Saturday, 2012-09-22

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iekkumorning04:50
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Bostikmorning05:35
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deztructorgm06:50
Stskeepsmorn, zzz06:55
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situMorning everyone07:04
Stskeepsmorn situ07:05
iekkumorning07:08
* iekku offers coffee pan to Stskeeps 07:09
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* Stskeeps is having coffee, -and- pancakes today07:09
iekkummmmmmm, pancakes07:12
* iekku starts to plan how to get those07:12
* cat1 wonders who can cook pancakes these early hours..07:12
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iekkucat1, i went ones to make some coffee for me immediately after i wake up. 40 minutes later i realized that i'm having first cup of coffee and there's pancake at oven...07:13
iekkunot really having any memory of making it07:14
cat1iekku: hmm.. nice anyway :)07:14
iekkuand it was one of best i have ever made :D07:15
cat1i wonder if i should wait for 40 mins from now on and then go and check oven ;)07:15
* cat1 dream of self-cooking pancakes..07:16
iekku:D07:16
iekkubusiness idea, indeed07:16
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vgradenice Pi demo, http://kgronholm.blogspot.fi/2012/09/qt5-raspberry-pi.html07:46
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Stskeepsmorn veskuh07:49
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veskuhmorn Stskeeps07:49
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Bostikah, Kaitsu hacking on qt5 again07:56
Bostikneat07:56
* Stskeeps thinks he met kaitsu a couple of years back, though not sure07:57
Stskeepsthere's two gronholms surrounding the qt/maemo stuff so :P07:57
Bostikoh?08:02
Bostikah yes, both of them apparently08:02
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kulvehttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3ARaspberryPi08:07
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Stskeepskulve: fwiw, the only reason i'm not yet switching to armv6hl only, is because of potential armv6 handsets that might be interesting with libhybris08:16
kulvewould it be too much to keep both?08:16
Stskeepsat the moment, yeah08:16
kulveok08:16
Stskeepswe're running a little low on CI capacity so08:16
Stskeepsand if we do a port, it stays stable08:17
Stskeepslbt: prerelease please08:17
kulvegoing armv6hl only would be bad for those that have proprietary binaries for softfp only but I'm not sure if there are any..08:17
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Stskeepsthere is on android side08:18
kulveis there some simple or preferably simple and good looking gles demo that runs well on RPi? Something that could be added to default RPi image to verify that the gles is working?08:24
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Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/glestest-nox11.cc08:26
Stskeepsand adjust it to the r-pi08:26
cybette http://www.picbadges.com/i-love-jolla/2639957/08:30
cybetteoops08:32
dm8tbrcybette: btw, are you now the jolla-bunny? :)08:32
cybettedm8tbr: yes, great idea :D08:32
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iekku:)08:34
dm8tbrbunnies, badgers, what next? :)08:38
cybettekittens08:39
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dm8tbrright, for adorability++08:39
iekkuzoo08:40
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Stskeepsmorn fk_lx09:20
fk_lxhi Stskeeps09:20
fk_lxStskeeps: how's going?09:21
Stskeepsgoing good.. visiting a new danish food resturant in warsaw today09:21
Stskeepsdid you see my latest exploits in fighting the future?09:22
Stskeepshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hvRP3rcF9o09:22
kulvehmm.. how should I package gst-omx? There's no dist tarballs of it and the source tree needs autogen to be run. And the autogen wants to download stuff with git..09:23
Stskeepskulve: %reconfigure and wth @ download stuff with git09:23
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: BTW, forget to ask: 60FPS ?09:23
Stskeeps:P09:23
StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: 60fps.09:23
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: any known bugs and stuff that are unsupported ?09:23
StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: probably a bunch of stuff09:24
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: :D09:24
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StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: but this is already miles ahead of what was considered possible a month ago09:24
fk_lxStskeeps: nice, all that work you put in libhybris is really impressive09:27
Stskeepsfk_lx: i'm still surprised nobody has really given it a try before09:29
Stskeepsit's really low hanging fruit09:29
Stskeeps:P09:29
fk_lx:-)09:30
fk_lxlow hanging fruits are sometimes really hard to notice09:31
Stskeepsyeah09:32
fk_lxbtw. does it makes sense to run Mer on N810 (from performance point of view, because from ideological point of view it always makes sense :-))09:33
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Stskeepsit doesn't really.. the kernel side is a bit quirky09:33
fk_lxbecause I still have old N810's on my university and I was wondering how they can be still useful09:34
Stskeepsthey make for excellent internet radios09:34
Stskeeps:P09:34
fk_lxand photo frames09:34
fk_lxI know that09:34
fk_lxbut I'm thinking about some way I could use them for laboratories09:35
fk_lxthey were quite useful long time ago to teach Maemo 4 programming09:36
fk_lxbut for last two years they are not used09:37
Stskeepsthey're probably still good but .. just difficult to deal with09:39
Stskeepsand time wise it makes more sense to invest into a n90009:39
Stskeepsor n950/n909:39
fk_lxthey are still good, because from technical point of view they work09:41
fk_lxbut in reality they are close in the cupboard09:42
fk_lx*closed09:42
Stskeepsyeah09:43
Stskeepswell, if anybody ever wants to get into kernel hacking and trying out systems on a device09:43
Stskeepsthey're pretty good09:43
fk_lx:-)09:43
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fk_lxStskeeps: it is written that Mer wiki uses the same user/pass like Mer project bugzilla, but it doesn't seem to work for me10:07
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Stskeepsshould work10:08
Stskeepsusername not email10:08
fk_lxI've tried both ways10:09
Stskeepsodd10:10
fk_lxI've created account just a couple minutes ago10:10
fk_lxI can log in to bugzilla without problems10:11
fk_lxbut for some reasons I fail to log to wiki (I've tried both e-mail, username)10:11
Stskeepshmm10:11
Stskeepslbt might know10:11
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fk_lxStskeeps: it's not so important at the moment, I've only found one small bug in the wiki, while reading it10:12
Stskeepsok10:12
Stskeepsfeel fere to fix it too10:13
Stskeepsah, yeah10:13
Stskeeps:P10:13
fk_lxhmm, maybe it needs some time to sync my account from bugzilla with the wiki10:16
fk_lxthen I will be able to log in10:16
fk_lxjust guessing :-D10:16
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lbtmorning all10:51
phaeron1morning10:53
lbtfk_lx: it syncs every 10m iirc10:53
lbthey phaeron110:53
phaeron1hello10:53
* phaeron1 apologizes to lbt for making him a punching bag10:53
lbthey. - so long as I'm useful10:54
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phaeron1yeah what are friends for :D10:54
lbt*g*10:54
lbtslightly knackered today ... Tango 'til 2am then tidy up and then cat medication to 4am ...10:55
lbtzzzzz10:55
lbtso ... more on quickbuild today10:56
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Stskeepslbt: prerelease please10:59
Stskeepsas well10:59
lbtOK10:59
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phaeron1lbt: I gave a one line to w00t to do the builddep installing in his approach11:04
phaeron1but according to benchmarks both approaches are the almost the same performance wise11:04
kulveStskeeps: planning to upgrade gst to 0.10.36? :)11:05
lbtyeah - I'm wondering what to work on in that area - I'm loathe to spend time making the tarball in git approach automated11:05
lbtno one uses gitpkg11:05
kulvelooks like the RPi gst-omx needs gstaudioencoder.h that's not in 0.10.35 but in 0.10.36..11:05
phaeron1it's just that there are 10 types of people : those who like to start from obs and those who don't :D11:05
lbtcompanies have their own internal way and don't want gitpkg11:05
lbtso...11:05
phaeron1lbt: what happened to server side git_pkg11:06
lbtwell, I was going to do quickbuild first but maybe I should defer it11:06
phaeron1I don't know .. your call11:07
* lbt has lost the wiki11:07
Stskeepsquickbuild makes a lot of sense still11:12
Stskeepsthough i don't know lbt's list of tasks to help prioritise11:12
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lbtStskeeps: atm it's useable by anyone with some common sense... the next step is to do autodetection of package, parse the spec to identify the -n <src> value for rsync, write an osc module to save typing 15 chars... that kind of thing11:13
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lbt"osc build -o --rebuild --rsync-src=qtwebkit-2.2.1-source --rsync-dest=/home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/qtwebkit-2.2.1-source Core_armv7hl  armv8el"11:14
lbtis quickbuild...11:14
lbtit doesn't force any particular unpack for the git tree11:14
Stskeeps:nod;11:15
lbtwe *could* mandate that the tree is in ./ and named the same as the rpmbuild/ target11:15
lbtand actually maybe we do that... "here's a script that works for these conditions"11:15
Stskeepswell, remember that our tools doesn't necessarily need to work for all cases11:15
lbtjust thinking 80/20 rule11:15
kulvehow can I list mer core packages with osc through cobs? I always forget the right paths..11:16
Stskeepsosc ls Mer:MDS:Core:i58611:17
Stskeepsfor example11:17
kulveah, yes, forgot the Core there in between11:17
phaeron1lbt: a useful thing would be a way to prefill osc build cache poperly so -o works more often than not11:24
phaeron1lbt: osc build manages the  build root by removing / installing packages based on calculated builddep. that's good. with a cached builddep and buildconfig and prefilled cache (/var/cache/osc-something) it would be equivalent to monolithic pregenerated sb2 rootfs11:25
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lbtphaeron1: just trying to fix ldap issue11:31
phaeron1lbt: no problem was just thinking out loud11:31
lbtdm8tbr: ping11:34
lbtX-Fade: ping11:34
dm8tbrhm?11:34
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kulvegst-plugins-base uses --with-audioresample-format=float for armv7 and int for armv5 but nothing for armv611:54
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kulverelated to my earlier question about gst version: gstreamer in core seems to be already 0.10.36 but gst-plugins-base was still 0.10.3512:57
Stskeepsah13:08
Stskeepsfeel free to patch13:08
kulveyou mean that armv6 thing? I'm not sure what's the correct solution..13:09
lbtgrumble ... wiki doesn't allow usernames with _ in them13:09
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Stskeepsfun13:11
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fk_lxI can change my username for the mer project :-D13:21
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lbtyeah - OK13:27
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lbtfk_lx: I've made you fk-lx in LDAP13:28
lbtcan you log a bug too :)   I think the wiki munge also uppercases username13:29
fk_lxlbt: will try to, I've wanted to have an account on wiki to solve a bug, but along the way we discovered another - what a productive day ;-)13:30
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lbt*g* yeah ... shit happens13:30
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* Stskeeps brews on llvm 3.1 and mesa with fbdev and wayland backend14:11
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rcghmm.. just took my old pc apart in order to upgrade the graphics card.. turns out the motor of the ventilator of the old one is completely burned O_O14:20
rcgburned as in black as coal14:20
Stskeepsnice14:21
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rcgeven the sticke on14:23
rcgerr14:23
rcgeven the sticker on top of the fan kinda melted away14:23
kulvecristi: I'll try to get the gst (encoding) working on the RPi (eventually). Feel free to push Qt stuff in there :)14:26
kulvealthough I guess the GLES is the first thing. Would be nice to get some basic GLESv2 application running first. Something that people could try it first to see if the 3D is working at all14:28
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Stskeepsi think the way forward may be to do a custom build of the eglfs module in qt5 alone that is linking with vcos and handles dispman and such14:38
Stskeepscapisce: would that be feasible? a out-of-qtbase-build eglfs build?14:39
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Stskeepshello Superpelican14:48
* Stskeeps gets confused about where actually the dispman code is14:48
rcghttp://s1.directupload.net/file/d/3021/qt9h8ytz_jpg.htm14:50
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Stskeepsrcg: what's that?14:55
Stskeepslooks suspicious, so have to ask14:55
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SuperpelicanMy I ask a question about the Mer project?14:56
Stskeepsof course :)14:57
Stskeepsat all times14:57
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SuperpelicanI have read about the upcoming Jolla phone. And am interested in buying one. I would like to developed apps for it in Python.14:58
SuperpelicanMy question is: is python 3 available in Mer?14:58
SuperpelicanAs I'm currently learning Python 314:58
SuperpelicanI've so far only seen just "python" been mentioned14:59
SuperpelicanBecause Jolla said that there OS will be based of the Mer project14:59
SuperpelicanThey said Python is available in Mer15:00
SuperpelicanBut didn't mention Python 315:00
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rcgStskeeps, that's the burned fan after i took the thing apart15:03
rcgactually, taking the thing apart was easy as, as a result of the fire(?), the whole thing was loose anyhow15:04
capisceStskeeps: yes, like the out-of-qtbase wayland plugin :)15:04
StskeepsSuperpelican: right now python is python 2.7 in mer15:06
SuperpelicanSo no "python3" package available also?15:06
Stskeepsnot at the moment, but you're welcome to contribute it15:06
Stskeeps:P15:06
SuperpelicanOkay, I'll check the wiki15:07
SuperpelicanThan this will be the first time I contribute to an open source project! :-D15:07
Stskeepsdid you check out pside?15:09
Stskeepspyside15:09
SuperpelicanYes15:09
SuperpelicanI'm aware of Pyside15:09
Stskeepsk15:09
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Stskeepskulve: i'm doing work on wayland and qml compositor at the moment, it'll probably go nicely together with r-pi adaptation as well15:10
Stskeepsas an example of a adaptation15:10
SuperpelicanI currently own an Android phone, but never started developing apps for it because I don't like Java. One of the biggest appeals of the upcoming Jolla phone/Mer/Meego is that they (will) have great support for Python15:10
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SuperpelicanSo I'll try to teach myself how to contribute packages to an open source project15:11
SuperpelicanHave never compiled a program (except for "hello world" in C :P15:11
Stskeepshehe, good luck then :)15:11
Stskeepsstart out with small tasks15:11
Stskeepsand go higher15:11
SuperpelicanThanks! :)15:13
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kulveStskeeps: looks like there's no X.Org hw accleration and I don't see why there would be any in the near future either. So wayland would be nice :)15:13
kulveand I haven't ever tried it yet15:13
SuperpelicanI'm using Ubuntu (deb-based), so do you recommend me to use a virtual machine with openSUSE or Fedora (RPM-based) to build RPMs for Mer?15:14
kulvemer SDK15:14
SuperpelicanOr will I be fine installing RPM on Ubuntu?15:14
kulveit doesn't really care about the host OS15:14
kulve(or host Linux distro)15:15
Stskeepswiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK15:15
SuperpelicanI know, SL4A15:15
SuperpelicanBut you can't use PySide15:15
Stskeepsyou can install it, afaik15:15
rcgbbl15:15
SuperpelicanAnd SL4A will never be as nice and fast as real Python :)15:15
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Stskeepsbut it's better to play with pyside on a 'device'15:16
Stskeepsie, a VM or a device15:16
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SuperpelicanCurrently checking out http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building15:17
Stskeepsyou're a bit off course15:17
Stskeeps:P15:17
Stskeepswiki.merproject.org and under, wiki.maemo.org is 'old' mer15:18
SuperpelicanOh, I understand15:18
SuperpelicanStrange that know one came up with the idea to compile Python 3 for Meego15:19
Superpelican*no one15:19
fk_lxPython 3.x is much less popular than Python 2.x15:19
fk_lxprobably that's the reason15:19
SuperpelicanSo I can't just download a .rpm python 3 package from the Fedora or openSUSE repo's and upload it and it install it on a Mer device?15:20
Stskeepsnah15:20
Stskeepsyou need to build it yourself15:21
SuperpelicanHow can I compile for ARM on a X86 computer? I've heard of crosscompiling but don't know how it works and I've heard it's a lot more complicated15:21
kulveMer SDK does tricks to handle that15:22
lbtI hate 1&1 so very, very much15:22
kulve1&1?15:23
SuperpelicanSo I just have to download Mer SDK?15:23
kulvecheck the URL Stskeeps pasted15:23
SuperpelicanDoes Mer SDK also contain an emulator15:23
kulveit's not trivial but not really hard either15:23
kulveno15:23
lbtkulve: DNS registrar who should be burned from the face of the planet15:23
SuperpelicanIs there a way to run Nemo Mobile for example on a X86 computer?15:24
kulvelbt: well, good that I've never heard about them :)15:24
SuperpelicanYou can't use Virtualbox to run ARM software, can you?15:24
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kulveThere is a way to run x86 nemo on x86. That' might have been virtualbox. I haven't tried it15:25
SuperpelicanSo I should use the platform SDK?15:25
SuperpelicanThe Application SDK is only for developing Qt apps for Mer?15:26
kulveI'm not sure if application sdk exists for mer at all or was it only MeeGo stuff..15:26
Stskeepsno such thing15:26
Stskeepsas we have no common app story15:26
SuperpelicanSo first I should download Python 3 source from www.python.org?15:27
Stskeepsright15:28
kulvecould there be a starting point in opensuses?15:28
kulve-s15:28
SuperpelicanI've found this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Linux_Host15:28
SuperpelicanSeems like that's the way to install Nemo Mobile in Virtualbox15:29
Stskeepsyeah15:29
SuperpelicanThat's to easy! ;-)15:29
SuperpelicanVirtualbox doesn't seem to support .imgs15:33
SuperpelicanIs there a way I can convert .img to .iso?15:34
Stskeepsrename it to .iso15:36
Stskeeps(not kidding)15:36
SuperpelicanBooting :-D15:38
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fk_lxbtw. is there still an issue with the screen going black when on-screen keyboard should appear?15:41
Stskeepsyes but a workaround exists15:42
SuperpelicanYes15:42
SuperpelicanI just openend the Mer browser but the screen turns black15:43
SuperpelicanWhen I tried to enter an adress15:43
SuperpelicanSame when I openend the terminal15:43
SuperpelicanSo you don't install Mer?15:43
SuperpelicanBut just boot the .iso every time?15:43
MariusmssjHello and sorry interupting, first time using IRC, But I got a question about N9/N950 Kernel update project. Does anyone knowho is leading that project? Thank you15:44
Stskeepshost key, alt f215:44
StskeepsMariusmssj: the people involved?15:44
Stskeepsmany of us has interest in a better kernel on that device15:44
MariusmssjI see, so where should people contribute their knowledge?15:45
Stskeepson wiki or irc i guess15:45
Stskeepsmon-fri usually good, european time15:45
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MariusmssjOk, I made an info thread on TMO about this project just wasn't sure myself how people actually contributed15:46
Stskeepsthrough code :)15:47
MariusmssjWould it be ok if posted this channel as means of contact on my info thread post?15:48
Stskeepsyes15:48
MariusmssjThank you, I really don't know much about but I want to help, so i though i'll help by spreading the word and trying to get more people involved15:50
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SuperpelicanCTRL+Alt+F2 didn't help15:50
SuperpelicanIt gave me another black screen15:50
Stskeepslook what your host key is set to15:50
SuperpelicanIt changed my system to CLI :-(15:50
Stskeepshost alt f215:50
Stskeepsin virtualbox15:51
SuperpelicanI thought ctrl was my host key15:51
Stskeepsbad choice for one15:52
SuperpelicanTurns out Right Ctrl is my host key ;-)15:52
SuperpelicanWhat does hostkey+alt+f2 exactly do?15:53
SuperpelicanHow does it get out of the black screen in the VM?15:53
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Mariusmssjdoes anyone mind if i ask some possibly stupid questions?16:07
Bostikgo ahead16:07
Bostikask anything you want, get answered anything _we_ want16:07
Mariusmssjone of the people on the thread said this "May I suggest simply running patch -p1 < nokia-harmattan.diff and catching the (extremely large) number of rejects? "16:08
Mariusmssjcan anyone explain what that means?16:08
Mariusmssjsubject:  N9/N950 Kernel update project16:09
BostikMariusmssj: "patch reject" is a part of a patch which fails to apply (because the context has changed or the surroundings are no longer there)16:10
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BostikMariusmssj: so someone advocated more or less a brute-force approach; find out which sections still apply cleanly and then "deal with rejects", which means that each failed section is then manually inspected, updated and hopefully fixed16:11
MariusmssjI see, thank :) I do know C and C++ and i really want to get into open source software ever since I got  N9. I began to see the shortcoming of proprietary software16:12
Mariusmssjand thus slowly starting to use Debian and Ubuntu16:12
Mariusmssji would like to help out but i honestly don't have a smallest clue where to start16:13
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Bostikin that case, feel free to stick around16:14
Bostikwhen you see something that you feel you might be interested to help in...16:14
Mariusmssjis there small things i could start off with? like what environments would be best to use? Ubuntu, debian, gentoo?16:15
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Superpelicanright ctrl+alt+f2 also dropped my system to CLI mode :(16:16
Bostikany of those will do, mer SDK is effectively a small, chrooted rpm-distro which works regardless of what your host distro is16:17
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SuperpelicanIsn't there an alternative way to do the thing right ctrl+alt+f2 does?16:17
Mariusmssji assume the update is moving towards the 3.5.4 kernel?16:20
BostikI'll let someone more knowledgeable answer that one :)16:20
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Mariusmssjsome of the stuff suggest 3.5.3 https://gitorious.org/mer-n9-kernel/mer-n9-kernel/commit/7ed0b297185497c4015921a92aed9ee90dce6fde16:23
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SuperpelicanI'm running curl as https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK describes16:23
SuperpelicanHow long does it take to complete the curl operation?16:23
Superpelicanapproximately?16:24
SuperpelicanCurl downloads files to your computer, right?16:25
SuperpelicanWhere does it leave those files?16:25
SuperpelicanWell this time I just downloaded the SDK with Firefox, but I would like to know where curl has stored the files it was downloading. I don't want my system to get full of stuff I don't use16:29
SuperpelicanAlso how do I get out of the black screen in Virtualbox?16:31
Stskeepsswipe from bottom16:32
SuperpelicanOK, thanks :)16:32
SuperpelicanStskeeps: you said there was a workaround for the blackscreen problem in the Nemo Mobile image, what is the workaround?16:37
Stskeepsi'm on the move atm, will answer later16:39
SuperpelicanSorry for bothering you ;-)16:40
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Mariusmssjwas nice talking to you guys, i'll definitely come back again. take care everyone16:47
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SuperpelicanGot the SDK running! :)16:48
SuperpelicanVery easy instructions on wiki.merproject.org! Thanks everyone!16:48
lbtSuperpelican: good to hear, thanks for the feedback there16:51
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SuperpelicanWell now I've got the SDK running, but how do I start building packages for the Mer Project?16:58
SuperpelicanI have already downloaded the Python source16:58
SuperpelicanCan anyone tell me how to compile and build the python source and upload it to the Mer repo's?17:01
SuperpelicanOn the mer wiki I can only find information about how to build Mer images17:02
StskeepsSuperpelican: well, try to build it in the sdk in general17:10
Stskeepslike, how you'd build sw17:11
SuperpelicanBut where should I start?17:11
SuperpelicanSetting up sb2?17:12
Stskeepsthat's one way, or just straight in the sdk17:12
Stskeeps'lo javispedro17:12
SuperpelicanSo you don't need to set up Scratchbox2 in the SDK?17:13
SuperpelicanIt's already set up for you?17:13
Stskeepsnah, you do, but for x86 you don't atm17:13
SuperpelicanBut if I want to build for ARMv7?17:14
SuperpelicanI'm currently reading https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB217:14
Stskeepsthen you need sb217:14
SuperpelicanSo how do I set up sb2?17:15
SuperpelicanShould I first create a target like the first chapter of https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 says?17:17
SuperpelicanWhen I ran "sudo mic create fs mer-core-armv7hl-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks -o /parentroot/srv/mer/targets --pkgmgr=yum --arch armv7hl" it gives an error:17:19
SuperpelicanIt says no provider of modprobe found?17:19
SuperpelicanI tried to install modprobe17:19
SuperpelicanAnd then it gives me the previously mentioned error17:20
Superpelican"sudo mic create fs mer-core-armv7hl-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks -o /parentroot/srv/mer/targets --pkgmgr=yum --arch armv7hl" gives me this error: Error <creator>: Command 'modprobe' is not available.17:22
SuperpelicanShould I install one of the patterns for development first?17:23
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lbtSuperpelican: there are some notes on that in https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Building_an_image17:23
SuperpelicanThanks ;) Going to try it!17:24
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Stskeepslbt: how did prerelease go?17:25
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lbtdamn it17:29
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Stskeepsi assume not good :)17:29
* Stskeeps passes lbt tea and biscuits17:29
lbtI just forgot to push "go"17:30
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Stskeepsno worries17:30
lbtmy fault - got caught in LDAP and 1&1 DNS issues all day17:30
lbtrunning now17:30
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Stskeepsok17:30
Stskeepsis our DNS going to go south while you're abroad?17:30
Stskeeps:P17:30
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lbtit's fine I'll be south too17:31
situStskeeps: Hey17:31
lbtI'll watch for it whizzing past17:31
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Stskeepsevening situ17:32
situWhat's up ?17:32
Stskeepsnot much.. i'm discovering fun things about %dir in rpm packaging17:32
situI hope that would save some time while writing spec files.17:33
Stskeepswell, it's more like, making sure the dirs are there, too17:33
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Stskeepsit turns out that some parts of the qt build infra kind of relies on some dirs being there17:34
Stskeepsor it'll blow up in flames17:34
Stskeeps:P17:34
situIs it a problem only with beta release ?17:36
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Stskeepsi think it's just gotten more clearer when i started trying to build stuff on top of it17:37
* Stskeeps discovers his cable TV offers free concerts on demand, nice17:39
fw190helo17:40
Stskeepsheya fw19017:40
fw190long time no see ;)17:40
Stskeepshow are things?17:40
fw190ok moving forward17:40
fw190slowly but forward17:40
fw190is mer and jolla rpm or deb17:41
fw190?17:41
Stskeepsrpm17:41
Stskeepsmer's rpm17:41
Stskeeps:P17:41
fw190ah so it would be better to run a rpm based system on my PC?17:42
fw190or I'm wrong?17:42
Stskeepsdoesn't matter17:42
Stskeepsour sdk really doesn't care17:42
Stskeepsas long as it's not windows17:43
Stskeeps:P17:43
fw190hahahha17:43
Stskeepsor macos x17:43
Stskeepsor beos..17:43
Stskeepsyeah, you get the point17:43
fw190I'm an end user17:43
fw190;)17:43
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fw190and just thinking about cjanging ships from Ubuntu17:43
fw190changing17:43
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Stskeepsi use fedora myself but i am considering to completely reinstall my setup by now17:44
Stskeepsand not because of fedora17:44
fw190Stskeeps: last week I was in Warsaw for a few hours - the TV is ot showing the truth ;)17:45
fw190driving aws easy17:45
Stskeepshehe17:45
Stskeepsi passed my theoretical test, that thing is riddled with so many english grammatical mistakes..17:46
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fw190damn I make so many mistakes - this English thingi isn't easy17:46
Stskeepswell, i failed with 5 mistakes at first try, then 2 and i passed :P17:47
Stskeepslet me know if you ever come by warsaw and let's have a beer or a cup of coffee :)17:47
fw190I was just helping my friend to bring stuff from Poznan to Warsaw17:48
fw190so I was 30min there and went home ;)17:48
Stskeeps:nod:17:49
Stskeepsat least the highway is a lot easier now..17:49
fw190highway is for rich people17:50
fw190I use te old 217:51
Stskeepshehe17:51
fw190now when we hve the highway it is empty ;)17:51
Stskeepsdriving from warsaw to denmark through old 2 made me accept that i'll die at some point17:52
Stskeeps:P17:52
Stskeepswith all the trucks.. and crazy drivers17:52
fw190hmmm the forst road for me in Poland is the one to my hometown17:52
fw190from Poznan to Międzychód17:52
fw190this is a killer17:52
fw190each trip means 203 situations when I say goodby to my life ;)17:53
Stskeepshehe17:53
Stskeepslbt: MDS's officially too slow now.. it really needs to be speeded up somehow17:53
fw190but hey - I'm going to my parents so I have to give it a try17:53
Stskeepsor me profiling what's wrong17:53
lbtOK17:54
Stskeepsit takes ~2.98s to make a package lookup17:56
lbtouch17:56
Stskeepswhich doesn't make any kind of sense17:56
lbtgit pack?17:57
lbtI have no clue how the code in there works17:57
Stskeepswell it should be faster since all that gets cached17:57
lbtI've been saving that particular treat for a day when I hear bluebirds tweeting and can minimise the likelyhood of wrist-slitting17:57
lbtbbiab ... coooking :)17:58
Stskeepsanybody know any good python profiling tools?17:58
Stskeeps:P17:58
Bostikum, python -c cProfile script.py ?18:01
Bostiksorry, -m :)18:03
* Stskeeps guesses its' a good idea to work on gitmds2 then..18:04
SuperpelicanRunning: "sb2-init -d -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -c /usr/bin/qemu-arm-dynamic -m sdk-build -n -N -t / mer-core /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc" as https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK says gives me the error that "/opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc" does not exist :(18:07
SuperpelicanI have installed the gcc crosscompilation pattern18:07
SuperpelicanI have to leave... :-(18:12
SuperpelicanI'll certainly come back when I have time! ;)18:12
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Stskeepshello erchie18:45
erchiehey18:46
Stskeepswelcome to #mer :) so what brings you here?18:47
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Stskeepsmorn ljp19:11
ljphello19:11
Stskeepshaving a good weekend so far?19:11
ljphmm.. well.. doesnt really seem like a weekend anymore. :)19:12
Stskeepshehe19:12
ljpor, rather.. it;s still a weekend19:12
Stskeepslongest weekend ever19:12
Stskeeps:P19:12
ljpwell.. not ever, but for a very long time, ya19:12
Stskeepsi'm having fun with qt5 packaging and learning new things about qmake behaviour i never wanted to know19:12
ljpya, I wish someone would actively work on qmake19:13
Stskeepsstarting slow work on qt5 based stack19:13
ljpfun19:13
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ljpI can guarantee it wont be as challenging as porting qtopia from qt2 to qt4 :)19:14
Stskeepsit's not yet on levels of having to find out why fennec bursts into flames, correct19:17
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ljpwhat timeframe are you looking at mer/nemo updating to qt5?20:14
Stskeepswell, i'm going for dual stack for the while being, but generally the plan is to by next week have a virtual machine up with qml compositor, wayland, llvmpipe, booting with systemd user sessions20:15
Stskeepsthis will hopefully be met already monday20:15
Stskeepspotentially looking into this running on r-pi too20:16
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mikhaswhat is the other version of Qt you aim to support?20:30
Stskeepsqt4.8.2 we can't do away with for now20:33
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Stskeepsand others depend on it, so i do qt5 work for a different path20:34
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mikhasSounds like a reasonable choice, TBH.20:51
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* ljp puts meego sensors plugin port on his agenda20:51
Stskeepsjust looking forward to see how much can be reused..20:53
Stskeepsand how much will just break apart20:53
ljpsensors should be fairly straight forward20:53
ljpalthough the qml api will be changing soon in qt520:54
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mikhashooray for API breakage21:00
mikhasljp, sounds like that comes too late, no?21:00
mikhas*beta* is already out, next beta to be released soon21:00
ljpit really needs fixing. sensors is an add-on. Lars and the only platform current;y supported by qt5 sensors is rim, and they all agreed it needs fixing21:01
ljpcode is just getting cleaned up21:01
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w00tsensible choice21:02
w00ti think a lot of the addons were a bit rushed in terms of API21:02
w00tat least that's the way it feels from looking around them21:02
ljpthe c++ API isnt changing, only the fugly qml21:02
w00tah, was that the commit completely changing the way they work, seperating it from the C++ APIs?21:03
w00ti seem to remember seeing something like that hit gerrit recentish21:03
ljpthere are several commits to this, but yes21:03
* ljp enjoys creators 'refactor' features21:08
mikhasah, so only an not-much used add-on, I'll ignore the breakage then ;-)21:09
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ljpwell. not entirely ignore. we all knew the API sucked21:10
ljpplans were to fix it. some nokia internal project interfered with the resources to fix it21:10
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CosmoHillcyas21:12
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lbtStskeeps: btw .... release is importing to cobs23:51
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