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| marcosx86 | Hi | 02:10 |
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| marcosx86 | where can I find information about buiding my own Nemo/Mer images, for N900 for example? | 02:10 |
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| iekku | morning | 02:51 |
| iekku | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS ? | 03:00 |
| iekku | marcosx86, wiki should be your friend | 03:01 |
| marcosx86 | I read that OBS is a major tool for compiling packages, but there is another way to do the images? | 03:07 |
| marcosx86 | I already read* | 03:07 |
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| timoph | morning | 04:32 |
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| * Stskeeps limps towards the coffee machine | 04:38 | |
| * timoph heads to the soda machine :p | 04:39 | |
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| Bostik | morning guys | 04:42 |
| Stskeeps | morn Bostik | 04:43 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: new prerelease has new toolchain and i begin qt* integration when stskeeps.caffeine_level > stskeeps.caffeine_needed | 04:43 |
| timoph | oh. forgot to mention that I broke backwards compatibility on my version of rich-core | 04:43 |
| timoph | easyfix if we introduce lzop into mer | 04:44 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: yay! | 04:44 |
| timoph | imo bc in this case is not hat important | 04:44 |
| timoph | s/hat/that/ | 04:45 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: i guess only place it might matter is in crashreports website, or? | 04:46 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: yep. the extracting bit | 04:46 |
| timoph | so one need to use the maching version of extract | 04:47 |
| timoph | I'm thinking of renaming the dumps to something.rcore.gz to make the thing clear | 04:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, makes sense | 04:48 |
| Stskeeps | don't call a .gz .lzo ;) | 04:48 |
| timoph | currently it's just .rcore | 04:48 |
| timoph | was the lazy way to to do it since the current version of extract accepts file ending .rcore and .rcore.lzo | 04:49 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 04:49 |
| timoph | so need to change that as well :) | 04:49 |
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| timoph | also we need to test how fast the thing is with bigger dumps | 04:50 |
| timoph | tried it only with my failworld.c so far | 04:50 |
| Stskeeps | i also need to see how to deal with systemd a bit.. there's a feature for storing core dumps in journal and it isn't so good on mobile devices | 04:51 |
| timoph | lzop is supposed to be fast so using gz migth have impact on perf | 04:51 |
| Bostik | timoph: webkit generates quite a dump when it fails :) | 04:51 |
| timoph | :) | 04:52 |
| timoph | I think I'll write a simple webview thingie that crashes | 04:54 |
| iekku | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | 04:54 |
| timoph | fun to write code that's only purpose is to crash :) | 04:54 |
| iekku | timoph, :D | 04:55 |
| iekku | timoph, i think today is good day to come and visit you | 04:55 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly if to buy new laptop, or RAM upgrade.. | 04:55 | |
| timoph | iekku: already at work? (I am) | 04:56 |
| * iekku looks around, yep, at office | 04:57 | |
| timoph | :) | 04:57 |
| iekku | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | 04:57 |
| dm8tbr | good moaning | 04:57 |
| timoph | lunch? or do you need it earlier? | 04:58 |
| iekku | timoph, i have food with me, so lunch isn't a option. today having 2 triages, calendar empty for rest of the day | 04:59 |
| timoph | iekku: anything during the next 15 minutes? | 04:59 |
| iekku | let's have a smoking meeting :P | 04:59 |
| timoph | yep | 04:59 |
| iekku | i can walk to your office | 04:59 |
| iekku | or we can meet in the middle :P | 05:00 |
| timoph | I'll meet you hald way | 05:00 |
| iekku | now? | 05:00 |
| timoph | s/d/f/ | 05:00 |
| timoph | yeah | 05:00 |
| * timoph goes out | 05:00 | |
| iekku | --> | 05:00 |
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| iekku | <-- | 05:32 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, no, only XL | 05:36 |
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| curiosity | good morning | 05:43 |
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| veskuh | Mer SDK downloads do not have link to latest anymore so the wiki instructions do not work | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ^ | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | i think they were setting up the new IMG so | 06:31 |
| veskuh | obviously you can still download but you need to go to dir to see what is the latest | 06:32 |
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| Inquiry | Goodbye everyone. | 07:09 |
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| Stskeeps | that was quick | 07:10 |
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| Kypeli | veskuh: Just noticed the same. | 07:16 |
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| veskuh | I installed this SDK image mer-sdk-i486-chroot-6.0.2.tar.bz2 since it was to only one I could find, but it does not seem to contain SB2 | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | you might have to manually install it, zypper in scratchbox2? | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | should probably be there oob | 07:23 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: I think lbt is planning to move to smaller core sdk and pattern installs | 07:25 |
| lbt | morning | 07:25 |
| * lbt screwed up SDK last night - sorry | 07:25 | |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: right, though some core functionality ought to be there oob | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | mic, sb2, etc | 07:25 |
| phaeron | mic is not core imho | 07:26 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps, thanks got it via zypper | 07:26 |
| phaeron | veskuh: zypper in -t pattern Mer-SB2-armv7hl | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | from what i recall, the agreement was that sb2 contains what you typically need on a day to day basis on a mer-based system, as a developer | 07:26 |
| phaeron | lbt: right ? | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | if that has changed, we need to discuss it | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | er, not sb2, but sdk | 07:27 |
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| lbt | I included Mer-development-tools Mer-image-creation Mer-OBS-development by defauly | 07:27 |
| lbt | t | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:27 |
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| lbt | no sb2 tools | 07:27 |
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| veskuh | far more people need sb2 than image creation | 07:28 |
| lbt | typically 1st thing is to download Mer-SB2-<your-arch> | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | okay, let me ask it another way | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | does the guides tell you how to do this? | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:28 |
| lbt | it does/will | 07:28 |
| veskuh | At the moment guides are broken | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok, let's get the guides fixed first then | 07:29 |
| * lbt is on 4h sleep atm so I'm just getting on with it | 07:29 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ah, okay, i'll back off a bit then | 07:29 |
| * Stskeeps passes lbt the coffee pot | 07:29 | |
| lbt | ty - I stupidly thought I was serving images from the repo server - actually they came direct from IMG | 07:30 |
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| lbt | IMG was running debian which is deprecated atm | 07:30 |
| lbt | so I wiped + rebuilt it with Islam | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:30 |
| lbt | but then realised the SDK image went too | 07:30 |
| lbt | I don't have an old one to replace it with - but I'm about to release new SDK so figured lets just do that | 07:31 |
| lbt | bloody silly - don't code when tired | 07:31 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=Mer%3ATools ?? | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 07:32 |
| lbt | not finished | 07:32 |
| lbt | looks like PA has jumped the queue :) | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | i don't see any not finished there? | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-f5? | 07:33 |
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| lbt | veskuh: also, don't forget that for any company that wants to, it's trivial to make a specific SDK instance witht the exact package set needed locally | 07:40 |
| veskuh | lbt, well, I'm just grumpy whenever something goes to more manual direction for me | 07:42 |
| lbt | :) | 07:42 |
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| lbt | I do have a pattern for a 'full' SDK but it comes out at about 1G iirc | 07:43 |
| dm8tbr | manual direction as in 'there, RTFM'? ;) | 07:44 |
| timoph | was thinking more about the same statement applying the girlfriends/wifes :p | 07:44 |
| timoph | s/the/to/ | 07:44 |
| veskuh | dm8tbr, well, SB2 used to be there and now I have to do one more step by installing it. | 07:48 |
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| Kypeli | Isn't SB2 a vital tool for developers (as in D in SDK) so it should be there, so it missing for now is a mistake, right? | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: once you're more awake in some hours, give me some statistics on what sb2 + cross compilers cost in footprint | 07:50 |
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| lbt | yep | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | k | 07:51 |
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| lbt | OK https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK has been updated for 6.1.0 release of SDK | 08:47 |
| lbt | I'm about to take Denise to train - will walk through when I get back | 08:48 |
| lbt | if anyone wants to sanity check with me I'd appreciate it | 08:48 |
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| timoph | lbt: the patterns are a good addition | 08:56 |
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| iekku | mer bug triage starting soon | 10:56 |
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| lbt | iekku: can you chair/edit? I'll be present but am busy | 10:58 |
| iekku | lbt, sure i can | 10:58 |
| lbt | ty | 10:59 |
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| lbt | phaeron: can I do a changelog diff on 2 normal rpm repos ? | 13:15 |
| lbt | or rather; given your recent work on revs2: how can I best do a changelog diff on 2 normal rpm repos ? :) | 13:16 |
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| phaeron | lbt: ignoring the repo reporting tool for now , you can use the repodiff tool on any 2 rpmmd style repos | 13:27 |
| lbt | where does that live? | 13:28 |
| lbt | I want to check the SDK delta | 13:28 |
| * phaeron lost track , let me try to locate it | 13:29 | |
| lbt | OK - I wasn't sure if you had a git tree for it | 13:30 |
| lbt | yum utils maybe | 13:30 |
| phaeron | lbt: added it to boss-standard-workflow as util script , and module + participant | 13:32 |
| phaeron | some time ago | 13:33 |
| lbt | OK, ty | 13:33 |
| phaeron | will paste link once gitorious wakes up | 13:33 |
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| * lbt is beginning to falter | 13:34 | |
| lbt | my alarm kittens went off at 8am | 13:34 |
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| phaeron | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss-standard-workflow/blobs/master/modules/repo_diff.py | 13:36 |
| phaeron | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss-standard-workflow/blobs/master/utils/repodiff.py | 13:36 |
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| phaeron | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss-standard-workflow/blobs/master/participants/obs_repodiff.py | 13:37 |
| phaeron | it's actually packaged too , but not built yet | 13:37 |
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| lbt | UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u92f8' in position 2537: ordinal not in range(128) | 13:48 |
| lbt | :/ | 13:48 |
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| lbt | bbiab | 13:50 |
| phaeron | mm | 13:50 |
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| crevetor | morning everyone | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | morn crevetor | 14:05 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning ChickenCutlass | 14:10 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: hi there | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | ChickenCutlass: saw my latest video>? | 14:10 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: no URL? | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | ChickenCutlass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hvRP3rcF9o&feature=g-upl | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | very short, and i've done it in 1024x768 at 60fps too | 14:11 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: awesome | 14:11 |
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| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: so where is the qt5 branch for this? | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | ChickenCutlass: only thing it took was the TLS errno location | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | ChickenCutlass: rest is libhybris | 14:11 |
| ChickenCutlass | nice | 14:11 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: libhybris is working great | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | have you made any progress on your side? | 14:12 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm shocked that it worked this good with qmlscene | 14:12 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: so did you build a qpa plugin for qt | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | no, i just used the eglfs plugin | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | which is fullscreen egl | 14:13 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: I see | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | will be spending more time on it from now on, i'm packaging up qt5 beta1 today (waiting for it to finish building) | 14:15 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: excellent. Let me know what I can do | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | the next step is obviously to try out some more challenging tests on there | 14:15 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: Things are working nicely on my end as well | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | also, it might be good if we somehow can redirect errno as well so that works 'properly' | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | ie, start using glibc's errno location | 14:17 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: right. Which slot is glibc's? | 14:17 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: I also want to get things working on jellybean | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | well, i was thinking to just chicken out and just provide a unresolved symbol that bionic __errno function will use | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | and catch that in linker | 14:18 |
| ChickenCutlass | right | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | then we get internals of bionic 'doing the right thing' | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | the other side of things is that we might, on occasion, need to run android binaries | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | so we may need to have two libc.so's as such, one for android, one for libhybris | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | and be able to set up shared properties with those processes | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | think pvrsvrinit etc | 14:26 |
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| timoph | 'lo | 14:59 |
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| Stskeeps | lo timoph | 15:05 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: did you try rich-core yet? | 15:06 |
| timoph | I'm pondering what to do with it | 15:06 |
| timoph | the basics seem to work | 15:07 |
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| timoph | imo the real target of that should be a web service where you can send your cores manually or from test automation | 15:08 |
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| Stskeeps | perhaps sdk integration? | 15:10 |
| timoph | hmmh | 15:10 |
| timoph | not sure if I get what you mean by that | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | as in, extract core from device, get sb2 target with gdb and coreduump? | 15:11 |
| timoph | ah | 15:11 |
| lbt | phaeron: ty - a nap was all it took - I have a changelog | 15:12 |
| timoph | that's already quite easy(ish) to do | 15:12 |
| phaeron | lbt: cool | 15:12 |
| timoph | at least creating the target by rsyncing rootfs from the device worked | 15:12 |
| timoph | I could do a script to automate that | 15:13 |
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| timoph | takes 30+ minutes to run so imo only useful with automation | 15:13 |
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| lbt | b | 15:22 |
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| phaeron | lbt: the sdk snapshot we did yesterday is missing multi_c_rehash and a run of it | 15:29 |
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| lbt | that's not in Mer:Tools:Testing | 15:30 |
| phaeron | lbt: it's in Mer:Core | 15:31 |
| lbt | so you're saying you'd like it in the image by default ? | 15:31 |
| lbt | ah | 15:31 |
| lbt | I see | 15:31 |
| phaeron | well otherwise the ca-certs pack is unusable by curl for ex. | 15:31 |
| lbt | you're saying ca-certs should Require it and run it in post | 15:31 |
| lbt | bug :) | 15:32 |
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| Venemo | good mornin | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | how are things? | 17:05 |
| Venemo | they're okay... sort of. | 17:06 |
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| Venemo | I was wondering, what's the fastest way to cross-compile something for the raspberry? | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | probably sb2 | 17:06 |
| Venemo | I'm currently just using its default debian distro | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | potentially still sb2 | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | evening zumbi | 17:07 |
| zumbi | hi Stskeeps | 17:07 |
| Venemo | the mer sdk seems to be up to the task, but I haven't been able to figure it out yet | 17:07 |
| zumbi | does someone have a mx53 QSB-R board around here? | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | zumbi: i think sledges has been playing with one | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | zumbi: he had lipstick up on it | 17:08 |
| zumbi | I get a data abort while trying to boot it | 17:08 |
| zumbi | fun | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: phaeron: any idea how i can find out how a dependency is brought into a osc build? | 17:09 |
| zumbi | I wonder if he might be using u-boot and kernel from mainline | 17:09 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, is it possible to squeeze that debian image into the mer sdk and get it cross compiling? | 17:09 |
| Venemo | I know this may not be the way it meant to be used, but... | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: sure, it's just another image, but you might as well just use sb2 in debian directly | 17:09 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, "use sb2 in debian directly"? | 17:10 |
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| zumbi | Stskeeps: how is sb2 behaving for cross building packages? | 17:10 |
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| Stskeeps | zumbi: no complaints so far | 17:10 |
| zumbi | is it fast? | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | and we've been doing it since march-ish | 17:10 |
| Venemo | zumbi, yep, for me it is | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's good enough for me | 17:10 |
| zumbi | is it same as building native? | 17:11 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: you mean you want solver traces? | 17:11 |
| zumbi | I mean a week, for 3k packages | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | zumbi: it's much faster than qemu-based, yes | 17:11 |
| zumbi | nice | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | i do 320 packages quite a fair often | 17:12 |
| zumbi | how long does it take for mer's 320 packages? | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | half day ish? but that's with rebuilds due to OBS, etc | 17:13 |
| zumbi | that's good | 17:14 |
| zumbi | if I build time, I'll try to play with it | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: i haven't tested it with debian packages and SB2 | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | but it should theoretically be possible | 17:14 |
| zumbi | what scares me the most is that it can render miscompiled code, doing unaligned memory accesses, hence finding segfaults at runtime | 17:15 |
| zumbi | but I think V7 corrects those unaligned acceses | 17:15 |
| zumbi | actually, its not miscompiled code, but code that access unaligned memory chunks | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:19 |
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| resolver | any hints on where to find the git repo for https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290.. someone pls...thanks | 19:37 |
| Merbot | Bug 290: task, Low, ---, not-taken, NEW, Automatic time update feature not present | 19:37 |
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| marcosx86 | where can I find a decent usage guide thru OBS and image creation? | 21:27 |
| Jake9xx | marcosx86: did you look at the wiki ? | 21:27 |
| marcosx86 | yes, also on mailing list, saw interesting things about testing and ks files, but im in search or wider resources | 21:30 |
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| Jake9xx | marcosx86: there are good people working to get that level of documentation but it's not ready yet. You just need to try and experiment issues and if you see problems with SDK, talk it over in #mer or file a bug. If you have OSC and MIC (plus couple other tools) installed you should be able to create a flashable image | 21:33 |
| marcosx86 | I got a mic.appcreator module not found on my debian system, and then solved a lot of other dependency issues by running a lot of apt-get's. | 21:43 |
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