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| dakovaci | thanks for uploading :D | 00:01 |
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| iekku | morning | 02:53 |
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| Stskeeps | moen | 03:48 |
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| phinaliumz | good morning | 03:50 |
| JvD_ | morning | 03:50 |
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| * Stskeeps looks forward to his .fi travel | 04:01 | |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, :) | 04:34 |
| iekku | i was late from previous bus about ~5mins, so needed to wait 25min for the next. it's not so warm anymore | 04:35 |
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| iekku | freezing | 04:35 |
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| zchydem | Stskeeps: welcome to cold Finland. It was almost 0C this morning... | 05:19 |
| Bostik | or for short - welcome to HEL | 05:20 |
| zchydem | heh... | 05:21 |
| Bostik | Dante might have a deja vu... | 05:22 |
| iekku | hell-sin-in | 05:22 |
| iekku | hell-sink-in even | 05:22 |
| zchydem | :) | 05:22 |
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| iekku | i should also look forecast yesterday | 05:23 |
| iekku | it seems that +20 what they promissed last week isnät going to happen... | 05:24 |
| iekku | uh, hard to write, huge lag | 05:24 |
| Stskeeps | zchydem: and it'll be 28C here today | 05:24 |
| zchydem | Stskeeps: nice! Sometimes it makes me wonder, why do I live here. It's 6 months of darkness, cold and wet here... | 05:26 |
| zchydem | but otherwise, quite nice:) | 05:26 |
| iekku | hmmm, i should buy snowshoes | 05:33 |
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| timoph | iekku: highly recommmended | 06:31 |
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| kyyberi | hi again | 06:44 |
| kyyberi | after a _few_ days | 06:44 |
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| Kypeli_ | In Mer / Nemo bugs, what's the differernce between task and enhancement? | 07:12 |
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| veskuh | Kypeli_: Good question, normally I'd expect definition to be in bugzilla itself: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#importance | 07:14 |
| veskuh | Kypeli_: but task is not defined there as far as I see.. iekku ^^ | 07:14 |
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| Kypeli_ | Yeah... | 07:15 |
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| iekku | veskuh, please file a bug for me for nemo | 07:17 |
| iekku | in mer it's somewhere i think | 07:17 |
| iekku | i will go those through anyway | 07:17 |
| veskuh | iekku: ok | 07:17 |
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| sivang | howdy | 07:21 |
| * sivang saw the hack day pictures, and, well nothing to say than 'wish I was there' :) | 07:21 | |
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| lbt | morning all | 07:44 |
| sivang | hey lbt :) | 07:44 |
| sivang | dm8tbr: was it cold in that picture? You guys seems to be well dressed | 07:45 |
| dm8tbr | hm? | 07:45 |
| iekku | link to the photos? | 07:48 |
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| sivang | dm8tbr, iekku : sorry, yes the fb img Carol posted. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151013284255686&set=a.423769375685.211381.700580685&type=1&theater¬if_t=photo_reply | 08:12 |
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| sivang | keskustori | 08:12 |
| tanuk | lbt: Could you give Meego COBS access to my another meego.com account: tanuk. (Previously you have already given access to tanuk2.) Sorry for the hassle, but I like to have two "identities": one for free time contribution (tanuk) and one for work (tanuk2). | 08:12 |
| * dm8tbr doesn't fakebook | 08:13 | |
| sivang | dm8tbr: haha 'fakebook' | 08:13 |
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| lbt | tanuk: sure; done - have double the fun :) | 08:18 |
| tanuk | lbt: Thanks a lot! | 08:18 |
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| dm8tbr | sivang: that picture was taken while waiting for the bus back to herwood forrest. it was not so warm and as the weather was mixed people had brought their jackets. | 08:21 |
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| iekku | mer bug triage starting now | 11:01 |
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| kontio | any body ever tried to connect the device via usb from a kvm virtual host? the vm recognized the usb device, and I could configure usb0 with 192.168.2.14, and also the device has 192.168.2.15 configured on usb0... but ping/ssh does not work :-( any other trick needed to make it work? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | kontio: is networkmanager somehow involved? | 11:42 |
| kontio | hmm guess should be anybody instead of 'any body'... isn't the same ;-) no networkmanager is should not be involved in vm, but in host system... | 11:42 |
| kontio | oh no damn there is a network manager... | 11:44 |
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| pq | Stskeeps, hi, I'm looking into hybris again. I got ChickenCutlass' changes, but still banging my head on segfault at eglMakeCurrent time on test_egl. | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | pq, at physical work, will answer later | 12:06 |
| pq | Stskeeps, just FYI :-) | 12:07 |
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| kontio | I think I can rule out NetworkManager, is it even supposed to work through vm (kvm) the usb network? if it does not work then I can stop to try :-) | 12:18 |
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| ScriptRipper | Moin Stskeeps | 12:24 |
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| lbt | vesse / phaeron: look at https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Albt%3Abundler and https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=README&package=boss-bundle&project=home%3Albt%3Abundler&rev=8c1e9e09144d797d5005203cace3e229 | 13:54 |
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| phaeron | lbt: might be useful , but qareports wants to use rvm as well , not only bundler | 13:55 |
| lbt | IMO rvm is a bad idea for a production server | 13:55 |
| lbt | unless it has some packaging/deployment mechanism I don't know about | 13:55 |
| phaeron | lbt: I am not saying it is bad or good , I am saying it's what is documented | 13:57 |
| lbt | *nod* | 13:58 |
| phaeron | lbt: it also allows running multiple ruby versions as separate users. which is easier than running multiple vms | 13:58 |
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| vesse | lbt / phaeron: there's no need to use rvm, we've just included in the documentation because we use it and like it | 14:15 |
| vesse | ruby shipped with your linux distro often has problems related to gems, versions, or such | 14:16 |
| vesse | and at least in my opinion keeping ruby up-to-date is easier with rvm than with compiling from sources | 14:16 |
| vesse | but that's just matter of opinion. rvm needs some tweking for .bashrc, .bash_profile and alike due to different files being read in different situations | 14:18 |
| vesse | phaeron: btw, if you have ideas, needs or problems related to qa reports let me know. | 14:20 |
| lbt | vesse: yep - it's the usual issue :) | 14:23 |
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| phaeron | vesse: yes I do have some, the most annoying issue I found was that an empty results file causes QAreports to fail the whole upload request ( rest api ) | 14:30 |
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| francois___ | hello | 14:58 |
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| francois___ | I'm still trying to make scratchbox2 work with my standalone OBS server | 14:59 |
| francois___ | I applied the patches to obs-build in a personal branch of the opensuse tools factory | 15:00 |
| francois___ | I am now trying to replicate Core:armv7l to play with it | 15:01 |
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| francois___ | The 10 x86 packages have built successfully | 15:02 |
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| francois___ | however when building for arm it says that sb2-tools-armv7l-inject is missing | 15:04 |
| francois___ | although it has been build as far as I can tell | 15:05 |
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| Stskeeps | check your prj conf having right ExportFilters | 15:15 |
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| cat1 | Stskeeps: ping | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | plonk | 15:34 |
| cat1 | :) | 15:35 |
| cat1 | regarding lib32/lib64 issue: do we consider this a problem? | 15:35 |
| cat1 | the fix is trivial though. | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | it's something that needs to be documented at least, or bug made | 15:37 |
| cat1 | ok, will try to create bug report | 15:37 |
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| cat1 | failed. i hoped my old meego account would do the magic. | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | bugs.merproject.org is a completely different system | 15:42 |
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| cat1 | well, maybe i will do something about this later. besides, it looks like it is only me who has this mini-issue. | 15:43 |
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| pq | Stskeeps, did you have any ideas about informing gdb about bionic-libs in hybris? Or should it just work? It doesn't seem to even notice libs being loaded. | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | pq: it isn't, and unless you want a headache you don't want to dive into how gdb figures out that stuff in the first place :) | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | i do have some ideas, but they come afterwards the bionic changes i may need to do | 17:14 |
| pq | I already have a headache for not being able to see what segfaults :-P | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's not exactly the funniest way.. sec | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | log.08-20-2012:[13:34:14]<Stskeeps> (gdb) print find_containing_library(0xafd11420)->strtab + find_containing_symbol(0xafd11420, find_containing_library(0xafd11420))->st_name | 17:14 |
| pq | ChickenCutlass, hey, you're here. How did you get hybris running GLESv2 on GN/ICS, exactly? | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | 0xafd11420 being place something fails | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | tells you the function name | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:15 |
| pq | Stskeeps, ooh, thanks. | 17:16 |
| pq | Stskeeps, btw. do you have an idea whether to keep the gingerbread/ics/jb separation or could they be merged? I could look at the diffs, if you haven't. | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | i think it may make sense to keep them seperate.. but logic also kind of dictates it should be able to load old binaries | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | my goal is to do libhybris once i'm home from helsinki | 17:18 |
| pq | logic? are you sure? we have some? :-o | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeaah.. :P | 17:18 |
| pq | I also have a huge urge to clean up the hybris sources, but realize that this is probably not the time. | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'm fine with cleaning up sources, but i think as a start i want to be able to build a bionic of my own | 17:20 |
| pq | so I've just hacked stuff for now | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | so we can 1) fix the errno TLS slot issue 2) start breaking more things | 17:21 |
| pq | fork the whole bionic repo? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | basically we need to move some things into TLS locations where it won't interfere with glibc | 17:23 |
| pq | are those abstracted enough, so they didn't get hardcoded into every lib built against bionic? | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | except for the opengl slot, as far as i can see | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | opengl slot is OK, it's in a padded area.. | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:25 |
| pq | oookay | 17:25 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. well, needless to say i don't like bionic | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:26 |
| ChickenCutlass | pq: yes. I am running it on a galaxy nexus | 17:27 |
| ChickenCutlass | pq: using an armel chroot | 17:27 |
| ChickenCutlass | pq: I bind mounted /system into the chroot to have the android libraries | 17:27 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: also to let you know -- I re-built bionic with the change of moving errno to slot 5 and it fixed a bunch of problems | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | ChickenCutlass: oh cool | 17:28 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: like to atoi one I was having | 17:28 |
| pq | ChickenCutlass, funny, I imagine I did exactly the same, and I used your patches, and test_egl just segfaults after getting to eglMakeCurrent | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | ChickenCutlass: happy to know that. how difficult was it to do a only-bionic build? | 17:29 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: I built a mimimum android | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:29 |
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| ChickenCutlass | pq: did you copy /system/vendor to /vendor | 17:29 |
| pq | ChickenCutlass, I did a bind mount, don't think that is a separate fs? | 17:30 |
| ChickenCutlass | pq: if you look on the phone /vendor is a symlink to /system/vendoe | 17:30 |
| pq | oooh, missed that | 17:30 |
| pq | thanks | 17:30 |
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| pq | hey, I could try strace, too :-o | 17:33 |
| pq | ...but it probably misses all calls from bionic. Will have to see. | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | syscalls are syscalls | 17:34 |
| pq | I don't know what mechanism strace uses for those | 17:35 |
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| timoph | evening, squires! | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | evening timoph | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | how's rich core going? | 17:52 |
| mord | ~ | 17:52 |
| mord | 17:52 | |
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| timoph | know what I mean, nudge nudge | 17:52 |
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| timoph | got it to compile. didn't do anything else yet | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:52 |
| mord | err. sorry for the noise, failed ssh suspend | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:53 |
| timoph | it's using systemv atm so need to adapt it to systemd | 17:53 |
| timoph | just thinking does it need to be a service | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, maybe a sysctl.d or something | 17:54 |
| timoph | well yeah. enabling disabling should be something like that | 17:54 |
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| timoph | anyway, I first planning to just hack it together directly on a device | 17:56 |
| timoph | 'm | 17:56 |
| timoph | once I get a processed core out of it I'll start thinking about how to package, etc. it | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:57 |
| timoph | some use for my exopc | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | i brought my exopc and a keyboard to finland. | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:58 |
| timoph | :) | 17:58 |
| timoph | I need to get a better kb for it | 17:58 |
| timoph | I'm using it currently with a rubber kb | 17:58 |
| timoph | http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/19099/kqrm/Delta-TB-197-mininappaimisto-USB-PS-2 | 17:59 |
| timoph | that really sucks ^ :) | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | ChickenCutlass: out of curiousity.. after the errno fix | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | what problems do you have now? | 18:47 |
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| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: nothing right now :) | 18:47 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: but need to test more. | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | oh that's interesting | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, of course, the errno's for wrapped functions will be foodbar | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | foobar | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | ie, glibc doesn't send the errno to the right place for the bionic __errno() to see it | 18:49 |
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| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: right | 18:52 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: so how do we fix that? | 18:52 |
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| Stskeeps | well, we can be mean and simply, erm, make an unresolved symbol in bionic that we catch in libhybris hooks | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | so it actually goes to the right errno place | 18:55 |
| ChickenCutlass | Stskeeps: not bad | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | ie, rewrite __errno | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | evening shmerl | 18:55 |
| shmerl | Hi! | 18:55 |
| shmerl | I was just looking at the list of Mer packages and noticed that telepathy and farstream aren't there. | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | correct, they're in Nemo for example | 18:55 |
| shmerl | Do you think they should be part of the core? | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | i don't see a huge reason for them to be | 18:55 |
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| shmerl | They are base communication libraries. | 18:55 |
| shmerl | I.e. they can be optional in the repo. | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, except we don't do optional in mer | 18:55 |
| shmerl | But why duplicating them in each vendor? | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | it has to be there for a reason | 18:55 |
| shmerl | From what I understand mobile is all about communication. | 18:56 |
| shmerl | So they are quite belonging there. | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | and you'd probably be surprised to hear some don't like telepathy for that, but instead other tools.. | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | that's another good topic.. and the idea was to have a common pick-off-shelf repo people could use | 18:56 |
| shmerl | Not surprised actually :) | 18:56 |
| shmerl | some use libpurple. | 18:56 |
| shmerl | But telepathy isn't that bad. | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't, but it also adds to the amount of QA we need to do | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | and then we end up with the unmaintainable mess meego was.. | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:57 |
| shmerl | So you plan to make some optional add-ons repo for Mer? | 18:57 |
| shmerl | Which vendors will be able to share? | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, mer:tools is a bit in that direction | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | and vendors are more likely to take pieces and put them the right place in their own stack | 18:58 |
| shmerl | I see. | 18:58 |
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| shmerl | Since people are complaining that Skype and etc. are missing, I was thinking how video calling could work with telepathy/farstream. | 18:59 |
| shmerl | But codecs belong to the core? | 18:59 |
| shmerl | Like Opus, VP8 and etc.? | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | that is a little more likely, yeah | 19:00 |
| shmerl | Opus is rather new but it's the best audio codec out there. | 19:01 |
| shmerl | http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0266.html#codecs-opus | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:02 |
| shmerl | So if some common library is added which isn't mandatory, it will go to mer:tools in the future to avoid duplications? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, some kind of off-the-shelf components thing would be good in future | 19:05 |
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| crevetor_ | watching devaamo videos I wish I lived in Finland | 20:33 |
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| Stskeeps | it's certainly an innovative place.. the nokia crap might actually cause a lot of innovation in that area | 20:52 |
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| crevetor_ | Stskeeps: yup | 20:54 |
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| crevetor_ | hopefully tonight I'll have working autoWhiteBalancing in fcam and will be able to produce a decent looking photo :) | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | woo :) | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | how much control do you have over the sensor by now / lens / flash? | 20:55 |
| crevetor_ | Stskeeps: Flash is pretty much done, lens I need to take care of. | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | good work :) | 20:57 |
| crevetor_ | But I want to have whitebalance working to get rid of the blue tone I get on every picture :) | 20:57 |
| arcean | crevetor, out of curiosity do you have working viewfinder on n950? | 20:57 |
| crevetor_ | I can already controle exposure/gain etc | 20:57 |
| crevetor_ | arcean: not ATM. It's only console base capture | 20:57 |
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| crevetor_ | arcean: but once the fcam N950 driver works I don't think it'll be really hard to get a viewfinder working (I think example5 has a viewfinder) | 20:58 |
| arcean | crevetor, I'm keeping my fingers crossed :) | 20:59 |
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| crevetor_ | arcean: :) | 21:00 |
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