Thursday, 2012-08-30

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ShadowJKlibrab103; i havnt checked, but I'm guessing there'll be a list-unsubscribe header in the mails from the list. Sending an email to that address, and then replying to confirmation email should do it00:02
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librab103Thank you, I will try that00:05
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iekkumorning03:31
phinaliumzgood morning03:33
lpotter-homehi03:35
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timophmorning04:42
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Stskeepszzzz05:00
Kypeli_morning05:06
* iekku offers huge cup of coffee to Stskeeps 05:07
Kypeli_Yep, coffee. Good idea. Thanks iekku05:07
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Stskeepshttp://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html06:01
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Stskeepsmorn pirut :)06:09
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situMorning everyone07:08
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Stskeepsmorn situ07:08
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Andy80good morning!07:08
situStskeeps: Were you able to build libdracut ?07:09
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Stskeepsno, i haven't touched it07:10
situIt was modified a bit.07:11
Stskeepshave left it up to you to see if you can fix :)07:11
situOk, I will try.07:13
Stskeepsgot an URL to it?07:13
situto repo ?07:13
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Stskeepsto obs package / build log07:14
situhttp://bit.ly/O52mXa07:17
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Stskeepsand url to spec file?07:19
situhttp://bit.ly/N10JwB07:20
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lbtmorning all07:46
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sledgesgood morning! :)09:02
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Stskeepsmorn09:03
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faenilyo peeps o/09:29
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sledgesmorning faenil :)09:45
faenilsledges, o/09:47
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lbtStskeeps: did your wlan work with new Mer?10:35
Stskeepslbt: it was me not using right SSID..10:36
lbtOK, good10:36
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Stskeepsqt5 beta released \o/11:29
faenilyup11:29
faenilfinally :)11:29
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faenillbt, how is it going with OBS?11:32
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lbtfaenil: it's just busy11:36
faenilI see11:37
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StskeepsBostik: http://releases.qt-project.org/qt5.0/beta1/split_sources/13:28
Stskeepshell hath frozen over13:28
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Stskeepsjonwil: how do you feel about cameras?13:45
Stskeeps:P13:45
jonwilwhat sort of cameras?13:45
Stskeepsjonwil: so, we'd like to kill libomap3camd, right13:45
jonwilyes13:46
jonwilWasn't the plan to port fcam for Mer/Nemo on N900?13:46
Stskeepsjonwil: i think fcam can be used already/modified to work on our camera stack.13:46
jonwili.e. use the existing N900 fcam port13:46
Stskeepsie, no libomap3camd involved13:46
jonwilok13:46
Stskeepsjonwil: i looked at sources and kernel interfaces, it seems about there13:46
jonwilok13:46
jonwilwell whats the issue then?13:46
Stskeepswell, somebody to actually do it13:47
Stskeeps:P13:47
jonwilDont look at me, I dont have the time right now :)13:47
Stskeepsfair enough13:47
jonwilnor do I have a Mer/Neno dev environment going :P13:47
Stskeeps:P13:47
Stskeepsok, on to next volunteer ;)13:47
jonwilok :)13:47
Stskeepsi'd very much like to see fcam on other devices too, it sidesteps a lot of properitary crap around the place13:48
jonwilit would be good to see an OS for the N900 that had no binary blobs at all13:48
jonwilbiggest problem would be powervr of course13:49
jonwilfollowed by GPS13:49
jonwilthose 2 and libcal are the only binary blobs left where there isn't a clear path to open-source replacements13:50
jonwilI came up with replacements for wl1251-cal-bin, libppu-bin, libwl1251-bin and sysinfod-rx5113:51
Stskeepsgood13:51
jonwiltanuk2 was doing pulseaudio work, pali and fremangordon are doing bme and we have fcam for camera13:51
jonwilregarding libcal, there are existing libraries that can read the CAL area in some form (libopendsme and calvaria). I had plans to write a replacement using bits of code from both but I didn't get to it because I dont have the time13:54
jonwilAnd also we have a license incompatiblity with libopendsme being GPL3 and calvaria being GPL2 only13:54
jonwilso I cant legally use code from both13:55
Stskeepsheh13:55
jonwileither way I dont see it being that hard for someone to write a libcal replacement if there was a clear push for it13:55
jonwilGPS on the other hand...13:55
jonwilThe only info on the N900 GPS comes from a file called pn_location_isi.h that is available in a few places but which has no real license (open or otherwise) attached to it.13:56
jonwilThe rest is wrapped in binary blobs as part of location-adaptation-rx-5113:57
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Stskeepsyeah.. it's a mess13:58
jonwilmy guess is that issues related to proprietary information and to legislation regarding GPS in different countries made it difficult to do anything much beyond what was done. That and 3rd party IP from whoever made the cell modem, GPS chip etc.13:59
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jonwilThat said, I am sure someone who cared could find a way to at least get raw packets out of the thing without much work, even if it didn't support the fancy stuff like talking to the SUPL server to get the AGPS data14:03
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crevetorStskeeps: is there a problem having a binary compiled with mfpu=neon in mer (where everything is compiled with mfpu=vfpv3-d16 ?14:39
Stskeepsno14:40
crevetorStskeeps: cool14:40
crevetorStskeeps: working on fcam FYI14:40
Stskeepsalright14:40
Stskeepsyou might want to build it for mer just becuase, at leat14:41
crevetor?14:42
Stskeepslike, not take the binary directly14:42
Stskeepsand individually test the classes14:42
crevetoroh yes, no I'm building it specifically for met, which is why I asked because it uses some neon instructions at some point14:42
Stskeeps:nod:14:42
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crevetorMy build just worked, but I'm at work so can't test anything right now :(14:43
Stskeeps:nod:14:43
crevetormy plan is to configure the pipeline manually and have fcam use the ouput pad directly14:43
crevetorand then code the pipeline stuff in the fcam n950 driver14:44
Stskeepsi sadly haven't seen source for n950 fcam :/14:44
Stskeepsreally sucks14:44
crevetorStskeeps: I copied the source for N900 and started adapting them14:45
Stskeepsok14:45
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crevetorI'll probably integrate the pipeline setup code of gstreamer so we can re-use the pipeline configuration files14:46
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Stskeepsmorning lpotter16:14
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faenilStskeeps, I think he's sleeping atm16:16
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Stskeepslo gandhijee_16:18
gandhijee_Hi Stskeeps16:18
gandhijee_hows things16:18
Stskeepsgood16:18
gandhijee_could you see anything?16:19
Stskeepsnot a single bit :)16:19
gandhijee_really?16:20
ars_lbt: pinggg16:21
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lbtars_:  pong16:23
ars_lbt: hey, would you mind activating my user account at the OBS?16:23
lbtsure.. what is it?16:23
ars_ars16:23
lbtdone, have fun :)16:24
ars_cheers! :)16:24
lbtStskeeps: thumb2 ?16:24
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Stskeepslbt, Core:armv7tnhl:experimental16:52
Stskeepson ci16:52
lbt"make it work" ?16:54
Stskeepsnah16:55
Stskeepsstudy errors at first16:55
Sagethat isn't that bad in the end16:58
crevetorStskeeps: "t" ?17:04
crevetorthumb17:04
Sage:nod:17:10
Stskeepslbt: so, first off, take a look at binutils and gcc17:14
Stskeepsthese now have tnhl targets17:14
Stskeepsthey need to be made into git submissions17:14
Stskeepsi chickened out with the prjconf description but as you may see from prjconf, it's pretty straightforward17:15
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Stskeepsevening situ17:20
situGood evening :)17:20
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Stskeepslbt: generally i've done much of the rough work but we need ot include some changes upstream17:22
Stskeepsin gcc and binutils precheckin.sh is your friend17:22
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situSorry disconnected.17:22
Stskeepshehe17:22
Stskeepswhen you have birthday, somebody ought to get you a irc bouncer :P17:23
situor may be a new laptop and internet connection. :P17:23
lbtStskeeps: OK17:24
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Stskeepslbt: the aim is to make a armv7tnhl/ dir in project-core with the 'right stuff' in it17:26
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lbtOK17:26
Stskeepswhich we can then take out and do a local-mer-style build of on CI17:27
lbtso what are the steps?17:27
Stskeeps1. fix the remaining build failures 2. upstream binutils, gcc tnhl to mer  with precheckin.sh 3. ??? 4. profit17:28
Stskeeps(i'll specify 3 and 4 in a moment)17:29
lbtso where do the missing gcc deps come from ?17:30
Stskeepsdeps?17:30
Stskeepscross-template-sysroot need fixing, sb2-tools-template.. (the diffs are already there)17:30
Stskeepsthe linkpacs needed are obvious from looking at core armv7hl/packages.xml.in i think17:31
Stskeepswhile it might seem weird, start backwards: build failures are your enemy when debugging things are OK17:32
Stskeepsthe perl ones may be bad %ifarch armv7hl for example, or %arm not containing armv7tnhl17:33
Stskeepsor simply that our rpm macros aren't complete17:33
Stskeeps+l17:33
Stskeepsdon't dive into rabbit holes, the ones that are there are not real, so reach out if there's any problems17:33
lbtyes17:33
lbtso fix cross-template-sysroot, then cross-gcc will build17:34
Stskeepsit doesn't atm?17:34
* Stskeeps looks17:34
lbtthen look at each of the fails (they seem to be reasonable)17:34
Stskeepserr..17:35
Stskeepswhy do i have Core:experimental and Core:armv7tnhl:experimental17:35
lbtI wondered that17:35
lbtand went to the one you said17:35
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Stskeepsah, cross-template-sysroot you don't have to worry about getting to build, but you might have to get cross-armv7tnhl-glibc* in there17:37
lbtexperimental17:37
lbtignore that paste mistake :)17:37
Stskeepsah, right17:38
Stskeepsbaselibs aren't functioning for https://build.ci.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=cross-glibc-inject&project=Core%3Aarmv7tnhl%3Aexperimental&repository=Core_armv7hl17:38
Stskeepsso check out what goeso n there too17:38
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Stskeepsit might be that PublishFilter need adjusting as well17:39
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* lbt tries to sound like he's following :/17:41
Stskeepsstart at build failures on arm side :P17:42
Stskeepsand then i can guide a little better17:42
lbtso we're not worried about cross-gcc ?17:42
Stskeepsthat's less of a problem17:42
lbtis it running non-sb2 atm ?17:42
Stskeepsno, it's sb217:43
Stskeepsbut for most part, CFLAGS is set right17:43
lbtwhat compiler is it using ?17:43
Stskeepsprobably the cross-armv7hl one17:43
Stskeepswith -mthumb -mfpu=neon flag added on17:44
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lbtI'll start a local build of device mapper to populate the cache and put some food on whilst it downloads17:46
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Stskeepsok17:54
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CosmoHilleep18:01
CosmoHill(hi / woof btw)18:01
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faenilStskeeps, http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about-goobuntu-googles-in-house-desktop-ubuntu-linux-7000003462/20:26
faenilBushnell was asked why Ubuntu instead of say Fedora or openSUSE? He replied, “We chose Debian because packages and apt [Debian's basic software package programs] are light-years ahead of RPM (Red Had and SUSE's default package management system.]”20:26
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lbtStskeeps: ping20:48
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lbtSage: ping21:09
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lbtfaenil: rpm is a bag of junk - you'll get no argument from me :)21:14
faenillbt, :D21:14
faenillbt, is that sarcasm or are you talking seriously? :P21:14
lbtI'm serious - it's crap21:14
faenilok, just wanted to be sure :)21:15
lbtbut we're not changing :)21:15
faenilpity Stskeeps isn't here :D21:15
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lbtthere's plenty of crap in debian/ too21:15
lbtdebhelper, cdbs, etc etc21:16
lbtbut at least they're documented and work in sane-ish ways21:16
lbtanyhow...21:16
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BostikStskeeps: even better, qt5.git/[beta1-module] have gained "v5.0.0-beta1" tag :)21:25
Bostik...and this of course the first day I'm out...21:25
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faenillbt, :)21:28
faenilBostik, yeah I've seen they've made a bit of mess21:28
Bostiknow all we need is a working compiler in Mer:core and this baby would be available next week21:29
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CosmoHillnight night22:05
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