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| Stskeeps | morn :) | 06:31 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: good day today? | 06:45 |
| timoph | and morning | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: meh, woke up with headache | 06:46 |
| timoph | :/ | 06:46 |
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| timoph | hmmh. I need to write myself an application for listening radio streams | 06:48 |
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| situ | Good morning | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | good morning situ | 06:53 |
| situ | :) | 06:54 |
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| Stskeeps | grr, mer boss isn't functioning | 07:11 |
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| Andy80 | 'morning guys! | 07:25 |
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| gtk_is_it | morning! | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | morn gtk_is_it | 07:26 |
| gtk_is_it | this irssi on n900, anyone knows how to shift among chat/channel windows? | 07:27 |
| Bostik | esc - win_num | 07:28 |
| Bostik | ctrl-n [next window]; ctrl-p [previous window] too | 07:29 |
| gtk_is_it | cool | 07:29 |
| gtk_is_it | thanks | 07:29 |
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| sivang | morning all | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 08:31 |
| situ | Stskeeps: Is the build server stable now ? | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | situ: should be | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: something's off with mer boss | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: where does it keep logs? | 08:57 |
| lbt | ok | 08:57 |
| lbt | looking | 08:57 |
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| lbt | in /var/lib/SkyNET/store/*/log/main/current | 08:59 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 08:59 |
| lbt | there's not much logging | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | i executed a bunch of BOSS processes and nil happened, so | 09:00 |
| lbt | let me look after the meeting | 09:03 |
| lbt | I've not moved boss machine but it could be failing to be notified | 09:03 |
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| sivang | sledges: So, recalling our discussion from yesterday, so just Mer and Nemomobile could use a social fb/ g+ presence, as Jolla already has those? | 09:10 |
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| sledges | hi sivang | 09:14 |
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| sledges | yes, fan pages mainly. Should it be two -- for Mer and for Nemo? | 09:16 |
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| sledges | I'd go one step at a time and create "Nemo Mobile" only for now | 09:20 |
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| sivang | sledges: hey sledges , sorry for no greetings but my day started so early it is like evening time for me now :) | 09:26 |
| sivang | sledges: right, this makes sense as NemoMobile is the thing more likely to attract normal and power users. | 09:26 |
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| lbt | hey phaeron :) | 09:33 |
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| phaeron | lbt: hello | 09:45 |
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| lbt | having a nice break I hope | 09:46 |
| phaeron | so far yes | 09:47 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: when is it your holidays are over, out of curiousity? | 09:47 |
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| phaeron | I fly back 9/9 but next week I'll be available more | 09:48 |
| lbt | ^^^ subtle | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: i think we have a deal for steak in helsinki then? | 09:48 |
| phaeron | sure :D | 09:48 |
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| phaeron | anything urgent needs to be done ? | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | a steak, well done | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:52 |
| phaeron | hehe | 09:53 |
| Sage | :P | 09:54 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: sorry for spamming the ML, noted. | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | good, it's very important to keep mer as independent as we go forward, with big contributors in it | 14:31 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: yes yes, I will mail Jukka about this he might know what to do with it | 14:31 |
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| Andy80 | hi again! | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 14:40 |
| faenil | :D | 14:41 |
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| sivang | hey faenil , Andy80 | 14:42 |
| faenil | hey :) | 14:42 |
| sivang | faenil: how's your part of the world this evening? | 14:43 |
| faenil | are you referring to something in particular? :) | 14:44 |
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| sivang | faenil: ah no, thought you said you were in Italy | 14:44 |
| sivang | so was wondering | 14:44 |
| sivang | (it is DEAD hot in here) | 14:44 |
| faenil | It stopped being very hot 3-4 days ago | 14:45 |
| faenil | I stopped frying during the day | 14:45 |
| sledges | sivang, ml written :) (as well as #nemomobile related stuff) | 14:45 |
| faenil | I mean my skin stopped frying :P | 14:45 |
| sivang | sledges: you're a king. | 14:46 |
| sivang | faenil: frying and baking is till on here, people run from AC to another | 14:46 |
| sledges | lol thanks, hope I read your mind enough ;) | 14:46 |
| sivang | faenil: and it hurts the eyes bad | 14:47 |
| faenil | sivang, I feel your pain :D | 14:47 |
| Andy80 | hey sivang :) 16C here :D "winter is coming..." :D | 14:47 |
| faenil | Andy80, aren't you leaving? :D | 14:48 |
| Andy80 | but I'm going back to Italy on friday | 14:48 |
| Andy80 | yes | 14:48 |
| Andy80 | just said | 14:48 |
| faenil | :) | 14:48 |
| sivang | Andy80: Love winter! | 14:49 |
| sivang | Andy80: here== ? | 14:49 |
| faenil | Andy80, perfect weather in Italy atm.. | 14:49 |
| sivang | sledges: bull's eye, thank you very much for this. | 14:49 |
| Andy80 | sivang: here what? | 14:50 |
| faenil | well not perfect, but much better than it was till a week ago | 14:50 |
| Andy80 | I was just wondering.... do you think it would be useful a frontend to flash Nemo images on Nxx ? | 14:51 |
| sivang | Andy80: where's 16c ? ;) | 14:52 |
| sivang | Andy80: people are doing it AFAIK | 14:52 |
| Andy80 | sivang: here <--- Tampere | 14:52 |
| sivang | Andy80: ah! lovely Tampere | 14:52 |
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| sivang | Andy80: I had the best weather at my visit there, during first week of July | 14:53 |
| Andy80 | indeed :) | 14:53 |
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| sledges | awesome, let's see how it kicks off | 14:55 |
| Andy80 | I bit sad to leave now... I did read about many event in september :\ | 14:56 |
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| faenil | Andy80, why don't you stay there a week more? I was thinking about attending the event ;) | 14:58 |
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| Andy80 | faenil: 1) flights already booked, 2) apartment contract ends on 31th, 3) who says I wanna see your bad face :D ?! | 15:06 |
| faenil | Andy80, ahahah I'll remember that when we meet again ;) | 15:06 |
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| sivang | faenil: I'd also like to attend the event, but.. yes, too much traveling in short time. | 15:07 |
| faenil | yeah :/ | 15:07 |
| faenil | and I can't pay much for the accomodation too :/ | 15:08 |
| kdub | Stskeeps, libhybris is very cool :) been helping chickencutlass with it a bit | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | kdub: cool :) | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | kdub: yeah, if we can stabilize it, it could really make a massive change in how things look in mobile space | 15:09 |
| * sivang cheers | 15:09 | |
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| * kdub has it working on my omap4 graphics hardware :) | 15:10 | |
| Stskeeps | something else than samsung nexus? | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | (don't need to say if it's a secret device) | 15:11 |
| kdub | galaxy nexus | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 15:11 |
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| Stskeeps | in truth, we'll end up with a solution where we probably need to recompile bionic with our own patches to break apart non-compatible-with-glibc parts | 15:12 |
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| Stskeeps | or stub out entire bionic from even linking | 15:13 |
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| Andy80 | faenil: why don't we organize some Qt event in Italy instead? We must keep up the trend. Don't let the old Qt developers feel like abandoned | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | there's qt developer days in berlin coming up as well | 15:14 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: yeah, I'm aware about it. I hope to be able to attend! :) | 15:14 |
| Andy80 | I submitted a talk too, but they're so slow to reply... | 15:14 |
| faenil | Yeah I should be able to attend that one too ;) | 15:15 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: already waiting to get approval for my presentation proposals (2, about QtQuick) | 15:15 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: and I'll volunteer in organizing if I can, just as I did for the last Qt Summit | 15:15 |
| sivang | err, that was to general channel | 15:15 |
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| sivang | (easy finger on the tab) | 15:16 |
| sivang | Andy80: what is your talk about? | 15:16 |
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| Andy80 | sivang: SocialConnect library https://projects.developer.nokia.com/socialconnect | 15:16 |
| Andy80 | sivang: it's one of the project I was working on in Nokia. Since it's public and since I've been explicitly allowed to talk about, I decided to pick it. | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: on your way out from nokia, can you please slap whoever thought the license was a good idea? | 15:17 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: on my way out I've a "spicy" email waiting in my outbox guess for who ;) by the way... which license are you talking about exactly? | 15:18 |
| sivang | lol | 15:18 |
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| * sivang wonders why phonegap app did not run in emulator, but forgot HTC was connected to desktop, so app is there :p | 15:19 | |
| sivang | Andy80: ah! Andrea, it is you | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: i'm not really being serious, and don't burn bridges or make enemies :P | 15:19 |
| sivang | Andy80: that night at the club was a bit crazy, could have been better with more practice :p | 15:19 |
| Andy80 | sivang: this means.. go to drink some coffee and come back coding :D | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: https://projects.developer.nokia.com/socialconnect/browser/trunk/Licence.txt | 15:20 |
| sivang | Andy80: we should call Atilla here | 15:20 |
| sivang | Andy80: yes :p | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | very lousy license :P | 15:20 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: yeah... but the temptation to write to the CEO what I think about it's strong :D | 15:20 |
| sledges | Andy80, does Facebook mobile client for Nokia use SocialConnect? | 15:20 |
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| sivang | this is MIT no? | 15:20 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: ^ | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: no, it's like MIT on drugs | 15:20 |
| faenil | xD | 15:21 |
| sivang | bah, and is bad due to the limitations? | 15:21 |
| sivang | (I use pure MIT in my stuff) | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:21 |
| sivang | well people, as long as we're here , anjoying our selves and hanging together, I think the future is bright. | 15:21 |
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| sivang | don't mind licenses and the past. | 15:21 |
| sivang | we create our future :p | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | of course the future is bright, it's a mushroom cloud in the distance | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:22 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: ah that license! Oh... it's neither an OSI approve one :( well... nothing to say about SVN instead :D ? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: svn i can stand | 15:22 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: ++ | 15:22 |
| sivang | ;) | 15:22 |
| Andy80 | sledges: no, as far as I know | 15:22 |
| Andy80 | oh maybe it should be..... /drunk/Licence.txt :D | 15:23 |
| sledges | Andy80, well then I hope SocialConnect is miles better than Fb app (just got its update on n9 - same annoying bugs) | 15:23 |
| faenil | Andy80, did you write SocialConnect during the stage? | 15:23 |
| sivang | oh Jukka responded , he's quick | 15:23 |
| sivang | Andy80: lol | 15:24 |
| sivang | sledges: it sucks, yes, very jerky and cripples Harmattan's multitasking | 15:24 |
| Andy80 | faenil: not all, I improved a bit the Twitter part, I added errors support and wrote the Instagram plugin. | 15:24 |
| sledges | yup, sivang, I feel it's just terribly bad cowboy coding | 15:25 |
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| sivang | so, gotta go home now, I'll take some time to break and then perhaps join again | 15:25 |
| Andy80 | sledges: the library itself would need to be improved more, but I was not allowed to break any compatibility with any existing application (I wonder who is actually using it anyway...) so I could not do much more | 15:26 |
| sledges | cheerio sivang | 15:26 |
| sledges | I see, Andy80. | 15:27 |
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| sivang | thanks for the help sledges :) | 15:29 |
| sivang | bye all. | 15:29 |
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| Andy80 | a similar nickname... or an old friend :) ? calvaris | 15:31 |
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| sledges | have a good evening everyone! | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: around by chance? | 16:50 |
| lbt | yes | 16:50 |
| lbt | release is done, doing mds on both | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: getting_started.. wpapassphrase | 16:51 |
| lbt | yep | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | text string of the password or the kinda hex format one? | 16:51 |
| lbt | text string | 16:51 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 16:52 |
| * Stskeeps wonders wtf it's not working.. | 16:52 | |
| lbt | and those are old (and therefore tested) .ks files | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | the connman autoconfig stuff is on a new .ks | 16:56 |
| lbt | I've not looked at that yet - have redone the .ks file generation locally to use the new kickstarter though | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:57 |
| lbt | ISTR the .ks is very similar | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | well the .ks isn't the problem i think | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | my test .ks just doesn't connectu p to my wifi :) | 16:58 |
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| lbt | kittens have stolen usb cable :/ | 17:00 |
| faenil | lbt, lol | 17:00 |
| faenil | my dog ate some of my chargers years ago...nasty animals :D | 17:01 |
| lbt | ah-ha - under shelf with sock! | 17:01 |
| gandhijee_ | Hi Stskeeps | 17:02 |
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| Stskeeps | evening gandhijee_ | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | how's things? | 17:04 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: nm, i was being retarded | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i don't actually have a SSID called '98' anymore. | 17:07 |
| gandhijee_ | not bad, how bout yourself? | 17:07 |
| gandhijee_ | mind if i send you a PM? | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | sure, go ahead | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | gandhijee_: pretty good.. happy to see my libhybris work (android hw adaptations on mer) be validated on multiple platforms | 17:07 |
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| gandhijee_ | that sounds pretty interesting, and i'm surprised i haven't seen it. | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's pretty boring really | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | but very exciting for people who are into mobile | 17:09 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, what devices have you seen it running on so far? | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: qualcomm, omap4 | 17:10 |
| gandhijee_ | looks like you can use the android GL libs for your mobile OS? | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | gandhijee_: yup, and other things | 17:10 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, great :) | 17:10 |
| faenil | I'm leaving guys, dinner with | 17:10 |
| faenil | dinner out with my gf :) have fun! | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | enjoy | 17:11 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: OK | 17:11 |
| faenil | I will :) bye! | 17:11 |
| lbt | mine just said "Error <creator>: Failed to find group 'Nokia N950 Proprietary Support' : No Group named Nokia N950 Proprietary Support exists" | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we dropped that AFAIK | 17:12 |
| lbt | any other changes? | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | no idea, sage did it | 17:14 |
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| mdfe_ | is a new mer release pushed the last two hours on mer core repos? | 17:18 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe_: mer-enxt, but the new mer release is ongoing ATM | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | as far as i know | 17:20 |
| lbt | mdfe_: mer latest just updated on the releases area and is about to hit cobs | 17:22 |
| mdfe_ | thx | 17:23 |
| mdfe_ | I just wondered why I get glibc updates by using zypper up on a fresh image | 17:24 |
| lbt | mdfe_: are you aware of http://www.merproject.org/activity | 17:24 |
| mdfe_ | you are talking about pre-releases? | 17:24 |
| mdfe_ | please take a look to the time stamps of http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/armv7l/packages/ | 17:25 |
| lbt | no, I am however eating my dinner and editing the release message at the same time :) | 17:26 |
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| mdfe_ | enjoy your dinner :) | 17:27 |
| lbt | http://www.merproject.org/activity | 17:27 |
| Sage | lbt: yes, dropped that one. | 17:27 |
| lbt | \o/ | 17:27 |
| Sage | lbt: see https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-kickstarter-configs/ | 17:27 |
| Sage | lbt: dropped more stuff as well but I think you are interested mainly about the adaptation, right? | 17:28 |
| Sage | dropped the proprietary group and merged to the other group | 17:28 |
| lbt | Sage: correct - I'll put minimal onto a vendor verification process too | 17:28 |
| lbt | so in future I'll notice I hope | 17:28 |
| lbt | although groups are a bit tricky | 17:28 |
| Sage | lbt: well there are the packages in nemo repos that update when groups are changed | 17:29 |
| Sage | lbt: also you should probably build with nemo-kickstarter-configs content, but for that I would need to publish the kickstarter-configs somewhere in rpm format | 17:29 |
| lbt | I'd still like to split out the HA | 17:30 |
| mdfe_ | nice evening, see ya | 17:31 |
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| Stskeeps | evening ansoni :) | 19:01 |
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| ansoni | hello | 19:01 |
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| ansoni | afternoon here | 19:01 |
| ansoni | Stskeeps is an automated bot or a real person? | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | ansoni: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out | 19:02 |
| beford | automated person | 19:02 |
| ansoni | that is what I figured:-P | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | ansoni, i'm a real person, just pathologically friendly. i'm the project architect here | 19:03 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, could i be mostly harmless? | 19:12 |
| iekku | or can i be, or am i | 19:12 |
| ars_ | ansoni: I bet most of us have the same thought when joining the channel :) | 19:12 |
| ansoni | yea... I haven't been on IRC in awhile but old habits told me not to carry on a conversation with the only op in a channel | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | damnit | 19:14 |
| iekku | hahahahha | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | ars_: when i go on holiday, i could probably just leave a well written shellscript to replace me, nobody would notice | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | ansoni: good catch, no wonder nobody was talking to me ;) | 19:15 |
| ansoni | :-P | 19:15 |
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| ars_ | ansoni: I also did my research before answering :D | 19:16 |
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| ars_ | Stskeeps: you could do that, but we all know you couldn't really stay out ;) | 19:17 |
| ansoni | so... I'm setting up the platform SDK | 19:18 |
| ansoni | is anyone working on automating these tasks? | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | well, platform sdk is pretty straightforward | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | untar, mount, enter | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | ars_: you already know me too well :( | 19:22 |
| ars_ | Stskeeps: doesn't take long to learn that :) | 19:23 |
| * lpotter-home blinks and tries to wake up | 19:23 | |
| * Stskeeps passes the coffee pot to lpotter-home | 19:24 | |
| * lpotter-home drinks it all | 19:24 | |
| lpotter-home | weirdest week ever | 19:25 |
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| * Stskeeps prolly won't have time for a weekend this week.. | 19:26 | |
| ansoni | sorry guys... distraction | 19:26 |
| ansoni | yea, the mount/enter stuff was godo | 19:26 |
| * lpotter-home has the longest weekend ever coming up | 19:27 | |
| ansoni | but... then getting into the sb2 stuff is a lot of stuff that requires the wiki | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | ansoni: ah, that does need abstraction/automation yes | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | proposals and code welcome | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter-home: mine ended up lasting 5 months.. in the end it drove me crazy to do nothing, so made oss into my work | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | and worked at it like i would do a work | 19:28 |
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| lpotter-home | oh ya. I have more than enough things to do to keep me busy | 19:29 |
| iekku | lpotter-home, good morning | 19:29 |
| lpotter-home | morning | 19:29 |
| ansoni | cool, next question... any thoughts on moving away from scratchbox to something like virtual box? | 19:29 |
| Kypeli_ | lpotter-home: Jolla already hired all of you? | 19:29 |
| lpotter-home | Kypeli_: ha! I wish | 19:30 |
| Kypeli_ | Damn :( | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | ansoni: we have entire mer in virtualbox for a virtual 'device', but for cross compilation, sb2 is the way to go | 19:30 |
| iekku | uh, planned to go early to bed and sleep at least 6h | 19:30 |
| lpotter-home | ya a lot of talent being wasted. | 19:30 |
| iekku | good night people | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | nite iekku | 19:31 |
| lpotter-home | night | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | Kypeli_: things sometime go a bit slow but generally if people haven't heard anything negative from us, it means we still have them on radar | 19:32 |
| Kypeli_ | Stskeeps: Of course :) | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | it's not every day we have 3 nokia sites full of mobile linux talent shutting down.. | 19:33 |
| lpotter-home | looks like I'll get to keep the macbookpro from work. :) | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter-home: and dont forget the n900 ;) | 19:33 |
| lpotter-home | and N9, and all the other old devices I got as well :) | 19:34 |
| ansoni | lpotter: I'm still employed and telling:-P j/k | 19:34 |
| ansoni | j/k about the telling part | 19:34 |
| lpotter-home | its known :) | 19:34 |
| lpotter-home | all old lappies being wiped last night | 19:35 |
| ansoni | good call. that laptop would just sit in some warehouse | 19:35 |
| ansoni | Stskeeps: Are you guys not heavily integrated with Qt Creator at this point? | 19:35 |
| ansoni | I guess you could say that I was hoping to see some more Qt related stuff in this SDK setup process | 19:35 |
| ansoni | gotta run... I will catch the answer in the logs I guess:-) | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | ansoni: we have a hack .. ish | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | but works nicely | 19:38 |
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| * timoph uses Qt sdk as is and then obs to get binary packages for mer/nemo | 19:41 | |
| Stskeeps | alterego has smth that uses mer platform sdk to do it, too, i think | 19:42 |
| timoph | need to take a peek at some point | 19:43 |
| timoph | as a simpler process would be nice | 19:44 |
| timoph | in other news, I seem to have found the fun in coding again | 19:44 |
| * lpotter-home hopes to get remotivated again soon | 19:45 | |
| timoph | concentrating in writing stuff for myself helped | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | random question, does RIM use qt mobility? | 19:45 |
| lpotter-home | yes | 19:45 |
| lpotter-home | a fork | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i wasn't sure of that | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | another good question is how a common qt/qml app story could look across vendors | 19:46 |
| timoph | I'd like that | 19:47 |
| lpotter-home | rim/cascades is all components | 19:47 |
| timoph | dunno if that's ever going to happen but still | 19:47 |
| alterego | timoph: yeah, still WIP but currently can use qt creator to build, deploy and execute on target. | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | thats the thing nokia really didn't do well in establishing | 19:47 |
| timoph | alterego: cool | 19:47 |
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| timoph | alterego: do you have any docs, etc. for it somewhere? | 19:48 |
| lpotter-home | a standard components import would be nice. | 19:49 |
| lpotter-home | its been a controversy internally | 19:49 |
| lpotter-home | just like qml itself | 19:50 |
| Kypeli_ | How MeeGo and Symbian differ on Component level is just ridiculous. | 19:50 |
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| lpotter-home | indeed | 19:51 |
| timoph | yep. common api would have been nice | 19:51 |
| Kypeli_ | and wouldn't been hard to achieve. The differences are mostly on the level of "we don't have time to align API call names". | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | how different is cascades api? | 19:52 |
| lpotter-home | yes, it was a resourcing issue | 19:52 |
| Kypeli_ | lpotter-home: To me it shows that nobody actually cared (or had time.. which is also sad) to look at the big picture. | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | heh, reminds me of 'oh but rpm vs deb isn't going to be an issue for app developers' | 19:53 |
| Kypeli_ | Lol | 19:53 |
| lpotter-home | it was a time thing. | 19:54 |
| timoph | :D | 19:54 |
| * Stskeeps told them it'd be a problem but nobody listened.. | 19:54 | |
| Kypeli_ | lpotter-home: Really surprised that there wasn't a "great architect" to look after all QML Component development (or even someone to align what different "silos" are doing). | 19:54 |
| Kypeli_ | lpotter-home: But I am not surprised :) | 19:54 |
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| lpotter-home | components were being developed elsewhere than Brisbane | 19:55 |
| Kypeli_ | Yeah sure, I don't blame Brisbane at all for Symbian and MeeGo things :) | 19:55 |
| lpotter-home | but they were proprietary | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | and lets not get started on dui vs orbit.. | 19:56 |
| Kypeli_ | :D | 19:56 |
| timoph | :) | 19:56 |
| lpotter-home | indeed | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | at least qml came out on top there | 19:56 |
| Kypeli_ | Saved a lot | 19:56 |
| lpotter-home | you know the qml/declarative project got shutdown 3 times in its history? | 19:57 |
| Kypeli_ | no... | 19:57 |
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| * Stskeeps at least hopes to foster a good atmosphere for both product and research in jolla.. | 19:58 | |
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| lpotter-home | ya, both qt creator and declarative were started as creative friday/research projects | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | and if we can move as much as possible of research to public/open source development metholodogy.. then that really speeds things up | 20:00 |
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| Kypeli_ | Interesting. | 20:00 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: I really hope that will be the case | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: it kinda already is | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | which is a good sign | 20:01 |
| timoph | yep | 20:01 |
| * lpotter-home still plans on doing his nokia PDP research | 20:03 | |
| lpotter-home | Stskeeps: https://developer.blackberry.com/cascades/reference/ | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | pdp? | 20:04 |
| lpotter-home | personal development plan | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:04 |
| lpotter-home | only have 1 of 3 left to do | 20:05 |
| lpotter-home | but something keeps getting int he way | 20:05 |
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| Andy80 | Stskeeps: +1 for esearching time! :) Try to organize something like Google20, I'm sure you will benefit from it. | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://dilbert.com/fast/2012-08-14/ | 20:54 |
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| Andy80 | :D | 20:54 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: don't tell me some people still use gdb :D ? ah... so old! :D | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | gdb is excelelnt | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | how else would you debug when your android linker is acting up and you need to find out what instruction pointer the thing crashed in, when you don't have any kind of debugging support for non-glibc libraries | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | (hint, ask the linker's own functions to tell you what .so the instruction pointer is within, then ask it to find the specific function using same info..) | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:56 |
| * Andy80 did mean "aren't putting the device under water to see bubbles?" :D | 20:57 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:57 |
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| * Stskeeps goes crash in be | 21:00 | |
| Stskeeps | d | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | 3 phonecalls tomorrow to 3 different countries, in 3 different timezones, this should be fun | 21:00 |
| CosmoHill | night night | 21:06 |
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| Andy80 | night time! See you tomorrow guys | 21:23 |
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| faenil | seems I'm late :D | 22:24 |
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| librab103 | quick question. How do I remove myself from the mailing list? | 23:42 |
| librab103 | anybody around? | 23:56 |
| beford | hi | 23:56 |
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