Friday, 2012-08-31

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phinaliumzgood morning04:42
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StskeepsKypeli_: so you start tomorrow or later this month?05:11
Kypeli_Stskeeps: I have tried to get a hold of Marc (who I believe is on vacation) to clarify this. I can start tomorrow, but still need to verify with Marc.05:12
Stskeepsah, poke iekku instead05:13
Kypeli_Stskeeps: I hope at least I could start earlier than what we first agreed (due to my employer...) - things changed :)05:13
Kypeli_Yeah, I'll do that today - again :)05:13
* Stskeeps passes coffee pot to iekku05:13
iekkuKypeli_, marc is back on monday. ping me then05:14
* Kypeli_ gives some more coffee to iekku.05:14
Kypeli_iekku: ack05:14
iekkunot my morning, i have had lots of back pains and haven't got enough sleep. last night i managed to get sleep and my "wife" woke me up 30 minutes _before_ alarm05:15
iekkuand there wasn't any coffee when he started to ask if i should start working already05:16
Stskeepsiekku: i have a coffee machine that can start brewing at certain times05:16
Stskeepsbest 20 euro ever spent05:16
iekkuStskeeps, :D i think that could be useful05:16
iekkubut the point this time was that jussi didn't make coffee before he woke me05:17
Kypeli_Wrong move.05:17
* lpotter waves05:17
Stskeepsgood morning lpotter05:18
Stskeepshow was the bbq?05:18
iekkuStskeeps, i have machine turning itself of when done and has thermos jug05:18
zchydemmorning everyone05:18
Kypeli_zchydem: _o/05:19
lpotterStskeeps: good. a bit sad. some teary eyes, some crying05:19 much talent wasted.05:19
Kypeli_I had the short privilege to work with some guys from Brisbase on Qt Contacts. What a bunch of bright people.05:20
iekkulpotter, last day at office?05:20
iekkuuh :/05:20
zchydemlpotter: btw, has Digia offered you guys possibility to continue with Qt development?05:21
lpotterno ones heard anything from DIgia05:21
Kypeli_Typical Finns...05:21
iekkuwhat a stupidy05:21
zchydemlpotter: ok... Sad...05:21
lpotterwell.. they are in a quiet period05:21
lpotterstill.. if they wanted Brisbane.... they would have made it part of the deal05:22
Stskeepslpotter: yeah, and of an era i guess05:23
zchydemlpotter: was the QML part was mostly done there?05:23
Stskeepsbrisbane was previously a trolltech office or how was it?05:23
lpotteryes, declarative had a team of 1005:23
lpotteryes previously Trolltech, where qtopia was made05:23
Stskeepsat least most of your technology is open source and openly governed, so nothing stops you from continuing the mission05:24
* zchydem wonders if QML development is an "easy task" to transfer to other people05:24
Stskeepszchydem: i think scifi style memory transfers is only way05:24
* zchydem needs to start working now. -> going to iddle05:25
Stskeepshave a good day05:25
zchydemyou too05:25
iekkuzchydem, nice woek day05:27
* iekku need more coffee05:27
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Stskeepsnow that there's finally qt5 beta tarballs, maybe we can get sane qt5 packages in mer..05:29
Stskeepsanybody know offhand who was working on xcb plugin in qt?05:29
lpotterzchydem: well, there's qml (gui stuff) then there's the declarative stuff that makes it all work. Only a few guys in Brisbane are familiar with how it works backendwise05:31
Kypeli_I wonder when Digia is going to find this out...05:32
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iekkuKypeli_, more interesting part is to wait what happens after they find it out05:34
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Kypeli_Yes :)05:37
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Sagelbt: pong05:46
jonniStskeeps: Samuel Rodal did the xcb plugin for qt5 wayland.05:49
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Stskeepsjonni: well, xcb for qt in general05:49
jonniStskeeps: well he did the general parts too afaik05:49
Stskeepsgood, at least sroedal is likely to go to digia :)05:50
jonnibut ofcourse I could be wrong, just off my bad memory :)05:51
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Sagelbt: any more stuff to mer-kickstarter? I would be ok to tag next release of it05:55
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StskeepsSage: uhh06:42
Sagerebuild probably fixes that06:42
Sagebut wanted to show before I do that06:42
SageStskeeps: need more info or should I just try to rebuild the stuff?06:44
Stskeepsrebuild.. not a sb2i ssue though06:44
Sagelbt: there seems to be always about 20 blocked packages in cobs that are not going away06:46
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Stskeepssivang's sick, i think documentation day might be cancelled07:25
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* timoph ponders about bug #22307:58
MerbotBug task, Normal, ---, not-taken, NEW, Core-to-backtrace tool needed07:58
Stskeepswell, something to easily do it07:59
timophmaybe modify to work with mer07:59
timophit's all shell scripts so shouldn't be too hard07:59
timophneeds some work. at least upstart -> systemd, etc.08:01
timophand a lot of testing :)08:01
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StskeepsSage: got pam 1.1.5 to build08:08
Sageoh, that was fast dropped all the patches and stuff?08:09
Sageps. 1.1.6 is the latest08:09
Stskeepsi decided it was better to avoid NIH and go for tizen's version08:09
Stskeepsas it is how ours would end up looking too08:09
Sagedo they have their own fork or do they use upstream?08:09
Stskeepsupstream from what i can tell08:09
* Sage goes to lunch soon08:10
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zuhWhy don't the more recent releases have kickstart files at ? Does one get them from somewhere else or..?08:10
Stskeepszuh: you can use an old one with newer release08:11
Stskeepswe do them when we have a sdk release08:11
zuhoh, ok08:11
Stskeepsthey don't change terribly much, so :)08:11
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zuhIt's just a bit confusing if one wants to be up-to-date from the start and has to use a ks from six months back...08:12
zuh(as says, well ok just 5 months)08:13
Stskeepsi'll prod lbt to do a proper release08:13
zuhI guess if they don't change, and are such small size, a copy of them (or just link) in the release dirs wouldn't hurt08:14
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timophthe core thing might be simpler to do by simply starting from scratch and looking at rich-core for some reference08:18
timophthe thing is very maemo/meego specific08:18
Stskeepsi think i started looking a bit at sp-rich-core at least08:18
timophthe idea behind is pretty simple08:19
timophset kernel pattern for cores to get them into a single place, strip unwanted stuff, package08:20
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timophso as a start we could just set the pattern to /tmp/core-dumps/ or something08:20
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timophtoo bad I'm busy this weekend. this is starting to sound like a interesting project :p08:21
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timophmoving niina's sister to jyväskylä this weekend :/08:22
* Aard reacts on the jyväskylä highlight08:22
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* iekku is amazed, Aard managed to write jyväskylä correctly08:23
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Aardiekku: I'm just usually to lazy to use my compose key08:23
* iekku slaps Aard 08:24
* timoph is mentally preparing to carry a lot of heavy boxes08:25
Aardtimoph: is it somewhere close to the centre, so I could come with beer and snacks to watch?08:25
slainetimoph: Where mentally preparing == dreading08:26
slaineMorning folks :)08:26
timophit's somewhere outside of the centre. can't remember the part of town08:26
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sivangre all08:28
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timophhmmh. ubuntu has it's own core processing solution. I wonder if that would work with mer without too many changes08:42
timophwritten in python08:42
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timophbut meh to that. rich-core should be easy to get working08:55
Stskeepsand closer to our needs08:55
Stskeepsas well as the website solutions08:55
timophfinally an excuse to learn systemd :)08:56
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sivangI'm lurking here for the time being, just to note.08:58
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sivang(afking on and off)08:58
Stskeepslbt: can we get kickstarts for latest release?08:59
lbtyes, sry08:59
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Stskeepsno worries, just wondering08:59
Stskeepsgood morning situ09:00
situGood morning :)09:01
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sledgesgood Friday morning!09:04
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sivangmorning sledges!09:06
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sledgeshi sivang, sorry to hear about your downstairs flu09:08
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Stskeepslbt: how is thumb going?09:09
lbtline 49 5109:10
lbtwhy is exec_prefix set to "" and then "/"09:11
Stskeepsthat i can't explain09:11
lbtand how the hell does it build anywhere else09:11
Stskeeps%configure definition?09:11
lbtmake it /bin /lib ?09:11
lbtanyhow - removing that fixes it09:11
lbtneeds testing on other arches09:11
Stskeepsrpm --showrc maybe?09:11
lbtlibatomic is a code issue09:12
lbtshould fix it from a visual inspection09:12
Stskeepsso an upgrade needed?09:12
lbtwell, minimal variation I thought I'd start by a patch to that file09:13
lbtthen try an upgrade to 7.209:13
lbtthen hit a rabbit hole :)09:13
lbtquickbuild fails in SB2 "build"09:13
lbtsince ABUILD_UID is hardcoded09:13
lbtso I fixed that09:13
lbtbut something weird happened and I lost osc build09:14
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lbtturns out something somewhere fails if ABUILD_UID != 39909:14
Stskeepsthat shouldn't break..09:14
lbtI recognised the rabbit hole and simply hardcoded 500 in initscript_sb209:15
lbtbut then ftb09:15
lbtanyhow that was 01:15 :)09:15
lbtwhat's bad is that it's annoying me...09:15
lbtand quickbuild would be totally useful09:16
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lbtnb quickbuild just begs to work with gitpkg09:19
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* lbt notes that cobs was never this heavily used when meego was at it's peak10:15
lbtbut I would like to disable mer-next when it's meaningless10:16
sledgeswow @MeeGo comment10:16
Stskeepswhat meego comment..10:16
lbtsledges: different usage pattern though10:16
lbtMer uses cobs as a community builder, not a "keep 'em quiet" space :)10:17
* lbt goes back to work10:17
sledgeswork? ;)10:18
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sledgeswas it you working at a supermarket store months ago lbt? :)10:19
sledgesnear reading10:19
lbtnope, never done that10:19
lbtlive near reading though10:19
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sledgesah, then definitely talked briefly to you about job availabilities in where I work, and around south England in general back in the day10:21
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lbt*nod* istr that10:21
sledgeshopefully things look bright for most of mobile embedded enthusiasts soon, now that Jolla is around, and hopefully some other startups (Mer-based tablet,IVI,etc niches are still open)10:22
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sledgesideally they could re-use Jolla's coming appstore10:23
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lbtStskeeps: you are evil and I will kill you12:00
phaeroncan we quote that12:01
lbtyou can video it!12:02
Stskeepslbt: what did i do now12:02
lbt"preinstalling sb2-tools-armv7hl-inject... tools" ... and lo and behold, the "abuild" user appears in /etc/passwd12:02
Stskeepslbt: uhh12:02
Stskeepslbt: that doesn't sound right12:02
Stskeepsit does12:03
Stskeepsthat's a bug :)12:03
lbtyou don't say :P12:03
Stskeepsand one i had hoped would disappear with sb2-obs v212:03
lbtthat should fix quickbuild12:04
Stskeepswhich is for the record something i'd like one day hire people to finish, but that's a different issue..12:04
lbtand I can work around it in build/init stuff12:04
lbtyep, sb2 needs upstreaming too12:04
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lbtit's becoming hard to maintain12:04
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lbtwe could do with a chat with adrian to push the current patchset up there12:05
lbtand then promise to improve it12:05
Stskeepsthe problem is that the 'right' solution is depping on a dead project12:06
lbtsb2 ?12:06
Stskeepsno, the transparent cross compile stuff b1-systems was doing12:07
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lbtOK, discuss in a week or so?12:07
lbtat f2f?12:07
* lbt goes to apply sed '/^abuild/d'12:08
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Stskeepsit shouldn't be in the fs for sure12:11
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Stskeepslbt: just a status thing, not me asking you to do anything, but did we find out any more about why mer CI boss died?12:15
lbtno, same issue12:16
Stskeepsi'll investigate12:16
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ccssnetcxl000: thanks for reminding me this exists12:36
ccssnetand now! nap time. bbl12:37
Stskeepslbt: i'm giving boss a restart12:37
Stskeepsand seeing what happens12:37
Stskeepslike, full machine restart12:38
Stskeepstoo late12:38
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lbtyeah, I saw :)12:38
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lbtnot looking well12:43
Stskeepsi'm hearing a flat beep12:43
lbtwill kill at the phost12:43
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lbtback now12:46
lbthad to create the vm12:46
Stskeepsok, tried to start a process12:49
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Stskeepslbt: how would i see in log that a process gets created?13:02
lbtyou want the boss log13:04
Stskeepsyes, not skynet13:05
Stskeepsokay, that's awkward13:08
Stskeepsi start a proces and nothing shows up in there13:08
Stskeepslbt: is there a IP restriction on boss?13:08
lbtkinda - it has no external IP13:09
lbtbut otherwise no13:09
Stskeepsi mean, if it refuses conns outside lan or something13:09
lbtmore that the vlan has no real routing13:09
lbtjust DNAT for external fetches13:10
Stskeepsany way i can debug RuoteAMQP from client side?13:10
lbtyou can connect to boss vm from any other VM13:10
Stskeepsor listen in somehow on server side13:10
lbtrabbitmq debugging13:11
lbtrabbitmqctl list_queues -p boss13:14
lbtfact is we need to establish some monitoring infra around this13:15
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Stskeepshello Kelteseth_13:16
lbtI think I'll go back to doing something nice and easy like fixing thumb stuff in libatomic_ops ...13:16
Kelteseth_Hi :)13:16
Stskeepslbt: just upgrade the version, much easier and more rational :)13:16
StskeepsKelteseth_: welcome to #mer :) so what brings you here?13:16
lbtwill do that13:17
Kelteseth_I'm interested in he mer Project13:17
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lbtKelteseth_: right place then :)13:17
StskeepsKelteseth_: cool :) if you have any questions or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :)13:17
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Kelteseth_Cool :) I'm a Designer/Programmer and I currently working on a Desktop for the WeTab which is based on Mer13:18
Stskeepscool - last i saw, wetab was meego based though, but they could easily use mer too13:20
Kelteseth_Its an community project becaus 4tiitoo is no longer working on the WeTabOS ;(13:21
Stskeepsi have an exopc myself, though not a wetab, it's a nice kit13:21
Stskeepsdid you see the stuff we're doing with lipstick in Nemo mobile?13:21
situHow much part of WeTab OS was open source ?13:21
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Kelteseth_Not much. The "Desktop" was written in Qt 4.7 and closed source13:22
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Kelteseth_The Problem with the WeTab is that the Intel grafic is awful13:23
Stskeepswell, you're probably just not using it right13:23
Kelteseth_It cant even handle OpenGL 2 that means no nice QML animations with Qt513:24
Stskeepsthat doesn't sound right13:24
Stskeepswe have egl/gles 2.0 working just fine13:24
Stskeepson exopc13:25
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Stskeeps also works on exopc for us13:25
Stskeepsqml based desktop13:26
Stskeepswell, something doesn't sound right :) do you have a page for your mer based project for wetab?13:27
Kelteseth_But the GMA 3150 can only handle openGL 1.513:28
Kelteseth_I'm confused now^^13:28
Stskeepsso, we don't generally do opengl itself, we do opengl es13:28
Stskeepsand gma3150 does gles 2.0 quite nicely13:28
Kelteseth_Nope is not ready yet -> Seadot.org13:29
StskeepsKelteseth_: you should try to boot on your exopc13:29
Stskeeps#nemomobile exists13:29
Stskeepserr, wetab13:30
Stskeepssorry :)13:30
Stskeepsmer uses gles2.0 only for qt13:30
Kelteseth_A Developer of the WeTab community pycage is currently working on a Mer based Version for the Wetab
mikhaswe know pycage very well13:32
StskeepsKelteseth_: silly question, does wetab have a fan?13:33
Kelteseth_yes it has and your can hear it :D13:34
sledgesit doesn't explicitly mention Mer anywhere on tha forum :)13:34
StskeepsKelteseth_: anyway, there is no reason why you couldn't do sane qml2 on exopc13:34
Stskeeps / wetab13:34
Stskeepsor for that matter, accelerated qml1 too13:34
Kelteseth_that sund great I will try it as soon as I can13:35
Stskeepsat same time, look into nemo mobile as well13:35
* sledges likes the news nevertheless, the more mer devices, the better!13:35
Stskeepslbt / phaeron: how would i go to boss viewer again?13:37
Kelteseth_Which Hardware do you user for Mer? Tablet, Notebooks..?13:37
Stskeepslocalhost:9292  ..?13:37
StskeepsKelteseth_: all sorts13:37
StskeepsKelteseth_: stb, tablet, notebooks, phones13:37
Stskeepsraspberry pi..13:37
lbtyou need a tunnel and look at /_ruote13:37
Kelteseth_It bught a rasperry 3 months ago :/13:38
Stskeepslbt: and if i wanted to clear out all processess?13:38
Kelteseth_but I don't have it yet13:39
Stskeepslbt: and unlock all participants13:39
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lbtStskeeps: it doesn't have a "wipe" mechanism yet13:41
Stskeepslbt: okay13:41
Stskeepsso manually one by one?13:41
lbtin general we don't want to do that13:41
lbtyes - but usually we re-apply them13:41
phaeronStskeeps: if you want nuke the db at /srv/spool/boss_ruote_db (?)13:41
lbtyes, you can do that13:42
lbtthen re enable all the participants13:42
phaeronyeah skynet register --all if you have latest skynet13:43
Stskeepsokay, so, walk me through steps to nuke db?13:43
Stskeepsi just want a fresh one, no worries about data there13:43
phaeronrm -rf13:43
Stskeepsany processes need to be restarted / stopped?13:43
Kelteseth_By the way is there a reason you user the old mediawiki skin?  ;)13:43
lbtKelteseth_: lack of a better one13:44
lbtcss gratefully recvd13:44
Kelteseth_Whats with the Vecotor skin? Wikipedia is using that Skin...13:45
phaeronStskeeps: restarting boss will recreate the db13:50
phaeronStskeeps: then restart boss-viewer13:50
Stskeepsphaeron: i'm sure you'll be happy to know that the boss we have is so old it doesn't have register --all13:51
phaeronStskeeps: you mean skynet .. :/13:51
phaeronStskeeps: can you update it ?13:51
Stskeepslbt: just a status query again, how did we do with boss packaging?13:51
lbtbasically done - I have a task to complete it in the next few days13:52
lbtit will also make extending boss viewer much easier13:52
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lbtStskeeps: should I be able to osc ci to the CI OBS ?13:53
Stskeepslbt: Core:armv7tnhl or?13:54
Stskeepsthey're just linkpacs i think13:55
lbtwas getting 40413:55
lbtdo I have admin rights?13:56
Stskeepsyes, you should have13:57
lbtyes, I must13:57
Stskeepsnot sure if armv7tnhl is a <link> or linkpacs13:59
lbtlogs show it 40414:01
lbt[DEBUG|#17084]   DbPackage Load (0.1ms)   SELECT * FROM `db_packages` WHERE (name = BINARY 'device-mapper') AND (`db_pack14:01
lbtages`.db_project_id = 4343) LIMIT 114:01
lbt[DEBUG|#17084] DbPackage::UnknownObjectError (Core:armv7tnhl:experimental/device-mapper):14:01
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Stskeepscheck metap rj14:02
lbtso yeah there's a _link file14:02
Stskeepsyeah, now it looks like boss daemon fails to start14:02
Stskeepsno new boss_ruote/ being made14:03
* lbt realises how damned easy hacking on packages is by comparison to systems :)14:03
Stskeepsmade boss_ruote_db dir with boss:boss14:03
Stskeepslbt: welcome to my world14:03
lbtwe should swap for a bit14:03
Stskeepsi like my world14:03
lbtwell, they're building locally anyhow14:04
lbtso I'll keep going and figure out how to push later14:04
lbtI assume phaeron is still helping - yell if you need me14:05
* lbt -> coffee14:05
Stskeepshave fun14:05
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Stskeeps2012-08-31 14:08:10.303095500 Server returned an error: HTTP Error 503: Service Temporarily Unavailable14:08
phaeronI am here14:10
phaeronStskeeps: what ?14:10
Stskeepswell, i can not blame BOSS anymore14:10
* phaeron tries to understand14:11
Stskeepsmer CI api is giving 503's14:11
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phaeronStskeeps: what about boss ?14:12
phaerondid you update ?14:12
Stskeepsno, but it seems to function now14:13
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Stskeepslbt: does co Core:i586 acl work for you?14:14
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Stskeepsi know it's good coffee..14:26
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Stskeepswtf do i get 503 then..14:33
lbtosc -A merci co Core:i586 acl ?14:33
Stskeepsosc -A co Core:i586 acl14:33
Stskeepsosc -A co Core:i586 acl14:33
lbtyes, merci is my alias for that14:34
lbtrevision 1219d1c36957cb92774628fc47c0e17d.14:35
Stskeepsi don't even get output from log in api log production.log when i go14:35
lbt<address>Apache/2.2.16 (Debian14:37
lbtetc/hosts ?14:37
lbtfeels like you may have an old IP cached or something14:38
Stskeepsworks fine from my laptop14:38
Stskeepsnot on monster14:39
Stskeepsor gerrit14:39
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lbtwe don't master external DNS internally so zathras is out of sync14:40
lbttry now14:41
lbtFWIW I ordered the DNS robot from Hetzner14:42
lbtit needed me to print+sign a contract but they were very quick14:42
lbtI now have a proper DNS thingy14:42
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Stskeepshello mason_ :)16:42
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Stskeepsmason_: welcome to #mer, so what brings you here?16:46
mason_Jolla and Meego16:47
Stskeepscool :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :)16:48
mason_Need to the first try the SDK and check if I can contribute to TDriver or some other16:50
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Stskeepscool, yeah tdriver is in use by some projects16:53
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* Stskeeps yawns17:50
Stskeepslbt: now works fine17:50
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StskeepsANNOUNCE: The CI system is now back and happily reviewing your submissions17:57
Stskeepsexpect large amounts of mail spam17:57
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lbtStskeeps: what was up with it ?18:03
Stskeepslbt: i think it was the 503 stuff.18:04
Stskeepsit was good to clear it out anyway.18:04
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lbtOK - makes sense18:04
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lbtwell, I should be good to redeploy this week sometime18:04
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lbtthe perl stuff in thumb looks like macro issues18:04
lbtanyhow - off to Tango now, be around tomorrow18:05
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Stskeepsevening javispedro18:39
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* javispedro is going to play with openwebos a bit18:40
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Stskeepssounds like a plan18:41
Stskeepsgood to see they've actually done a OE setp18:43
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javispedroloving how easy to setup the build system is =)18:47
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Stskeeps@!$@$ finally18:53
Stskeepsi got a seat with my user session18:53
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SageStskeeps: did pam update help btw?19:08
Stskeepsthat turned out not to be the issue19:08
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Stskeepssatop: welcome to #mer :) so what brings you here?20:19
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satopi just clicked the link on the mer page and ended here i expected to spectate some discussion going on here and learning from it20:21
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Stskeepsit's friday night and many are from europe, so a bit silent :) more active during the day though20:22
Stskeepsif you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out20:22
satopok thank you i am reading the wiki now20:23
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