Friday, 2012-09-28

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deztructormorning, dark and wet ;)03:46
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iekkumorning05:16
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situMorning everyone..05:27
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Stskeepsmorn guys05:58
Venemo_N9morning :)06:01
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mikhasStskeeps, is mer still using composite WM?06:14
Stskeepsmikhas: it's using mcompositor in nemo06:14
mikhasodd06:14
Stskeepswhy?06:15
Stskeepsis there something broken, or?06:16
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mikhascompositing in recent Maliit is, for Nemo06:18
mikhasand w00t muttered the unholy words of self compositing …06:18
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mikhasI thought we had slayed that dragon …06:18
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Stskeepswell, mcompositor isn't going away for x11, but we can fix what needs to be fixed06:20
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Venemo_N9mikhas, I think w00t is very forward-thinking when it comes to these things. but we're not there yet.06:24
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Stskeepsmikhas: so what particular issues are you running into?06:25
mikhasI need to test whether self-composite Maliit still works, but should for X11.06:25
mikhashttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45606:25
MerbotNemo bug 456 in Maliit "Maliit needs an upgrade (with significant changes)" [Normal,New]06:25
* Stskeeps waits for his slow pc..06:25
mikhasStskeeps, the thing is that QML plugins still use a full-screen surface, whereas the C++ plugin uses one window per element.06:25
Stskeepsah06:26
mikhasThe C++ plugin renders much more efficiently on bigger screens than QML plugins, due to that …06:26
mikhasBut on smaller screens, the difference should never be noticable. In fact, the HW acceleration should make the QML plugin faster.06:26
Stskeepsand mcompositor doesn't really support windows on the screen, as it prefers full screen?06:27
Stskeeps(sorry if i sound daft..)06:27
mikhasyes06:27
mikhasno, you go it06:27
mikhasmcompositor strictly thinks and operates in "one window per app" mode, AFAIK06:27
Stskeepsok, the reason it prefers full screen is due to it being able to flip the full screen frames to framebuffer directly06:27
mikhasyup06:27
Stskeepswhich makes a lot of sense, direct rendering, etc06:27
mikhasbut mcompositor also assumes that for the window management when it comes to multi-tasking06:28
mikhas(and self-compositing uses direct rendering, in Maliit)06:28
Stskeepsok06:29
Stskeepsand we removed self-compositing support in maliit, i recall?06:29
mikhasI never tested it after we moved to surface API06:30
Stskeepsok06:30
mikhasI am pretty sure we will break that feature by accident, if we haven't done so yet.06:31
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Stskeepsis there any alternatives to self-composition that'd require some support in compositor?06:32
mikhasthere are some tests in place to prevent that, but they are not very good06:32
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mikhasToo early to ask for workaround/alternatives. I don't know what else could be done.06:32
mikhas1. You guys need self-compositing in Maliit, 2. We need to find a way to unbreak the feature/keep it working …06:33
mikhasFor Qt5/Wayland, this is hopefully going to die.06:33
* Stskeeps hopes so too06:34
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tanukStskeeps: Currently the pulseaudio module configuration file is decided by parsing /etc/boardname. Do you think that approach is great, and should not be changed?08:43
Stskeepsyes08:43
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Stskeepsit helps hw adaptation a lot08:43
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tanukIt has the problem that the hw adaptation gets to decide all of the configuration.08:43
Stskeepswell, at least the starting point?08:44
tanukI'd like to split the configuration into three independent parts: hw adaptation, core (the same for everybody) and ux (policy).08:45
Stskeepsmakes sense08:45
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tanukStskeeps: There could be a top-level configuration file that has include directives for the three parts. The three parts could be symlinks to the real files. This prevents the use of /etc/boardname, though.08:49
Stskeepsor somehow make it into an environemnt variable?08:50
tanukStskeeps: The PA configuration file parsing doesn't support expanding env variables. It could be added, but if we start hacking on the parser, maybe it would make sense to just add support for parsing /etc/boardname directly?08:52
Stskeepsmaybe08:53
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tanukStskeeps: Anyway, this could be solved also by making the adaptation packages provide the symlinks that I mentioned.08:53
Stskeepstrue, though as an example, we might have same image for multiple devices08:53
tanukHow does /etc/boardname get initialized?08:55
Stskeepsboardname.service -> boardname08:55
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tanukDoes kernel do the board detection, or how do you avoid making separate images for different boards?08:56
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Stskeeps /proc/cpuinfo or dmi information, etc08:57
tanukOk.08:58
tanukI guess getting /etc/boardname support to PA upstream would be possible. Need to discuss it there.08:58
Stskeepswell, its kind of mer specific08:58
Stskeeps / meego08:58
tanukYes, you can't rely on having it available everywhere, but if it's available, then there should be no problem with using it.09:00
Stskeeps:nod:09:02
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remhi, I tried the instructions in wiki for usb Networking from ubuntu but they look bit outdated, any comments on this ?09:24
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tanukrem: What problems are you having? At least one useful thing is missing: instructions for getting a stable mac address for the device.09:26
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remtanuk: sure, i can update the wiki if someone provide correct info :-) I am not getting connectivity. usb0 interface looks ok09:29
tanukrem: I'm in the process of adding the information myself.09:29
tanukrem: By "not getting connectivity", do you mean that ubuntu (networkmanager) is repeatedly trying to make a connection, but can't get it established?09:30
remtanuk: perfect, you save my day. I am very impatient with finger terminal :-)09:30
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remtanuk: yes that too, and trying telnet 192.168.2.15 do not work09:34
tanukrem: I don't know about telnet. I tried once and it didn't work, and I haven't needed it ever since.09:34
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remtanuk: you mean you can do ssh to same address ?09:35
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tanukrem: Yes, if you use Nemo, an ssh server is preinstalled.09:36
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remtanuk: let me know when you are ready with changes09:41
tanukyep09:42
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tanukrem: done09:54
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remtanuk: thanks, it worked like charm. One thing I did was to use the mac address from dev interface, was that your idea in first place ?10:00
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tanukrem: What dev interface?10:01
tanukrem: The mac address doesn't matter. What matters is that you configure it to be something, otherwise it will always be different.10:02
remtanuk: the usb0 interface in the device10:02
tanukrem: 00:11:22:33:44:55 is easier to recognize and type, but otherwise it doesn't matter.10:03
remtanuk: true10:03
tanukrem: A static address is important, because otherwise networkmanager doesn't know that it's the same device when you plug it in again, so any configuration that you do in networkmanager will be lost.10:04
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remtanuk: thanks. The network manager config helped the reconnection issue as well10:05
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xbarmarDoes anyone know what are the rights settings of serial console (bauds, parity, etc) for N9?10:25
* dm8tbr pokes kjokinie - that's your field isn't it?10:28
kjokiniexbarmar: 115200 8N1, no flow controls10:29
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xbarmarkjokinie: thanks!10:30
kjokiniexbarmar: np10:30
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jnikulakimju: it seems the pvr/sgx in n900_kernel.git master has some problem since screen stays blank. It works in CE:Adaptation:N900/kernel-adaptation-n900 though10:43
jnikulakimju: anyway I'd like to use pvr from n900_kernel.git as there is it has more tracable history10:45
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xbarmarkjokinie: I tried with those settings and all I can see on /dev/ttyS0 is garbage.10:52
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xbarmarI'm trying to boot 3.5 kernel (mer-n9-kernel) for N910:52
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kimjujnikula, hmm.. the 2.6.something branch or 3.0-wip ?10:52
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jnikulakimju: master so 2.6.3710:52
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kimjujnikula, that should have been in sync with the obs version. hmm..10:53
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jnikulakimju: diffstat between trees is 219 files changed, 29403 insertions(+), 27180 deletions(-)10:53
kjokiniexbarmar: are you sure the connector is properly attached? have you enabled the serial console with maemo flasher?10:53
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xbarmaryes, I have enabled it with > flasher --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=serial-console10:54
xbarmarkjokinie: For the connector, hard to say since I to make it 'slimmer' to fit into the slot10:54
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kjokiniexbarmar: the connector is quite delicate, it easily falls out of place10:55
kimjujnikula, okay, they are not in sync :D10:55
xbarmarkjokinie: Do I need to set something extra in e.g. bootargs?10:56
kjokiniexbarmar: the bootargs "should" be correct with the kernel in git10:56
remtanuk: why I cannot use the wifi from phone when connected to usb ? _Should both i/f work in paralell ? I got error in UI that connman is not available ....10:57
tanukrem: No idea.10:57
kjokinieanyway ttyO2 needed in command line: console=ttyO2,11520010:57
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bigmeowlol10:57
bigmeowwhat is the room for?10:58
Stskeepsexactly what the /topic says10:58
Stskeepswe develop a mobile core here, see www.merproject.org :)10:58
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remtanuk: should I file a bug ?10:59
bigmeowis there any mer device?10:59
Stskeepsbigmeow: vendors take mer, add a hardware adaptation and their own ui11:00
tanukrem: Yes, I think that makes sense.11:00
Stskeepsbigmeow: so a mer device on it's own is boring11:00
Stskeepsbigmeow: and you can use a lot of existing hw for mer11:00
bigmeowStskeeps: but i need a place to run mer, is that emulator? or physical device?11:01
Stskeepsbigmeow: you can do both, mer even runs on intel virtual machines11:01
bigmeowStskeeps: so mer can be runned on which device?11:01
Stskeepsbigmeow: wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_workspace is a good start11:01
bigmeowStskeeps: what about vmware and vbox?11:01
Stskeepsbigmeow: i develop mer in vbox myself11:02
bigmeowStskeeps: can mer be installed to my x86 pc?11:02
Stskeepsyes11:02
Stskeepsbut remember, mer on it's own is very unsexy11:02
Stskeepspractically only a shell login11:02
Stskeepsyou add ui and hardware support on top11:03
jnikulakimju: it works if I replace drivers/gpu/pvr from kernel-adaptation-n900 but not another way around11:04
jnikulakimju: too bad it's that way. Hopefully it's just some single patch that can be copied from adaptation or reverted in n900_kernel11:04
bigmeowcan mer be runnerd on android device? that is , i destroy that android system, and install mer on my mobile phone:)11:04
Stskeepsbigmeow: yes, but you need to do a lot of heavy lifting and hardware adaptation, so not practical11:05
bigmeowStskeeps: since some of the hardware drivers are not open sourced, so it is impossible to write drivers for mer, right?11:05
Stskeepscorrect11:06
Stskeepsbut there's things ongoing where you can reuse android hw adaptation11:06
bigmeowStskeeps: hope there is knid of open source hardware, then we geekers can do what we want:)11:06
Stskeepsi don't think hopes are big11:06
Stskeepsredistributable, possible11:07
Stskeepsopen source, not in this climate11:07
remtanuk: wait, it was user error :-) I had connman stopped.11:07
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bigmeowhow to design a smart phone, is it that difficult?11:08
Stskeepsquite11:09
StskeepsVDVsx: welcome back11:09
bigmeowseems main board design should be processor oriented...11:09
VDVsxStskeeps: hey, thanks :)11:09
StskeepsVDVsx: i see they didn't put you to work on red flag mobile linuux11:09
Stskeeps:P11:09
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mikhashahaha11:13
mikhasyeah, me too thought that VDVsx *stays*11:13
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jnikulakimju: odd. It kernel-adaptation-n900 contains all the pvr patches in n900_kernel in a single commit + one patch on top of it. But that patch doesn't apply on top of n900_kernel11:14
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jnikulakimju: forgot previous... I didn't run 'git clean -fd' :-)11:15
mikhasStskeeps, more Qt 5 fixes rolling in, do you plan to port to Qt 5 w/o deprecated support?11:15
Stskeepsdeprecated in qt5?11:15
Stskeepsi think i'll probably start with deprecated due to the porting of stack..11:16
mikhasOK.11:16
Stskeepswe'll see11:16
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xbarmarkjokinie: What about a data bits, stop bits and parity: 8, 1 and none ?11:17
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VDVsxStskeeps: mikhas ahahaha :P they barely have computers :P11:19
bigmeowhow to build mer?11:19
Stskeepsbigmeow: you don't typically :) but start with wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started11:20
bigmeowwhat OBS means?11:20
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StskeepsOBS is a build farm software11:20
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bigmeowis that a build system used to build softwares?11:23
Stskeepsyes11:23
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bigmeowi don't have N900, N950 or ExoPC11:24
bigmeowis mer more open source than android?11:26
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kjokiniexbarmar: yes, 8N111:30
jnikulakimju: \o/ your tree works if you apply linux-2.6.37-upgrade-sgx-driver.patch from /CE:Adaptation:N900/kernel-adaptation-n90011:30
bigmeowhttp://img01.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i1/T1mqGaXlBmXXX.7Tw1_042445.jpg_310x310.jpg11:30
Stskeepsbigmeow: mer is fully open source11:30
bigmeowis this n900?11:30
Stskeepsno, that's not n90011:30
Stskeeps:P11:30
bigmeowStskeeps: lol, i would like to get a mer device:)11:30
Stskeepsin fact.. what is that11:30
bigmeowStskeeps: but the seller said it is :(11:31
Stskeepsi think it's nokia n9011:31
Stskeepshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N90011:31
dm8tbrI'd say it's a KIRF11:31
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bigmeowStskeeps: which device is best supported by mer?11:33
bigmeowdm8tbr: what is KIRF?11:33
Stskeepsbigmeow: mer doesn't contain hardware support, you add that on top of mer itself, but there's a pretty good one for nokia n90011:33
dm8tbrhttp://www.engadget.com/tag/kirf/11:34
bigmeowStskeeps: why there is no hardware support?11:36
Stskeepsbigmeow: it's a philosophical thing to make the thing more portable and less political discussions11:36
bigmeowStskeeps: can mer be runned G4?11:37
Stskeepswhat's a G4?11:38
Stskeeps:P11:38
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bigmeowStskeeps: google phone g411:40
bigmeowStskeeps: can i build nginx for mer device?11:41
bigmeowStskeeps: can i install iptables to mer?11:42
Stskeepsprobably, but spend some time researching :)11:43
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kontiomardy, ping12:01
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bigmeowStskeeps: what is better for mer? N900 or N950?12:03
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Stskeepsn950 is unobtainable12:08
bigmeowStskeeps: why?12:13
Stskeepswas a developer device only in limited supply12:14
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bigmeowStskeeps: you can send me one:) i pay for it:)12:16
bigmeowhow much is it?12:16
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iekkubigmeow, i can sell mine12:17
bigmeowiekku: how much?12:17
iekkubigmeow, only 25kEUR12:17
Stskeepsbigmeow: not legal to sell12:17
iekkuoh crap, didn't remember that12:17
bigmeowStskeeps: why not legal? who product n950?12:17
mikhasbut you could donate for my charity project12:18
Stskeepsbigmeow: it was given as a developer device for free to some12:18
Stskeepsbigmeow: with strict conditions of no sale12:18
Stskeepseven says it in the metal :P12:19
mikhasand then I *might* send you a X-mas present with a strange display and a hardware keyboard12:19
iekkumikhas, buah12:20
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bigmeowmikhas: what is your project?12:25
bigmeowStskeeps: lol, i want to be a developer:)12:25
Stskeepsbigmeow: sure, you don't need a device to do that ;)12:25
mikhasa charity project … and sending out strange devices for X-mas12:25
bigmeowStskeeps: i need:(12:25
mikhaswell, that's my *new* project, at least12:25
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Bostikbeing a developer who gets showered with weird hardware is fun only as long as you have storage space12:29
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Bostikonce the gizmos start to pour out and invade all available surfaces...12:29
StskeepsBostik: you should see my office12:29
Stskeepsi'm still pondering wtf to use my omapzoom2 for..12:30
Stskeeps:P12:30
Bostikbwah12:30
mardykontio: hi! :-)12:30
kontiohi12:30
Bostikat leaast I don't have any numbered special devices where even getting rid of them is legally dubious12:31
kontiomardy, we face a problem with tests.xml in  libsignoncrypto-qt-tests :-)12:31
kontioproblem is that the tests xml expects to have:12:31
kontiolibsignoncrypto-qt-test1 and libsignoncrypto-qt-test2, these files are copied from libsignoncrypto-qt-test during debian packaging in Harmattan case. And libsignoncrypto-qt-test1 gets aegis token and libsignoncrypto-qt-test2 not.12:31
kontioin mer/nemo we use rpm :-) and aegis is nor relevant...12:32
mardykontio: then I guess you need only libsignoncrypto-qt-test212:33
mardykontio: who is maintaining those packages? I think that no one is using them outside of Mer, so I'd say you can modify them freely12:33
kontiomardy, I was just wondering it it would make sense to have the harmattan specific tests.xml just in harmattan branch... and a more generic in master branch?12:34
mardykontio: if you think that someone still cares about harmattan, yes :-)12:35
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kontiomardy, probably nobody cares about harmattan any more ;-) so if I provide a patch to replace the tests.xml that's working fine in mer you would accept it?12:36
kontioand what is your preferred way to get the patch? issue in googlecode or on the ML?12:37
kontioand as long as nobody merges from master to harmattan the harmattan version stays intact...12:38
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mardykontio: AFAIK, that package is not used by anyone, so I'd rather grant you commit access12:40
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mardykontio: then you'd get commit access to all the other repos as well, but for them we always use code reviews12:41
kontiomardy, sure you can otherwise kick me the next time we see us :-)12:44
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mardykontio: :-)12:47
kontiomardy, ok will do it on Monday, our net will die in about 10min, since we move some floor up this weekend...12:48
kontionice we12:48
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bigmeowcan i install mer to n900?12:50
Sfiet_Konstantinbigmeow: why not ?12:50
bigmeowSfiet_Konstantin: how?12:50
Sfiet_Konstantinbigmeow: give a try at Nemo. It is Mer based12:50
Sfiet_Konstantinbigmeow: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N90012:51
bigmeowhttp://i.imgur.com/jCV7Z.jpg12:51
bigmeowseems not nice, full of bug:(12:51
Sfiet_Konstantinthis is plasma active12:52
Sfiet_Konstantinnemo is full of bugs, yeah, but not that full12:52
Stskeepsand an old image, if anything..12:52
Sfiet_Konstantinit is quite nice these days :)12:52
* Stskeeps yawns12:52
bigmeowhow to install uboot to phone?12:53
Sfiet_Konstantinfollow tut12:53
Stskeepsbigmeow: google will give you those answers12:53
Sfiet_Konstantinit should be clear12:53
Sfiet_Konstantinit is even in the wiki12:53
bigmeowhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot  seems my phone may become a brick:(12:55
bigmeowif it is pc, i can install bootloader using cdrom or usbdisk12:56
Sfiet_Konstantinif you are afraid, bigmeow, then don't do it12:56
bigmeowbut once my phone become brick, that phone should be abandon:(12:56
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bigmeowSfiet_Konstantin: bigmeow is not affraid:)12:56
Sfiet_KonstantinI bricked my phone a thousand times12:57
Sfiet_Konstantinflasher is my friend12:57
bigmeowso if my phone become a brick, how to reinstall uboot to it?12:57
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bigmeowSfiet_Konstantin: i mean the damage to bootload12:57
bigmeower12:57
Sfiet_Konstantinflasher is still your friend12:58
bigmeowwithout uboot you cannot reflash system to your phone:(12:58
Stskeepsbigmeow: n900 is practically unbrickable unless you do something truly stupid12:58
Stskeepsbigmeow: uboot doesnt replace your bootloader12:58
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: unless you destroy the usb port :D12:58
Stskeepsor that12:59
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bigmeowSfiet_Konstantin: you mean i should melt that circuit parts from my phone , then reflash it using a flasher?13:00
Sfiet_Konstantin:D13:00
Sfiet_Konstantinlol no13:00
Sfiet_Konstantinyou can ALWAYS use flasher to reflash from your PC13:00
Sfiet_Konstantinunless the usb port is broken, obvioulsy13:00
bigmeowSfiet_Konstantin: angry:( i don't know circuits well:(13:00
Sfiet_Konstantinand it is said that N900's port is quite fragile13:00
Sfiet_Konstantinnothing to do with circuits13:00
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bigmeowSfiet_Konstantin: what i should do if the uboot of n900 is broken?13:01
Sfiet_Konstantinhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware13:01
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bigmeowhow system is booted?13:10
bigmeowseems system must boot from one fixed address, usuaaly booloader resides there13:10
bigmeowso the system will start to execute bootloader first13:10
Stskeepsit varies from machine to machine.13:11
bigmeowthen the bootloader start to boot the os:)13:11
bigmeowStskeeps: yes, but they all start to run from fixed address, right?13:11
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bigmeowoh, i know why n900 could not be a brick now:)13:22
bigmeowsince all data are stored on sd card13:22
bigmeowand software  which can be runned on windows can write bootloader to the right place of that sd card, right13:23
bigmeow?13:23
Stskeepsnot exactly13:23
bigmeowthen system can boot bootloader13:23
bigmeowthen loader boot the os, yes?13:23
Stskeepsit's just that the u-boot is actually put where kernel would be13:23
Stskeepsand the bootloader isn't replaced13:23
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Stskeeps:P13:23
bigmeowStskeeps: then why n900 could not become a real brick?13:24
Stskeepsbecause the bootloader won't let you13:24
bigmeowi know some embeded system can beome brick, we may repair it using ttl or jtag13:24
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bigmeowif ttl and jtag fails, we have to melt some circuit part off, and reflash it using some specific devices:(13:25
Stskeepsyeah, but this is just flashable again if you blow sw up13:25
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bigmeowStskeeps: why uboot isn't replaced?13:25
Stskeepscan we just let it be at that n900 isn't brickable? :)13:26
Stskeepsthe bootloader isn't u-boot, bootloader loads u-boot13:26
bigmeowStskeeps: of course uboot can be reflashed, since someone may build uboot by himself, then flash it to n90013:26
bigmeowStskeeps: two stage bootloader?13:27
bigmeowStskeeps: what is the bootloader which can loads uboot?13:27
Stskeepsit's called NOLO and is what talks to the flasher13:27
bigmeowStskeeps: is that bootloader implemented using hardware?13:28
Stskeepsyou're asking a lot of questions, can i ask you to spend time finding material on the web about it?13:28
Stskeeps(please)13:28
Stskeepsit's well described around the place13:28
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bigmeowStskeeps: ihttp://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/debian_on_the_n900-_configuring_nolo/13:30
bigmeowcan i build NOLO myself?13:30
Stskeepsbigmeow: we're drifting off topic - we discuss mer here :)13:31
Stskeepsyou're welcome to discuss n900 and the likes in #maemo13:31
bigmeowmer can be more popular to geekers than android:)13:31
bigmeowStskeeps: you said NOLO...13:31
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Stskeepsyep, but we're not google here. long story short: mer is a collaborative and when you contribute or need help to start contributing, we're happy to help you do so, and by you contributing, you help lift the burden, and hence people have time to answer more complicated questions :)13:33
Stskeepsas they have to do less themselves13:33
bigmeowok, i would buy n900 then:)13:33
bigmeowso i can build mer:)13:34
Stskeepsthat's a good start13:34
bigmeowStskeeps: in fact i have 6 android devices now:)13:34
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bigmeowStskeeps: do you have plan to port dalvik to to mer? so it can be used to run android apk:)13:36
Stskeepsnot personally, no13:36
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bigmeowbut n900's hardware is too weak13:37
bigmeowStskeeps: why not...13:37
Stskeepsbecause i have better things to do :)13:37
bigmeowStskeeps: dude, what is it then?13:37
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Stskeepsbigmeow: let me ask you this instead.. why don't you port dalvik? :)13:40
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bigmeowStskeeps: dude, that is a big project, nokia have tried to do that, failed:(13:43
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mikhasperhaps nokia was too big to succeed?13:43
Stskeepsbigmeow: i'm more interesting in using android hardware adaptations for mer, the apps themselves.. well, not much fun if you can't run your system on any hardware13:45
bigmeowStskeeps: yes, but just now you said it is impossible:(13:46
bigmeowStskeeps: maybe you can design an open source mer device:) i mean open sourced hardware:)13:47
Stskeepsbigmeow: there are other people better at that.13:48
bigmeowStskeeps: who is better at that?13:49
bigmeowStskeeps: do you use gtalk?13:50
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SuperpelicanFound this: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Python_BoF17:08
Stskeepsmm?17:08
SuperpelicanWhich says: "What Python packages are suitable for MeeGo repos?   openSUSE and Fedora packages can be used almost without modification."17:08
Stskeepsyes but in mer, prolly need recompiles17:09
SuperpelicanYes, I know have to compile for different arch17:09
SuperpelicanBut maybe I could reuse a lot of config files17:10
SuperpelicanMaybe .spec file?17:10
SuperpelicanTo get Python 3 running properly17:10
SuperpelicanAlso I found that Python 3 is available for Harmattan/N917:10
SuperpelicanIn a special "Meego SDK" extra repo17:10
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SuperpelicanMaybe that is useful too17:11
SuperpelicanSee: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8241117:11
Superpelican*Harmattan SDK repo17:11
Stskeepsharmattan isnt meego17:11
SuperpelicanI know17:12
Superpelican.deb based17:12
SuperpelicanBut maybe I could reuse some files17:12
SuperpelicanTo get P3 running properly17:12
SuperpelicanOr maybe even just use Alien17:12
SuperpelicanTo convert to .rpm17:12
SuperpelicanProbably I will get Python 3 running just fine on Mer, if I collect the pieces of information available on the web17:13
Stskeeps:nod:17:14
SuperpelicanAt least I don't have to do everything from scratch17:14
SuperpelicanAlso could someone tell me how to change sb2 build target in Mer SDK?17:16
SuperpelicanI think it's set to X86 right now17:16
SuperpelicanAs I was able to run a compiled python interpreter on my X86 computer17:16
vgradehttp://blog.openwebosproject.org/17:17
Superpelicanvgrade: Yes, WebOS was also a beautiful OS17:18
SuperpelicanReally hope Jolla reuses some of the WebOS UI ideas17:18
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* Stskeeps hopes to enable community to do amazing things previously reserved for bigger companies.17:21
Stskeeps:P17:21
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SuperpelicanA .rpm doesn't contain a program's source code, right?17:28
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Stskeepscorrect17:28
Stskeepsexcept if it's a src.rpm17:28
SuperpelicanMaybe this is useful: https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=python3&project=openSUSE%3A12.217:32
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SuperpelicanMer Project uses Zypper and not Yum, right?17:43
Stskeepsright17:44
SuperpelicanPhew17:44
SuperpelicanHave bad experiences with yum17:44
SuperpelicanIt's so slow17:44
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SuperpelicanMy first distro was Ubuntu17:44
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SuperpelicanSo I'm used to apt17:45
SuperpelicanWhich is very fast17:45
SuperpelicanHope Zypper comes close to apt in speed17:45
SuperpelicanGoing to try openSUSE 12.2 soon17:45
SuperpelicanEspecially now I'm planning to buy a Jolla Phone17:45
SuperpelicanAnd contribute to Mer17:45
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SuperpelicanI would like to give KDE an rpm a chance again17:46
SuperpelicanAfter bad experiences with Fedora (RPM, Yum, very slow) and KDE (Kubuntu, lots of crashes)17:47
SuperpelicanThey say openSUSE is the best KDE distro17:47
Stskeeps:nod:17:47
SuperpelicanHaving a Qt based GUI  and Zypper package management on both phone and laptop is very appealing17:48
SuperpelicanSo I how do start packaging Python to a .rpm?17:49
SuperpelicanShould I use OBS?17:49
SuperpelicanDo you have to create an account for OBS?17:49
Stskeepstry to build it on its own in sdk and notice build dependencies17:49
SuperpelicanWith OSC tool?17:50
SuperpelicanOr can SB2 also build .rpms?17:50
Stskeepsyes17:51
SuperpelicanK, going to explore SB2 in that case17:53
Superpelicansb2 --help ;-)17:54
SuperpelicanAlso how do you set SB2 target?17:54
Superpelicansb2-config -d <target> didn't work for me17:54
SuperpelicanIt gives an error that the target is not correct17:55
SuperpelicanIs there a special naming policy for sb2 targets?17:55
Superpelicanhttp://maemo.gitorious.org/scratchbox2/pages/Home sb2 wikid oesn't seem to give away much information either :-(17:59
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Superpelicanstskeeps: How should I package my compiled python interpreter in to a .rpm with sb2?18:13
Superpelicanstskeeps: can't find any sb2 parameters for packaging software18:13
Stskeepsstart with making it build first18:13
Stskeepswithout rpm18:13
SuperpelicanI've already done that last time18:14
SuperpelicanFor both Python2.7 and Python318:14
Stskeepsok18:14
SuperpelicanI can't just run setup.py bdist_rpm of python3 source to build a .rpm?18:15
Stskeepsmaybe18:16
SuperpelicanBut what's the preferred way?18:17
SuperpelicanShould I use setup.py bdist_rpm, OSC/OBS or SB2?18:17
SuperpelicanI'm confused18:17
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Superpelicanstskeeps: Is it possible to use rpm command itself to package python interpreter?18:34
Stskeepsread 'max rpm' book18:34
Stskeepsis very useful18:34
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SuperpelicanStskeeps: but what is the preferred way to package software for the Mer Project?18:36
Stskeeps.spec :) and rpmbuild , deep down18:36
Stskeepsobs uses rpmbuild too18:37
Stskeepssb2 you run rpmbuild inside18:37
SuperpelicanStskeeps: So where to start?18:37
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CosmoHillnight night23:27
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