Monday, 2012-08-13

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alteregoWhat an ungodly time to be up ..02:21
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crevetor_alterego: what time is that ?02:29
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alterego3:30am02:31
crevetor_ouch02:31
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iekkumorning03:00
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alteregothis coach is ridiculously hot ..03:06
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dm8tbrmoaning04:29
Paimenmorning04:30
alteregomoaning04:33
dm8tbralterego: that's what I tend to dislike about business trips. getting up at 3 in the morning and then possibly having to stay awake till midnight04:36
alteregoyeah :/04:37
dm8tbralso I've had my share of 'fun' with LHR while going through there for ELC this year and carrying a prototype in a huge orange pelican case...04:38
dm8tbr5 or 6 'random' security checks... gah! the last one _inside_ the gate and next to the finger04:39
alteregolol04:40
alteregoI've been pretty lucky with security and checking in in the past, so any day now I'm expecting something bad :)04:41
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jusa_:q05:15
jusa_whoops, wrong terminal :)05:16
dm8tbrhehe05:16
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Stskeepsgood morning05:33
Ionakkamorning05:36
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Figuremorning05:48
Stskeepsmorn Figure05:48
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Stskeepsgood morning antseppa06:05
antseppamorning06:05
Stskeepsantseppa: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :)06:06
antseppaStsKeeps: Thanks! I will.06:07
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Stskeepsgood morning sonach06:14
sonachStskeeps: good morning :)06:15
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Stskeepsgood morning Mardy, Andy8006:34
Andy80Stskeeps, hey good morning :)06:34
MardyStskeeps: 'morning!06:34
Andy80Mardy, OT: do you live in Finland too? I didn't know it :)06:36
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MardyAndy80: yep, moved here 6 years ago06:37
Andy80Mardy, me just temporary, I'll leave at the end of this month (Tampere)06:37
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timophmorning06:50
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Stskeepshello donza :)07:31
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alteregojukkaeklund: in hel the next couple of days? i arrive this evening :p07:55
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slainemorning folks08:29
iekkumorning08:30
Stskeepsmorn slaine08:30
sledgesgood morning08:30
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Paimenpaintfull morning08:44
Paimenit seems there is more paint over me than on ceiling08:44
Stskeepshehe08:44
sledgesfor me its painfull morning, after a karate weekend :)08:45
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jukkaeklund___alterego, likely not..08:58
lbtmer-sdk-i486-chroot-full-6.0.2.tar.bz22012-Aug-12 23:25:001.0Gapplication/octet-stream  <-  a full SDK image is a bad idea08:58
Sagelbt: full sdk image?09:00
lbtall the tools, all the cross- compilers, python dev, ruby dev, debugs09:00
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lbtah, I thought that was too big - that's an uncompressed tar - if you tell mic to '--pack-to=tar.bz2' it creates an uncompressed tarball  should be '--pack-to=.tar.bz2'09:09
phaeronlol09:10
lbtand no, it now needs the filename - apparently it ignores the kickstarter one09:11
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Sage:D09:20
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slainesledges: where you at a tournament ?10:40
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Stskeepslbt: iekku's not entirely up to speed so do you want to drive triage, i'll modify bugs?10:44
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StskeepsREMINDER: Mer bug triage in #mer-meeting in 15 minutes10:46
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Stskeepshello xbarmar11:04
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jingzheanybody can help me how to install qt lib to mer sdk?11:06
Stskeepsjingzhe: zypper in libqt-devel should do it11:07
jingzheI should use sb2 -t mer-core -m sdk-install -R zypper ****?11:07
Stskeepsinstall yes11:07
jingzhehow about MeeGo lib?11:07
Stskeepslike which?11:07
jingzhelibmeegotouch11:08
Stskeepsyou add the repository where it's in, to zypper11:08
Stskeepszypper addrepo11:08
jingzheok, let me try11:09
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jingzheStskeeps, after I install libqt-devel, I run command "sb2 qmake" and "sb2 make", nothing happens11:20
jingzhemy application is very simple meego application11:20
Stskeepsjingzhe: in sdk itself, zypper install make11:21
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jingzheit getting better, about libmeegotouch, which repository has it?11:22
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jingzhenow the compilor error is cannot find "MApplication" header file11:24
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jingzheI need to install meego in my platform11:24
Stskeepsjingzhe: find a .ks for Nemo and take repositories from there11:25
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sledgesslaine, no just a test-schooling, but it was hell of a training :)12:14
slainenice12:15
slaineI started back at Taekwon Do at the start of the year, been on summer break for a few weeks now, feel myself getting softer ;)12:15
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sledgesand you'll be muscle-achy once back ;) but is a great feeling, gives you a hint of being alive and kicking :D12:18
sledgesI do modern sports karate (european scientific martial art), got my little club here alone in UK12:18
sledgesall sportspeople -- mostly engineers/geeks, truly enjoying12:18
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slainenice12:24
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slaineI've been doing bits and pieces at home, 5 mins here, 10 mins there, to make sure I don't forget my new patterns etc.12:24
slainehave to start revising the earlier patterns too, wanna do another grading before xmas12:25
sledgesaye, keep up the good work12:26
sledgesI bet olympics have added up the motivation ;)12:26
sledgesespecially in HD and slow motion, hail britain and 21st century :)12:26
slainelol, didn't really get to watch much of it. Watched all the Irish boxing matches and some of the athletics, but that was about it. Spent most of the time walking in the woods :)12:28
sledges:))12:29
sledgesgetting off topic, but out of curiosity, why did you choose and stuck with TWD?12:29
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crevetorHey guys, a couple of questions12:45
Stskeepsmm?12:45
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crevetor1) Do you know if PA2 now depends on having GL acceleration ?12:45
crevetorIt used to be able to run without it but I'm not too sure anymore12:45
Stskeeps-should-12:46
crevetor2) Are the instructions for building against mer in COBS still valid ?12:46
crevetorStskeeps: I'll have to investigate what's happening then : PA2 starts, I get the splash screen then after a while it disappears and I only get a black screen12:47
Stskeepscheck xsession-errors12:47
crevetorStskeeps: as for question 2 I get an unresolvable ans it says that systemd depends on filesystem >= 312:47
crevetorStskeeps: I did but it's *very* verbose12:47
Stskeepswhat .ks?12:47
crevetorWhat ks for the repo ?12:48
Stskeepsthe .ks you use12:48
crevetorI don't use a .ks in my repo12:49
Stskeepsno12:49
Stskeepsunresolvable where?12:49
Stskeeps:P12:49
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Stskeepsyes, they should be balid12:49
Stskeepsvalid12:49
crevetorhere : https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=ts_srv&project=home%3Acrevetor%3Abranches%3Ahome%3Asmoku%3Astreak12:49
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Stskeepsthat looks awkward12:50
crevetorI think I kbnow why12:51
crevetorlet me check12:51
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crevetoryeah neverminf12:52
crevetorI had an old filesystem package in my project12:52
Stskeepsah12:52
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lbtcobs has mips scheduler running fwiw13:42
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Stskeepsok13:44
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Juhi24IMO meego.com should link to Mer instead of Tizen14:03
Juhi24or both. But linking only to tizen in the header is just wrong...14:04
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StskeepsJuhi24: life isn't fair :)14:12
Stskeepsi think we both have claim to some extent14:12
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Juhi24Stskeeps: I guess so. Only that our claim is not heard.14:15
Stskeepswell14:15
Stskeepstake a look at #tizen /names vs #mer /names14:15
Stskeepsi think that it's better than instead of living up to meego expectations, we do things in the way we do and gain respect from what we do14:15
stefan_schmidt_wThe See you next time banner for the meego conference is also funny14:16
Stskeepsyeah..14:16
Stskeepsi wouldn't have minded to go to the famed las vegas meego conference14:17
Stskeeps:P14:17
Juhi24hehe :D14:17
stefan_schmidt_wdubai conf anyone?14:17
StskeepsJuhi24: either way, in the end, those of us who are involved in tizen or mer have to work together in upstream components anyway14:17
Stskeepsthere's things OTC do that's great for everybody in mobile linux14:17
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Stskeepsand when you look at tizen ivi and mer.. well, a fair lot of stuff in common14:18
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slaineThey even named some of their build system after mer's ;)14:18
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stefan_schmidt_wslaine: And mer named it after SuSe? :P14:19
Stskeepsfakeobs14:19
Stskeeps:P14:19
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stefan_schmidt_wDocScrutinizer: wasup?14:19
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stefan_schmidt_wDocScrutinizer: long time no see14:20
slainestefan_schmidt_w: I meant fakeobs14:20
stefan_schmidt_wslaine: ah, I thought only OBS :)14:20
slaine:)14:20
stefan_schmidt_wDocScrutinizer: still having your openmoko cloak. Hard core man :)14:20
alteregobbiab14:24
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Juhi24Stskeeps: True true. Nothing against Tizen here. Just though it would be cool if Mer was more widely recognized to atract more enthusiasts and so on.14:31
Stskeeps:nod:14:31
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crevetorStskeeps: Do you have pointers on how you got mer to use the GL parts of Android ?14:51
Stskeepswill have to discuss later, bbl14:51
crevetorStskeeps: ok see you14:52
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Venemo_N9Stskeeps, is your presentation available somewhere?18:08
Stskeepsdidn't dm8tbr put up some webm stuff recently?18:08
* dm8tbr will msg Venemo_N9 the link18:09
Stskeepsk18:10
dm8tbrthe files are not yet publicly linked through the website18:10
Venemo_N9thanks dm8tbr :)18:10
dm8tbronce they are you can twitter, plus, fakebook, whatever them ;)18:11
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Venemo_N9dm8tbr, why aren't they now ?18:20
dm8tbrVenemo_N9: I don't admin the actual website18:25
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Venemo_N9dm8tbr, ok18:32
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* lbt would like someone to help verify an SDK upgrade process18:46
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gpradehello19:12
Stskeepshello gprade19:13
CosmoHillhi19:13
gpradesorry, but i did not understand it realy, so i must ask again19:13
Stskeepssure?19:14
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gpradewhy can you not use (now) the whole meego project, i thougt it is open, stskeeps, you could be the chief of meego, i ask because i like the little meegons an the design of the marketing19:15
Stskeepsgprade: it isn't truly a open project, to be honest19:16
gpradebut what is not open?19:16
Stskeepsmeego was closed in such a way that it could never really be opened again19:16
lbtand the word "MeeGo" is trademarked by Linux Foundation19:16
Stskeepsmeego isn't, the infrastructure, the handling of the trademark19:16
Stskeepsconsider the meego dream living on in mer and tizen :P19:17
gpradecan you buy the not open parts?19:17
Stskeepsi don't have that kind of money19:17
Stskeeps:P19:17
lbtgprade: why would we want to spend money on a word?19:17
gpradenot only the name, the design is that what i like19:18
Stskeepsthat is probably even more difficult19:18
gpradeof the little pictured people, i think they call them meegons19:18
Stskeepsas that was made by intel19:18
Stskeepseither way, the newest hot brand seems to be Jolla instead19:19
gpradebut do you ever asked the people who have the rights about meego? maybe if you ask, they say ok, you can have ist19:19
gpradeit19:19
Stskeepsgprade: yes, it has been discussed19:19
Stskeepsand it wasn't a very nice direction to go in, too much cost, red tape, contracts, etc19:20
Stskeepswe're perfectly happy in mer where we are :)19:20
gpradeand what they say? they can not earn anything with meego, why not give the project to you?19:20
Stskeepsbecause that's not how things work .. first off it's costs related to trademarks, server costs, obligations..19:21
Stskeepsi'm happy with the branding we have in mer and community we've built around it.19:22
gpradesad, sad, sad, i liked these things realy, now you must all this stuff create new19:22
Stskeepsfor companies it seems to go in tendency that people are caring less about platform and more about experience19:22
lbtyeah - we have T-shirts now - far too late to change :)19:22
Stskeepsgprade: on the contrary, we made the mer artwork before meego existed19:22
situlbt: Good point, what do we have to get the T Shirts ? :)19:23
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Stskeepsgprade: and mer as such isn't selling to end users19:23
lbtsitu: I've run out now - I think I have 2-4 XXL and XXXL left19:23
Stskeepsthat was one of the problems of meego19:23
lbtor XL and XXL19:23
gpradei like your wallpaper, i use it on my desktop-pc as wallpaper19:23
situCan I get XL ?19:23
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lbtsitu: sure19:23
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lbtlet me go check19:24
Stskeepsgprade: anyway, http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/07/jolla-promises-meego-will-live-on-plans-new-smartphone/19:24
Stskeepsthat's what is going on these days19:24
gpradei read it, but first i must see a product, till now there is nothing, like with tizen, no product yet19:25
Stskeepssure19:25
Stskeepsanyway, they're mer based19:25
gpradei now19:25
gpradeknow19:26
* Stskeeps has to get some sleep19:26
Stskeepsnight19:26
gpradegood night19:26
lbtsitu: 1 XL and 2 XXL :)19:27
situXL should do, but I am not sure about european sizes.19:27
Stskeepslbt: we should probably do a new batch btw19:28
lbtI'm looking for a supplier19:28
Stskeepsalright19:28
Stskeepsi don't presume it'd be cheaper here in .pl?19:29
lbtsitu: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00126.html19:29
situDo we have any pictures of the T shirts ?19:29
dm8tbrhttp://www.abload.de/img/b1nqmu.jpg19:30
dm8tbr<3 google picture search19:30
situCool.19:32
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gpradewhat is the next milestone for mer?19:44
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GNUtoohi dm8tbr20:16
GNUtooI saw that: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2012/04/booting-nemo-galaxy-nexus-i9250/20:17
GNUtooI've some difficulties for booting GNU/Linux on this device too20:17
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dm8tbrGNUtoo: my only involvement was the 'funky' cable20:19
GNUtooyes I need this cable20:19
GNUtooI've already an usb connector20:19
GNUtoois it the same cable than nexus S20:19
GNUtoo?20:19
GNUtoobasically I build the kernel, I boot it and then it's stuck on the bootloader, no indications whatsoever of something20:20
GNUtoo*bootloader splash20:20
GNUtooI tried ramconsole but since it didn't reboot it failed to keep the log20:20
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dm8tbrGNUtoo: the important bit is to get the console device right20:26
GNUtooah ok20:26
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GNUtoothat's easy20:26
GNUtoottyFIQ020:26
GNUtooand then you type one command in the debugger20:27
GNUtooto get the console20:27
dm8tbrGNUtoo: you must have a cable that exposes the ID pin or has the right resistor applied to it against ground20:27
GNUtooI've that:20:27
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dm8tbrso, what's the problem then?20:27
GNUtoohttps://www.sparkfun.com/products/1003120:28
GNUtooI don't know how to make the cable20:28
GNUtoowhat's the right value of the resistor20:28
GNUtoois it a 150k resistor?20:29
dm8tbrif you are ordering from sparkfun anyway, get their FTDI UART USB board too20:29
GNUtoolike that: http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/S5PC110Bootloader20:29
GNUtooI've it already20:29
GNUtooand I've ftdi too20:29
GNUtooI've no soldering iron here tough, and that's a big issue20:29
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GNUtooaltough I know someone who has one20:30
dm8tbras the linked page says: 620 kOhm20:30
GNUtoook20:30
dm8tbrI pieced it together out of two values I found lying around20:30
GNUtooahh I didn't saw the link20:30
GNUtoothanks a lot1!!!!20:31
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