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| timoph | morning | 04:11 |
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| Bostik | indeed | 04:11 |
| Sage_ | lbt_away: I was reading the https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 guide and started to wonder why #SB2_Setup uses /parentroot and #Alternate_targets does not? Also isn't parentroot atm. readonly? | 04:13 |
| Sage_ | I'm guessing it is just a "typo" but not entirely sure (target vs alternate target) ;) | 04:16 |
| * Sage_ ponders how to remove sb2 target | 04:24 | |
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| timoph | rm $HOME/.scratchbox2/<targetname> | 04:35 |
| Sage_ | it is "rm -r" and I'll add that to sb2 guide | 04:37 |
| Sage_ | ;) | 04:37 |
| timoph | :) | 04:37 |
| * Sage_ ponders why there is debian.conf in our target dir | 04:38 | |
| Stskeeps | look past that | 04:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 04:39 |
| timoph | :) | 04:39 |
| timoph | I think sb2-init creates it | 04:39 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I would think you know my eyes already ;) | 04:40 |
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| Stskeeps | morn kostaja | 04:56 |
| kostaja | mornings | 04:56 |
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| lbt | Sage_: "Alternate Targets" is user contributed | 06:02 |
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| lbt | putting the target in /parentroot makes it available in multiple SDK instances | 06:03 |
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| situ | Morning everyone | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | morn situ | 06:19 |
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| Stskeeps | morn ljp | 06:20 |
| niqt | morning | 06:20 |
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| iekku | hello smita_ | 06:21 |
| smita_ | iekku, Hi | 06:21 |
| situ | Stskeeps: Qt5 beta still hanging on tree. | 06:22 |
| Stskeeps | situ: yeah, i am fixing up qttools | 06:22 |
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| Bostik | ew, that might be quite badly shaken up (specwise) | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | it is | 06:33 |
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| w00t | lbt: what scripting languages are safe for use in the SDK? | 08:42 |
| w00t | if I keep using sh I think I'm going to want to hurt someone | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | python? | 08:42 |
| lbt | yeah - python is probably best | 08:43 |
| lbt | we have perl for real work | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 08:43 |
| lbt | and ruby for masochists | 08:43 |
| w00t | aww you have ruby! | 08:43 |
| lbt | yeah - it kinda slipped in | 08:43 |
| lbt | I'll probably do the SDK webui in it | 08:44 |
| lbt | ie 'change VM SDK target' | 08:44 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: ping | 08:58 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: pong | 09:10 |
| lbt | got your msg | 09:10 |
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| cat_x301 | hi all; is there any ready-made mer image with wayland? | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | cat_x301: not yet, brewing on it.. | 09:33 |
| cat_x301 | Stskeeps: cool | 09:34 |
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| Stskeeps | also, mer image for what exactly :) | 09:40 |
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| cat_n9 | Stskeeps: i think armv7hl. But any should do as long as there is .ks for it ;) | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | it is rather hw depenedent so | 10:15 |
| cat_n9 | i know. just would like to give a shot. | 10:15 |
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| * cat_n9 needs onscreen keyboard for n9 with tab key on it.. | 10:17 | |
| Jope | fingerterm? :-) | 10:21 |
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| cybette | +1 for fingerterm | 10:23 |
| Jope | otherwise ctrl-i like a boss. | 10:23 |
| Jope | for all your tabbing need.s | 10:23 |
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| dm8tbr | OK, move of MerBot to Mer infra completed. Old links should still work and will receive a HTTP 301 with the new location | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | \o/ | 10:28 |
| dm8tbr | the bug module was replaced with the ububot module | 10:30 |
| dm8tbr | it knows: mer bug 42 | 10:30 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 42 in libffi "libffi-devel has possible bashisms in it's RPM scriptlets" [Task,Assigned] https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42 | 10:30 |
| dm8tbr | nemo bug 23 | 10:30 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 23 in Settings/ControlPanel "meegotouchcp-connman contains copy of old libconnman-qt" [Normal,Verified: fixed] https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23 | 10:30 |
| dm8tbr | and defaults to mer: | 10:30 |
| dm8tbr | bug 123 | 10:30 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 123 in Other "Mer HA templates based on generic ATI/AMD Radeon and NVidia (probably Ion)" [Task,New] https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123 | 10:30 |
| cybette | that's cool :) | 10:30 |
| dm8tbr | other than that it should also know a lot of other default trackers | 10:30 |
| dm8tbr | iekku: as the main (ab)user ^^^^^^ | 10:31 |
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| iekku | who what? | 10:36 |
| w00t | dm8tbr: does it default to nemo in #nemomobile? :] | 10:37 |
| dm8tbr | w00t: that might be arranged | 10:39 |
| dm8tbr | w00t: done | 10:40 |
| w00t | dm8tbr: if i can offer another suggestion: recognise NEMO#<id> and MER#<id> templates, since those are what we're supposed to use in changelogs, commit logs, etc | 10:40 |
| dm8tbr | w00t: please send patches :) | 10:40 |
| w00t | where's it live? | 10:40 |
| dm8tbr | ubottu or whatever lives on launchpad | 10:41 |
| dm8tbr | wget http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/ubuntu-bots/devel/tarball/298 | 10:41 |
| w00t | ok | 10:41 |
| w00t | i'll see about having a look | 10:41 |
| dm8tbr | (I said that because I checked yesterday and there was no obvious way to do it) | 10:42 |
| w00t | hehe | 10:42 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: ping | 10:55 |
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| cos- | does anyone know if quim gil is still at nokia? | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | he's not | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | he's now with wikimedia foundation | 11:09 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: PONG | 11:09 |
| Bostik | oi sorry, bloody capslock | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: so, i just got told that supposedly, %{_includedir}/qt5/Qt/* is as vestigal as a appendix | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | which will simplify packaging a lot | 11:10 |
| jnikula | kimju: should the branch n9xx-v3.0-wip in git://gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_kernel.git boot on n900? I get a strange crash loop in pcpu_dump_alloc_info and to me it sounds like a hw or compiler issue | 11:10 |
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| jnikula | kimju: s/crash loop in pcpu_dump_alloc_info/crash loop starting in pcpu_dump_alloc_info and other pcpu_ functions/ | 11:11 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: oh, which way does it change now? | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: well QtCore/ is in qt5/QtCore/ , gui in qt5/QtGui .. | 11:11 |
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| kimju | jnikula, iirc it is bootable, but missing features to be usable. | 11:11 |
| Bostik | sanity! at last! | 11:11 |
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| Bostik | that does make the packaging rules simpler | 11:12 |
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| jnikula | kimju: good to know. Maybe compiler or hw issue then (I'm currently running at bit overvoltage :-) | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: testing it out atm | 11:12 |
| kimju | jnikula, and that really is not in progress anymore. I haven't had enough spare time to continue with that. | 11:15 |
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| jnikula | kimju: yeah, it's quite difficult to forward port things that were not in upstream | 11:18 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps: not ideal to have you working on qt5 but with the toolchain in tatters... | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: toolchain was published in a snapshot | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | and i need to work with qt5 myself anyway | 11:30 |
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| Bostik | hmh, will need to check cobs tomorrow then when I get back home | 11:39 |
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| alterego | Everytime .. What package in the SDK supplies modprobe? | 12:10 |
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| alterego | Oh, it was the path variable .. Now I remember | 12:13 |
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| w00t | lbt: do we have a "useful sdk scripts" repo+package that quickbuild stuff can live in? | 12:18 |
| lbt | yes, sdk-kickstartef-configs is OK for now | 12:19 |
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| w00t | https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs ? | 12:19 |
| lbt | yes, for now | 12:20 |
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| w00t | lbt: PR sent | 12:30 |
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| lbt | ty | 12:35 |
| lbt | w00t: 3 scripts ... really? | 12:37 |
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| w00t | lbt: yes, really | 12:38 |
| w00t | be thankful it isn't ruby | 12:38 |
| w00t | :-p | 12:38 |
| lbt | put the -build and -clean into functions please | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: URL for PR? | 12:39 |
| lbt | https://github.com/rburchell/sdk-kickstarter-configs/commit/7bf7c1124a5edc8d828d628f34c3d7c9e8181f28 | 12:39 |
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| w00t | lbt: I just followed what git does: git is seperate from git-commit | 12:40 |
| w00t | I'd say that's reasonable enough precedent | 12:40 |
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| lbt | I'd rather have all the code in one file, there is no invocation of sub-bash shells passing environment and no replication of functions | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think w00t needs a hand to do so | 12:41 |
| lbt | it's not quite at git's complexity level :) | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | so if you want it that way, you need to help doign it | 12:42 |
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| Stskeeps | for now, let's just get the software in, and clean it up, as it works OK, but isn't perfect in terms of structure | 12:43 |
| w00t | shell scripting isn't exactly my greatest skill, no | 12:44 |
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| * lbt wonders if that would be the response to passing a raw git tree to gerrit review | 12:45 | |
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| w00t | well, if it's that hard for you to deal with, I'll just keep it in a seperate repo, and the sdk can suffer | 12:46 |
| w00t | I don't have the skill to do it, and frankly, I've sunk enough time into this already | 12:46 |
| lbt | honestly I prefer contributions that reduce my work, not increase it :/ | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | we could waste a long time discussing this, or we could grab a pastebin and get it fixed? | 12:46 |
| lbt | doing that already | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:46 |
| lbt | but sometimes it's one rule in one place and another in another | 12:46 |
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| lbt | I get SR rejections for core for typos - this is not even packaged | 12:47 |
| lbt | w00t: and you know it's nothing personal | 12:47 |
| w00t | how am I supposed to package it before it's in a tree that *is* packaged, exactly? | 12:47 |
| w00t | I can't update the packaging before the pull request goes in | 12:48 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs/tree/pkg-mer | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | think of it as need to mentor, it's a thing we need and people pester us about on a regular basis, we don't have time to to do the whole implementation by ourselves, but if we help a bit to get it cleaner, it reduces time needed for all of us. | 12:48 |
| w00t | you didn't tell me it used git-pkg | 12:48 |
| lbt | as I said, I'm working on it | 12:48 |
| lbt | w00t: no, I didn't | 12:48 |
| w00t | nor did OBS when I saw the packaging in there and checked that out | 12:48 |
| lbt | and it's not obvious | 12:49 |
| lbt | and yes, the docs and process still suck | 12:49 |
| lbt | so it's not your fault and I'm sorry for being crabby | 12:49 |
| * Stskeeps offers lbt icecream | 12:49 | |
| lbt | + headache pills | 12:49 |
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| w00t | it's fine, just so long as this shows the wrinkles that someone walking in randomly is going to have trying to participate ;) | 12:50 |
| lbt | there's a bug for that :) | 12:51 |
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| Stskeeps | which, the 'carsten is an idiot' one? | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:51 |
| * w00t looks shifty | 12:52 | |
| lbt | wrong bz | 12:52 |
| w00t | lbt: no, that one was in mer :P | 12:52 |
| zuh | Icecream, two balls and aspirin sprinkled on the top please. | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | zuh: the hangover icecream? | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:53 |
| dm8tbr | salmiakki icecream? | 12:54 |
| Jope | nyom | 12:54 |
| zuh | Stskeeps: no, that includes not only aspirin but also hefty load of mints to wash the taste of yesterday off | 12:54 |
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| coyo | good morning. | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | good morning coyo | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | so what brings you here to #mer ? | 13:24 |
| coyo | how have you been, Stskeeps? | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good, thanks | 13:24 |
| coyo | well, i am Alex on the mailing list. | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:24 |
| coyo | this is my freenode name. | 13:24 |
| coyo | i'm glad you are going well. | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | sure :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time | 13:24 |
| coyo | i am interested in mer both as a user who wants power over his own mobile computing platform, but also as a potential developer | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:25 |
| coyo | thank you, Stskeeps, i actually have a few questions: can you develop mer applications with ruby? | 13:25 |
| coyo | or must it be C? | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | well, mer sdk has ruby in it, but we don't push a central app story with mer | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's up to vendors to work together on | 13:26 |
| coyo | so you do not have a central app respository, marketplace, or app store here? | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | correct - mer is just a core | 13:26 |
| coyo | *repository | 13:26 |
| coyo | ah, okay. so i will need to host the package myself | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | we do what is needed to build nice mobile products, but the UI and hardware adaptation parts are in other companies/projects | 13:26 |
| coyo | good to know, and not really a problem. | 13:26 |
| coyo | what is the most expensive phone that mer supports? | 13:27 |
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| coyo | can i put mer on a samsung galaxy s iii if i get one? | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | well, mer doesn't have hardware adaptations, but one example is the nokia n9 - you can put mer on it, but mer on it's own isn't sexy | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | you need a ui on top, and a working hardware adaptation with graphics acceleration | 13:27 |
| coyo | so mer is purely the core? | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | projects like Nemo exists too | 13:28 |
| coyo | okay, what would be a finished and more complete version of mer? nemo? | 13:28 |
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| Stskeeps | for example | 13:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: yeah, qt5/Qt/ is vestigal | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: just built qtdeclarative without issue | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | that certainly makes qt packaging easier | 13:56 |
| Bostik | wooot! | 13:56 |
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| w00t | lbt: do you have your copy of the script online? would like to see how you changed it | 14:20 |
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| lbt | w00t: doing travel arrangements for mon atm | 14:21 |
| w00t | lbt: ah, ok | 14:22 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | 21408 root 20 0 36860 5420 524 R 93 0.2 14515:45 emacs-nox | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | on be | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | can i kill? | 14:35 |
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| lbt | no | 14:41 |
| lbt | sec | 14:41 |
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| lbt | ok gone | 14:43 |
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| Stskeeps | ta | 14:54 |
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| Bostik | time to find food and possibly sit down for a pint | 14:57 |
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| w00t | lbt: btw, don't worry about the scripts.. going to go over them again with some help from phaeron | 16:57 |
| lbt | *twitch* | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | O_o | 16:59 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs | 16:59 |
| phaeron | lbt: if you have started working on them already, I'll refrain | 16:59 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs/blob/master/mb | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: good work, thank you! | 16:59 |
| phaeron | already good work :) | 16:59 |
| phaeron | less for me to do :) | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: btw, can you access zathras and friends when you're abroad? | 17:00 |
| lbt | yes | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | good | 17:00 |
| w00t | lbt: thanks | 17:00 |
| w00t | lbt: sorry we didn't get to it earlier :) | 17:00 |
| lbt | w00t: :) | 17:00 |
| lbt | doing packaging and makefile now | 17:01 |
| lbt | except there is no makefile | 17:04 |
| w00t | how's the other scripts installed there? | 17:05 |
| lbt | spec | 17:05 |
| w00t | then that's the same, isn't it? | 17:06 |
| lbt | yes | 17:06 |
| w00t | -nod- | 17:06 |
| w00t | thought i was missing something on the makefile point :P | 17:06 |
| lbt | thinko | 17:06 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, how was your driving test BTW? | 17:08 |
| mikhas | you would have enjoyed the automotive summit | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: passed theoretical second time around :) | 17:08 |
| mikhas | great! | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | any interesting news from there, besides LF-yes-we-can-do-a-genivi-too? | 17:09 |
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| mikhas | Stskeeps, quite a few actually, yes | 17:11 |
| mikhas | but that's only from my perspective | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully "maliit on more targets" :) | 17:11 |
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| mikhas | haha | 17:12 |
| mikhas | well, they just need to give me a Jaguar, as proto you know? | 17:12 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, I kept saying to myself: "Well, Mer does that, too. Probably better and more open than what you guys try to sell here." | 17:13 |
| mikhas | so perhaps "Jolla Automotive", in 1-2 years ;-) | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:14 |
| mikhas | the challenges are different (well, bigger) | 17:14 |
| mikhas | but that's half the fun | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'd be happy if it's not "Jolla" automotive, as it means that people 'get' it, it's a platform/ecosystem | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | not a company only thing | 17:14 |
| mikhas | right right | 17:14 |
| * Stskeeps is having fun packaging qttools | 17:15 | |
| mikhas | but you'll be only ever be taken serious if a company puts its weight behind it | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, or several small companies | 17:15 |
| Bostik | oddly enough, 'jolla' means a smallish boat, and the first non-automotive IVI targets are probably going to be yachts and modern sailboats | 17:15 |
| mikhas | :-D | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: i did wonder where yacht meego went to | 17:15 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: you're outright twisted, "fun" indeed | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | it was proposed | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: i started mer, that was crazy enough to last me for a while ;) | 17:16 |
| mikhas | quite a statement | 17:16 |
| Bostik | yeah, and all of this is merely random fallout? :) | 17:16 |
| mikhas | and look where it got you! | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: i can honestly say i didn't know of jolla when i started Mer :) | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | so some of it is a leap of faith | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | and thinking "i doubt these guys can't get it right this time, let's see if we can do it better.." | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | er, "can get it right" | 17:18 |
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| Bostik | delightful arrogance, willful hubris and just plain bullheadedness - sure signs of a true hacker | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:19 |
| * Bostik glances in a mirror | 17:19 | |
| * Stskeeps looks forward to start ramping up his stack over the next two weeks | 17:20 | |
| Stskeeps | along with libhybris packaging for mer | 17:20 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, if you have specific questions about the automotive summit let me know (I am crappy with writing conference follow-up blogs) | 17:22 |
| mikhas | later! | 17:22 |
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| crevetor | Watching the keynote for the announcement of the very first i | 18:31 |
| crevetor | Piphone | 18:31 |
| crevetor | iPhone | 18:31 |
| crevetor | Steve starts by saying "this changes everything" and it actually did | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | next time around, not so much | 18:42 |
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| w00t | This changes everything. Again. | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 18:48 |
| mikhas | crevetor, would it have been such a hit if someone more modest had announced the iPhone? Without the "changes everything" bit? | 18:48 |
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| mikhas | the iPhone never succeeded because of technical merits. even its usability is vastly hyped, I feel | 18:49 |
| mikhas | and if you favor bauhaus design for instance, you will simply hate the look&feel of most iPhone 1 apps | 18:49 |
| mikhas | it was a brilliant sales show, and it created that certain "want!" in people | 18:49 |
| mikhas | a demand that you cannot logically explain | 18:50 |
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| lbt | hehe ... have you seen "Hello!" magazine? | 18:51 |
| mikhas | dont think so? | 18:51 |
| lbt | in general ... the iphone appeals to the same thing | 18:52 |
| lbt | it's fasionable and easy | 18:52 |
| mikhas | yeah | 18:52 |
| mikhas | it never did the trick to me | 18:53 |
| CosmoHill | the iphone 5, it's bigger than the iphone 4 | 18:53 |
| CosmoHill | no really, it's just bigger | 18:53 |
| lbt | wait.. there's an iphone 4 ? | 18:54 |
| w00t | 4, 4S, and now 5 | 18:54 |
| w00t | get with the times :-D | 18:55 |
| lbt | ;) | 18:55 |
| mikhas | "I'll just wait for the iPhone 6." | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | yaawn | 19:00 |
| crevetor | mikhas: I think so, it was revolutionary at the time : auto-rotate, multi-touch, etc. Stuff that we take for granted now. | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: did you manage to try out the proposed fix for blue btw? | 19:01 |
| crevetor | I'm not saying that it hasn't been over-hyped but there was innovation in there that did change the whole phone landscape | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | sure, it did catch everybody off guard | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | though it's not the last time that'll happen :) | 19:02 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: yes, well actually I validated that it came from the sensor orientation. I still have to fiddle with fcam to get it to work correctly | 19:03 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: that's what I was thinking, I wish I could be part of that next shift :) | 19:03 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: I did manage to get 12Mp captures with the right colors (but not through fcam yet) | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 19:05 |
| crevetor | yes, pretty exciting | 19:06 |
| crevetor | I was thinking of adding something to my python script that would output a 5 or 8 MP picture from that 12MP capture using oversampling as the 808 does | 19:07 |
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| crevetor | If I have time, I'll work on that this week end :) | 19:08 |
| CosmoHill | one day people will be holding ipads to there heads and using them as phones | 19:08 |
| crevetor | CosmoHill: it's already the case : galaxy note | 19:09 |
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| mikhas | CosmoHill, and then we've come full circle: http://www.techfever.net/2011/08/cellphone-nostalgia-hello-1991-2011-calling/ | 19:15 |
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| crevetor | And then there was this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU8kYwqZKgM | 19:29 |
| crevetor | *This* changes everything again ! | 19:29 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, mikhas, Mer got a mention at the Automotive Summit | 19:51 |
| vgrade | OBS Light presentation | 19:52 |
| mikhas | vgrade, yeah | 19:52 |
| crevetor | \o/ | 19:52 |
| mikhas | I talked to Dominig | 19:52 |
| mikhas | well, I met other folks who knew about Mer, too | 19:52 |
| mikhas | business card search time … | 19:52 |
| mikhas | rosalab.ru | 19:53 |
| vgrade | his demow was interesting | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | rosalab we've met before, yeah | 19:53 |
| mikhas | couldnt see it sadly, was in other talk | 19:53 |
| vgrade | I was mainly in compliance presentations and only there Wed PM and for 1 presentation today | 19:55 |
| mikhas | they have the Russian URL on business card, instead of http://www.rosalab.com/ | 19:55 |
| mikhas | vgrade, we didnt meet, right? | 19:55 |
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| mikhas | shame | 19:55 |
| mikhas | I had a Maliit T-Shirt today even! | 19:55 |
| mikhas | not that I was trying to sell Maliit to anyone (no really, I wasn't) | 19:56 |
| vgrade | I only popped in for "working on embedded linux sucks" | 19:56 |
| vgrade | I work at JLR next door so was a nice venue | 19:57 |
| mikhas | ah | 19:57 |
| mikhas | lucky you ;-) | 19:57 |
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| vgrade | I missed the keynotes yesterday, what was the view on the AGL announcement? | 19:58 |
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| mikhas | MonteVista people were pretty annoyed about it | 20:05 |
| mikhas | well, big surprise | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | i could imagine ubuntu/canonical wouldn't be too happy either | 20:06 |
| mikhas | thing is, it was announced by Jim Zemlin, so those who would understand the impact of it were probably half-asleep by then | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | haha | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, he does.. have that effect :) | 20:06 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4762818 probably something we can drop from mer core and added to hw adaptations if those are really needed? | 20:07 |
| marcosx86 | Stskeeps: I unpacked the Platform SDK on my VM, and when I ran mic, it blamed about extlinux command | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: ok | 20:07 |
| mikhas | vgrade, the echo I got: "there will never be just one flavour of Automotive-grade Linux" | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | marcosx86: sudo zypper in syslinux-extlinux | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 20:08 |
| marcosx86 | I apt-get install extlinux before entering chroot | 20:08 |
| marcosx86 | didnt worked | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | marcosx86: no, inside the sdk | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: i hope you didn't get a http://memegenerator.net/instance/27076054 speech though | 20:09 |
| mikhas | can you redo that meme with Linux instead please? | 20:09 |
| mikhas | i think the McLaren keynote was impressive | 20:10 |
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| mikhas | and I liked the new nuances in GregKH's one | 20:10 |
| mikhas | I heard him 2.5 years ago @ FOSDEM, and it was fascinating (to me) to compare the two versions of the same talk | 20:11 |
| marcosx86 | Error <creator>: Failed to find group 'Nokia N900 Proprietary Support' : No Group named Nokia N900 Proprietary Support exists | 20:11 |
| mikhas | He finally noticed the impact of Intel in Kernel development =p | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | marcosx86: used http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20120816.1.NEMO.2012-08-31.1/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-0.20120816.1.NEMO.2012-08-31.1.ks and 'mic cr raw' ? | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | inside sdk | 20:12 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: did we still want xephyr for something? | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: probably not | 20:13 |
| Sage_ | I recall some talk way back but can't recall why we wanted xephyr still | 20:13 |
| mikhas | but but but … scratchbox!! | 20:14 |
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| marcosx86 | no, used minimal-n900.ks | 20:15 |
| Sage_ | :P | 20:15 |
| marcosx86 | from wiki | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: could you fix the package group in that one? | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | (please) | 20:17 |
| marcosx86 | Stskeeps: used https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started#N900 -> https://raw.github.com/lbt/mer-minimal/master/n900/minimal-n900.ks | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | there's an error in that one | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | replace with @Nokia N900 Support | 20:17 |
| marcosx86 | ok | 20:17 |
| marcosx86 | already there | 20:17 |
| marcosx86 | Nokia N900 Support and Proprietary | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | yes, remove the Proprietary one | 20:18 |
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| _Thomas | Stskeeps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcCqWawPIA0 | 20:37 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: We have made a how-to video for first time users of the cotton Candy :) | 20:37 |
| _Thomas | things are happening ;) | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | cool :) congrats | 20:38 |
| * Stskeeps looks forward to when we in Jolla get our product on market too | 20:38 | |
| Stskeeps | heh, that's a long license | 20:40 |
| _Thomas | Yeah | 20:40 |
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| _Thomas | If you notice, I was about to do what I always do ;) | 20:40 |
| crevetor | _Thomas: is that a mini computer ? | 20:40 |
| _Thomas | and then I thought ... oh wait, I'm supposed to tell the users what to do now :D | 20:41 |
| _Thomas | crevetor: yes | 20:41 |
| crevetor | _Thomas: looks neat | 20:41 |
| _Thomas | it is ;) | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: and the final configuration ended up being exynos and mali? | 20:41 |
| crevetor | hdmi powered, me like ! | 20:41 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Jolla, that is the danish phone or something? | 20:41 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Yes, ofc | 20:41 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: 4210 in this one | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: nah, finnish - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: but it has a danish streak in it by running Mer :) | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: usb powered, but hdmi output | 20:42 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: the video says hdmi powered | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:43 |
| _Thomas | No? | 20:43 |
| _Thomas | It says USB powered | 20:43 |
| _Thomas | :) | 20:43 |
| crevetor | let me replay that. | 20:43 |
| _Thomas | crevetor: HDMI doesn't have enough power | 20:43 |
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| _Thomas | Please tell me where it says hdmi power | 20:44 |
| _Thomas | :) | 20:44 |
| crevetor | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcCqWawPIA0&feature=player_detailpage#t=119s | 20:44 |
| _Thomas | crevetor: HDMI is only capable of 50 mA | 20:44 |
| crevetor | "using the screen to power it up" | 20:44 |
| crevetor | or maybe the screen's usb connector | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | that does sound awkward yeah | 20:44 |
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| _Thomas | crevetor: Yes | 20:45 |
| crevetor | yes it's not very clear | 20:45 |
| _Thomas | It says connecting the usb to the screen | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: looks like a great product - would the middleware for exporting the screen content over usb be available under ubuntu too? | 20:45 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Yes | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 20:45 |
| crevetor | _Thomas: is the bootloader open ? | 20:46 |
| _Thomas | crevetor: uboot should be open enough ;) | 20:46 |
| crevetor | _Thomas: :) | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: how about codec support? | 20:46 |
| crevetor | _Thomas: how much does it cost ? | 20:46 |
| _Thomas | crevetor: We have our mind set on develoeprs | 20:46 |
| _Thomas | 199 usd | 20:46 |
| _Thomas | +shipping | 20:46 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: What do you mean about codec support? | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: h264 and friends | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Thomas: open source uBoot doesn't meen non-tivoized device | 20:47 |
| _Thomas | tivoized? | 20:47 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Yes, we support most of them | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: alright | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ROMBL only loading (possibly open as sky) signed uBoot only | 20:48 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Beta1 image isn't good, but we will release something better in a week or so | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: will probably grab one when i've moved into my apartment, provided my r-pi's won't meet my demands | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | +new | 20:48 |
| _Thomas | DocScrutinizer05: If we end up with a signed uboot some day, we will always support unsigned OS | 20:48 |
| _Thomas | Next week we will release source code for our Android build | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: do you have spec sheet anywhere? | 20:49 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: http://www.fxitech.com/products/ | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | probably easier than to ask a lot of questions :) | 20:50 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Hit Technology Specs | 20:50 |
| _Thomas | Should help you out a bit | 20:50 |
| _Thomas | If there's more, just ask :) | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | thanks, i have some ideas where i'd perhaps like to use something like that as a companion device, so | 20:51 |
| _Thomas | did you preorder? | 20:51 |
| crevetor | wow, pretty powerful given the size | 20:51 |
| _Thomas | crevetor: Yes, that's the neat thing :) | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: i honestly don't recall if i did, if i had to pay, probably not :) | 20:52 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: No, you didn't have to pay to sign up for pre-order | 20:52 |
| * Stskeeps had a rather busy last months :) | 20:52 | |
| * Stskeeps checks | 20:52 | |
| crevetor | _Thomas: when does it ship ? | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | where would i preorder? | 20:52 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: If you did preorder, it was placed on cstick.com | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | – TrustZone extensions -- :-(( | 20:53 |
| _Thomas | DocScrutinizer05: Yes, what's wrong with that? | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I wouldn't advertise that | 20:53 |
| _Thomas | It doesn't say anything about them being enabled | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | what arm chip doesn't have that nowadays.. | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:53 |
| _Thomas | All ARM chips have TZ today, more or less | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, exactly a good reason to not even mention it | 20:54 |
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| _Thomas | That is the reason why it is needed | 20:54 |
| _Thomas | marketing | 20:54 |
| _Thomas | It's still a while before everyone take it for granted, when it's the business/marketing guys talking | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, like "alas it has TZ like every other contemporary Cortex ARM. But at least we didn't enable it in ROMBL" | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer05: can you keep your security framework rants out of here please? we all know your opinion on them by now :) | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trustzone my ass | 20:55 |
| _Thomas | DocScrutinizer05: It will be very clear that we are going to be open in the coming days, with what we are going to publish of material | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: hmm, what's difference between business and private shop, out of curiousity? | 20:56 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Mostly EULA | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can publish all you want on sourcecode - won't diable engaged TZ "open mode" | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disable* | 20:56 |
| _Thomas | DocScrutinizer05: You have to enable TZ somewhere | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while openmode should be called neutered mode | 20:56 |
| _Thomas | And as long as all is on the microSD card, I don't see how we can force anyone anything | 20:56 |
| _Thomas | We are always free to make versions of our binary os distros that enable tz and premium content, but nobody will be force to use anything like that | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if the uBoot (or your flavour thereof) will not boot from uSD, the ROMBL won't boot any bootloader even from MMC bus 0 | 20:57 |
| _Thomas | (and I'm not saying that we will go down the TZ path) | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least no unsigned one | 20:58 |
| _Thomas | Our device boots from uSD (uboot is on USB) | 20:58 |
| _Thomas | uSD | 20:58 |
| _Thomas | (not USB) | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, so there's already a signed uBoot? fine then | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't retract that one | 20:59 |
| _Thomas | No, did I say that? | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought you said | 20:59 |
| _Thomas | Nothing is signed | 20:59 |
| _Thomas | As it is now | 20:59 |
| _Thomas | It's completely open | 20:59 |
| _Thomas | and all bootloader, except the rombl in the ap is on the uSD card | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, afaik ROMBL wants signature on 2nd BL, otherwise won't start it | 21:00 |
| _Thomas | Unless you have a special key set in the AP, that signature is open for everyone | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AP? | 21:00 |
| _Thomas | Application Processor | 21:00 |
| _Thomas | Exynos 4210, for instance | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, you mean EFUSE? | 21:01 |
| _Thomas | yes | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, might be | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nice hw then :-) | 21:01 |
| _Thomas | Yes, we have been making this with develoeprs in mind all along | 21:02 |
| _Thomas | no point in closing it down then | 21:02 |
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| _Thomas | Some of us are developers by heart, so we know what we should / shouldn't do :) | 21:02 |
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| CosmoHill | what did I just miss? | 21:03 |
| _Thomas | There are things we won't be able to open due to license agreements (OpenGL-drivers, for instance), but we will strive to open what we can | 21:03 |
| _Thomas | And we will support OpenGLES on more than just Android | 21:04 |
| _Thomas | Which is a bit rare, as far as I understand things | 21:04 |
| _Thomas | (not much support for Linux distros in this mobile world) | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: are you licensing the virtualization client(s) to companies that want to make solutions on for example mobile phones with it? think access your desktop on the stick | 21:04 |
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| Stskeeps | virtualization being the display streaming | 21:04 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: It is a possibility, yes | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | or rather, where would one contact for business propositions :) | 21:05 |
| _Thomas | You can contact me, and I'll make the connections in the office ;) | 21:05 |
| _Thomas | thomas.langas@fxitech.com | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's bedtime for now though, bbl | 21:05 |
| _Thomas | hehe | 21:06 |
| _Thomas | around midnight in .fi right? | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Thomas: kudos | 21:06 |
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| [ol] | _Thomas: Does this stick's WiFi interface support AP and IBSS modes? | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Thomas: maybe I'm already too tired, but >>– USB 2.0 male form factor for power and connection to devices that supports USB mass storage<< kinda is sounding ambiguous to my ears | 21:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | is this a MassStorage device, or will it allow memstick to get plugged into it? IOW host or gadget? | 21:11 |
| _Thomas | DocScrutinizer05: If you stick the device into your computer, it will look like an mass storage device in the computer (using gadget drivers) | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:12 |
| _Thomas | And, we also have a micro USB port on the side, where you can connect any usb device, to the cotton candy | 21:12 |
| _Thomas | Including mass storage devices | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cool | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's both, even concurrently | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the real thing. Forget OTG | 21:13 |
| _Thomas | We are using OTG for our virtualization stuff | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, please elaborate | 21:17 |
| _Thomas | If you see the video I pasted, you see that we put the device into a usb port on the mac, and get the screen on the mac with what's going on on the device? | 21:18 |
| _Thomas | and use the mouse/keyboard on the mac to control the device | 21:18 |
| _Thomas | The mac just thinks this is another usb mass storage device (because we identify us as Mass Storage through OTG) | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that's not OTG aiui | 21:19 |
| _Thomas | Yes, because we are a device in this sense | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OTG means HNP, switching A and B role | 21:19 |
| _Thomas | OTG is both host and device | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either, or. Aka A or B | 21:20 |
| _Thomas | our host port is full usb host, not just "simple otg", and that is the micro usb-port | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the micro is actually a micro-AB receptacle? | 21:20 |
| _Thomas | The micro is only usb host | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 21:21 |
| _Thomas | the normal usb is usb device only | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, so neither is OTG. And actually nobody needs OTG | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OTG is not hostmode | 21:22 |
| _Thomas | The normal usb is usb device, because we make it so with the OTG controller inside the exynos | 21:22 |
| _Thomas | If that made things more clear? | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, you can set the (presumably mentographics MUSB-HDRC) OTG controller to hostmode-only | 21:23 |
| _Thomas | I realise that this is hard to explain in writing :) | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...in hardware (wiring) | 21:24 |
| _Thomas | Our normal usb port is wired as a device | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (ID pin grounded) | 21:24 |
| _Thomas | and the micro usb port is connected to the usb host controller on the exynos (which can be nothing else) | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know this ARM USB a lil bit | 21:25 |
| _Thomas | :) | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (made h-e-n on N900, the forced-fake-hostmode on device-only micro-b) | 21:26 |
| _Thomas | cool | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only works on musb-hdrc controller (yeah I know the c controller is a pleyonasm) | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OTG however is the dualism (or call it schizphrenia ;-P) in that controller, the property to switch between host and gadget mode | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on the fly, with HNP and similar cruft | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody needs that | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I haven't hear of any real-life usecase yet, fo rOTG | 21:32 |
| _Thomas | i think some cameras are using it | 21:32 |
| _Thomas | to be a usb device when you connect to computer, but on the same time be able to have a mass storage device on the same usb port | 21:33 |
| _Thomas | (that you can then dump images too) | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I said, 2 decent USB ports, one host, one gadget, are much bigger than a friggin OTG port | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Thomas: indeed, sounds like a valid usecase | 21:33 |
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| _Thomas | That's almost the only one I can think of, tho | 21:33 |
| _Thomas | :) | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, on Openmoko Freerunner, we had no headache to switch between host and gadget mode on mere SW. And for that tere are actually some usecases, see h-e-n | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or N810 which did the same | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Thomas: anyway, extremely nice specs. If it's affordable, it will fly I'm sure | 21:36 |
| _Thomas | 199 USD seems to be acceptable by many | 21:36 |
| _Thomas | Some are comparing it to the r-pi, saying it's too expensive, tho | 21:37 |
| _Thomas | but I have even heard people thinking it's cheap, at 199 usd, so... | 21:37 |
| _Thomas | I guess sales will tell, really | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think it's reasonably priced | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, if it had a ethernet port too... ;-) | 21:39 |
| _Thomas | You can easily add one usb ethernet adapter ;) | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know :-) | 21:39 |
| _Thomas | but, yeah, it was under consideration | 21:39 |
| _Thomas | but space was an issue | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:39 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 just wonders what weird USB adapter cables you'll have to ship with it, to connect storage gadgets to a micro-F-USB | 21:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | standard-F-USB <-> micro-M-USB | 21:42 |
| _Thomas | We have several weird usb cables in our labs ;) | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | USB-cert will kill you when they get a hold of you XP | 21:43 |
| _Thomas | We already are certified :) | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey! | 21:44 |
| _Thomas | or, wait, we pay for the logo and vendor id | 21:44 |
| _Thomas | we didn't to do the cert yet | 21:44 |
| _Thomas | We decided to wait, more important ones like ce and fcc ;) | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | beware, I heard you won't get signed Windows drivers without USB-cert | 21:45 |
| _Thomas | We won't get anything windows, they have set some hardware requirements | 21:46 |
| _Thomas | 5 buttons and a screen, for instance | 21:46 |
| _Thomas | :) | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I ore thought of drivers for mass storage support | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more* | 21:47 |
| _Thomas | aha | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably can fake any other existing memory stick for that though | 21:48 |
| _Thomas | We don't need special drivers for our device | 21:48 |
| _Thomas | it works with standard windows drivers | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's what I meant | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, how do you forward all that HID stuff to it then? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt that's mass storage ;-) | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, you said "...on a Mac..." | 21:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh who cares about M$-signed drivers, after once it got installed by nodding off the "Warning!!! Non-signed driver! danger!" nonsense ;-) | 21:53 |
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| _Thomas | DocScrutinizer05: All the Mac/Windows see is a mass storage device | 21:56 |
| _Thomas | DocScrutinizer05: the rest is in our virtualization protocol | 21:56 |
| _Thomas | (on top of mass storage) | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, nifty | 21:56 |
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