Tuesday, 2012-09-11

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timophmorning03:47
iekkumorning04:00
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deztructormorn04:53
Stskeepsmorn dez04:53
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lbt900morning all04:56
Stskeepsmorn04:57
lbt900we're starting to walk soon04:58
lbt900need coffee04:58
lbt900need coffee04:58
lbt900really need coffee04:58
timophdouble dose?04:59
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* timoph has rich-core build env setup in a n900 running nemo05:08
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Bostikmorning05:26
zchydemmorning05:30
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situMorning everyone05:40
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timoph\o/07:32
timophhttp://pastie.org/470014907:33
timophStskeeps: ^07:33
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timophdoesn't work as intended yet but at least it does something07:36
Stskeepstimoph: \o/07:39
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sivangtimoph: what does it do so far?08:20
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sivangStskeeps: I asked a patch submitter to include his full name in my review (http://review.merproject.org/#change,784) I think it is not too strict but other might, what's your opinion ?08:25
sivang(as in, the changelog(s))08:25
timophsivang: produces empty file :)08:27
timophfor some reason that I haven't figured out yet it doesn't write any content to the dump08:28
sivangtimoph: :) so you replace the core dump handler with yours, and you want to send all dumps to a specific location?08:29
timophit does a bit more that that08:30
timophI adds all kinds of usefull process information to the dump08:30
sivangtimoph: does this require kernel patching or just a libc call to install a new handler func?08:30
timophhence the name rich-core08:30
sivangtimoph: right, the default dump is rather sparse in my taste08:30
sivang(I've inspected a few in my time)08:30
timophno kernel patching required08:31
sivangtimoph: I'm going to watch you talk soon, I'll try pretending I'm sitting in New Factory08:31
timophjust need to set the pattern and enable dumping08:31
sivangtimoph: nice08:31
timoph(and get the thing to actually work)08:31
timoph:p08:32
timophthe thing that a dump is piped to is ~500 line shell script08:32
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sivangtimoph: heh, "get it to work" is hard?08:35
sivangtimoph: ~500, perhaps could be shortened in more higher level language? Have you checked Martin Pitt's apport?08:35
sivang(the python thingo from Ubuntu)08:35
timophyeah08:36
sivangprobaly the same size?08:36
timophimo this is better suited for this use case08:36
timophproven to work08:36
timophlight08:36
timophetc08:36
sivangtimoph: you've used something out of the ready?08:36
timophheh08:37
timophbme crashed08:37
sivanglol08:37
timophtoo bad this thing doesn't work yet08:37
sivangwatchdog supposed to restart it, no?08:37
sivang(I read somewhere running without bme is risky for battery/device)08:38
timophyeah08:38
* timoph likes to live on the edge08:38
sivang++08:38
sivang:)08:38
timophreboot time08:38
* sivang wonders what happens if watchdog dies08:39
Jopewhen you see sparks coming out of the li-ion cell, promptly throw the device out of the window08:40
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timoph:D08:40
sivangtimoph: maybe you could help me a bit now, I'd like to upgrade the source version of sudo08:40
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Jopeaka. defenestrate it :-D08:40
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timophsivang: upgrade sudo package?08:40
sivangtimoph: now, given OBS and BOSS, me thinks I could just patch an xml file, feed it to BOSS and viola.08:41
sivangtimoph: yes, as per https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37908:41
MerbotBug 379: critical, High, ---, sivang, NEW, sudo does not work08:41
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timophsudo works for me in the sdk08:42
sivangtimoph: true, but seems not to work on device (although I have an old image, granted)08:43
timophI'll try after I get this booted up again08:44
timophI have the latest image08:44
timophbtw, are you even supposed to do sudo on a device08:46
timophsu works just fine08:46
timophyep. sudo: command not found08:46
sivangtimoph: well, that's a good question08:47
* timoph doesn't get it08:47
Stskeepstimoph: bme crashes..?08:47
sivangtimoph: but I was setting to fix the bug without questioning its applicability08:47
sivangStskeeps: ^08:47
sivangStskeeps: perhaps due to the hook ?08:48
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timophStskeeps: yep. bme_RX-51-????-6-10043.rcore.lzo08:49
timophgot SIGABRT08:49
timophnot much more that I can tell about it since rich-core currently only produces empty files for me :)08:50
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timophStskeeps: most likely I somehow caused that. I'm also seeing a dump from sysctl (sigsegv)08:53
Stskeepsnice08:53
timophbeen playing around with that08:53
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timophStskeeps: although can't be sure if it's my doing since core dumping hasn't been enabled by default on the images09:11
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Stskeepsyeah, maybe unstable hw?09:17
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timophdunno. I'll write a fresh image and enable core dumping without rich-core and see if it still does it09:21
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Stskeepsok09:24
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timophStskeeps: it tries to pipe the file through lzop and since there's no lzop available...09:42
timophrich-core that is09:44
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smita_lbt_away, hi.. when i create an image through mic inside the sdk with this command -> sudo mic create fs mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.ks -o . --pkgmgr=yum --arch i486 --compress-disk-image=tar.bz2...... it gives me IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/proc/cpuinfo'... do you have any clue?09:52
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Stskeepssmita_: how did you enter the sdk?09:59
smita_Stskeeps, /srv/mer/sdks/sdk/mer-sdk-chroot enter09:59
Stskeepsok, did you do 'mount' too?10:00
smita_Stskeeps, yes10:00
Stskeepsookay..10:00
Stskeepsinside the sdk, 'mount'10:00
smita_Stskeeps, i used this -> /srv/mer/sdks/sdk/mer-sdk-chroot mount10:01
Stskeepsyes, but the mount command inside10:01
smita_Stskeeps, you mean this -> /srv/mer/sdks/sdk/mer-sdk-chroot mount10:02
smita_sorry10:02
Stskeepsno, just mount on it's own :)10:02
smita_    sudo rm /etc/mtab; sudo ln -s /proc/self/mounts /etc/mtab10:02
Stskeepsjust run the 'mount' command, no mer-sdk-chroot, etc10:02
smita_Stskeeps, mount10:03
smita_warning: failed to read mtab10:03
smita_Stskeeps, that it says when i give mount inside sdk10:03
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Stskeepsok, can you unmount and mount again with sdk-chroot?10:08
smita_ok10:08
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smita_Stskeeps, now its a stranger problem10:25
smita_Stskeeps, sudo mic create fs mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.ks -o . --pkgmgr=yum --arch i486 --compress-disk-image=tar.bz210:25
smita_Error <kickstart>: 'mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.ks': The following problem occurred on line 1 of the kickstart file:10:25
smita_Unknown command: BZh91AY&SY�/M�10:25
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dcthangsmita_: pls use pastebin for those commands10:26
smita_dcthang, ok10:26
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zuhIf I run zypper ref in the sdk for a sb2 target I get a slew of errors: http://pastie.org/470086310:41
zuhWhile it doesn't seem to be fatal, any ideas what is wrong?10:41
zuh(and how to fix it)10:41
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timophmv /var/lib/rpm/Pubkeys /tmp/10:44
timophrpm --rebuilddb10:44
timophzuh: try that ^10:44
zuhWithin the target I assume?10:44
timophyep10:44
zuhhmm, the target doesn't appear to have that... I'll try the rebuilddb10:45
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timophjust noticed10:45
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zuhIt gave the same errors, but now zypper ref is silent. So, problem "solved" :)10:46
zuhThanks10:46
timoph:)10:46
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zuhHmph, problem moved it seems. Now I get the 'Header SHA1 digest: BAD' error for to-be-installed rpms10:52
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zuhhttp://pastie.org/470092510:52
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timophzuh: I'd try removing the rpm db files and do rpm --rebuilddb11:03
timoph/var/lib/rpm/__db* that is11:04
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zuhNo help11:07
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timophhmmh11:10
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zuhhttp://pastie.org/470104311:21
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Stskeepszuh: what is your root?11:33
Stskeepsfor sb2 init11:33
Stskeepssb2-init output especially11:33
zuhI followed https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Target_Setup11:36
zuhhttp://pastie.org/470112811:37
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zuhAh, doh. I've been running sb2 commands somewhere else than in the target root dir11:45
zuhRunning in the target root, everything works fine11:47
* zuh thought it was only sb-init that cared11:47
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Stskeepsit matters a tiny bit11:49
Bostikhmh, just found out I'll be in Hki on thu+fri next week11:57
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ChickenCutlassStskeeps: hello.12:32
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crevetor_good morning all12:45
sledgeasmorning crevetor_12:45
StskeepsChickenCutlass: heya12:46
StskeepsChickenCutlass: am abroad so my answers will be slow12:46
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: ok, np.  I spoke too soon.  So when using __thread in glibc program we still have a problem12:47
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StskeepsChickenCutlass: so what did you find that broke with that?12:47
Guest4054hi Stskeeps12:47
Stskeepslo zumbi12:47
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: if a glibc program uses __thread the variable in the thread is NULL.  It gets clobbered12:48
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StskeepsChickenCutlass: i think that may not be a libhybris issue12:48
StskeepsChickenCutlass: we just experienced that on snwoball too12:48
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ChickenCutlassStskeeps: so it works if I do not use hybris12:48
Stskeepsyes, but this particular error is really random12:48
Stskeepsbut yes12:48
Stskeeps__thread is another nice area12:49
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: so we re-implemented the __thread using pthread_key_create and the pthread API.12:49
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: I then overrode pthread_key_creste in hooks.c12:50
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: and found the destructor is always NULL12:50
Stskeeps   OK12:50
Stskeepser, ok12:50
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ChickenCutlassStskeeps: could the thread_id be getting in the way12:51
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ChickenCutlassStskeeps: so after more tracing.  It is actually the call to pthread_getspecific that returns a NULL key.13:25
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rcg-workxD13:33
rcg-workerr13:33
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smita_hi, i am new to osc..when i change something in a file and do osc st, it shows nothing.. whats wrong15:28
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smita_Stskeeps, ^15:31
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Stskeepssmita_: which file? one of the ones osc checked out?16:15
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smita_Stskeeps, i checked out the package and untar the tar.gz and then i made the changes in the untar version16:16
Stskeepssmita_: ok, so, life isn't that easy :) the modifications you do to the unpacked tar.gz needs to go into the packaging as patches16:17
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Stskeepssmita_: so you can diff -ru original-unpack changed-unpack > patchfile.patch and add it in .spec file16:18
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StskeepsChickenCutlass: is the __thread stuff in android space or glibc space?16:22
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: so some more data.16:23
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: a simple c program using __thread and the pthread api and hybris works.16:23
Stskeepsok16:23
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: using from c++ is a problem16:23
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: need to confirm it is not just a bug in the program16:24
Stskeepswell, we are tinkering literally with fundamental parts, so16:24
ChickenCutlassyes16:25
Stskeepsi am on business travel atm, so i don't have my touchpad along :/16:26
ChickenCutlassnp16:26
Stskeepsso you had no odd effects from providing your own bionic for your setup?16:27
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: no, not yet16:27
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: been able to access the hw sensors over hybris16:28
Stskeepsoh cool16:28
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: like camera, acceleromter etc..16:28
Stskeepsnot bd16:28
Stskeepsbad16:28
Stskeepshow about RIL? :)16:28
ChickenCutlasshave not tried yet16:28
Stskeepsok16:28
Stskeepsbut good to know that it's factually possible16:28
Stskeeps.. so what did you have working with camera?16:33
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smita_Stskeeps, ok now i added the patch in the .spec file..still osc diff shows nothing16:44
Stskeepsif you edited the .spec file it should16:45
smita_Stskeeps, it showed me the .spec file changes..but not the code changes16:45
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Stskeepsright, now osc add yourpatch.patch16:45
smita_Stskeeps, ok but osc st doesnt give the code file name, while osc diff shows the changes16:47
Stskeepsshow me osc st output?16:48
smita_Stskeeps,  osc st16:48
smita_M    libaccounts-qt.spec16:48
smita_A    mypatch.patch16:48
Stskeepslooks fine16:48
Stskeepsnow osc commit?16:49
smita_Stskeeps, i dont want to create a commit now.. was just checking16:50
Stskeepsok16:50
smita_Stskeeps, now to build the pckg, i will build and install and my changes should reflect right?16:51
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Stskeepsi'd hope so16:53
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CosmoHillhi17:12
Stskeepsevening17:12
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CosmoHillhow are you Stskeeps ?17:15
Stskeepsi'm good, enjoying scandinavia atm17:15
CosmoHillcool17:15
CosmoHillI'm enjoying a cup of tea atm17:16
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CosmoHillwe have a office puppy now17:19
CosmoHillStskeeps: the bbc are going nuts about 4G today17:23
Stskeepsyou first have 4g now? ;p17:23
CosmoHillit's like "omg 4G" btw, you need a new phone, to change your network and only works in 16 cities17:23
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CosmoHillit sucks when they go "3G is slow" then show it running faster than my broadband17:25
Stskeepstimoph: so how's rich core going?17:25
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timophStskeeps: cores drop17:31
Stskeepsok, cool17:32
timophchanged it to use gzip instead of lzop17:32
timophneed to try extracting and getting a bt from them next17:33
Stskeeps:nod:17:33
timophwhen that works -> packaging -> wiki docs17:33
Stskeeps:nod:17:33
timophsome small daemon that shows nofication when something crashes might be usefull17:34
Stskeepsyes17:35
timophneed to consult w00t about it since I seem to recall him talking about QFileSystemWatcher sucking or something and that's what I'd use :)17:37
timophthere's this -> http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-quality-assurance/crash-reporter17:38
Stskeepswell, you can just send a notification to the session debus.. maybe17:39
timophbut we don't have anything to send dumps with it17:39
Stskeepsdbus17:39
timophhmmh. true17:39
timophbut yeah. seems to be progressing nicely17:44
timophbtw, do we build debug packages for mer & nemo?17:45
Stskeepsyes17:45
timophgood17:45
Stskeepsmer you need to enable it in /etc/zypp/repos.d17:45
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phaeronlbt_away: http://pastebin.com/XunnrHfB17:54
Stskeepsevening fk_lx o/17:54
fk_lxhello Stskeeps17:55
fk_lxnice to see you17:55
Stskeepsfk_lx: thanks for a good conference17:55
fk_lxStskeeps: thanks that you liked it :-)17:55
Stskeepsphaeron: is that from a mer snapshot?17:55
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phaeronStskeeps: during sdk upgrade17:56
Stskeepsphaeron: intruiging17:56
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Stskeepsman, i look forward to having quickbuild on my sdk17:59
Stskeepsrebuilding glibc is such a chore17:59
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Stskeepsevening lbt90018:22
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spoofyHello ;)18:24
Stskeepshello spoofy :)18:24
Stskeepswelcome to #mer :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :)18:24
spoofyI'm just another n900 user and I'm just curious :D18:25
Stskeepssure :)18:25
Stskeepswhere are you from in .pl? i live in warsaw myself18:25
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spoofyI hope jollamobile nad mer will be our redemption18:25
spoofyYeah I'm from poland ;)18:25
spoofyNice to see you ;)18:25
spoofyHeh.. How many polish developers/users are here, huh? :D18:26
* Stskeeps ponders18:26
Stskeepsgood question18:26
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Stskeeps5-6 ish of polish nationality? i'm not polish though :)18:26
Stskeepsjust live here18:26
spoofyI know only arcean and Taziff :D18:27
spoofyStskeeps: gosh.. How do u like this country?18:27
Stskeepsspoofy: married polish girl, moved here, low tax..18:27
Stskeepswell, i'm fine18:27
Stskeeps:P18:27
spoofyYeah Polish girls are fine :D18:28
spoofyUgh.. So - What can you tell me about mer and jollamobile?18:28
spoofySome news?18:28
Stskeepswell, jolla's just another vendor, using mer  project18:28
Stskeepsthey contribute and hire a bunch of the mer developers18:29
Stskeepsbut mer itself is an independent open source project for multiple companies18:29
Stskeeps#jollamobile also exists18:29
spoofyyou mer guys doing awsome work.. I rly admire you18:29
Stskeepsthanks18:29
Stskeepsugh, another tourist bus accident..18:30
* Stskeeps catches up on polish news (i'm abroad this week)18:30
spoofyYeah..18:30
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spoofyactually I came here for one reason.. I have a problem to compile postgres on maemo18:31
spoofyIn scratchbox it compile but I cannot make a .deb package18:32
Stskeepshehe, sounds a bit interesting for a mobile device..18:32
Stskeepsyou might have more fun in #maemo or #harmattan18:32
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Stskeepshello HiChen :)18:33
spoofyThese guys on #maemo are so busy and do not respond18:33
Stskeepsit's been so long since i've touched maemo myself sadly18:34
spoofyThe making another philosophicial talk  bateries in n90018:34
Stskeepsheh :)18:34
spoofythey*18:34
Stskeepstried tmo?18:35
spoofyUh.. So probably I'm alone.. I'm trying to make metasploit fully work on maemo18:35
spoofySince metasploit 4.x.x they don't support mysql and sqlite18:36
Stskeeps:nod:18:37
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cat_x301Stskeeps: what is the alternative to syslog in mer?18:56
Stskeeps'journalctl'18:57
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* cat_x301 needs to google this..18:57
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ChickenCutlassStskeeps: if you are still there.19:30
Stskeepsmm?19:31
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: so19:31
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: it looks like the problem is if you create a tls variable (key) before calling hybris19:31
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: then call hybris19:31
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: it gets wiped out19:31
Stskeepsok, so something overwrites those fields19:31
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: the linker clears the slots19:31
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: so if you just init hybris first thing all is ok19:32
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Stskeepsthe linker is the one clearing it? hmm19:32
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: or patch bionic to not memset 0 the slots19:32
Stskeepsah, right, it's jb?19:32
ChickenCutlassStskeeps: no ICS19:32
Stskeepsok19:32
Stskeepsi think patching bionic is probably the way forward, or at least, only patch where we want it to patch19:33
ChickenCutlassyup19:33
Stskeepser, memset19:34
Stskeepswatching glibc build locales on arm is like watching paint dry19:35
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Guest77427Is there a dedicated 'kickstarter' file for the latest MerSDK package => "mer-sdk-i486-chroot-full-6.0.2.tar.bz2" (uploaded to public on 2012-Aug-12 23:25:00)?20:39
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Stskeepshmm, i'd hope so20:42
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Stskeepslbt ^20:42
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lbtmissed it20:43
lbtneed a repeater :)20:43
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Stskeeps[22:39] <Guest77427> Is there a dedicated 'kickstarter' file for the latest MerSDK package =>20:43
Stskeeps                     "mer-sdk-i486-chroot-full-6.0.2.tar.bz2" (uploaded to public on 2012-Aug-12 23:25:00)?20:43
lbterm20:44
lbtsomewhere... probably...20:44
lbtGuest77427: tbh ... that 602 image is badly out of date20:45
lbtGuest77427: I have set a goal of resolving the mess of SDK publishing20:48
lbtso watch this space over the next couple of weeks (or less)20:48
Guest77427lbt: Well, if 602 is out-of-date then, I presume I should be using  MerSDK package => "mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot-0.20120517.1.tar.bz2"... Right?20:49
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lbtOK - so what's happened is I republished 6.0.2 several times20:49
lbtso if you install it and follow the upgrade instructions on the wiki you should get the latest20:50
lbtGuest77427: if the aim is to reproduce that specific tarball then that's tricky20:52
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Guest77427lbt: At present, I'm try a fresh installation of MerSDK on my development machine... Well, what I need is access to the latest MerSDK package... If I understood you correct, then I should install "mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot-0.20120517.1.tar.bz2" and then upgrade... is it right?20:56
lbtinstall pretty much any SDK and upgrade to 6.0.220:56
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Guest77427lbt: Great, I will install "mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot-0.20120517.1.tar.bz2" and then upgrade it to 6.0.2... I'm approaching this way because I clearly see there is a dedicated kickstarter file for => "mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot-0.20120517.1.tar.bz2".21:00
lbtok21:01
Guest77427lbt: Thanks for your guidance :)21:01
lbtGuest77427: no problem - we're working on making the SDK experience much better21:06
lbtlet me know if you have any issues with the upgrade (and treat 6.0.2 as a dynamic/testing release)21:07
Guest77427lbt: OK21:08
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