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| iekku | morning | 05:45 |
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| dm8tbr | moaning | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | morn dm8tbr | 06:48 |
| * lpotter is kids partied out | 06:49 | |
| dm8tbr | lo Stskeeps | 06:53 |
| * dm8tbr is in Poznań | 06:54 | |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: ah, lovely - hope the weather isn't as crap here as the past | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | wow, i need coffee | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: ah, lovely - hope the weather isn't as crap there as here ;) | 06:54 |
| dm8tbr | it's been crap since yesterday all over poland | 06:54 |
| dm8tbr | Wrocław was rainy yesterday too | 06:54 |
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| * lpotter ponders whether 'freefall' should be a sensor or sensor gesture | 07:03 | |
| * lpotter should look at sensorfw again | 07:05 | |
| Stskeeps | if there's improvements or rewrites needed for sensorfw, i'm all for it, too | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | not a holy grail :) | 07:06 |
| lpotter | well, I'm not the only one in the QSensors team that thought sensorfw was a bit obtuse | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of porting it does make life easier as you can easily adjust to different devices | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | so that needs to be kept in mind still | 07:07 |
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| lpotter | of course | 07:17 |
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| lpotter | that said, there are advantages for using sensorfw too | 07:21 |
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| Stskeeps | compared to what tizen has, sensorfw is heaven | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:35 |
| lpotter | i never paid attention to tizen | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | think glib based system that isn't glib or c++ but instead homemade c object systems .. | 07:38 |
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| lpotter | eww | 07:41 |
| lpotter | unless its objective-c | 07:41 |
| lpotter | but actually that sucks without apple extensions | 07:41 |
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| Stskeeps | morn phaeron :) | 07:42 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: http://qtl.merproject.org/427e18ae-f3dd-11e1-9045-00163e6e0038.txt | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | search for error: | 08:27 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: morning | 08:58 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps: ah daman, didn't know that mobility depends on that, some more work needs to be done, also I've already some patches for accounts integration, but I'm afraid will not have time for that before my trip, so much stuff to that care of :) | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: :nod: just reporting what the build checks say :) | 09:00 |
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| Stskeeps | i was surprised to see qt mobility depping on qmf too | 09:01 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps: yeah, I just build the package alone :) so didnt detect that, some apis changes since that version in mer, is related to sync and asycn apis | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:01 |
| VDVsx | gtg, will check that more careful later | 09:02 |
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| VDVsx | about mobility depending on qmf should be only that version in meego, some kind of apis for 3rd parties use, I've never seen that code in action, but should be rather simple anyway :) | 09:06 |
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| situ | Multiple windows can take lots of space, how do you handle it ? | 09:38 |
| situ | Sorry wrong window | 09:38 |
| w00t | marquiz: do you still have any memories about sensorfw, or have you suppressed all that? | 09:41 |
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| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 10:09 |
| lbt | :) ... morning | 10:10 |
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| lbt | bloody hell ..... git signs it's patches with the git version that produces them :/ | 13:10 |
| w00t | lbt: you'd never noticed that before? | 13:11 |
| lbt | no | 13:11 |
| * w00t got called out as an OS X lover a while ago thanks to that :-p | 13:11 | |
| lbt | minor annoyance I guess | 13:12 |
| lbt | not OS X - that's major evil :P | 13:12 |
| * CosmoHill cackles | 13:14 | |
| w00t | lbt: pfft | 13:14 |
| w00t | :P | 13:14 |
| CosmoHill | w00t: intel or ppc? | 13:14 |
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| lbt | so Stskeeps, not being able to push rpm back to that branch is a tad annoying | 13:14 |
| w00t | CosmoHill: does anyone still use PPC? | 13:15 |
| w00t | (I certainly don't) | 13:15 |
| CosmoHill | hi .o/ | 13:15 |
| CosmoHill | Darwin trigger.local 9.8.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.8.0: Wed Jul 15 16:57:01 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.15.4~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i thought we decided we'd first use git-pkg for tools and validate it there? | 13:15 |
| * w00t is mildly surprised | 13:16 | |
| CosmoHill | w00t: got a watercooled G5 to fix :( | 13:16 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: we did... ? | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: AFAIK | 13:16 |
| lbt | as in "yes. we did" ... what are you asking for? | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well, just wondering if that's the source of the issue you meant above | 13:16 |
| lbt | no | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | okay, then elaborate | 13:17 |
| lbt | as yesterday osc ci gives 404 to the linked 'experimental' project | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:17 |
| lbt | which is fine for local builds | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | send a SR to the project | 13:17 |
| lbt | but for perl-html I need it to pickup the rpm | 13:17 |
| lbt | OK | 13:17 |
| lbt | yeah - thought so | 13:19 |
| lbt | that branches from Core:armv7hl | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:19 |
| lbt | and I wanted to just hack in experimental to veryify the fix | 13:19 |
| lbt | then gerrit them when it works | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | right | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | just SR to the experimental project | 13:19 |
| lbt | ok | 13:19 |
| lbt | I tend to use osc in a more .... blunt.... manner | 13:20 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: SR 17 - can you accept? | 13:25 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: nm - I can accept it if I access it directly | 13:27 |
| * lbt waits for CI to do a complete rebuild :) | 13:29 | |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: manual local builds confirm that the rpm fix fixes all the perl-* thumb issues | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | OK | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | good | 14:02 |
| lbt | qtwebkit now | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | morn crevetor | 15:08 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: the good news is that quickbuild works for QtWebKit ... the bad news is I can't figure out http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/89874 | 15:57 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: /me looks | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: looks pretty straightforward? WebCore dir should be in qtwebkit tarball | 16:56 |
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| crevetor | loving the new logo :) | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | which one? | 17:14 |
| crevetor | http://t.co/cAWYrpu8 | 17:14 |
| crevetor | the proposal I guess | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's quite nice | 17:14 |
| crevetor | oops nemo's new logo ;) | 17:14 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: just captured my first raw image using FCam :) | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: \o/ | 17:15 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: indeed | 17:17 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: interesting to see what comes directly out of the sensor | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | and when you can adjust the autofocus too/lens/flash etc | 17:20 |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: was this on n900 or n950? | 17:22 |
| crevetor | N950 | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | oh interesting | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | is it with fcam apis or? | 17:24 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: I'm using fcam's example1 with the fcam API | 17:24 |
| crevetor | and a modified N900 driver | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | useful | 17:25 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: for now the driver is pretty similar to the N900, all the configuration of the pipeline, etc is done through media-ctl and yavta | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:25 |
| crevetor | Next thing is to have the driver build the correct pipeline WRT to what fcam wants (RAW or YUV) | 17:26 |
| crevetor | and hook all the ctrls to the right thing (exposure ctrl on the sensor node, etc) | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | as long as you're having fun :) | 17:27 |
| crevetor | but it's a nice first step :) | 17:27 |
| crevetor | I am | 17:27 |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: out of curiousity, how does the first raw frame look? | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | if you have it converted to jpg/png | 17:57 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: Let me just convert it. It's not actually the first but the latest I took | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:12 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: http://imgur.com/VxxAC | 18:15 |
| crevetor | actually http://i.imgur.com/VxxAC.jpg | 18:15 |
| crevetor | The "blue" walls are actually red | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 18:16 |
| crevetor | I had to change the exposure time to actually see something, too bright outside | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | i recall when i first saw camera working on n900 hw adaptation, it was almost shocking | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | hadn't imagined we'd get there with a open source stack at the time | 18:17 |
| crevetor | Yeah I always find it fascinating. It was the same for me the first time I was able to get an image on the N900 running nitdroid | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | or the first time we had a successful call, heh | 18:18 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: that too :) That's what I love about hw adaptation : seeing the HW work. The more I get into it the more I'd love to see the whole process from working with protoypes to the actual product. Because here it's easy : you know the hardware works since it's a prod build but finding a HW bug while writing the SW must be even more gratifying (and painfull) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, like, oops, i just overclocked and burnt out a 200k EUR proto. | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:21 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: sounds like experience talking ;) | 18:22 |
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| crevetor | nsuffys: nordnet ? It still exists ? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: i think i've mostly avoided destroying stuff | 18:22 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: well if they retain the 200k on your salary it's better you didn't burn anything ;) | 18:23 |
| nsuffys | hello crevetor , yes French internet access provider for people who live in the north of France ;) | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: nah, subcontractors just get fired and sent a bill | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:24 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: heh | 18:24 |
| crevetor | nsuffys: I know, that's where I used to live | 18:24 |
| crevetor | nsuffys: I'm surprised it still exists though | 18:25 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: do you know Laurent Pinchard personnally ? | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: i've met him on a couple of occasions | 18:26 |
| nsuffys | crevetor, Nordnet is much used among professionals | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: good guy | 18:26 |
| nsuffys | I'm technician for Orange... Oups :D | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | nsuffys: i'd like to arrange a country wide lockout of lumia phones.. | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:27 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: what, you want to ban all 3 of them? | 18:27 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: let apple take care of that ;) | 18:28 |
| crevetor | nsuffys: where do you live ? | 18:28 |
| nsuffys | crevetor, Lambersart, near Lille | 18:29 |
| crevetor | nsuffys: :) cool I used to live in Lille. Do you know Guillaume Libersart by any chance ? | 18:30 |
| nsuffys | and I speak very poor English :/ | 18:30 |
| nsuffys | hmm no | 18:30 |
| crevetor | nsuffys: do you Capensis by any chance ? | 18:33 |
| arcean | <crevetor> The "blue" walls are actually red | 18:33 |
| arcean | crevetor, N950 has the same problem in Harmattan | 18:33 |
| crevetor | arcean: I've never seen red becoming blue on harmattan | 18:33 |
| arcean | crevetor, while using FCam-app? | 18:34 |
| crevetor | arcean: oh no using regular camera | 18:34 |
| arcean | like e.g. rawcam | 18:34 |
| crevetor | arcean: never tried that. Is it the same with the N9 ? | 18:35 |
| arcean | no :D | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | remember n950 camera is actually different than n9 | 18:36 |
| nsuffys | crevetor, I did not know Capensis. I am currently discovering. Interesting ! | 18:36 |
| crevetor | I had never heard of rawcam, looking at the source | 18:36 |
| crevetor | nsuffys: I used to work there | 18:36 |
| arcean | crevetor, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85512 | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | while we're discussing FCam, do we know who did BlessN900 for example? | 18:37 |
| crevetor | where does this N9 fcam thing live ? | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: n9 fcam is closed source but part of pr1.2 | 18:40 |
| crevetor | oh, didn't know | 18:42 |
| crevetor | oh well then I guess we have to make an open source version ;) | 18:43 |
| crevetor | but first, lunch | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:44 |
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| lpotter | usb network to my n900 keeps loosing its ip address :( | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter: networkmanager? | 19:18 |
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| * lpotter looks at what ubuntu 12.04 uses | 19:19 | |
| Stskeeps | prolly NM | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | you can ask it to not touch usb0 AFAIK | 19:20 |
| w00t | networkmanager, yes | 19:20 |
| lpotter | yes it is | 19:20 |
| w00t | and yes - you'll need to do that | 19:20 |
| w00t | otherwise it'll keep trying to stupidly autoconfigure it god knows how and trample all over it | 19:20 |
| faenil | lpotter, just assign a static ip to it, and the problem is fixed ;) | 19:25 |
| lpotter | ahh yes. it's all slowly coing back to me | 19:28 |
| lpotter | coming, that is | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | good to be back in the trenches of mobile linux system development? ;) | 19:29 |
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| w00t | lpotter: run while you still can ;p | 19:30 |
| w00t | lpotter: oh btw, i'm interested to talk sensorfw if you've some time now | 19:30 |
| faenil | lpotter, used static ip? | 19:30 |
| lpotter | ok, but I was hoping to dig into that code first a bit | 19:30 |
| lpotter | faenil: /etc/interfaces is my friend | 19:31 |
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| faenil | lpotter, eh :) | 19:31 |
| w00t | lpotter: on a more high level for now - in mer, we obviously need some kind of an abstraction, as sensors are rather hardware-specific - so, a part of hardware adaptation (which is layered differently as you might know).. and some sensor types/etc may require talking to closed libraries | 19:32 |
| w00t | you mentioned that you felt that sensorfw in particular was a bit out of place, so I was wondering how you'd do it differently, with that constraint in mind | 19:32 |
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| w00t | as the architecture seems reasonable to me I think | 19:32 |
| lpotter | my issue with sensorfw is that it too complicated for me :) | 19:35 |
| w00t | ok, so not an architectural problem, but an implementation one? | 19:36 |
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| lpotter | mostly. a simple deamon w/ hardware plugin would be good too. | 19:39 |
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| w00t | that's what sensord (in sensorfw) is supposed to be, I think | 19:40 |
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| lpotter | for the most part it is. it's just hard to follow things | 19:46 |
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| lpotter | think I changed my mind about sensorfw | 20:31 |
| lpotter | still hard to follow... but it does do some nice stuff | 20:32 |
| w00t | yesss | 20:32 |
| w00t | lpotter: do you think you could devote some time to doing some general documentation on how it operates? what a chain is, an adaptor, a sensor, etc? stuff it seems to lack atm - and is very useful when trying to debug/understand it | 20:33 |
| lpotter | the documentation is in the header filesin an un-Qt like, but maemo way | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | Ronksu and marquiz here has been related to it at least, though no longer with nokia if there's any questions, i'm fairly sure they'd be happy to answer :P | 20:46 |
| lpotter | ok.good to know | 20:47 |
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| * w00t looks | 20:55 | |
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| pq | Ronksu, ?? :-O Damn, what an odd place to bump into you :-D | 20:56 |
| w00t | mm | 20:56 |
| w00t | it helps a little, but not much | 20:56 |
| w00t | as in, it's informative, but a little too low-level | 20:59 |
| lpotter | I cna try and put a higher level doc together | 21:02 |
| w00t | it'd be helpful if we're going to hack around with it, eys | 21:03 |
| w00t | *yes | 21:03 |
| lbt | RaYmAn: ping | 21:06 |
| RaYmAn | lbt: pong! | 21:07 |
| lbt | hey there, phost5 is not well | 21:07 |
| lbt | Could you do a reset on it? | 21:07 |
| RaYmAn | eh? | 21:07 |
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| lbt | oh, thought you managed stefan's servers | 21:08 |
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| RaYmAn | nope :) I just have a server on hetzner as well, so I probably joined some random convos relating to them | 21:09 |
| lbt | ah, sry :) | 21:09 |
| RaYmAn | I think I've been idling here long enough to become part of the furniture ;) | 21:10 |
| lbt | nah, he has the username RayMan :) | 21:10 |
| RaYmAn | ah | 21:11 |
| lbt | I thought maybe I was losing it :) | 21:11 |
| lbt | well, hmm | 21:11 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: repo is down | 21:11 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: any known cause? | 21:27 |
| lbt | couldn't tell - something kvm-ish | 21:28 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/4647730 | 21:28 |
| lbt | (echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger ;sleep 10;echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger ;sleep 10;echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger ;) failed too :( | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok, restart it? | 21:29 |
| lbt | it's Stefan's | 21:29 |
| lbt | sent a mail to rayman | 21:30 |
| lbt | also asked for an account to reset it | 21:30 |
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| lbt | but I'll migrate repo off there when we get it back | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | repo's on phost5? | 21:30 |
| lbt | yes | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | for ci? | 21:31 |
| lbt | yes | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | okay, i guess it sounded like a good idea originally | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:31 |
| lbt | yep - because we wanted to build images against repo | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | i presume fe still exports a repo or? | 21:31 |
| lbt | well be still has it as the master | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | as long as we can republish i'm fine | 21:32 |
| lbt | we can | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:33 |
| lbt | hmm - CI was blocked for ages - I suspect some partial connectivity was causing it to not fail and continue | 21:33 |
| lbt | it's continuing now | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | CI was the 503 issue | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | and it asks for 'published' repo | 21:34 |
| lbt | my experimental | 21:34 |
| lbt | I meant | 21:34 |
| lbt | but yeah - that's a pain | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:34 |
| lbt | do you recall RayMan's nick on freenode? | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | foobar1 | 21:35 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd really like if i could have some degree of ability to have repos 'published' | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | i don't care if they're on repo.* or not | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | just simply because the CI checks can run over weekend | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | as they wait for the repos to publish | 21:40 |
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| lbt | http://repo.merproject.org/ | 21:54 |
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| Sage | about the unit files, Check %{_unitdir} or %{unitdir} from systemd in /etc/rpm/macros something. We should move to use that | 22:29 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: noted as you used %{_libdir}/systemd/user/ instead of /%{_lib}/systemd/user/ | 22:29 |
| Sage | because of the future /usr move we should start taking that into consideration in all of our patches. | 22:31 |
| Sage | Not sure thouh if the %{unitdir} macro was ../systemd/system/ if it was then maybe we should do %{unitdir_user} or similar for that | 22:32 |
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