Saturday, 2012-08-18

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Stskeepsmorn04:56
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Paimenmorning05:02
* Stskeeps writes a libglesv2 wrapper..05:07
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Stskeepsthere are times i wish i had minions05:28
Stskeepswriting stubs is such a bore05:29
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kulveAny hints why I'm getting "/dev/mapper/control: open failed: No such device"? Here's the debug output: http://pastie.org/454285707:17
kulveI'm trying to create an omap sdcard image with this: "sudo mic create raw mer-overo.ks --release=latest --record-pkgs=name --pkgmgr=yum --arch=armv7l --compress-disk-image=bz2 -o ."07:18
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Stskeepskulve: do you have device mapper in your kernel?07:23
kulveat least the /dev/mapper/control is there07:24
Stskeepshmmm07:24
kulvecrw------- 1 root root 10, 236 Aug 18 10:09 /dev/mapper/control07:24
kulveaccess only to root but that's run with sudo so it should be ok07:24
Stskeepsthat's a new one for me - lsmod?07:24
Stskeepswhat OS is your host OS?07:24
kulvedebian stable. But I'm running the commands in mer sdk07:25
kulvehost os is 64bit, mer sdk seems to be 32bit07:25
kulvemy kernel is 3.5.2 though, so not from debian stable07:26
kulvesorry, 3.5.007:26
Stskeepshmm07:26
Stskeepsi don't 100% know, sorry - it might be a device mapper incompatibility07:28
Stskeepsin other news, i now i have mer glestest running on qualcomm hw07:29
Stskeepswith android gpu drivers07:29
Stskeepsno modifications done to the test, just uses EGL/GLESv2 apis straight07:29
Stskeepsshaders working, etc07:29
kulveStskeeps: if it would be device mapper incompatibility, is there something I could change or try out..?07:30
Stskeepsthere's a new device mapper in mer-next i think07:31
Stskeepsmaybe upgrade the sdk version to that device mapper version07:31
kulveStskeeps: that's cool. Is there some overhead cause by your wrapper?07:31
Stskeepswell, i can show you07:31
Stskeepsit's really a thin wrapper07:31
kulvehmm.. nvidia provides binaries both for android and for linux. If you can use both, it could be interesting to compare some benchmark results07:32
Stskeepshttps://github.com/stskeeps/libhybris/blob/master/egl/egl.c is egl wrapper, https://github.com/stskeeps/libhybris/blob/master/glesv2/gl2.c is gl2 wrapper07:33
Stskeepsso really thin07:33
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Stskeepsi'm also wrapping certain C library functions and using glibc symbols instead07:34
Stskeepslike, glibc memcmp, pthread impl, etc..07:35
kulveI upgraded the device-mapper from the -next but I still get the same thing.. I wonder why it complains that the device node doesn't exist..07:37
kulve$ /sbin/kpartx -v -a /dev/loop1007:41
kulve/dev/mapper/control: open failed: Permission denied07:41
kulve$ sudo /sbin/kpartx -v -a /dev/loop1007:41
kulve/dev/mapper/control: open failed: No such device07:41
kulveyeah, it's not "not found" but "no such device". I.e. it thinks there's no proper driver behind the node (or no driver at all)07:42
kulveI get something similar on my debian as well07:44
Stskeepsok, that's good07:44
Stskeepsdmloop misssing?07:45
kulveit seems that I don't have "Device mapper support" enabled in the kernel at all..07:47
kulvewell, it was that. I thought that I had that already, especially because the /dev/mapper/control was there..07:52
kulveis there wget in some repo..?07:55
Stskeepscurl -O07:58
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Stskeepskulve: https://plus.google.com/113386402913695079840/posts/Fc7o5eQ4s1X08:01
kulvenice08:08
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Stskeepsthat demo is really irritating to look at after 30 minutes08:11
Stskeepsfeel a little dizzy08:11
Stskeeps:P08:11
kulve:)08:11
kulvetry running glmark2-es2. It has at least some variation :)08:14
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lbtmorning all08:17
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Stskeepsmorn lbt08:20
Stskeepshow's the infra going?08:20
lbtpretty good08:21
* Stskeeps is going to be away for some of the day, but is happy he managed to get a glestest running on libhybris08:23
lbton what  hardware?08:25
Stskeepstouchpad08:25
lbthmm - is nook colour doable?08:26
Stskeepspossibly08:26
Stskeepsi'd rather try on your dragonboard instead though08:27
lbt*nod*08:27
lbtlet me get the infra work to a sane point08:27
Stskeepsk08:28
kulvebah, 3.5.2's omap's default config doesn't include ext408:36
kulvewhat does "rootflags=barrier=1" do in the kernel bootargs?08:44
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lbthttp://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#252708:49
kulvewell, I meant "what does barrier=1 do"..08:52
kulvebut man mount tells me that08:52
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lbtStskeeps: nb did I tell you DNS renewal coming up - I'm looking to xfer to Hetzner and have ordered a (free) DNS robot there09:04
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t-loHi guys, I've got a question to the knowledgeable users of the *mic* image generator: many command line examples in the mer wiki mention a tool called "mic-image-creator". In the current mer SDK, however, the tool is named *mic*, and one of its options is *create*. Is the wiki simply outdated, or is there a real difference?09:07
kulveinteresting, vanilla kernel's makefile doesn't seem to work if you are in a directory containg character :. Like "home:kulve:overo"09:08
kulvet-lo: could you give an URL to a page talking about mic-image-creator?09:09
t-lo@kulve: I guess it uses full pathnames in prerequisites for make rules? ":" is a delimiter there.09:09
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kulvet-lo: something like that, yes..09:10
t-lo@kulve: Absolute pathnames are evil. So are relative ones :)09:11
t-lo@kulve: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Trying_it_out09:11
t-loI just noticed the page claims it's outdated at the very top. My bad.09:12
kulvet-lo: you could update it to say, "this page IS outdated" :)09:12
kulveor fix it :)09:12
kulve"mic create raw" is the right command, afaik09:12
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t-lo@kulve: fixed that, and added a *very* at the top:09:14
t-lo"NOTE: This page may *very* likely be outdated"09:14
t-lo:)09:14
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kulvehow to create releases with the COBS? Like these: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/ ?09:59
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lbtt-lo: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK takes you through the image creation process10:15
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lbtkulve: these tools http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/mer/release-tools.git/ are used to make releases - it's an area that needs work (soon)10:15
kulvelbt: what kind of work?10:17
lbtthe master branch is hardcoded and pretty useless outside our infra;  the experimental 'lbt' branch is more generic and us used for http://repo.pub.meego.com/releases/10:17
t-lo@libt: Thanks! I also found https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Trying_it_out and  https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#i586_Virtual_Machine quite helpful.10:17
lbtt-lo: good10:17
kulvelbt: hmm.. reading through the "createrelease.sh". Looks like releases are made by just creating the directories and rsync to the server? That's not an option for a generic user I guess..10:19
lbthttp://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/release-tools.git;a=blob;f=tools/createrelease.sh;h=f7c80cfd09bfa0efd2c2a98d287e2c73a5ff45a3;hb=lbt ?10:20
kulveah, lbt branch seems quite mucher newer10:21
dm8tbrkulve: /what/ do you want to _release_?10:22
kulvedm8tbr: versions of my (future) gumstix overo hw adaption10:22
lbtgood question10:22
kulvewould be nice to have kind of stable releases while the newer packages could be a bit more experimental10:23
dm8tbrkulve: that sounds like simple 'areas' (forgot the term) in your OBS account10:23
dm8tbrpreferably backed by some corresponding git repo10:24
kulvedm8tbr: I don't know what you mean by 'areas'. Could you find a bit more details of it..?10:25
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kulvehttp://wiki.meego.com/OBS/Community_OBS#Development_Areas10:27
kulvesomething like those?10:27
dm8tbrkulve: inside your home you can simply have several directories IIRC. but someone with OBS knowledge should conmment10:30
kulvesomething like that could be enough. I think releases "stable" and "latest" would be just fine for my purposes. Although being able to map it with Mer's releases using the mic's --release option would be convenient10:32
dm8tbrhttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/subprojects?project=home%3Asage10:32
kulvecurrently I just have a bunch of packages which may or may not work with a specific Mer release10:33
kulvehmm.. I could use a "stable" subproject but it would needlessly compile those packages again and it would be a bit inconvenient to maintain10:34
dm8tbrok, then you should ask someone else. my OBS knowledge is very shallow as of recently10:35
kulvemine too. I've done couple of experiments with it but nothing "real"10:36
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kulveStskeeps: I've added x-loader, u-boot 2012.07 and kernel 3.5.2 and I can create a bootable sdcard image for Gumstix Overo with single mic-command \o/10:40
kulvekernel's default config for OMAP SoCs is missing a bunch of options Mer needs10:40
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Stskeepsfk_lx: got my sms?11:14
lbtStskeeps: migrated all phosts except monster and phost111:24
lbtyou'll lose vlan110 (internal) but if you keep quiet you should keep tcp connections11:24
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lbtdone11:32
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lbttricky one coming up11:37
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jingzheI use meego obs to build libmeegotouch, but it complain error: unresolvable, nothing provides pkgconfig(maliit-1.0) >= 0.81.3.0.1, nothing provides pkgconfig(contextsubscriber-1.0) >= 0.5.25, nothing provides libmlocale-devel13:16
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jingzheanybody knows how to add dependency?13:16
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Stskeepsjingzhe:  try to branch from the project where libmeegotouch is?13:32
jingzheStskeeps: yes, I branch from here: osc copypac from project:CE:MW:MTF package:libmeegotouch revision:713:36
Stskeepsokay, and your project name == ?13:36
jingzhehome:jingzhe13:36
lbtFYI mer infra is now fully meshed VPN which means no single fail point and optimal traffic flow13:37
lbtall phosts and VMs migrated live :)13:37
Stskeepsokay13:37
jingzhe@Stskeeps: do you know how to solve the problem?13:38
Stskeepsjingzhe: don't copypac, branch13:38
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jingzheStskeeps:I tried branch from web ui, there is also some unresolved problem13:39
Stskeepsjingzhe: okay, show me the one with branch from web ui?13:40
jingzheStskeeps: please check https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libmeegotouch&project=home%3Ajingzhe13:42
jingzheI branched in this time13:43
Stskeepsif you had branched correctly, it would be in home:jingzhe:branches:CE:MW:MTF13:43
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CosmoHillhey Alison_Chaiken13:43
Stskeepsjingzhe: osc branch CE:MTF:MW libmeegotouch13:44
Stskeepslbt: can we make nagios ignore /fast ?13:44
lbtyes, annoying isn't it13:44
jingzheI used webui, now I use osc to try again13:44
lbtluckily it annoys me too :D13:44
Alison_Chaikenhey CosmoHill.     I'm in a hotel lobby in a remote resort: only place with WiFi.    I told my family I was going to the sauna.13:46
CosmoHillhaha13:46
CosmoHillyou geek :p13:46
iekkuAlison_Chaiken, :D :D :D13:46
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jingzheStskeeps: I did it, but result is same13:49
Alison_ChaikenI will go to the sauna, but I forgot to install inkscape before I got on the plane . . . new ssd is awesome, but did a clean install and forgot some packages!13:50
Alison_ChaikenBut it's rainy here, so sauna sounds lovely.13:50
Stskeepsjingzhe: what is the projected it branched into?13:51
Stskeepser, project13:51
jingzheI created my home project13:52
Stskeepsno.. :P13:52
jingzheit is empty project13:52
Stskeepswhat did osc branch exactly say in output13:52
jingzheNote: The branch has been created of a different project,               Project:MTF:MW,13:52
jingzhewhich is the primary location of where development for       that package takes place.13:53
jingzheA working copy of the branched package can be checked out with:  osc co home:jingzhe/libmeegotouch13:53
Stskeepsand what exact command line did you use?13:53
jingzheosc branch CE:MW:MTF libmeegotouch home:jingzhe13:53
Stskeepsno, just do osc branch CE:MW:MTF libmeegotouch13:54
Stskeepsno home:jingzhe13:54
jingzheok13:54
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jingzhe@Stskeeps: it is ok now, thanks.13:57
jingzheStskeeps: could you explain to me that why I branch package to my home project, it doesn't work, and your command can work?13:58
Stskeepsjingzhe: because osc branch sets up the repository configuration for you correctly13:59
Stskeepsmatching the branch13:59
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Stskeepslo javispedro14:00
javispedrohi14:00
Stskeepsjavispedro: glestest working with libEGL/GLESv2 wrapper, shaders, etc14:00
javispedroprobably stupid question, but are there binary mer touchpad images?14:03
Stskeepsi think crevetor_ has been brewing on it14:03
Stskeepsmine is a bit of a frankensetup as i use an android kernel14:03
Stskeepshttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/Touchpad14:08
jcsullinsI might be able to help out w/ an installer, once you have an image ready ...14:09
Stskeepscreating an image is a bit outdated14:09
jcsullinsor .tar + boot uImage14:10
Stskeeps:nod:14:10
Stskeepsi think it'll be a possibility once we have something saner going14:10
Stskeepsat the moment my android kernel doesn't charge while on usb, which is kinda annoying14:10
jcsullinswhich kernel are you using?14:11
Stskeepsjcsullins: well, stepping back a bit - did you see my android gpu on non-android system demo?14:11
jcsullinsbtw, if it's connected to usb (not AC) and screen is on, there's not enough mA to do it14:11
jcsullinsyeah, saw the post14:11
Stskeepsalright14:11
Stskeepsthat makes sense i guess14:11
Stskeepsi had the gpu demo rolling for 6 hours ;)14:11
Stskeepsjust to test stability14:12
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jcsullinsah, I see (from Adaptation/Touchpad page) that you are using webOS kernel14:20
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Stskeepsi use tenderloin android kernel myself14:24
Stskeepsfor my experiments14:24
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jcsullinsics branch?14:27
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jcsullinsbtw, you aware of moboot? (to dualboot)14:28
Stskeepsyeah14:28
Stskeepsi use it, but i use novacom to load kernels as i often have to mod them14:29
jcsullinsyeah, been there14:29
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Stskeepshey vgrade14:40
vgradeHi Stskeeps14:40
vgradeback from hols14:40
Stskeepshow was vacation?14:40
vgradegreat14:41
vgradeback to reality now14:41
Stskeepshehe14:41
Stskeepssaw my latest demo?14:41
vgradenice g+ demo14:41
vgradewas thinking which device to try it on14:41
vgradewas thinking Nezus 1 as that was my first14:41
vgradeNexus14:41
Stskeepsmaybe14:42
Stskeepswhat GPU is it?14:42
Stskeepsand is it gingerbread?14:42
vgradequalcom msm14:42
Stskeepsok14:42
Stskeepsarmv6 or armv7/14:42
Stskeeps?14:42
vgradev714:42
Stskeepsok14:42
Stskeepsshould be possible then14:42
vgradeprobably not got a gb build though14:42
Stskeepsmm, not sure how it works on later versions14:43
Stskeepsworth a shot?14:44
Stskeeps:P14:44
vgradeit has gingerbread14:44
Stskeepsget mer install, install mesa-llvmpipe-libEGL-devel,/ libGLESv2-devel, glibc-devel and gcc, binutils, etc14:44
Stskeepson it14:44
Stskeepsand then grab libhybris git14:46
Stskeepsmake ARCH=arm14:46
StskeepsLD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./test_egl first , then ./test_glesv214:46
Stskeepsyou need to copy android's /system in to /system first and maybe add some stuff in /system/build.prop14:46
vgradeI'm a bit behind on Mer SDK setup and ks so I'll get that current first then give it a go14:48
Stskeepsyeah14:48
Stskeepsimportant thing is an android kernel, naturally14:49
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vgradeyup, I can reuse my old page at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD14:51
lbtvgrade: feel free to test 602 install of SDK - see page14:53
vgradelbt, roger14:54
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t-loIf I branch a package in OBS from which source project should I branch? (I'm following https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedInFixingBugs)15:00
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Stskeepsit depends what you want to branch..15:01
t-loconnman, systemd, ofono.15:02
t-loFor the start.15:02
Stskeepsokay, then you follow a different path..15:02
Stskeepssec15:02
Stskeepshttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail , https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution15:02
t-loFYI I'm currently working through my own recommendations in https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172.15:03
Stskeepsok15:03
Stskeepslbt: general impression .. latency much much better15:14
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Stskeepsgood morning kallecarl15:15
lbtyes, I thought so too15:15
kallecarlStskeeps: hi15:15
Stskeepskallecarl: how are things? sorry for not answering your mail, i'm very backlogged atm15:15
kallecarlStskeeps: no hurry15:15
kallecarlthought I'd drop in to see what creativity looks like15:15
Stskeepskallecarl: did you see my latest invention video?15:16
kallecarlStskeeps: LinuxCon is a good place to get a message out15:16
kallecarlloc?15:16
Stskeepssec15:16
kallecarlStskeeps: I want to make sure that the message is accurate and what y'all want15:16
Stskeepshttps://plus.google.com/113386402913695079840/posts/Fc7o5eQ4s1X15:16
Stskeepssorry for it being on g+, just best place for me atm :P15:16
Stskeepsusing android GPU drivers on mer, basically15:17
kallecarlhybris > hubris15:17
Stskeepshybris in danish15:17
Stskeeps:P15:17
kallecarlthat will come later maybe15:17
kallecarlnice15:17
kallecarlI need to get out more15:17
Stskeepsso suddenly we can put mer-based systems on a lot more devices15:18
kallecarlexcellent15:18
Stskeepsthough there's also impact on how architectures are done on mer-side, having to deal with android wakelocks, qt5 / QPA needed to really pull it off, wayland..15:18
Stskeepsso it's more for future/next generation UI stacks, not the existing x11 ones15:18
kallecarlQPA?15:19
Stskeepsqt's lighthouse thing15:19
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kallecarlwhen you have a chance, it would be helpful to get a short bit about what's happening with MerProject15:19
kallecarlsuitable for sharing at LinuxCon15:20
kallecarlthere will be good opportunities15:20
Stskeepsbusiness as usual really, we have a bigger vendor taking part now as well, Jolla, being a vendor like any other15:20
Stskeepswhich is employing a lot of the contributors, but things still through open governance and discussion15:20
kallecarlgood to get your views about Jolla and Tizen and how they relate to Mer15:20
kallecarli'm ignorant of that stuff15:21
kallecarlmostly15:21
StskeepsTizen's really difficult to really describe.. it is sometimes a bit unclear what is going on there15:21
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kallecarlneed a spy in Samsung prolly15:21
StskeepsJolla is easier to describe, they use Mer as basis for their product15:21
Stskeepsand contributes in the open to mer15:21
kallecarlit's already in place15:21
kallecarlwith Jolla15:21
Stskeepsi'm personally working with Jolla, but at same time i still act as independent project architect15:22
Stskeepsas everybody involved understands the importance of a shared effort core15:22
kallecarlokay...and with Tizen probably will be some collaboration if appropriate?15:22
kallecarlor just dunno?15:22
Stskeepswell15:23
kallecarlI don't want to come off as more knowledgeable than I am15:23
kallecarlwhich is not much15:23
Stskeepsin practice collaboration happens between people and in upstream projects15:23
Stskeepstizen is going their own way in a very non transparent way15:23
kallecarlanother Android?15:23
kallecarlopen after the fact15:24
Stskeepsi like the work that the intel OTC people keeps on pushing into15:24
Stskeepssort-of but not on all pieces15:24
kallecarlOTC?15:24
Stskeepsintel open source technology center15:24
kallecarlah yes15:24
Stskeeps01.org, etc15:24
kallecarlthe Mother Theresas of open source15:24
Stskeepsbut samsung wise.. at least on tizen side it's a complete black hole15:25
Stskeepsi don't know, but i do hope they end up with a usable web runtime for people to use, even outside tizen15:25
Stskeepsbut that hope seems not to have been manifested so far15:26
kallecarlwhat's your sense about Plasma Active stuff?15:26
Stskeepsthis is my own personal opinion and not meant to insult anyone: i like plasma active, the people involved, but from technology wise, it might be about shooting birds with cannons. there might be a good movement to move towards more simplistic/lightweight environments on both ui and middleware stack in future15:27
Stskeepsthe people who do PA now will be the experts in mobile linux stacks in the future, as they're learning quite a lot about the environment15:27
Stskeepsand challenges15:28
kallecarlthe Mer iso certainly is in the lightweight direction compared to alternatives for PA15:28
Stskeepsyeah15:28
kallecarlvery nice and zippy15:28
kallecarlanother topic15:29
kallecarlwhat message can I carry for Mer Project?15:29
kallecarlwhat do you want people to know or do?15:29
Stskeepsthe usual vibe - we're here, we are open for contributions, we do really good work and we're professional and serious in what we do, build your products by using us ;)15:30
kallecarlgo to merproject.org15:30
kallecarl?15:30
Stskeepsyeah, or even come here and see how things -can- be done15:30
Stskeepsi personally hope people from GNOME OS will understand the need of a nice minimal core as well15:30
Stskeepsgiven their intent to put a tablet OS out in 2013..15:30
kallecarlcool15:31
kallecarla big part of the PA story is to escape the captivity of oligopoly15:31
kallecarlfreedom moves beyond just software15:32
Stskeeps:nod:15:32
Stskeepsmoment.. got a video you should watch15:32
Stskeepshttp://vimeo.com/4614122215:32
Stskeepsscott jenson's talk from mobilism this year15:32
kallecarlwho is he?15:32
Stskeepshe is previous symbian, google, apple HIG group15:33
Stskeepsdesigner15:33
kallecarli'll watch15:33
Stskeepsa genuinely good guy who wants to create next-gen computing15:33
kallecarlI sent the link to LinuxCon15:33
Stskeeps:nod:15:33
kallecarlif you think of anything you want me/us to talk about, please email15:33
Stskeepsyeah, you're still in my email queue15:34
kallecarlmight make up some little brochures15:34
Stskeepswe should bring back the mer flyers..15:34
Stskeepswe had a marketing set in old Mer15:34
kallecarlwe've been creating bizcard size brochures15:34
kallecarldo you have any marketing kinda stuff already?15:35
Stskeepsnot enough, i think15:35
kallecarlexcept website15:35
Stskeepslbt: ?15:35
Stskeepscontributions naturally always welcome to help create it15:35
lbtI have some material for site but haven't updated it yet15:36
kallecarlI understand...same for a lot of things15:36
kallecarlI'll work on something and run it by you15:36
Stskeepsalright15:36
kallecarlbrochure is small...6.5 cm x 7.5 cm15:37
kallecarl2.5x3 inches15:38
kallecarlboth sides15:38
kallecarlStskeeps: can I get the Mer logo in SVG?15:39
Stskeepsyes, it's at wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork15:39
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lbtkallecarl: feel free to bug me on this stuff too15:41
Stskeepslbt: btw, random thought: we could possibly share MDS between mer cobs and mer CI15:42
lbtdo they change at the same time?15:43
lbtis there a CI MDS? I never update it15:44
Stskeepsthere is, but i do that one15:44
lbtwe actually have cmds already btw15:44
Stskeepsok15:44
Stskeepsit desperately needs to get moved off be though15:44
lbtcmds isn't on be15:44
Stskeepsi know15:44
Stskeepsbut ci's MDS is15:45
lbtyou could update cmds and point CI at it15:45
Stskeepsmaybe15:45
lbtI do plan on migrating the VM though15:45
Stskeepsyes15:45
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Stskeepsmoving ci fe/be?15:45
lbtaswell15:45
kallecarlStskeeps: the svg...he broke...is there another one somewhere?15:46
lbtwhen's a good time for that?15:46
Stskeepslet me know when i should pause it15:46
Stskeepskallecarl: hmm15:46
Stskeepslbt: post current release?15:46
lbtwill do then15:46
lbtit's a pretty safe operation since it's copy without erase15:46
Stskeepskallecarl: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/3/3b/Mer_logo_svg.svg is a white image on a transparent background15:46
kallecarllooks like a white square in Inkscape15:47
lbtmm15:47
lbtsvg should be on wiki15:47
lbthttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/File:Mer-Logo.svg15:47
Stskeepskallecarl: try to wget it?15:47
kallecarlgot it thank you15:49
kallecarlStskeeps: I'll put some stuff together and have you look at it15:50
Stskeepsk15:50
kallecarlforget the email unless there is more to cover15:50
kulvehow come trying to get any USB stuff working is always such a PITA on omap..15:55
Stskeepskulve: usb host, or?15:55
kulvehost yes. Either OTG in host mode or the actual host port (my summit board for Gumstix Overo has both connectors)15:56
Stskeeps:nod:15:56
lbtvgrade: I'd like feedback on 6.0.2 update process if possible15:56
vgradelbt, riger15:56
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kulvenow I found an email where khilman says the whole ECHI is totally broken on 3.5. I tried 3.4.9 but I guess it's fresh enough to have the same problem. And 3.6-rc2 has probably the same issue although it prints a bit more usb debug prints. I guess I should try 3.3.8 next. Also the configuration has so many usb related options that I might have configured something wrong15:58
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t-loHey guys: assuming I found a potential problem with the systemd configuration files of a few services (connman, ofono, boardname,...) then who should I talk to?16:37
Stskeepssend a mail to mer-general@ and kick off a discussion16:37
Stskeepswiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lists16:37
Stskeepsi think16:37
t-loOkay, sounds good. I'll create a bug in the Mer tracker to reference in the mail.16:38
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tukemEvening everybody17:20
amjad_evening17:22
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Stskeepsgood evening amjad and tukem17:30
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amjad_hi Stskeeps, long time no chat :)17:38
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Stskeepsamjad_: yup17:45
amjad_so we would see mer on handset this year via jolla ?17:47
Stskeepsthat's the idea, at least17:47
amjad_i hope jolla os development happens on open , not like tizen which is all behind closed doors17:49
amjad_err, in open17:49
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Stskeepsamjad_: a lot of stuff you see in Mer is part of this :)17:57
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Stskeepsamjad_: so it is actually happening quite a lot in open18:07
amjad_great, Long live Meego/MER :)18:08
Stskeepsyup18:09
Stskeepsamjad_: i'm with jolla and so is many other mer contributors18:09
Stskeepsand jolla is 'just' another vendor in mer, with open project going on18:09
amjad_but jolla is targeting china , so i am expecting the handset manufacturer to be from china18:10
Stskeepswell, all big companies outsource their device making these days to be honest18:11
Stskeepsie, hw side18:11
amjad_yep18:11
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t-loWhat a day.18:14
t-loIt's like  rocket science to build/reproduce/fix/test/create-patch  even for a single package if you're new to the thing.18:14
* Stskeeps offers t-lo a cold beverage18:14
Stskeepst-lo: it is rocket science but i think you pick up pretty quickly18:15
amjad_is jolla also going in netbook/ivi market or just handset?18:15
Stskeepsamjad_: can't comment that, sorry18:15
Stskeepst-lo: can you walk me through the cycle above for good measure?18:15
Stskeepsjust to see where you could optimize18:16
* t-lo accepts gratefully, wiping the condensed water off the cap, then flipping it open.18:16
t-lo@Stskeeps: it's culture shock if you're used to the simplicity of OpenEmbedded (at least concerning this workflow), I tell you :)18:16
Stskeepst-lo: sure, it's different18:16
t-loNo problem w/ different, I am actually embracing everything divverent.18:17
t-loDifferent means there's opportunity to learn.18:17
Stskeepswhat i do worry about is it being too long cycle to do that, in a company, long development cycles (build-run-test-rebuild-fix-etc) costs money18:17
t-loHowever, it's *complex* here, especially the build-and-test part. And yes, I second your worries.18:18
Stskeepsso any feedback welcome on what you do :)18:18
t-loOkay, so what I miss most is that you can create own packages, and images from these packages, very easily in OE.18:20
t-loIt's almost impossible (from my current level of experience) to do this with the Mer SDK.18:21
Stskeeps:nod: or it's not explained well enough18:21
Stskeepshow is it like in OE?18:21
t-loLet me give you an example.18:21
t-loOE is an application lifecycle management framework not unlike maven (although comparing them feels somewhat odd).18:22
Stskeepsi'm fwiw, not in any way saying that our ways is the best, we're always looking to improve :)18:22
t-loSo we have to settle for a project *using* OE instead of OE itself.18:23
t-loNow I'd like to try to "just build a package" in that project.18:23
t-loMy prerequisites are ZERO. Well, OK, maybe I have a machine running a recent ubuntu (or fedora, doesn't really matter).18:24
t-loHere is what I need to do:18:24
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t-lo1) install build tools. These are *very* few for OE. So on that Ubuntu box I'd run:18:25
t-losudo apt-get install sed wget cvs subversion git-core coreutils unzip texi2html texinfo libsdl1.2-dev docbook-utils gawk python-pysqlite2 diffstat help2man make gcc build-essential g++ desktop-file-utils chrpath libgl1-mesa-dev libglu1-mesa-dev mercurial autoconf automake groff libtool xterm18:25
t-loAnd I would be set and done.18:25
t-loThen I would check out the project sources, mainly OE recipes, no real code:18:26
t-logit clone git://github.com/DFE/HidaV.git hidav-project18:26
t-lo(HidaV serving as my example OE project here)18:26
t-loEnter the directory:18:27
t-locd hidav-project18:27
t-loInitialize the build environment:18:27
t-losource hidav-init.sh .18:27
t-loAnd I would be done.18:27
t-loAs in: I can now build everything.18:27
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t-loRunning a "bitbake vim" would build VI Improved for my platform. Including all dependencies. This also includes a cross-compiler if I did not yet build one.18:28
Stskeepsokay, so bitbake vim builds a recipe?18:29
t-loNope, bitbake vim builds vim.18:29
Stskeepsokay, i meant more like..18:29
Stskeepsbitbake vim builds the vim recipe?18:29
t-loYes, it will build vim according to the recipe, and it would build all not-yet built vim dependencies.18:30
Stskeepsokay18:30
Stskeepsso did you try mer local builds?18:31
t-loI did :)18:31
Stskeepsokay18:31
Stskeepsas in, osc build18:31
Stskeepsany opinions on that/18:32
Stskeeps?18:32
t-loYupp, it did not work out, but I don't remember what failed. Not important.18:32
Stskeepshmm, interesting18:32
t-loI was able to chase down the bug I was after in the Nemo vm image.18:33
Stskeepsokay18:33
Stskeepsi wonder if we should do guides for "So you're coming from OE.."18:33
Stskeepset18:33
Stskeepsc18:33
t-loAnd fixing a bug in Mer seems to involve OBS anyways, so I've got to use it (at least this is what I take from https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail.18:34
Stskeepsyeah, i'd like to make it less dependent on that personally18:34
t-loGuides: good idea! Best  is if this would describe a very different workflow from what I tried to do.18:35
Stskeepsyeah18:35
t-loI think the main effect is that OE makes you  care about integration of what you are doing/fixing from the start, while in Mer you would probably start by yourself, possibly by checking out upstream sources, and integrate at the very end.18:38
t-loI'm just saying this because, well, I like the way OE handles this, but I know quite a few developers which can't stand that they have to consider integration all the time, and with every step they are making.18:39
t-loHowever, I'm off for today.18:40
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Stskeeps:nod: thanks for the input18:41
t-lo@Stskeeps: This topic is better being talked about in person, and maybe with a beer or two.18:41
t-lo;)18:41
t-lo@Stskeeps: You don't happen to be at FrOSCon next week, are you?18:42
Stskeepsno, my next conferences are smartdevcon and i seem to have gotten myself into FSCons in goteborg too. . then FOSDEM in feb18:42
t-loLet's meet at Fosdem, then. I'll be there, I think everybody will, as usual :)18:43
Stskeepsalright18:43
t-loLet's see, maybe I know better about building Mer packages and think better of OBS after tomorrow: I'll try to fix https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542 and https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=543, so I need the build service :)18:44
t-loSee you guys.18:45
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* Stskeeps yawns18:53
* lpotter yawns18:54
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lbt(possibly too much coffee today)18:54
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* lpotter still has an account in meego obs18:59
lbtit still ticks over18:59
Stskeepslpotter: want it enabled for community obs too?19:00
lpotterneed to remember where else I have accounts with @nokia19:00
Stskeepswell, meego.com login, i guess19:00
lpotterStskeeps: yes please19:00
Stskeepslpotter: what's your meego.com login?19:00
lpotterlpotter :)19:00
Stskeepslpotter: ^19:00
Stskeepser, lbt19:00
lbtdone :)19:00
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Stskeepshttps://build.pub.meego.com now works19:00
lbtlpotter: "have fun" :)19:01
Stskeepslbt: i'm letting gerrit queue requests for builds now, so we can reasonably move things soon19:01
Stskeepswhen it has settled down19:01
lbtOK19:01
lbtI stopped doing infra after 8hrs...19:01
* lpotter doesn't really know what power he was just handed19:01
lbtand started on raspi/electronics19:01
Stskeepslpotter: well, you can contribute to mer now and build packages on top of it ;)19:01
lbtlpotter: and Nemo19:02
lpotterjust clicked -> COBS == community obs19:02
lpotterin my head19:02
Stskeepsyep19:02
Stskeepscoffee's beginning to work19:02
lpottercaffeine is slowly integrating19:02
tukemGrr.. after just spending time looking into open bugs and then noticing fixes already exist in gerrit it really would be good to change bug status19:02
kransStskeeps, lbt : I just wrote to david and neils that I want to access https://build.pub.meego.com my meego user name is kumarkun could you help ?19:03
lpottertried nemo on my asus eeepc... couldnt figure out how to close any app19:03
Stskeepskrans: lbt is david19:03
kransStskeeps, ok good to know :)19:03
Stskeepslpotter: move mouse cursor from bottom and up19:03
lbtkrans: ... what he said :) ... done19:03
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Stskeepsor from left / right side19:03
Stskeepslpotter: poor man's swipe19:03
kranslbt, he said in irc that its done ;)19:04
lpottertried that, I think19:04
Stskeepslpotter: should be working :)19:04
lbtkrans: I mean "I am david" and "your account is enabled"  :)19:04
kranslbt, yeah i got that19:04
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Stskeepsurgh, looks like it's time for toolchain upgrade..19:08
kransgood to see lpotter here :) may be soon I will change my nick most of the nokians know me as kumarkun :)19:09
Stskeepshehe, there's always a bit of a disconnect between ones' professional login and irc nick19:10
Stskeepsi'm 'cvm' professionally19:10
Stskeeps:P19:10
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* Stskeeps really hopes a lot of interesting startups will come from all this nokia mess..19:13
Stskeeps.. and that they'll be using mer ;)19:13
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* Stskeeps reviews19:28
* w00t eyes krans19:34
kransw00t, :)19:35
w00tnice to see more familiar names19:35
kransw00t, let discuss some things in #nemomobile related to our favorite contacts domain :)19:36
w00t*g* sure19:37
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situStskeeps: What's the problem with this patch http://review.merproject.org/#change,769 ?19:42
Stskeepssitu: i'm really unsure19:43
Stskeepschecking..19:44
Stskeepssitu: actually it kinda looks like we could drop libtalloc19:45
Stskeepsi don't see anything in mer core using it19:45
situGo ahead :)19:46
Stskeepsplease file a bug with severity=task in core -> Project core to drop libtalloc19:46
situWhy did bot showed name of mesa in logs ?19:46
Stskeepsthat is a very good question19:47
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Venemo_N9guys, thx for getting double tap to wake up working19:49
StskeepsVenemo_N9: there's a bit of funny story behind that.. it just came in through a mce update19:49
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Stskeepswe were shocked to see it working19:49
Stskeeps:P19:49
Venemo_N9anyway, it was a very pleasant surprise :)19:50
Venemo_N9Stskeeps, does low power mode also work?19:52
situStskeeps: Looks fine https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=544 ?19:53
Stskeepsdoubt it19:53
Stskeepssitu: yup19:53
situOk.19:53
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jingzhehi, how to choose repository and Architectures in OBS?21:27
jingzhefor N90021:27
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VenemoStskeeps: very nice work on that android thing22:24
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