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| Agron | Hello, is there an ISO for x86 of Mer? I would like to see what it is in a virtualbox. | 02:21 |
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| beford | there is a vbox image | 02:23 |
| beford | mer is well just a core | 02:23 |
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| beford | so there's not much to "see" on vbox, except what core packages are included and a prompt | 02:24 |
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| Agron | I am looking for an environment to run Qt C++ and QML applications on touch panel. I just want to run Qt examples on it. What do I need? | 02:34 |
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| jonni | Agron: QtCreator + N900/N9/N950/HP TouchSmart/Lenovo T10-3T/ExoPC/(or simimal hardware which supports touch)? | 04:15 |
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| aifff | where is vbox image? on the window | 04:35 |
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| jjardon | Hi, a question about .spec file: the %define debug_package %{nil} makes obs to not create the debuginfo rpm, rigth? | 05:05 |
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| Stskeepz | jjardon: think so | 05:06 |
| Stskeepz | good moring Ionakka, sniff | 05:06 |
| jjardon | so seems not a good idea (A manager here is proposing to add this to all the spec files) | 05:07 |
| Stskeepz | jjardon: yes, that's a bit of bad idea - you can disable that in OBS supposedly though | 05:08 |
| Stskeepz | jjardon: why would you want not to make them, btw? | 05:08 |
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| jjardon | Stskeepz: I think they want to have debug symbols in the normal rpm, without create -debuginfo rpms | 05:11 |
| Stskeepz | ah, that's not good.. | 05:11 |
| Stskeepz | have you seen webkit debug symbols lately | 05:11 |
| Stskeepz | trust me, debuginfo is just easy to deal with | 05:12 |
| jjardon | I agree, but in case they keep asking, what is the correct way to do this? (have symbols in normal rpm and do not create -debuginfo) | 05:13 |
| Stskeepz | you could probably add %define debug_package %{nil} in the project config under Macros: | 05:13 |
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| Bostik | good grief, debuginfo straight in webkit package? | 05:15 |
| Stskeepz | Bostik: management :) | 05:15 |
| Bostik | term "PHB" springs to mind | 05:15 |
| Paimen | Bostik does not need coffee this morning he is awake already | 05:16 |
| Bostik | I don't drink coffee | 05:16 |
| Paimen | I know | 05:16 |
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| Bostik | and that's for the benefit of everyone... | 05:16 |
| Paimen | have you read article how count stakula misuses matcha | 05:16 |
| Bostik | no, should I? | 05:17 |
| Stskeepz | Bostik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1lYo7gXuhg | 05:17 |
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| Paimen | well at morning he just shakes tablespoon full of matcha to 0.5l water and shakes and drinks that "liquid" | 05:18 |
| Bostik | :D | 05:18 |
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| Paimen | also he mixes matcha to long-drinks and other alcohol | 05:19 |
| jjardon | thanks Stskeepz ! | 05:22 |
| Stskeepz | jjardon: be prepared for your installed image to blow up 150x | 05:23 |
| Stskeepz | higher application load times (bigger file to search through), etc | 05:23 |
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| jjardon | Stskeepz: yeah Ill warn people about this bad decision | 05:30 |
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| Bostik | assuming ARM binaries with thumb instructions are 50% smaller than x86-32 binaries... webkit package would be a whopping 160MB *larger* with debug symbols | 05:36 |
| Bostik | just to get a nice starting figure :) | 05:36 |
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| lbt | Agron: ping | 07:28 |
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| lbt | -> coffee | 07:42 |
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| mike7b4 | morning folks, is it possible run kernel for x86 with gma500 (more exact kernel 3.4) in mer? | 07:51 |
| mike7b4 | (its an embedded intelpc with gma500 chip) | 07:52 |
| Bostik | can't think of a reason why not, but you need to spend some effort with the EMGD drivers | 07:53 |
| mike7b4 | Bostik, with 3.4 I not there is a FOSS kernel driver thats wwhy I want that version instead of EMGD. | 07:55 |
| mike7b4 | i meant in 3.4 there is a foss driver. | 07:56 |
| Stskeepz | kernel driver yes, but no 3d accel | 07:56 |
| mike7b4 | no need for that it just will show a qmldialog with some buttons... cant gwt debian compile 3.4 so need fast solution thats why I thougt maybe mer is.solution hmm... | 08:00 |
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| Bostik | should work | 08:00 |
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| mike7b4_workn9 | second q is there any guide howto build custom kernel in mer? | 08:10 |
| Stskeepz | hello ovasyura :) | 08:11 |
| ovasyura | hello Stskeepz :) | 08:12 |
| Stskeepz | ovasyura: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time | 08:13 |
| Bostik | mike7b4_workn9: I'd just take an existing kernel package and modify the specfile (and .config) to suit your needs | 08:13 |
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| ovasyura | yes. Usually. I am investigating SDK and just connected to irc. First my task will be trying to integrate Sphinx speech recognition engine and my Qt library fo it. It was made for Meego. | 08:15 |
| lbt | ovasyura: sounds good | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | ovasyura: should be good for IVI, too | 08:16 |
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| ovasyura | What is the plan for Qt? I see there is two available version of Qt: 4.8.1 an 5.0 are vavailable in mer repositories. What will be used by default in Mer? | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | ovasyura: when qt5 is stable it might be default, right now you can ask to have qt5 if you need it, during build process | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | the idea is run-time is possible to install both at same time | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | but build-time you need to do them independently | 08:27 |
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| mike7b4_workn9 | bostik, ok | 08:47 |
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| jussi | does mer run on Galaxy s3? | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | what SoC is that? | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | generally: if you can muster a kernel 2.6.32 or above and you can flash your own root file system to it and boot those two, you can run mer | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | rest is hw adaptation | 09:19 |
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| jussi | its some samsung thing, hang on a sec | 09:24 |
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| jussi | kernel version is 3.0.15 | 09:25 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Stskeeps: the devil is in the details though. :) | 09:25 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Stskeeps: At least Samsung devices should be unlocked. | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | 'rest' is the hard part | 09:26 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | heh | 09:26 |
| jussi | http://www.stuff.tv/news/phone/news-nugget/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-quad-core-processor-is-confirmed | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | working to make it easier though | 09:26 |
| * stefan_schmidt_w remembers his days on porting linux 2.6 on 2.4 based mobile phones | 09:26 | |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Man that is 7 years back now. | 09:26 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | I'm getting old | 09:26 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Stskeeps: The easiest thing would be if all hardware support would be in the mainline and arm kernel flexible enough to boot on different hardware | 09:28 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | That will be some more years and hw generations though it seems | 09:28 |
| Jucato | you're probably lucky. not many are able to get that experience and knowledge nowadays. (unless you're working/connected to that industry) | 09:29 |
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| melonipoika | hello everybody | 09:48 |
| melonipoika | first time here... I just installed the mer SDK and i am having problems when creating an image following the instructions on the wiki: "Unknown command: <?xml " | 09:49 |
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| melonipoika | any tips? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | what command gave you that? | 09:50 |
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| melonipoika | sudo mic create fs mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.ks -o . --pkgmgr=yum --arch i486 --compress-disk-image=tar.bz2 | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | how did you get the .ks? | 09:51 |
| melonipoika | curl -k -o mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.ks https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/latest/images/mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot/ | 09:52 |
| lbt | *sigh* | 09:52 |
| melonipoika | i guess that was the mistake... i didn't specified the ks file.. | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: what was the issue there? | 09:52 |
| lbt | docs are a bit fuzzy | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but the command line looks weird | 09:53 |
| melonipoika | works now... sorry :( | 09:53 |
| lbt | yeah - it makes assumptions about users level of bash knowledge :) | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | please to fix then, second time somebody runs into it :P | 09:54 |
| lbt | melonipoika: np - you followed what looks like a cut'n'paste | 09:54 |
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| melonipoika | yep :-) copy paste first, then read :-( | 09:55 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Building_an_image better? | 09:55 |
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| melonipoika | thanks :-) | 09:58 |
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| lbt | mer release meeting in 28m Stskeeps? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | i guess we can just summarize now | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | another snapshot tonight i hope | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | i have to catch build status | 10:32 |
| lbt | wanted to raise packaging versions and rolling updates | 10:32 |
| lbt | ie to say that the next release would move to SPEC_REL | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 10:33 |
| lbt | yeah | 10:33 |
| lbt | we're screwed on CI_CNT | 10:33 |
| lbt | maybe do it this release | 10:34 |
| lbt | oh wait, that's tomorrow :) | 10:34 |
| lbt | and we've no pre- yet :( | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | that's the idea tonight | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | not done building yhet | 10:34 |
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| Sage | mer re meeting today? | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | i can't do two meetings at same time | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | let's just sync here if possible | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | hello ariak :) | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | vesse: is CrashReports guy still in leonidas too? | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: what could we use instead of openvpn? | 12:18 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: http://www.tinc-vpn.org/news/ | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 12:47 |
| lbt | it does mesh | 12:48 |
| lbt | so any node2node traffic is direct, not via a hub | 12:48 |
| * Stskeeps is so happy he's not in warsaw city centre at the moment -- first they close down a major traffic artery and a bridge due to a water river found underneath the city.. and then they find an unexploded ww2 bomb | 12:49 | |
| Stskeeps | not a good day for traffic | 12:49 |
| lbt | ouch | 12:49 |
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| dm8tbr | ordonance disposal in metropolitan areas has always huge impact (pun intended) | 12:50 |
| Figure | does that tinc vnc auto detect if node2node is possible? e.g. if you are behind nat you actually might need a hub | 12:51 |
| crevetor | hi guys | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | morn crevetor | 12:51 |
| lbt | Figure: not sure tbh - I'm mainly planning to use it on 'public' hosts in a datacenter where | 12:51 |
| lbt | all nodes are on the internet direct | 12:52 |
| jussi | bah, what was that scheme that Nokia has for small companies to get unused patents? | 12:52 |
| vesse | Stskeeps: yes he is | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | vesse: good | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: windows phone 7 and bankruptcy auctions? | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:53 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: lol | 12:53 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: I was being serious though | 12:53 |
| jussi | I know what it was, I just dont remember it now :P | 12:54 |
| vesse | Stskeeps: how come? or just out of curiosity :) | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | vesse: ran into crashreports and pondered if it was another leonidas invention :) | 12:56 |
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| Figure | any ideas how I get access to api.ci.merproject.org? | 13:35 |
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| Stskeeps | Figure: https://build.ci.merproject.org but you really only need it in rare cases | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | what do you need it for? | 13:41 |
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| Figure | I dont know :) I just followed the instructions and it mentioned that address and the meego one :) | 13:42 |
| Figure | so I should be fine with the meego since it works | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:43 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: connman and systemd patches to fix the main bugs submitted should be added to next release. | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:43 |
| sledges | \o/ | 14:44 |
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| lbt | xdelta depends on glib | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | xdelta? | 15:23 |
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| lbt | binary delta | 15:32 |
| lbt | needed by pristine tar | 15:32 |
| lbt | suse has a glib2 patch | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:33 |
| lbt | just built - good | 15:33 |
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| phaeron | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=pristine-tar&project=home%3Aiamer%3Apristinetar maybe it can help | 15:36 |
| lbt | sec iamer - door | 15:37 |
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| lbt | phaeron: it's the xdelta I need | 15:49 |
| phaeron | ah ok | 15:49 |
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| lbt | and it needs to use xdelta1 to be compatible with pristine-tar in other distros (format) | 15:50 |
| lbt | anyhow, done now | 15:50 |
| phaeron | why do we care about other disto | 15:50 |
| phaeron | *distro | 15:50 |
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| curiosity | good evening folks! | 15:55 |
| lbt | phaeron: same reason our tarballs should unpack on other distros | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | hello Bungo :) | 16:45 |
| Bungo | Hi room :-) | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | Bungo: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time :) else feel free toh ang out | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | to hang out, that is | 16:46 |
| Bungo | Just got a N900 , for it's Debian capabilities , and is looking for options ... Is installing Easy-Debian right now | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, new mer isn't debian originated | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | but it does look shiny together with Nemo | 16:47 |
| dm8tbr | and you can make calls with it | 16:49 |
| Bungo | He..He - I actually have an iPhone for calling , but had to get a phone that gave access to Xterm + SSH etc .... I don't even have a sim-card in the N900 | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:52 |
| Bungo | So it's mostly for playing around ... Is it easy to "Brick it" ? ... I mean really brick it , as in you'd need a Jtag to revive it ? | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | it's really damn difficult to brick it | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | but don't touch NOLO's areas in mtf | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | mtd | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | and watch out with overclocking | 16:54 |
| Bungo | Oki - Thnx | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | and whatever you do, don't clear your CAL area | 16:56 |
| ovasyura | How can I create image from my sb2 target? Unfortunately I could not find any information about it. | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | ovasyura: theoretically you could just take the file system directly, but in practice you would make rpms , create a repo, and include it in .ks file and mic the mage | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | hello pocek_ | 17:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: going to spend some time over the next evenings updating qt5 | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | as we're getting close to beta | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | and then start on my wayland development environment in a more replicateable manner | 17:07 |
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| pocek_ | Hi | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | pocek_: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time | 17:13 |
| faktorqm | hello all | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | hello faktorqm :) | 17:16 |
| faktorqm | :) I installed nemo on my n900 and it is running from the microSD, and I reported 2 bugs on nemo.bugzilla. What I need to do? just wait and keeping reporting more bugs? or I will be involved in another process in the future? | 17:18 |
| faktorqm | it's my first time reporting bugs, sorry :) | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | faktorqm: you're always welcome to help fix them too ;) but in practice we do a bug triage every week | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | and then bugs will be prioritised and handled | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | and hopefully people fix them too | 17:19 |
| faktorqm | oh! I realized | 17:19 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps: okay | 17:20 |
| crevetor | faktorqm: hi | 17:20 |
| crevetor | can you test something for me on your N900 | 17:21 |
| faktorqm | I'm not a programmer, so, I don't think that I can help you too much, but in the future I hope to learn qt | 17:21 |
| faktorqm | of course! glad to help | 17:21 |
| faktorqm | Stskeeps: the dmesg has many messages about firmware and another things missing, which is the correct way to report that? (if there is a bug to report) | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | faktorqm: that's fairly normal :) | 17:23 |
| faktorqm | OK | 17:23 |
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| faktorqm | the keyboard shortcuts present on maemo, should work on meego? There are replacements? for example http://nokiaexperts.com/tips-shortcuts-handy-tidbits-nokia-n900-user-guide/ | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | can we do this in #nemomobile instead? | 17:24 |
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| faktorqm | oh! for sure | 17:24 |
| faktorqm | what is exactly nemomobile ? a compilation of mer project for handhelds? | 17:25 |
| crevetor | faktorqm: does the camera app work ? | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | nemo is a handset UI on top of mer | 17:25 |
| faktorqm | ahhh ok | 17:26 |
| faktorqm | crevetor: no, no at all | 17:26 |
| crevetor | faktorqm: ok | 17:26 |
| crevetor | faktorqm: that's all I need ;) | 17:26 |
| faktorqm | the app doesn't launch when you open the camera objective. if you close desn't close too. if you open the app within or without the camera lens opened, always you see all black | 17:27 |
| faktorqm | you access to the flash options, and all the things, but you always keep seeing all black | 17:28 |
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| Figure | so I've just created rpm packages how can I test that those work? :D | 17:44 |
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| crevetor | Figure: are they in a repo (did you build them with obs) ? | 17:49 |
| Figure | crevetor: I used the osc local build | 17:49 |
| Figure | so I know where the files are | 17:49 |
| Figure | but I'm not sure how to deploy those to the environment I'm using | 17:49 |
| crevetor | Figure: then you can scp the files and use rpm -ivh | 17:50 |
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| Figure | crevetor: scp where? I'm inthe scratch box env.. | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | Figure: what env are you using exactly? :) | 17:52 |
| crevetor | oh ok | 17:52 |
| Figure | Stskeeps: the mer compilation env | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | Figure: just sudo rpm -ivh then | 17:52 |
| Figure | I upgraded the tcl package and now I want to test that it works before actually submitting | 17:52 |
| Figure | conflicts... | 17:55 |
| Figure | ah | 17:55 |
| Figure | perfect | 17:55 |
| Figure | hmm | 18:02 |
| Figure | lbt: so is there still a problem with the tcl? :) it seems we did some dublicate work :) | 18:04 |
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| Figure | any idea how to get my www.meego.com account to work with build.pub.meego.com ? | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | ask lbt or X-Fade to enable it | 18:13 |
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| lbt | Figure: I'm just running tk tests now | 18:14 |
| Figure | lbt: ok. At least the build passes with the new version | 18:14 |
| lbt | yep - and gitk is now running inside SDK | 18:15 |
| pvuorela | do people usually find new merge requests on their own, or should i be bugging someone to get stuff reviewed? :) | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | pvuorela: mer or nemo? | 18:16 |
| pvuorela | mer. | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | pvuorela: usually it's picked up by the automatic review checker, and then somebody manually reviews it | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | don't worry about it, once you've done the submit, you can go on to next you'd like to do | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | as it's in someone else's hands until a bad review comes back to you | 18:17 |
| pvuorela | alright. | 18:18 |
| * Stskeeps takes a look | 18:18 | |
| Stskeeps | looks fine, at first glance | 18:19 |
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| Figure | Stskeeps: that might take some time.. | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | nah, not that bad | 18:22 |
| lbt | Figure: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/tk.git;a=summary | 18:23 |
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| Figure | lbt: ok so you added tk also | 18:24 |
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| lbt | yep - the main issue now is that it needs some fonts - not sure which | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | liberation-sans-* ? | 18:25 |
| lbt | yes, it works with them | 18:25 |
| lbt | I meant more what the minimal dependency set was | 18:25 |
| Figure | based on the comments on the bug I didn't bother to update the tk part. Since as you commented that no one seems use it anyway :) | 18:25 |
| lbt | I just like gitk :) | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | i used to do tcl for eggdrop. | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:26 |
| lbt | and hate having to move out of the SDK to use it | 18:26 |
| Figure | I still do tcl for eggdrop but you dont need tk for that :) | 18:26 |
| Figure | lbt: makes sense | 18:26 |
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| curiosity | and good night! | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | good evening situ | 19:01 |
| situ | Hey Stskeeps | 19:02 |
| situ | What's going on ? | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | not much, waiting for builds to wrap up | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | building qtbase and fixing up packaging to prep for qt5 beta | 19:02 |
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| situ | Ok :) | 19:03 |
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| Figure | good night | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | nite | 19:51 |
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| Tal | Hi all! | 20:21 |
| beford | hi | 20:21 |
| Tal | Can I run Mer with VMware or Xen? | 20:21 |
| beford | yes | 20:21 |
| Tal | <beford> Any link? | 20:22 |
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| beford | let me see | 20:22 |
| beford | but, you want just mer core? | 20:23 |
| beford | or something on top of mer | 20:23 |
| beford | like nemo, plasma, etc | 20:23 |
| Tal | <beford> Does it makes any different to the virtualization? | 20:24 |
| Tal | <beford> Another question: can I run in in chroot | 20:24 |
| Tal | ? | 20:24 |
| beford | yes chroot is supported | 20:24 |
| Tal | On Debian | 20:24 |
| beford | download the platform SDK | 20:24 |
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| beford | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 20:24 |
| Tal | <beford> There's a guide there? | 20:25 |
| beford | yes | 20:25 |
| beford | that will allow you to develop for mer | 20:25 |
| Tal | Oh see it. Thanks. | 20:25 |
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| Tal | <beford> Thanks. I still don't understand why you don't support the Deb packages however. | 20:27 |
| beford | I think its because of OBS. but I'm not a Mer developer :P | 20:28 |
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| lbt | well, we have emacs :) | 22:26 |
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