stskeeps | qt5 isn't final yet | 17:05 |
Stskeeps | which scares off most people wanting to release a stable product | 17:05 |
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Venemo_N9 | what's the state of Mer on tegra? | 17:18 |
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Stskeeps | .. okay, but it depends from device to device | 17:19 |
Venemo_N9 | would it eg. run on an asus slider? | 17:22 |
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Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: unsure | 17:49 |
Venemo_N9 | mhm | 17:49 |
Venemo_N9 | I still haven't found a good tablet which mer works on... :( | 17:50 |
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dm8tbr | Venemo_N9: archos gen9? :) | 17:51 |
dm8tbr | should be also reasonably cheap by now | 17:52 |
dm8tbr | btw: Archos updated their kernel source to a slightly newer one | 17:53 |
dm8tbr | 3.0.21 - same git as before | 17:53 |
Venemo_N9 | dm8tbr, have they finally fixed it? | 17:55 |
dm8tbr | fixed what? | 17:56 |
Venemo_N9 | maybe our definion of "works" is not the same | 17:57 |
Venemo_N9 | in june it didn't even have hw graphics acceleration | 17:57 |
dm8tbr | want a product? buy a vivaldi. *duck* *run* | 17:58 |
dm8tbr | there is an image with SGX around | 17:58 |
Venemo_N9 | looool :D | 17:58 |
Stskeeps | hopefully we can use the android tablets much easier in coming future | 17:59 |
Venemo_N9 | dm8tbr, last time I checked, that image had other things broken | 17:59 |
Venemo_N9 | libhybris? :( | 17:59 |
Venemo_N9 | :) | 17:59 |
dm8tbr | Venemo_N9: you nuts? | 17:59 |
Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: it certainly makes you appreciate how much work goes into a full blown x11/non-android linux | 17:59 |
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dm8tbr | TI has X11 SGX drivers | 18:00 |
Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, that :( was going to be a :) | 18:00 |
Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3Jz-lAGK4&feature=youtu.be btw | 18:00 |
Venemo_N9 | dm8tbr, according to faenil IIRC on that image suspend/resume is broken | 18:01 |
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Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: that was actually not adaptation fault | 18:01 |
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Venemo_N9 | dm8tbr, and to your question: yes i'm nuts :) | 18:01 |
Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: turned out to be a /sbin vs /usr/sbin issue | 18:02 |
Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, I know | 18:02 |
Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, the question is, does it work okay now? | 18:02 |
dm8tbr | Venemo_N9: let me put it this way, we're lucky that there was actually substantial funding involved with that HW adaptation. But the community should also do something. just expecting things won't make them happen. | 18:03 |
Venemo_N9 | dm8tbr, and I'm doing something | 18:03 |
dm8tbr | good | 18:03 |
Venemo_N9 | dm8tbr, I'm working on the new nemomobile home screen | 18:04 |
* dm8tbr should try a recent image on his old unit | 18:04 | |
dm8tbr | Venemo_N9: I know | 18:04 |
Venemo_N9 | dm8tbr, but I'm unfortunately not a hw guy. :( | 18:04 |
Venemo_N9 | my affinity towards hardware is limited to breaking things and asking stupid questions | 18:05 |
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Stskeeps | it was certainly nicer when everything was non-3d.. | 18:06 |
Stskeeps | in terms of porting | 18:06 |
Stskeeps | after that, things got.. difficult | 18:06 |
Venemo_N9 | they still aren't 3d | 18:06 |
Stskeeps | well, uses 3d acceleration, rather | 18:07 |
Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, btw, what tablet is that on the video? | 18:07 |
Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: hp touchpad | 18:07 |
Venemo_N9 | awesome | 18:08 |
Venemo_N9 | does libhybris involve running an android kernel? | 18:09 |
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Stskeeps | yes | 18:10 |
dm8tbr | the differences are getting smaller IIRC? | 18:11 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 18:11 |
Stskeeps | which is ok, considering that the hw adaptation matches with it | 18:11 |
dm8tbr | and it always will be a soc-vendor/hw-vendor frankenkernel anyway... | 18:11 |
Stskeeps | my upcoming experiments uses wakelocks as well instead of nokia style powermanagement | 18:11 |
Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, what's the difference? | 18:11 |
Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: just a different method of power management | 18:12 |
Venemo_N9 | I get that, but I'm unsure about the differences | 18:12 |
Stskeeps | tbh me neither | 18:14 |
Stskeeps | but i know which one has won :P | 18:14 |
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ShadowJK | i really hate android style, i put away device or switch to another app to wait for web page to load, and when I turn on screen again or switch back to beowser, it has done nothing | 18:16 |
Venemo_N9 | ShadowJK, sounds like windows phone | 18:17 |
ShadowJK | my android tablet | 18:17 |
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Superpelican | Currently checking the files openSUSE uses the build Python3, but the .spec file refers to a lot of .patch files | 18:29 |
Superpelican | And in those patch files I found many lines with if... statements to check which arch the interpreter is running on | 18:29 |
Superpelican | ARMv7 is not in the list | 18:30 |
Superpelican | I'm not a pro in reading .patch files (first time) | 18:30 |
Superpelican | But to me it seems I won't be able to build Python 3 by just copying all the openSUSE build files | 18:30 |
Superpelican | As openSUSE is not available for ARM arches | 18:30 |
Superpelican | But maybe I can at least use parts of the .spec file | 18:31 |
Superpelican | https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=python3&project=openSUSE%3A12.2&rev=167c7a945f420ea71f438f23422c17d1 | 18:31 |
Superpelican | All openSUSE's files for building Python 3 | 18:31 |
Superpelican | including a .spec file | 18:31 |
Stskeeps | it's good if there's no special cases for arm, etc | 18:32 |
Superpelican | Maybe I should team up with someone else who has a little more experience with this stuff | 18:32 |
Superpelican | I can't be the only one who wants to build Python 3 for Mer | 18:33 |
Stskeeps | well, you can always try to just load the .spec file in and rpmbuild it | 18:34 |
Superpelican | Yes, but the problem is the .spec files of openSUSE seems to have lots of dependencies on other build files | 18:35 |
Superpelican | Which might not work with Mer and/or ARM | 18:35 |
Superpelican | I think I'm going to try to modify the .spec file to make it less dependent | 18:35 |
Superpelican | I've already found this in the .spec file: for library in \ | 18:36 |
Superpelican | array atexit audioop binascii _bisect bz2 cmath _codecs_* crypt _csv \ | 18:36 |
Superpelican | _ctypes _datetime _elementtree fcntl grp _heapq _json _lsprof math \ | 18:36 |
Superpelican | mmap _multibytecodec _multiprocessing nis ossaudiodev parser _pickle \ | 18:36 |
Superpelican | _posixsubprocess _random resource select _socket spwd _struct syslog \ | 18:36 |
Superpelican | termios time unicodedata zlib \ | 18:36 |
Superpelican | pyexpat _ctypes_test _testcapi | 18:36 |
Superpelican | do | 18:36 |
Superpelican | eval rm "$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{sitedir}/lib-dynload/$library.*" | 18:36 |
Superpelican | done | 18:36 |
Superpelican | It seems to build a lot of libraries | 18:36 |
Superpelican | including a bin_ascii library | 18:36 |
Stskeeps | did you see the mer python 2 packaging? | 18:36 |
Superpelican | Maybe that piece of code will solve my ascii problem | 18:36 |
Superpelican | No | 18:36 |
Stskeeps | gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 18:37 |
Superpelican | But Python2 doesn't support ascii characters like "²" anyway | 18:37 |
Superpelican | So I won't find any fixes for the ascii problem there | 18:37 |
Superpelican | I think (but I'm no pro) that my best bet is to try to check out the .spec and other build files of other .rpm distro's | 18:38 |
Stskeeps | what's the ascii issue? | 18:39 |
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Superpelican | Well when I run a Python 3 script with print(".......²............") it gives me this error: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\xb2' in position 56: ordinal not in range(128) | 18:54 |
Superpelican | While the same script runs properly on the Python 3 interpreter which comes with Ubuntu | 18:54 |
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Stskeeps | in python 2 or python 3 | 18:54 |
ali1234 | that is supposed to work in 3 according to the faq i read the other day | 18:55 |
Superpelican | in my own compiled python 3 interpreter it gives that error | 18:55 |
Superpelican | The script runs perfectly fine with python 3 interpreter that comes with Ubuntu 12.04 | 18:55 |
ali1234 | what about print("blah".encode("utf8")) | 18:56 |
Superpelican | Haven't tried that yet | 18:56 |
ali1234 | sorry "utf-8" | 18:56 |
Superpelican | But as the same script just works with the python 3 interpreter that's in the ubuntu 12.04 repos I think it should work with python 3 without more complicated hacks | 18:57 |
ali1234 | well there's a few things to worry about here | 18:57 |
Superpelican | Also when I replaced "²" with "^2" the script ran fine with my own compiled python 3 interpreter | 18:57 |
ali1234 | first is that you only get that encoding error when pyhton doesn't know the output type | 18:57 |
ali1234 | eg if you redirect to a file | 18:57 |
ali1234 | secondly that is not supposed to happen in python 3, only in python 2 | 18:58 |
ali1234 | python knows if your string is ascii or unicode | 18:58 |
ali1234 | it also tries to guess the output device encoding | 18:58 |
ali1234 | if they match then no problem | 18:58 |
ali1234 | if the string is unicode and the output device is ascii (or unknown) then you get that error | 18:59 |
ali1234 | but i must reiterate this only goes for python 2 | 18:59 |
Superpelican | Yes I know that it should only give that error with python 2 | 18:59 |
ali1234 | so if you self compiled i would start looking at the config.log or whatever | 19:00 |
ali1234 | maybe you're missing some dependency required for unicode to work properly | 19:00 |
Superpelican | But I found some line in the .spec build file of Python 3 for openSUSE that seems to build a bin_ascii library | 19:00 |
Superpelican | I think maybe that can fix my problem | 19:00 |
ali1234 | maybe | 19:01 |
ali1234 | did you build manually or by packaging tools? | 19:01 |
Superpelican | I only did ./configure & make | 19:02 |
ali1234 | ok | 19:02 |
Superpelican | And than ran ./python <myscript> | 19:02 |
Superpelican | To test the interpreter I had just compiled | 19:02 |
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ali1234 | ah there;s a python module alled sysconfig | 19:02 |
ali1234 | hmm doesn't seem to give anything detailed that would be useful here | 19:03 |
Superpelican | ali1234: https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=python3&project=openSUSE%3A12.2&rev=167c7a945f420ea71f438f23422c17d1 | 19:03 |
Superpelican | This where I found all the openSUSE python 3 build files | 19:03 |
ali1234 | ah i was just going to ask for that :) | 19:03 |
Superpelican | But I think I have to modify the .spec file of openSUSE | 19:04 |
Superpelican | Because it seems to have a lot of dependencies | 19:04 |
Superpelican | it seems to be dependent on a lot of .patch files | 19:04 |
ali1234 | i don't think binascii is what you need. i think it could be termios | 19:05 |
ali1234 | or unicodedata | 19:05 |
Superpelican | K | 19:05 |
Superpelican | I have to leave | 19:05 |
ali1234 | binascii is uuencoding, base64 etc | 19:05 |
Superpelican | But I will come back soon | 19:05 |
Superpelican | When I have time again | 19:05 |
Superpelican | Maybe tomorrow | 19:05 |
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ali1234 | someone must have done a python build already... surely? at least for meego | 19:06 |
Superpelican | ali1234: thx for all your help | 19:06 |
Superpelican | ali1234: Yes there are python 3 builds for harmattan I read on TMO | 19:06 |
ali1234 | no, REAL meego :) | 19:06 |
Superpelican | TMO says they're in a so called "Harmattan SDK repo" | 19:07 |
ali1234 | harmatten uses debs | 19:07 |
Superpelican | Yes python 2 is build for meego, but not Python 3 | 19:07 |
Superpelican | I know | 19:07 |
ali1234 | ah i see, ok | 19:07 |
Superpelican | That's how it all started | 19:07 |
Superpelican | I asked on IRC if python 3 was available for mer | 19:07 |
Superpelican | And stskeeps said no, but your welcome to contribute it | 19:07 |
Superpelican | So I started to get information about how to build python 3 for mer | 19:08 |
Superpelican | And now I'm a new Mer contributor ;-) | 19:08 |
ali1234 | ok, but mer isn't meego. meego had a lot more packages... just that mer doesn't try to have everything. bt you might port one from meego very easily | 19:08 |
ali1234 | if it existed | 19:08 |
Superpelican | K | 19:08 |
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Superpelican | Didn't know that | 19:08 |
Superpelican | But wouldn't it be strange if Mer would let out python 3 | 19:09 |
Superpelican | I mean I understand Mer let's out GUIs and their libraries | 19:09 |
Stskeeps | i'm happy to put in python3 | 19:09 |
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Superpelican | But a newer version of the python interpreter | 19:09 |
Stskeeps | just not had time to package it | 19:09 |
ali1234 | well mer only contains things it needs to do what it does, mostly | 19:09 |
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Stskeeps | mikhas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3Jz-lAGK4 | 19:10 |
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ali1234 | it's not just about drawing an arbitrary line :) | 19:10 |
ali1234 | at least i hope not | 19:10 |
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mikhas | Stskeeps, interesting. Root cause for font issue already known? | 19:11 |
Stskeeps | mikhas: 'it didn't do it in alpha1' | 19:11 |
Stskeeps | :P | 19:11 |
mikhas | right | 19:11 |
Stskeeps | touch issue is the usual stupid stuff | 19:11 |
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ali1234 | looks like khertan once tried to build python3 on the meego OBS but the package no longer exists so i'm guessing there are "problems" | 19:19 |
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ali1234 | oh, and it was a deb anyway | 19:20 |
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Jake9xx | Superpelican: MeeGo is not just an OS , it's a concept. Harmattan was Nokia Maemo6 + Qt 4.7.(4?) and the UI was done using QML and there was Nokia's own LMT layer as some stuff in Qt were not what Nokia wanted | 19:44 |
Jake9xx | in fact Nokia re-wrote the whole UI over and over again during Harmattan | 19:45 |
Superpelican | I know | 19:45 |
Superpelican | M6 Harmattan is basically M6 + MeeGo compatibility | 19:46 |
Jake9xx | the Mer community is taking actions to get rid of the Harmattan legacy | 19:46 |
Jake9xx | as some stuff there ain't OSS | 19:47 |
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Jake9xx | but the cool stuff is that you can go to a store, buy an N9, flash Mer on it and start developing. That's cool. | 19:48 |
Stskeeps | Superpelican: did you get to a point where you're running rpmbuild of python3? | 19:49 |
Superpelican | No | 19:49 |
Superpelican | Still reading Max RPM book | 19:49 |
Stskeeps | alright | 19:49 |
Superpelican | The one you recommended me | 19:49 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:50 |
Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 19:50 |
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Jake9xx | g'nite Stskeeps | 19:52 |
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CosmoHill | night night | 22:15 |
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