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| ShadowJK | librab103; i havnt checked, but I'm guessing there'll be a list-unsubscribe header in the mails from the list. Sending an email to that address, and then replying to confirmation email should do it | 00:02 |
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| librab103 | Thank you, I will try that | 00:05 |
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| iekku | morning | 03:31 |
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| Stskeeps | zzzz | 05:00 |
| Kypeli_ | morning | 05:06 |
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| Kypeli_ | Yep, coffee. Good idea. Thanks iekku | 05:07 |
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| Stskeeps | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html | 06:01 |
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| Stskeeps | morn pirut :) | 06:09 |
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| situ | Morning everyone | 07:08 |
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| Stskeeps | morn situ | 07:08 |
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| Andy80 | good morning! | 07:08 |
| situ | Stskeeps: Were you able to build libdracut ? | 07:09 |
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| Stskeeps | no, i haven't touched it | 07:10 |
| situ | It was modified a bit. | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | have left it up to you to see if you can fix :) | 07:11 |
| situ | Ok, I will try. | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | got an URL to it? | 07:13 |
| situ | to repo ? | 07:13 |
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| Stskeeps | to obs package / build log | 07:14 |
| situ | http://bit.ly/O52mXa | 07:17 |
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| Stskeeps | and url to spec file? | 07:19 |
| situ | http://bit.ly/N10JwB | 07:20 |
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| lbt | morning all | 07:46 |
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| sledges | good morning! :) | 09:02 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 09:03 |
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| faenil | yo peeps o/ | 09:29 |
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| sledges | morning faenil :) | 09:45 |
| faenil | sledges, o/ | 09:47 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: did your wlan work with new Mer? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it was me not using right SSID.. | 10:36 |
| lbt | OK, good | 10:36 |
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| Stskeeps | qt5 beta released \o/ | 11:29 |
| faenil | yup | 11:29 |
| faenil | finally :) | 11:29 |
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| faenil | lbt, how is it going with OBS? | 11:32 |
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| lbt | faenil: it's just busy | 11:36 |
| faenil | I see | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: http://releases.qt-project.org/qt5.0/beta1/split_sources/ | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | hell hath frozen over | 13:28 |
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| Stskeeps | jonwil: how do you feel about cameras? | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:45 |
| jonwil | what sort of cameras? | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: so, we'd like to kill libomap3camd, right | 13:45 |
| jonwil | yes | 13:46 |
| jonwil | Wasn't the plan to port fcam for Mer/Nemo on N900? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: i think fcam can be used already/modified to work on our camera stack. | 13:46 |
| jonwil | i.e. use the existing N900 fcam port | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | ie, no libomap3camd involved | 13:46 |
| jonwil | ok | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: i looked at sources and kernel interfaces, it seems about there | 13:46 |
| jonwil | ok | 13:46 |
| jonwil | well whats the issue then? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | well, somebody to actually do it | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:47 |
| jonwil | Dont look at me, I dont have the time right now :) | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 13:47 |
| jonwil | nor do I have a Mer/Neno dev environment going :P | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok, on to next volunteer ;) | 13:47 |
| jonwil | ok :) | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | i'd very much like to see fcam on other devices too, it sidesteps a lot of properitary crap around the place | 13:48 |
| jonwil | it would be good to see an OS for the N900 that had no binary blobs at all | 13:48 |
| jonwil | biggest problem would be powervr of course | 13:49 |
| jonwil | followed by GPS | 13:49 |
| jonwil | those 2 and libcal are the only binary blobs left where there isn't a clear path to open-source replacements | 13:50 |
| jonwil | I came up with replacements for wl1251-cal-bin, libppu-bin, libwl1251-bin and sysinfod-rx51 | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | good | 13:51 |
| jonwil | tanuk2 was doing pulseaudio work, pali and fremangordon are doing bme and we have fcam for camera | 13:51 |
| jonwil | regarding libcal, there are existing libraries that can read the CAL area in some form (libopendsme and calvaria). I had plans to write a replacement using bits of code from both but I didn't get to it because I dont have the time | 13:54 |
| jonwil | And also we have a license incompatiblity with libopendsme being GPL3 and calvaria being GPL2 only | 13:54 |
| jonwil | so I cant legally use code from both | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 13:55 |
| jonwil | either way I dont see it being that hard for someone to write a libcal replacement if there was a clear push for it | 13:55 |
| jonwil | GPS on the other hand... | 13:55 |
| jonwil | The only info on the N900 GPS comes from a file called pn_location_isi.h that is available in a few places but which has no real license (open or otherwise) attached to it. | 13:56 |
| jonwil | The rest is wrapped in binary blobs as part of location-adaptation-rx-51 | 13:57 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. it's a mess | 13:58 |
| jonwil | my guess is that issues related to proprietary information and to legislation regarding GPS in different countries made it difficult to do anything much beyond what was done. That and 3rd party IP from whoever made the cell modem, GPS chip etc. | 13:59 |
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| jonwil | That said, I am sure someone who cared could find a way to at least get raw packets out of the thing without much work, even if it didn't support the fancy stuff like talking to the SUPL server to get the AGPS data | 14:03 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: is there a problem having a binary compiled with mfpu=neon in mer (where everything is compiled with mfpu=vfpv3-d16 ? | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | no | 14:40 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: cool | 14:40 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: working on fcam FYI | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | you might want to build it for mer just becuase, at leat | 14:41 |
| crevetor | ? | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | like, not take the binary directly | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | and individually test the classes | 14:42 |
| crevetor | oh yes, no I'm building it specifically for met, which is why I asked because it uses some neon instructions at some point | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:42 |
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| crevetor | My build just worked, but I'm at work so can't test anything right now :( | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:43 |
| crevetor | my plan is to configure the pipeline manually and have fcam use the ouput pad directly | 14:43 |
| crevetor | and then code the pipeline stuff in the fcam n950 driver | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | i sadly haven't seen source for n950 fcam :/ | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | really sucks | 14:44 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: I copied the source for N900 and started adapting them | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:45 |
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| crevetor | I'll probably integrate the pipeline setup code of gstreamer so we can re-use the pipeline configuration files | 14:46 |
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| Stskeeps | morning lpotter | 16:14 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, I think he's sleeping atm | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | lo gandhijee_ | 16:18 |
| gandhijee_ | Hi Stskeeps | 16:18 |
| gandhijee_ | hows things | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | good | 16:18 |
| gandhijee_ | could you see anything? | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | not a single bit :) | 16:19 |
| gandhijee_ | really? | 16:20 |
| ars_ | lbt: pinggg | 16:21 |
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| lbt | ars_: pong | 16:23 |
| ars_ | lbt: hey, would you mind activating my user account at the OBS? | 16:23 |
| lbt | sure.. what is it? | 16:23 |
| ars_ | ars | 16:23 |
| lbt | done, have fun :) | 16:24 |
| ars_ | cheers! :) | 16:24 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: thumb2 ? | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, Core:armv7tnhl:experimental | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | on ci | 16:52 |
| lbt | "make it work" ? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | study errors at first | 16:55 |
| Sage | that isn't that bad in the end | 16:58 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: "t" ? | 17:04 |
| crevetor | thumb | 17:04 |
| Sage | :nod: | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so, first off, take a look at binutils and gcc | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | these now have tnhl targets | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | they need to be made into git submissions | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | i chickened out with the prjconf description but as you may see from prjconf, it's pretty straightforward | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | evening situ | 17:20 |
| situ | Good evening :) | 17:20 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: generally i've done much of the rough work but we need ot include some changes upstream | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | in gcc and binutils precheckin.sh is your friend | 17:22 |
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| situ | Sorry disconnected. | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | when you have birthday, somebody ought to get you a irc bouncer :P | 17:23 |
| situ | or may be a new laptop and internet connection. :P | 17:23 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: the aim is to make a armv7tnhl/ dir in project-core with the 'right stuff' in it | 17:26 |
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| lbt | OK | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | which we can then take out and do a local-mer-style build of on CI | 17:27 |
| lbt | so what are the steps? | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | 1. fix the remaining build failures 2. upstream binutils, gcc tnhl to mer with precheckin.sh 3. ??? 4. profit | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | (i'll specify 3 and 4 in a moment) | 17:29 |
| lbt | so where do the missing gcc deps come from ? | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | deps? | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | cross-template-sysroot need fixing, sb2-tools-template.. (the diffs are already there) | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | the linkpacs needed are obvious from looking at core armv7hl/packages.xml.in i think | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | while it might seem weird, start backwards: build failures are your enemy when debugging things are OK | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | the perl ones may be bad %ifarch armv7hl for example, or %arm not containing armv7tnhl | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | or simply that our rpm macros aren't complete | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | +l | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | don't dive into rabbit holes, the ones that are there are not real, so reach out if there's any problems | 17:33 |
| lbt | yes | 17:33 |
| lbt | so fix cross-template-sysroot, then cross-gcc will build | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't atm? | 17:34 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 17:34 | |
| lbt | then look at each of the fails (they seem to be reasonable) | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | why do i have Core:experimental and Core:armv7tnhl:experimental | 17:35 |
| lbt | I wondered that | 17:35 |
| lbt | and went to the one you said | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, cross-template-sysroot you don't have to worry about getting to build, but you might have to get cross-armv7tnhl-glibc* in there | 17:37 |
| lbt | experimental | 17:37 |
| lbt | ignore that paste mistake :) | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah, right | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | baselibs aren't functioning for https://build.ci.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=cross-glibc-inject&project=Core%3Aarmv7tnhl%3Aexperimental&repository=Core_armv7hl | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | so check out what goeso n there too | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | it might be that PublishFilter need adjusting as well | 17:39 |
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| * lbt tries to sound like he's following :/ | 17:41 | |
| Stskeeps | start at build failures on arm side :P | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | and then i can guide a little better | 17:42 |
| lbt | so we're not worried about cross-gcc ? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | that's less of a problem | 17:42 |
| lbt | is it running non-sb2 atm ? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's sb2 | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | but for most part, CFLAGS is set right | 17:43 |
| lbt | what compiler is it using ? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | probably the cross-armv7hl one | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | with -mthumb -mfpu=neon flag added on | 17:44 |
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| lbt | I'll start a local build of device mapper to populate the cache and put some food on whilst it downloads | 17:46 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 17:54 |
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| CosmoHill | eep | 18:01 |
| CosmoHill | (hi / woof btw) | 18:01 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about-goobuntu-googles-in-house-desktop-ubuntu-linux-7000003462/ | 20:26 |
| faenil | Bushnell was asked why Ubuntu instead of say Fedora or openSUSE? He replied, “We chose Debian because packages and apt [Debian's basic software package programs] are light-years ahead of RPM (Red Had and SUSE's default package management system.]” | 20:26 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: ping | 20:48 |
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| lbt | Sage: ping | 21:09 |
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| lbt | faenil: rpm is a bag of junk - you'll get no argument from me :) | 21:14 |
| faenil | lbt, :D | 21:14 |
| faenil | lbt, is that sarcasm or are you talking seriously? :P | 21:14 |
| lbt | I'm serious - it's crap | 21:14 |
| faenil | ok, just wanted to be sure :) | 21:15 |
| lbt | but we're not changing :) | 21:15 |
| faenil | pity Stskeeps isn't here :D | 21:15 |
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| lbt | there's plenty of crap in debian/ too | 21:15 |
| lbt | debhelper, cdbs, etc etc | 21:16 |
| lbt | but at least they're documented and work in sane-ish ways | 21:16 |
| lbt | anyhow... | 21:16 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps: even better, qt5.git/[beta1-module] have gained "v5.0.0-beta1" tag :) | 21:25 |
| Bostik | ...and this of course the first day I'm out... | 21:25 |
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| faenil | lbt, :) | 21:28 |
| faenil | Bostik, yeah I've seen they've made a bit of mess | 21:28 |
| Bostik | now all we need is a working compiler in Mer:core and this baby would be available next week | 21:29 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 22:05 |
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