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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:08 |
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| Paimen | morning | 07:08 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning amulus | 07:13 |
| amulus | Good morning, even though it seems tobe a bit rainy day in Tampere area... | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | sun and 30 C here in warsaw :) | 07:14 |
| amulus | Lucky you :) | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | amulus: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time | 07:15 |
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| Stskeeps | amulus: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time | 07:35 |
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| Stskeeps | @$% | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P_ | 07:35 |
| dm8tbr | android irc clients. rarely a stable connection. | 07:35 |
| dm8tbr | && good moaning | 07:36 |
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| lbt | /mermorning | 07:59 |
| lbt | that's where the rest of that cd command went | 08:00 |
| lbt | kitten moved the mouse whilst I was typing | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:01 |
| lbt | right, well, I have the RasPi booting mer now | 08:02 |
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| Stskeeps | col | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | +o | 08:02 |
| lbt | next step is to minimal-mer it and get it on to Getting Started | 08:02 |
| lbt | also consolidate how some of the HA are done - currently in CE:HA | 08:03 |
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| lbt | morning phaeron | 08:05 |
| phaeron | morning | 08:05 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5864 :) | 08:06 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: had a good flight to eg? | 08:07 |
| phaeron | yeah it was ok, spent most of yesterday and before sleeping | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | probably a good initiative | 08:10 |
| amjad_ | ping Xfade? | 08:12 |
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| t-lo | Morning, guys. | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | good morning t-lo | 08:13 |
| lbt | hey t-lo | 08:13 |
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| t-lo | Nice, the Mer OBS tutorial (wiki) actually uses systemd in its example. Coincidentally this is the package I'm about to work on. | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | excellent ;) | 08:25 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly what pieces of hw needs to be where in his new apartment. | 08:28 | |
| dm8tbr | t-lo: you mentioned ofono in the context of systemd yesterday? any specific problem? | 08:28 |
| t-lo | Nope, just an inconsistency with ofonos systemd configuration. | 08:29 |
| t-lo | More of a latent problem, really. | 08:29 |
| t-lo | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542 has all the details. | 08:29 |
| dm8tbr | ok, coleague of mine is looking at ofono at large and said that the newer ofono has problems starting at all | 08:30 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: more cat5 than you think you need - it offers control wires as well as ethernet | 08:30 |
| t-lo | dm8tbr: Heh, might be related, might as well not. Does it crash, or is it simply never started. | 08:31 |
| t-lo | ? | 08:31 |
| dm8tbr | I don't know actually. We'll have to ask jpoutiai when he comes into the office on monday. | 08:31 |
| t-lo | @dm8tbr: 'k. Is there a bug in the tracker for this? Maybe I can figure out something. | 08:34 |
| dm8tbr | hmm, don't think so | 08:35 |
| t-lo | 'k. | 08:36 |
| dm8tbr | t-lo: hmmmmm, https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172#c3 | 08:37 |
| t-lo | Yeah, I was working on that one yesterday. | 08:38 |
| t-lo | That's how I came across the systemd config issues. | 08:38 |
| dm8tbr | ok | 08:38 |
| t-lo | Basically #172 from the Nemo tracker blew up into #542 and #543 in the Mer tracker. See the last comments in #172 for details. | 08:39 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: you bored? want to add some bug link to merbot? Where is merbot? | 08:40 |
| dm8tbr | MerBot`: botsnack | 08:41 |
| MerBot` | dm8tbr: Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command. | 08:41 |
| dm8tbr | meh | 08:41 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: yeah, just need to figure out how to do multiple trackers on one channel. otherwise I'll have to split to bmo here and bnmo there. | 08:42 |
| dm8tbr | I had this set up for bmo already, but the bz was not there... ;) | 08:42 |
| lbt | #xxx is bmo n#xxx is nbmo | 08:42 |
| lbt | t#xxx just gets you a fortune | 08:43 |
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| dm8tbr | does supy have provisions for multiple trackers on one channel? | 08:44 |
| dm8tbr | I'll check later today | 08:44 |
| lbt | ty | 08:44 |
| dm8tbr | right now having fun with some libvirt madness | 08:44 |
| lbt | *g* ...I'm just about to do the same | 08:45 |
| dm8tbr | on squeeze it doesn't seem to be too good... (thankfully only one machine with squeeze in my universe) | 08:47 |
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| iekku | morning | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah, i'm wondering to start out with fiber.. | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | or at least gbit ready | 08:54 |
| lbt | yep - cat5 really is cat6e now anyhow so gbit is easy - it's also useful for control and sensor connectivity too | 08:56 |
| lbt | fiber sounds OTT for flood wiring | 08:56 |
| lbt | can you open up the walls/ceilings/floors? | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | ish, at least there's nice available tunnels for laying cables within the walls | 08:57 |
| lbt | I ran my video cable in the floor of the room above before we redid carpet | 08:57 |
| lbt | there's a fair bit of analog needed too - eg speaker cables | 08:58 |
| lbt | also it's a lot easier than you may think to dig a channel out of plasterboard, route cables and fill it in seamlessly afterwards | 08:59 |
| t-lo | @lbt: what's cat6e? | 08:59 |
| lbt | t-lo: whatever comes after cat5 cable spec | 09:00 |
| t-lo | So it's cat6 @250MHz? | 09:00 |
| lbt | probably - it's been a long time since I really cared ;) | 09:00 |
| t-lo | :) | 09:00 |
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| lbt | my semi-professional datacenter wiring days are *long* gone | 09:01 |
| t-lo | @Stskeeps: cat6a would be the "nerd porn" option; up to 500MHz transmission frequency, 10GB ready :) | 09:01 |
| * dm8tbr suspects lbt meant cat5e | 09:02 | |
| lbt | dm8tbr: *mumble* | 09:02 |
| lbt | http://www.binbert.com/blog/2010/05/differences-between-cat5-cat5e-cat6-and-cat6e-cables/ | 09:02 |
| t-lo | @Stskeeps: you don't really need fiber to be really, really fast anymore. | 09:02 |
| dm8tbr | yay, I somehow beat libvirt into submission | 09:02 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: it's marketing .... *someone* uses the term :) | 09:03 |
| lbt | I'm safe just BS'ing | 09:03 |
| * dm8tbr also needs to figure out how to route some gbit from the study to the living room for general purpose | 09:03 | |
| t-lo | @lbt: almost right, just that 6e really is 6a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_6_cable | 09:03 |
| lbt | t-lo: *g* | 09:04 |
| dm8tbr | phone was easy, I managed to abuse one of the left-over wires that is routed across the flat. | 09:04 |
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| t-lo | @lbt: :) | 09:04 |
| dm8tbr | hooked it up to the ATA in the study | 09:05 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: electric drill and a nice long bit | 09:05 |
| lbt | I've become very blase at just making holes when walls get in the way | 09:05 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: I actually have both yes... | 09:05 |
| t-lo | @dm8tbr: phone lines? What, no VOIP? | 09:05 |
| dm8tbr | 40cm drill. needed it at my parents house for the ceilings (30cm concrete+stuff) | 09:06 |
| dm8tbr | t-lo: there's a SIP-ATA in the study as I said. I need local POTS to connect e.g. the polycom I found in the dumpster. | 09:06 |
| dm8tbr | most of my personal voip is handled by my N950 anyway | 09:07 |
| * lbt has a host called spookybox ... some kind of pots/IP sip thingy | 09:07 | |
| t-lo | @dm8tbr: oh, cool! | 09:07 |
| dm8tbr | they don't throw away the IP based polycom bridges just yet it seems ;) | 09:08 |
| dm8tbr | else I'd have raped the lines and put 100M on them instead | 09:08 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: keep an eye out for an 8 port kvm | 09:08 |
| * Stskeeps ponders going for a SIP-like solution.. | 09:09 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: no question | 09:09 |
| dm8tbr | I think I recently found one but tossed it. who needs kvm anyway... there's IPMI and stuff | 09:09 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: not at home | 09:09 |
| dm8tbr | I'll try to remember the next time I go 'diving' | 09:09 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: btw, I'm using tinc to do a fully meshed virtual switch for Mer infra... just FYI | 09:10 |
| dm8tbr | I read that, yes | 09:11 |
| lbt | it's nice | 09:11 |
| dm8tbr | I also run tinc on one of my boxes, but not doing much with it | 09:11 |
| dm8tbr | my next topic of interest infra wise is: http://openvswitch.org/ | 09:11 |
| lbt | I looked at it | 09:11 |
| lbt | tinc is super-trivial to setup and self manages the mesh | 09:12 |
| lbt | single binary and mature | 09:12 |
| lbt | hence... | 09:12 |
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| dm8tbr | sure | 09:12 |
| dm8tbr | my friend does far more advanced stuff with vlans and tagging etc. he loves openvswitch | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: any good ideas for n900/n9 compatible sip boxes for plugging into a phoneline? | 09:16 |
| lbt | sadly I use asterisk | 09:16 |
| lbt | and it's not fun | 09:17 |
| lbt | other HW solutions don't let you do interesing things with the landline->SIP redirection | 09:18 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt / Stskeeps: fritzbox, especially with freetz firmware allows you to do all sorts of fun stuff | 09:22 |
| dm8tbr | ootb it allows also POTS/ISDN <-> SIP bridging | 09:23 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: can you try to login to phost4 as root from your machine | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: have to go to a child baptisement | 09:26 |
| lbt | ok - l8r... I appear to have lost access :/ | 09:26 |
| lbt | prolly screwed ssh config | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://pastie.org/4549296 | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | phost4 is yours or mine? | 09:27 |
| lbt | oops... rescue looking likely ... yours | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | i'll kick it | 09:28 |
| lbt | OK - nothing on it | 09:28 |
| t-lo | Hmmm, review.merproject.org does not like my ssh rsa key :/ | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | t-lo: remembered to set username in gerrit? | 09:29 |
| t-lo | @Stskeeps: O.o ! | 09:30 |
| t-lo | Yepp, that solved it :) | 09:30 |
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| jingzhe | Hi, do you know what repository and architecture I should use in obs for N900? | 09:36 |
| jingzhe | can I use armv7el and Mer armv7 hardfp port? | 09:36 |
| jingzhe | I am using web UI in https://build.pub.meego.com/ | 09:40 |
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| amjad_ | ping lbt | 12:48 |
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| lbt | amjad_: pong | 13:26 |
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| kulve | what does "rfkill: WLAN soft blocked" mean..? | 13:28 |
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| lbt | probably the hw WLAN switch is 'off' | 13:30 |
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| kulve | I don't think my gumstix has one.. | 13:35 |
| kulve | without the rfkill kernel module I managed to get the network up manually but now that I have it, all ifconfig commands say "blocked" | 13:36 |
| kulve | Or "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kil" to be precise | 13:36 |
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| vgrade | kulve, try ./test-connman enable wifi | 13:46 |
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| diorahman | still don't understand what is "bionic-based HW adaptation" (If this question is considered to be something that unimportant please ignore it :-) ) | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | diorahman: android HW adaptations | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | gpu drivers made for android | 13:48 |
| kulve | vgrade: I enabled it in /var/lib/connman/settings and I also tried that one. Now it doesn't complain about the rfkill anymore. I'm not sure which one helped | 13:48 |
| kulve | now I just need to figure out how to connect to my wpa network.. :) | 13:48 |
| lbt | kulve: is this bare Mer? | 13:48 |
| kulve | lbt: yes | 13:48 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started | 13:49 |
| kulve | lbt: ? | 13:49 |
| diorahman | Stskeeps: the implication of libhybris is to make #mer available for current android optimized devices? | 13:49 |
| lbt | kulve: the scripts in there setup a wpa on boot | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | diorahman: yes | 13:50 |
| lbt | see https://raw.github.com/lbt/mer-minimal/master/n900/minimal-n900.ks | 13:50 |
| lbt | "Configure Networking" | 13:50 |
| diorahman | Stskeeps: super duper awesome! :-) | 13:50 |
| diorahman | I guess I have to sit down and getting started to do something with mer | 13:52 |
| diorahman | super awesome! hate being living in the country treated as market only :-) -- S40 everywhere, there should be something "cheap" but smarter than those current feature phones | 13:53 |
| kulve | lbt: excellent. Thank you very much :) | 13:53 |
| kulve | I have now wifi working :) | 13:53 |
| lbt | what machine? | 13:53 |
| kulve | gumstix overo | 13:53 |
| kulve | i.e. omap3 based | 13:54 |
| lbt | right - can you please help to extend that page for that device? | 13:54 |
| kulve | here's the project: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Akulve%3Aovero | 13:54 |
| lbt | ideally in the same format | 13:54 |
| lbt | I'm doing raspi at the moment | 13:54 |
| lbt | does gumstix have 3d gfx? | 13:54 |
| kulve | yes but I don't need 3d in my project. I might still add it, if it doesn't take several weeks of cursing this time.. | 13:55 |
| kulve | compositing windows might still be hard to get working.. | 13:55 |
| kulve | hardware accelerated video encoding is the next tricky one for me. That's one reason I can't use raspi for this project | 13:56 |
| lbt | *nod* | 13:56 |
| kulve | why connmand doesn't start automatically in the boot? Is it supposed to be start in a user session..? | 13:58 |
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| kulve | lbt: are there too many pages listing these hw adaptation stuff? Getting started, Adaptation, Community_Workspace.. | 14:01 |
| lbt | yep | 14:02 |
| lbt | Getting started is my project to give to vendors for a handful of devices | 14:03 |
| lbt | really it will be about seeing a minimal Mer UX on a device | 14:04 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 14:10 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: that blog platform i was talking about.. :P | 14:10 |
| lbt | https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll/ | 14:10 |
| lbt | guess what was in my current browser window | 14:11 |
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| t-lo | Hey guys, when I commit -s for Mer, can I use a different e-mail address for signing my changes than I used for registering with review.merproject.org? | 14:38 |
| t-lo | The thing is I used my google mail address for registering with review.merproject.org since it requires OAuth, but I would like to use my primary e-mail address (which doesn't do OAuth) for signing. | 14:39 |
| kulve | lbt: do you know if there are xfce packages for mer? All UXes seems to need 3d acceleration for window composition to be useful. XFCE would be enough for many use cases (not suitable for mobile screens though) | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | t-lo: add in gerrit | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | kulve, there is a lightweight qt env somewhere | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | name escapes me | 14:42 |
| t-lo | @Stskeeps: kthx! | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | kulve, razor-qt | 14:44 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: thx, I'll check it out at some point | 14:54 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: do you want bugmail to irc announcements? with the fairly low volumes most of the time it could be an idea. but we'd need to default subscribe a mailbox of mine to everything. | 15:04 |
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| t-lo | @Stskeeps: what's your gerrit e-mail? I would like to add you to a review. | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | carsten.munk@gmail.com but usually not needed | 15:13 |
| lbt | t-lo: no need | 15:13 |
| t-lo | 'k. | 15:14 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: I think it's a good idea - would like to do it on a supybot in mer infra though | 15:14 |
| t-lo | Stskeeps: well, see, this one produces an error in merrit: | 15:14 |
| t-lo | Application Error | 15:15 |
| t-lo | Carsten Munk <carsten.munk@gmail.com> is not a registered user. | 15:15 |
| t-lo | Looks like you're not a registered user :) | 15:15 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: so that's a no for now then. fine by me. | 15:15 |
| t-lo | Well fortunately it starts to look like adding you to a review is usally not needed :) | 15:15 |
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| dm8tbr | bug #42 | 15:38 |
| Merbot | Bug https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42 task, Low, ---, tuukka.tolvanen, ASSIGNED, libffi-devel has possible bashisms in it's RPM scriptlets | 15:38 |
| dm8tbr | query --install=bno 42 | 15:38 |
| dm8tbr | query --install=bno 23 | 15:39 |
| dm8tbr | Merbot: query --install=bno 42 | 15:39 |
| Merbot | dm8tbr: Bug https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42 task, Low, ---, marko.saukko, VERIFIED FIXED, TwimGo update | 15:39 |
| dm8tbr | ok, so the default here is # is for BMO. on #nemomobile the default is BNO. you can explicitly query with the awkward syntax above. | 15:40 |
| lbt | n? | 15:41 |
| lbt | no n#42 | 15:41 |
| lbt | or #42 | 15:41 |
| lbt | bug #42 | 15:41 |
| lbt | OK, be like that :( | 15:41 |
| dm8tbr | I'd need to hack the python for n#23 matching | 15:42 |
| dm8tbr | at least that's my current understanding | 15:42 |
| lbt | OK | 15:42 |
| lbt | it seemed to ignore me | 15:42 |
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| lbt | or maybe | 15:42 |
| lbt | or maybe it needs #155 | 15:42 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: it has a 300s timeout for repeats | 15:42 |
| lbt | nope - not anti-repeat | 15:42 |
| dm8tbr | bug #155 | 15:42 |
| Merbot | Bug https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155 normal, Undecided, ---, david, RESOLVED FIXED, Enable image uploads | 15:42 |
| lbt | "bug" | 15:42 |
| dm8tbr | yes | 15:43 |
| lbt | bug #166 | 15:43 |
| Merbot | Bug https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166 task, Normal, ---, not-taken, RESOLVED FIXED, Investigate automated testing of images | 15:43 |
| lbt | ty dm8tbr :) | 15:43 |
| dm8tbr | I can check if I can turn it on to also trigger on #number only | 15:43 |
| dm8tbr | if you need to explicitly query a installation you need to do the weird limbo: Merbot: query --install=bno 42 | 15:44 |
| dm8tbr | installs are bno and bmo | 15:44 |
| dm8tbr | I need to have a look at the bugzilla plugin though. I have this feeling that it's not the latest and greatest version. | 15:44 |
| dm8tbr | so the situation might improve gradually | 15:45 |
| dm8tbr | ok, seems it defaults always to bmo and bno can only be queried as above... | 15:47 |
| dm8tbr | I'll revisit this once the bazaar server of the bugzilla plugin is up again. currently it gives me errors. | 15:47 |
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| fk_lx | hi all | 16:02 |
| t-lo | Bye guys, I'll call it a day and go here: https://plus.google.com/events/c9ffkptmk6kbjkgn7nb7bh5i1ek/107949128852701224835 Drop in of you happen to live close by. | 16:04 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: ok the plugin seems completely abandoned for several years. ubuntu seems to maintain a universal plugin for their supybot(s). I'll probably switch to that in the near future. | 16:05 |
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| kulve | what I'm missing because I need to run once "depmod -a" after flashing a fresh image made from my .ks? | 16:17 |
| kulve | with my own kernel package etc. | 16:17 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: that razor-qt looks simple but could still be just perfect for my testing my packages. | 16:21 |
| kulve | I just included the packages from vgrade and it booted up nicely on a first try. Now I just need to find some sort of xterm for it :) | 16:22 |
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| vgrade | kulve, xterm can be found on cobs. | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | what's the cheapest android phone you know of? | 17:21 |
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| dm8tbr | there are a few <100 ($|€) | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be interesting to see how far you could really get with libhybris, so | 17:24 |
| kulve | vgrade: yeah, I noticed it was at least in your repos | 17:25 |
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| Stskeeps | sometimes you really wonder on vendor's charging implementations.. | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | "yes, we're charging from a charger, let's blow up screen to full brightness and have content on it | 17:28 |
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| kulve | vgrade: what should I include to get some sort of applet for connman for configuring wifi? Assuming something can be found in some Mer armv7l compatible repos | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | maybe use scripts? | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | i think lbt has tutorials | 17:34 |
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| lbt | yes, kulve are they not working ? | 17:36 |
| kulve | scripts work yes, but generally, when you are offering a GUI, the GUI should be usable for general tasks :) | 17:37 |
| lbt | right - so yes, that's UX space | 17:37 |
| kulve | yeah, I added that razor-qt thingie for basic things (hoping it will be enough for them) | 17:38 |
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| CosmoHill | hey vgrade | 17:43 |
| vgrade | hi CosmoHill | 17:45 |
| kulve | is meego cobs linked to opensuse obs so that I could branch packages from opensuse to my project? | 17:47 |
| kulve | although they do have different naming with the packages.. | 17:48 |
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| kulve | wow, looks like my dsp is properly set up after all. At least the gst-launch commands with fake source and sink seems to go through dsp | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 17:59 |
| kulve | need to test more later | 17:59 |
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| jingzhe | Hi, do you know what repository and architecture I should use in obs for N900? can I use armv7el and Mer armv7 hardfp port? | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | jingzhe: N900 is armv7hl / armv7 hardfp | 18:25 |
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| jingzhe | hmm, I will try again. | 18:27 |
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| kulve | dsp encoding works somewhat. I get video but also a lot of memory_regain_ownership and proc_end_dma DMA errors | 19:00 |
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| shmerl | Hi! | 19:32 |
| shmerl | I see that mer libraries include boost now. But the version is pretty old (1.39): http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/armv7l/packages/armv7l/ | 19:33 |
| shmerl | Are there any plans to ship the newer boost from the repositories? | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | file a task bug | 19:34 |
| shmerl | Sure. | 19:34 |
| w00t | (and do the update ;-)) | 19:35 |
| shmerl | But if it's in the mer repo, it means that any mer based installation can rely on boost? | 19:35 |
| shmerl | I.e. packages there. | 19:35 |
| shmerl | For example if Jolla makes their OS, and I want to release something there, I can use boost as dependency? | 19:36 |
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| shmerl | w00t: I can, you'll guide me a bit how to do it :) | 19:36 |
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| shmerl | The latest version of boost is 1.50 | 19:38 |
| shmerl | It's also a question whether some packages rely on the older one. | 19:39 |
| shmerl | Since there are incompatibilities. | 19:39 |
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| shmerl | Some core changes were in the filesystem library for example, making old code non compilable with the newer boost. | 19:45 |
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| shmerl | That change happened around 1.40-s, so 1.39 will for sure be affected. | 19:46 |
| shmerl | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545 | 19:46 |
| Merbot | Bug 545: normal, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, Upgrade the boost libraries to the latest version (1.50) | 19:46 |
| jjardon | Hi, I can download the SDK image, known problem? | 19:50 |
| jjardon | cant* | 19:50 |
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| shmerl | By the way, about the mer page - it's quite hard to find what packages mer contains looking at the wiki. I.e. one needs to dig to find http://releases.merproject.org/releases | 19:50 |
| shmerl | May be it worth it to link to the repo somewhere more obviously | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb -> mer/project-core -> packages.xml | 19:51 |
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| shmerl | I see. Is it linked from the Mer homepage (or wiki) somewhere? | 19:52 |
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| shmerl | May be it'd good to add these links to Mer Wiki > Resources? | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | go ahead | 19:55 |
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| shmerl | OK | 19:55 |
| shmerl | I added links to Mer releases (binary packages) and Mer packages (sources). | 20:00 |
| shmerl | What is the right way of using the SDK by the way. Is it enough to do /srv/mer/sdks/sdk/mer-sdk-chroot enter or first one needs to do /srv/mer/sdks/sdk/mer-sdk-chroot mount (if machine was rebooted since the last usage)? | 20:03 |
| shmerl | Doing enter only doesn't work properly for me. I have to do mount first. | 20:04 |
| shmerl | But then I get: This SDK ( /srv/mer/sdks/sdk ) is already mounted. | 20:04 |
| shmerl | If you are sure this is not an error and /proc/self/mounts has no mountpoints under it then remove /srv/mer/sdks/sdk/.sdkoptions and try again. | 20:04 |
| shmerl | So usually I just delete /srv/mer/sdks/sdk/.sdkoption each time. | 20:04 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Source | 20:09 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:About | 20:09 |
| * jussi waves | 20:09 | |
| lbt | o/ | 20:09 |
| shmerl | It's not linked from the main wiki page. | 20:09 |
| shmerl | So a bit hard to find. | 20:09 |
| lbt | shmerl: fair :) | 20:09 |
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| lbt | Although https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Main_Page#About_Mer_Technology | 20:09 |
| shmerl | While source is quite an important aspect for a FOSS project ;) | 20:10 |
| shmerl | Yep, but I wouldn't guess to go into about page to look for source. | 20:10 |
| shmerl | Or at least not until I'll search around the whole main page first. | 20:11 |
| lbt | comments on making it better are welcome btw - I'm not defending it | 20:11 |
| shmerl | Links in resources will make it easier to find. | 20:12 |
| shmerl | Or you can for example mention in the "about" paragraph that sources are there. | 20:12 |
| Rubdos_ | im on n9 using swype. isrhee | 20:13 |
| shmerl | Did anyone see this error recently? id: cannot find name for group ID 1000 | 20:13 |
| shmerl | I get it when entering the SDK. | 20:14 |
| Rubdos_ | which is not working in English lol | 20:14 |
| lbt | shmerl: you're using the new 602 release - ty :) | 20:14 |
| shmerl | Well, I just did the zypper ref / zypper up :) | 20:14 |
| lbt | yes, it's a warning since it copies in your passwd entry but not your group entry | 20:14 |
| Rubdos_ | is there any (planned) open source equivalent? if not, you could implemenr | 20:15 |
| Rubdos_ | implement that for Mer? | 20:15 |
| lbt | shmerl: http://pastie.org/4551859 | 20:15 |
| Rubdos_ | or isnt that part for mer project? | 20:15 |
| lbt | need to commit+push *blush* | 20:15 |
| lbt | Rubdos_: that's a UI level interface | 20:16 |
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| shmerl | I see | 20:16 |
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| lbt | Rubdos_: most likely something that the Malik guys would do (iirc) | 20:16 |
| shmerl | Nice code theme there :) | 20:16 |
| Rubdos_ | lbt, malik? | 20:17 |
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| lbt | maliit | 20:18 |
| Rubdos_ | whats that about? | 20:19 |
| Rubdos_ | ill google it :p | 20:19 |
| lbt | :) virtual keyb | 20:19 |
| Rubdos_ | joined their irc. thanks | 20:21 |
| shmerl | btw, can one use several targets in the sdk? For example Nemo/N9 and PlasmaActive/Vivaldi? | 20:23 |
| shmerl | I.e. without wiping one to use the other? | 20:23 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, just use multiple sb2 targets | 20:26 |
| shmerl | So when you want to switch between them you need to repeat the steps with sb2-init? | 20:28 |
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| lbt | shmerl: no, you can specify a target | 20:29 |
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| shmerl | I see: sb2 -t ... | 20:30 |
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| shmerl | The same way I guess you can update each target with sb2 -t <target> -m sdk-install -R zypper update | 20:32 |
| lbt | yep | 20:33 |
| shmerl | I can add that to the wiki. | 20:34 |
| lbt | shmerl: we probably want a Scratchbox2 page - the platform SDK pages are just meant to offer tasters and link to detailed pages for various commands | 20:36 |
| shmerl | I guess, but that's a common page where users refer for setting up targets. | 20:37 |
| shmerl | It's good to give an idea there that multiple targets are OK. | 20:37 |
| shmerl | I mean https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 | 20:37 |
| lbt | yeah - but like I say, try to link to an SB2 page with the details | 20:38 |
| lbt | otherwise it ends up being tl;dr; | 20:38 |
| shmerl | OK | 20:38 |
| shmerl | What page is for sb2? | 20:39 |
| lbt | may not be one yet | 20:39 |
| shmerl | I see | 20:40 |
| lbt | hmm my raspi isn't happy at 1920x1200 | 20:40 |
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| shmerl | Romaxa built Firefox OS for the Raspberry Pi. | 20:51 |
| shmerl | http://romaxa.info/b2g/ | 20:52 |
| shmerl | Where is the nemo-n950-image.tar.bz2 comes from by the way? The page doesn't mention it. | 20:55 |
| shmerl | I guess it's from http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/ ? | 20:58 |
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| Rubdos_ | are there plans on a mer phone? | 21:16 |
| shmerl | The closest one should be from Jolla I guess. | 21:17 |
| shmerl | You can already run Mer/Nemo on N900 and N9 though. | 21:17 |
| shmerl | I just saw something on Nvidia working on Wayland support for Tegra. | 21:18 |
| shmerl | So there is some chance that tegra based devices will work with Mer too. | 21:18 |
| Rubdos_ | cool. im on n9 right now. is it usable already? | 21:19 |
| shmerl | Nemo? Not for me at least, since it lacks an e-mail client. | 21:19 |
| Rubdos_ | cool, so you can surf, sms and call? | 21:20 |
| shmerl | Yes, though I didn't test how stable it is. | 21:21 |
| Rubdos_ | ok. | 21:21 |
| Rubdos_ | tip for nemo email client devs: multi smtp support, depending on the network... | 21:22 |
| shmerl | You can take a look here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing | 21:22 |
| shmerl | I'm not sure if anyone is working on that yet. | 21:22 |
| Rubdos_ | 3g smtp differs from wifi one, though ill set up a rpi at some point | 21:23 |
| Rubdos_ | for private mail serving ;-) | 21:23 |
| shmerl | Why would it differ? It's just TCP/IP no? | 21:24 |
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| Rubdos_ | my isp only accepts mail in own network, same with mobile isp | 21:25 |
| shmerl | Ah, so you can use other SMTP servers. There are plenty of them. | 21:25 |
| Rubdos_ | Sorry for quick word usage, im on mobile :-P | 21:25 |
| Rubdos_ | and its too hot :-P | 21:26 |
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| Rubdos_ | what smtp do you use therefore? | 21:26 |
| shmerl | For example Google's. | 21:27 |
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| shmerl | If you have gmail account you can use their smtp. | 21:28 |
| Rubdos_ | thats gmail only... ive got isps email :-( | 21:28 |
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| shmerl | Well, if your ISP restricts smtp usage - find another e-mail provider better. | 21:29 |
| Rubdos_ | ill setup my own with rpi :-P and archlinux and postfix | 21:29 |
| Rubdos_ | problem is everybody uses that address | 21:29 |
| shmerl | That would work, except that you'll have to keep it up all the time. | 21:29 |
| shmerl | Forwarding would help. | 21:30 |
| Rubdos_ | yeh, true | 21:30 |
| Rubdos_ | Now got swype English enabled. Makes sense :-P Much faster | 21:32 |
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| Rubdos_ | Trea | 21:33 |
| Rubdos_ | sorry im off, thanks for explanations, bye | 21:34 |
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| shmerl | Now while trying to install Nemo target I get a bunch of errors when doing sb2 -m sdk-install -R zypper up | 22:04 |
| shmerl | Installing: kernel-adaptation-n950-2.6.32.20112201-15.2.Nemo.Adaptation.N950.N9 [done] | 22:04 |
| shmerl | Installing: ti-omap3-sgx-1.4.268-5.1.Nemo.Adaptation.N9xx [error] | 22:04 |
| shmerl | Installation of ti-omap3-sgx-1.4.268-5.1.Nemo.Adaptation.N9xx failed: | 22:04 |
| shmerl | (with --nodeps --force) Error: Subprocess failed. Error: RPM failed: Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager. | 22:04 |
| shmerl | Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager. | 22:04 |
| shmerl | warning: %post(ti-omap3-sgx-1.4.268-5.1.Nemo.Adaptation.N9xx.armv7hl) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 | 22:04 |
| shmerl | Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager. | 22:04 |
| shmerl | error: %preun(ti-omap3-sgx-1.4.268-4.1.Nemo.Adaptation.N9xx.armv7hl) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 | 22:04 |
| shmerl | error: ti-omap3-sgx-1.4.268-4.1.Nemo.Adaptation.N9xx.armv7hl: erase failed | 22:04 |
| shmerl | Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i] (a): | 22:04 |
| shmerl | Any idea? | 22:05 |
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| sledges | pastebin? | 22:22 |
| * sledges resizes 80x column terminal :) | 22:23 | |
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| sledges | after brief googling: d-bus installation broken | 22:25 |
| sledges | re-install? might spit out the same error - vicious circle :) | 22:25 |
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