Saturday, 2012-09-01

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Stskeepsmorn dm8tbr06:48
* lpotter is kids partied out06:49
dm8tbrlo Stskeeps06:53
* dm8tbr is in Poznań06:54
Stskeepsdm8tbr: ah, lovely - hope the weather isn't as crap here as the past06:54
Stskeepswow, i need coffee06:54
Stskeepsdm8tbr: ah, lovely - hope the weather isn't as crap there as here ;)06:54
dm8tbrit's been crap since yesterday all over poland06:54
dm8tbrWrocław was rainy yesterday too06:54
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* lpotter ponders whether 'freefall' should be a sensor or sensor gesture07:03
* lpotter should look at sensorfw again07:05
Stskeepsif there's improvements or rewrites needed for sensorfw, i'm all for it, too07:05
Stskeepsnot a holy grail :)07:06
lpotterwell, I'm not the only one in the QSensors team that thought sensorfw was a bit obtuse07:06
Stskeepsin terms of porting it does make life easier as you can easily adjust to different devices07:07
Stskeepsso that needs to be kept in mind still07:07
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lpotterof course07:17
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lpotterthat said, there are advantages for using sensorfw too07:21
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Stskeepscompared to what tizen has, sensorfw is heaven07:35
lpotteri never paid attention to tizen07:36
Stskeepsthink glib based system that isn't glib or c++ but instead homemade c object systems ..07:38
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lpotterunless its objective-c07:41
lpotterbut actually that sucks without apple extensions07:41
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Stskeepsmorn phaeron :)07:42
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Stskeepssearch for error:08:27
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phaeronStskeeps: morning08:58
VDVsxStskeeps: ah daman, didn't know that mobility depends on that, some more work needs to be done, also I've already some patches for accounts integration, but I'm afraid will not have time for that before my trip, so much stuff to that care of :)08:59
StskeepsVDVsx: :nod: just reporting what the build checks say :)09:00
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Stskeepsi was surprised to see qt mobility depping on qmf too09:01
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VDVsxStskeeps: yeah, I just build the package alone :) so didnt detect that, some apis changes since that version in mer, is related to sync and asycn apis09:01
VDVsxgtg, will check that more careful later09:02
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VDVsxabout mobility depending on qmf should be only that version in meego, some kind of apis for 3rd parties use, I've never seen that code in action, but should be rather simple anyway :)09:06
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situMultiple windows can take lots of space, how do you handle it ?09:38
situSorry wrong window09:38
w00tmarquiz: do you still have any memories about sensorfw, or have you suppressed all that?09:41
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Stskeepsmorn lbt10:09
lbt:) ... morning10:10
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lbtbloody hell ..... git signs it's patches with the git version that produces them :/13:10
w00tlbt: you'd never noticed that before?13:11
* w00t got called out as an OS X lover a while ago thanks to that :-p13:11
lbtminor annoyance I guess13:12
lbtnot OS X - that's major evil :P13:12
* CosmoHill cackles13:14
w00tlbt: pfft13:14
CosmoHillw00t: intel or ppc?13:14
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lbtso Stskeeps, not being able to push rpm back to that branch is a tad annoying13:14
w00tCosmoHill: does anyone still use PPC?13:15
w00t(I certainly don't)13:15
CosmoHillhi .o/13:15
CosmoHillDarwin trigger.local 9.8.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.8.0: Wed Jul 15 16:57:01 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.15.4~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc13:15
Stskeepslbt: i thought we decided we'd first use git-pkg for tools and validate it there?13:15
* w00t is mildly surprised13:16
CosmoHillw00t: got a watercooled G5 to fix :(13:16
lbtStskeeps: we did... ?13:16
Stskeepslbt: AFAIK13:16
lbtas in "yes. we did" ... what are you asking for?13:16
Stskeepslbt: well, just wondering if that's the source of the issue you meant above13:16
Stskeepsokay, then elaborate13:17
lbtas yesterday osc ci gives 404 to the linked 'experimental' project13:17
lbtwhich is fine for local builds13:17
Stskeepssend a SR to the project13:17
lbtbut for perl-html I need it to pickup the rpm13:17
lbtyeah - thought so13:19
lbtthat branches from Core:armv7hl13:19
lbtand I wanted to just hack in experimental to veryify the fix13:19
lbtthen gerrit them when it works13:19
Stskeepsjust SR to the experimental project13:19
lbtI tend to use osc in a more .... blunt.... manner13:20
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lbtStskeeps: SR 17 - can you accept?13:25
lbtStskeeps: nm - I can accept it if I access it directly13:27
* lbt waits for CI to do a complete rebuild :)13:29
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lbtStskeeps: manual local builds confirm that the rpm fix fixes all the perl-* thumb issues14:02
lbtqtwebkit now14:06
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lbtStskeeps: the good news is that quickbuild works for QtWebKit ... the bad news is I can't figure out
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Stskeepslbt: /me looks16:37
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Stskeepslbt: looks pretty straightforward? WebCore dir should be in qtwebkit tarball16:56
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crevetorloving the new logo :)17:14
Stskeepswhich one?17:14
crevetorthe proposal I guess17:14
Stskeepsyeah, it's quite nice17:14
crevetoroops nemo's new logo ;)17:14
crevetorStskeeps: just captured my first raw image using FCam :)17:15
Stskeepscrevetor: \o/17:15
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crevetorStskeeps: indeed17:17
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crevetorStskeeps: interesting to see what comes directly out of the sensor17:20
Stskeepsand when you can adjust the autofocus too/lens/flash etc17:20
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Stskeepscrevetor: was this on n900 or n950?17:22
Stskeepsoh interesting17:24
Stskeepsis it with fcam apis or?17:24
crevetorStskeeps: I'm using fcam's example1 with the fcam API17:24
crevetorand a modified N900 driver17:25
crevetorStskeeps: for now the driver is pretty similar to the N900, all the configuration of the pipeline, etc is done through media-ctl and yavta17:25
crevetorNext thing is to have the driver build the correct pipeline WRT to what fcam wants (RAW or YUV)17:26
crevetorand hook all the ctrls to the right thing (exposure ctrl on the sensor node, etc)17:27
Stskeepsas long as you're having fun :)17:27
crevetorbut it's a nice first step :)17:27
crevetorI am17:27
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Stskeepscrevetor: out of curiousity, how does the first raw frame look?17:57
Stskeepsif you have it converted to jpg/png17:57
crevetorStskeeps: Let me just convert it. It's not actually the first but the latest I took18:12
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crevetorThe "blue" walls are actually red18:16
Stskeepsnot bad18:16
crevetorI had to change the exposure time to actually see something, too bright outside18:16
Stskeepsi recall when i first saw camera working on n900 hw adaptation, it was almost shocking18:17
Stskeepshadn't imagined we'd get there with a open source stack at the time18:17
crevetorYeah I always find it fascinating. It was the same for me the first time I was able to get an image on the N900 running nitdroid18:18
Stskeepsor the first time we had a successful call, heh18:18
crevetorStskeeps: that too :) That's what I love about hw adaptation : seeing the HW work. The more I get into it the more I'd love to see the whole process from working with protoypes to the actual product. Because here it's easy : you know the hardware works since it's a prod build but finding a HW bug while writing the SW must be even more gratifying (and painfull)18:21
Stskeepsyeah, like, oops, i just overclocked and burnt out a 200k EUR proto.18:21
crevetorStskeeps: sounds like experience talking ;)18:22
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crevetornsuffys: nordnet ? It still exists ?18:22
Stskeepscrevetor: i think i've mostly avoided destroying stuff18:22
crevetorStskeeps: well if they retain the 200k on your salary it's better you didn't burn anything ;)18:23
nsuffyshello crevetor , yes French internet access provider for people who live in the north of France ;)18:23
Stskeepscrevetor: nah, subcontractors just get fired and sent a bill18:24
crevetorStskeeps: heh18:24
crevetornsuffys: I know, that's where I used to live18:24
crevetornsuffys: I'm surprised it still exists though18:25
crevetorStskeeps: do you know Laurent Pinchard personnally ?18:25
Stskeepscrevetor: i've met him on a couple of occasions18:26
nsuffyscrevetor, Nordnet is much used among professionals18:26
Stskeepscrevetor: good guy18:26
nsuffysI'm technician for Orange... Oups :D18:26
Stskeepsnsuffys: i'd like to arrange a country wide lockout of lumia phones..18:27
dm8tbrStskeeps: what, you want to ban all 3 of them?18:27
crevetorStskeeps: let apple take care of that ;)18:28
crevetornsuffys: where do you live ?18:28
nsuffyscrevetor, Lambersart, near Lille18:29
crevetornsuffys: :) cool I used to live in Lille. Do you know Guillaume Libersart by any chance ?18:30
nsuffysand I speak very poor English :/18:30
nsuffyshmm no18:30
crevetornsuffys: do you Capensis by any chance ?18:33
arcean<crevetor> The "blue" walls are actually red18:33
arceancrevetor, N950 has the same problem in Harmattan18:33
crevetorarcean: I've never seen red becoming blue on harmattan18:33
arceancrevetor, while using FCam-app?18:34
crevetorarcean: oh no using regular camera18:34
arceanlike e.g. rawcam18:34
crevetorarcean: never tried that. Is it the same with the N9 ?18:35
arceanno :D18:35
Stskeepsremember n950 camera is actually different than n918:36
nsuffyscrevetor, I did not know Capensis. I am currently discovering. Interesting !18:36
crevetorI had never heard of rawcam, looking at the source18:36
crevetornsuffys: I used to work there18:36
Stskeepswhile we're discussing FCam, do we know who did BlessN900 for example?18:37
crevetorwhere does this N9 fcam thing live ?18:39
Stskeepscrevetor: n9 fcam is closed source but part of pr1.218:40
crevetoroh, didn't know18:42
crevetoroh well then I guess we have to make an open source version ;)18:43
crevetorbut first, lunch18:43
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lpotterusb network to my n900 keeps loosing its ip address :(19:18
Stskeepslpotter: networkmanager?19:18
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* lpotter looks at what ubuntu 12.04 uses19:19
Stskeepsprolly NM19:20
Stskeepsyou can ask it to not touch usb0 AFAIK19:20
w00tnetworkmanager, yes19:20
lpotteryes it is19:20
w00tand yes - you'll need to do that19:20
w00totherwise it'll keep trying to stupidly autoconfigure it god knows how and trample all over it19:20
faenillpotter, just assign a static ip to it, and the problem is fixed ;)19:25
lpotterahh yes. it's all slowly coing back to me19:28
lpottercoming, that is19:28
Stskeepsgood to be back in the trenches of mobile linux system development? ;)19:29
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w00tlpotter: run while you still can ;p19:30
w00tlpotter: oh btw, i'm interested to talk sensorfw if you've some time now19:30
faenillpotter, used static ip?19:30
lpotterok, but I was hoping to dig into that code first a bit19:30
lpotterfaenil: /etc/interfaces is my friend19:31
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faenillpotter, eh :)19:31
w00tlpotter: on a more high level for now - in mer, we obviously need some kind of an abstraction, as sensors are rather hardware-specific - so, a part of hardware adaptation (which is layered differently as you might know).. and some sensor types/etc may require talking to closed libraries19:32
w00tyou mentioned that you felt that sensorfw in particular was a bit out of place, so I was wondering how you'd do it differently, with that constraint in mind19:32
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w00tas the architecture seems reasonable to me I think19:32
lpottermy issue with sensorfw is that it too complicated for me :)19:35
w00tok, so not an architectural problem, but an implementation one?19:36
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lpottermostly. a simple deamon w/ hardware plugin would be good too.19:39
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w00tthat's what sensord (in sensorfw) is supposed to be, I think19:40
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lpotterfor the most part it is. it's just hard to follow things19:46
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lpotterthink I changed my mind about sensorfw20:31
lpotterstill hard to follow... but it does do some nice stuff20:32
w00tlpotter: do you think you could devote some time to doing some general documentation on how it operates? what a chain is, an adaptor, a sensor, etc? stuff it seems to lack atm - and is very useful when trying to debug/understand it20:33
lpotterthe documentation is in the header filesin an un-Qt like, but maemo way20:44
StskeepsRonksu and marquiz here has been related to it at least, though no longer with nokia if there's any questions, i'm fairly sure they'd be happy to answer :P20:46
lpotterok.good to know20:47
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* w00t looks20:55
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pqRonksu, ?? :-O Damn, what an odd place to bump into you :-D20:56
w00tit helps a little, but not much20:56
w00tas in, it's informative, but a little too low-level20:59
lpotterI cna try and put a higher level doc together21:02
w00tit'd be helpful if we're going to hack around with it, eys21:03
lbtRaYmAn: ping21:06
RaYmAnlbt: pong!21:07
lbthey there, phost5 is not well21:07
lbtCould you do a reset on it?21:07
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lbtoh, thought you managed stefan's servers21:08
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RaYmAnnope :) I just have a server on hetzner as well, so I probably joined some random convos relating to them21:09
lbtah, sry :)21:09
RaYmAnI think I've been idling here long enough to become part of the furniture ;)21:10
lbtnah, he has the username RayMan :)21:10
lbtI thought maybe I was losing it :)21:11
lbtwell, hmm21:11
lbtStskeeps: repo is down21:11
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Stskeepslbt: any known cause?21:27
lbtcouldn't tell - something kvm-ish21:28
lbt(echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger ;sleep 10;echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger ;sleep 10;echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger ;)                failed too :(21:29
Stskeepsok, restart it?21:29
lbtit's Stefan's21:29
lbtsent a mail to rayman21:30
lbtalso asked for an account to reset it21:30
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lbtbut I'll migrate repo off there when we get it back21:30
Stskeepsrepo's on phost5?21:30
Stskeepsfor ci?21:31
Stskeepsokay, i guess it sounded like a good idea originally21:31
lbtyep - because we wanted to build images against repo21:31
Stskeepsi presume fe still exports a repo or?21:31
lbtwell be still has it as the master21:32
Stskeepsas long as we can republish i'm fine21:32
lbtwe can21:32
lbthmm - CI was blocked for ages - I suspect some partial connectivity was causing it to not fail and continue21:33
lbtit's continuing now21:33
StskeepsCI was the 503 issue21:34
Stskeepsand it asks for 'published' repo21:34
lbtmy experimental21:34
lbtI meant21:34
lbtbut yeah - that's a pain21:34
lbtdo you recall RayMan's nick on freenode?21:35
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Stskeepsi'd really like if i could have some degree of ability to have repos 'published'21:36
Stskeepsi don't care if they're on repo.* or not21:36
Stskeepsjust simply because the CI checks can run over weekend21:37
Stskeepsas they wait for the repos to publish21:40
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Sageabout the unit files, Check %{_unitdir} or %{unitdir} from systemd in /etc/rpm/macros something. We should move to use that22:29
SageStskeeps: noted as you used %{_libdir}/systemd/user/ instead of /%{_lib}/systemd/user/22:29
Sagebecause of the future /usr move we should start taking that into consideration in all of our patches.22:31
SageNot sure thouh if the %{unitdir} macro was ../systemd/system/ if it was then maybe we should do %{unitdir_user} or similar for that22:32
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