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| zchydem | morgen | 05:17 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:32 |
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| timoph | huomen | 05:32 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: about the core dumping thing.. | 05:32 |
| timoph | first of all, what would be a good place to dump the cores? /tmp/core-dumps/ ? | 05:33 |
| timoph | I'm thinking of enabling the thing step by step | 05:33 |
| timoph | first just start dumping into a single place without reducer | 05:34 |
| timoph | and so on | 05:34 |
| timoph | had some trouble compiling rich-core's extract | 05:35 |
| timoph | libelf giving me a headache | 05:35 |
| Stskeeps | var/tmp maybe better | 05:39 |
| timoph | ack | 05:39 |
| timoph | also we need to think about how to avoid from running out of disk space | 05:40 |
| timoph | core dumps can get rather big | 05:40 |
| timoph | for example do want to set a limit for core size | 05:41 |
| timoph | iirc that can be done | 05:41 |
| timoph | also what will be the process to collect the cores and analyse them | 05:42 |
| timoph | my thinking is that with the current state of things I'd try to make it easily usable without automation | 05:43 |
| timoph | e.g. 1. scp cores to platform sdk 2. extract 3. bt | 05:44 |
| * timoph thinking ahead of saturday to be ready to start hacking | 05:47 | |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 05:52 |
| timoph | just need to get rich-core's c bits to compile :p | 05:53 |
| Bostik | ha! I think I just figured out how to do the thumb/neon/non-thumb thing | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | woo :) | 05:56 |
| Bostik | lbt: the first attempt was close, but not quite right | 05:56 |
| Bostik | lbt: see ^^ | 05:56 |
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| Bostik | basically wrote a minimal case and adapted - see http://bostik.iki.fi/qthack/ (has the new qtwebkit patch too) | 06:01 |
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| mikhas | zchydem, so how's life? the start-up didn't quite work out? :-( | 06:12 |
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| zchydem | mikhas: yeps, but I see there other interesting opportunities too:) | 07:42 |
| mikhas | always so cryptic, like on twitter, sigh | 07:42 |
| zchydem | mikhas: I hope I'll hear good news soon, but you'll never know... | 07:43 |
| zchydem | heh:) | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | at least it's not in finncrypt ;) | 07:43 |
| zchydem | finncrypt is a new term for me | 07:43 |
| zchydem | is it like fingelska? | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | zchydem: finnish ;) | 07:44 |
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| zchydem | heh | 07:46 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: could you kick the http://review.merproject.org/#change,790 | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: mail to my company email, things are rebuilding atm | 08:04 |
| lbt | o/ | 08:05 |
| Bostik | morning Dave | 08:07 |
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| lbt | Bostik: got your example ... looking at it now | 08:39 |
| Bostik | lbt: the easiest way to figure out what QMAKE_* stuff can be used is to run "qmake" and then see exactly what the generated makefile has | 08:41 |
| Bostik | lbt: effectively, QMAKE_CXXFLAGS => Makefile::CXXFLAGS | 08:42 |
| lbt | *nod* | 08:42 |
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| Bostik | had to use a couple of debugging message() lines in the project file to find out what values I _could_ mangle and use :) | 08:44 |
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| Sage | wanted to upste libsolv, well new version has changed api so need to update also libzypp and that needs new boost... | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:08 |
| * Sage blames alterego for this trip to distribution jenga | 10:09 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i vote we take the dependency graph of mer and turn it into a game | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:09 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: can we kick the v8 package if I cut out the deps to pacrunner? ;) | 10:10 |
| * Sage ponders if I would get a point from that in the game | 10:10 | |
| Bostik | "new boost" | 10:11 |
| Bostik | from limited experience, that doesn't sound nice at all | 10:11 |
| kimju | Stskeeps, do you win or lose the game when you encounter a cyclic dependency loop? | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | kimju: those are difficult as you need to use more than two hands ;;) | 10:12 |
| Sage | Bostik: oh, you want to update our boost? ;) | 10:15 |
| * Sage hands boost package on a gold platter to Bostik :P | 10:15 | |
| Bostik | no, I certainly do not | 10:16 |
| Sage | our boost is 1.39 and upstream is 1.50 so it is not just small update :/ | 10:16 |
| w00t | someone else here was interested in a boost upgrade | 10:17 |
| w00t | I forget who that was | 10:17 |
| Bostik | I've done the bleeding-edge-boost dance once for a very limited ubuntu system and would probably rather jump off a speeding bus | 10:17 |
| * Sage ponders if libzypp could be compiled without boost | 10:19 | |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, what game would that be? | 10:23 |
| Bostik | a reverse variant of whack-a-mole? | 10:24 |
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| Venemo | Bostik, never heard about that | 10:24 |
| Bostik | where you're alone in the field and a million moles are all wielding hammers | 10:24 |
| * lbt knows that game | 10:24 | |
| lbt | or the rabbit hole problem | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: do you know the game jenga? | 10:25 |
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| mikhas | Stskeeps, remove dependencies until mer falls apart? | 10:25 |
| mikhas | Sounds like a fun party game! | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: we call it distribution jenga where we need to change things in mer without the entire thing falling apart.. | 10:26 |
| mikhas | The last one to remove a dependency has to fix mer though. | 10:26 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, no | 10:26 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, yes | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | though i think mer distribution jenga IRL would involve bricks with strings on them | 10:26 |
| Bostik | tentacles all over... | 10:28 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, something tells me you have already built a castle made of bricks for the whole Mer structure in Jolla's office | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: are you on a netbook right now? | 10:29 |
| faenil | nope notebook, why? | 10:29 |
| lbt | hmm .... I just heard a harddrive unload it's heads... | 10:29 |
| lbt | this is not good | 10:29 |
| faenil | lbt, ouch | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/base2-full4.svg | 10:30 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, eh :D when the real thing? :D | 10:31 |
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| faenil | o/ jukkaeklund | 10:34 |
| faenil | anyone who's attending the hackday on saturday here? | 10:35 |
| jukkaeklund | iekku, cybette at least | 10:35 |
| faenil | yeah I know about them, and Sage too (at least he's registered on eventbrite) | 10:35 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: tweet about your hackday | 10:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 10:37 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, sure I will! :) | 10:37 |
| Sage | faenil: o/ | 10:37 |
| faenil | Sage, \o/ | 10:37 |
| faenil | I also read Jolla's CIO is attending :) | 10:38 |
| cos^ | faenil: i am | 10:38 |
| faenil | cos^, great :) | 10:39 |
| mikhas | any media coverage planned? | 10:39 |
| faenil | I think we should all write our nicknames on our cards, I don't think I will be able to recognize all those finnish names :D | 10:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mikhas: faenil is here :) | 10:39 |
| faenil | lol | 10:39 |
| yunta | good point | 10:39 |
| mikhas | =p | 10:39 |
| yunta | iekku: ^ about nicks on badges | 10:40 |
| faenil | I did so at QtDD11, and many people followed me :D that was great ^^ | 10:40 |
| cos^ | does anyone know if there is breakfast at hackday? | 10:40 |
| iekku | yunta, noticed | 10:41 |
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| iekku | and many usually does so | 10:41 |
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| faenil | cos^, it starts at 12pm, so I guess not :/ | 10:42 |
| cos^ | ok.. early wakeup for a saturday :-) | 10:42 |
| faenil | but if anyone wants to do a community breakfast, I'm in! :) | 10:43 |
| faenil | like we could meet before the hackday and have breakfast together :) | 10:46 |
| cos^ | sorry, i'm antisocial before breakfast & coffee :-) | 10:48 |
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| faenil | cos^, lol, nice excuse :P | 10:50 |
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| zuh | Humm, how do I install non-stripped version of libpthread? It's in glibc package but there doesn't seem to be a debuginfo package available... | 11:12 |
| zuh | Or maybe it's available in some specific repo? | 11:12 |
| zuh | oh, nevermind, just found a debuginfo repo that is disabled in the config :D | 11:13 |
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| Stskeeps | zuh: yay :) | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | zuh: i am brewing on a quantal eglibc in case we want to try out with that instead | 11:46 |
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| zuh | I think this is why the eglinfo crashes: | 12:06 |
| zuh | (gdb) p *__libc_dl_error_tsd() | 12:06 |
| zuh | $7 = (void *) 0x0 | 12:06 |
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| Stskeeps | hmmm | 12:06 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 12:06 | |
| zuh | The code on the line it crashes in is: | 12:07 |
| zuh | *__libc_dl_error_tsd () = *(*GL(dl_error_catch_tsd)) (); | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | this is from glibc? | 12:07 |
| zuh | Yeah | 12:07 |
| zuh | eglibc-2.15/nptl/nptl-init.c:441 | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | ok, let me take a look | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | it really baffles me this works on ubuntu but not here.. we are practically similar code | 12:08 |
| zuh | I found a description of a similar crash from 2003: http://osdir.com/ml/lib.glibc.bugs/2003-04/msg00014.html | 12:09 |
| zuh | but not sure if that can offer any hints... | 12:09 |
| zuh | whoops, this one: http://osdir.com/ml/lib.glibc.bugs/2003-04/msg00013.html | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | zuh: random details, we use LD_AS_NEEDED and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnderstandingDSOLinkChange | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | probably not relevant but just wanted to add that in | 12:10 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: your glibc package doesn't seem to change anything | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | zuh: can you perhaps enable LD_DEBUG=all ? | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | and see if that yields any interesting observations | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps pthread being called by a constructor / _init / _fini | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | like thing | 12:13 |
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| zuh | woah, that's verbose debugging for ya :) | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | sorry :) | 12:14 |
| zuh | http://pastie.org/4673646 | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | oh that's interesting, it's actually libpthread's init routine that crashes? | 12:16 |
| zuh | Yes, that's what it looks like | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | what init routines gets called before that/ | 12:18 |
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| pq | is this about libhybris or not? | 12:19 |
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| Stskeeps | not libhybris | 12:19 |
| pq | thanks | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | we're wondering why the snowball hw adaptation with libmali crashes on mer :) | 12:20 |
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| zuh | # nm /usr/lib/debug/lib/libc-2.15.so.debug | grep dl_error | 12:20 |
| zuh | 00113000 T __libc_dl_error_tsd | 12:20 |
| zuh | or hmm | 12:20 |
| zuh | It was the return value that is off, not the symbol itself | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:21 |
| pq | I just realised... gdb is quite useless on ARM, when you happen to segfault in any of the binary blobs :-P | 12:22 |
| zuh | Stskeeps: the full log: http://pingu.fi/~zuh/log.txt | 12:23 |
| zuh | of LD_DEBUG | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | ugh, we need to fix search paths | 12:23 |
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| Stskeeps | zuh: intruiging, it's the first init that gets called | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | zuh: do you have sage's gles test binary too? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | if so, try to see if any other init gets called first? | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | also | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | does LD_BIND_NOW=1 change behaviour? | 12:28 |
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| zuh | Only in that the binds are done first, then the init called and crashed in | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | what does ldd say on the binary? | 12:33 |
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| zuh | http://pastie.org/4673731 | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: what does ldd look on glestest? | 12:36 |
| zuh | woo | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 12:36 |
| zuh | http://pastie.org/4673738 | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | wtf | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:37 |
| zuh | (the output is a bit mangled by the kernel messages) | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | well | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | at least we have a cause now | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | libc isn't initialised first | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | i have a bad thought.. | 12:38 |
| zuh | except according to the log the init order is still pthread then libc | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | well, it doesn't list LD_PRELOAD i would guess | 12:39 |
| zuh | Oh, right, that might be the case | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | okay, this is a really bizarre thought, but could you do LC_ALL=C ? | 12:40 |
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| zuh | segfaults | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:41 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: still need that ldd? | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: yes, for fun | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | and LD_DEBUG too if possible | 12:43 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4673759 | 12:44 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/j7tDPGpK | 12:45 |
| zuh | I'll leave you guys guessing for the cause and prepare for food and going to real-life tasks, bbl or tomorrow | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | zuh: thanks | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: without ldd.. | 12:46 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ah :d | 12:47 |
| * Stskeeps offers sage brains | 12:48 | |
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| Sage | You have exceeded the maximum file size of 500 kilobytes per paste. PRO users don't have this limit! | 12:50 |
| Sage | :P | 12:50 |
| Sage | sec, need to upload somewhere | 12:50 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: kan I have some of those? :D | 12:50 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo-tmp/glestest_ld_debug_all.txt | 12:52 |
| notmart | Sage: can you take a quick look to https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=iodbc&project=CE%3AMW%3APlasmaActive ? | 12:52 |
| notmart | Project:KDE:Devel/iodbc was removed to avoid duplications, but it's still linked to that, so at the moment fails to build | 12:53 |
| Sage | notmart: fixing | 12:53 |
| notmart | thx ;) | 12:53 |
| Sage | notmart: fixed | 12:53 |
| notmart | thanks, works now | 12:53 |
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| Stskeeps | no google | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | i don't want to search for thread arm hear | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | hair | 12:59 |
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| Sage | notmart: I can see you cleaned the Project:KDE:Devel from the old stuff, nice :) | 13:03 |
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| notmart | Sage: yeah, meego shall not be named anymore :p | 13:04 |
| Sage | notmart: :) | 13:04 |
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| Sage | notmart: I can see only two things there anymore that could be dropped. a) ContsoleKit where systemd-loginctl is the replacement b) maliit that should be merged with nemo mw project | 13:05 |
| notmart | yeah | 13:06 |
| Sage | notmart: and well, there is connman that you could use instead of networkmanager, but I'm fine with that ;) | 13:06 |
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| * Sage stares the huge dependency list of networkmanager.. | 13:07 | |
| notmart | for consolekit i'm still not sure how systemd-loginctl can be integrated with kde just yet, i'll maybe give a try after active 3 release | 13:07 |
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| notmart | for maliit i'm trying right now to build the latest without patches, if it does work should be possible to just use the one from nemo (as soon is 0.92.4) | 13:08 |
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| w00t | oh, we're getting a maliit upgrade? /me thanks notmart :-) | 13:11 |
| Sage | hehe... hopefully we get it updated without larger problems. Just don't know how the libs in nemo take the new maliit. | 13:13 |
| Sage | there was some old api stuff obsoleted so it might cause problems | 13:13 |
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| w00t | Sage: breakage\o/ | 13:32 |
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| w00t | a little of both | 13:34 |
| w00t | we need the upgrade | 13:34 |
| Sage | yes | 13:34 |
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| Stskeeps | oh? | 15:10 |
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| notmart | Sage, w00t: right now there are working maliit 0.92.4 packages (framework and plugins) in Project:KDE:Devel. should be a good base, then if/when they can be moved in nemo, i can drop them from there | 16:36 |
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| Sage | notmart: someone needs to test those with nemo before we can accept them. Lets see if someone i sinterested of taking the job. | 16:40 |
| mikhas | remember to use the 0.92.4.1 for maliit-plugins if you care about passing tests, too | 16:40 |
| mikhas | but I doubt you have the Maliit tests running for mer | 16:41 |
| mikhas | Sage, notmart did just that, testing with Nemo. | 16:41 |
| mikhas | But he did with PlasmaActive | 16:41 |
| mikhas | testing with Nemo keyboard plugin, I mean | 16:41 |
| notmart | no, actually just with the whole plasma active distribution, didn't try with the nemo one | 16:42 |
| mikhas | notmart, but you used the QML keyboard plugin | 16:42 |
| notmart | i see the nemo keyboard still working there tough | 16:42 |
| mikhas | precisely | 16:42 |
| notmart | (and without tooltip ghosts anymore oh yeah ;) | 16:42 |
| notmart | what i still don't know if all is still working out of the box when those packages are installed on a nemo image | 16:43 |
| mikhas | Sage, dont you have staging images where you can try out a new Maliit version and if it works, it gets integrated? | 16:43 |
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| mikhas | notmart, I wouldnt want to do it manually | 16:44 |
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| Sage | mikhas: atm. not really soon with the new structure yes, but with the current one it is not so easy to do that kind of images. :/ | 16:48 |
| mikhas | ok, understood | 16:49 |
| w00t | notmart: ghosting on x86 you mean? | 16:49 |
| w00t | having that gone would indeed be great | 16:50 |
| mikhas | it's just a huge waste of time for me, as "upstream", to test on any possible target platform, especially if I have to install the packages manually and cant just flash an image | 16:50 |
| mikhas | what were those tooltip ghosts? never heard of that (perhaps I dont want to?) | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: how could we help with maliit QA / integrating with your testing practices? | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | (in nemo) | 16:52 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, running "make check" on your target platform would be a good start | 16:52 |
| mikhas | and publishing the failure reports somewhere | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:53 |
| mikhas | so that you can just report bugs and link to the logs | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | so make check requires a x session or? | 16:53 |
| mikhas | and because Maliit is a configuration nightmare, do always publish what kind of configuration you used (the qmake CONFIG=… stuff) | 16:53 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, it does, sadly | 16:54 |
| mikhas | we have mimicked an Xorg session on our buildbot though | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 16:54 |
| mikhas | Well, let's say some of the tests assume Xorg | 16:54 |
| mikhas | but if for example you use Qt's QWS, they should be skipped instead | 16:55 |
| mikhas | but no QWS for Qt5, so there's that :-) | 16:55 |
| mikhas | I cant wait for our Wayland input method system work to progress. | 16:55 |
| mikhas | Everything will be so much simpler then. | 16:56 |
| mikhas | (yeah yeah, and I'll be eating my words in 6 months I guess) | 16:57 |
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