Sunday, 2012-09-09

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* lpotter wonders why orientation is 45 degrees off01:10
lpotterI mean rotation01:15
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Stskeepslpotter: rotation reported in where?06:42
faenilStskeeps, morn06:44
Stskeepsmorn faenil06:46
Stskeepshow was the event?06:47
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faenilStskeeps, just great :)06:55
faenilthe only thing is it was too short :)06:56
faenilonly had time to talk to some people and then install Nemo on the N950 of a guy I met :)06:56
faenilbut talks were very good, especially Stefano's one, there has been many questions about Jolla, and he has answered them all (not always in detail for obvious reasons)06:57
Stskeepsfor once i was just happy to watch and let good community members do their work :)07:00
faenil:) the IRC QA was great too :D07:01
faenilbut anyway, it's a pity I couldn't talk much to iekku Sage and matrixx ...I would have liked to know them better :)07:03
faenilalso, I haven't talked to Stefano because he left soon :(07:03
faenilbut it's been very nice, I've helped setting up in the morning and packing up things in the evening, and Devaamo guys have been very kind to me :) really appreciated that :)07:04
Stskeepsthey're good guys07:04
faenilyeah, definitely07:04
faenilnow I should probably get dressed, I'm in my "couch" without a T-shirt, and you can't do that in Tampere without freezing :D07:05
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faenilStskeeps, there was a very tall woman...does it remind you of anyone?07:09
faenilred-ish hair I think07:09
faenilwith a bag full of tablets and microcontrollers, and all kind of stuff :)07:10
Stskeepskate ahola?07:10
Stskeepsgenerally when speaking of a very tall woman with red-ish hair, that's her07:10
faenilbingo! yes it's her :)07:11
dm8tbrStskeeps: um, yesterday there was another tall woman with red her kate had in tow ;)07:13
Stskeepsdm8tbr: ah, karoliina sammilinen (spelling wrong)07:14
dm8tbrSalminen I believe :)07:15
faenilkate sounded very confident in herself, I liked her spirit :)07:15
dm8tbrand yes, looks like her07:15
Sagefaenil: yeah, sorry we couldn't talk much. Didnt really expect that much people coming around me to talk after the presentations were done. :)07:19
faenilSage, np :) hope we'll have a chance to meet again ;)07:20
SageI'm sure we will :)07:21
SageIt is small world after all07:21
faenilyeeah :)07:22
dm8tbrspeaking of yesterday. any recommended software for video post-production?07:22
* dm8tbr needs to slice and dice the 5h video dump07:23
dm8tbrfor a start avidemux didn't like the ogv file :/07:23
* dm8tbr should probably try and remux with ffmpeg as probably the first few frames are corrupted07:23
Sagedm8tbr: hmmp... there is free sofwares called windows live something isn't there :D07:24
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* dm8tbr would prefer something that runs on debian without wine or other things07:24
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lpotterStskeeps: running the orientation example from qtmobility07:28
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Stskeepslpotter: well, what do you define as 0?07:37
Stskeepsthat was always a good discussion, what's top left :)07:37
lpotterTopUp is 007:39
lpotteron the n900 Top iswhere the ear speaker is07:40
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ScriptRipperGood morning07:43
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faenilday out in Tampere :) cya people ! :)08:15
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iekkufaenil, it was nice to meet you08:34
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Stskeepslbt_away: ping me when awake08:58
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* Stskeeps yawns and stretches09:28
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: morning ?09:29
Stskeepsyeah.. feels like that still09:30
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Stskeepso/ cybette209:30
* cybette2 yawns09:31
Stskeepslooks like hackday was a success09:31
cybette2Yeah, it was great, lots of positive feedback09:31
cybette2Stskeeps: Did you manage to follow most if it via the live stream?09:32
Stskeepsyeah, was quite good09:33
* cybette2 goes to find breakfast.. uh, lunch maybe09:34
Stskeepsi have to go to my mother in law while at same time finishing some work tasks.. getting her wifi AP was the best choice ever done09:34
cybette2Have fun ;)09:35
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lbtmorning Stskeeps09:42
Stskeepslbt: so, the bad news is that glibc when built for thumb crashes all the stuff.. so temporarily i've added an armv7hl -> armv7tnhl aggregate for glibc09:43
Stskeepsthe good news is that everything else built fine09:43
Stskeepslbt: when Core:mipsel has been finished, we need to make a snapshot that includes armv7tnhl09:44
Stskeepsit's published etc on repo.ci09:44
lbtjust looking at the workers - seems like there's been some issues on 6/709:45
lbtI'll restart them09:45
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Stskeepsmorn Andy80 :)09:57
Andy80Stskeeps: a questiong I forgot yesterday... whenever Jolla OS will be released, we will be able to use our N950/N9 as development devices or we will need the Jolla phone to run that OS?09:59
lbtStskeeps: workers at full strength and some bugs filed to fix the issue09:59
StskeepsAndy80: that's a complicated question :) Jolla OS isn't going to be published for n950/n9 for various reasons - such as the hw bits having license stating non-commercial distribution only10:00
StskeepsAndy80: if you can use n950/n9 as development device, well, that would be handy, wouldn't i10:01
Andy80well... if we will be able to get real Jolla phones it will be better of course ;)10:02
Stskeepshopefully it'll be in such a manner where you practically can develop for mer and nemo and that way develop for jolla...10:06
lbtStskeeps: sounds like you're wrapping up the thumb - anything I can do to assist there?10:07
lbt(no, you can't have another worker :P )10:07
Stskeepslbt: i'd like you to do the snapshot and script changes and import into COBS10:09
Stskeepslbt: atm we just have to wait for mipsel to finish10:09
lbtclarify "script changes" :)10:09 ?10:09
Stskeepsand mappings.xml on COBS10:09
lbtbtw - there's a request for a static import on ml10:10
Stskeepsthat should be fullfillable?10:10
lbtcurrently it needs an explicit checkout of obs-projects doesn't it10:11
Stskeepsand keeping binaries around10:11
Stskeepswe've done it before10:11
lbtyep, and we keep releases anyway10:11
lbtI only discard snapshotds/pre-10:11
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lbtOK, I have a few tasks to complete10:12
CosmoHillcyas, bike ride10:16
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Guest97441Is it possible to single boot Nemo on N900 device?10:40
dm8tbruboot defaults to booting from microsd10:41
dm8tbrso if you ignore your maemo installation that is what's going to happen10:41
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Guest97441Thanks dm8tbr for your suggestion :)10:47
lbtdm8tbr: did you manage to logon btw?10:48
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* Stskeeps prods mipsel with a stick11:03
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lbtjust waiting on qt?11:05
Stskeepsyes, and qt mobility, qt webkit11:06
lbtI meant blocking11:06
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Stskeepsmorn dakovaci11:07
dakovacimornin Stskeeps :D11:08
dakovacibut it is evening here :D11:08
Stskeepshehe, we use UGT here :)11:08
dakovacino worries, done enough video conferences with Europe to know the time :D11:08
dakovaciah, cool, didn't know that :D11:09
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dakovacisure does make things easier :D11:09
Stskeepsfinally, qt make install'ing..11:14
dakovaciI havent had a chance to build for Nemo yet11:15
dakovacijust installed the application SDK the other day11:15
Stskeepsdid you get a account yet?11:15
dakovaciI should already have on, I think11:15
dakovacilet me see11:15
Stskeepsok, tell lbt your username :)11:15
Stskeepsso you can be enabled for community obs11:18
dakovaciok, just created a new account, the other was with a nokia account, and I stuffed up the password11:34
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Stskeepsnot an uncommon occourence11:35
dakovaciyeah, so the recover password option was usless to me11:35
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dm8tbrlbt: no time yet, maybe later today.11:45
lbtsure, just a ping11:45
dakovacilbt, can I give you my username?11:46
lbtdone, have fun :)11:47
dakovacigreat :D11:47
Stskeepsqtwebkit in progress of building.. finally11:52
Stskeepson mipsel, the tnhl finished long ago11:53
Stskeeps(and merged)11:54
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Stskeepslbt: how quickly after qtwebkit finishes and publishes mipsel can we do a snapshot with armv7tnhl/ dir that i can try to make ks builds against?11:58
Stskeepsjust mer .ks'es, not nemo11:59
lbtI could maybe run a hacked release.sh11:59
Stskeepsnah, we do a full snapshot11:59
Stskeepsso just add armv7tnhl as an option in release.sh11:59
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lbtusual then - takes ~1hr iirc - I rarely watch that closely but I'll put an alarm on it12:00
Stskeepsok, hmm12:00
Stskeepson the other side, a snapshot with only armv7tnhl in it could do12:00
Stskeepsdue to the demo aspect12:00
Stskeepsthen we dont have to cause a massive rebuild on cobs too12:01
Stskeepsis that possible?12:01
lbtI don't know how cobs/mds would feel about a partial snapshot12:01
lbtdoes nemo have a 7tnhl target12:02
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Stskeepsno, that's what we're enabling12:05
Stskeepsand it'll be fine with a partial snapshot if we do it in same way as a static snapshot12:05
Stskeepswell, or just wait for qtwebkit to finish on mipsel..12:06
* Stskeeps counts12:06
Stskeepsyeah, ok, let's wait for qtwebkit snapshot12:06
Stskeepsand do a full one12:07
lbtyep, gets convoluted if we'd tried to import a normal "next" that was partial12:08
lbtjust ensuring script is ready12:08
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Sagearmv7hl binaries are compatible with armv7tnhl right?12:21
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Stskeepsalso a good way to test, yes12:26
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* Stskeeps waits..12:28
Sagequestion, if there is armv7hl and armv7tnhl rpm's available, but armv7hl installed and system is set to armv7tnhl zypper up should install the tnhl right?12:30
StskeepsSage: i can't promise that would work12:30
Stskeepsdue to our version numbers12:30
SageI don't think it will atm. but I think it should go that way12:31
Stskeeps(no, lbt, not now)12:31
Stskeepslong story short you're supposed to see armv7tnhl as a new port12:31
Sageyes, I was mainly pondering if I just could change repo to my device and do zypper up ;)12:32
Stskeepsmer core armv7tnhl + nemo in armv7hl should work12:32
Sagewhich reminds me, lbt we need to move and similar with armv7tnhl to mer from nemo kickstarter configs12:33
Sagethat is essential for the armv7tnhl to work properly with rpm12:34
Sageand zypper12:34
lbtyeah - we really need to fix rpm/zypper12:35
Sagewell, we need to fix kernel iirc12:37
Sagekernel reports the architecture wrong for armv7(tn)hl12:37
Stskeepsit's just stupid rpm conventions12:37
Sageoh, ok.12:38
Stskeepsh is a userland convention12:38
Stskeepsnot kernel12:38
SageI though that rpm check what kernel reports and then takes that12:39
Stskeepsit does, which is kinda stupid12:39
Sageok, so change rpm to decide the architecture with other means. Just pondering what else that can be than saying in file?12:40
Stskeepsautomatic setup on first boot..?12:40
Stskeepsruntime diagnosis improvement12:40
Sagesure but where do you check what is the proper variant of armv7hl for example?12:41
Stskeepsin rpm runtime checks, through auxv12:41
Sageas armv7tnhl can have armv7tnhl, armv7nhl and armv7hl binaries how to decide what is the one to check?12:43
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* lbt feels that for Mer, rpm should just populate that file based on build12:46
Stskeepslbt: OK for snapshot12:46
Stskeepsmake a remark about armv7tnhl being strictly experimental12:47
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lbttools/ line 55: syntax error near unexpected token `else'13:12
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Stskeepslbt: good thing we're just doing a snapshot13:14
lbtjust a time thing13:15
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Stskeepslbt: so it's restarted now?13:32
lbtoh yes, ages ago13:39
Stskeepslet me know when releases/ is ready13:42
Stskeeps(and thanks for doing this13:45
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Stskeepsyes, i see it14:46
Stskeepsalready building an image with it14:46
lbthehe - it's literally just finished14:46
Stskeepswas watching it in progress so14:46
Stskeepslbt, and you'll import to cobs?15:06
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Stskeepslbt: besides a hiccup in dependencies image creation went through15:08
lbtyep, and good15:08
Stskeepswill test soon15:08
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Stskeepshello asiaticax :)15:15
lbtwould like to reboot phost2 too - be/fe host - kernel/module mismatch15:15
Stskeepsnot until after demo if it's ok..15:16
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lbtmake updatesstorm16:25
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lbtjust been double checking all the repos are there and the mapping looks good - also added Core:0.20816120.1:*16:25
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Kypeli_iekku: Can you change my Bugzilla login email, or should I ask someone else?18:51
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Stskeepslbt or iekku might know19:04
lbtI can do it19:04
lbtKypeli_: ^^19:04
Stskeepslbt: can you show me changelog for 0.0.2 ?19:05
lbt1->2 ?19:06
Kypeli_lbt: Thanks, I'll ping you privately19:09
lbtStskeeps: ?19:10
lbtpython tools/ obs-projects/Core/packages.xml  0.20120920.0.0.1 0.20120920.0.0.219:10
Stskeepslbt: just demo effect..19:10
lbt(I only just tagged gerrit btw)19:10
lbtI assume you're not merging new stuff yet19:10
Stskeepsnot until i've solved this crap19:10
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lbtcan I help ?19:13
lbt(eating now so high latency - but...)19:13
Stskeepsi'll know in a bit when this image builds19:15
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Stskeepsok, so that image boots fine19:59
Stskeepswith next19:59
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Stskeepslbt: so where are we with COBS?20:03
lbtprojects done20:04
lbtmds done20:04
lbtessentially ready for packages20:04
Stskeepsokay, meego cobs20:05
Stskeepsand armv7tnhl20:05
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Stskeepsevening rolandemm :)20:07
lbtre-running updatestorm20:09
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Stskeepshow come re-running?20:13
lbttypoe'd the XML for the new static mds for PA20:14
lbtit must have processed the XML serially though because it took a long time to tell me and the queue is full20:15
* Stskeeps has to head to bed, flight at 9am tomorrow20:20
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* lpotter wonders where _MEEGOTOUCH_ORIENTATION_ANGLE gets set20:27
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w00tapplications are responsible for setting it20:32
w00tqt components does it, for instance20:32
lpotterI tried the orientation example from qtmobility, and it's a bit wonky20:37
lpotterthats simply qml.20:38
Sagelbt: looks nice20:38
lpotter'rotation' doesn't give 0 as TopUp20:38
lbtSage: yep - I'm going to save the script somewhere too20:39
lpotteror,rather, TopUp isn't 0 rotation to qml :(20:39
Stskeepssage: when you have a moment, add core-next-armv7tnhl in all relevant nemo?20:39
w00tlpotter: that doesn't exactly surprise me20:40
w00tprimary hardware device orientation on the n950 (and I think on the n9) is landscape, despite the UI being in portrait20:40
w00tor something to that effect20:41
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lpotterI vaguely remember some weirdness about sensors. I didnt work on them at meego period20:41
lpotterthis is on n90020:42
* lpotter digs into sensorfw20:43
Stskeepsorientation was a huge mess that never really got resolved.. just looking like it worked, from many angles20:44
lpotterwell.. for one, sensord.conf isn't correct20:48
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w00tlpotter: mm?20:56
lpotterdidnt help anyway20:57
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JamisonAnyone here a MeR community liaison of sorts? Just have some quick Qns relating to how MeR's administered/founded.22:34
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lbtJamison: hey22:36
lbtI can help you out there22:36
w00tlbt: up late... :)22:41
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