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| shmerl | Any idea what is the right way to remove a configured sb2 target? | 01:21 |
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| Paimen | good mrning | 05:40 |
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| sasikala | Stskeeps. Good Morning!! | 05:46 |
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| kyyberi | morning all | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | morn kyyberi | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | how's the child? | 07:00 |
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| kyyberi | Stskeeps: child is satisfied and happy, I'm a bit tired :) | 07:04 |
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| kyyberi | at work for a week and then off another week with the family | 07:07 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: merbot should probably not answer to bug X but MER#X in #mer-meeting | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: ^ | 07:23 |
| Sage | here it is ok to work for bug X as well | 07:23 |
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| rc_ | Sage, personally i would prefer MER#X in here as well | 07:24 |
| Sage | rc_: well that is ok by me | 07:25 |
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| rc_ | great :) | 07:25 |
| rc_ | that't more consistent and i hope i can get used to the MER#X scheme ;) | 07:25 |
| Sage | http://badger.is.great/show_bug.cgi?id=284 | 07:25 |
| Merbot | Bug 284: task, High, ---, marko.saukko, RESOLVED FIXED, upgrade openssl to current version (bug fixes, minor security issue) | 07:25 |
| Sage | ;) | 07:25 |
| Sage | dm8tbr: ^ maybe some filtering there as well ;) | 07:26 |
| timoph | x) | 07:26 |
| timoph | morning | 07:26 |
| mikhas | Sage, MER#X pattern allows to add other (upstream) bugtrackers, too | 07:31 |
| Sage | mikhas: true | 07:31 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: this is preliminary, sorry for the inconvenience | 07:34 |
| Sage | dm8tbr: ;) | 07:34 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: there will be a proper module supporting several instances of bug trackers not limited to bugzilla | 07:34 |
| dm8tbr | the bugzilla module for supybot is abandoned | 07:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: prerelease .0.2 please | 08:10 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: OK | 08:19 |
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| lbt | running | 08:24 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps: hello, in order to update a package in mer, a bug report should be create and then it should follow normal review process, is that correct or the process is different ? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: generally if you see something that needs to be done, you do it, or file a task bug for somebody to do it at one point | 08:30 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps: so if you do it yourself no need to create bug, or some system will need a id ? | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't necessarily need a bug, no | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | the idea is to be not -too- heavy on process :) | 08:33 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps: yeah, sure, but I'll just follow the instructions in the wiki, if something does not work can be improved then :) | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:37 |
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| mikhas | hi VDVsx, long time no see | 08:44 |
| VDVsx | mikhas: hey, you don't come to visit in HKI :P | 08:44 |
| mikhas | no business reason =p | 08:45 |
| VDVsx | mikhas: enjoy the good weather and cheap beer, is a good reason :P ahah | 08:46 |
| VDVsx | lbt: X-Fade: can one of you guys give me access to OSC (username: vdv100 at gmail dot com). thanks! | 08:49 |
| lbt | that's an email, not a username :) | 08:50 |
| VDVsx | lbt: vdvsx then :D | 08:50 |
| lbt | done | 08:50 |
| VDVsx | lbt: thanks! | 08:50 |
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| * w00t eyes mikhas and VDVsx | 08:56 | |
| mikhas | w00t, the good, the bad and the ugly? | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: do we have any environment variable in mic that tells me what auto login user is? | 08:56 |
| w00t | ah, but whom is what? :-p | 08:57 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: no | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | let's just say that'd be useful | 09:12 |
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| lbt | I looked at that a while back and there's a hook but it's not used much | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: is liveusb/livecd working OK again? | 09:25 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: should be yes. In my tests worked ok and also PA people tested | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | any mods to .ks? | 09:29 |
| Sage | no, all included | 09:29 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: for auto login user no env variable only the .ks line | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | can you make a patch that adds the auto login user and his/her UID somehow? | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | UID being the user id it uses | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | like 1001 | 09:30 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: what is the status of curren -next? | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: new prerelease today, we need nemo images from that | 09:31 |
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| Stskeeps | and then QA it throughoutly | 09:32 |
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| Sage | ok | 09:34 |
| Sage | lbt: new mer-kickstarter didn't made it to the sdk --next apparently. I mean the version 0.16 | 09:35 |
| lbt | Sage: I'm treating 6.0.2 as a bit of a dynamic release - otherwise we'd be at about 6.0.35 by now | 09:35 |
| lbt | so I'll update and push it | 09:36 |
| lbt | Sage: for the mic change look at _get_post_scripts_env in baseimager.py FWIW | 09:37 |
| Sage | lbt: found a bug from mer-kickstarter need to look into that | 09:38 |
| Sage | lbt: ah, didn't know about that | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: looks like we can do uxlaunch and systemd user session stuff side by side | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | that should be good for QA | 09:38 |
| lbt | Sage: FYI I'm trying to inherit urlvariables in .yaml | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | ie, we don't use /etc/xdg/autostart at all when doing systemd user, and we don | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | 't use systemd sessions when doing uxlaunch | 09:39 |
| lbt | Sage: https://gist.github.com/3402674 | 09:39 |
| lbt | but right now RepositoryURLVariables is failing totally | 09:40 |
| Sage | lbt: dude, what is - "@Nokia N950 Support" | 09:40 |
| Sage | lbt: there is Groups: in .yaml :) | 09:41 |
| Sage | lbt: you are missing - from ARCH line | 09:41 |
| lbt | yeah ... I know, I read the documentation^H^H^H^H^H^H source | 09:41 |
| Sage | :) | 09:42 |
| lbt | I have some commits for you too | 09:42 |
| lbt | how should I send them to you? | 09:43 |
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| lbt | fork on gitorious or push to a branch on mer-tools? | 09:43 |
| Sage | push to my branch in gitorious if possible | 09:44 |
| Sage | or send merge request or what ever it is | 09:44 |
| Sage | the inherit thing goes in totally wrong order atm. | 09:45 |
| lbt | can you give me push rights there | 09:45 |
| Sage | what is your nick? | 09:45 |
| lbt | lbt | 09:45 |
| Sage | done | 09:45 |
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| lbt | lbt_request branch | 09:46 |
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| Sage | lbt: about the name. I think we should do e.g. s/ /_/ for it if we use name as filename | 09:47 |
| Sage | e.g. I have - Name: Nemo Handset N900 | 09:48 |
| * Sage feels like dropping the name Handset from nemo configs | 09:49 | |
| lbt | *nod* good point | 09:49 |
| Sage | but otherwise agree with that | 09:49 |
| Sage | otoh why do we have Name there in the first place? :) | 09:50 |
| Sage | it is not really used for anything | 09:50 |
| Sage | FileName would be sufficient and also as it is could unique we could use it as id? | 09:51 |
| Sage | could be unique | 09:51 |
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| sledges | faenil welcome | 09:54 |
| faenil | yo o/ | 09:54 |
| sledges | so have you fixed your "root access impossible under Mer Platform SDK" ? | 09:54 |
| faenil | I had already added #mer and #jollamobile to autojoin list in xChat, but I think it's ignoring me :D | 09:54 |
| faenil | sledges, I did not have that problem :) | 09:55 |
| sledges | ;D | 09:55 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, I used zypper ref, but that didn't change things | 09:55 |
| faenil | still looks for 53, when server offers 62 | 09:55 |
| sledges | do you know how to get | 09:55 |
| sledges | root access on MerSDK? | 09:56 |
| sledges | is what you asked me :) | 09:56 |
| faenil | yup :) not that it wasn't working :) I used sudo | 09:56 |
| sledges | :)) understood | 09:56 |
| faenil | though I'm trying to install qt-mobility-devel | 09:57 |
| sledges | check repos | 09:57 |
| faenil | it looks for qtconnectivity1 package, and tries to download 53.rpm | 09:57 |
| sledges | zypper lr | 09:57 |
| faenil | but server has 62.rpm | 09:57 |
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| sledges | might be an offending repo | 09:57 |
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| sledges | leftover | 09:57 |
| Sage | lbt: the bug in kickstarter is that it should always first inherit stuff and then use the values that are in that section. | 09:57 |
| Sage | lbt: e.g. mer defines rootpw but I can't override it in my section as it inherits mer after it puts my stuff there :) | 09:58 |
| Sage | so had to do extra section to get over that that is inherited after mer | 10:01 |
| lbt | Sage: OK - and there's other stuff: Part override works because it checks that first in the template | 10:01 |
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| Sage | anyway, I'm working around everything atm. and trying to get nemo .ks out made with that | 10:04 |
| Sage | some of these aren't simple thus want to get .ks files out properly first. | 10:05 |
| lbt | me too - and I'm not bothered about a final tweak either atm | 10:05 |
| faenil | Sage, how do I get root with nemo target on MerSDK? | 10:05 |
| Sage | faenil: I'm not following? | 10:06 |
| faenil | Sage, I need to zypper ref on MerSDK | 10:06 |
| Sage | faenil: sudo | 10:06 |
| faenil | with nemo target | 10:06 |
| Sage | sudo zypper ref | 10:06 |
| faenil | sudo doesn't work with sb2 | 10:06 |
| faenil | that doesn't update the nemo target | 10:07 |
| Sage | lbt: http://pastie.org/4555470 is my last problem :P | 10:07 |
| faenil | shouldn't I use sb2 -t nemo-n950 COMMAND ? | 10:07 |
| faenil | only sudo zypper ref updates the non-n950 target | 10:07 |
| lbt | faenil: there's a note on that | 10:08 |
| lbt | you have to run zypper using a different profile in sb2 | 10:08 |
| faenil | oh...here's the trick :P where is that written? wiki guide? | 10:08 |
| lbt | yes | 10:08 |
| faenil | let's see | 10:08 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Target_Setup | 10:09 |
| faenil | there it is, sb2 -m sdk-install -R zypper ref | 10:09 |
| faenil | is that what you mean? | 10:10 |
| lbt | yes | 10:10 |
| faenil | thanks ;) why is that required? | 10:10 |
| lbt | it's not clear that that "cd" comment applies to general zypper - and it's needed due to the rules for 'normal' operation being minimised (think more readonly) | 10:11 |
| faenil | mm ok ;) | 10:11 |
| faenil | anyway, for future reference, I used "sb2 -m sdk-install -t nemo-n950 -R zypper ref" | 10:12 |
| faenil | lbt, is that the same as using cd and then command without -t? | 10:13 |
| lbt | no | 10:13 |
| lbt | -t says which target to use (ie base dir) -m says which lua translation rules to use | 10:14 |
| faenil | yes, ok | 10:14 |
| faenil | but the guide says to use cd and then sb2 -m blablabla without -t, to update repos | 10:14 |
| faenil | I didn't use cd and used -t, and it worked | 10:15 |
| lbt | yeah, it assumes -d in the -t above | 10:18 |
| lbt | don't forget this is a getting started guide, not a reference manual | 10:18 |
| lbt | it needs to be simple enough for first time use with links for more advanced stuff | 10:19 |
| faenil | sure :) | 10:20 |
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| faenil | mm | 10:24 |
| faenil | Installation of uxlaunch-0.64-1.9 failed: | 10:24 |
| faenil | (with --nodeps --force) Error: Subprocess failed. Error: RPM failed: Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager. | 10:24 |
| lbt | in SDK? | 10:24 |
| faenil | yes | 10:24 |
| faenil | I did ref and now was updating | 10:24 |
| lbt | SDK is not an emulator | 10:24 |
| lbt | hmm | 10:25 |
| lbt | OTOH to install uxlaunch-dev you need uxlaunch | 10:25 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ^^ | 10:25 |
| faenil | lbt, so I shouldn't use ref and up in n950 target in SDK? | 10:26 |
| lbt | actually it's interesting | 10:26 |
| lbt | yes you should | 10:27 |
| faenil | ok :) | 10:27 |
| lbt | but it shouldn't attempt to run services | 10:27 |
| lbt | or to do things like check/restart existing ones | 10:27 |
| faenil | :/ | 10:28 |
| lbt | Aard: ^^ | 10:28 |
| Aard | hm? | 10:28 |
| lbt | packaging policy and interaction of updates in sb2 targets and suchlike | 10:28 |
| faenil | I get a new "erase failed" error every time I restart the updating process now... | 10:29 |
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| Aard | lbt: yes, my last mer sdk update was a fun experience, but didn't want to comlain since the stuff I have installed is somewhat special | 10:29 |
| faenil | and no connectiong to service manager too :) before the erase failed | 10:29 |
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| lbt | Aard: Stskeeps: Sage: I think we need to have our packages ignore daemons in SDK installation | 10:30 |
| faenil | does that mean none updated packages before me? :D | 10:30 |
| lbt | I wonder how mic handles it | 10:30 |
| Aard | lbt: how is systemctl behaving if no systemd is running? I'd expect it to just ignore whatever I'm telling it | 10:30 |
| lbt | well, systemd isn't installed to the SDK | 10:31 |
| lbt | also, FWIW, this problem is in an sb2 update, not SDK update | 10:32 |
| faenil | though If I restart the updating process it goes on...and then shows same error, but on other packages | 10:32 |
| faenil | don't know if I could go on till the end in this way :) | 10:32 |
| lbt | faenil: hmm | 10:32 |
| Aard | lbt: oh, so it's "systemctl not found"? | 10:32 |
| lbt | in this case it's a dbus error | 10:33 |
| lbt | but it could be any number of things | 10:33 |
| lbt | ps | grep and issue kill :) | 10:33 |
| faenil | for instance, it showed an error while installing bluez, I aborted, restarted update, not it showed same error on ofono | 10:33 |
| Sage | lbt: ignore daemons? | 10:34 |
| Sage | lbt: like ofono, connman etc? | 10:34 |
| lbt | Sage: yes | 10:34 |
| Sage | lbt: but if systemd isn't running those do not start right? | 10:34 |
| lbt | but... what happens when I install ofono-devel ? | 10:34 |
| faenil | now connman | 10:34 |
| lbt | and it installs ofono | 10:34 |
| lbt | and then I zypper up | 10:35 |
| lbt | and ofono thinks it needs to stop/start | 10:35 |
| Sage | uh... point | 10:35 |
| faenil | yeah that's what's happening | 10:35 |
| faenil | it only happened with connman, ofono, bluez, and other like that | 10:35 |
| Sage | I though systemctl notes it is running in chroot and doesn't do anything | 10:35 |
| faenil | now sensorfw | 10:35 |
| Sage | at least for mic it does something like that iirc | 10:35 |
| lbt | I wonder if sb2 confuses systemd | 10:36 |
| lbt | faenil: this is an sb2 update? | 10:36 |
| lbt | not an sdk update? | 10:36 |
| * Sage found bug from mer-kickstarter and has no idea wtf happens | 10:36 | |
| lbt | Sage: I know exactly what you mean :) | 10:37 |
| faenil | lbt, sb2 -m sdk-install -R zypper up | 10:37 |
| lbt | faenil: log a bug, quick | 10:37 |
| lbt | 20m to triage :) | 10:37 |
| faenil | lol | 10:37 |
| Sage | lbt: http://pastie.org/4555592 repo url vars is getting cleaned after first usage | 10:38 |
| lbt | "sb2 target zypper update fails due to daemon restart issues" | 10:38 |
| lbt | Sage: *sigh* | 10:39 |
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| lbt | Sage: this needs some focus doesn't it | 10:39 |
| faenil | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=547 | 10:40 |
| Merbot | Bug 547: normal, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, sb2 target zypper update fails due to daemon restart issues | 10:40 |
| lbt | ty | 10:40 |
| faenil | np ;) glad to contribute | 10:41 |
| faenil | could it be because maybe I'm not running latest sdk? (don't know when the last one was releaesd) | 10:41 |
| lbt | no | 10:41 |
| faenil | ok | 10:41 |
| faenil | just to be sure ;) | 10:41 |
| lbt | this is a deeper issue I think | 10:41 |
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| faenil | in some way this is good, better sooner than later ;) | 10:42 |
| lbt | yes | 10:42 |
| lbt | faenil: you can try an sdk upgrade though | 10:42 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Upgrading_the_SDK | 10:42 |
| lbt | I'd like to confirm it's an sb2 only issue - I've not seen it in normal SDK use | 10:43 |
| lbt | hmm | 10:43 |
| faenil | how do I check sdk version? | 10:45 |
| lbt | do you have sdk-upgrade | 10:45 |
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| faenil | yup | 10:46 |
| faenil | but the wiki says I need a version number I have to update to. | 10:46 |
| lbt | no, use 6.0.2 | 10:47 |
| lbt | as it says | 10:47 |
| faenil | ok | 10:47 |
| faenil | then ref and up? | 10:47 |
| Sage | lbt: yes, this is something I can't work over but needs fix | 10:48 |
| lbt | I don't know where you are | 10:48 |
| lbt | faenil: I don't know where you are | 10:48 |
| faenil | lbt, gtg, will you be there in 30mins? | 10:48 |
| lbt | Sage: bug? seems like part of the overall SDK/Tools side - needs sorting for our release mechanism | 10:48 |
| lbt | faenil: probably - may be in triage | 10:49 |
| lbt | always around though | 10:49 |
| faenil | ok, will write when I'm back | 10:49 |
| lbt | iekku: note some last minute bugs | 10:49 |
| iekku | lbt, again? | 10:49 |
| iekku | :D | 10:49 |
| lbt | iekku: we never stop! | 10:50 |
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| iekku | :) | 10:51 |
| iekku | that's good | 10:51 |
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| iekku | mer bug triage starting in 4 minutes | 10:56 |
| Sage | lbt: there isn't mer-kickstarter component in bugzilla? | 10:58 |
| lbt | MINT other | 11:01 |
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| Sage | lbt: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=548 | 11:13 |
| Merbot | Bug 548: normal, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, mer-kickstarter: Global Repository URL Variables works only with the first repository | 11:13 |
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| Sage | lbt: need your help with that I'm really confused what clears the variable there | 11:21 |
| lbt | OK - sure | 11:21 |
| Sage | eh, ok. I think I got it actually | 11:24 |
| Sage | pair.popitem() removes the entry | 11:24 |
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| lbt | I don't like using pair FWIW | 11:25 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/4555788 <- needs to be reworked | 11:26 |
| lbt | it's very much "I know dict's are actually pairs in a list so I'll use that fact in the code" | 11:26 |
| Sage | I'm not disagreeing :) | 11:27 |
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| lbt | good, I may fix that area sometime then | 11:29 |
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| * Sage ponders why it is list of dict's in the first place | 11:41 | |
| Sage | it could be just dict | 11:42 |
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| lbt | uh huh | 11:47 |
| lbt | https://gist.github.com/3402674 | 11:47 |
| Sage | lbt: http://pastie.org/4555883 | 11:49 |
| Sage | happy? | 11:49 |
| lbt | I think it could just use an iterator | 11:50 |
| Sage | [{'@BUILD_ID@': 'latest'},{'another': 'variable'}] | 11:53 |
| Sage | {'@BUILD_ID@': 'latest','another': 'variable'} | 11:53 |
| Sage | if it would be the latter I would have used the iterator probably already. | 11:54 |
| Sage | hmmp | 11:57 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/4555904 | 11:57 |
| Sage | did it almost like that ;) | 11:57 |
| Sage | umm... | 11:58 |
| Sage | lbt: that doesn't work | 11:58 |
| Sage | [{'@BUILD_ID@': 'latest'},{'another': 'variable'}] <- list of dict's | 11:58 |
| Sage | need 2 loops there, right? | 11:59 |
| lbt | no | 11:59 |
| Sage | oh | 11:59 |
| lbt | I tested it here and it works | 11:59 |
| * Sage is confused | 11:59 | |
| lbt | var_dict is actuall a dict | 11:59 |
| lbt | so iter goes and extracts all keys | 11:59 |
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| lbt | nb I am no longer using a list | 12:00 |
| lbt | but that would mean changing var_dict to var_list_dict | 12:00 |
| lbt | and simply adding a useless loop round the outside | 12:01 |
| Sage | what :) | 12:01 |
| Sage | lbt: can I see rest of the changes you have | 12:02 |
| lbt | no other changes | 12:03 |
| lbt | reload past | 12:03 |
| Sage | .. | 12:03 |
| Sage | lbt: ok, so can you add more than one repo url to the .yaml and check as that really doesn't work for me | 12:04 |
| faenil | back | 12:04 |
| lbt | reload | 12:05 |
| Sage | reload what? | 12:05 |
| lbt | pastie | 12:05 |
| lbt | I actually tried this with inherited RepositoryURLVariables | 12:05 |
| faenil | lbt, if you need anything, I'm here | 12:05 |
| Sage | oh | 12:06 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/4555941 test case for second (ugly) variant | 12:06 |
| Sage | lbt: well that is very confusing syntax | 12:06 |
| Sage | in .yaml that is without - | 12:06 |
| lbt | it's 100% vanilla yaml :) | 12:06 |
| lbt | it's how you're supposed to define a dict | 12:07 |
| lbt | and a list of single-entry dicts is a bit 'ugh' | 12:07 |
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| lbt | but I accept that it may be better from a visual PoV to use lists as the - look better to users | 12:07 |
| Sage | uh | 12:08 |
| Sage | so indent determines the entries or is it the ending : ? | 12:09 |
| lbt | the : | 12:09 |
| lbt | nb we use the non-list format in "Repositories" and implicitly in, eg: the HAs (line 87-94) | 12:09 |
| lbt | indent only matters for literal strings | 12:09 |
| Sage | ah, ok now I got it | 12:10 |
| Sage | and now it makes sense when I understood it :P | 12:11 |
| lbt | https://sites.google.com/site/restflowdocs/reference/working-with-yaml is useful (I was checking how on earth the "|" quotes work | 12:11 |
| lbt | :) | 12:11 |
| lbt | my preference is to use a simple dict rather than a list | 12:12 |
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| Sage | lbt: I agree so lets reformat the syntax again ;) | 12:12 |
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| lbt | want a commit? | 12:13 |
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| Sage | lbt: you fixed the commandline parsing to that as well? | 12:15 |
| lbt | ew | 12:15 |
| lbt | will do | 12:15 |
| Sage | after that sure | 12:15 |
| Sage | I'll merge from your branch after you pushed there | 12:16 |
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| Sage | lbt: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549 | 12:27 |
| Merbot | Bug 549: normal, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, mer-kickstarter: Don't override data from local section with data inherited sections | 12:27 |
| faenil | so what should I do to be able to zypper up with sb2? :D | 12:27 |
| Sage | is the another one, but one can work around it by inheriting the options later | 12:27 |
| faenil | just wait for sdk update ? :) | 12:27 |
| lbt | faenil: remove the target or/and install another | 12:27 |
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| faenil | so that it starts with updated packages? | 12:28 |
| lbt | yes | 12:28 |
| faenil | ok ;) | 12:28 |
| lbt | if *that* is an issue then we have a problem! | 12:28 |
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| ltrvs | Hello folks:) Just did my first commit for review, is there any public CI dashboards where I can stalk how it goes? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | ltrvs: to Mer? | 12:29 |
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| ltrvs | trivial one, but just to understand how this thing works ;) | 12:29 |
| ltrvs | Stskeeps: yup | 12:29 |
| ltrvs | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/#change,776 | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | ltrvs: i have the automatic build testers down as we want to move the CI OBS in a small while to another physical host | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | but your email should now have a manual review | 12:30 |
| faenil | lbt, what do you mean? :D | 12:30 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: Could you verify https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=544 ? | 12:31 |
| Merbot | Bug 544: task, Low, ---, carsten.munk, NEW, Drop libtalloc | 12:31 |
| lbt | Sage: I'll fixup+force push my branch | 12:31 |
| ltrvs | Stskeeps: OK.just got the mail for your review, thanks" | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | ltrvs: generally when you've done a submit, just get on to next work as it's in hands of somebody else | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | until you see a -1 | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | or -2 | 12:31 |
| Sage | lbt: sure I havent pulled anything yet | 12:33 |
| ltrvs | Stskeeps: I see. As I've been a CI guy in my so called previous life, I'm used to stalk how the builds run after commits ;) | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | ltrvs: it's really quite boring, but wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Process is where we want to go | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/boss-workflow.git;a=blob;f=gerrit-hooks/patchset-created;h=98e61dd3bdab731dc1c622616f72d3e5846fe6ea;hb=HEAD is more where we're at | 12:34 |
| ltrvs | Stskeeps: ok, I'll have a look (soonish) | 12:34 |
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| ltrvs | btw, do you guys think fixing more those trivial ones is a good thing(tm), or should I leave 'em for the newcomers to come? :) | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | ltrvs: it's up to you what you want to select, all small contributions move us ahead | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | the small URL things helps us keep track of upstream releases | 12:35 |
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| Stskeeps | which in terms means we're more current | 12:35 |
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| ltrvs | Stskeeps: right, maybe I'll do couple more of those then | 12:40 |
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| lbt | Sage: force pushed lbt_request | 12:47 |
| lbt | includes s/ /_/ in filename too | 12:48 |
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| Sage | lbt: looks good merging to my branch | 12:51 |
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| Sage | lbt: merged | 13:52 |
| slaine | qq, Does systemd support /etc/init/*.conf upstart scripts ? | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | no | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | upstart is very different | 13:56 |
| slaine | k, conversion ahoy | 13:56 |
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| slaine | Finally started my migration to mer | 14:06 |
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| slaine | though bootstrapping via Fedora 17 for the moment | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | \o/ | 14:16 |
| slaine | :) | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: we're also working on systemd user sessions | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | makes life so much easier | 14:16 |
| slaine | I noticed | 14:16 |
| slaine | need to get something demo able on F17 for October which new platform on mer scheduled for Q1 2013 | 14:17 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:17 |
| slaine | targeting x86, x86 Cedar Trail and ARM (iMX iirc) | 14:18 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: nice work on the libHybris stuff btw | 14:19 |
| slaine | love the name :) | 14:19 |
| dm8tbr | he deserves thousands of liters of beer from us around the world. many thought about that, but nobody had the balls to do it. | 14:21 |
| * Stskeeps hides the mushroom cloud from bad-android-TLS-glibc interaction] | 14:22 | |
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| Oipo | Should I be scared? | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | nah, :P | 17:37 |
| w00t | yes, you should | 17:38 |
| w00t | he'll do awful things to your pthreads | 17:39 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps is not the guy to make the 'return' entrance with a car, through a glass front, into the front desk... | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i am taking a driver's license! | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:39 |
| * dm8tbr phears! | 17:39 | |
| Oipo | You're taking a *license*? Like just...taking it? | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: more polish bureaucracy.. i go to office to sign up for theoretical exam.. "you can only get 5th september 12:00" "isn't there any other choice?" "no! no other choices, ever!" | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | wtf | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:40 |
| dm8tbr | lol? | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | i wish i was kidding | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | i couldn't even schedule later in the month | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: well, considering that the prices are much less than if i was taking it in my home country, yes, it's kinda like taking it.. | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:44 |
| Oipo | Bastard. I'd have to pay about 2000 euros to get a license here. | 17:45 |
| * Oipo moves to Poland | 17:45 | |
| * Stskeeps counts | 17:45 | |
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| Stskeeps | 566-ish eur? though not sure what sworn translator will ocst | 17:45 |
| Oipo | Then again, the average income in Poland is lower too, no? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | that it is | 17:47 |
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| Estel_ | some people got driving license for ~300 euro - although, they're mainly ones that know everything about driving before getting license, so they pay 250 euro for cheap, useless "lessons" and rest for exam | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:35 |
| Estel_ | Sometimes I think I'll build some kind of flying machine that uses unlicensed height for flying, instead of getting driving license | 18:36 |
| Estel_ | itI'm just allergic to all this driving shit :P | 18:36 |
| Estel_ | anyone wanna buy zeppelin?:P | 18:37 |
| Paimen | Estel_: like crazy finns are trying to do: http://flynano.com/ | 18:37 |
| Estel_ | hm, interesting (/me reads). BTW, I'm seriously thinking about building hellium aerostat | 18:37 |
| Estel_ | aka zepellin (small one) | 18:37 |
| Estel_ | flynano - Maiden flight 11.6.2012, see blog | 18:38 |
| Estel_ | WTF? | 18:38 |
| Estel_ | shut up and take my money :P | 18:38 |
| Paimen | well they did not fly very high, so it might just be ground effect. Also flying radius etc is going to be huge problem to them :D | 18:39 |
| Estel_ | "patent pending" | 18:40 |
| Estel_ | no, don't take my money, gtfo :P | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:40 |
| Paimen | :P | 18:40 |
| Estel_ | BTw, wioth aerostats (zeppelins) it's kinda fun to think about weight | 18:44 |
| Estel_ | regular aerostat, with it's unseparable part - hellium - weight little less than 0 kg | 18:45 |
| Estel_ | by our great awesome laws, 500 meters long aerostats should be still under 70 KG license-required treeshold :P No one tried it yet, though | 18:45 |
| Estel_ | I wonder how buerocrats attempt to count it - via particle mass calculations? | 18:46 |
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| shmerl | Hi! | 19:08 |
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| Stskeeps | wello sh | 19:09 |
| shmerl | What is the right way to remove an sb2 initialized target? | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | merl | 19:09 |
| shmerl | I didn't find such details in the wiki. | 19:09 |
| shmerl | I basically tried to install Nemo target. | 19:09 |
| shmerl | And zypper up there produced tons of Dbus errors. | 19:10 |
| shmerl | So I wanted to redo it, removing it first. | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | sb2-init doesn't have a function? | 19:10 |
| shmerl | No. | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | .. sure? | 19:10 |
| shmerl | One sec. | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | well, so it doesn't | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | either way, it doesn't matter | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | just remove the rootfs it uses and re-init it | 19:11 |
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| shmerl | Just checked again - no such option. OK, I see. | 19:11 |
| shmerl | May be worth adding it there for consistency. | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps | 19:12 |
| shmerl | It's a bash script I see. | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to make a patch | 19:13 |
| shmerl | So to remove the target it's enough just to remove the rootfs? | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:14 |
| shmerl | I see that sb2-config -l reads $HOME/.scratchbox2 to get the list of targets. | 19:15 |
| shmerl | So it requires some cleaning than just removing the rootfs I guess. | 19:16 |
| shmerl | Plus $HOME/.scratchbox2/config contains the name of the default target. | 19:17 |
| shmerl | sb2 scripts are from the upstream sb2 projects? | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:19 |
| shmerl | OK, I can try doing something there. | 19:20 |
| shmerl | By the way, are Nemo images for SDK coming from http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/ ? | 19:22 |
| shmerl | SDK/SB2 Nemo section doesn't mention it. | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | i think we'll first do i486 vm images | 19:22 |
| shmerl | I mean if you read https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Setup_target it says: sudo tar xjvf /path/to/nemo-n950-image.tar.bz2 | 19:23 |
| shmerl | But doesn't say where to get it from. | 19:23 |
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| Stskeeps | sure, that's just the n950 image on r.m.o/meego/Nemo | 19:24 |
| shmerl | (It does say it from PlasmaActive) | 19:24 |
| shmerl | OK | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | and fix docs if there's errors | 19:24 |
| shmerl | I can add the link there. | 19:24 |
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| shmerl | Why aren't they going to https://img.merproject.org like the plasma active images? | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | well, because we keep a bit seperate for various reasons | 19:31 |
| shmerl | Ah, and that PlasmaActive image is more of vgrade's test anyway :) | 19:32 |
| shmerl | They never released updated ones. | 19:32 |
| shmerl | I mean for Vivaldi. | 19:32 |
| * Stskeeps is looking forward to the day where we can just take open-kernel off-the-shelf android-odm-hw.. | 19:33 | |
| shmerl | Hehe. Dreams. | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, not entirely | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | even few months ago what i'm doing with libhybris was considered impossible | 19:34 |
| shmerl | As Aseigo pointed out, most of that stuff is happening in China now. And GPL is not very respected. | 19:34 |
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| * timoph ponders if he could help in testing libhybris on a archos g9 tablet | 19:35 | |
| Stskeeps | timoph: sure, boot it up with an android kernel, get an ssh in and see how far that gets you | 19:35 |
| shmerl | What are bionic-based HW adaptations ? | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | android + mer kernel | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | shmerl: HW adaptations made for android | 19:36 |
| shmerl | I see. | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | ie, suddenly mer can be sanely used on many existing android devices | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: android + mer userland that is | 19:36 |
| shmerl | Yeah, that would break a lot of barriers. | 19:36 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: I think I'll do that as my next devaamo hack day project | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: alright | 19:37 |
| shmerl | Is it like some layer which exposes normal kernel from the android kernel? | 19:37 |
| timoph | we should have the hackday pretty soon | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | shmerl: no, it actually takes the userland parts from android / the hw drivers and allows mer to use it | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | kernel is the least issue | 19:38 |
| shmerl | Ah | 19:38 |
| shmerl | So it translates android drivers architecture into regular ones like for X11? | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not as insane as to think x11 would work ,but wayland probably would | 19:39 |
| shmerl | Yeah, X11 is heavy. | 19:39 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4558047 see the issue? | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | my plan is for future mobile platforms that may look very different from what we have today, anyway | 19:40 |
| shmerl | Such kind of thing would work sooner than vendors starting making regular (non Android) kernels/drivers. | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: err.. | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | u-boot? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | shmerl: yeah.. not a perfect solution but it reduces catch up -a lot- | 19:41 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I meant stuff is installed before filesystem package | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | that looks awkward | 19:41 |
| Sage | 1st should be setup second filesystem | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | that looks odd indeed | 19:44 |
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| shmerl | By the way, is PA usable on some Tegra 2 tablets? There was some work in that direction. Looks like Vivaldi will take forever. | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | these days archos g9 seems like best target | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | but i guess tegra2 might be a good target | 19:49 |
| shmerl | Last time I checked it wasn't optimized. | 19:49 |
| shmerl | (I.e. no GPU acceleration). | 19:49 |
| shmerl | So it wasn't really usable in daily usage. | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 19:50 |
| shmerl | I didn't take a look at archos though. | 19:51 |
| shmerl | May be Tegra got better since than as well (no idea) | 19:51 |
| rcg | well, the biggest showstopper for PA nowadays is the lack of working power management, i.e. suspend/resume | 19:53 |
| rcg | the lack of GPU acceleration is not such a big problem imho.. at least if you don't need video playback, which i don't need | 19:54 |
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| rcg | but i do need suspend/resume | 19:54 |
| shmerl | Is interface smooth without it? | 19:54 |
| rcg | very smooth | 19:54 |
| rcg | imho | 19:54 |
| rcg | tested on archos 101 g9 turbo | 19:54 |
| shmerl | Browsers rely now on GPU acceleration a lot. At least Firefox does. | 19:55 |
| rcg | there is one image that has working suspend/resume but it's pretty old by now :( | 19:55 |
| rcg | hmm.. didn't use the browser much.. but iirc it worked pretty well | 19:55 |
| shmerl | And without it - they are rather jerky. | 19:55 |
| rcg | but well.. that's some time ago | 19:56 |
| shmerl | So PA archos works without acceleration still? | 19:56 |
| dm8tbr | shmerl: there is a version with SGX | 19:57 |
| shmerl | I really just need a tablet as a e-book reader. | 19:57 |
| rcg | it does.. but still need lots of work imho | 19:57 |
| shmerl | But I wanted it to be able to run Mer/PA :) | 19:58 |
| shmerl | Not interested in buying other stuff. | 19:58 |
| rcg | btw. you can also use fingerterm on PA.. which is a huge improvement over the stock terminal with on-screen keyboard | 19:58 |
| rcg | http://ruedigergad.com/2012/08/02/fingerterm-on-plasma-active/ | 19:58 |
| rcg | and, from the newest firmware version on, you can dualboot between android and mer/PA | 19:59 |
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| shmerl | Interesting. So archos g9 sounds like the best option for Mer/PA tablet now? | 19:59 |
| rcg | but for me it still was not usable on a daily bass | 19:59 |
| rcg | think so.. | 20:00 |
| shmerl | Crashes often? | 20:00 |
| rcg | but it highly depends on your requirements | 20:00 |
| shmerl | Mostly pdf/djbu/epub reading. | 20:00 |
| rcg | actually the non-hw-accelerated image never crashed here | 20:00 |
| dm8tbr | it also was surprisingly smooth | 20:00 |
| shmerl | Plus testing Firefox builds on it ;) | 20:00 |
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| dm8tbr | most of the slowwwness I attributed to my 512M unit and slow class 4 µSD | 20:01 |
| rcg | but the last image with suspend/resume is very old and the software like the email client etc. still has quite some flaws | 20:01 |
| rcg | there are newer images but without suspend/resume | 20:01 |
| shmerl | I see. And newer ones have no supsend/resume? | 20:01 |
| shmerl | So it drains battery fast? | 20:02 |
| rcg | dm8tbr, i have the turbo version here.. it's actually pretty smooth | 20:02 |
| dm8tbr | rcg: which of the at least 3 hw revisions of it? ;) | 20:02 |
| rcg | shmerl, without suspend/resume you have to keep it on all the time.. which, for me, is not an option | 20:02 |
| rcg | dm8tbr, how can i find out? ;) | 20:02 |
| rcg | dm8tbr, 101 g9 turbo | 20:03 |
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| shmerl | Why doesn't it have it? Missing drivers again? | 20:03 |
| rcg | that's what i know xD | 20:03 |
| dm8tbr | check how much RAM it has and if it's a 4430 or a 4460 | 20:03 |
| dm8tbr | so /proc/meminfo and /proc/cpuinfo | 20:03 |
| rcg | dm8tbr, rgr.. just booting up | 20:03 |
| dm8tbr | shmerl: beating TI frankenkernels into submission is a dark art... | 20:03 |
| shmerl | :) | 20:04 |
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| shmerl | More like experimental magic it seems. | 20:04 |
| rcg | well, there is one image with working suspend/resume.. dunno why the newer images don't have it | 20:04 |
| dm8tbr | rcg: accel or non accel? | 20:04 |
| rcg | non accel | 20:04 |
| dm8tbr | because the kernel version changed completely between non accel and sgx (one comes from the HoneComb HW adaptation the other is from the IsCreamSammich) | 20:05 |
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| rcg | dm8tbr, t's 4460 | 20:06 |
| dm8tbr | maybe they moved non-accel also to the newer kernel | 20:06 |
| rcg | *it's | 20:06 |
| dm8tbr | rcg: ok, then it's at least a 'real' turbo. if you're lucky it has 1G ram, not only 512M | 20:06 |
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| rcg | mem total is 912788kB | 20:07 |
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| dm8tbr | lucky b*stard ;) | 20:09 |
| rcg | ;P | 20:09 |
| rcg | why lucky? | 20:09 |
| dm8tbr | it's the best of all the hw-revisions out there | 20:09 |
| rcg | great :) | 20:09 |
| dm8tbr | and with some of them there was no way to tell | 20:09 |
| shmerl | Are there any 7" versions? | 20:09 |
| shmerl | Or 8" and 10" only? | 20:09 |
| dm8tbr | there is a A80G9 | 20:10 |
| dm8tbr | which is as close as it gets | 20:10 |
| shmerl | OK | 20:10 |
| shmerl | Not so cheap as Vivaldi though. | 20:10 |
| rcg | well.. i just bough an archos 101 g9 turbo from amazon ;) | 20:11 |
| rcg | *bought | 20:11 |
| dm8tbr | shmerl: is vivaldi shipping now? | 20:11 |
| shmerl | No. They are stuck. | 20:11 |
| shmerl | Zenithink changed their hardware without warning. | 20:11 |
| dm8tbr | well then saying that it's 'cheaper' is a bit of a stretch... | 20:12 |
| shmerl | I'm not even sure what they are doing. | 20:12 |
| rcg | that's why i bought the archoa | 20:12 |
| rcg | *archos | 20:12 |
| shmerl | Well, yeah. I'll consider doing it as well, since I'm tired of waiting. | 20:12 |
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| rcg | shmerl, but be sure that you are getting more like a developer device ;) | 20:13 |
| rcg | however, you can still dual boot to android | 20:13 |
| dm8tbr | btw: I'd personally recommend the flash based model, not the hdd version | 20:13 |
| shmerl | I don't mind that. | 20:13 |
| rcg | dm8tbr, yeah me too =) | 20:13 |
| shmerl | How are they marked (model wise) | 20:13 |
| rcg | i'd got with the 8gb version | 20:13 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, dual booting into fully functional original firmware is awesome | 20:13 |
| shmerl | Or one needs to see detailed specs? | 20:13 |
| rcg | you can extend it with an micro sd anyway | 20:14 |
| dm8tbr | back then™ I still had to write the dual-boot menu myself! both ways! uphill! | 20:14 |
| * lpotter needs to alias git checkout as got | 20:14 | |
| dm8tbr | disclaimer: I did for Archos gen7 | 20:14 |
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| rcg | shmerl, as said, i just bought an archos 101 g9 turbo that got advertised with the 1.5ghz cpu and 1gb ram | 20:15 |
| rcg | from amazon, i.e. | 20:15 |
| shmerl | This one? http://www.amazon.com/Archos-101-G9-16GB-Turbo/dp/B005MECHLY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345493493&sr=8-1&keywords=archos+101+g9+turbo | 20:16 |
| dm8tbr | nowadays 99% of all units should be 4460 with 1G RAM | 20:16 |
| shmerl | Stskeeps: I'm now trying to install/update Nemo/N950 target, and get such an error: http://pastie.org/4558223 | 20:19 |
| shmerl | It's something wrong with the SDK, or with the image? | 20:19 |
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| faenil | lbt, ^ | 20:20 |
| faenil | shmerl, I filed a bug about that today, it's a known issue :/ | 20:20 |
| shmerl | Ah, I see. | 20:21 |
| shmerl | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=547 | 20:22 |
| Merbot | Bug 547: major, High, ---, not-taken, NEW, sb2 target zypper update fails due to daemon restart issues | 20:22 |
| faenil | yup | 20:22 |
| rcg | "Archos 101 G9 Turbo 8GB, 25,6 cm (10.1 Zoll) kapazitiv Multitouch, Android 4.0, 1.5GHz Mehrkern-Proz.+ 1GB RAM, WiFi, HDMI, GPS" | 20:24 |
| dm8tbr | sounds right | 20:24 |
| rcg | that's what the announcement said where i bought the g9 | 20:24 |
| rcg | im a little bit confused because the link provided by shmerl talks about android 3.2 | 20:25 |
| shmerl | Not a bad CPU. But you have to use older images for suspend/resume? | 20:25 |
| rcg | yes.. data around april | 20:25 |
| rcg | *dated | 20:25 |
| shmerl | OK | 20:25 |
| dm8tbr | rcg: they originally shipped with honeycomb | 20:26 |
| shmerl | It's turbo 16 GB. | 20:26 |
| shmerl | So not the same as you mentioned. | 20:27 |
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| shmerl | Shorter link: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005MECHLY | 20:27 |
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| rcg | dm8tbr, ic | 20:28 |
| shmerl | They actually don't have Archos 101 G9 8GB - Turbo in the list. | 20:28 |
| faenil | rcg, I sold my archos g9 to my brother | 20:29 |
| faenil | first version is 1ghz | 20:30 |
| faenil | turbo is 1.2ghz | 20:30 |
| faenil | 1.5 are not on market yet, afaik, due to chipset shortage | 20:30 |
| rcg | hmm.. iirc mine is 1.5ghz? | 20:30 |
| rcg | faenil, overall, how did you like it? | 20:31 |
| faenil | I hated it, that's why I sold it :) | 20:31 |
| faenil | firmware is worse than Asus Transformer's | 20:31 |
| rcg | lol :) | 20:31 |
| faenil | slower | 20:31 |
| faenil | more lag, less responsive | 20:31 |
| faenil | I hated it. | 20:31 |
| faenil | but my brother likes it, so he has it now :D | 20:32 |
| faenil | and I'll buy Nexus7 as it is released here | 20:32 |
| rcg | right ;) | 20:32 |
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| faenil | I bought it to work on my thesis | 20:32 |
| faenil | and I hoped I would have started liking it afterwards, but that didn't happen :D | 20:33 |
| rcg | http://www.amazon.com/Archos-101-Turbo-10-Inch-Tablet/dp/B0078MYN1U/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1345494795&sr=1-2&keywords=archos+101+g9+turbo | 20:34 |
| rcg | shmerl, ^ | 20:34 |
| rcg | that's the 8gb version.. which is interestingly more expensive than the 16gb version | 20:34 |
| rcg | but is "officially" advertised as 1.5ghz and android 4.0 | 20:35 |
| rcg | faenil, right, i see | 20:35 |
| rcg | what was you thesis about? | 20:35 |
| dm8tbr | faenil: the 1.5G version is the only one on the market | 20:35 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, :O worldwide? | 20:35 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, my info are updated to 3 months ago | 20:35 |
| dm8tbr | they ran out of the 4430 chips... | 20:35 |
| shmerl | rcg: I see, thanks. | 20:35 |
| faenil | I see... | 20:35 |
| dm8tbr | the 1.2GHz was a higher specced 4430 still IIRC | 20:36 |
| faenil | I knew they had some problems with 4460, I'm sure about that | 20:36 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, exactly | 20:36 |
| dm8tbr | but that was like early this year | 20:36 |
| shmerl | 10" is too big for me though. I prefer something around 7". | 20:36 |
| faenil | at least until beginning of March :) | 20:36 |
| faenil | rcg, this is my thesis | 20:37 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, back then there were at least 4 different versions on the market | 20:37 |
| faenil | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.isticnr.meshlab | 20:37 |
| faenil | yup | 20:37 |
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| shmerl | This looks like that, but 8": http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0078MYN2E | 20:38 |
| shmerl | That's archos 80 though. | 20:38 |
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| rcg | shmerl, 101 vs 80 is just the size | 20:38 |
| shmerl | OK | 20:38 |
| rcg | the version is indicated by gX like g9 | 20:39 |
| rcg | vs. g7 e.g. | 20:39 |
| shmerl | This one is cheaper too. | 20:39 |
| rcg | and then it seems they added "turbo" and introduced different "builds" from this "turbo" branded things | 20:39 |
| shmerl | Strange that 1.5 GHz one costs less than 1.2. | 20:40 |
| shmerl | (storage though is 8GB and 16GB) | 20:40 |
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| faenil | my roomate has 80 | 20:42 |
| faenil | it has a visible problem with the screen | 20:42 |
| shmerl | Btw, is cyanogen mod usable there? Or they ship their own Android images? | 20:42 |
| faenil | shmerl, there is a guy trying to port CM10 on it | 20:43 |
| dm8tbr | we've done CM7 before for gen7 and gen8 | 20:44 |
| shmerl | But their own image is usable too? | 20:44 |
| shmerl | I'd recommend it to someone who wanted an Android tablet. | 20:44 |
| dm8tbr | if it's one thing _av500_ gets right in the original firmware then it's awesome hw accelerated media playback | 20:45 |
| faenil | imho, g9 performs worse than competitors | 20:45 |
| faenil | but its price is good | 20:45 |
| shmerl | Yeah. $200 range is not bad. | 20:46 |
| dm8tbr | btw: if a very low priced unit pops up, beware could be one of those 1.2GHz models ;) | 20:47 |
| shmerl | It lists it as 1.5 on the Amazon. | 20:47 |
| shmerl | Are they misleading? | 20:47 |
| dm8tbr | is it amazon or someone selling through amazon? | 20:48 |
| shmerl | "by Archos". | 20:48 |
| shmerl | Must be their Amazon seller. | 20:48 |
| shmerl | It doesn't say about camera and microphone. Does it have them? | 20:50 |
| dm8tbr | yes, front camera. mic too IIRC | 20:51 |
| shmerl | OK. Would be interesting to test telepathy in PA, if it even works. | 20:51 |
| shmerl | Peregrine was supposed to support XMPP/Jingle through telepathy/farstream but I'm not sure if they still develop it. | 20:52 |
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| dm8tbr | I'd expect audio to work on the device without further problems | 20:53 |
| shmerl | Though Mer needs to add libvpx codec to support VP8 in farstream first. | 20:54 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: /usr/sbin/prelink: /usr/bin/pr: Recorded 5 dependencies, now seeing -1 | 20:57 |
| Sage | armv7l -latest | 20:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: remind me in the morninf | 20:58 |
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