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| tsiirone | good morning | 05:12 |
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| curiosity | good morning! | 05:32 |
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| Stskeeps | morn tukem | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | tukem: we also have #nemomobile which is ~handset ui | 05:46 |
| tukem | Morning | 05:48 |
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| tukem | I was just writing to Sage about policy framework | 05:49 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 05:50 |
| tukem | Public development appears to be as bad it was earlier | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | well, or completely dead | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:51 |
| tukem | I noticed you had some bug about some missing configurations for N950 | 05:51 |
| tukem | They just develop internally and then release every now and then | 05:52 |
| dm8tbr | ah, yes, because that has always worked so well | 05:53 |
| tukem | and they don't do any announcement so you can't even know if it is supposed to be stable | 05:53 |
| tukem | I'm just trying to think what area I could help with. Policy framework is something I have some experience in but that project is not very encouraging | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, the situation with policy framework looks a bit awkward atm | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | camera not working, some other issues too | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | ohmd crashes in boardname.. | 05:59 |
| tukem | and the great thing it crashes pretty silently | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 06:00 |
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| Stskeeps | tukem: happen to have a n900 still? | 06:04 |
| tukem | yes | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | you're welcome to try and install the latest image and see how we've developed the thing :) looks much prettier now | 06:05 |
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| tukem | I need to get a memory card and take a look | 06:08 |
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| Stskeeps | morn Andy80, stefan_schmidt_w | 06:20 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | hi ya Stskeeps | 06:21 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps, good morning :) | 06:21 |
| * stefan_schmidt_w will go on vacation later today :) | 06:21 | |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Lookign forward to it | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | i wish i had vacation, otoh, i did have 3-4 months off work.. | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:21 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Stskeeps: I had this as well before moving here. :) | 06:22 |
| dm8tbr | you had the chance to use it wisely, but nooo you had to waste it on this open source stuff. that never works out. ;) | 06:22 |
| w00t | yeah, sheesh | 06:23 |
| w00t | who'd be doing this open source stuff? | 06:23 |
| w00t | pffft. | 06:23 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | dm8tbr: yeah, all this homebrew software. From software hippies. | 06:23 |
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| stefan_schmidt_w | Better buy some real Industrial Grade (TM) software | 06:24 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | :) | 06:24 |
| dm8tbr | it's the downfall of honest commercial software making corporations! destroying jobs! horrible! | 06:24 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | w00t: No idea, maybe some people still hanging out at Woodstock? | 06:24 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | yeah | 06:24 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | dm8tbr: I even had to move countries to work for one of the tier 5 hardware manufactures to work on it | 06:25 |
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| lpotter | not software hippies. software punks | 06:38 |
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| stefan_schmidt_w | lpotter: even more distinguishing. They want to destroy every commercial software | 06:39 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | :) | 06:39 |
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| lpotter | hippies are too apathetic | 06:40 |
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| Paimen | waiting for iekku to show up, because someone mentioned punk | 06:43 |
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| iekku | \o/ | 06:44 |
| iekku | should i add "punk" to my hilights :P | 06:44 |
| Paimen | well I have hippie | 06:45 |
| iekku | haha | 06:45 |
| w00t | iekku: add it to your CV | 06:45 |
| w00t | "software punk" | 06:45 |
| timoph | hardcore software punk | 06:47 |
| iekku | i prefer "nerd punk" | 06:48 |
| iekku | but i keep telling people that i'm not nerd... | 06:50 |
| timoph | nerdcore? | 06:51 |
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| iekku | nerdcore punk? | 07:06 |
| lpotter | I dont think nerd punk is possible | 07:20 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning Ionakka | 07:23 |
| Ionakka | Stskeeps: morning \o/ | 07:23 |
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| Ionakka | :D | 07:25 |
| iekku | lpotter, one of my friends has tattoo in his fingers and pink mohawk | 07:28 |
| iekku | lpotter, text in fingers: 'punx' 'unix' | 07:29 |
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| iekku | so... | 07:29 |
| X-Fade | Let's call it dedication :) | 07:29 |
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| Stskeeps | hello fisheswilllaugh | 07:50 |
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| iekku | what a nick :D | 07:54 |
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| * iekku started to laugh | 07:54 | |
| iekku | am i fish? | 07:54 |
| timoph | seems so | 07:54 |
| timoph | one of those tropical ones I'd guess | 07:54 |
| iekku | maybe | 07:55 |
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| dm8tbr | a tropical punk-fish obviously | 07:56 |
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| sledges | moin mer :) | 08:04 |
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| slaine | monin | 08:09 |
| sledges | how are your trainings, slaine ? :) | 08:10 |
| slaine | ok, still doing my own bits to get ready for classes starting up again | 08:11 |
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| sledges | yes, important is to actually train, that's what counts, but sometimes gets hard to hit the gym when on your own | 08:13 |
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| Figure | hola | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | good morning | 08:21 |
| Figure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMMmmLCOtb4 <-- playing in loop & drinking some sparkling wine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTbKHl2aOoQ english version) :) | 08:22 |
| Figure | another thing to celeprate is that DNA fixed my fiber.. | 08:22 |
| slaine | sledges: speaking of which, my gym re-opens next week after a refurbishment. Looking forward to it. | 08:23 |
| Figure | they changed my routing to another vlan.. seems that they have crowded lines here.. :/ | 08:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Figure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0csshsxj0MA | 08:23 |
| Figure | haha :D | 08:23 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4531412 | 08:24 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: oh for crying out loud.. | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ^^ | 08:25 |
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| Sage | what package is that? | 08:28 |
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| Stskeeps | build | 08:28 |
| * Sage takes a bat and starts chasing lbt | 08:31 | |
| Sage | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/build.git;a=blobdiff;f=build.spec;h=2b618e740ac380f2f2790c85d92c9b7b1d8835b7;hp=5e75d21bcab061974b22d724f8c735ad76194cc6;hb=c461bb85a92b996b4ce31e799e6d587589c88353;hpb=21d67a6f7db58d97a4c140ebfae67feb1008977f | 08:32 |
| lbt | Sage: ? | 08:33 |
| Aard | \o/ violence, and it's not coming from me :) | 08:34 |
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| Sage | lbt: syncing from opensuse wont work out of the box you know :) | 08:36 |
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| * Aard points to the bug I made, with the vendor request about having a policy disallowing that kind of transfers ;) | 08:37 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: check sage's pastie above | 08:38 |
| * Sage is not sure if this is a dream but he agrees with Aard ;) | 08:39 | |
| Sage | We can always sync from other distros but we should not start merging those if opensuse version then this else that thigys | 08:40 |
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| * lbt looks for marc's pastie of the huge middle finger | 08:40 | |
| Aard | Sage: imo you should look at other distros for how they solve things, but never start copy'n'pasting stuff | 08:41 |
| Sage | Aard: well, that is what I meant actually :) | 08:41 |
| Aard | Sage: ah. I'll file it under 'speech impediment due to brain damage from last days' ;) | 08:42 |
| lbt | would someone explain to me how this got through snapshot and pre-release | 08:42 |
| Sage | lbt: it is in mer-next the error that is | 08:43 |
| Aard | lbt: a fairy providing me arguments for my bug guided it. | 08:43 |
| lbt | Sage: and snapshot? | 08:43 |
| Sage | lbt: I'm building against mer-next in cobs | 08:44 |
| lbt | well, no point bitching about late testing at this point | 08:44 |
| Sage | my point is mainly that before making the final release that should be fixed properly | 08:45 |
| Sage | also some of the reviews go through so fast in mer review that I don't see those. Mainly as there is no option to subscribe to all changes (or if there is please let me know). | 08:45 |
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| lbt | why is it installing build-2012.02.28 | 08:51 |
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| lbt | Sage: Aard: Stskeeps: so how come: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=i586&package=tracker&project=Project%3AMTF%3AMW&repository=Mer_Core-next_CE_MW_MTF_i586 | 09:08 |
| w00t | Sage: I really should look at how to set up gerritbot for mer | 09:08 |
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| w00t | Sage: see #qt-gerrit to see her in action | 09:09 |
| Figure | lbt: Sage: Could you problem becaused by the cache? | 09:11 |
| Figure | lbt: since in the lbt:s build log there is no mention about old package | 09:12 |
| Figure | also I've seen some strange stuff with obs and version numbering | 09:13 |
| Figure | in rpm's | 09:13 |
| lbt | we have had some issues due to us blindly following the MeeGo setup and ignoring the Release: value ... if only we didn't just blindly follow things like that :) | 09:15 |
| w00t | what is Release: actually for? | 09:16 |
| * w00t hides | 09:16 | |
| lbt | w00t: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10910 | 09:16 |
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| lbt | the 'version' of a package relates to the upstream code release | 09:17 |
| w00t | hmm | 09:17 |
| lbt | the Release relates to any modifications to that version by the distro | 09:18 |
| w00t | right, ok | 09:18 |
| lbt | can be pure packaging, can include code | 09:18 |
| lbt | annoyingly our Release value is autogenerated and the OBS resets it in various situations | 09:19 |
| lbt | it also doesn't appear in changelogs | 09:19 |
| lbt | it can't contain vendor modification | 09:19 |
| lbt | eg mer1nemo2 | 09:19 |
| lbt | it has been sucking since december 2010 | 09:19 |
| w00t | well, with git packaging, wouldn't changelogs be a bit, erm, different anyway? ('git shortlog' -> job done) | 09:20 |
| Figure | btw is there a reason why all of the wiki's use curl to get files? and not like wget ? :) | 09:23 |
| sledges | wget needs an extra silent parameter to shush the output | 09:23 |
| Figure | ah | 09:24 |
| Figure | I like the flood :) | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | Figure: for various reasons wget isnt in mer core | 09:24 |
| sledges | curls just spits out the contents, then you can redirect them/ pipe them/ process them etc before shaping into a downloaded file | 09:25 |
| lbt | Figure: sdk doesn't have wget | 09:25 |
| lbt | Sage: Stskeeps: Aard: still waiting for input on that problem | 09:26 |
| Figure | sure it gives more options but with the howto wiki the curl parameters make it look like a mess :) only good reasin is that sdk doesn't have wget :) | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, will input when at desk | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, had to grab food | 09:26 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ty | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, couldn't even concentrate to fix a qt5 build problem so | 09:27 |
| Aard | lbt: the error message tells you what you should do, quite clearly. if it uses pkgconfig in the build adding pkgconfig files should work, otherwise explicitely add the library to the ld flags | 09:27 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: well, if you can't manage something trivial like that ... ;) | 09:27 |
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| merdevice | hello mer irc | 09:28 |
| lbt | Aard: ? | 09:28 |
| Figure | lbt: should we add irssi also to tools package? :D | 09:28 |
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| lbt | Figure: nah, we have emacs now | 09:28 |
| lbt | Aard: "file /usr/lib/build/mkbaselibs from install of build-mkbaselibs-2012.05.31-1.1.noarch conflicts with file from package build-2012.02.28-1.1.noarch" | 09:29 |
| lbt | what ld flags? | 09:29 |
| Aard | lbt: you pasted this one /usr/bin/ld: note: 'g_thread_init' is defined in DSO /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 so try adding it to the linker command line | 09:29 |
| merdevice | i have a question, i want to buy a smartphone, my wish is that i can load mer or tizen (oops, wrong channel) on it. what is there to consider? | 09:29 |
| Figure | emacs is for gurus irssi is for normal people :) | 09:29 |
| Aard | err, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=i586&package=tracker&project=Project%3AMTF%3AMW&repository=Mer_Core-next_CE_MW_MTF_i586 | 09:29 |
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| lbt | Aard: yeah, that's my damn point | 09:29 |
| Aard | lbt: in that log it complains about ld, not conflict | 09:30 |
| lbt | yeah - which is not what Sage posted | 09:30 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/4531412 | 09:30 |
| merdevice | ok, asked differently, can/could i load mer on any arm, x86 device? it's usually hard to get exact info about built-in hardware | 09:34 |
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| lbt | merdevice: almost certainly not unless you have the vendor's support | 09:35 |
| Aard | merdevice: yes, if you do the hardware adaptation, if it does not exist | 09:36 |
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| merdevice | ok, so at current, i can not setup a mer without writing my own drivers in the worst case? | 09:36 |
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| lbt | that's not what you asked :) | 09:37 |
| lbt | "could i load mer on any arm, x86 device?" : no | 09:37 |
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| lbt | "Are there devices I can load Mer on?": yes | 09:37 |
| merdevice | ok, are there arm/x86 devices ready for mer? | 09:37 |
| lbt | yes, N9/N950/N900/pandaboard/RasPi/ExoPC/Touchpad.... | 09:38 |
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| Figure | :( | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: okay, i'm back | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | hit me with the issues | 09:43 |
| lbt | sage's problem: http://pastie.org/4531412 | 09:44 |
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| lbt | cobs build log https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=i586&package=tracker&project=Project%3AMTF%3AMW&repository=Mer_Core-next_CE_MW_MTF_i586 | 09:44 |
| lbt | my fresh checkout/build running in sdk matches c.obs | 09:44 |
| merdevice | thanks lbt for your answers. i guess i'm a bit early with my question, as mer is still in development, but is there a chance of backwards compatibility, is there some device where there is a high chance it will be supported by mer? | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: --clean ? | 09:45 |
| lbt | merdevice: our primary purpose is to enable vendors to make products | 09:45 |
| lbt | merdevice: so it's unlikely (but not impossible) that existing devices will run mer in the future | 09:47 |
| lbt | merdevice: there's some work being done on improving HW compatibility with Android but don't spend money based on that | 09:47 |
| merdevice | i understand that raspi (cool!) and pandapad are supported, as there is info about any piece on the board. what's special about n9, n900, n950, why are they supported? | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | because people made hardware adaptations for them :) | 09:49 |
| lbt | mainly because there are 3D gfx drivers available | 09:49 |
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| timoph | isn't archos g9 tablets supported through the plasma active work | 09:54 |
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| Stskeeps | that too | 09:54 |
| timoph | installing mer/pa on it is still on my todo list | 09:55 |
| * timoph needs to find more time to do interesting stuff and experimentations | 09:56 | |
| jukkaeklund | +1 | 09:56 |
| * jukkaeklund sent archos g9 finally to warranty repair | 09:57 | |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: clean helps yes, but we should not make people to do --clean every time we update core | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: that is true, but in this particular case you had a old 'build' there | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | and it seems like it didn't remove it | 10:08 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: has Mer ever had DeviceKit-power package | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | not to my knowledge | 10:08 |
| Sage | ok, I'm removing provides and obsoletes for that from upower then as it is badly done anyway | 10:09 |
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| lbt | Sage: I think you're missing another option | 10:09 |
| kulve | is it possible to create an bootable omap image with mic (that could be just dd'ed to sdcard to create boot and rootfs partitions)? And if it is possible, is there an example .ks somewhere? | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: is it arm or x86 build? | 10:11 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: x86 | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:15 |
| lbt | Sage: have you found the --grovelling-apology option yet? | 10:18 |
| lbt | Aard: you too ^^ | 10:18 |
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| Aard | I only saw the suse bits in there, and imo they should not be there :) | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | suse bits? | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | they do kind of though | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | we need to be damn sure build package is same in sdk and on builders, so | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | else debugging is near impossible | 10:23 |
| lbt | Aard: what Stskeeps said | 10:23 |
| lbt | build is a bit unusual in that respect | 10:23 |
| lbt | it's really developed here : https://github.com/Merproject/obs-build but I may move it to mer git | 10:24 |
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| merdevice | ok, thank you very much guys, i appreciate your work | 10:29 |
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| kulve | answering to my self with a question: is the partitioning done by the "part" keywords in here: http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/pandaboard/handset-armv7l-panda.ks ? | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:14 |
| kulve | ok. thanks :) | 11:15 |
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| kulve | I have some initial versions of x-loader, u-boot and kernel done. I figured that next I'll do an image with mic without rootfs to see if those boot | 11:15 |
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| Stskeeps | good start | 11:16 |
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| Stskeeps | hello chaitra | 11:22 |
| kulve | and now I found (again) the adaption "step by step" sub-page. I wonder why it is not linked from the main adaptation guide page. Linking.. | 11:22 |
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| kulve | how can I add package groups to my repo, like: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/next/builds/armv7l/packages/repodata/patterns.xml ? | 11:33 |
| kulve | LMGTFY: http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Metapackages.2C_Patterns.2C_and_Repository_Creation | 11:35 |
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| tsiirone | any idea why I'm getting 504 gateway timeout when making commit to obs?, checkout works fine | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | tsiirone: are you behind a proxy? | 11:53 |
| tsiirone | not currently no | 11:53 |
| tsiirone | have been struggling with that enough so I'm using N9's wlan hotspot | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:54 |
| tsiirone | worked ok two days ago, but not today | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | try again? | 11:54 |
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| tsiirone | I've trying quite many times now, for half an hour or so | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | osc -d ? | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | for debugging | 11:55 |
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| tsiirone | fails at post | 11:58 |
| tsiirone | timeout | 11:58 |
| tsiirone | I will try with another project | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 11:59 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ^ | 12:00 |
| tsiirone | hmm, let me check my history, I've might checkout it from wrong place actually as another project works | 12:03 |
| * lbt will take a look soon | 12:04 | |
| Stskeeps | well, i guess for some people there's a risk they're trying to check out their employers now closed obs | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | so check that scenario too | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:05 |
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| tsiirone | Stskeeps, yep, I was trying to commit to original project, that was the problem | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | tsiirone: alright, problem solved | 12:11 |
| tsiirone | shouldn't copy&paste&fix commands at 8am | 12:12 |
| Figure | shouldn't do anything at 8am :) | 12:12 |
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| tsiirone | Figure, well yes, but what to do between 6am and 8am then :) | 12:13 |
| lbt | run tests | 12:13 |
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| Figure | & drink something with caffeine :) | 12:15 |
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| tsiirone | day before yesterday my son (2 years) woke up at 5:55 and started to yell five-five-five as it stated on the N9's screensaver | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | just wait until he learns about 13:37 :) | 12:19 |
| tsiirone | :) | 12:20 |
| lbt | hey, careful or he could end up working for Microsoft | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | nah, that's 6:66 ;) | 12:21 |
| lbt | ( B16B00B5 ) | 12:21 |
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| kimju | tsiirone, he knows about the 555 timer IC? ;) | 12:23 |
| tsiirone | kimju, probably soon :) he knows alphabets and counts to 15 already, so shouldn't take long anymore | 12:24 |
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| VDVsx | In mer Gerrit "diff all side by side" and "diff all unifed" are currently doing the same, opening new tabs, is it possible to have the "cascade version" all diffs in the same page ? much easier to review at least for me :D | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: hmm, not sure if gerrit has that feature | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | does later versions have it? | 12:46 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps: the one that we have at Nokia, works like that, one of those two buttons that I mention does that, can't remember each one but should be the first one I guess | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: file a bug for us to upgrade our gerrit then, bugs.merproject.org | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | task severity | 12:47 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps: ok, I'll just check Qt one, I guess is the same as the internal version | 12:48 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps: yes, its the same, for example: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#patch,all,32990,2 | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that looks like a good feature | 12:51 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: our 2 workers are not doing well, will restart obsworker and add them to other vlan system | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:02 |
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| sledges | probably they need to take a sick leave.. | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | talk2sledges_not: wtf | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:20 |
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| talk2sledgesnotM | dam nick length cap :)) | 15:20 |
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| Stskeeps | hello krans :) | 15:54 |
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| krans | Hi Stskeeps am a newbee here :) | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | krans: sure :) welcome to #mer! if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time | 15:55 |
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| krans | Stskeeps:trying to flash nemo on my N9 | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, #nemomobile also exists | 15:56 |
| krans | Yeah i joined there as well , should that work out of the box if I follow the instructions at https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N9 ? | 15:57 |
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| * sledges just used reptyr to hijack irssi (running on a mosh session without screen) to a new screen and kill mosh session and still talk to you. gotta love that reptyr! | 16:02 | |
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| Stskeeps | systemd.log_level=debug systemd.log_level=console ? | 16:26 |
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| Stskeeps | good evening | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 19:10 |
| * lpotter blinks | 19:11 | |
| Stskeeps | yes, i didn't say good morning for once :P | 19:11 |
| lpotter | in a way, I wish the 31st would come quickly | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | i guess you brissies have later date of being 'free' than the offices in finland that has been laid off? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | think a lot of people sent resignation email today | 19:14 |
| lpotter | 31st is our last day | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 19:14 |
| CosmoHill | 10 of october for me if I don't renew my contract | 19:15 |
| lpotter | I would be crazy to resign | 19:15 |
| sledges | times of change.. | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | well, resign or 'take the package' | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | or whatever it is real employees do | 19:15 |
| * Stskeeps was only ever a subcon :P | 19:15 | |
| lpotter | ahh. ok. took package, but still closing down office. | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:15 |
| lpotter | looks like we might get to take some equipment with us. | 19:15 |
| lpotter | all my n tablets, greenphone, openmoko... qtoia running things | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 19:16 |
| lpotter | might get an n900 if I'm lucky | 19:16 |
| * sledges has two openmokos dusting the shelf, the real awesome thing is the stylus/pen/laser/flashlight thingy :) | 19:17 | |
| lpotter | agreed | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | i have a mint n900 for purposes of sending to someone when we have n900 hackers on mer/nemo that looses their working n900 and hence can't work/test on the hw adaptation anymore | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | still waiting for find a home | 19:18 |
| sledges | whenever one still comes over a resistive touchscreen | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:18 |
| lpotter | mostly that my hands are tied in regards to coding | 19:18 |
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| CosmoHill | can I ask, how long did you guys spend at your first jobs? | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | my first job was a paper route | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | and something like 5-6 years there.. | 19:21 |
| lpotter | I was a busboy for couple years eons ago | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | next job was at university, student programmer, 5 years.. | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | then consultant ever since | 19:21 |
| phdeswer | sledges, give me restive anyday. capacitive is impresise like hell and you don't want to use that when it is -30 outside... | 19:22 |
| CosmoHill | i've been at mine since april | 19:22 |
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| phdeswer | resistive is why I still use my N900 more than the N9 | 19:22 |
| sledges | phdeswer: http://static8.businessinsider.com/image/4b7550e50000000000da59b1/sausage-stylus-iphone.jpg | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | i kind of miss the n900 interface, my n950 isn't so much a work phone for me.. | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | as the swiss army knife n900 was | 19:23 |
| phdeswer | sledges, does not fix the "imprecise" bit | 19:23 |
| lpotter | with capacitive you can detect when your hand is hovering over screen | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter: really? even on n9 style hw? | 19:24 |
| phdeswer | Hate it to have to try 6 times to press the answer button on the N9 (imprecise + stupidly small buttons does not work well) | 19:24 |
| sledges | phdeswer: it was a joke (though used in real life :)), what I mean: I saw capacitive gloves or styluses in general for that purpose :) | 19:24 |
| lpotter | Stskeeps: I havent done any tests, just research | 19:24 |
| sledges | well, that's an opinion, phdeswer :) | 19:24 |
| lpotter | Stskeeps: I would suspect the driver drops any of those datas | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | probably. there's something to be said of gathering information from background noise | 19:25 |
| phdeswer | sledges, it is my experience with all capacitive devices I have worked with. | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | one of the researchers i worked with, did indoor positioning through background raditation.. | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | radiation, that is | 19:26 |
| lpotter | thats one way | 19:26 |
| phdeswer | Stskeeps, sounds cool. How does it deal with local variations in background radiation? | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | phdeswer: it wasn't very practical - but it's same method as wifi fingerprinting | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | the local variations are what helps deciding location | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | i spent many hours collecting wifi fingerprints myself.. even got a published paper as co-author, heh | 19:27 |
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| sledges | indoor positioning with background radiation - you still need precies location of sources of that radiation; or do you first just probe all paths like a google maps van inside a building? | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: you fingerprint each location basically and use bayesian inference(sp) | 19:30 |
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