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crevetor_ | Guys, how do I compile against mer-next in COBS ? | 00:47 |
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Ionakka | morning | 04:43 |
dm8tbr | moaning | 04:45 |
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Paimen | paintfull morning | 04:50 |
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iekku | Paimen, started your artist career? | 05:02 |
Paimen | still renovating that stupid vestibule. Need to paint architraves one more time | 05:05 |
Stskeeps | morn | 05:06 |
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Stskeeps | Sage: merging systemd, connman change | 05:32 |
Sage | \o/ | 05:36 |
Stskeeps | it turns out i had multiple copies of Core:i486 slowing down builds | 05:36 |
Stskeeps | :P | 05:36 |
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Sage | heh | 05:37 |
Stskeeps | good morning tsiirone, Figure | 05:37 |
Sage | well, now all I wanted for next mer core is there at least | 05:37 |
Figure | good morning | 05:39 |
Figure | Stskeeps: do you ever sleep? | 05:39 |
Stskeeps | Figure: i do, 22-6 normally | 05:39 |
Figure | ok :) "normally" meaning once a week? :) | 05:39 |
Stskeeps | hehe ;) | 05:40 |
Figure | I'm waiting for the cable guy | 05:40 |
Stskeeps | you know you have a good open source project when i can slip off for a nap once in a while and things keep on running and people keep on working ;) | 05:40 |
Figure | my fiber opitcs line is losing ~5% tcp/ip packates | 05:40 |
Figure | heh :) | 05:41 |
Aard | only use the other 95% of the line? :p | 05:41 |
Figure | I've tried for past three weeks :( | 05:41 |
Figure | also got some reductions from the price | 05:41 |
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Figure | also the DNA company providing the service is using some shitty inteno routers | 05:42 |
Figure | that doesn't help either | 05:42 |
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Figure | so now they have one guy coming here with measurement equipment to see where the problem is | 05:42 |
Figure | lets see if he can find it | 05:43 |
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Stskeeps | morn jukkaeklund | 05:56 |
jukkaeklund | morn stskeeps | 05:56 |
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timoph | morning | 05:58 |
dm8tbr | jukkaeklund: hw-hacking session today or tomorrow? today I can probably even free myself around 12(modulo lunch) | 05:59 |
jukkaeklund | dm8tbr, now I can't do during day today or tomorrow :| | 06:00 |
dm8tbr | and evenings are family-time... | 06:00 |
dm8tbr | what would be your proposal then? | 06:00 |
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jukkaeklund | dm8tbr, well I don't mind family but they mind :p | 06:01 |
jukkaeklund | let me think | 06:01 |
dm8tbr | ;) | 06:01 |
tsiirone | I'm getting started to fix some bugs. So here goes the first question, is this valid url for mailcap project as stated in #261 http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=mailcap.git;a=tags as for me it doesn't seem to lead to correct place at least with browser? | 06:02 |
jukkaeklund | dm8tbr, how about today evening? like after 17 sometime | 06:04 |
Stskeeps | tsiirone: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 06:05 |
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dm8tbr | jukkaeklund: sure, sounds good. | 06:06 |
Stskeeps | tsiirone: git clone http://review.merproject.org/p/mer-core/mailcap or ssh://username@review.merproject.org:29418/mer-core/mailcap | 06:06 |
jukkaeklund | sweet, where? | 06:06 |
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tsiirone | Stskeeps, yeah thanks, but I just started with task to simply fix the url in yaml file, and for me the statement in the bug seems to be wrong | 06:07 |
Stskeeps | tsiirone: yup, let me just check the bug | 06:07 |
tsiirone | Stskeeps, I mean the url that is said to be correct doesn't seem to be valid | 06:07 |
Stskeeps | ah | 06:07 |
Stskeeps | yes | 06:07 |
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Stskeeps | fedora messed up their git urls recently.. moment | 06:08 |
tsiirone | Stskeeps, http://http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/mailcap.git?a=tags would be better I think | 06:08 |
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Stskeeps | http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/mailcap.git/refs/tags maybe even better | 06:08 |
tsiirone | Stskeeps, yes, thanks. | 06:09 |
Stskeeps | tsiirone: good catch :) | 06:09 |
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Figure | is there a need for htop for mer? | 06:26 |
Figure | noticed that it's missing :D | 06:26 |
Stskeeps | check if it's in Mer:Tools or Mer:Tools:Testing | 06:28 |
Figure | Stskeeps: it's not there | 06:29 |
Stskeeps | ok | 06:29 |
Figure | I checked yesterday | 06:29 |
Stskeeps | well feel free to package it then | 06:29 |
Figure | there is powertop in testing | 06:29 |
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Figure | but after looking at it seems a bit different | 06:29 |
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alterego | Stskeeps: you're working on moving a lot of stuff from xdg auto start to systemd at some point? | 06:32 |
Stskeeps | yes | 06:32 |
Stskeeps | but not yet | 06:32 |
alterego | I want to move dialer manager (and possibly ui) there as well (currently xdg) | 06:33 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:33 |
alterego | Would you be doing that for me? or do you want me to do it? ;) | 06:33 |
Stskeeps | stay tuned for more details | 06:33 |
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Stskeeps | i just spilt coffee on my keyboard ~10 mins ago, not terribly happy panda | 06:34 |
Stskeeps | :P | 06:34 |
alterego | okay, not exactly hi prio for ke, but xdg seems like a cludge :) | 06:34 |
alterego | ke .. me .. | 06:34 |
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Stskeeps | good morning sasikala_ | 06:39 |
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sasikala_ | Stskeeps : Good Morning Carsten...How are you doing? | 06:39 |
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Stskeeps | sasikala_: i'm doing good, spending my morning processing emails i didn't yesterday | 06:40 |
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sasikala_ | oh ok | 06:40 |
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Stskeeps | and waiting for Mer to finish building so we can do a prerelease | 06:41 |
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sasikala_ | ok | 06:41 |
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lbt | morning all | 07:17 |
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curiosity | hello! | 07:22 |
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Figure | hmm | 07:26 |
Figure | so I now have a compiled version of htop | 07:26 |
Figure | how can I add it? | 07:26 |
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Figure | step three "wait for the git repo to be created" who creates it? | 07:27 |
Stskeeps | submit it to Mer:Tools:Testing as its a tool | 07:27 |
Stskeeps | different method, pester lbt :) | 07:28 |
Figure | do I even need the git repo for it? | 07:28 |
Figure | can I just submit my obs package? | 07:28 |
Figure | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=htop&project=home%3Aristoavila%3Abranches%3AMer%3AMDS%3ACore%3Ai486 | 07:29 |
Figure | that's the package :) | 07:29 |
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Figure | lbt: well I made the request anyway :) https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5834 | 07:34 |
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lbt | Figure: I'm working through a mechanism and process to store mer code and packaging in git | 07:42 |
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lbt | I'm developing it using Mer:Tools | 07:42 |
lbt | it uses pristine-tar and some scripts | 07:42 |
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lbt | so I need a git tree with an orphaned packaging branch | 07:43 |
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lbt | Figure: nb .. isn't atop better? | 07:44 |
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Figure | lbt: dont know. We used htop in Meltemi :) | 07:57 |
Stskeeps | i use htop | 07:57 |
Stskeeps | :P | 07:57 |
* lbt rejects htop on that basis | 07:57 | |
Figure | well at least htop > top :) | 07:58 |
lbt | *g* | 07:58 |
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Figure | lbt: so is there anything else that I need to do than just the submit I already did? | 07:58 |
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lbt | yeah, I've not documented the steps or released the script so it's down to me | 07:59 |
lbt | FYI I run : git init; gp_setup --existing --pristine --unpack /mer/obs/cobs/Mer:Tools:Testing/htop | 07:59 |
lbt | and it's in the right format | 07:59 |
Figure | git init; gp_setup --existing --pristine --unpack | 08:00 |
alterego | can we add DISPLAY to to user bashrc or something? | 08:00 |
Figure | lbt: gp_setup not found :) | 08:00 |
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lbt | https://github.com/lbt/git-pkg | 08:01 |
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Figure | ok that gp_setup messed up my home folder :D | 08:08 |
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lbt | sorry - but I'd really appreciate comments/fixes | 08:08 |
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Figure | was it ment to run inside mer sdk? | 08:09 |
Figure | or out side? | 08:09 |
lbt | I do both - but you need beta sdk | 08:09 |
lbt | it should run in the pkg dir | 08:09 |
lbt | so cd ~/src/htop | 08:09 |
Figure | ls | 08:09 |
lbt | git init | 08:09 |
lbt | run | 08:09 |
lbt | htop should be emtpy | 08:09 |
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lbt | if you want to get the latest 6.0.2 SDK then https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Upgrading_the_SDK | 08:10 |
lbt | this is a touch volatile atm | 08:10 |
lbt | but that just means you may need to force some rpm if there's a problem with versions | 08:11 |
lbt | (as I do this I realise I need to make many, many releases to test patches to fix upgrade bugs, installs etc... this would leave us at 6.0.124 with many Gb of wasted space on transient releases - so I'm treating 6.0.2 as a 'volatile' release) | 08:12 |
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Figure | out of space.. | 08:24 |
Figure | where did it all go.. | 08:24 |
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rughead | Does Mer have open source vpn client? | 11:01 |
lbt | openvpn | 11:01 |
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rughead | lbt: ok, thx | 11:13 |
lbt | np | 11:13 |
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Figure | lbt: any ideas why the htop package doesn't compile on arm? is the /proc/stat in different place than in i586? | 11:16 |
lbt | compile... hmm | 11:17 |
lbt | could be due to autodetect not working in qemu | 11:17 |
Figure | lbt: so should the check be patched out and just trust it's there? :) | 11:18 |
lbt | do you have a device? | 11:18 |
lbt | N900 | 11:19 |
Figure | nope | 11:19 |
Figure | Nokia took my devices :( | 11:19 |
lbt | grr | 11:19 |
Stskeeps | Figure: what error do you get | 11:19 |
lbt | OK - so in your home, build a version that has the test commented out and get someone (me) to put it on an arm device to test | 11:20 |
lbt | then you can SR that | 11:20 |
Figure | Stskeeps: in configure state | 11:20 |
Figure | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting | 11:20 |
Figure | configure: error: Cannot find /proc/stat. Make sure you have a Linux-compatible /proc filesystem mounted. See the file README for help. | 11:20 |
Stskeeps | urgh :P | 11:21 |
Stskeeps | bad confgiure check really.. | 11:21 |
Figure | lbt: a nother question is how do I define a second build target for my own project? | 11:21 |
lbt | Figure: look at https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting | 11:22 |
lbt | (it's in the 'Advanced' tab) | 11:22 |
Figure | ok | 11:22 |
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lbt | Figure: I'll delete that from Tools:Testing btw | 11:26 |
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Figure | sure | 11:30 |
Figure | lbt: I added the same repo info from testing and now I get missing packages :D | 11:31 |
Figure | unresolvable | 11:31 |
Figure | missing stuff starting from gcc | 11:31 |
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Figure | hmm maybe I'm just too fast.. now it builds it's own.. | 11:39 |
Ionakka | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78 <--- would someone happen to remember how sysuid is shut down (or where to dig the details)? | 11:40 |
Ionakka | (any pointers to (init)scripts/docs related to shutdown/reboot appreciated as well) | 11:40 |
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Stskeeps | i think "brutally" | 11:44 |
Stskeeps | it should be the one handling shutdown button ideally | 11:45 |
lbt | Figure: seems sorted now ? | 11:46 |
lbt | oh, nm - missed your comment | 11:46 |
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Ionakka | Stskeeps: you mean that it should ideally display some dialog when user presses the power button for longer? | 12:08 |
Stskeeps | yes | 12:08 |
Ionakka | (i think i remember seeing bugreport like that) | 12:08 |
Stskeeps | ie, not a lock screen | 12:08 |
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Stskeeps | or shorter | 12:08 |
Ionakka | ah | 12:08 |
Ionakka | replacing the lockscreen | 12:08 |
Ionakka | (or instant-lockscreen action) | 12:08 |
Stskeeps | not 100% surte | 12:09 |
Stskeeps | n9 just shuts down and starts a shutdown | 12:09 |
Stskeeps | at ours we have catastrophe shutdown at ~30 secs of press | 12:09 |
Stskeeps | ie, dsme handles it | 12:09 |
Ionakka | <Stskeeps> ie, dsme handles it <--- useful piece of information, thankyou | 12:09 |
Stskeeps | the catastrophe shutdown that is | 12:10 |
Ionakka | i have the feeling that there's not too much clean shutdown design around | 12:10 |
Stskeeps | systemui should handle it earlier | 12:10 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 12:10 |
Ionakka | though i can be wrong | 12:10 |
Stskeeps | we used to have "pull battery" as shutdown design | 12:10 |
Stskeeps | then we made the dsme thing ;) | 12:10 |
Ionakka | well, the "pull battery" is bit tricky with n9 ;) | 12:10 |
Stskeeps | we had n950s :P | 12:10 |
dm8tbr | and removing the Tx5 screws is part of the unboxing procedure :) | 12:11 |
Ionakka | you lucky bastards ;p | 12:11 |
Stskeeps | dm8tbr: what, screws? we didn't even have those | 12:11 |
Stskeeps | we had plastic door | 12:11 |
Stskeeps | :P | 12:11 |
dm8tbr | Stskeeps: oh, /those/ 'n950's ;) | 12:11 |
Stskeeps | microchips made of wood, etc | 12:12 |
Stskeeps | :P | 12:12 |
dm8tbr | yeppers :> | 12:12 |
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Figure | someone want to test my htop package? :) | 12:16 |
Figure | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=htop&project=home%3Aristoavila%3Abranches%3AMer%3AMDS%3ACore%3Ai486https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=htop&project=home%3Aristoavila%3Abranches%3AMer%3AMDS%3ACore%3Ai486 | 12:16 |
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Stskeeps | wb lbt | 12:24 |
lbt | reboot - radeon cursor corruption :/ | 12:26 |
Figure | :( | 12:27 |
Figure | lbt: I've got the .rpm's ready for arm | 12:27 |
Figure | lbt: if you want to test those | 12:27 |
lbt | Figure: yep, will do | 12:27 |
lbt | I have an N950 with minimal mer | 12:27 |
Figure | lbt: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/ristoavila:/branches:/Mer:/MDS:/Core:/i486/ | 12:27 |
Figure | should work fine over ssh | 12:28 |
Figure | if you have ncurses | 12:28 |
lbt | battery is dead :/ | 12:36 |
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Figure | hah my luck :) | 12:37 |
jusa_ | trying to figure obs atm, going to submit fixes for NEMO#257 and NEMO#331 soon(ish).. | 12:42 |
Stskeeps | jusa_: good luck :) | 12:42 |
* w00t wishes we had a bugbot | 12:42 | |
jusa_ | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 12:42 |
lbt | oh ffs... n900 lasted long enough to zypper ref ... type zypper in htop and it decides to shutdown :/ | 12:45 |
Figure | uuh that was close :/ | 12:46 |
lbt | ok, so do another SR for it | 12:47 |
lbt | I'll test it when I review it later | 12:47 |
Figure | ok | 12:47 |
Figure | https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5837 | 12:49 |
Figure | done | 12:49 |
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w00t | Stskeeps: https://plus.google.com/106934938516166105299/posts/ZDh2DoKKAxM <- qt5 is definitely making steps in the right direction :P | 13:02 |
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sledges | w00t, great! But if his patch was there from the beginning of days, Qt5 actually went lower on performance :)) | 13:06 |
sledges | by 0.003s, meaning - didn't change much | 13:07 |
w00t | sledges: right, i'm talking about 4.8-unpatched vs 5.0-unpatched | 13:07 |
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Paimen | w00t: have you seen this already: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2012/08/14/qcoreapplication-mini-benchmark/ | 13:08 |
w00t | Paimen: yup | 13:08 |
jusa_ | ok.. submit requests sent.. and now /me waits what I did wrong... :) | 13:12 |
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lbt | Stskeeps ... *again* ? | 13:13 |
Stskeeps | wasn't me | 13:13 |
Stskeeps | referring jusa_ | 13:13 |
lbt | have you been mentoring? | 13:13 |
* lbt shakes head | 13:13 | |
jusa_ | aw damn.. noticed a fault in patch myself when looking it through obs.. | 13:16 |
jusa_ | stupid last second changes to fixes.. | 13:16 |
iekku | Stskeeps, mushroom!!!! badger badger | 13:17 |
Ionakka | hmm... how is mer/nemo dsme maintained? | 13:23 |
Ionakka | (is there git repo etc) | 13:24 |
Ionakka | dsme in CE:MW:MTF contains generic rpm packaging files (spec/tarball/patches) | 13:24 |
Ionakka | would be interesting to know whether they're generated etc | 13:24 |
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jusa_ | well, now updated request.. | 13:30 |
dm8tbr | :) | 13:31 |
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Ionakka | stupid questions continue: it looks like the dsme is maintained as upstream tarball (coming from http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/dsme ? ) + set of patches | 13:41 |
Ionakka | (though not sure about that) | 13:41 |
Ionakka | was wondering whether it would actually make sense to have native git repo for it as there doesn't seem to be too much "upstream" activities around it | 13:42 |
Stskeeps | i think dsme as an upstream might be slightly dead by now | 13:42 |
Stskeeps | :P | 13:42 |
sledges | Ionakka, Sage has just replied the same in #NemoMobile on meegotouch-systemui: | 13:42 |
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sledges | Ionakka: "well, we don't have upstream access atm. If you do patches push them to OBS Project:MTF:UX. We should probably fork our own git tree soon though if we can't get upstream commit access" | 13:43 |
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sledges | :) | 13:43 |
Ionakka | sledges: thanks | 13:45 |
sledges | yw | 13:45 |
Ionakka | well, the wonders of git: cloning a repo is extremely easy ;) | 13:45 |
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sledges | :) pity MeeGo activities died out together with MeeGo itself; so if not git, we could call meego.gitorious.org having pulled the plug; that being a disaster &) | 13:46 |
sledges | thanks Git and Linus therefore :) | 13:46 |
sledges | he just made opensource a little bit more immortal | 13:47 |
Ionakka | true | 13:47 |
Ionakka | the "opensource immortality" is nice part | 13:47 |
sledges | which is rapidly approaching full reality :) look at Jolla on the smartphone's side, hope they will deliver big | 13:48 |
Ionakka | as i've heard public conversations of nokia "killing meego" which doesn't make any sense... if the tech is available as open-source, no single entity can "kill" it (prevent others from utilizing it for their own purposes) | 13:48 |
sledges | as OSS is such a great power, provided you wield it right | 13:48 |
sledges | but Nokia left some cards in their hands to pretty much strangle it to the point where we have no nice apps (as Nokia's Facebook/Mail/... clients for MeeGo/Harmattan were closed source) | 13:49 |
Ionakka | sledges: they aren't that untrivial | 13:50 |
Ionakka | well, mail client isn't that trivial | 13:50 |
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Ionakka | but there's a lot of available building blocks, one just needs to tinker ui fitting the platform | 13:50 |
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sledges | hopefully, with the help of QML an equiv open source facebook app could reborn, I really like the N9's fb app though, and pity the bugs it still has | 13:51 |
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Ionakka | hmm... i'm wondering if facebook provides some public api that can be used to write clients for it | 14:01 |
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Ionakka | without having to mimic web browser that is :p | 14:02 |
Figure | ls | 14:02 |
sledges | SOAP or along those lines should be exposed, remember looking at that back in a day | 14:02 |
sledges | look for Facebook API | 14:03 |
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iekku | dm8tbr, it's Aard who handles the snakes | 14:07 |
Aard | snakes? | 14:07 |
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fk_lx | hi all :-) | 15:08 |
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sledges | hi fk_lx | 15:11 |
sledges | :) | 15:11 |
fk_lx | hi sledges | 15:13 |
fk_lx | :-) | 15:13 |
sledges | y'alright? :) | 15:14 |
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lbt | yay - solved the stupid 'tap0' won't start bug on infra :) | 16:50 |
Stskeeps | woo | 16:50 |
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lbt | phost 8+9 up btw | 16:51 |
Stskeeps | good | 16:51 |
lbt | how's prerelease schedule? | 16:51 |
* lbt planning to go out dancing later - would like to kick it off < 19:15 UK time and finish up cobs when I get home | 16:52 | |
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lbt | don't mind a late night though | 16:52 |
Stskeeps | i'll just check | 16:53 |
Stskeeps | anniversary, etc, so i'm a bit offline | 16:53 |
lbt | yeah - good point | 16:53 |
Stskeeps | looks like we're ready though | 16:53 |
Stskeeps | yup | 16:53 |
Stskeeps | go for it | 16:54 |
lbt | yep - workers look kinda dead :/ | 16:54 |
lbt | only 5 left | 16:54 |
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lbt | cobs updating | 18:46 |
Stskeeps | ok | 18:46 |
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* lpotter is lucky most of the code I worked on for Nokia is FOSS | 19:16 | |
Stskeeps | yeah, i had same feeling | 19:16 |
Stskeeps | i did a lot of work on meego arm and it never was wasted | 19:17 |
leinir | yeah... i was only there for two and a bit months, and i can't even tell you what it was, nor that it'll never see the light of day :P | 19:17 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:18 |
lpotter | ya. so much potential wasted | 19:19 |
leinir | at least it wasn't, say, some new platform that was almost ready for release or something, now /that/ would've really sucked... | 19:19 |
Stskeeps | meh, we'll do better in Jolla :) | 19:20 |
leinir | Oh definitely :) | 19:20 |
leinir | no double-faced idiots on the board in there, just people who know what they're doing, always a nice thing :) | 19:21 |
lpotter | too many cooks spoil the pot | 19:21 |
timoph | evening | 19:21 |
leinir | True :) | 19:22 |
* Stskeeps ponders idly if he knows what he's doing | 19:22 | |
Stskeeps | :P | 19:22 |
Stskeeps | i don't truly think so, but it seems to work out nicely so far | 19:22 |
* lpotter doesnt and makes it up as I go | 19:22 | |
timoph | pretty much my way of doing things as well :p | 19:22 |
lpotter | for whatever reason, it's really difficult to get motivated at work lately | 19:23 |
Stskeeps | i think none of the recent waves of kicking out linux-minded people has been pleasant for anybody involved | 19:26 |
Stskeeps | i'm amazed i lasted as long as i did.. many good people from my team that didn't get their contracts prolonged | 19:27 |
timoph | yep | 19:27 |
Stskeeps | but it did cost me 4-5 months of no work anyway | 19:27 |
timoph | well, you did do mer in that time | 19:28 |
Stskeeps | that is true | 19:28 |
timoph | I wouldn't call that a waste of time | 19:28 |
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Stskeeps | of course, but it was erm, a fair bit of money if i have had a job in same time, in terms of effort | 19:29 |
timoph | true | 19:29 |
timoph | at least you had fun things to work on | 19:30 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 19:30 |
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CosmoHill | what is the difference between jolla and mer? | 19:32 |
Stskeeps | big different | 19:32 |
Stskeeps | mer is a open source project to build a mobile core that vendors can use to make products | 19:32 |
Stskeeps | jolla is a vendor that uses mer to build products | 19:32 |
CosmoHill | when I left meego I had to pick between the two | 19:32 |
Stskeeps | you mean tizen and mer | 19:33 |
CosmoHill | ah yes, my mistake | 19:33 |
Stskeeps | there's nothing like debugging qt5 build errors when you discover it's using old tarballs, fwiw | 19:34 |
CosmoHill | fwiw? | 19:38 |
Stskeeps | for what it's worth | 19:38 |
CosmoHill | ah thanks | 19:39 |
w00t | Stskeeps: and also asking for help looking into it, so you feel even bigger a fool? :-p | 19:39 |
CosmoHill | it sucks when you can't figure out why anything you do fixes the problem only to realise it's an old copy / binary | 19:40 |
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beford | anyone has a pandaboard? | 22:04 |
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beford | is it necessary the rs232 cable to change the OS? | 22:04 |
phdeswer | bedford: nope cable not needed. You can rewrite the sd on your pc. But it helps. | 22:05 |
phdeswer | And check #pandaboard they can help you for sure | 22:05 |
beford | thanks, makes sense to ask there too :) | 22:05 |
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