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| Stskeeps | there are times i wish i had minions | 05:28 |
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| kulve | Any hints why I'm getting "/dev/mapper/control: open failed: No such device"? Here's the debug output: http://pastie.org/4542857 | 07:17 |
| kulve | I'm trying to create an omap sdcard image with this: "sudo mic create raw mer-overo.ks --release=latest --record-pkgs=name --pkgmgr=yum --arch=armv7l --compress-disk-image=bz2 -o ." | 07:18 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: do you have device mapper in your kernel? | 07:23 |
| kulve | at least the /dev/mapper/control is there | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 07:24 |
| kulve | crw------- 1 root root 10, 236 Aug 18 10:09 /dev/mapper/control | 07:24 |
| kulve | access only to root but that's run with sudo so it should be ok | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | that's a new one for me - lsmod? | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | what OS is your host OS? | 07:24 |
| kulve | debian stable. But I'm running the commands in mer sdk | 07:25 |
| kulve | host os is 64bit, mer sdk seems to be 32bit | 07:25 |
| kulve | my kernel is 3.5.2 though, so not from debian stable | 07:26 |
| kulve | sorry, 3.5.0 | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | i don't 100% know, sorry - it might be a device mapper incompatibility | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | in other news, i now i have mer glestest running on qualcomm hw | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | with android gpu drivers | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | no modifications done to the test, just uses EGL/GLESv2 apis straight | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | shaders working, etc | 07:29 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: if it would be device mapper incompatibility, is there something I could change or try out..? | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | there's a new device mapper in mer-next i think | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | maybe upgrade the sdk version to that device mapper version | 07:31 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: that's cool. Is there some overhead cause by your wrapper? | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | well, i can show you | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | it's really a thin wrapper | 07:31 |
| kulve | hmm.. nvidia provides binaries both for android and for linux. If you can use both, it could be interesting to compare some benchmark results | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/stskeeps/libhybris/blob/master/egl/egl.c is egl wrapper, https://github.com/stskeeps/libhybris/blob/master/glesv2/gl2.c is gl2 wrapper | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | so really thin | 07:33 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm also wrapping certain C library functions and using glibc symbols instead | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | like, glibc memcmp, pthread impl, etc.. | 07:35 |
| kulve | I upgraded the device-mapper from the -next but I still get the same thing.. I wonder why it complains that the device node doesn't exist.. | 07:37 |
| kulve | $ /sbin/kpartx -v -a /dev/loop10 | 07:41 |
| kulve | /dev/mapper/control: open failed: Permission denied | 07:41 |
| kulve | $ sudo /sbin/kpartx -v -a /dev/loop10 | 07:41 |
| kulve | /dev/mapper/control: open failed: No such device | 07:41 |
| kulve | yeah, it's not "not found" but "no such device". I.e. it thinks there's no proper driver behind the node (or no driver at all) | 07:42 |
| kulve | I get something similar on my debian as well | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that's good | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | dmloop misssing? | 07:45 |
| kulve | it seems that I don't have "Device mapper support" enabled in the kernel at all.. | 07:47 |
| kulve | well, it was that. I thought that I had that already, especially because the /dev/mapper/control was there.. | 07:52 |
| kulve | is there wget in some repo..? | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | curl -O | 07:58 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: https://plus.google.com/113386402913695079840/posts/Fc7o5eQ4s1X | 08:01 |
| kulve | nice | 08:08 |
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| Stskeeps | that demo is really irritating to look at after 30 minutes | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | feel a little dizzy | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:11 |
| kulve | :) | 08:11 |
| kulve | try running glmark2-es2. It has at least some variation :) | 08:14 |
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| lbt | morning all | 08:17 |
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| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | how's the infra going? | 08:20 |
| lbt | pretty good | 08:21 |
| * Stskeeps is going to be away for some of the day, but is happy he managed to get a glestest running on libhybris | 08:23 | |
| lbt | on what hardware? | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | touchpad | 08:25 |
| lbt | hmm - is nook colour doable? | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'd rather try on your dragonboard instead though | 08:27 |
| lbt | *nod* | 08:27 |
| lbt | let me get the infra work to a sane point | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | k | 08:28 |
| kulve | bah, 3.5.2's omap's default config doesn't include ext4 | 08:36 |
| kulve | what does "rootflags=barrier=1" do in the kernel bootargs? | 08:44 |
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| lbt | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#2527 | 08:49 |
| kulve | well, I meant "what does barrier=1 do".. | 08:52 |
| kulve | but man mount tells me that | 08:52 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: nb did I tell you DNS renewal coming up - I'm looking to xfer to Hetzner and have ordered a (free) DNS robot there | 09:04 |
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| t-lo | Hi guys, I've got a question to the knowledgeable users of the *mic* image generator: many command line examples in the mer wiki mention a tool called "mic-image-creator". In the current mer SDK, however, the tool is named *mic*, and one of its options is *create*. Is the wiki simply outdated, or is there a real difference? | 09:07 |
| kulve | interesting, vanilla kernel's makefile doesn't seem to work if you are in a directory containg character :. Like "home:kulve:overo" | 09:08 |
| kulve | t-lo: could you give an URL to a page talking about mic-image-creator? | 09:09 |
| t-lo | @kulve: I guess it uses full pathnames in prerequisites for make rules? ":" is a delimiter there. | 09:09 |
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| kulve | t-lo: something like that, yes.. | 09:10 |
| t-lo | @kulve: Absolute pathnames are evil. So are relative ones :) | 09:11 |
| t-lo | @kulve: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Trying_it_out | 09:11 |
| t-lo | I just noticed the page claims it's outdated at the very top. My bad. | 09:12 |
| kulve | t-lo: you could update it to say, "this page IS outdated" :) | 09:12 |
| kulve | or fix it :) | 09:12 |
| kulve | "mic create raw" is the right command, afaik | 09:12 |
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| t-lo | @kulve: fixed that, and added a *very* at the top: | 09:14 |
| t-lo | "NOTE: This page may *very* likely be outdated" | 09:14 |
| t-lo | :) | 09:14 |
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| kulve | how to create releases with the COBS? Like these: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/ ? | 09:59 |
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| lbt | t-lo: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK takes you through the image creation process | 10:15 |
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| lbt | kulve: these tools http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/mer/release-tools.git/ are used to make releases - it's an area that needs work (soon) | 10:15 |
| kulve | lbt: what kind of work? | 10:17 |
| lbt | the master branch is hardcoded and pretty useless outside our infra; the experimental 'lbt' branch is more generic and us used for http://repo.pub.meego.com/releases/ | 10:17 |
| t-lo | @libt: Thanks! I also found https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Trying_it_out and https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#i586_Virtual_Machine quite helpful. | 10:17 |
| lbt | t-lo: good | 10:17 |
| kulve | lbt: hmm.. reading through the "createrelease.sh". Looks like releases are made by just creating the directories and rsync to the server? That's not an option for a generic user I guess.. | 10:19 |
| lbt | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/release-tools.git;a=blob;f=tools/createrelease.sh;h=f7c80cfd09bfa0efd2c2a98d287e2c73a5ff45a3;hb=lbt ? | 10:20 |
| kulve | ah, lbt branch seems quite mucher newer | 10:21 |
| dm8tbr | kulve: /what/ do you want to _release_? | 10:22 |
| kulve | dm8tbr: versions of my (future) gumstix overo hw adaption | 10:22 |
| lbt | good question | 10:22 |
| kulve | would be nice to have kind of stable releases while the newer packages could be a bit more experimental | 10:23 |
| dm8tbr | kulve: that sounds like simple 'areas' (forgot the term) in your OBS account | 10:23 |
| dm8tbr | preferably backed by some corresponding git repo | 10:24 |
| kulve | dm8tbr: I don't know what you mean by 'areas'. Could you find a bit more details of it..? | 10:25 |
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| kulve | http://wiki.meego.com/OBS/Community_OBS#Development_Areas | 10:27 |
| kulve | something like those? | 10:27 |
| dm8tbr | kulve: inside your home you can simply have several directories IIRC. but someone with OBS knowledge should conmment | 10:30 |
| kulve | something like that could be enough. I think releases "stable" and "latest" would be just fine for my purposes. Although being able to map it with Mer's releases using the mic's --release option would be convenient | 10:32 |
| dm8tbr | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/subprojects?project=home%3Asage | 10:32 |
| kulve | currently I just have a bunch of packages which may or may not work with a specific Mer release | 10:33 |
| kulve | hmm.. I could use a "stable" subproject but it would needlessly compile those packages again and it would be a bit inconvenient to maintain | 10:34 |
| dm8tbr | ok, then you should ask someone else. my OBS knowledge is very shallow as of recently | 10:35 |
| kulve | mine too. I've done couple of experiments with it but nothing "real" | 10:36 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: I've added x-loader, u-boot 2012.07 and kernel 3.5.2 and I can create a bootable sdcard image for Gumstix Overo with single mic-command \o/ | 10:40 |
| kulve | kernel's default config for OMAP SoCs is missing a bunch of options Mer needs | 10:40 |
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| Stskeeps | fk_lx: got my sms? | 11:14 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: migrated all phosts except monster and phost1 | 11:24 |
| lbt | you'll lose vlan110 (internal) but if you keep quiet you should keep tcp connections | 11:24 |
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| lbt | done | 11:32 |
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| lbt | tricky one coming up | 11:37 |
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| jingzhe | I use meego obs to build libmeegotouch, but it complain error: unresolvable, nothing provides pkgconfig(maliit-1.0) >= 0.81.3.0.1, nothing provides pkgconfig(contextsubscriber-1.0) >= 0.5.25, nothing provides libmlocale-devel | 13:16 |
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| jingzhe | anybody knows how to add dependency? | 13:16 |
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| Stskeeps | jingzhe: try to branch from the project where libmeegotouch is? | 13:32 |
| jingzhe | Stskeeps: yes, I branch from here: osc copypac from project:CE:MW:MTF package:libmeegotouch revision:7 | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | okay, and your project name == ? | 13:36 |
| jingzhe | home:jingzhe | 13:36 |
| lbt | FYI mer infra is now fully meshed VPN which means no single fail point and optimal traffic flow | 13:37 |
| lbt | all phosts and VMs migrated live :) | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 13:37 |
| jingzhe | @Stskeeps: do you know how to solve the problem? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | jingzhe: don't copypac, branch | 13:38 |
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| jingzhe | Stskeeps:I tried branch from web ui, there is also some unresolved problem | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | jingzhe: okay, show me the one with branch from web ui? | 13:40 |
| jingzhe | Stskeeps: please check https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libmeegotouch&project=home%3Ajingzhe | 13:42 |
| jingzhe | I branched in this time | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | if you had branched correctly, it would be in home:jingzhe:branches:CE:MW:MTF | 13:43 |
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| CosmoHill | hey Alison_Chaiken | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | jingzhe: osc branch CE:MTF:MW libmeegotouch | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can we make nagios ignore /fast ? | 13:44 |
| lbt | yes, annoying isn't it | 13:44 |
| jingzhe | I used webui, now I use osc to try again | 13:44 |
| lbt | luckily it annoys me too :D | 13:44 |
| Alison_Chaiken | hey CosmoHill. I'm in a hotel lobby in a remote resort: only place with WiFi. I told my family I was going to the sauna. | 13:46 |
| CosmoHill | haha | 13:46 |
| CosmoHill | you geek :p | 13:46 |
| iekku | Alison_Chaiken, :D :D :D | 13:46 |
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| jingzhe | Stskeeps: I did it, but result is same | 13:49 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I will go to the sauna, but I forgot to install inkscape before I got on the plane . . . new ssd is awesome, but did a clean install and forgot some packages! | 13:50 |
| Alison_Chaiken | But it's rainy here, so sauna sounds lovely. | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | jingzhe: what is the projected it branched into? | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | er, project | 13:51 |
| jingzhe | I created my home project | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | no.. :P | 13:52 |
| jingzhe | it is empty project | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | what did osc branch exactly say in output | 13:52 |
| jingzhe | Note: The branch has been created of a different project, Project:MTF:MW, | 13:52 |
| jingzhe | which is the primary location of where development for that package takes place. | 13:53 |
| jingzhe | A working copy of the branched package can be checked out with: osc co home:jingzhe/libmeegotouch | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | and what exact command line did you use? | 13:53 |
| jingzhe | osc branch CE:MW:MTF libmeegotouch home:jingzhe | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | no, just do osc branch CE:MW:MTF libmeegotouch | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | no home:jingzhe | 13:54 |
| jingzhe | ok | 13:54 |
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| jingzhe | @Stskeeps: it is ok now, thanks. | 13:57 |
| jingzhe | Stskeeps: could you explain to me that why I branch package to my home project, it doesn't work, and your command can work? | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | jingzhe: because osc branch sets up the repository configuration for you correctly | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | matching the branch | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | lo javispedro | 14:00 |
| javispedro | hi | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: glestest working with libEGL/GLESv2 wrapper, shaders, etc | 14:00 |
| javispedro | probably stupid question, but are there binary mer touchpad images? | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | i think crevetor_ has been brewing on it | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | mine is a bit of a frankensetup as i use an android kernel | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/Touchpad | 14:08 |
| jcsullins | I might be able to help out w/ an installer, once you have an image ready ... | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | creating an image is a bit outdated | 14:09 |
| jcsullins | or .tar + boot uImage | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | i think it'll be a possibility once we have something saner going | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | at the moment my android kernel doesn't charge while on usb, which is kinda annoying | 14:10 |
| jcsullins | which kernel are you using? | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | jcsullins: well, stepping back a bit - did you see my android gpu on non-android system demo? | 14:11 |
| jcsullins | btw, if it's connected to usb (not AC) and screen is on, there's not enough mA to do it | 14:11 |
| jcsullins | yeah, saw the post | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | that makes sense i guess | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | i had the gpu demo rolling for 6 hours ;) | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | just to test stability | 14:12 |
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| jcsullins | ah, I see (from Adaptation/Touchpad page) that you are using webOS kernel | 14:20 |
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| Stskeeps | i use tenderloin android kernel myself | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | for my experiments | 14:24 |
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| jcsullins | ics branch? | 14:27 |
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| jcsullins | btw, you aware of moboot? (to dualboot) | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | i use it, but i use novacom to load kernels as i often have to mod them | 14:29 |
| jcsullins | yeah, been there | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | hey vgrade | 14:40 |
| vgrade | Hi Stskeeps | 14:40 |
| vgrade | back from hols | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | how was vacation? | 14:40 |
| vgrade | great | 14:41 |
| vgrade | back to reality now | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | saw my latest demo? | 14:41 |
| vgrade | nice g+ demo | 14:41 |
| vgrade | was thinking which device to try it on | 14:41 |
| vgrade | was thinking Nezus 1 as that was my first | 14:41 |
| vgrade | Nexus | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | what GPU is it? | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | and is it gingerbread? | 14:42 |
| vgrade | qualcom msm | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | armv6 or armv7/ | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 14:42 |
| vgrade | v7 | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | should be possible then | 14:42 |
| vgrade | probably not got a gb build though | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | mm, not sure how it works on later versions | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | worth a shot? | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:44 |
| vgrade | it has gingerbread | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | get mer install, install mesa-llvmpipe-libEGL-devel,/ libGLESv2-devel, glibc-devel and gcc, binutils, etc | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | on it | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | and then grab libhybris git | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | make ARCH=arm | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./test_egl first , then ./test_glesv2 | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | you need to copy android's /system in to /system first and maybe add some stuff in /system/build.prop | 14:46 |
| vgrade | I'm a bit behind on Mer SDK setup and ks so I'll get that current first then give it a go | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | important thing is an android kernel, naturally | 14:49 |
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| vgrade | yup, I can reuse my old page at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD | 14:51 |
| lbt | vgrade: feel free to test 602 install of SDK - see page | 14:53 |
| vgrade | lbt, roger | 14:54 |
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| t-lo | If I branch a package in OBS from which source project should I branch? (I'm following https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedInFixingBugs) | 15:00 |
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| Stskeeps | it depends what you want to branch.. | 15:01 |
| t-lo | connman, systemd, ofono. | 15:02 |
| t-lo | For the start. | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | okay, then you follow a different path.. | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail , https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution | 15:02 |
| t-lo | FYI I'm currently working through my own recommendations in https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172. | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: general impression .. latency much much better | 15:14 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning kallecarl | 15:15 |
| lbt | yes, I thought so too | 15:15 |
| kallecarl | Stskeeps: hi | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | kallecarl: how are things? sorry for not answering your mail, i'm very backlogged atm | 15:15 |
| kallecarl | Stskeeps: no hurry | 15:15 |
| kallecarl | thought I'd drop in to see what creativity looks like | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | kallecarl: did you see my latest invention video? | 15:16 |
| kallecarl | Stskeeps: LinuxCon is a good place to get a message out | 15:16 |
| kallecarl | loc? | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 15:16 |
| kallecarl | Stskeeps: I want to make sure that the message is accurate and what y'all want | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | https://plus.google.com/113386402913695079840/posts/Fc7o5eQ4s1X | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | sorry for it being on g+, just best place for me atm :P | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | using android GPU drivers on mer, basically | 15:17 |
| kallecarl | hybris > hubris | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | hybris in danish | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:17 |
| kallecarl | that will come later maybe | 15:17 |
| kallecarl | nice | 15:17 |
| kallecarl | I need to get out more | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | so suddenly we can put mer-based systems on a lot more devices | 15:18 |
| kallecarl | excellent | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | though there's also impact on how architectures are done on mer-side, having to deal with android wakelocks, qt5 / QPA needed to really pull it off, wayland.. | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | so it's more for future/next generation UI stacks, not the existing x11 ones | 15:18 |
| kallecarl | QPA? | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | qt's lighthouse thing | 15:19 |
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| kallecarl | when you have a chance, it would be helpful to get a short bit about what's happening with MerProject | 15:19 |
| kallecarl | suitable for sharing at LinuxCon | 15:20 |
| kallecarl | there will be good opportunities | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | business as usual really, we have a bigger vendor taking part now as well, Jolla, being a vendor like any other | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | which is employing a lot of the contributors, but things still through open governance and discussion | 15:20 |
| kallecarl | good to get your views about Jolla and Tizen and how they relate to Mer | 15:20 |
| kallecarl | i'm ignorant of that stuff | 15:21 |
| kallecarl | mostly | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | Tizen's really difficult to really describe.. it is sometimes a bit unclear what is going on there | 15:21 |
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| kallecarl | need a spy in Samsung prolly | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | Jolla is easier to describe, they use Mer as basis for their product | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | and contributes in the open to mer | 15:21 |
| kallecarl | it's already in place | 15:21 |
| kallecarl | with Jolla | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'm personally working with Jolla, but at same time i still act as independent project architect | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | as everybody involved understands the importance of a shared effort core | 15:22 |
| kallecarl | okay...and with Tizen probably will be some collaboration if appropriate? | 15:22 |
| kallecarl | or just dunno? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | well | 15:23 |
| kallecarl | I don't want to come off as more knowledgeable than I am | 15:23 |
| kallecarl | which is not much | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | in practice collaboration happens between people and in upstream projects | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | tizen is going their own way in a very non transparent way | 15:23 |
| kallecarl | another Android? | 15:23 |
| kallecarl | open after the fact | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | i like the work that the intel OTC people keeps on pushing into | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | sort-of but not on all pieces | 15:24 |
| kallecarl | OTC? | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | intel open source technology center | 15:24 |
| kallecarl | ah yes | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | 01.org, etc | 15:24 |
| kallecarl | the Mother Theresas of open source | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | but samsung wise.. at least on tizen side it's a complete black hole | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know, but i do hope they end up with a usable web runtime for people to use, even outside tizen | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | but that hope seems not to have been manifested so far | 15:26 |
| kallecarl | what's your sense about Plasma Active stuff? | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | this is my own personal opinion and not meant to insult anyone: i like plasma active, the people involved, but from technology wise, it might be about shooting birds with cannons. there might be a good movement to move towards more simplistic/lightweight environments on both ui and middleware stack in future | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | the people who do PA now will be the experts in mobile linux stacks in the future, as they're learning quite a lot about the environment | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | and challenges | 15:28 |
| kallecarl | the Mer iso certainly is in the lightweight direction compared to alternatives for PA | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:28 |
| kallecarl | very nice and zippy | 15:28 |
| kallecarl | another topic | 15:29 |
| kallecarl | what message can I carry for Mer Project? | 15:29 |
| kallecarl | what do you want people to know or do? | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | the usual vibe - we're here, we are open for contributions, we do really good work and we're professional and serious in what we do, build your products by using us ;) | 15:30 |
| kallecarl | go to merproject.org | 15:30 |
| kallecarl | ? | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, or even come here and see how things -can- be done | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | i personally hope people from GNOME OS will understand the need of a nice minimal core as well | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | given their intent to put a tablet OS out in 2013.. | 15:30 |
| kallecarl | cool | 15:31 |
| kallecarl | a big part of the PA story is to escape the captivity of oligopoly | 15:31 |
| kallecarl | freedom moves beyond just software | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | moment.. got a video you should watch | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | http://vimeo.com/46141222 | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | scott jenson's talk from mobilism this year | 15:32 |
| kallecarl | who is he? | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | he is previous symbian, google, apple HIG group | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | designer | 15:33 |
| kallecarl | i'll watch | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | a genuinely good guy who wants to create next-gen computing | 15:33 |
| kallecarl | I sent the link to LinuxCon | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:33 |
| kallecarl | if you think of anything you want me/us to talk about, please email | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, you're still in my email queue | 15:34 |
| kallecarl | might make up some little brochures | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | we should bring back the mer flyers.. | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | we had a marketing set in old Mer | 15:34 |
| kallecarl | we've been creating bizcard size brochures | 15:34 |
| kallecarl | do you have any marketing kinda stuff already? | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | not enough, i think | 15:35 |
| kallecarl | except website | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ? | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | contributions naturally always welcome to help create it | 15:35 |
| lbt | I have some material for site but haven't updated it yet | 15:36 |
| kallecarl | I understand...same for a lot of things | 15:36 |
| kallecarl | I'll work on something and run it by you | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 15:36 |
| kallecarl | brochure is small...6.5 cm x 7.5 cm | 15:37 |
| kallecarl | 2.5x3 inches | 15:38 |
| kallecarl | both sides | 15:38 |
| kallecarl | Stskeeps: can I get the Mer logo in SVG? | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's at wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork | 15:39 |
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| lbt | kallecarl: feel free to bug me on this stuff too | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: btw, random thought: we could possibly share MDS between mer cobs and mer CI | 15:42 |
| lbt | do they change at the same time? | 15:43 |
| lbt | is there a CI MDS? I never update it | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | there is, but i do that one | 15:44 |
| lbt | we actually have cmds already btw | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | it desperately needs to get moved off be though | 15:44 |
| lbt | cmds isn't on be | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | i know | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | but ci's MDS is | 15:45 |
| lbt | you could update cmds and point CI at it | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 15:45 |
| lbt | I do plan on migrating the VM though | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:45 |
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| Stskeeps | moving ci fe/be? | 15:45 |
| lbt | aswell | 15:45 |
| kallecarl | Stskeeps: the svg...he broke...is there another one somewhere? | 15:46 |
| lbt | when's a good time for that? | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | let me know when i should pause it | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | kallecarl: hmm | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: post current release? | 15:46 |
| lbt | will do then | 15:46 |
| lbt | it's a pretty safe operation since it's copy without erase | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | kallecarl: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/3/3b/Mer_logo_svg.svg is a white image on a transparent background | 15:46 |
| kallecarl | looks like a white square in Inkscape | 15:47 |
| lbt | mm | 15:47 |
| lbt | svg should be on wiki | 15:47 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/File:Mer-Logo.svg | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | kallecarl: try to wget it? | 15:47 |
| kallecarl | got it thank you | 15:49 |
| kallecarl | Stskeeps: I'll put some stuff together and have you look at it | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:50 |
| kallecarl | forget the email unless there is more to cover | 15:50 |
| kulve | how come trying to get any USB stuff working is always such a PITA on omap.. | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: usb host, or? | 15:55 |
| kulve | host yes. Either OTG in host mode or the actual host port (my summit board for Gumstix Overo has both connectors) | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:56 |
| lbt | vgrade: I'd like feedback on 6.0.2 update process if possible | 15:56 |
| vgrade | lbt, riger | 15:56 |
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| kulve | now I found an email where khilman says the whole ECHI is totally broken on 3.5. I tried 3.4.9 but I guess it's fresh enough to have the same problem. And 3.6-rc2 has probably the same issue although it prints a bit more usb debug prints. I guess I should try 3.3.8 next. Also the configuration has so many usb related options that I might have configured something wrong | 15:58 |
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| t-lo | Hey guys: assuming I found a potential problem with the systemd configuration files of a few services (connman, ofono, boardname,...) then who should I talk to? | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | send a mail to mer-general@ and kick off a discussion | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lists | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 16:37 |
| t-lo | Okay, sounds good. I'll create a bug in the Mer tracker to reference in the mail. | 16:38 |
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| tukem | Evening everybody | 17:20 |
| amjad_ | evening | 17:22 |
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| Stskeeps | good evening amjad and tukem | 17:30 |
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| amjad_ | hi Stskeeps, long time no chat :) | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | amjad_: yup | 17:45 |
| amjad_ | so we would see mer on handset this year via jolla ? | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | that's the idea, at least | 17:47 |
| amjad_ | i hope jolla os development happens on open , not like tizen which is all behind closed doors | 17:49 |
| amjad_ | err, in open | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | amjad_: a lot of stuff you see in Mer is part of this :) | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | amjad_: so it is actually happening quite a lot in open | 18:07 |
| amjad_ | great, Long live Meego/MER :) | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | yup | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | amjad_: i'm with jolla and so is many other mer contributors | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | and jolla is 'just' another vendor in mer, with open project going on | 18:09 |
| amjad_ | but jolla is targeting china , so i am expecting the handset manufacturer to be from china | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | well, all big companies outsource their device making these days to be honest | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | ie, hw side | 18:11 |
| amjad_ | yep | 18:11 |
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| t-lo | What a day. | 18:14 |
| t-lo | It's like rocket science to build/reproduce/fix/test/create-patch even for a single package if you're new to the thing. | 18:14 |
| * Stskeeps offers t-lo a cold beverage | 18:14 | |
| Stskeeps | t-lo: it is rocket science but i think you pick up pretty quickly | 18:15 |
| amjad_ | is jolla also going in netbook/ivi market or just handset? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | amjad_: can't comment that, sorry | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | t-lo: can you walk me through the cycle above for good measure? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | just to see where you could optimize | 18:16 |
| * t-lo accepts gratefully, wiping the condensed water off the cap, then flipping it open. | 18:16 | |
| t-lo | @Stskeeps: it's culture shock if you're used to the simplicity of OpenEmbedded (at least concerning this workflow), I tell you :) | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | t-lo: sure, it's different | 18:16 |
| t-lo | No problem w/ different, I am actually embracing everything divverent. | 18:17 |
| t-lo | Different means there's opportunity to learn. | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | what i do worry about is it being too long cycle to do that, in a company, long development cycles (build-run-test-rebuild-fix-etc) costs money | 18:17 |
| t-lo | However, it's *complex* here, especially the build-and-test part. And yes, I second your worries. | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | so any feedback welcome on what you do :) | 18:18 |
| t-lo | Okay, so what I miss most is that you can create own packages, and images from these packages, very easily in OE. | 18:20 |
| t-lo | It's almost impossible (from my current level of experience) to do this with the Mer SDK. | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: or it's not explained well enough | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | how is it like in OE? | 18:21 |
| t-lo | Let me give you an example. | 18:21 |
| t-lo | OE is an application lifecycle management framework not unlike maven (although comparing them feels somewhat odd). | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'm fwiw, not in any way saying that our ways is the best, we're always looking to improve :) | 18:22 |
| t-lo | So we have to settle for a project *using* OE instead of OE itself. | 18:23 |
| t-lo | Now I'd like to try to "just build a package" in that project. | 18:23 |
| t-lo | My prerequisites are ZERO. Well, OK, maybe I have a machine running a recent ubuntu (or fedora, doesn't really matter). | 18:24 |
| t-lo | Here is what I need to do: | 18:24 |
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| t-lo | 1) install build tools. These are *very* few for OE. So on that Ubuntu box I'd run: | 18:25 |
| t-lo | sudo apt-get install sed wget cvs subversion git-core coreutils unzip texi2html texinfo libsdl1.2-dev docbook-utils gawk python-pysqlite2 diffstat help2man make gcc build-essential g++ desktop-file-utils chrpath libgl1-mesa-dev libglu1-mesa-dev mercurial autoconf automake groff libtool xterm | 18:25 |
| t-lo | And I would be set and done. | 18:25 |
| t-lo | Then I would check out the project sources, mainly OE recipes, no real code: | 18:26 |
| t-lo | git clone git://github.com/DFE/HidaV.git hidav-project | 18:26 |
| t-lo | (HidaV serving as my example OE project here) | 18:26 |
| t-lo | Enter the directory: | 18:27 |
| t-lo | cd hidav-project | 18:27 |
| t-lo | Initialize the build environment: | 18:27 |
| t-lo | source hidav-init.sh . | 18:27 |
| t-lo | And I would be done. | 18:27 |
| t-lo | As in: I can now build everything. | 18:27 |
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| t-lo | Running a "bitbake vim" would build VI Improved for my platform. Including all dependencies. This also includes a cross-compiler if I did not yet build one. | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so bitbake vim builds a recipe? | 18:29 |
| t-lo | Nope, bitbake vim builds vim. | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | okay, i meant more like.. | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | bitbake vim builds the vim recipe? | 18:29 |
| t-lo | Yes, it will build vim according to the recipe, and it would build all not-yet built vim dependencies. | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | so did you try mer local builds? | 18:31 |
| t-lo | I did :) | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | as in, osc build | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | any opinions on that/ | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:32 |
| t-lo | Yupp, it did not work out, but I don't remember what failed. Not important. | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, interesting | 18:32 |
| t-lo | I was able to chase down the bug I was after in the Nemo vm image. | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if we should do guides for "So you're coming from OE.." | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | et | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | c | 18:33 |
| t-lo | And fixing a bug in Mer seems to involve OBS anyways, so I've got to use it (at least this is what I take from https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail. | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i'd like to make it less dependent on that personally | 18:34 |
| t-lo | Guides: good idea! Best is if this would describe a very different workflow from what I tried to do. | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:35 |
| t-lo | I think the main effect is that OE makes you care about integration of what you are doing/fixing from the start, while in Mer you would probably start by yourself, possibly by checking out upstream sources, and integrate at the very end. | 18:38 |
| t-lo | I'm just saying this because, well, I like the way OE handles this, but I know quite a few developers which can't stand that they have to consider integration all the time, and with every step they are making. | 18:39 |
| t-lo | However, I'm off for today. | 18:40 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: thanks for the input | 18:41 |
| t-lo | @Stskeeps: This topic is better being talked about in person, and maybe with a beer or two. | 18:41 |
| t-lo | ;) | 18:41 |
| t-lo | @Stskeeps: You don't happen to be at FrOSCon next week, are you? | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | no, my next conferences are smartdevcon and i seem to have gotten myself into FSCons in goteborg too. . then FOSDEM in feb | 18:42 |
| t-lo | Let's meet at Fosdem, then. I'll be there, I think everybody will, as usual :) | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 18:43 |
| t-lo | Let's see, maybe I know better about building Mer packages and think better of OBS after tomorrow: I'll try to fix https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542 and https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=543, so I need the build service :) | 18:44 |
| t-lo | See you guys. | 18:45 |
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| * lpotter yawns | 18:54 | |
| * lbt bounces around | 18:54 | |
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| lbt | (possibly too much coffee today) | 18:54 |
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| * lpotter still has an account in meego obs | 18:59 | |
| lbt | it still ticks over | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter: want it enabled for community obs too? | 19:00 |
| lpotter | need to remember where else I have accounts with @nokia | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | well, meego.com login, i guess | 19:00 |
| lpotter | Stskeeps: yes please | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter: what's your meego.com login? | 19:00 |
| lpotter | lpotter :) | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter: ^ | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | er, lbt | 19:00 |
| lbt | done :) | 19:00 |
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| Stskeeps | https://build.pub.meego.com now works | 19:00 |
| lbt | lpotter: "have fun" :) | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm letting gerrit queue requests for builds now, so we can reasonably move things soon | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | when it has settled down | 19:01 |
| lbt | OK | 19:01 |
| lbt | I stopped doing infra after 8hrs... | 19:01 |
| * lpotter doesn't really know what power he was just handed | 19:01 | |
| lbt | and started on raspi/electronics | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter: well, you can contribute to mer now and build packages on top of it ;) | 19:01 |
| lbt | lpotter: and Nemo | 19:02 |
| lpotter | just clicked -> COBS == community obs | 19:02 |
| lpotter | in my head | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | coffee's beginning to work | 19:02 |
| lpotter | caffeine is slowly integrating | 19:02 |
| tukem | Grr.. after just spending time looking into open bugs and then noticing fixes already exist in gerrit it really would be good to change bug status | 19:02 |
| krans | Stskeeps, lbt : I just wrote to david and neils that I want to access https://build.pub.meego.com my meego user name is kumarkun could you help ? | 19:03 |
| lpotter | tried nemo on my asus eeepc... couldnt figure out how to close any app | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | krans: lbt is david | 19:03 |
| krans | Stskeeps, ok good to know :) | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter: move mouse cursor from bottom and up | 19:03 |
| lbt | krans: ... what he said :) ... done | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | or from left / right side | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter: poor man's swipe | 19:03 |
| krans | lbt, he said in irc that its done ;) | 19:04 |
| lpotter | tried that, I think | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter: should be working :) | 19:04 |
| lbt | krans: I mean "I am david" and "your account is enabled" :) | 19:04 |
| krans | lbt, yeah i got that | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | urgh, looks like it's time for toolchain upgrade.. | 19:08 |
| krans | good to see lpotter here :) may be soon I will change my nick most of the nokians know me as kumarkun :) | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, there's always a bit of a disconnect between ones' professional login and irc nick | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | i'm 'cvm' professionally | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:10 |
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| * Stskeeps really hopes a lot of interesting startups will come from all this nokia mess.. | 19:13 | |
| Stskeeps | .. and that they'll be using mer ;) | 19:13 |
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| * Stskeeps reviews | 19:28 | |
| * w00t eyes krans | 19:34 | |
| krans | w00t, :) | 19:35 |
| w00t | nice to see more familiar names | 19:35 |
| krans | w00t, let discuss some things in #nemomobile related to our favorite contacts domain :) | 19:36 |
| w00t | *g* sure | 19:37 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: What's the problem with this patch http://review.merproject.org/#change,769 ? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | situ: i'm really unsure | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | checking.. | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | situ: actually it kinda looks like we could drop libtalloc | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | i don't see anything in mer core using it | 19:45 |
| situ | Go ahead :) | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | please file a bug with severity=task in core -> Project core to drop libtalloc | 19:46 |
| situ | Why did bot showed name of mesa in logs ? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | that is a very good question | 19:47 |
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| Venemo_N9 | guys, thx for getting double tap to wake up working | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: there's a bit of funny story behind that.. it just came in through a mce update | 19:49 |
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| Stskeeps | we were shocked to see it working | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:49 |
| Venemo_N9 | anyway, it was a very pleasant surprise :) | 19:50 |
| Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, does low power mode also work? | 19:52 |
| situ | Stskeeps: Looks fine https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=544 ? | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | situ: yup | 19:53 |
| situ | Ok. | 19:53 |
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| jingzhe | hi, how to choose repository and Architectures in OBS? | 21:27 |
| jingzhe | for N900 | 21:27 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 22:20 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: very nice work on that android thing | 22:24 |
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