Thursday, 2012-09-06

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timophhuomen05:32
timophStskeeps: about the core dumping thing..05:32
timophfirst of all, what would be a good place to dump the cores? /tmp/core-dumps/ ?05:33
timophI'm thinking of enabling the thing step by step05:33
timophfirst just start dumping into a single place without reducer05:34
timophand so on05:34
timophhad some trouble compiling rich-core's extract05:35
timophlibelf giving me a headache05:35
Stskeepsvar/tmp maybe better05:39
timophack05:39
timophalso we need to think about how to avoid from running out of disk space05:40
timophcore dumps can get rather big05:40
timophfor example do want to set a limit for core size05:41
timophiirc that can be done05:41
timophalso what will be the process to collect the cores and analyse them05:42
timophmy thinking is that with the current state of things I'd try to make it easily usable without automation05:43
timophe.g. 1. scp cores to platform sdk 2. extract 3. bt05:44
* timoph thinking ahead of saturday to be ready to start hacking05:47
Stskeeps:nod:05:52
timophjust need to get rich-core's c bits to compile :p05:53
Bostikha! I think I just figured out how to do the thumb/neon/non-thumb thing05:53
Stskeepswoo :)05:56
Bostiklbt: the first attempt was close, but not quite right05:56
Bostiklbt: see ^^05:56
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Bostikbasically wrote a minimal case and adapted - see http://bostik.iki.fi/qthack/ (has the new qtwebkit patch too)06:01
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mikhaszchydem, so how's life? the start-up didn't quite work out? :-(06:12
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zchydemmikhas: yeps, but I see there other interesting opportunities too:)07:42
mikhasalways so cryptic, like on twitter, sigh07:42
zchydemmikhas: I hope I'll hear good news soon, but you'll never know...07:43
zchydemheh:)07:43
Stskeepsat least it's not in finncrypt ;)07:43
zchydemfinncrypt is a new term for me07:43
zchydemis it like fingelska?07:43
Stskeepszchydem: finnish ;)07:44
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SageStskeeps: could you kick the http://review.merproject.org/#change,79008:04
StskeepsSage: mail to my company email, things are rebuilding atm08:04
lbto/08:05
Bostikmorning Dave08:07
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lbtBostik: got your example ... looking at it now08:39
Bostiklbt: the easiest way to figure out what QMAKE_* stuff can be used is to run "qmake" and then see exactly what the generated makefile has08:41
Bostiklbt: effectively, QMAKE_CXXFLAGS => Makefile::CXXFLAGS08:42
lbt*nod*08:42
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Bostikhad to use a couple of debugging message() lines in the project file to find out what values I _could_ mangle and use :)08:44
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Sagewanted to upste libsolv, well new version has changed api so need to update also libzypp and that needs new boost...10:08
Stskeepsok10:08
Stskeeps:P10:08
* Sage blames alterego for this trip to distribution jenga10:09
StskeepsSage: i vote we take the dependency graph of mer and turn it into a game10:09
Stskeeps:P10:09
SageStskeeps: can we kick the v8 package if I cut out the deps to pacrunner? ;)10:10
* Sage ponders if I would get a point from that in the game 10:10
Bostik"new boost"10:11
Bostikfrom limited experience, that doesn't sound nice at all10:11
kimjuStskeeps, do you win or lose the game when you encounter a cyclic dependency loop?10:11
Stskeepskimju: those are difficult as you need to use more than two hands ;;)10:12
SageBostik: oh, you want to update our boost? ;)10:15
* Sage hands boost package on a gold platter to Bostik :P10:15
Bostikno, I certainly do not10:16
Sageour boost is 1.39 and upstream is 1.50 so it is not just small update :/10:16
w00tsomeone else here was interested in a boost upgrade10:17
w00tI forget who that was10:17
BostikI've done the bleeding-edge-boost dance once for a very limited ubuntu system and would probably rather jump off a speeding bus10:17
* Sage ponders if libzypp could be compiled without boost 10:19
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VenemoStskeeps, what game would that be?10:23
Bostika reverse variant of whack-a-mole?10:24
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VenemoBostik, never heard about that10:24
Bostikwhere you're alone in the field and a million moles are all wielding hammers10:24
* lbt knows that game10:24
lbtor the rabbit hole problem10:25
StskeepsVenemo: do you know the game jenga?10:25
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mikhasStskeeps, remove dependencies until mer falls apart?10:25
mikhasSounds like a fun party game!10:25
Stskeepsmikhas: we call it distribution jenga where we need to change things in mer without the entire thing falling apart..10:26
mikhasThe last one to remove a dependency has to fix mer though.10:26
VenemoStskeeps, no10:26
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VenemoStskeeps, yes10:26
Stskeepsthough i think mer distribution jenga IRL would involve bricks with strings on them10:26
Bostiktentacles all over...10:28
faenilStskeeps, something tells me you have already built a castle made of bricks for the whole Mer structure in Jolla's office10:29
Stskeepsfaenil: are you on a netbook right now?10:29
faenilnope notebook, why?10:29
lbthmm .... I just heard a harddrive unload it's heads...10:29
lbtthis is not good10:29
faenillbt, ouch10:30
Stskeepsfaenil: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/base2-full4.svg10:30
faenilStskeeps, eh :D when the real thing? :D10:31
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faenilo/ jukkaeklund10:34
faenilanyone who's attending the hackday on saturday here?10:35
jukkaeklundiekku, cybette at least10:35
faenilyeah I know about them, and Sage too (at least he's registered on eventbrite)10:35
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Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: tweet about your hackday10:37
Sfiet_Konstantin:)10:37
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, sure I will! :)10:37
Sagefaenil: o/10:37
faenilSage, \o/10:37
faenilI also read Jolla's CIO is attending :)10:38
cos^faenil: i am10:38
faenilcos^, great :)10:39
mikhasany media coverage planned?10:39
faenilI think we should all write our nicknames on our cards, I don't think I will be able to recognize all those finnish names :D10:39
Sfiet_Konstantinmikhas: faenil is here :)10:39
faenillol10:39
yuntagood point10:39
mikhas=p10:39
yuntaiekku: ^ about nicks on badges10:40
faenilI did so at QtDD11, and many people followed me :D that was great ^^10:40
cos^does anyone know if there is breakfast at hackday?10:40
iekkuyunta, noticed10:41
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iekkuand many usually does so10:41
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faenilcos^, it starts at 12pm, so I guess not :/10:42
cos^ok.. early wakeup for a saturday :-)10:42
faenilbut if anyone wants to do a community breakfast, I'm in! :)10:43
faenillike we could meet before the hackday and have breakfast together :)10:46
cos^sorry, i'm antisocial before breakfast & coffee :-)10:48
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faenilcos^, lol, nice excuse :P10:50
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zuhHumm, how do I install non-stripped version of libpthread? It's in glibc package but there doesn't seem to be a debuginfo package available...11:12
zuhOr maybe it's available in some specific repo?11:12
zuhoh, nevermind, just found a debuginfo repo that is disabled in the config :D11:13
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Stskeepszuh: yay :)11:46
Stskeepszuh: i am brewing on a quantal eglibc in case we want to try out with that instead11:46
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zuhI think this is why the eglinfo crashes:12:06
zuh(gdb) p *__libc_dl_error_tsd()12:06
zuh$7 = (void *) 0x012:06
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Stskeepshmmm12:06
* Stskeeps looks12:06
zuhThe code on the line it crashes in is:12:07
zuh*__libc_dl_error_tsd () = *(*GL(dl_error_catch_tsd)) ();12:07
Stskeepsthis is from glibc?12:07
zuhYeah12:07
zuheglibc-2.15/nptl/nptl-init.c:44112:07
Stskeepsok, let me take a look12:07
Stskeepsit really baffles me this works on ubuntu but not here.. we are practically similar code12:08
zuhI found a description of a similar crash from 2003: http://osdir.com/ml/lib.glibc.bugs/2003-04/msg00014.html12:09
zuhbut not sure if that can offer any hints...12:09
zuhwhoops, this one: http://osdir.com/ml/lib.glibc.bugs/2003-04/msg00013.html12:09
Stskeepszuh: random details, we use LD_AS_NEEDED and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnderstandingDSOLinkChange12:09
Stskeepsprobably not relevant but just wanted to add that in12:10
SageStskeeps: your glibc package doesn't seem to change anything12:11
StskeepsSage: ok12:11
Stskeepszuh: can you perhaps enable LD_DEBUG=all ?12:12
Stskeepsand see if that yields any interesting observations12:13
Stskeepsperhaps pthread being called by a constructor / _init / _fini12:13
Stskeepslike thing12:13
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zuhwoah, that's verbose debugging for ya :)12:14
Stskeepssorry :)12:14
zuhhttp://pastie.org/467364612:15
Stskeepsoh that's interesting, it's actually libpthread's init routine that crashes?12:16
zuhYes, that's what it looks like12:17
Stskeepswhat init routines gets called before that/12:18
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pqis this about libhybris or not?12:19
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Stskeepsnot libhybris12:19
pqthanks12:19
Stskeepswe're wondering why the snowball hw adaptation with libmali crashes on mer :)12:20
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zuh# nm /usr/lib/debug/lib/libc-2.15.so.debug | grep dl_error12:20
zuh00113000 T __libc_dl_error_tsd12:20
zuhor hmm12:20
zuhIt was the return value that is off, not the symbol itself12:20
Stskeepsyes12:21
pqI just realised... gdb is quite useless on ARM, when you happen to segfault in any of the binary blobs :-P12:22
zuhStskeeps: the full log: http://pingu.fi/~zuh/log.txt12:23
zuhof LD_DEBUG12:23
Stskeepsugh, we need to fix search paths12:23
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Stskeepszuh: intruiging, it's the first init that gets called12:25
Stskeepszuh: do you have sage's gles test binary too?12:26
Stskeepsif so, try to see if any other init gets called first?12:27
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Stskeepsalso12:28
Stskeepsdoes LD_BIND_NOW=1 change behaviour?12:28
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zuhOnly in that the binds are done first, then the init called and crashed in12:33
Stskeepswhat does ldd say on the binary?12:33
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zuhhttp://pastie.org/467373112:34
StskeepsSage: what does ldd look on glestest?12:36
zuhwoo12:36
Stskeepsmm?12:36
zuhhttp://pastie.org/467373812:37
Stskeepswtf12:37
Stskeeps:P12:37
zuh(the output is a bit mangled by the kernel messages)12:37
Stskeepswell12:37
Stskeepsat least we have a cause now12:37
Stskeepslibc isn't initialised first12:37
Stskeepsmm12:38
Stskeepsi have a bad thought..12:38
zuhexcept according to the log the init order is still pthread then libc12:38
Stskeepswell, it doesn't list LD_PRELOAD i would guess12:39
zuhOh, right, that might be the case12:39
Stskeepsokay, this is a really bizarre thought, but could you do LC_ALL=C ?12:40
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zuhsegfaults12:41
Stskeepsok12:41
SageStskeeps: still need that ldd?12:43
StskeepsSage: yes, for fun12:43
Stskeepsand LD_DEBUG too if possible12:43
SageStskeeps: http://pastie.org/467375912:44
SageStskeeps: http://pastebin.com/j7tDPGpK12:45
zuhI'll leave you guys guessing for the cause and prepare for food and going to real-life tasks, bbl or tomorrow12:46
Stskeepszuh: thanks12:46
StskeepsSage: without ldd..12:46
SageStskeeps: ah :d12:47
* Stskeeps offers sage brains12:48
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SageYou have exceeded the maximum file size of 500 kilobytes per paste. PRO users don't have this limit!12:50
Sage:P12:50
Sagesec, need to upload somewhere12:50
jussiStskeeps: kan I have some of those? :D12:50
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SageStskeeps: http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo-tmp/glestest_ld_debug_all.txt12:52
notmartSage: can you take a quick look to https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=iodbc&project=CE%3AMW%3APlasmaActive  ?12:52
notmartProject:KDE:Devel/iodbc was removed to avoid duplications, but it's still linked to that, so at the moment fails to build12:53
Sagenotmart: fixing12:53
notmartthx ;)12:53
Sagenotmart: fixed12:53
notmartthanks, works now12:53
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Stskeepsno google12:58
Stskeepsi don't want to search for thread arm hear12:59
Stskeepshair12:59
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Sagenotmart: I can see you cleaned the Project:KDE:Devel from the old stuff, nice :)13:03
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notmartSage: yeah, meego shall not be named anymore :p13:04
Sagenotmart: :)13:04
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Sagenotmart: I can see only two things there anymore that could be dropped. a) ContsoleKit where systemd-loginctl is the replacement b) maliit that should be merged with nemo mw project13:05
notmartyeah13:06
Sagenotmart: and well, there is connman that you could use instead of networkmanager, but I'm fine with that ;)13:06
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* Sage stares the huge dependency list of networkmanager..13:07
notmartfor consolekit i'm still not sure how systemd-loginctl can be integrated with kde just yet, i'll maybe give a try after active 3 release13:07
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notmartfor maliit i'm trying right now to build the latest without patches, if it does work should be possible to just use the one from nemo (as soon is 0.92.4)13:08
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w00toh, we're getting a maliit upgrade? /me thanks notmart :-)13:11
Sagehehe... hopefully we get it updated without larger problems. Just don't know how the libs in nemo take the new maliit.13:13
Sagethere was some old api stuff obsoleted so it might cause problems13:13
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w00tSage: breakage\o/13:32
* Sage ponders if w00t is happy or sad 13:34
w00ta little of both13:34
w00twe need the upgrade13:34
Sageyes13:34
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* slaine is having lots of fun porting to F1715:09
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Stskeepsoh?15:10
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notmartSage, w00t: right now there are working maliit 0.92.4 packages (framework and plugins) in Project:KDE:Devel. should be a good base, then if/when they can be moved in nemo, i can drop them from there16:36
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Sagenotmart: someone needs to test those with nemo before we can accept them. Lets see if someone i sinterested of taking the job.16:40
mikhasremember to use the 0.92.4.1 for maliit-plugins if you care about passing tests, too16:40
mikhasbut I doubt you have the Maliit tests running for mer16:41
mikhasSage, notmart did just that, testing with Nemo.16:41
mikhasBut he did with PlasmaActive16:41
mikhastesting with Nemo keyboard plugin, I mean16:41
notmartno, actually just with the whole plasma active distribution, didn't try with the nemo one16:42
mikhasnotmart, but you used the QML keyboard plugin16:42
notmarti see the nemo keyboard still working there tough16:42
mikhasprecisely16:42
notmart(and without tooltip ghosts anymore oh yeah ;)16:42
notmartwhat i still don't know if all is still working out of the box when those packages are installed on a nemo image16:43
mikhasSage, dont you have staging images where you can try out a new Maliit version and if it works, it gets integrated?16:43
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mikhasnotmart, I wouldnt want to do it manually16:44
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Sagemikhas: atm. not really soon with the new structure yes, but with the current one it is not so easy to do that kind of images. :/16:48
mikhasok, understood16:49
w00tnotmart: ghosting on x86 you mean?16:49
w00thaving that gone would indeed be great16:50
mikhasit's just a huge waste of time for me, as "upstream", to test on any possible target platform, especially if I have to install the packages manually and cant just flash an image16:50
mikhaswhat were those tooltip ghosts? never heard of that (perhaps I dont want to?)16:51
Stskeepsmikhas: how could we help with maliit QA / integrating with your testing practices?16:52
Stskeeps(in nemo)16:52
mikhasStskeeps, running "make check" on your target platform would be a good start16:52
mikhasand publishing the failure reports somewhere16:53
Stskeeps:nod:16:53
mikhasso that you can just report bugs and link to the logs16:53
Stskeepsso make check requires a x session or?16:53
mikhasand because Maliit is a configuration nightmare, do always publish what kind of configuration you used (the qmake CONFIG=… stuff)16:53
mikhasStskeeps, it does, sadly16:54
mikhaswe have mimicked an Xorg session on our buildbot though16:54
Stskeepsalright16:54
mikhasWell, let's say some of the tests assume Xorg16:54
mikhasbut if for example you use Qt's QWS, they should be skipped instead16:55
mikhasbut no QWS for Qt5, so there's that :-)16:55
mikhasI cant wait for our Wayland input method system work to progress.16:55
mikhasEverything will be so much simpler then.16:56
mikhas(yeah yeah, and I'll be eating my words in 6 months I guess)16:57
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