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| deztructor | gm | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | morn, zzz | 06:55 |
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| situ | Morning everyone | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | morn situ | 07:05 |
| iekku | morning | 07:08 |
| * iekku offers coffee pan to Stskeeps | 07:09 | |
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| * Stskeeps is having coffee, -and- pancakes today | 07:09 | |
| iekku | mmmmmmm, pancakes | 07:12 |
| * iekku starts to plan how to get those | 07:12 | |
| * cat1 wonders who can cook pancakes these early hours.. | 07:12 | |
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| iekku | cat1, i went ones to make some coffee for me immediately after i wake up. 40 minutes later i realized that i'm having first cup of coffee and there's pancake at oven... | 07:13 |
| iekku | not really having any memory of making it | 07:14 |
| cat1 | iekku: hmm.. nice anyway :) | 07:14 |
| iekku | and it was one of best i have ever made :D | 07:15 |
| cat1 | i wonder if i should wait for 40 mins from now on and then go and check oven ;) | 07:15 |
| * cat1 dream of self-cooking pancakes.. | 07:16 | |
| iekku | :D | 07:16 |
| iekku | business idea, indeed | 07:16 |
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| vgrade | nice Pi demo, http://kgronholm.blogspot.fi/2012/09/qt5-raspberry-pi.html | 07:46 |
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| Stskeeps | morn veskuh | 07:49 |
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| veskuh | morn Stskeeps | 07:49 |
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| Bostik | ah, Kaitsu hacking on qt5 again | 07:56 |
| Bostik | neat | 07:56 |
| * Stskeeps thinks he met kaitsu a couple of years back, though not sure | 07:57 | |
| Stskeeps | there's two gronholms surrounding the qt/maemo stuff so :P | 07:57 |
| Bostik | oh? | 08:02 |
| Bostik | ah yes, both of them apparently | 08:02 |
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| kulve | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3ARaspberryPi | 08:07 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: fwiw, the only reason i'm not yet switching to armv6hl only, is because of potential armv6 handsets that might be interesting with libhybris | 08:16 |
| kulve | would it be too much to keep both? | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | at the moment, yeah | 08:16 |
| kulve | ok | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | we're running a little low on CI capacity so | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | and if we do a port, it stays stable | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: prerelease please | 08:17 |
| kulve | going armv6hl only would be bad for those that have proprietary binaries for softfp only but I'm not sure if there are any.. | 08:17 |
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| Stskeeps | there is on android side | 08:18 |
| kulve | is there some simple or preferably simple and good looking gles demo that runs well on RPi? Something that could be added to default RPi image to verify that the gles is working? | 08:24 |
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| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/glestest-nox11.cc | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | and adjust it to the r-pi | 08:26 |
| cybette | http://www.picbadges.com/i-love-jolla/2639957/ | 08:30 |
| cybette | oops | 08:32 |
| dm8tbr | cybette: btw, are you now the jolla-bunny? :) | 08:32 |
| cybette | dm8tbr: yes, great idea :D | 08:32 |
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| iekku | :) | 08:34 |
| dm8tbr | bunnies, badgers, what next? :) | 08:38 |
| cybette | kittens | 08:39 |
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| dm8tbr | right, for adorability++ | 08:39 |
| iekku | zoo | 08:40 |
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| Stskeeps | morn fk_lx | 09:20 |
| fk_lx | hi Stskeeps | 09:20 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: how's going? | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | going good.. visiting a new danish food resturant in warsaw today | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | did you see my latest exploits in fighting the future? | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hvRP3rcF9o | 09:22 |
| kulve | hmm.. how should I package gst-omx? There's no dist tarballs of it and the source tree needs autogen to be run. And the autogen wants to download stuff with git.. | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: %reconfigure and wth @ download stuff with git | 09:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: BTW, forget to ask: 60FPS ? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: 60fps. | 09:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: any known bugs and stuff that are unsupported ? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: probably a bunch of stuff | 09:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: :D | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: but this is already miles ahead of what was considered possible a month ago | 09:24 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: nice, all that work you put in libhybris is really impressive | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: i'm still surprised nobody has really given it a try before | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | it's really low hanging fruit | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:29 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 09:30 |
| fk_lx | low hanging fruits are sometimes really hard to notice | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:32 |
| fk_lx | btw. does it makes sense to run Mer on N810 (from performance point of view, because from ideological point of view it always makes sense :-)) | 09:33 |
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| Stskeeps | it doesn't really.. the kernel side is a bit quirky | 09:33 |
| fk_lx | because I still have old N810's on my university and I was wondering how they can be still useful | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | they make for excellent internet radios | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:34 |
| fk_lx | and photo frames | 09:34 |
| fk_lx | I know that | 09:34 |
| fk_lx | but I'm thinking about some way I could use them for laboratories | 09:35 |
| fk_lx | they were quite useful long time ago to teach Maemo 4 programming | 09:36 |
| fk_lx | but for last two years they are not used | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | they're probably still good but .. just difficult to deal with | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | and time wise it makes more sense to invest into a n900 | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | or n950/n9 | 09:39 |
| fk_lx | they are still good, because from technical point of view they work | 09:41 |
| fk_lx | but in reality they are close in the cupboard | 09:42 |
| fk_lx | *closed | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | well, if anybody ever wants to get into kernel hacking and trying out systems on a device | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | they're pretty good | 09:43 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 09:43 |
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| fk_lx | Stskeeps: it is written that Mer wiki uses the same user/pass like Mer project bugzilla, but it doesn't seem to work for me | 10:07 |
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| Stskeeps | should work | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | username not email | 10:08 |
| fk_lx | I've tried both ways | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 10:10 |
| fk_lx | I've created account just a couple minutes ago | 10:10 |
| fk_lx | I can log in to bugzilla without problems | 10:11 |
| fk_lx | but for some reasons I fail to log to wiki (I've tried both e-mail, username) | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | lbt might know | 10:11 |
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| fk_lx | Stskeeps: it's not so important at the moment, I've only found one small bug in the wiki, while reading it | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | feel fere to fix it too | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:13 |
| fk_lx | hmm, maybe it needs some time to sync my account from bugzilla with the wiki | 10:16 |
| fk_lx | then I will be able to log in | 10:16 |
| fk_lx | just guessing :-D | 10:16 |
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| lbt | morning all | 10:51 |
| phaeron1 | morning | 10:53 |
| lbt | fk_lx: it syncs every 10m iirc | 10:53 |
| lbt | hey phaeron1 | 10:53 |
| phaeron1 | hello | 10:53 |
| * phaeron1 apologizes to lbt for making him a punching bag | 10:53 | |
| lbt | hey. - so long as I'm useful | 10:54 |
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| phaeron1 | yeah what are friends for :D | 10:54 |
| lbt | *g* | 10:54 |
| lbt | slightly knackered today ... Tango 'til 2am then tidy up and then cat medication to 4am ... | 10:55 |
| lbt | zzzzz | 10:55 |
| lbt | so ... more on quickbuild today | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: prerelease please | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | as well | 10:59 |
| lbt | OK | 10:59 |
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| phaeron1 | lbt: I gave a one line to w00t to do the builddep installing in his approach | 11:04 |
| phaeron1 | but according to benchmarks both approaches are the almost the same performance wise | 11:04 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: planning to upgrade gst to 0.10.36? :) | 11:05 |
| lbt | yeah - I'm wondering what to work on in that area - I'm loathe to spend time making the tarball in git approach automated | 11:05 |
| lbt | no one uses gitpkg | 11:05 |
| kulve | looks like the RPi gst-omx needs gstaudioencoder.h that's not in 0.10.35 but in 0.10.36.. | 11:05 |
| phaeron1 | it's just that there are 10 types of people : those who like to start from obs and those who don't :D | 11:05 |
| lbt | companies have their own internal way and don't want gitpkg | 11:05 |
| lbt | so... | 11:05 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: what happened to server side git_pkg | 11:06 |
| lbt | well, I was going to do quickbuild first but maybe I should defer it | 11:06 |
| phaeron1 | I don't know .. your call | 11:07 |
| * lbt has lost the wiki | 11:07 | |
| Stskeeps | quickbuild makes a lot of sense still | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | though i don't know lbt's list of tasks to help prioritise | 11:12 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: atm it's useable by anyone with some common sense... the next step is to do autodetection of package, parse the spec to identify the -n <src> value for rsync, write an osc module to save typing 15 chars... that kind of thing | 11:13 |
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| lbt | "osc build -o --rebuild --rsync-src=qtwebkit-2.2.1-source --rsync-dest=/home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/qtwebkit-2.2.1-source Core_armv7hl armv8el" | 11:14 |
| lbt | is quickbuild... | 11:14 |
| lbt | it doesn't force any particular unpack for the git tree | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | :nod; | 11:15 |
| lbt | we *could* mandate that the tree is in ./ and named the same as the rpmbuild/ target | 11:15 |
| lbt | and actually maybe we do that... "here's a script that works for these conditions" | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | well, remember that our tools doesn't necessarily need to work for all cases | 11:15 |
| lbt | just thinking 80/20 rule | 11:15 |
| kulve | how can I list mer core packages with osc through cobs? I always forget the right paths.. | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | osc ls Mer:MDS:Core:i586 | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | for example | 11:17 |
| kulve | ah, yes, forgot the Core there in between | 11:17 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: a useful thing would be a way to prefill osc build cache poperly so -o works more often than not | 11:24 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: osc build manages the build root by removing / installing packages based on calculated builddep. that's good. with a cached builddep and buildconfig and prefilled cache (/var/cache/osc-something) it would be equivalent to monolithic pregenerated sb2 rootfs | 11:25 |
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| lbt | phaeron1: just trying to fix ldap issue | 11:31 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: no problem was just thinking out loud | 11:31 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: ping | 11:34 |
| lbt | X-Fade: ping | 11:34 |
| dm8tbr | hm? | 11:34 |
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| kulve | gst-plugins-base uses --with-audioresample-format=float for armv7 and int for armv5 but nothing for armv6 | 11:54 |
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| kulve | related to my earlier question about gst version: gstreamer in core seems to be already 0.10.36 but gst-plugins-base was still 0.10.35 | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to patch | 13:08 |
| kulve | you mean that armv6 thing? I'm not sure what's the correct solution.. | 13:09 |
| lbt | grumble ... wiki doesn't allow usernames with _ in them | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | fun | 13:11 |
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| fk_lx | I can change my username for the mer project :-D | 13:21 |
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| lbt | yeah - OK | 13:27 |
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| lbt | fk_lx: I've made you fk-lx in LDAP | 13:28 |
| lbt | can you log a bug too :) I think the wiki munge also uppercases username | 13:29 |
| fk_lx | lbt: will try to, I've wanted to have an account on wiki to solve a bug, but along the way we discovered another - what a productive day ;-) | 13:30 |
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| lbt | *g* yeah ... shit happens | 13:30 |
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| * Stskeeps brews on llvm 3.1 and mesa with fbdev and wayland backend | 14:11 | |
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| rcg | hmm.. just took my old pc apart in order to upgrade the graphics card.. turns out the motor of the ventilator of the old one is completely burned O_O | 14:20 |
| rcg | burned as in black as coal | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | nice | 14:21 |
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| rcg | even the sticke on | 14:23 |
| rcg | err | 14:23 |
| rcg | even the sticker on top of the fan kinda melted away | 14:23 |
| kulve | cristi: I'll try to get the gst (encoding) working on the RPi (eventually). Feel free to push Qt stuff in there :) | 14:26 |
| kulve | although I guess the GLES is the first thing. Would be nice to get some basic GLESv2 application running first. Something that people could try it first to see if the 3D is working at all | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | i think the way forward may be to do a custom build of the eglfs module in qt5 alone that is linking with vcos and handles dispman and such | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | capisce: would that be feasible? a out-of-qtbase-build eglfs build? | 14:39 |
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| Stskeeps | hello Superpelican | 14:48 |
| * Stskeeps gets confused about where actually the dispman code is | 14:48 | |
| rcg | http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/3021/qt9h8ytz_jpg.htm | 14:50 |
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| Stskeeps | rcg: what's that? | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | looks suspicious, so have to ask | 14:55 |
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| Superpelican | My I ask a question about the Mer project? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | of course :) | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | at all times | 14:57 |
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| Superpelican | I have read about the upcoming Jolla phone. And am interested in buying one. I would like to developed apps for it in Python. | 14:58 |
| Superpelican | My question is: is python 3 available in Mer? | 14:58 |
| Superpelican | As I'm currently learning Python 3 | 14:58 |
| Superpelican | I've so far only seen just "python" been mentioned | 14:59 |
| Superpelican | Because Jolla said that there OS will be based of the Mer project | 14:59 |
| Superpelican | They said Python is available in Mer | 15:00 |
| Superpelican | But didn't mention Python 3 | 15:00 |
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| rcg | Stskeeps, that's the burned fan after i took the thing apart | 15:03 |
| rcg | actually, taking the thing apart was easy as, as a result of the fire(?), the whole thing was loose anyhow | 15:04 |
| capisce | Stskeeps: yes, like the out-of-qtbase wayland plugin :) | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | Superpelican: right now python is python 2.7 in mer | 15:06 |
| Superpelican | So no "python3" package available also? | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | not at the moment, but you're welcome to contribute it | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:06 |
| Superpelican | Okay, I'll check the wiki | 15:07 |
| Superpelican | Than this will be the first time I contribute to an open source project! :-D | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | did you check out pside? | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | pyside | 15:09 |
| Superpelican | Yes | 15:09 |
| Superpelican | I'm aware of Pyside | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: i'm doing work on wayland and qml compositor at the moment, it'll probably go nicely together with r-pi adaptation as well | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | as an example of a adaptation | 15:10 |
| Superpelican | I currently own an Android phone, but never started developing apps for it because I don't like Java. One of the biggest appeals of the upcoming Jolla phone/Mer/Meego is that they (will) have great support for Python | 15:10 |
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| Superpelican | So I'll try to teach myself how to contribute packages to an open source project | 15:11 |
| Superpelican | Have never compiled a program (except for "hello world" in C :P | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, good luck then :) | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | start out with small tasks | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | and go higher | 15:11 |
| Superpelican | Thanks! :) | 15:13 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: looks like there's no X.Org hw accleration and I don't see why there would be any in the near future either. So wayland would be nice :) | 15:13 |
| kulve | and I haven't ever tried it yet | 15:13 |
| Superpelican | I'm using Ubuntu (deb-based), so do you recommend me to use a virtual machine with openSUSE or Fedora (RPM-based) to build RPMs for Mer? | 15:14 |
| kulve | mer SDK | 15:14 |
| Superpelican | Or will I be fine installing RPM on Ubuntu? | 15:14 |
| kulve | it doesn't really care about the host OS | 15:14 |
| kulve | (or host Linux distro) | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | I know, SL4A | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | But you can't use PySide | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | you can install it, afaik | 15:15 |
| rcg | bbl | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | And SL4A will never be as nice and fast as real Python :) | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | but it's better to play with pyside on a 'device' | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | ie, a VM or a device | 15:16 |
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| Superpelican | Currently checking out http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | you're a bit off course | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.merproject.org and under, wiki.maemo.org is 'old' mer | 15:18 |
| Superpelican | Oh, I understand | 15:18 |
| Superpelican | Strange that know one came up with the idea to compile Python 3 for Meego | 15:19 |
| Superpelican | *no one | 15:19 |
| fk_lx | Python 3.x is much less popular than Python 2.x | 15:19 |
| fk_lx | probably that's the reason | 15:19 |
| Superpelican | So I can't just download a .rpm python 3 package from the Fedora or openSUSE repo's and upload it and it install it on a Mer device? | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | you need to build it yourself | 15:21 |
| Superpelican | How can I compile for ARM on a X86 computer? I've heard of crosscompiling but don't know how it works and I've heard it's a lot more complicated | 15:21 |
| kulve | Mer SDK does tricks to handle that | 15:22 |
| lbt | I hate 1&1 so very, very much | 15:22 |
| kulve | 1&1? | 15:23 |
| Superpelican | So I just have to download Mer SDK? | 15:23 |
| kulve | check the URL Stskeeps pasted | 15:23 |
| Superpelican | Does Mer SDK also contain an emulator | 15:23 |
| kulve | it's not trivial but not really hard either | 15:23 |
| kulve | no | 15:23 |
| lbt | kulve: DNS registrar who should be burned from the face of the planet | 15:23 |
| Superpelican | Is there a way to run Nemo Mobile for example on a X86 computer? | 15:24 |
| kulve | lbt: well, good that I've never heard about them :) | 15:24 |
| Superpelican | You can't use Virtualbox to run ARM software, can you? | 15:24 |
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| kulve | There is a way to run x86 nemo on x86. That' might have been virtualbox. I haven't tried it | 15:25 |
| Superpelican | So I should use the platform SDK? | 15:25 |
| Superpelican | The Application SDK is only for developing Qt apps for Mer? | 15:26 |
| kulve | I'm not sure if application sdk exists for mer at all or was it only MeeGo stuff.. | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | no such thing | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | as we have no common app story | 15:26 |
| Superpelican | So first I should download Python 3 source from www.python.org? | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | right | 15:28 |
| kulve | could there be a starting point in opensuses? | 15:28 |
| kulve | -s | 15:28 |
| Superpelican | I've found this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Linux_Host | 15:28 |
| Superpelican | Seems like that's the way to install Nemo Mobile in Virtualbox | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:29 |
| Superpelican | That's to easy! ;-) | 15:29 |
| Superpelican | Virtualbox doesn't seem to support .imgs | 15:33 |
| Superpelican | Is there a way I can convert .img to .iso? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | rename it to .iso | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | (not kidding) | 15:36 |
| Superpelican | Booting :-D | 15:38 |
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| fk_lx | btw. is there still an issue with the screen going black when on-screen keyboard should appear? | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes but a workaround exists | 15:42 |
| Superpelican | Yes | 15:42 |
| Superpelican | I just openend the Mer browser but the screen turns black | 15:43 |
| Superpelican | When I tried to enter an adress | 15:43 |
| Superpelican | Same when I openend the terminal | 15:43 |
| Superpelican | So you don't install Mer? | 15:43 |
| Superpelican | But just boot the .iso every time? | 15:43 |
| Mariusmssj | Hello and sorry interupting, first time using IRC, But I got a question about N9/N950 Kernel update project. Does anyone knowho is leading that project? Thank you | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | host key, alt f2 | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | Mariusmssj: the people involved? | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | many of us has interest in a better kernel on that device | 15:44 |
| Mariusmssj | I see, so where should people contribute their knowledge? | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | on wiki or irc i guess | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | mon-fri usually good, european time | 15:45 |
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| Mariusmssj | Ok, I made an info thread on TMO about this project just wasn't sure myself how people actually contributed | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | through code :) | 15:47 |
| Mariusmssj | Would it be ok if posted this channel as means of contact on my info thread post? | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:48 |
| Mariusmssj | Thank you, I really don't know much about but I want to help, so i though i'll help by spreading the word and trying to get more people involved | 15:50 |
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| Superpelican | CTRL+Alt+F2 didn't help | 15:50 |
| Superpelican | It gave me another black screen | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | look what your host key is set to | 15:50 |
| Superpelican | It changed my system to CLI :-( | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | host alt f2 | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | in virtualbox | 15:51 |
| Superpelican | I thought ctrl was my host key | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | bad choice for one | 15:52 |
| Superpelican | Turns out Right Ctrl is my host key ;-) | 15:52 |
| Superpelican | What does hostkey+alt+f2 exactly do? | 15:53 |
| Superpelican | How does it get out of the black screen in the VM? | 15:53 |
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| Mariusmssj | does anyone mind if i ask some possibly stupid questions? | 16:07 |
| Bostik | go ahead | 16:07 |
| Bostik | ask anything you want, get answered anything _we_ want | 16:07 |
| Mariusmssj | one of the people on the thread said this "May I suggest simply running patch -p1 < nokia-harmattan.diff and catching the (extremely large) number of rejects? " | 16:08 |
| Mariusmssj | can anyone explain what that means? | 16:08 |
| Mariusmssj | subject: N9/N950 Kernel update project | 16:09 |
| Bostik | Mariusmssj: "patch reject" is a part of a patch which fails to apply (because the context has changed or the surroundings are no longer there) | 16:10 |
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| Bostik | Mariusmssj: so someone advocated more or less a brute-force approach; find out which sections still apply cleanly and then "deal with rejects", which means that each failed section is then manually inspected, updated and hopefully fixed | 16:11 |
| Mariusmssj | I see, thank :) I do know C and C++ and i really want to get into open source software ever since I got N9. I began to see the shortcoming of proprietary software | 16:12 |
| Mariusmssj | and thus slowly starting to use Debian and Ubuntu | 16:12 |
| Mariusmssj | i would like to help out but i honestly don't have a smallest clue where to start | 16:13 |
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| Bostik | in that case, feel free to stick around | 16:14 |
| Bostik | when you see something that you feel you might be interested to help in... | 16:14 |
| Mariusmssj | is there small things i could start off with? like what environments would be best to use? Ubuntu, debian, gentoo? | 16:15 |
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| Superpelican | right ctrl+alt+f2 also dropped my system to CLI mode :( | 16:16 |
| Bostik | any of those will do, mer SDK is effectively a small, chrooted rpm-distro which works regardless of what your host distro is | 16:17 |
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| Superpelican | Isn't there an alternative way to do the thing right ctrl+alt+f2 does? | 16:17 |
| Mariusmssj | i assume the update is moving towards the 3.5.4 kernel? | 16:20 |
| Bostik | I'll let someone more knowledgeable answer that one :) | 16:20 |
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| Mariusmssj | some of the stuff suggest 3.5.3 https://gitorious.org/mer-n9-kernel/mer-n9-kernel/commit/7ed0b297185497c4015921a92aed9ee90dce6fde | 16:23 |
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| Superpelican | I'm running curl as https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK describes | 16:23 |
| Superpelican | How long does it take to complete the curl operation? | 16:23 |
| Superpelican | approximately? | 16:24 |
| Superpelican | Curl downloads files to your computer, right? | 16:25 |
| Superpelican | Where does it leave those files? | 16:25 |
| Superpelican | Well this time I just downloaded the SDK with Firefox, but I would like to know where curl has stored the files it was downloading. I don't want my system to get full of stuff I don't use | 16:29 |
| Superpelican | Also how do I get out of the black screen in Virtualbox? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | swipe from bottom | 16:32 |
| Superpelican | OK, thanks :) | 16:32 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps: you said there was a workaround for the blackscreen problem in the Nemo Mobile image, what is the workaround? | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | i'm on the move atm, will answer later | 16:39 |
| Superpelican | Sorry for bothering you ;-) | 16:40 |
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| Mariusmssj | was nice talking to you guys, i'll definitely come back again. take care everyone | 16:47 |
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| Superpelican | Got the SDK running! :) | 16:48 |
| Superpelican | Very easy instructions on wiki.merproject.org! Thanks everyone! | 16:48 |
| lbt | Superpelican: good to hear, thanks for the feedback there | 16:51 |
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| Superpelican | Well now I've got the SDK running, but how do I start building packages for the Mer Project? | 16:58 |
| Superpelican | I have already downloaded the Python source | 16:58 |
| Superpelican | Can anyone tell me how to compile and build the python source and upload it to the Mer repo's? | 17:01 |
| Superpelican | On the mer wiki I can only find information about how to build Mer images | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | Superpelican: well, try to build it in the sdk in general | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | like, how you'd build sw | 17:11 |
| Superpelican | But where should I start? | 17:11 |
| Superpelican | Setting up sb2? | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | that's one way, or just straight in the sdk | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo javispedro | 17:12 |
| Superpelican | So you don't need to set up Scratchbox2 in the SDK? | 17:13 |
| Superpelican | It's already set up for you? | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | nah, you do, but for x86 you don't atm | 17:13 |
| Superpelican | But if I want to build for ARMv7? | 17:14 |
| Superpelican | I'm currently reading https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | then you need sb2 | 17:14 |
| Superpelican | So how do I set up sb2? | 17:15 |
| Superpelican | Should I first create a target like the first chapter of https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 says? | 17:17 |
| Superpelican | When I ran "sudo mic create fs mer-core-armv7hl-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks -o /parentroot/srv/mer/targets --pkgmgr=yum --arch armv7hl" it gives an error: | 17:19 |
| Superpelican | It says no provider of modprobe found? | 17:19 |
| Superpelican | I tried to install modprobe | 17:19 |
| Superpelican | And then it gives me the previously mentioned error | 17:20 |
| Superpelican | "sudo mic create fs mer-core-armv7hl-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks -o /parentroot/srv/mer/targets --pkgmgr=yum --arch armv7hl" gives me this error: Error <creator>: Command 'modprobe' is not available. | 17:22 |
| Superpelican | Should I install one of the patterns for development first? | 17:23 |
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| lbt | Superpelican: there are some notes on that in https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Building_an_image | 17:23 |
| Superpelican | Thanks ;) Going to try it! | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: how did prerelease go? | 17:25 |
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| lbt | damn it | 17:29 |
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| Stskeeps | i assume not good :) | 17:29 |
| * Stskeeps passes lbt tea and biscuits | 17:29 | |
| lbt | I just forgot to push "go" | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | no worries | 17:30 |
| lbt | my fault - got caught in LDAP and 1&1 DNS issues all day | 17:30 |
| lbt | running now | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | is our DNS going to go south while you're abroad? | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:30 |
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| lbt | it's fine I'll be south too | 17:31 |
| situ | Stskeeps: Hey | 17:31 |
| lbt | I'll watch for it whizzing past | 17:31 |
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| Stskeeps | evening situ | 17:32 |
| situ | What's up ? | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | not much.. i'm discovering fun things about %dir in rpm packaging | 17:32 |
| situ | I hope that would save some time while writing spec files. | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's more like, making sure the dirs are there, too | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | it turns out that some parts of the qt build infra kind of relies on some dirs being there | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | or it'll blow up in flames | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:34 |
| situ | Is it a problem only with beta release ? | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | i think it's just gotten more clearer when i started trying to build stuff on top of it | 17:37 |
| * Stskeeps discovers his cable TV offers free concerts on demand, nice | 17:39 | |
| fw190 | helo | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | heya fw190 | 17:40 |
| fw190 | long time no see ;) | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | how are things? | 17:40 |
| fw190 | ok moving forward | 17:40 |
| fw190 | slowly but forward | 17:40 |
| fw190 | is mer and jolla rpm or deb | 17:41 |
| fw190 | ? | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | rpm | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | mer's rpm | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:41 |
| fw190 | ah so it would be better to run a rpm based system on my PC? | 17:42 |
| fw190 | or I'm wrong? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't matter | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | our sdk really doesn't care | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | as long as it's not windows | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:43 |
| fw190 | hahahha | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | or macos x | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | or beos.. | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, you get the point | 17:43 |
| fw190 | I'm an end user | 17:43 |
| fw190 | ;) | 17:43 |
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| fw190 | and just thinking about cjanging ships from Ubuntu | 17:43 |
| fw190 | changing | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | i use fedora myself but i am considering to completely reinstall my setup by now | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | and not because of fedora | 17:44 |
| fw190 | Stskeeps: last week I was in Warsaw for a few hours - the TV is ot showing the truth ;) | 17:45 |
| fw190 | driving aws easy | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | i passed my theoretical test, that thing is riddled with so many english grammatical mistakes.. | 17:46 |
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| fw190 | damn I make so many mistakes - this English thingi isn't easy | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | well, i failed with 5 mistakes at first try, then 2 and i passed :P | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | let me know if you ever come by warsaw and let's have a beer or a cup of coffee :) | 17:47 |
| fw190 | I was just helping my friend to bring stuff from Poznan to Warsaw | 17:48 |
| fw190 | so I was 30min there and went home ;) | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | at least the highway is a lot easier now.. | 17:49 |
| fw190 | highway is for rich people | 17:50 |
| fw190 | I use te old 2 | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:51 |
| fw190 | now when we hve the highway it is empty ;) | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | driving from warsaw to denmark through old 2 made me accept that i'll die at some point | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | with all the trucks.. and crazy drivers | 17:52 |
| fw190 | hmmm the forst road for me in Poland is the one to my hometown | 17:52 |
| fw190 | from Poznan to Międzychód | 17:52 |
| fw190 | this is a killer | 17:52 |
| fw190 | each trip means 203 situations when I say goodby to my life ;) | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: MDS's officially too slow now.. it really needs to be speeded up somehow | 17:53 |
| fw190 | but hey - I'm going to my parents so I have to give it a try | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | or me profiling what's wrong | 17:53 |
| lbt | OK | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | it takes ~2.98s to make a package lookup | 17:56 |
| lbt | ouch | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | which doesn't make any kind of sense | 17:56 |
| lbt | git pack? | 17:57 |
| lbt | I have no clue how the code in there works | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | well it should be faster since all that gets cached | 17:57 |
| lbt | I've been saving that particular treat for a day when I hear bluebirds tweeting and can minimise the likelyhood of wrist-slitting | 17:57 |
| lbt | bbiab ... coooking :) | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | anybody know any good python profiling tools? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:58 |
| Bostik | um, python -c cProfile script.py ? | 18:01 |
| Bostik | sorry, -m :) | 18:03 |
| * Stskeeps guesses its' a good idea to work on gitmds2 then.. | 18:04 | |
| Superpelican | Running: "sb2-init -d -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -c /usr/bin/qemu-arm-dynamic -m sdk-build -n -N -t / mer-core /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc" as https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK says gives me the error that "/opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc" does not exist :( | 18:07 |
| Superpelican | I have installed the gcc crosscompilation pattern | 18:07 |
| Superpelican | I have to leave... :-( | 18:12 |
| Superpelican | I'll certainly come back when I have time! ;) | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | hello erchie | 18:45 |
| erchie | hey | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | welcome to #mer :) so what brings you here? | 18:47 |
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| Stskeeps | morn ljp | 19:11 |
| ljp | hello | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | having a good weekend so far? | 19:11 |
| ljp | hmm.. well.. doesnt really seem like a weekend anymore. :) | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:12 |
| ljp | or, rather.. it;s still a weekend | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | longest weekend ever | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:12 |
| ljp | well.. not ever, but for a very long time, ya | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'm having fun with qt5 packaging and learning new things about qmake behaviour i never wanted to know | 19:12 |
| ljp | ya, I wish someone would actively work on qmake | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | starting slow work on qt5 based stack | 19:13 |
| ljp | fun | 19:13 |
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| ljp | I can guarantee it wont be as challenging as porting qtopia from qt2 to qt4 :) | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | it's not yet on levels of having to find out why fennec bursts into flames, correct | 19:17 |
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| ljp | what timeframe are you looking at mer/nemo updating to qt5? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'm going for dual stack for the while being, but generally the plan is to by next week have a virtual machine up with qml compositor, wayland, llvmpipe, booting with systemd user sessions | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | this will hopefully be met already monday | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | potentially looking into this running on r-pi too | 20:16 |
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| mikhas | what is the other version of Qt you aim to support? | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | qt4.8.2 we can't do away with for now | 20:33 |
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| Stskeeps | and others depend on it, so i do qt5 work for a different path | 20:34 |
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| mikhas | Sounds like a reasonable choice, TBH. | 20:51 |
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| * ljp puts meego sensors plugin port on his agenda | 20:51 | |
| Stskeeps | just looking forward to see how much can be reused.. | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | and how much will just break apart | 20:53 |
| ljp | sensors should be fairly straight forward | 20:53 |
| ljp | although the qml api will be changing soon in qt5 | 20:54 |
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| mikhas | hooray for API breakage | 21:00 |
| mikhas | ljp, sounds like that comes too late, no? | 21:00 |
| mikhas | *beta* is already out, next beta to be released soon | 21:00 |
| ljp | it really needs fixing. sensors is an add-on. Lars and the only platform current;y supported by qt5 sensors is rim, and they all agreed it needs fixing | 21:01 |
| ljp | code is just getting cleaned up | 21:01 |
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| w00t | sensible choice | 21:02 |
| w00t | i think a lot of the addons were a bit rushed in terms of API | 21:02 |
| w00t | at least that's the way it feels from looking around them | 21:02 |
| ljp | the c++ API isnt changing, only the fugly qml | 21:02 |
| w00t | ah, was that the commit completely changing the way they work, seperating it from the C++ APIs? | 21:03 |
| w00t | i seem to remember seeing something like that hit gerrit recentish | 21:03 |
| ljp | there are several commits to this, but yes | 21:03 |
| * ljp enjoys creators 'refactor' features | 21:08 | |
| mikhas | ah, so only an not-much used add-on, I'll ignore the breakage then ;-) | 21:09 |
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| ljp | well. not entirely ignore. we all knew the API sucked | 21:10 |
| ljp | plans were to fix it. some nokia internal project interfered with the resources to fix it | 21:10 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 21:12 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: btw .... release is importing to cobs | 23:51 |
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