Friday, 2012-08-10

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curiosityGood morning everybody!04:14
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disco_stucuriosity: here is 01:00 am lol04:17
curiosityjep, and here 7.18 am04:18
disco_stucuriosity: Finland ?04:26
curiosityYes, Finland04:26
curiositysun is shining now04:27
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disco_stugod bless internet04:27
curiosityyes :)04:31
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dm8tbrmoaning04:53
curiositymorning04:56
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befordhi05:18
curiosityhello05:18
befordhow is it going on mars05:18
curiosityvery well, weekend on ahead05:19
curiositysun is seen also05:19
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Stskeepsmorn05:47
curiositygood morning!05:48
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Stskeepsmorn phaeron06:27
phaeronStskeeps: morning06:27
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phaeronStskeeps: how's it going06:43
Stskeepsphaeron: processing yesterday's mail and then getting started to do real work :P06:44
phaeronok06:44
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Stskeepsphaeron: what would be simplest test case for your disable stuff?07:17
Stskeeps(and thank you for fixing the issue last night)07:18
phaeronStskeeps: project link with linkedbuild=all , to a project with a few packages07:19
Stskeepsok07:19
Stskeepsthat can be done, i think07:20
sivangmorning07:21
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Stskeepsphaeron: so like http://pastie.org/4448369 ?07:25
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phaeronStskeeps: yes07:30
Stskeepsok07:30
Stskeepsscheduler didn't crash so far, good sign ;)07:30
lbtmorning all07:31
Stskeepsmorn lbt07:32
curiositymorning07:32
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Stskeepsblocked: 341 building: 4 disabled: 207:40
Stskeeps\o/07:41
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* Stskeeps celebrates phaeron07:44
* phaeron dances around07:44
sivangStskeeps: was this the kernel scheduler that was crashing?07:45
sivangO_o if yes :)07:45
Stskeepsno, obs scheduler07:45
phaeronno OBS scheduler07:45
sivang(although it is part of the kernel AFAIK, in a monolitic way, so == kernel scheduler)07:45
sivangright07:45
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ZogG_laptopsivang: oh so you are hanging out here, ah?08:07
sivangZogG_laptop: I guess I am ;-)08:10
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SageStskeeps,lbt: http://pastie.org/4448521 new is with cleaned fstab. Not sure if we should use that one?08:16
lbtie systemd controlling mounts by default ?08:17
Sageyes08:18
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lbtlooks sane to me ... though /tmp isn't there08:19
Sagewell we don't have /tmp mount at all atm.08:19
Sageon N950 at least08:19
Sagething with that is that it needs to be fixed in mic that creates fstab.08:20
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lbtOK08:20
* Sage files a bug about this08:20
StskeepsSage: did we ever figure out the /boot issue/08:20
Stskeeps?08:20
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Stskeepsgood morning sasikala08:21
SageStskeeps: boot issue?08:21
sasikalaStskeeps: Good Morning Carsten :-)08:21
Stskeepssasikala: yes, the vfat /boot stuff08:21
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SageStskeeps: I assume that was for me. I solved it by adding the vfat module buildin to kernel for N900.08:24
Stskeepsok08:24
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SageI'm currently wondering why the   4945ms systemd-remount-fs.service08:25
Sagetakes so long08:25
sasikalaStskeeps : can i know is there something which i can contribute?08:27
sasikalaStskeeps: Tryng to figure out things08:27
sasikalastill not yet clear :-)08:27
Stskeepssasikala: well, what area would you like to contribute in08:27
sasikalaTesting08:27
sasikalaSomething like functional testing08:28
Stskeepsokay, did you try out the virtual image from yesterday?08:28
sasikalaNo, Actually still trying to get the things08:28
Stskeepsalright08:28
sasikalaMay take sometime to get to know about the things :-)08:29
Stskeepslearning is part of the process :)08:29
sasikala:-)08:29
Stskeepsmust readily admit i'm not a QA person myself, and our QA technical lead is moving house atm08:30
sasikalaOh ok .-)08:33
lbtStskeeps: what information do we want to publish in an Atom event feed related to releases/snapshots08:34
Stskeepswhere we need effort is in making basic automatic tests, for example, verify if subsystems are working, etc08:34
Stskeepslbt: release number, repo location08:34
Stskeepschangelog?08:34
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Stskeepstype of release, perhaps?08:35
Stskeepssasikala: wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Architecture may help a bit too08:35
sasikalaSure will go through it08:35
lbtyep, all there so far + timestamp08:35
sasikalathanks08:35
Stskeepshttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Quality/Test_coverage as well08:35
lbtand project (ie release of what)08:36
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Stskeepsyes, i guess08:36
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lbtchangelog == release notes actually :)08:36
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* Stskeeps ponders idly why it suddenly smells a lot like fish here..09:25
sivangStskeeps: what kind of fish? :)09:30
* sivang yumms as he got hungry09:30
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sivangI'm trying this in the SDK- rpm --test -e meego-lsb and for lsb-release and there's nothing, what would be the way to check what depends on them?09:39
Stskeepsseems like a good hint nothing's using it09:39
sivangStskeeps: okay :) Sage , lbt : I recall you said some stuff is using the scripts in lsb-release, perhaps no longer?09:40
sivangor, stuff might be using it but it did not declare dependency :)09:41
sivangso the pkg cache does not know09:41
Sagesivang: I think I said need to check if something is using those. I'm not sure if anything really is.09:41
Stskeepsrpm -ql lsb-release09:41
sivangall empty, zaro bytes :)09:42
sivangoh right, they are just flag files I guess09:45
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Sage  4456ms systemd-remount-fs.service10:25
Sage   255ms systemd-remount-fs.service10:25
Sagehehe ;)10:25
Sagecleaned /etc/fstab ;)10:26
Sagekernels on N950 already mounts the root as rw and with all params. pondering if systemd does something funny because of that.10:29
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* Sage ponders why this happens at times http://pastie.org/444904410:41
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denismhi, does Mer:Tools (:Testing) supports MIPS somehow? Is there such repository somewhere? I want to do a test build for MIPS for a package, but do not know, how exactly I should configure mipsel repository10:46
Stskeepsdenism: i think mips isn't activated on the community OBS10:47
Stskeepsdenism: make an account on https://build.ci.merproject.org in those cases and use Core:mipsel branching directly10:47
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denismStskeeps: thank you for the clarification, I will try to test it there.10:48
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SageStskeeps: any idea what is going here http://pastie.org/4449091 ?10:51
StskeepsSage: busy, will look in a bit10:51
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notmartSage: ping?13:34
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sledgeshello14:00
sledgesi cannot seem to make zypper wp work (i.e. tell me which package provides a file of interest) in Mer14:01
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Stskeepsdoes whatprovides pkgconfig(QtCore) work ?14:06
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vesseStskeeps: I was browsing through the irc logs and noticed you asked about if qa-reports was made by company. Just FYI, I work for that company and was developing it14:23
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vesseso I can probably help with it even if it hasn't been actively developed in a year14:24
Stskeepsvesse: cool :) yes, it's a fantastic piece of software14:25
Stskeepshopefully we'd also make it a consulting item for your company when more companies use our integration/tools from mer in it14:27
vesseyeah, that wouldn't hurt :)14:32
crevetorStskeeps: Hey. Where can I find the latest Mer images (specifically the armv7hl ones) ? I can't seem to find them anywhere14:47
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Stskeepscrevetor: we just have kickstarts these days, just take a old .ks and upgrade it to latest mer version14:50
Stskeepsmer platform SDK helps a lot14:50
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crevetorStskeeps: so I should take the platform sdk .ks and just remove the tools part ?14:52
Stskeepsnah, http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120405.1/kickstarts/ for example and just edit version number14:53
Stskeepswe also have something called kickstarter but it's being modified atm14:53
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sivangre14:56
sivangphaeron1: where's the original phaeron? ;)14:56
crevetorStskeeps: K, thanks14:57
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curiosityLadies and gentlemen, have a nice weekend! See you next week ;)15:34
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Venemo_N9hi :)16:40
Venemo_N9I've been talked into giving a presentation on UX development on top of Mer :)16:40
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Stskeepscool16:41
Stskeepswhere?16:41
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Venemo_N9Stskeeps, at SmartDevCon16:45
Venemo_N9I'm thinking of speaking about qt and QML in general, and maybe to a small extent about qt components and perhaps even lipstick16:46
Venemo_N9I'm just not sure what kind of Mer specifics I should talk about.16:46
Venemo_N9perhaps uxlaunch? or...?16:47
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Stskeepsah alright16:50
StskeepsMer specifics i'd probably handle16:50
Stskeepsi'm talking there as well so16:50
Venemo_N9awesome16:51
Venemo_N9I also see that someone will talk about IVI on Mer16:54
Venemo_N9our talks will compliment each other nicely16:54
Venemo_N9s/compliment/complement16:54
Stskeeps:nod:16:54
Venemo_N9:)16:55
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Stskeepsgood evening ajalkane17:06
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ajalkaneevening Stskeeps17:06
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alterego  /win 1417:23
alteregogrr17:23
ajalkaneHeh, more than 14 irc channels open?17:24
* Stskeeps looks at his irssi17:26
Stskeepsgoes up to 7617:26
Stskeepsqueries, etc17:26
ajalkaneOuch lol... I'd go crazy trying to keep up with that all17:27
Stskeepsalt-a moves to active window17:28
Stskeeps:P17:28
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ajalkaneYour alt and a keys must be pretty worn out by now :)17:29
Stskeepsuhhuh17:30
Stskeeps:P17:30
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dm8tbrStskeeps: reminds me to start pruning again... once again went over 100...17:37
Stskeeps:nod:17:38
Stskeepsthere's a script that supposedly can autoclose after extended idle17:38
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alteregoUnless it's something interesting, or until something interesting is said, I tend to /wc straight away ;)17:41
Stskeepsthat explains a lot17:41
Stskeeps:P17:41
alteregoI should really sort out logging though, too many things are going out of my buffer.17:42
dm8tbrmy main client has autolog on. for off-the-record I fire up a second one17:43
alteregoSeems to be a lot of threads on TMO about failing N900s17:43
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alteregoI wonder if that's OCrs17:43
Stskeepsprobably17:43
ajalkaneWith some efforts, these issues would make good "first world problem" material17:44
Stskeepsyeah.. :P17:44
alteregoheh17:45
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alteregoI have three N900s' reflashed one of them probably a hundred times and they all work fine :)17:46
Stskeepssame here, i've done obscure things to my n90017:46
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alterego"OS2005 / Maemo 1 (1 Viewing)"17:50
alteregolol17:50
alterego"Last post: Wlan with certificate by TDSii @ 11-14-10 06:13 PM"17:51
alteregololol17:51
alteregoHah, that post is more recent than the most recent Bora section post though17:51
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vapehi18:49
CosmoHillho18:49
vapeanyway to install on xperia x2 please ?18:49
Stskeepsnot easily18:50
vapei don't mind trying the hard roads18:50
vape:)18:50
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vapeanyone can give me a guideline ?18:53
Stskeepsget your own kernel with fbcon and kernel version above on 2.6.32 and being able to boot your own file system18:54
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vapethe device is windoz mobile...18:54
vapeand i am a noob18:54
vape:P18:54
Stskeepshardware adaptation is hard18:54
Stskeepsand we don't do your homework here, sorry :)18:54
vapemmmmmm18:55
vapenice18:55
Stskeepsget the above going and it's easier to help18:55
vapethe problem is, your english is "chinese" to my ears  :D18:55
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Venemohi :)19:23
Stskeepsmoo19:29
CosmoHillwoof19:29
moo-_-Stskeeps: yo19:29
Stskeepsyo19:33
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Stskeepshello hes :)19:40
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sivangStskeeps: boof20:03
sivangyeeha Vortiago20:03
sivangwas meant to Venemo20:03
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sivanghey phaeron :)20:16
phaeronhello20:16
sivangphaeron: how is Helsinki in this time of day?20:16
phaerondark ? :D20:16
sivangphaeron: well, it is still summer so should still be light no?20:16
phaeronnot anymore , it gets dark around 9:4020:16
sivangphaeron: ah I see, still much alter than 'our' region ;)20:18
vdvhey guys, does anybody know, is there any demo video of latest nemo/mer installed on n900?20:18
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vdvi've googled, but nothing found20:18
phaeronnot latest probably20:18
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sivanghey jade20:18
sivangvdv: why don't you try yourself if you have a device?20:19
Guest75944hi20:19
sivanghey Guest7594420:19
vdvsivang, too lazy )20:19
sivangvdv: heh, well, the reward is big, so I recommend it :)20:20
vdvsivang, bug list in bugzilla is pretty big, not?20:20
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sivangvdv: what do you mean?20:22
Stskeepsvdv: it's better to know bugs exist than not20:25
Stskeepsso we submit every single little behaviour.. you should have seen maemo's :)20:25
phaeronStskeeps: hey , did any more copyprj testing ?20:25
sivangvdv: and there are even some simple ones if you want to get started ;)20:26
Stskeepsphaeron: been hacking mer core to automatically do <disable package=""> stuff20:26
Stskeepsphaeron: so i can do more copyprj - last i saw, it was working fine20:27
Stskeepsjust the <disable package> stuff20:27
vdvisn't it able to install nemo on internal eMMC?20:27
Stskeepsvdv: it's better to put it on a class 6 microsd, that's what we test with20:27
vdvs/able/possible20:27
Stskeepsalso, #nemomobile exists for questions20:27
vdvlol )20:27
phaeronStskeeps: ok cool , hopefully the copyprj still works as I tested and then we can do cool things :)20:27
vdvi've looked for #nemo, but it was empty20:27
Stskeepsphaeron: yeah20:28
Stskeepsphaeron: it worked fine for me last20:28
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Stskeepsphaeron: my aim for this weekend is having a working copyprj cycle for x86 and cross architectures20:30
sivangguys, what is copyprj and <disable pacakge=""> for?20:31
phaeronnice, ping me if you need help20:31
Stskeepsphaeron: will do20:31
Stskeepssivang: you know continous integration?20:31
* sivang sense an important bit of info in cOBS20:31
sivangStskeeps: I do, yes.20:31
sivangwell, some part of its, at least.20:31
phaeronsivang: copyprj is a patch to obs to allow copying projects with binaries without rebuilding20:31
Stskeepsokay, so this is technical methods in OBS to allow us to do this in a saner manner20:32
Stskeepsand do full releases with random changes in them20:32
sivangso there's no source compilation just binary movement between projects?20:32
sivangrandom changes == source built on dev's station and only binary pushed?20:32
phaeronno that's only the first step to save time20:33
Stskeepssivang: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html20:33
Stskeepsspend some time in that mindmap20:33
sivangStskeeps: will do.20:33
sivangphaeron: yes, first thing to come into mind was saving expensive build time for instance.20:33
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* sivang feels mind map would be more clear after doing some passes on the OBS docs.20:38
sivangwe don't have OBS docs 'local' to Mer right?20:39
sivangas in, upstream OBS docs are enough to work with Mer's OBS20:39
sivang(as a package developer)20:39
Stskeepsfor most things yes20:39
Stskeepsbut we do use some mods20:39
Stskeepslike, a cross compilation framework20:39
Stskeepsphaeron: i'm pondering if we should at some point take b1-systems's work on cross compilation, finish it up and get it upstreamed..20:41
Stskeepsand that way have a saner sb2-obs20:41
Stskeepstheir work seems to have died with latest nokia platform death20:41
sivangnice, so Mer's OBS can cross compile, and this was not possible with upstream OBS at all?20:41
Stskeepsit was but it was dirtier than the sb2 solution20:42
sivangI can imagine it was quite some work to plug in your own cross solution. We could probably use a doc somewhere to note the delta to upstream OBS20:43
sivangand some cheat sheet for quick OBS use for package developers who perhaps prefer to get cracking then read full docs :)20:43
Stskeepswe try to upstream what we can, at least20:43
sivangright, that's actually already echoing through bug reports I've read20:44
sivangthe mindmap is good20:45
sivangbut needs time spent with, yes.20:45
sivang(it is vast)20:45
phaeronwell Stskeeps's mind is vast20:45
phaeronthis is only a corner of it :D20:45
sivangI can vouch for that :-D20:45
Stskeepssivang: it's a dump of most of my basic obs knowledge20:45
Stskeepsi've presented with this one20:45
sivangStskeeps: you call that basic?20:45
Stskeepsthe project i presented it for went bust, hmm, i wonder if that's related..20:46
sivang:)20:46
* Stskeeps hides the mushroom cloud20:46
sivangStskeeps: lol, can I take a guess20:46
sivang;-)20:46
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sivangso basically, I can create a package with only just uploading meta20:50
sivangso, using a <link ..> to specify where to take source,20:50
Stskeepsyeah, or osc mkpac20:50
Stskeeps:P20:50
Stskeepsbut yes20:50
sivangthat's like,20:50
sivangwell- amazing?20:50
Stskeepsit is, except mer is more complicated itself20:50
Stskeeps:P20:50
sivanghow so? I want to know *everything* about Mer :)20:51
sivangI want to be able to sell it so hard to vendors such that they will not have anything to respond just 'yes' :)20:51
Stskeepshttp://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=tree is mer core.20:51
* sivang looks20:51
Bostikthere's a fairly nice analogue for what mer is20:51
Bostikif you've ever dealt with *BSD, you can think of mer as a "world" target without any of the ports ;)20:52
sivanginteresting20:52
BostikStskeeps: sorry about pulling BSD into the mess but that *is* a pretty close approximation :)20:52
StskeepsBostik: i ran freebsd for 1-2 years, no worries20:52
Stskeepson desktop, that is, on server, much much more20:53
Bostikand I spent 1,5y of my life modding openbsd, so I ought to know the treacherous ground I'm treading on20:53
Stskeepsi wrote ircds.20:53
Stskeeps:(20:53
Bostikyou win20:53
Bostikagain20:53
BostikI just DevOps'ed the installer and the modded system...20:54
Stskeepshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnrealIRCd20:54
Bostik....20:54
Bostik*Ohhmmmmmmmmm*20:55
sivangStskeeps: http://www.ds-xtra.com/IRCDS ?20:55
Stskeepssivang: see wiki page20:55
sivangah okay20:55
Stskeepsshifted focus to other more exciting things, like, mobile linux20:56
Stskeepsmore realistic work opportunities in that20:56
sivanghehe20:56
Stskeepsstarted doing ircd coding at 1320:57
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Stskeepshello DrWhax20:57
sivangStskeeps: I wrote my first BBS software around that time :)20:57
sivangBBS server softwre that used qualcomm's tcp/ip public domain network library20:57
sivangor maybe it was a different company, but there was a huge lib that we just wrapped into pascal20:58
Stskeepswell, it was my first OSS20:58
sivangStskeeps: pretty neat.20:58
Stskeepsi learnt interesting things, like, why to avoid debian-legal@ like the plague, etc20:58
Stskeeps:P20:58
sivangHAHAH20:58
sivang:p20:58
Bostikhmh, I wonder what my first "contribution" was... probably the unofficial PGP Finnish translation file back in '92 or '93 ....20:59
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sivangI don't know where's that thing, we published it through FidoNet21:01
sivangand some Israeli BBS used it for a while, not sure where it ended21:01
sivang:)21:01
sivanghttp://www.fidonet.org/21:02
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sivanglol, seeing it again- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RemoteAccess we wanted something better than that as it used to crash a lot an dhave mnay security holes ;)21:03
* Stskeeps tried to get his school hooked to fidonet21:03
sivangStskeeps: what happened?21:03
Stskeepsnothing much, i think they didn't want to listen too much to a 10 yo kid babbling about global network connectivity21:04
Stskeeps:P21:04
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DrWhaxStskeeps: hi ;-)21:05
sivangStskeeps: well, look where they are today and where are you :)21:05
sivangmy god, the g'old Front Door you can find anything on wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FrontDoor21:05
StskeepsDrWhax: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions about Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :) else feel free to hang out21:05
sivangDrWhax: yes, it seems we've started the happy hour already reminising about BBSes and computer digital childhoods :)21:06
DrWhaxI'm to young for BBS systems man :(21:07
DrWhaxlike.. my first computer was a pentium 2 mmx 350mhz with 64mb ram21:07
* DrWhax ducks21:07
Stskeepsgood, then you're used to mobile systems ;)21:07
DrWhaxhah :)21:08
sivang+121:08
StskeepsDrWhax: so what brings you herE?21:11
Stskeepshere, that is21:11
DrWhaxoh, i came across fsfe.org/campaigns/android/liberate.en.html recently, and decidded to lurk in the irc channel :)21:12
Stskeeps:nod:21:13
sivangDrWhax: good call.21:13
Stskeepswe don't really do android here, but we do try a different approach21:13
sivangStskeeps: can we add https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution to the channel's topic please?21:13
Stskeepssivang: i thought it was21:13
StskeepsDrWhax: https://plus.google.com/113386402913695079840/posts/AeWgdNikXBP experiments could make future more interesting21:14
sivangStskeeps: oh right, through bit.ly21:14
Stskeepssivang: irc topics are short21:15
sivangStskeeps: should be, yes21:15
DrWhaxI mean, android is just one of the many, i'm sure there are nicer systems out there, and mer looks promising! :)21:15
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DrWhaxStskeeps: cheers for the link21:15
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DrWhaxnice, its kinda hard to find a cheap HP touchpad in .nl :-/21:17
Stskeepswell21:17
Stskeepsthis goes for all android hw21:17
Stskeeps:P21:17
DrWhaxhehe21:17
Stskeepsor at least theoretically should21:17
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Stskeepsi mean, touchpad is just because i have it21:17
DrWhaxsure, buts its still a pretty nice pad with good specs for testing stuff out.21:18
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Stskeepsyeah21:19
Stskeepsbbl sleep21:20
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Stskeepssivang: feel free to mock up a proposal for a red thread through documentation21:20
Stskeepsi have a good collection of notes on problems in them21:20
sivangStskeeps: red threads?21:21
sivangyay, can now flash rootfs21:21
sivang(moslo is cool)21:21
Stskeepshmm21:22
Stskeepsseems like that's not an english term21:22
Stskeepsmoment21:22
sivangsure, np :)21:23
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Stskeepsthe connecting thread, the common thread, thread through the documentation?21:23
sivangStskeeps: I have to apologize, perhaps I'm too tired, but I fail to understand :)21:24
sivangah21:24
sivangI think I got it now21:24
sivang(my brain is tired) So, a connecting thread through docs, from beginning to end.21:25
sivangstart: get to know Mer -> end use Nemo, or become a regular contributor etc?21:25
sivangStskeeps: is that close to what you meant?21:26
Stskeepsmm, keep nemo out of it, just use generic vendor terms21:26
Stskeepsbut yes21:26
sivangStskeeps: okay, will do. I'll start brew it in my brain through getting to know better myself.21:27
sivangStskeeps: I'll add my progress and finding in https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513 is that okay?21:28
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* sivang untars fs onto /media/Alt_OS21:44
sivangumounting takes a while21:45
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sivanggotta love Nokia's warnings21:48
sivangOMGs , is alive!21:48
sivangright so I saw the splash screen, and now..?21:48
sivangthere you are, sweet nemo.21:49
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sivanggood night all!22:00
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rcgw00t, ping22:09
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crevetor_does anyone have a Nexus 7 ?22:52
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