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| deztructor | morning tonight :) | 03:58 |
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| * Stskeeps tries to resurrect community obs hiccup | 05:41 | |
| Stskeeps | cat_n9: which glestest, mer-gfx-tests? | 05:41 |
| jnikula | Sage_: I'm worried did my dsme changes broke something or is this unrelated obs problem: Build status for dsme show "The repository setup is broken, build not possible" but it has succeeded building a new version. See https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=dsme&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | not related | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | i'm fixing atm | 05:43 |
| jnikula | Stskeeps: ok, good to know :-) | 05:44 |
| Stskeeps | the place fakeobs is hosted on rebooted overnight | 05:44 |
| jnikula | oh, I'm blind. You just said it couple lines above my comment :-) | 05:44 |
| Bostik | is this hiccup somehow related to cobs not showing build logs? | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: may well be, yes | 05:46 |
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| Sage_ | morning | 06:15 |
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| Kypeli | Good morning Sage_ | 06:17 |
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| Stskeeps | morn ljp | 06:31 |
| ljp | hi | 06:32 |
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| ljp | been using the new source pro font in creator | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | nicer for coding? | 06:35 |
| ljp | I think so. a bit too much space between lines | 06:36 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: hows the new snapshot already imported to cobs as my repo is still unresolved | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: it's in updatesstorm | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | and im not sure how far lbt got | 06:40 |
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| ljp | bummer qt-labs simulator hasnt been updated since march | 06:45 |
| * ljp wonders what happened to all that work | 06:45 | |
| Stskeeps | i have the same feeling with some of the meego stuff | 06:46 |
| ljp | sensors and sensorgestures were made to work in it | 06:46 |
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| Stskeeps | perhaps it's in gerrit somewhere? | 06:46 |
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| Stskeeps | that's where i've found the odd project, so | 06:48 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: got some time for questions on testrunner-lite? | 06:49 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: yep | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: how essential is it that logs are in /var/log/tests ? | 06:50 |
| timoph | not at all | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | i'm fighting a bit with blts-common at the moment and it insists on a couple of stupid assumptions, so | 06:51 |
| timoph | iirc it just needed a fixed place so the control machine knew where to get them | 06:51 |
| * Stskeeps ponders to just cop out and make var/log/tests writable for all.. | 06:52 | |
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| Stskeeps | i guess i have to fix it properly.. | 06:52 |
| timoph | :) | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | ugh, now i can see why it might have to be run as root.. | 06:55 |
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| Stskeeps | it's really apparant that some facts in harmattan architecture makes people take retarded shortcuts.. | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | like, gles tests running as root while rest of gles using apps are actually running as user.. | 07:04 |
| timoph | yep. when you're doing things for one thing only then you lose the big picture | 07:04 |
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| timoph | hmmh. I should put the creating sb2 target from device tip to the wiki | 07:05 |
| timoph | quite simple and doesn't take that long | 07:06 |
| timoph | rsync, sb2-init and go | 07:06 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, I fixed compiling Maliit against Qt 5, will be in next release (that I am working on right now). | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: thank you | 07:08 |
| mikhas | np, I should have looked into that earlier … | 07:09 |
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| Stskeeps | mikhas: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/qmlcomponentgallery.png meanwhile | 07:09 |
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| andre__ | good morning everybody! | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | good morning andre__ | 07:10 |
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| mikhas | Stskeeps, that's your Wayland stack thingy? | 07:15 |
| mikhas | Zephyr? | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | YEAH | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | er | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | sorry about caps, cursing at some test sets ;) | 07:15 |
| timoph | E-P should know more about those sets | 07:17 |
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| Stskeeps | the biggest threat against development: batteries that need charging.. | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:26 |
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| Stskeeps | cat1: saw my reply this morning? | 07:30 |
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| jnikula | I cannot install anymore packages due "error: Failed dependencies". Is this also related to obs hickup? | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | full log? | 07:44 |
| jnikula | e.g. this https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=dsme&project=home%3Ajhnikula%3Abranches%3ACE%3AMW%3AShared&repository=Mer_Core-next_armv7hl | 07:44 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't see any failures there? | 07:44 |
| jnikula | and failed dependencies are ld-linux-armhf.so.3 and ld-linux-armhf.so.3(GLIBC_2.4) | 07:45 |
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| jnikula | yeah, that's strange since yesterday I was able to install fine | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | i mean | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | that log doesn't contain any failures | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | f5? | 07:46 |
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| cat1 | Stskeeps: this was mer-gfx-tests-0.0.1-1.3.armv7hl, but never mind, the problem was/is in libGLES coming with mali. Now it fails with driver API mismatch which is unrelated to glestest. | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:26 |
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| cat1 | need to fetch strace for target, but mer-tools (?) repo is not under /etc/zypp/repos.d/, where to find mer-tools.repo? or i need to create it myself? | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | zypper ar <url> <name of repo> | 08:40 |
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| cat1 | Stskeeps: hmm.. zypper search stil does not return strace. | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it's in mer:tools:testing ? | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | also, wjhat repo did you add | 08:46 |
| cat1 | sb-zypper ar http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/armv7hl/packages mer-tools | 08:46 |
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| lbt | cat1: what does "sdk-version" say? | 08:47 |
| cat1 | s/sb-zypper/zypper | 08:47 |
| cat1 | there is only sdk-upgrade tool available. | 08:48 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Upgrading_the_SDK | 08:48 |
| lbt | no shortcuts | 08:48 |
| lbt | :) | 08:48 |
| cat1 | lbt: now upgrading, thanks for hint! ;) | 08:51 |
| lbt | cool :) | 08:51 |
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| cat1 | lbt: Installation of ca-certificates-2012.81-1.10 failed: -- ignore? | 08:59 |
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| lbt | mmm following all the instructions? | 08:59 |
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| cat1 | lbt: i think so, but can repeat, not that many steps afterall | 08:59 |
| lbt | including the exit umount mount cycles? | 09:00 |
| cat1 | lbt: oops.. nope | 09:00 |
| lbt | it *should* clean up the block | 09:00 |
| lbt | :) | 09:00 |
| lbt | in future this should be cleaner | 09:00 |
| lbt | I kinda messed up some stuff in the alpha/beta | 09:00 |
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| cat1 | lbt: after which step i need to leave/enter sdk? | 09:01 |
| lbt | right now just do it | 09:01 |
| cat1 | ah :) | 09:01 |
| lbt | usually before zypper up | 09:01 |
| lbt | then zypper ref/up when you enter again | 09:01 |
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| cat1 | hmm.. same error | 09:02 |
| lbt | error? pastie if long | 09:03 |
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| cat1 | lbt: oh no, i must be an idiot, careless reading... let me try again ;) | 09:05 |
| cat1 | lbt: everything is good so far | 09:08 |
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| lbt | good | 09:10 |
| faenil | morn :) | 09:10 |
| rcg-work | morning faenil | 09:12 |
| faenil | o/ | 09:12 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: Hi | 09:22 |
| situ | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450 | 09:22 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 450 in libXaw "update libXaw to 1.0.11" [Task,New] | 09:22 |
| situ | We already have 1.0.11 in obs. | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok, it can be closed then | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to resolved-fixed then and point to review.* | 09:22 |
| situ | I couldn't find review url for it. | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | click "merged" | 09:23 |
| lbt | we need to get the mer release into the released fs | 09:23 |
| lbt | the /etc/mer-release is bad | 09:23 |
| lbt | and it needs to be in the rpms | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:23 |
| lbt | so it goes into buildroots | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | how did prerelease go btw? | 09:24 |
| lbt | I don't think I can determine it now | 09:24 |
| situ | Stskeeps: ok.. it was fixed here http://review.merproject.org/#change,634 | 09:24 |
| lbt | will check | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: shell.* rebooted overnight btw | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | i restarted fakeobs and re-ran updatesstorm | 09:24 |
| lbt | yeah - saw adam had done security | 09:24 |
| lbt | did you do the full pull/xml process from internal wiki ? | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | no | 09:25 |
| lbt | OK - we have some new targets | 09:25 |
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| lbt | so release was good but need to pull to cobs | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:26 |
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| situ | libXres not on OBS. | 09:34 |
| timoph | btw, I'm going to miss the QA meeting today. I have a meeting at work colliding with it | 09:34 |
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| timoph | but as an update to qa things. I have version of rich-core in my obs home that works with mer. It is not compatible with the maemo/meego version. documentation still missing. Will put some info about it's usage to the wiki when I have time to do so | 09:37 |
| timoph | E-P: ^ | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 09:37 |
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| timoph | also it's missing small things like on/off switch | 09:38 |
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| E-P | timoph: ok, thanks for the info | 09:43 |
| timoph | E-P: how's things in .de? | 09:44 |
| E-P | timoph: good, slowly settling down and trying to learn the language | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: i've started grooming a bit with blts-common and probably going to throw out the requirement of them needing root, though some should be run as such.. | 09:46 |
| timoph | at least they have good cakes there :p | 09:46 |
| E-P | timoph: and beer ;) | 09:46 |
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| E-P | Stskeeps: ok, I am not so familiar the blts-common, mainly the mwts-common | 09:47 |
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| Stskeeps | because it's a bit broken that for example gles test run as root, where some of the really broken stuff can happen when gles is run as non-root | 09:48 |
| timoph | we need more human understandable acronyms | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | due to permissione rrors, etc | 09:48 |
| timoph | or even better, avoid acronyms | 09:48 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: that has been always an issue | 09:48 |
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| E-P | I would prefer that most of the tests are executed as the real user | 09:50 |
| E-P | but there are always exceptions | 09:50 |
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| timoph | yep. imo the default should the user not root | 09:53 |
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| cat1 | which repo readelf could be located in? | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | binutils | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | in mer core | 10:09 |
| cat1 | on target too? | 10:09 |
| * lbt ponders what identifier to use for a mer buildroot | 10:09 | |
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| cat1 | Stskeeps: ok, got it, thanks! | 10:11 |
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| lbt | cat1: you'll need the Mer-Tools repo for debug tools on the device | 10:16 |
| cat1 | lbt: hope adding @Mer Tools to .ks will do the magic. | 10:18 |
| lbt | mmm | 10:18 |
| cat1 | lbt: actuall for now i installed neede binaries by hands. | 10:19 |
| lbt | yeah - I appear not to have updated the wiki... | 10:19 |
| lbt | somewhere is a list of groups and the repos for the Mer:Tools releases | 10:20 |
| cat1 | lbt: or i appear not be reading tfm :) | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer05: pr1.3 kernel sources, does it exist anywhere? | 10:36 |
| faenil | I think javispedro requested a DVD with them? | 10:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, maemo PR1.3? | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | harmattan | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HARM 1.3? | 11:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.3/ | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ISO | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | deztructor: ^ | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro somewhere hosts the expanded thingie | 11:09 |
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| deztructor | Stskeeps: DocScrutinizer05 thx | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry my box had no disk space to host the expanded ISO | 11:10 |
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| E-P | Reminder: Mer QA meeting starting in 15mins | 11:45 |
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| iekku | oh! | 11:47 |
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| E-P | :) | 11:47 |
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| mikhas | Stskeeps, http://lists.maliit.org/pipermail/maliit-announce-maliit.org/2012-September/000018.html | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: good work, thank you | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: btw, what practical impact does it have when maliit no longer uses meego graphics system? | 12:48 |
| mikhas | none | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | even on nemo like setups that actually uses it? | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:48 |
| mikhas | I had to debug a bit of MeeGo Graphics System related things, and I just made our stuff render fast in both soft- and hardware rendering. | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:48 |
| mikhas | Well, right. Cant vouch for QML | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see | 12:49 |
| mikhas | but that depends on many other things. As long as QML is running with hw acceleration, it should be fine. | 12:49 |
| mikhas | and for Qt 5, MeeGo GS is super-obsolete anyway. | 12:49 |
| mikhas | the goal to make rendering fast with software rendering contributes quite a bit to the current complexity in the C++ plugin … | 12:50 |
| w00t | mikhas: seen https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=456 ? | 12:50 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 456 in Maliit "Maliit needs an upgrade (with significant changes)" [Normal,New] | 12:50 |
| mikhas | no | 12:50 |
| mikhas | 456 bugs, I am proud of you guys! | 12:50 |
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| mikhas | w00t, spammed the bug | 12:54 |
| mikhas | special, ^ | 12:55 |
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| w00t | mikhas: <3! | 12:57 |
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| deztructor | DocScrutinizer05: btw, maybe to save your space and bandwidth u can just share it through bittorrent, e.g. http://openbittorrent.com | 13:25 |
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| cat1 | how do i install package source with zypper? i did e.g.: | 15:16 |
| cat1 | ~/ zypper si mer-gfx-tests | 15:16 |
| cat1 | and got this: | 15:16 |
| cat1 | Source package 'mer-gfx-tests' not found. | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | would it surprise you to know that mer doesn't have srpms? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have them because in many many cases, it doesn't actually fullfill the gpl requirement for sources | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | the canonical way to get mer sources / packaging is through the git | 15:19 |
| cat1 | Stskeeps: no, it did not surprise, i asked just in case ;) | 15:21 |
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| CosmoHill | hello | 17:04 |
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| karlzero | Is it ok to ask questions of slightly stupid nature in here? | 17:24 |
| CosmoHill | sure | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | karlzero: always, if you consider helping improving the docs :) | 17:26 |
| karlzero | So, I read about libhybris. Maybe this is not the place for this, but could someone enlighten me as to what it actually means? See, stupid question :) | 17:27 |
| karlzero | I will try to help where ever I can :) | 17:27 |
| Lava_Croft | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE5Mjk | 17:29 |
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| karlzero | I am afraid this probably is above my abilities to understand :( Sorry to bother you guys. What I really wanted was to get a proper x server running on my phone but I realize now libhybris wont really help with that, atleast not if am running android. | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | karlzero: ah, sorry, i went offline :) | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | karlzero: what libhybris does is to make it possible for non-android systems to use android hw adaptations | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | karlzero: the biggest issue that non-android systems never had the hardware support needed to really take off | 17:52 |
| dm8tbr | though some challenges remain. it's not pixie dust. :) | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | but it's a big step ahead compared to a month ago | 17:54 |
| karlzero | So if I knew how, I could use android drivers that needs bionic and they will use libhybris instead? Meaning, I could run any linux dist compiled for arm? Or am I not getting it :) | 17:56 |
| pq | hybris wouldn't help much with X anyway, since you'd still miss an accelerated gfx DDX, though might be able to hack something with glamor in theory | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | karlzero: that you can use a linux dist and use the existing android adaptation | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | but it's very early stages atm | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | pq: i'm fairly convinced it should be possible to do wayland/buffer sharing on top of android gralloc and standard interfaces, now | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | pq: there doesn't seem to be any magic binder stuff related either | 17:58 |
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| pq | Stskeeps, I know it works, we tried it :-) | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | pq: oh, i didn't know that | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | pq: is that open source? | 18:05 |
| pq | yeah, but a huge hack on client side, a moment | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | no worries about client side.. :P | 18:06 |
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| pq | server-side EGL: http://cgit.collabora.com/git/android/platform/frameworks/base.git/log/?h=pq-egl-wip2 | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | deztructor: sorry, no peer2peer services on my box, nevar! | 18:08 |
| pq | it used to work at android-4.0.1_r1.2-b, when weston didn't need the latter patch | 18:08 |
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| pq | Stskeeps, and the patches by lfrb you can skip, they are about trying to make android libs use wayland | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | what kind of perf did you get, out of curiousity? | 18:09 |
| pq | no idea | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:09 |
| pq | we just saw that the code ran, and got a picture on weston from a GL client | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, looks convincing to me, too | 18:10 |
| pq | the client is here: http://cgit.collabora.com/git/user/lfrb/wayland-demos/commit/?h=android&id=05ddd1c4c41aa2c851555c209ea432dc724238a4 | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | it was always my impression you never got that far, don't know why | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | well, that makes things a lot more easier | 18:11 |
| pq | we never got far enough to offer it in EGL | 18:11 |
| pq | the client side, i.e. EGL Wayland platform, is totally not implemented | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:12 |
| pq | but, we had that hack, thanks to lfrb | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | the only thing i personally care about is enough to enable it for something like brcm buffer sharing in qml compositor | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | and that seems to be there just fine | 18:12 |
| pq | funny you should say brcm... I tested BRCM_global_image on RPi today :-) | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:13 |
| pq | it worked, but a) the global images are not destroyed on process exit, and b) RPi has so little memory | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, that can be solved somehow i guess | 18:14 |
| pq | destroying is no problem as long as apps don't crash, but memory might be | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | pq: cool work, btw :) | 18:16 |
| pq | if you split 64 MB for VideoCore, around 32 MB of that seems to be already used, even when counting out fbcon and two fullscreen buffers for EGL. | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | pq: i hope to put this into good use as we move forward | 18:17 |
| pq | cool :-) | 18:17 |
| pq | Stskeeps, btw. did I tell you about buffer allocation on android, that it might not be possible in normal clients? | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, no, is it inverse there? | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | ie, that compositor hands out buffers | 18:18 |
| pq | server allocates and hands over to clients | 18:19 |
| pq | that way server is on top of memory usage | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's just a different way of getting buffers i guess | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | i don't see why wayland wouldn't support that? | 18:19 |
| pq | but the android_wlegl wayland protocol I wrote assumes that clients can allocate buffers, and that won't fly on all androids | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:20 |
| pq | no permissions to allocate on some, I hear | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it sortof makes sense | 18:20 |
| pq | so, you just need to reverse the protocol and add a roundtrip, compared to what I did | 18:21 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'm still a bit peeved something broke from alpha1 to beta1 in qt5 that my qmlscene demo stopped working.. a lot of debugging ahead of me | 18:26 |
| pq | yeah, I saw you mention it | 18:28 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: I spent couple of minutes today with the eglfs. I realized that qtbase is huge and it would be nice to be able to grab only a fraction of it as a HA eglfs plugin tarball. But it looked like it might not be easy to take just that part and still be able to compile it in a sane way | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: well, you can do nice things with obs.. long story short, you can linkpac to Mer's qtbase source and add a <my package name>.spec | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | on top of that linkpac | 18:33 |
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| kulve | well, ok, that sounds already more sane :) | 18:34 |
| kulve | does mer already include the qt5 qtbase? | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | obs matches .spec file on th epackage name first | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | and it'll have beta1 soon, too | 18:35 |
| kulve | I again tried to find it but failed.. What's the correct approach for searching packages in cobs/mer obs? | 18:35 |
| kulve | I did only find qt 4.8 | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | osc ls Mer:fake:Core:i486 | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | as an example | 18:36 |
| kulve | what's the difference between Mer:fake:Core and Mer:fake:Core:<arch>? | 18:36 |
| timoph | evening | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: not that much, one has binaries, others doesn't | 18:37 |
| kulve | so basically I should have found the qt 5.0 in the Mer:fake:Core as well | 18:37 |
| kulve | ? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:37 |
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| Stskeeps | qt5base | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | or qtbase | 18:38 |
| kulve | there's something I don't realize because I never find what I'm looking for with "osc ls" :) | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | gitweb.merproject.org too :P | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | and mer/project-core -> packages.xml | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | if you want the raw data | 18:38 |
| kulve | rawer the better :) | 18:39 |
| kulve | thanks | 18:39 |
| kulve | I'll try to spent couple of more minutes with that | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | karlzero: so did it help answer your questions a bit? :) | 18:48 |
| karlzero | Yes, absolutely. Thanks for taking the time to answer. | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to hang around and participate or ask questions at any time | 18:50 |
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| karlzero | I used to use a n900 but it broke and kind of forced me to android. Everything feels strange and backwards. Why did they use bionic? Was it some kind of licensing issue? Anyway, Ill stick around here, maybe Ill learn something :) | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | karlzero: probably because of big gpl scare.. etc | 18:59 |
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