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| Stskeeps | http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kauppalehti.fi%2F5%2Fi%2Fporssi%2Ftiedotteet%2Fporssitiedote.jsp%3Fid%3D201208090007 | 06:06 |
| Stskeeps | DIGIA HAS SIGNED purchase agreement to acquire Qt software technology and BUSINESS from Nokia | 06:07 |
| Paimen | kind of curve ball | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least it's no longer under the control of somebody who puts shit on fire | 06:09 |
| Paimen | yes, well I like people in Digia, but I'm bit bitter how they handled Kuopio office | 06:10 |
| Paimen | at least in light of this event | 06:10 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:13 |
| Stskeeps | there's never anything pretty about office closures | 06:13 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if this includes the nokia offices in US too | 06:14 |
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| goya | Nokia still existss? | 06:14 |
| Paimen | from elburg tweet: Great to have all the talents from Berlin, Sunnyvale(?) and Oslo onboard :) | 06:14 |
| goya | im way out of the loop. still use my N900 | 06:14 |
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| Paimen | so it is not sure about US | 06:14 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: :nod: | 06:14 |
| Stskeeps | just good that it didn't go down with the ship.. | 06:15 |
| Paimen | yes we live in exiting times indeed | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | http://85.76.240.177/digia/qt/press_release.html | 06:15 |
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| Bostik | I'm somewhat bitter on behalf of how they handled Lappeenranta office, and by their corporate culture where blame-shifting has been an important factor | 06:19 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it the usual cabal of big consultant houses, cybercom, tieto, digia, etc? | 06:20 |
| jukkaeklund | facts of life, seem to be | 06:20 |
| Bostik | at least tieto doesn't seem to shift blame - they simply refuse to accept any | 06:20 |
| Paimen | Bostik: :P | 06:22 |
| Stskeeps | well, good, now we can trust qt5 release comes out | 06:22 |
| Bostik | a silver lining in the [mushroom] cloud | 06:23 |
| Paimen | Bostik: always look on the bright side of life | 06:24 |
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| Paimen | mushroom clouds are pretty and then you die | 06:24 |
| Bostik | Paimen: I do, it's this side | 06:24 |
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| Ionakka | <Bostik> at least tieto doesn't seem to shift blame - they simply refuse to accept any <--- quite funky taken into account their public track record | 06:27 |
| * Stskeeps glances at libhybris | 06:28 | |
| dm8tbr | Ionakka: which are mainly driven by their operation in the public sector mine fields | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: i can't help but wonder if android gles drivers could technically perf better on top of glibc.. | 06:29 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: they probably would, since bionic is effectively lifted from NetBSD, and [e]glibc use some pretty hairy optimisations which *BSD avoids in name of portability and brevity | 06:30 |
| Ionakka | dm8tbr: mine fields? | 06:30 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: :NOD: | 06:30 |
| Stskeeps | er, :nod: | 06:30 |
| dm8tbr | Ionakka: public-private business relations - esp. in IT - seem to be a recipe for bad press all around the world | 06:31 |
| Bostik | Ionakka: e-recipe, the most recent train ticketing system fiasco (the travelers still get fallout from that), etc. | 06:31 |
| dm8tbr | wasn't that accenture though? | 06:31 |
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| Sviox | How do I get an account for the bugzilla? | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | Sviox: http://bugs.merproject.org front page | 06:32 |
| Bostik | hum, was it really? | 06:32 |
| dm8tbr | I thought VR software was accidenture | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, accenture | 06:32 |
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| Paimen | Bostik: you are both right | 06:32 |
| Paimen | it was tieto + accenture | 06:32 |
| dm8tbr | tieto supplied some hardware, nothing more | 06:33 |
| Paimen | tieto handled server end with HW | 06:33 |
| Ionakka | <dm8tbr> Ionakka: public-private business relations - esp. in IT - seem to be a recipe for bad press all around the world <--- quite true | 06:33 |
| Bostik | right, I stand corrected | 06:33 |
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| dm8tbr | btw: hardly anyone knows that tieto actually is quite active in embedded devices, and we don't screw up spectacularly there. (yes they employ me) | 06:34 |
| jukkaeklund | dm8tbr, indeed and same goes for many other companies | 06:34 |
| dm8tbr | yup | 06:34 |
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| _av500_ | Stskeeps: just get the Linaro memcpy and it will run 100% faster | 06:35 |
| _av500_ | I saw it on youtube... | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: the 30fps vs 60fps fiasco? | 06:35 |
| _av500_ | fiasco? pr win.... | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 06:35 |
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| dm8tbr | last one on the topic: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Ftorvalds%2Flinux.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=author&s=tieto.com makes me happy for one of my job titles is 'OSS evangelist' | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:39 |
| Bostik | now that's healthy | 06:39 |
| Bostik | that was not sarcasm | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | heh, and complete stall at 06-17 of linux.. | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | er, of nokia | 06:40 |
| Bostik | dm8tbr: a friend as a PM at tieto, who does well; he once quipped that he wants absolutely nothing to do with the bank-infrastructure projects because they are infernally strict | 06:41 |
| Bostik | and so far the only major bank-related IT disaster I know about was Sampo | 06:41 |
| dm8tbr | Bostik: makes me happy I never met anyone of those. I'm a happy camper in our 'Product Engineering Solutions' as PM and OSS evangelist | 06:41 |
| Bostik | heh | 06:42 |
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| Stskeeps | NOTE: I've temporarily made the build checker on gerrit queue requests as we need to let the builder settle down for an upgrade | 06:51 |
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| Pauli | Good morning | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | good morning pauli | 07:02 |
| Figure | nice digia bought rest of qt | 07:02 |
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| Pauli | I found couple issues with systemd. | 07:03 |
| mja | hopefully android isn't digia's sole focus | 07:04 |
| Figure | njaa I doupt that it is.. | 07:04 |
| Figure | at least I see huge potential with mer + qt5 | 07:04 |
| Figure | qtquick 2 is creat | 07:04 |
| Figure | great | 07:04 |
| Figure | even with lowend devices like rasperry pi | 07:05 |
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| mja | the commercial value in mer+qt is limited currently. fingers crossed they don't overlook it | 07:05 |
| Pauli | Stskeeps : I did add some comments in nemo bug 172. | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | Pauli: thanks, looking | 07:06 |
| Figure | mja: true. | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | they say embedded, so i'm not worried | 07:06 |
| Figure | yeah and qt is used more and more also in cars | 07:07 |
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| dcthang | I hope digia will not make Qt commercial :P | 07:16 |
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| Paimen | well they cannot | 07:18 |
| Sviox | where are the source codes for the package manager in nemo? | 07:19 |
| Figure | and why would they? they already sell the lisences | 07:19 |
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| Stskeeps | Sviox: https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/mg-package-manager/ | 07:20 |
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| Sviox | oh.. so it's not maintained by nemo and it's bugs are not in nemo's bugzilla? | 07:21 |
| dcthang | ok, let'see. I hope Qt gets much better when Digia drives it | 07:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Sviox: historical | 07:23 |
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| Sviox | just wondering because it looks horrible (no offence) and I have some years of experience from pacakge management UIs | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | Sviox: :nod: it might need a refresh with proper components | 07:25 |
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| Sviox | too bad no bugs on that at Nemo's bug list (which I'm supposed to be looking at :)) | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | initiative is good too | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | generally the rule in mer and nemo is: if you see something missing, file a task, or something broken, file a bug | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | and it gets caught in triage | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | if it's a bad direction | 07:30 |
| Sviox | what's a triage? | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | it's a weekly meeting - bug triage, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Bug_Lifecycle#Triage | 07:31 |
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| lbt | morning all | 07:46 |
| lakaila | good morning folks | 07:46 |
| Sage | morning all | 07:46 |
| Paimen | morning | 07:46 |
| Sage | lbt: new spectacle worked? | 07:46 |
| Sage | err... | 07:47 |
| Sage | new kickstarter | 07:47 |
| lbt | Sage: I'm using git:kickstarter-0.16~1.tar.bz2:67b4414137aadb37101b9006f96e685421bb6060 | 07:48 |
| lbt | in my _src | 07:48 |
| lbt | "Ignore empty url vars entries" | 07:48 |
| lbt | needed the var_dict hack but then it's been cool | 07:49 |
| lbt | much simplified the sdk config | 07:49 |
| lbt | but of course, now I can't build SDK due to Python-M2Crypto conflict :/ | 07:49 |
| Sage | var_dict hack? | 07:50 |
| Sage | \o/ mpc finally rebuilt, hopefully pcre gets soon done as well. | 07:51 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: These rebuild checks take a bit longer than I expected | 07:51 |
| lbt | https://gist.github.com/3302134 | 07:52 |
| lbt | you fixed it slightly differently | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: yess | 07:52 |
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| Sage | lbt: well. We don't want to crash if a) user enters empty line like " - " or b) " - a " | 07:56 |
| Sage | this checking empty and isinstance( dict) | 07:56 |
| lbt | sure - although I think the 'correct' style is exception handling | 07:56 |
| lbt | I just was showing the hack I used to get past that commit point :) | 07:57 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: FYI I need to schedule some infra tlc time soon | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 07:58 |
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| lakaila | i have question about vim packaging: is it ok to add 500 paches to upgrade to the latest version? at least osc co was quite slow already with 177 patches. | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | lakaila: do they have a full tarball by chance? | 08:02 |
| lakaila | Stskeeps: i didn't see such thing yet, but it's possible i think | 08:03 |
| Bostik | is it okay to create a massive patch with interdiff and apply only that? (would it be advisable, even?) | 08:04 |
| lakaila | but if vim doesn't get recompiled or checked out too often, then maybe it's ok to have all 629 separate patches | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | lakaila: if there's a full tarball that'd be preferred | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | 629 seperate patches is way beyond sane | 08:05 |
| lakaila | i need to check out interdiff, that's new to me | 08:06 |
| lakaila | would it be ok to just create the tarball from upstream or would it cause troubles for later updates? | 08:07 |
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| * Stskeeps looks | 08:08 | |
| * Stskeeps twitches | 08:08 | |
| Stskeeps | i think interdiff is OK in this case. | 08:10 |
| lakaila | Stskeeps: cool, i'll go trying that | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | because that releasing method is just batshit insane | 08:11 |
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| lbt | what? | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: vim has 7.3 + 629 patches | 08:13 |
| lbt | make a git tree, import the patches, release from that | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | or that | 08:13 |
| Bostik | aye, that would be clean... | 08:13 |
| lbt | git-pkg will do that for you | 08:13 |
| lbt | if I released it | 08:13 |
| sledges | good morning, finally back :) | 08:13 |
| Bostik | (incidentally, I do that myself) | 08:13 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: PowerVR Device not found\n Fatal server error: PVR2D_Init() failed | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: what are you breaking again.. | 08:14 |
| lbt | Bostik: ah... sanity is good | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: did you submit your fixes? | 08:14 |
| alterego | I didn't touch it I swear! | 08:14 |
| lbt | lakaila: do you have that on c.obs? | 08:14 |
| lbt | as a 500 patch monster? | 08:14 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: worked when rebooted :/ | 08:15 |
| alterego | If it happens again I'll do a full log. | 08:15 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: i think this justifies ejecting vim from core and replacing it with emacs - we could probably use it instead of busybox too | 08:15 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: what fixes? :) | 08:15 |
| lakaila | lbt: not yet, there already is 177 which made me to ask this | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: the ones for mer-next | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | into nemo | 08:16 |
| Sage | I have the systemd still to be done was about to do it yesterday but forgot | 08:17 |
| lbt | SWIG/_evp.i:12: Error: Unable to find 'openssl/opensslconf-arm.h' | 08:17 |
| lbt | on -next | 08:17 |
| Sage | lbt: isn't that existing bug filename seems familiar | 08:18 |
| lbt | I thought it was fixed tbh | 08:18 |
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| lakaila | by interdiff do you mean combinediff? or did i missunderstood? squash all patches to one | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, to one | 08:30 |
| Sage | lbt: tagged 0.16 kickstarter | 08:33 |
| lbt | ok | 08:33 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.digia.com/en/Blogs/Qt-blog/Tuukka-Turunen/Dates/2012/8/Digia-extends-commitment-to-acquire-Qt-from-Nokia/ | 08:42 |
| Bostik | "Oops! Seems like something went wrong here..." | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | their site is a bit overloaded | 08:44 |
| Bostik | yeah, but that error message feels a bit ironic given the context | 08:44 |
| Jucato | http://www.digia.com/en/Home/Company/News/Digia-to-acquire-Qt-from-Nokia/ (it's randomly up and down) | 08:46 |
| lakaila | interesting! | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | good news, anyway | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | the qt-blog one | 08:47 |
| Paimen | I have always liked Tuukka | 08:47 |
| Paimen | and if he is driving Qt R&D it is good news | 08:48 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Wow: "a maximum of 125 Qt people from Nokia will transfer to Digia, " | 08:49 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | 125 is all you need for qt | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | how many work on EFL? | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity | 08:49 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Stskeeps: hard to tell | 08:50 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Stskeeps: you mean the libs only, no apps, right? | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:50 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | For Samsung I would estimate 20-30. Hard to tell, don't have hard numbers. | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:51 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | But I always got the impression that Nokia and former Trolltech had >300 engineers working on qt | 08:51 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Or even more | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | well | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | hard to tell qt vs qt usage | 08:51 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Am I wrong with that? | 08:52 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | same for efl | 08:52 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | don't count in all contractors and other companies | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:52 |
| Jucato | stefan_schmidt_w: thiago said only the developer teams. and the press statement specifically mentions Oslo and Berlin only | 08:53 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Anyway, the good thing is that at least its clear now where qt will be developed further | 08:53 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Jucato: Both together are only 125? | 08:53 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Jucato: I was thinking Oslo being big. Berlin not that much. | 08:54 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Anyway, I never had much to do with qt. Only know people that worked on it for Nokia and Trolltech. | 08:54 |
| Jucato | yeah, according to him. | 08:54 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | The number just stand out to be to small to me in the statement | 08:55 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Jucato: interesting | 08:55 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Australia got closed down? | 08:55 |
| lpotter | yes | 08:55 |
| Bostik | Berlin was what, ~40 guys? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, brisbane office got shut down. hopefully good companies will grab the talents | 08:55 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | lpotter: ah, first hand experience I see. :( Still in australia? | 08:55 |
| lpotter | all the mobile Qt development was in brissie | 08:56 |
| lpotter | yes. kinda tied down here now | 08:56 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | lpotter: ok :/ | 08:56 |
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| Stskeeps | lpotter: just out of curiousity, what do you define as mobile? | 08:58 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | Stskeeps: qtmobility? | 08:58 |
| Jucato | and the ones that started there (QtMultimedia, QtLocation, etc.) | 08:58 |
| lpotter | declarative mainly, sensors | 09:00 |
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| lbt | it produces <patterns> and xsl/comps.xsl doesn't transform it :( | 09:55 |
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| Stskeeps | hello sasikala :) | 10:00 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/#change,749 | 10:00 |
| sasikala | Stskeeps : Hello | 10:00 |
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| sasikala | i have sent a request for bugzilla account creation | 10:01 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: tested on n950 that systemd thing and it works so no kernel dependency increase in there ;) | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | sasikala: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time | 10:01 |
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| sasikala | Thanks. I have done the functional testing in my experience for N9. So, can i know is there anything that i can contribute now? | 10:03 |
| sasikala | Also, i haven't received any mail regarding the bugzilla creation | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | sasikala: checked spam folder as a start? | 10:05 |
| sasikala | Sorry not getting you :-) | 10:05 |
| curiosity | sasikala: nice to meet testing people! | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | if you checked the spam folder of your email account for the mail :) | 10:06 |
| sasikala | Yep...No spam :-) | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok, can you mention the first four letters of the email you registered with? we'll check logs | 10:07 |
| sasikala | sasi | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:08 |
| Jucato | out of curiosity, has anyone ported Mer to the N810? (if that's possible at all) | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | jucato, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 | 10:10 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: thanks! | 10:10 |
| Jucato | (been gone so long, so out of touch with what's happening :) | 10:11 |
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| lbt | python-urlgrabber needs python-M2Crypto, mic needs python-m2crypto, Core provides m2crypto ... | 10:13 |
| lbt | oh joy | 10:13 |
| iekku | lbt, :) | 10:13 |
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| sasikala | Curiosity : Thanks...feeling the same :-) | 10:14 |
| lbt | and Core is the 'broken' one - and of course takes a week to fix | 10:14 |
| lbt | and that's if I drop everything and start fixing it now | 10:14 |
| lbt | ;( | 10:14 |
| iekku | lbt, uh oh :/ | 10:15 |
| iekku | lbt, can someone help you? | 10:15 |
| lbt | well, the 'right' solution is to fix Core | 10:16 |
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| lbt | and then require the -next release for the next SDK | 10:17 |
| lbt | but it becomes a dependency chain - lets see what core kicks up | 10:17 |
| Sage | lbt: python-m2crypto seems the proper name to me | 10:17 |
| lbt | Sage: I agree - although suses uses python-M2Crypto for PyPy compatibility - so I accepted that | 10:18 |
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| lbt | Sage: line 8 https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=python-M2Crypto.changes&package=python-M2Crypto&project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting&rev=c3073e8285cdcc71896c7ae81e8ff32f | 10:20 |
| Sage | I don't like caps in package names :) | 10:20 |
| lbt | not a huge fan but have bigger worries :) | 10:21 |
| lbt | also I can't just push that up to core since it won't build for arm due to openssl arm bug | 10:21 |
| lbt | aaargh | 10:21 |
| lbt | phaeron: could you help out here or are you loaded? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i'm not merging a new systemd release this release | 10:23 |
| lbt | phew | 10:24 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ok | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like to get it out on this side of christmas | 10:24 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: how come https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=python-M2Crypto&project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting fails for arm on openssl .h issue? | 10:25 |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191 | 10:25 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: well it isn't a bit update but fairenough. | 10:25 |
| lbt | actually - how come no-one else is hitting openssl issues with it? | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | nobody is using the headers i guess | 10:26 |
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| lbt | kinda surprising? | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | not really. i think the openssl license issue has messed up a lot of things | 10:27 |
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| lbt | ok - in Core I'll add a Provides/Obsoletes forpython-m2crypto and python-M2Crypto to m2crypto... then when we rename it we'll do it the other way round | 10:30 |
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| phaeron | lbt: sorry wasn't looking here , was swearing at spectacle | 10:31 |
| * lbt is thinking we should drop spectacle and insist on certain markup in Mer .spec files | 10:32 | |
| lbt | or at least drop the yaml | 10:32 |
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| Stskeeps | git-pkg, versions first, then we can look at spectacle | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:33 |
| lbt | yeah | 10:33 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=CE%3AUtils <- is there something that should be pushed to Mer? | 10:34 |
| Sage | I'm pondering of pushing those to ce:mw:shared and ce:apps projects and removing ce:utils | 10:34 |
| lbt | some feel more like Tools | 10:34 |
| Sage | true, but we don't have tools repo in nemo atm. by default | 10:35 |
| lbt | iotop, screen for sure | 10:35 |
| lbt | want to ? | 10:35 |
| lbt | it is becoming saner ... slowly | 10:35 |
| lbt | and it is at least releases now | 10:35 |
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| Sage | I think that would be good to have mer tools in nemo by default | 10:36 |
| Sage | ce:mw:shared: fuse, libutempter, utfs. | 10:37 |
| Sage | ce:apps: lynx, mad-developer, mesa-demos, glew | 10:38 |
| Sage | mer:tools: iotop, screen, wget | 10:38 |
| Sage | sounds sane? | 10:38 |
| lbt | utfs is in Tools atm - broken though due to no fuse | 10:38 |
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| lbt | I could see sshfs and hence fuse being tools too | 10:38 |
| lbt | tbh I see Tools as a mix of CE:apps and CE:shared | 10:39 |
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| lbt | for things that are unlikely to go on shipped devices | 10:39 |
| lbt | I see CE:shared and CE:apps for non-core stuff that goes on device | 10:40 |
| lbt | (and that is used by multiple vendors) | 10:40 |
| Sage | CE:Apps contains all the UX apps as well in the future | 10:40 |
| lbt | yes | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i wonder a bit why qemu-usermode isn't getting evaluated.. | 10:43 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I though you didn't kick it :) | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | i thought i did | 10:44 |
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| Sage | well I didn't see anything happening so I though you didn't :) | 10:45 |
| phaeron | do we sill need madde ? | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | yess.. well | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | the story isn't clear. | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | why? | 10:46 |
| phaeron | lbt: fixed for opensuse 12.1 .. checking others | 10:46 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: I recall Aard said it breaks things if you use it | 10:47 |
| lbt | phaeron: ty | 10:47 |
| Aard | I said what? | 10:47 |
| phaeron | Aard: madde breaks stuff | 10:47 |
| Aard | ah, yes | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | in which sense? | 10:48 |
| Aard | and I had a look at it, and decided throwing it away, and doing stuff it does from scratch is probably the best idea | 10:48 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: it changes uid/gid of /home/nemo | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, you aren't exactly joe regular developer, though | 10:48 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: don't get me wrong, I want some developer mode thingy, but I don't thing madde is a sane base for doing that | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, /home/nemo changing is screwed | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: better ideas how we support windows and mac welcome | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, i agree, some parts are utterly screwed in it | 10:49 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: not sure yet. it's all a bit fuzzy, when I looked at it it was with the main goal to fix the uid changing, but then I started drinking | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:52 |
| phaeron | lbt: so this mic won't run on opensuse 11.4 anymore | 11:00 |
| phaeron | lbt: it's marked to require python-zypp 0.5.9.1 and in opensuse 11.4 only python-zypp 0.5.9 is there :) | 11:00 |
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| rsadhu | best source code merging tool in ubuntu(linux), Suggestions please? | 11:17 |
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| Paimen | rsadhu: I use meld | 11:18 |
| rsadhu | thanks , other than that . | 11:19 |
| phaeron | lbt: or we can just kludge it | 11:21 |
| rsadhu | basically i want to apply some patch on source code | 11:21 |
| lbt | phaeron: sounds good to me | 11:22 |
| phaeron | lbt: this zypp version is specified by you ? or by upstream ? | 11:23 |
| lbt | rsadhu: emacs and ediff | 11:23 |
| lbt | upstream | 11:23 |
| phaeron | lbt: where , can't find the upstream spec | 11:23 |
| phaeron | found | 11:24 |
| lbt | :) | 11:24 |
| rsadhu | ok | 11:24 |
| phaeron | lbt: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/mic.git;a=blob;f=distfiles/mic.spec;h=b2be4c130ca5b085b6f8283748899432797a1c6b;hb=839ee65f58db5b9445fec0b343dea6ce3ee6f44e#l56 | 11:24 |
| phaeron | reaahhly | 11:24 |
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| lbt | phaeron: almost certainly "whatever built" and not "api introduced by" | 11:25 |
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| phaeron | lbt: was looking for some sane reason like "api" or fix , but apparently just random | 11:26 |
| phaeron | latest version in 12.1 is 0.5.10-2.6.1 | 11:27 |
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| phaeron | lbt: can spectacle do if macros like that ? | 11:28 |
| lbt | no | 11:28 |
| phaeron | grr | 11:28 |
| phaeron | so first it breaks the files section and now it can't do that | 11:28 |
| lbt | yeah - this is where it loses big time | 11:28 |
| lbt | it's designed for a single distro | 11:28 |
| phaeron | lbt: apparently tizen is also randomly copying from upstreams :D | 11:29 |
| phaeron | lbt: ok if we want to share the mic package between mer tools and mint we need to drop spectacle | 11:30 |
| lbt | well, kinda | 11:31 |
| lbt | git-pkg supports discrete packaging for Tools and MINT | 11:31 |
| lbt | so I can carry on using it :) | 11:31 |
| phaeron | ok I'll fix for opensuse in mint and you can do that | 11:31 |
| lbt | and MINT can have git-managed spec for it | 11:32 |
| lbt | yeah - so you don't need to worry about Tools | 11:32 |
| lbt | but we share a common git tree for code and patches | 11:32 |
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| * lbt tries to remember how many levels deep he was down the rabbithole | 11:37 | |
| lbt | going back is the hardest part | 11:38 |
| phaeron | lbt: what did you ask for help with | 11:38 |
| lbt | I need to resolve the mess around m2crypto | 11:39 |
| lbt | I sent a patch to core to provide python-{M2C,m2c}rypto | 11:39 |
| lbt | I'm adding a Prefer: python-M2Crypto to Tools | 11:40 |
| lbt | I'm removing m2crypto from the SDK ks | 11:40 |
| lbt | I need to have it build against arm with ssl | 11:40 |
| w00t | lbt: ooi, have you looked into gbs? | 11:41 |
| phaeron | w00t: yes we did , not useful | 11:41 |
| w00t | lol, that bad? :) | 11:42 |
| phaeron | let's just say ... never mind | 11:42 |
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| sivang | re all | 11:48 |
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| Stskeeps | hello jingzhe, dashavoo | 11:51 |
| dashavoo | hello | 11:52 |
| dashavoo | :) | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | dashavoo: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time | 11:52 |
| jingzhe | hello, everybody | 11:52 |
| jingzhe | sure | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | and to jingzhe too | 11:52 |
| dashavoo | Thanks - I'll probably lurk a lot and not really chime in, but nice to know questions are welcome if I've got them | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | sure, lurking is fine too :) | 11:54 |
| lakaila | are git commit messages or changelog texts being processed for "Fixes MER#nnn" or something | 11:54 |
| lbt | yes | 11:55 |
| * sivang is going to put a summerized page on wiki for creating latest image and running in KVM. | 11:55 | |
| lakaila | ok, what's the exact syntax? | 11:55 |
| sivang | I'm looking for the 3rd time for instructions how to run KVM from kvm's docs to enable net, hda etc | 11:55 |
| sivang | better put it on the wiki | 11:55 |
| lbt | sivang: OK - treat it as a hardware adapation | 11:56 |
| sivang | (I couldn't find anything simialr, but if someone knows please let me know) | 11:56 |
| sivang | lbt: right, as I'm gonna "teach" it the nemomobile way | 11:56 |
| lbt | I use libvirt but may be able to help | 11:56 |
| * dm8tbr uses virt-manager, which uses libvirt | 11:57 | |
| sivang | lbt: well, the bare bones version will enable anybody to use it without RedHat's libvirt but maybe is wiser to walk through the libvirt way? | 11:57 |
| sivang | perhaps it is not abvailable anywhere? | 11:57 |
| dm8tbr | for me it was as simple as drop the image in location, assign it to a machine, start | 11:57 |
| lbt | yeah libvirt is widely available and reasonably sane | 11:57 |
| sivang | okay, just as I was forced to use WebStorm for NodeJS dev in dayjob, I'll try to follow the easier way :) | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | REMINDER: Mer QA meeting in 3 minutes ( phaeron is chairing?) | 11:58 |
| * sivang pokes ubuntu | 11:58 | |
| dm8tbr | ubuntu has virt-manager | 11:58 |
| sivang | I'll be on and off intermittently due to lack of time and doing 1B things in the middle, but I'll try to follow | 11:58 |
| sivang | (day job, that is) | 11:58 |
| lbt | https://gist.github.com/3303608 | 11:59 |
| sivang | lbt: cool, thanks, but I can probably also create one through the UI if it exists already? | 12:00 |
| lbt | yeah | 12:01 |
| sivang | lbt, dm8tbr : what's the name of the product by RedHat btw? I want to install the top level pkg in Ubuntu | 12:01 |
| sivang | virt? | 12:01 |
| sivang | kvm-virt? | 12:01 |
| lbt | libvirt | 12:01 |
| sivang | lbt: but that's just the interface, they are supposed to have a UX today no? | 12:01 |
| sivang | like the API | 12:01 |
| dm8tbr | sivang: virt-manager | 12:02 |
| dm8tbr | just like I already said | 12:02 |
| sivang | dm8tbr: ah okay :) did not apt-cache search that, thanks! | 12:02 |
| dm8tbr | I've ran earlier nemo vm images with it in kvm mode | 12:03 |
| dm8tbr | totally painless | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: i'll start the meeting then | 12:03 |
| sivang | dm8tbr: what is KVM mode? what are other modes that are available? (I just used kvm from the command line o'school to run the images that Stskeeps created ever since Mer revived ;)) | 12:03 |
| dm8tbr | qemu | 12:03 |
| sivang | so qemu as non hardware depedant hypervisor and kvm as is? | 12:04 |
| dm8tbr | that's the two I'm aware of | 12:04 |
| dm8tbr | I'd recommend to read libvirt and virtual-manager webpages | 12:04 |
| sivang | err, sorry - kvm is with a kernel module and qemu I think used to not require it. | 12:04 |
| dm8tbr | they have very detailed documentation | 12:04 |
| sivang | dm8tbr: will do, thanks. | 12:04 |
| dm8tbr | you can run qemu-kvm or qemu AFAICT | 12:05 |
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| dm8tbr | btw: the cli command of libvirt is 'virsh' | 12:05 |
| lbt | and the /etc config is /etc/libvirt | 12:06 |
| lbt | just for consistency | 12:06 |
| dm8tbr | also you can use virsh and virt-manager in parallel. they don't interfere | 12:07 |
| curiosity | Stskeeps: how to join meeting? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | curiosity: /join #mer-meeting | 12:08 |
| ae139 | Stskeeps: webgl translator for windows version of ff/chrome http://code.google.com/p/angleproject/ | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 12:09 |
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| curiosity | Stskeeps: you mentioned virtual image in meeting | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | for non-SSSE3 devices | 12:55 |
| curiosity | Stskeeps: possible to get one? | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/nemo-handset-i586-vm-0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-08-05.2-sda.raw.bz2 | 12:56 |
| curiosity | thanks! | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | bunzip2, install virtualbox, VBoxManage convertfromraw file.raw file.vdi --format vdi | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | and add as first virtual harddisk in a virtual machine according to nemo instructiosn | 12:56 |
| dm8tbr | but it says 586? isn't that SSSE3? I thought the naming convention was 486 for non-ssse3 | 13:02 |
| curiosity | i486 | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: ignore that | 13:03 |
| curiosity | in a meeting | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | it's just bad naming from my side | 13:03 |
| curiosity | ok | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | it's -actually- i486 | 13:03 |
| curiosity | jep | 13:03 |
| dm8tbr | ah :) | 13:03 |
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| lbt | holy crap an SDK image \o/ | 13:17 |
| * lbt ships it and goes for brandy | 13:18 | |
| Stskeeps | yay brandy | 13:19 |
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| bigbluehat | this is the year of the OS ;) http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/gnome-os/ | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | they should just base on Mer | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:23 |
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| * VDVsx is still waiting for emacsOS :P | 13:29 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure that Aard would be making it when he can | 13:30 |
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| Aard | Stskeeps: I had a nice devel-environment sitting on top of meego, but now with mer I'd have to maintain more packages than I can right now | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | wb situ | 14:50 |
| situ | Hi, what's up ? | 14:50 |
| situ | Saw the good news today. | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | not much.. waiting for my obs to go to a halt so we can do upgrades | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: where did we have a obs with proper packages? | 14:51 |
| lbt | you mean Devel ? | 14:52 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | i need ones with phaeron's patches | 14:53 |
| lbt | OK, the one in Mer:OBS:Testing:Devel is based on a branch called mer-pending | 14:54 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, and how would i ideally switch to those? | 14:55 |
| lbt | so you're not thinking of putting them into production are you? | 14:56 |
| lbt | https://github.com/Merproject/open-build-service/tree/mer-pending | 14:56 |
| lbt | fyi | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | i am, because of mer CI being only place we can truly do this on and get copyprj into use | 14:56 |
| lbt | to get them into production they should really be tested, then promoted to master, tagged and released | 14:56 |
| lbt | so if we assume that "they install" is enough, I tested them :) | 14:57 |
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| lbt | tagged 'em 2.3.1-mer3 | 14:57 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | and a release repo ideally? | 14:58 |
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| lbt | yep, give me a min | 14:59 |
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| crevetor | Hello | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | heya | 15:03 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: SR5455 | 15:07 |
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| * Stskeeps reviews | 15:09 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: looks OK | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | i assume i need to do something with rake or something to upgrade | 15:09 |
| lbt | no, approve that - wait 2min for a build and I make a release | 15:10 |
| lbt | then zypper up | 15:10 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't have rights to approve that | 15:10 |
| lbt | *mutter( | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | you know, don't let the architect nearby the important things, the dilbert principle, etc | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | (The Dilbert principle refers to a 1990s satirical observation by Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams stating that companies tend to systematically promote their least-competent employees to management (generally middle management), in order to limit the amount of damage they are capable of doing.) | 15:11 |
| * lbt has the mug | 15:11 | |
| crevetor | Might be of interest to some of you, I finally got around to cleaning the Mer Touchpad kernel repo, https://gitorious.org/mertp/kernel-clean | 15:11 |
| lbt | and I'm now convinced you sometimes run a bot when you should be working | 15:12 |
| lbt | tum-te-tum | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: cool, i'm using a hp tenderloin android kernel atm | 15:14 |
| crevetor | Next up : creating a clean mer image for the touchpad | 15:14 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: is it a 2.6.35 ? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes i think so | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | i intentionally went for gingerbread | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | but of course it's a vastly different environment | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | fbcon isn't working properly, etc | 15:15 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK, release done | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: URL? | 15:16 |
| lbt | http://repo.pub.meego.com/releases/Mer-OBS/ | 15:16 |
| lbt | ah, need to do Mer-OBS.repo manually | 15:16 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: this kernel works pretty decently. It has some issues that need fixing (e.g. in the boot sequence it "sleeps" for like 10/20 seconds for no apparent reason) | 15:17 |
| crevetor | but fbcon works | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:17 |
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| Stskeeps | my longer term goal is doing a bit of hybrid mer + wayland with android kernel + wakelocks usage thing | 15:17 |
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| Stskeeps | and android gpu drivers/etc | 15:18 |
| lbt | phaeron: ^^ done a new OBS release FWIW | 15:18 |
| lbt | FYI even | 15:18 |
| phaeron | yes | 15:18 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: thank you | 15:20 |
| crevetor | I think once I have a clean mer image for the touchpad I'll try out freedreno | 15:21 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: should be straightforward - phaeron may need to comment on rake | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: rake comment? | 15:21 |
| phaeron | try it | 15:21 |
| phaeron | but backup db first | 15:21 |
| lbt | I am worried about migration support for us phaeron | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | how do you backup db? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:22 |
| * Stskeeps ducks | 15:22 | |
| * lbt grins and wanders off | 15:22 | |
| * phaeron headdesk | 15:22 | |
| Stskeeps | mysqldump? | 15:22 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: yes | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:22 |
| phaeron | I hope you have proper backups :) | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | we have git >: | 15:23 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: where can I find the exact gcc flags used when obs builds armv7hl binaries ? | 15:38 |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: practically it's -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=vfpv3-d16 -march=armv7-a | 15:42 |
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| Stskeeps | with no thumb | 15:42 |
| crevetor | ok | 15:42 |
| mrudulpen | Stskeeps: is it possible to see information about this submit https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/3949 | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | mrudulpen: looks like it was already accepted long ago | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | or superseded rather | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | with https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/3959 | 15:44 |
| mrudulpen | Stskeeps: ok | 15:47 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: is there a reason why we don't use mfpu=neon ? | 15:48 |
| mrudulpen | Stskeeps: ok figured out :) | 15:48 |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: yes, tegra2 for example | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | vfpv3-d16 is also the baseline for commonly agreed armhf, too | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | in practice most NEON routines are activated with AUXV checks anyway | 15:50 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: ok, what are AUXV checks ? | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | http://articles.manugarg.com/aboutelfauxiliaryvectors.html | 15:52 |
| crevetor | thanks | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | good evening Oipo | 16:37 |
| Oipo | Hello. | 16:37 |
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| curiosity | hello | 16:49 |
| curiosity | and good evening | 16:52 |
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| zzats | I'm a bit confused when it comes to mer image building with mic | 17:12 |
| zzats | I'm following the creation for beginners guide strictly, using mer-core-i586.ks | 17:13 |
| zzats | when creating the rootfs image, I'm meeting an error 'please specify a workable bootstrap env' | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | use the platform sdk instructions instead | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | and give me that url | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | so we can weed out bad docs | 17:15 |
| phaeron | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5462 | 17:15 |
| mrudulpen | does anyone know if there is seperate application like sms app that captures notification about calls or is it the notifications in systemui that takes care of it? | 17:16 |
| zzats | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Image_Creation_For_Beginners -- this doc seemed the most platform specific :) | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | mrudulpen: better question for #nemomobile :) | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | zzats: Platform_SDK is better | 17:16 |
| mrudulpen | Stskeeps: ok | 17:16 |
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| curiosity | and welcome back | 17:23 |
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| zzats | if i want to build a package for several archs, should i perform the repository declaration in the obs project xml? | 17:31 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, project meta | 17:46 |
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| zzats | rrroger. | 17:51 |
| lbt | phaeron: when the files rename there is no diff :( | 17:51 |
| * phaeron wut can I do | 17:52 | |
| Stskeeps | zzats: see topic | 17:52 |
| lbt | phaeron: just wondering why is the version number in the filename? | 17:53 |
| phaeron | which filename ... | 17:53 |
| phaeron | lbt: changes file ? | 17:53 |
| lbt | imager.changes has been deleted? | 17:54 |
| phaeron | hmm .. replaced by the debian changes :/ | 17:54 |
| lbt | img_0.63.3-2_source.changes is new, replaces img_0.63.3-1_source.changes | 17:55 |
| phaeron | yes and the .changes file disappeared | 17:55 |
| phaeron | damn | 17:55 |
| lbt | same for build | 17:55 |
| lbt | OK - so is it a bad SR? | 17:55 |
| phaeron | those are debian files | 17:55 |
| lbt | np :) | 17:55 |
| lbt | just looked odd | 17:56 |
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| phaeron | lbt: 5464 | 18:01 |
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| lbt | phaeron: ok | 18:13 |
| lbt | food first | 18:13 |
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| curiosity | Good night to everybody! | 18:40 |
| CosmoHill | bye bye | 18:41 |
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| * Stskeeps takes down ci fe | 19:03 | |
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| sivang | re all | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: wb | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | er, | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | wb sivang | 19:07 |
| sivang | hey Stskeeps :) | 19:07 |
| lbt | phew, I wondered where I'd gone | 19:07 |
| sivang | lbt: lol | 19:07 |
| sivang | got my n950 here, going to finally burn an image to the device (/me keen to check mer#https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379 ) | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://pastie.org/4441330 | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | do we, fwiw, test upgrade path? | 19:11 |
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| lbt | no, my process just tests installs..... at the moment | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | i can't find AddPackageColumnToFlagsTable in the patch at least | 19:14 |
| lbt | that actually doesn't make sense | 19:14 |
| lbt | the whole migrate thing should be automatic - but need to check with islam | 19:14 |
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| lbt | no islam ... | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i think he's sleeping | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | which is ok | 19:16 |
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| lbt | no but... there is an AddFlagsPackageColumn in a file called src/api/db/migrate/20120722192000_add_package_column_to_flags_table.rb | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | that's what was a bit awkawad | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | awkward | 19:22 |
| lbt | googling rake migration | 19:23 |
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| lbt | or even rails | 19:23 |
| lbt | ". The name of the migration class (CamelCased version) should match the latter part of the file name. " | 19:24 |
| lbt | http://guides.rubyonrails.org/migrations.html | 19:24 |
| lbt | tsk tsk | 19:25 |
| lbt | "if you do feel the need to change the file name then you have to update the name of the class inside or Rails will complain about a missing class." | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 19:25 |
| lbt | OK .. so should be easy to fix | 19:25 |
| lbt | make the class AddPackageColumnToFlagsTable | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | i've taken backups fwiw | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:26 |
| lbt | thankyou for playing, have a nice day :D | 19:26 |
| sivang | lol | 19:26 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: migrations are sane+safe (well in python/django they are) so rerun is usually OK | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | :noD: | 19:28 |
| lbt | oops... on meego fe ... no wonder the migration isn't there | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 19:29 |
| lbt | I was just logging in to keep an eye on my poor servers | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that worked | 19:30 |
| lbt | good | 19:30 |
| lbt | I'll fix git | 19:30 |
| * sivang -> bbl | 19:33 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yell if there's anything else | 19:33 |
| * Stskeeps tries to hide the mushroom cloud behind him | 19:33 | |
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| lbt | "lalalalalala" | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: (yell) http://pastie.org/4444066 | 19:49 |
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| Stskeeps | basically shows when logging in as user on webui | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | evening phaeron | 19:54 |
| * Stskeeps tries to hide the mushroom cloud behind him | 19:54 | |
| phaeron | what happened! :D | 19:55 |
| phaeron | something was nuked? | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: well, first off, there's a tiny error in the migrate script, http://mer.bfst.de/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2012-08-09.log.html#t2012-08-09T19:10:15 - easily fixable though | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | second might be my fault, but if you have any hints: | 19:56 |
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| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/4444066 | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be cool | 19:57 |
| phaeron | weird error | 19:58 |
| phaeron | hmm I though I matched the migration name .. | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it comes from http://fe-vlan10.in.merproject.org/source/home:Admin/_meta | 19:58 |
| lbt | phaeron: fixed in git now fyi | 19:59 |
| phaeron | lbt: thanks | 19:59 |
| phaeron | I wasn't sleeping I was eating then going home | 19:59 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: that's api , right ? | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:59 |
| phaeron | hmm works here | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | i've done migrate on both api and webui | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: feel free to log into fe and see logs for yourself, too | 20:03 |
| phaeron | can you "describe flags;" in mysqladmin on apidb | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes, can do | 20:03 |
| phaeron | ok need to figure out ssh hoops too :D | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/4444938 | 20:05 |
| phaeron | the migration doesn't seem to be applied | 20:05 |
| phaeron | there is no "package" column | 20:05 |
| phaeron | or field | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/4445026 | 20:06 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: rake db:migrate VERSION=20120722192000 | 20:08 |
| * Sage ponders what happened here http://pastie.org/4445264 | 20:09 | |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/4445309 | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: the xorg signal 6 error? | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah, 11 | 20:10 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: ok describe again ? | 20:10 |
| phaeron | new column ? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/4445413 | 20:11 |
| phaeron | hmm it thinks it was applied already I guess | 20:11 |
| * Sage kicks mer wiki | 20:11 | |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: change timestamp of migrate file, hope for best..? | 20:12 |
| Sage | any change we could move wiki to another host that isn't so occupied? :) | 20:12 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: hmm that's one way :) but maybe try RAILS_ENV="production" rake db:migrate:redo VERSION=20120722192000 | 20:13 |
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| phaeron | it could error but hopefully will apply | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: http://pastie.org/4445647 | 20:14 |
| phaeron | damn :) | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | any other tables it should touch? | 20:15 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: no | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:15 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: try down instead of redo | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/4445661 | 20:17 |
| * phaeron runs out of keyworkds | 20:18 | |
| phaeron | I'll try to ssh in | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | wjk | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:19 |
| Sage | Jan 01 02:00:35 localhost modprobe[197]: ERROR: could not insert 'omaplfb': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) | 20:24 |
| Sage | wtf | 20:24 |
| phaeron | lbt: ssh from zathras ? | 20:25 |
| lbt | ? | 20:25 |
| phaeron | how to get to fe | 20:25 |
| lbt | yes | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: what device is that.. | 20:25 |
| Sage | n950 | 20:27 |
| Sage | manually loaded and it is ok | 20:27 |
| Sage | hmmp... racecondition | 20:27 |
| Sage | maybe | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: zathras, ssh fe | 20:28 |
| phaeron | yes in already | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:28 |
| * Stskeeps takes hands off keyboard then | 20:28 | |
| lbt | there's a migrations table iirc | 20:28 |
| lbt | delete the key from that | 20:29 |
| lbt | then rerun migrate | 20:29 |
| lbt | I've had to futz migrations in the past | 20:29 |
| phaeron | lbt: I already checked and the migration is not recorded there | 20:30 |
| phaeron | that one I mean | 20:30 |
| lbt | odd | 20:30 |
| Sage | ah, ti-omap3-sgx should have After=systemd-remount-fs.service | 20:32 |
| phaeron | fixed | 20:32 |
| phaeron | lbt: self.up and self.down | 20:33 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: try now | 20:33 |
| lbt | ? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: much better | 20:33 |
| phaeron | lbt: in the migration file def up should be def self.up | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | what went wrong? | 20:33 |
| lbt | ah | 20:34 |
| phaeron | and def down should be self.down | 20:34 |
| lbt | gotcha | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: thank you | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | i was getting worried i'd have to pull a http://dilbert.com/fast/2012-08-03/ | 20:34 |
| phaeron | welcome | 20:34 |
| phaeron | ;D | 20:34 |
| phaeron | activer records things takes the DRY principle a bit further :D | 20:35 |
| phaeron | defining objects and their methods / attributes from the db schema | 20:36 |
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| * phaeron thinks it's a bit odd to pour unboiled water for tea | 20:54 | |
| sivang | phaeron: not if you want to cool it off a bit :) | 20:56 |
| phaeron | :D | 20:57 |
| sivang | phaeron: I seriously do it all the time, as I like tea very much and the troublesome hectic work culture in where I am does not allow me to wait for it to cool off ;) | 20:59 |
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| phaeron | well in my case I didn't pour boiling water first , I just forgot to boil it | 21:00 |
| sivang | phaeron: ah, that happens to me as well :-p | 21:00 |
| phaeron | sivang: what work culture doesn't allow 5 minutes timeout | 21:00 |
| * phaeron has been spoiled I guess | 21:01 | |
| sivang | phaeron: well, no just normal. I'll tell you in private ;) | 21:01 |
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| phaeron | lbt: my request still not handled ? | 21:05 |
| phaeron | lots of requests are pending btw | 21:05 |
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| lbt | if it's a minor build fix then why is img_0.63.3.orig.tar.gz/src/img_web/templates/app/ops.html changing? | 21:08 |
| * phaeron looks | 21:08 | |
| lbt | also LDAP | 21:08 |
| lbt | USE_SEARCH | 21:09 |
| phaeron | seems some piled up bugfixes got pushed as well | 21:09 |
| lbt | want to note them in the .changes? | 21:09 |
| sivang | hmm, mic create seems to ignore CTRL-C | 21:09 |
| sivang | intentional? | 21:09 |
| sivang | I just decided that a reubild calls for the freshest .ks file | 21:09 |
| lbt | sivang I tend to use "kill kvm running mic" whilst yelling "die you f*cker" | 21:10 |
| lbt | WFM | 21:10 |
| sivang | LOL | 21:10 |
| sivang | lbt: does it detach from the terminal are just bypassing ? | 21:10 |
| sivang | (e.g. from control, as it still outpus) | 21:10 |
| lbt | I think so - it also may be due to use of sudo | 21:11 |
| lbt | so user signal sent to process which is now root | 21:11 |
| sivang | yes | 21:11 |
| lbt | I suspect that mostly | 21:11 |
| phaeron | I think it is better not to die immediately and leave stale loop mounts and stuff | 21:12 |
| sivang | that is the reason, I just confirmed, sudo'd thingo spawns it so the child does not have control | 21:12 |
| sivang | phaeron: agreed, but a graceful process might be better for those with lack of time on their hands ;) | 21:12 |
| phaeron | ah well mic is "special" | 21:12 |
| phaeron | it works in mysterious ways | 21:12 |
| sivang | yes, I've realized that already | 21:15 |
| * sivang killed parent process and rebuilds | 21:15 | |
| lbt | decline 5464 | 21:16 |
| * phaeron throws a fit | 21:17 | |
| phaeron | lbt: anything else beside the version number ? | 21:18 |
| lbt | you asked for a review :) | 21:18 |
| lbt | "imager changelog doesn't mention LDAP changes or a couple of other bugfixes; pykickstart looks good; mic looks good" | 21:18 |
| phaeron | ok | 21:18 |
| * phaeron breaks out the usb disk | 21:18 | |
| * lbt goes back to event notifier | 21:20 | |
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| * Sage ponders if we should drop /proc /sys /dev/* from /etc/fstab | 21:24 | |
| sivang | phaeron: would that be proper to create an image for the n950? mic -d create fs nemo.ks -o . --pkgmgr=yum --arch armv7hl --compress-disk-image=tar.bz2 | 21:25 |
| * lbt understands why Sage enjoys rejecting SRs - oh, the power! | 21:25 | |
| lbt | sorry nm :) | 21:25 |
| * lbt also is guilty of rejecting for undocumented reasons :/ | 21:25 | |
| phaeron | sivang: looks ok | 21:26 |
| sivang | lbt: lol, aboslute power corrupts you :) | 21:26 |
| sivang | phaeron: k, thanks | 21:26 |
| sivang | phaeron: I'd be able to dd straight from the .gz then | 21:26 |
| phaeron | it's a circle , he rejects my request so I reject his | 21:26 |
| lbt | sivang: I have a long way to go befor reaching Sage's level of depravity and cackling.... | 21:26 |
| sivang | (though piping with tar -gz) | 21:26 |
| sivang | hah | 21:26 |
| phaeron | sivang: not dd , tar -xzf | 21:27 |
| sivang | phaeron: ah, right wops | 21:27 |
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| Sage | lbt: ? :) | 21:27 |
| sivang | right, so network is slow, going to rest a bit , be back later. | 21:27 |
| sivang | hmm, but before- | 21:29 |
| sivang | http://pastebin.com/q6WQjpHA is the 'can't get's normal with the freshest .ks file and SDK that has been zypper ref; zypper update 'd ? | 21:29 |
| sivang | it goes on, and I guess it finished download as it is installing now. | 21:29 |
| phaeron | sivang: it's only about keys | 21:34 |
| * sivang teaches the eyes | 21:35 | |
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| sivang | yay, image done | 21:39 |
| phaeron | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=imager&oproject=Project%3AMINT%3ATesting&package=imager&project=home%3Aiamer%3Abranches%3AProject%3AMINT%3ATesting&rev=6 | 21:41 |
| phaeron | lbt: no SR , just diff to check first :) | 21:41 |
| lbt | ah, clever - you renamed the tarball so I can't check the code ;) | 21:42 |
| * sivang -> bbl | 21:42 | |
| lbt | changelog looks good though | 21:43 |
| phaeron | lbt: no I bumped the minor version so new tarball :) | 21:43 |
| lbt | yeah - that's a real problem wrt code review | 21:44 |
| phaeron | lbt: you can diff the tags in git if you have a checkout | 21:46 |
| phaeron | lbt: but it's the same code diff as before | 21:46 |
| lbt | I have no issue with this review per se - it's the process/mechanism I don't like | 21:46 |
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| phaeron | git based code branch / clone reviews are better , but I am alone :D | 21:49 |
| lbt | no, you're not | 21:49 |
| lbt | I'm thinking we should do git reviews of code in gerrit/reviewboard and then reviews of the packaging/functionality in OBS - possibly linking from OBS -> reviewboard | 21:51 |
| phaeron | that's what the std-process does already | 21:55 |
| phaeron | yes I am alone | 21:55 |
| phaeron | so SR ? | 21:55 |
| lbt | yep | 21:58 |
| phaeron | lbt: 5473 | 22:02 |
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