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| lpotter | I mean rotation | 01:15 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:28 |
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| Stskeeps | lpotter: rotation reported in where? | 06:42 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, morn | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | morn faenil | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | how was the event? | 06:47 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, just great :) | 06:55 |
| faenil | the only thing is it was too short :) | 06:56 |
| faenil | only had time to talk to some people and then install Nemo on the N950 of a guy I met :) | 06:56 |
| faenil | but talks were very good, especially Stefano's one, there has been many questions about Jolla, and he has answered them all (not always in detail for obvious reasons) | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | for once i was just happy to watch and let good community members do their work :) | 07:00 |
| faenil | :) the IRC QA was great too :D | 07:01 |
| faenil | but anyway, it's a pity I couldn't talk much to iekku Sage and matrixx ...I would have liked to know them better :) | 07:03 |
| faenil | also, I haven't talked to Stefano because he left soon :( | 07:03 |
| faenil | but it's been very nice, I've helped setting up in the morning and packing up things in the evening, and Devaamo guys have been very kind to me :) really appreciated that :) | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | they're good guys | 07:04 |
| faenil | yeah, definitely | 07:04 |
| faenil | now I should probably get dressed, I'm in my "couch" without a T-shirt, and you can't do that in Tampere without freezing :D | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 07:05 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, there was a very tall woman...does it remind you of anyone? | 07:09 |
| faenil | red-ish hair I think | 07:09 |
| faenil | with a bag full of tablets and microcontrollers, and all kind of stuff :) | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | kate ahola? | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | generally when speaking of a very tall woman with red-ish hair, that's her | 07:10 |
| faenil | bingo! yes it's her :) | 07:11 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: um, yesterday there was another tall woman with red her kate had in tow ;) | 07:13 |
| dm8tbr | s/her/hair/ | 07:13 |
| dm8tbr | ECAFFEINE | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: ah, karoliina sammilinen (spelling wrong) | 07:14 |
| dm8tbr | Salminen I believe :) | 07:15 |
| faenil | kate sounded very confident in herself, I liked her spirit :) | 07:15 |
| dm8tbr | and yes, looks like her | 07:15 |
| Sage | faenil: yeah, sorry we couldn't talk much. Didnt really expect that much people coming around me to talk after the presentations were done. :) | 07:19 |
| faenil | Sage, np :) hope we'll have a chance to meet again ;) | 07:20 |
| Sage | I'm sure we will :) | 07:21 |
| faenil | :) | 07:21 |
| Sage | It is small world after all | 07:21 |
| faenil | yeeah :) | 07:22 |
| dm8tbr | speaking of yesterday. any recommended software for video post-production? | 07:22 |
| * dm8tbr needs to slice and dice the 5h video dump | 07:23 | |
| dm8tbr | for a start avidemux didn't like the ogv file :/ | 07:23 |
| * dm8tbr should probably try and remux with ffmpeg as probably the first few frames are corrupted | 07:23 | |
| Sage | dm8tbr: hmmp... there is free sofwares called windows live something isn't there :D | 07:24 |
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| dm8tbr | :-รพ | 07:24 |
| faenil | lol | 07:24 |
| * dm8tbr would prefer something that runs on debian without wine or other things | 07:24 | |
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| lpotter | Stskeeps: running the orientation example from qtmobility | 07:28 |
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| Stskeeps | lpotter: well, what do you define as 0? | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | that was always a good discussion, what's top left :) | 07:37 |
| lpotter | TopUp is 0 | 07:39 |
| lpotter | on the n900 Top iswhere the ear speaker is | 07:40 |
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| ScriptRipper | Good morning | 07:43 |
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| faenil | day out in Tampere :) cya people ! :) | 08:15 |
| dm8tbr | enjoy | 08:20 |
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| iekku | faenil, it was nice to meet you | 08:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt_away: ping me when awake | 08:58 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: morning ? | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. feels like that still | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | o/ cybette2 | 09:30 |
| cybette2 | O/ | 09:31 |
| * cybette2 yawns | 09:31 | |
| Stskeeps | looks like hackday was a success | 09:31 |
| cybette2 | Yeah, it was great, lots of positive feedback | 09:31 |
| cybette2 | Stskeeps: Did you manage to follow most if it via the live stream? | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, was quite good | 09:33 |
| cybette2 | Cool | 09:33 |
| * cybette2 goes to find breakfast.. uh, lunch maybe | 09:34 | |
| Stskeeps | i have to go to my mother in law while at same time finishing some work tasks.. getting her wifi AP was the best choice ever done | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:34 |
| cybette2 | Have fun ;) | 09:35 |
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| lbt | morning Stskeeps | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so, the bad news is that glibc when built for thumb crashes all the stuff.. so temporarily i've added an armv7hl -> armv7tnhl aggregate for glibc | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | the good news is that everything else built fine | 09:43 |
| lbt | OK | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: when Core:mipsel has been finished, we need to make a snapshot that includes armv7tnhl | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's published etc on repo.ci | 09:44 |
| lbt | just looking at the workers - seems like there's been some issues on 6/7 | 09:45 |
| lbt | I'll restart them | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:45 |
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| Andy80 | morning! | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | morn Andy80 :) | 09:57 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: a questiong I forgot yesterday... whenever Jolla OS will be released, we will be able to use our N950/N9 as development devices or we will need the Jolla phone to run that OS? | 09:59 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: workers at full strength and some bugs filed to fix the issue | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: that's a complicated question :) Jolla OS isn't going to be published for n950/n9 for various reasons - such as the hw bits having license stating non-commercial distribution only | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: if you can use n950/n9 as development device, well, that would be handy, wouldn't i | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | t | 10:01 |
| Andy80 | well... if we will be able to get real Jolla phones it will be better of course ;) | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully it'll be in such a manner where you practically can develop for mer and nemo and that way develop for jolla... | 10:06 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: sounds like you're wrapping up the thumb - anything I can do to assist there? | 10:07 |
| lbt | (no, you can't have another worker :P ) | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'd like you to do the snapshot and script changes and import into COBS | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: atm we just have to wait for mipsel to finish | 10:09 |
| lbt | clarify "script changes" :) | 10:09 |
| lbt | release.sh ? | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | and mappings.xml on COBS | 10:09 |
| lbt | yep | 10:10 |
| lbt | btw - there's a request for a static import on ml | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | that should be fullfillable? | 10:10 |
| lbt | currently it needs an explicit checkout of obs-projects doesn't it | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | and keeping binaries around | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | we've done it before | 10:11 |
| lbt | yep, and we keep releases anyway | 10:11 |
| lbt | I only discard snapshotds/pre- | 10:11 |
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| lbt | OK, I have a few tasks to complete | 10:12 |
| CosmoHill | cyas, bike ride | 10:16 |
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| Guest97441 | Is it possible to single boot Nemo on N900 device? | 10:40 |
| dm8tbr | uboot defaults to booting from microsd | 10:41 |
| dm8tbr | so if you ignore your maemo installation that is what's going to happen | 10:41 |
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| Guest97441 | Thanks dm8tbr for your suggestion :) | 10:47 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: did you manage to logon btw? | 10:48 |
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| lbt | ? | 11:05 |
| lbt | just waiting on qt? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | yes, and qt mobility, qt webkit | 11:06 |
| lbt | I meant blocking | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | morn dakovaci | 11:07 |
| dakovaci | mornin Stskeeps :D | 11:08 |
| dakovaci | but it is evening here :D | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, we use UGT here :) | 11:08 |
| dakovaci | :D | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | http://thinkmoult.com/ugt.html | 11:08 |
| dakovaci | no worries, done enough video conferences with Europe to know the time :D | 11:08 |
| dakovaci | ah, cool, didn't know that :D | 11:09 |
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| dakovaci | sure does make things easier :D | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | finally, qt make install'ing.. | 11:14 |
| dakovaci | I havent had a chance to build for Nemo yet | 11:15 |
| dakovaci | just installed the application SDK the other day | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | did you get a meego.com account yet? | 11:15 |
| dakovaci | I should already have on, I think | 11:15 |
| dakovaci | let me see | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok, tell lbt your username :) | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | so you can be enabled for community obs | 11:18 |
| dakovaci | ok, just created a new account, the other was with a nokia account, and I stuffed up the password | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:35 |
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| Stskeeps | not an uncommon occourence | 11:35 |
| dakovaci | yeah, so the recover password option was usless to me | 11:35 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: no time yet, maybe later today. | 11:45 |
| lbt | sure, just a ping | 11:45 |
| dakovaci | lbt, can I give you my meego.com username? | 11:46 |
| lbt | yep | 11:46 |
| dakovaci | dakovaci | 11:47 |
| lbt | done, have fun :) | 11:47 |
| dakovaci | great :D | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | qtwebkit in progress of building.. finally | 11:52 |
| Bostik | wooot | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | on mipsel, the tnhl finished long ago | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | (and merged) | 11:54 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: how quickly after qtwebkit finishes and publishes mipsel can we do a snapshot with armv7tnhl/ dir that i can try to make ks builds against? | 11:58 |
| lbt | well | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | just mer .ks'es, not nemo | 11:59 |
| lbt | I could maybe run a hacked release.sh | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | nah, we do a full snapshot | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | so just add armv7tnhl as an option in release.sh | 11:59 |
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| lbt | usual then - takes ~1hr iirc - I rarely watch that closely but I'll put an alarm on it | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok, hmm | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | on the other side, a snapshot with only armv7tnhl in it could do | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | due to the demo aspect | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | then we dont have to cause a massive rebuild on cobs too | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | is that possible? | 12:01 |
| lbt | I don't know how cobs/mds would feel about a partial snapshot | 12:01 |
| lbt | does nemo have a 7tnhl target | 12:02 |
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| Stskeeps | no, that's what we're enabling | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | and it'll be fine with a partial snapshot if we do it in same way as a static snapshot | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, or just wait for qtwebkit to finish on mipsel.. | 12:06 |
| * Stskeeps counts | 12:06 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, ok, let's wait for qtwebkit snapshot | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | and do a full one | 12:07 |
| lbt | yep, gets convoluted if we'd tried to import a normal "next" that was partial | 12:08 |
| lbt | just ensuring script is ready | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 12:08 |
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| Sage | armv7hl binaries are compatible with armv7tnhl right? | 12:21 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | also a good way to test, yes | 12:26 |
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| * Stskeeps waits.. | 12:28 | |
| Sage | question, if there is armv7hl and armv7tnhl rpm's available, but armv7hl installed and system is set to armv7tnhl zypper up should install the tnhl right? | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i can't promise that would work | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | due to our version numbers | 12:30 |
| Sage | I don't think it will atm. but I think it should go that way | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | (no, lbt, not now) | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:31 |
| Sage | :D | 12:31 |
| lbt | :P | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | long story short you're supposed to see armv7tnhl as a new port | 12:31 |
| Sage | yes, I was mainly pondering if I just could change repo to my device and do zypper up ;) | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | mer core armv7tnhl + nemo in armv7hl should work | 12:32 |
| Sage | which reminds me, lbt we need to move https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-kickstarter-configs/blob/master/scripts/arch-armv7hl.post and similar with armv7tnhl to mer from nemo kickstarter configs | 12:33 |
| Sage | that is essential for the armv7tnhl to work properly with rpm | 12:34 |
| Sage | and zypper | 12:34 |
| lbt | yeah - we really need to fix rpm/zypper | 12:35 |
| Sage | well, we need to fix kernel iirc | 12:37 |
| Sage | kernel reports the architecture wrong for armv7(tn)hl | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | no | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's just stupid rpm conventions | 12:37 |
| Sage | oh, ok. | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | h is a userland convention | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | not kernel | 12:38 |
| Sage | I though that rpm check what kernel reports and then takes that | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | it does, which is kinda stupid | 12:39 |
| Sage | ok, so change rpm to decide the architecture with other means. Just pondering what else that can be than saying in file? | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | automatic setup on first boot..? | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | runtime diagnosis improvement | 12:40 |
| Sage | sure but where do you check what is the proper variant of armv7hl for example? | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | in rpm runtime checks, through auxv | 12:41 |
| Sage | as armv7tnhl can have armv7tnhl, armv7nhl and armv7hl binaries how to decide what is the one to check? | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | auxv | 12:43 |
| lbt | sb2? | 12:44 |
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| * lbt feels that for Mer, rpm should just populate that file based on build | 12:46 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: OK for snapshot | 12:46 |
| lbt | right | 12:46 |
| lbt | 0.20120920.0.0.2 | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | make a remark about armv7tnhl being strictly experimental | 12:47 |
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| lbt | fuuuu | 13:12 |
| lbt | tools/createrelease.sh: line 55: syntax error near unexpected token `else' | 13:12 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: good thing we're just doing a snapshot | 13:14 |
| lbt | just a time thing | 13:15 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: so it's restarted now? | 13:32 |
| lbt | oh yes, ages ago | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | let me know when releases/ is ready | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | (and thanks for doing this | 13:45 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120920.0.0.2/ | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i see it | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | already building an image with it | 14:46 |
| lbt | hehe - it's literally just finished | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | was watching it in progress so | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, and you'll import to cobs? | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: besides a hiccup in dependencies image creation went through | 15:08 |
| lbt | yep, and good | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | will test soon | 15:08 |
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| Stskeeps | hello asiaticax :) | 15:15 |
| lbt | would like to reboot phost2 too - be/fe host - kernel/module mismatch | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | not until after demo if it's ok.. | 15:16 |
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| lbt | make updatesstorm | 16:25 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 16:25 |
| lbt | just been double checking all the repos are there and the mapping looks good - also added Core:0.20816120.1:* | 16:25 |
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| CosmoHill | woof | 18:17 |
| dm8tbr | mooo | 18:24 |
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| Kypeli_ | iekku: Can you change my Bugzilla login email, or should I ask someone else? | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt or iekku might know | 19:04 |
| lbt | I can do it | 19:04 |
| lbt | Kypeli_: ^^ | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can you show me changelog for 0.0.2 ? | 19:05 |
| lbt | 1->2 ? | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:06 |
| lbt | https://gist.github.com/3686579 | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | wtff | 19:09 |
| Kypeli_ | lbt: Thanks, I'll ping you privately | 19:09 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ? | 19:10 |
| lbt | python tools/changelog.py obs-projects/Core/packages.xml 0.20120920.0.0.1 0.20120920.0.0.2 | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: just demo effect.. | 19:10 |
| lbt | (I only just tagged gerrit btw) | 19:10 |
| lbt | I assume you're not merging new stuff yet | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | not until i've solved this crap | 19:10 |
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| lbt | can I help ? | 19:13 |
| lbt | (eating now so high latency - but...) | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | i'll know in a bit when this image builds | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, so that image boots fine | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | with next | 19:59 |
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| lbt | :) | 20:01 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: so where are we with COBS? | 20:03 |
| lbt | projects done | 20:04 |
| lbt | mds done | 20:04 |
| lbt | essentially ready for packages | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:04 |
| lbt | https://build.merproject.org/project/subprojects?project=nemo | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | okay, meego cobs | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | and armv7tnhl | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | evening rolandemm :) | 20:07 |
| lbt | re-running updatestorm | 20:09 |
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| Stskeeps | how come re-running? | 20:13 |
| lbt | typoe'd the XML for the new static mds for PA | 20:14 |
| lbt | it must have processed the XML serially though because it took a long time to tell me and the queue is full | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:20 |
| * Stskeeps has to head to bed, flight at 9am tomorrow | 20:20 | |
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| * lpotter wonders where _MEEGOTOUCH_ORIENTATION_ANGLE gets set | 20:27 | |
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| Stskeeps | compositor? | 20:29 |
| w00t | applications are responsible for setting it | 20:32 |
| w00t | qt components does it, for instance | 20:32 |
| lpotter | hmm.. | 20:33 |
| w00t | why? | 20:34 |
| lpotter | I tried the orientation example from qtmobility, and it's a bit wonky | 20:37 |
| lpotter | thats simply qml. | 20:38 |
| Sage | lbt: looks nice | 20:38 |
| lpotter | 'rotation' doesn't give 0 as TopUp | 20:38 |
| lbt | Sage: yep - I'm going to save the script somewhere too | 20:39 |
| lpotter | or,rather, TopUp isn't 0 rotation to qml :( | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | sage: when you have a moment, add core-next-armv7tnhl in all relevant nemo? | 20:39 |
| w00t | lpotter: that doesn't exactly surprise me | 20:40 |
| w00t | primary hardware device orientation on the n950 (and I think on the n9) is landscape, despite the UI being in portrait | 20:40 |
| w00t | or something to that effect | 20:41 |
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| lpotter | I vaguely remember some weirdness about sensors. I didnt work on them at meego period | 20:41 |
| lpotter | this is on n900 | 20:42 |
| * lpotter digs into sensorfw | 20:43 | |
| Stskeeps | orientation was a huge mess that never really got resolved.. just looking like it worked, from many angles | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 20:46 |
| lpotter | well.. for one, sensord.conf isn't correct | 20:48 |
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| w00t | lpotter: mm? | 20:56 |
| lpotter | didnt help anyway | 20:57 |
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| Jamison | Anyone here a MeR community liaison of sorts? Just have some quick Qns relating to how MeR's administered/founded. | 22:34 |
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| lbt | Jamison: hey | 22:36 |
| lbt | I can help you out there | 22:36 |
| w00t | lbt: up late... :) | 22:41 |
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