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| lbt | Stskeeps: done snapshot on mer - not on cobs | 00:12 |
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| sp3000 | that's a terrible thing to search for :D | 00:48 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/746 | 02:56 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/747 | 03:27 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: thank you | 04:40 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 04:49 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning Ionakka | 04:55 |
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| Ionakka | Stskeeps: morning \o/ | 05:00 |
| Stskeeps | and good morning to curiosity too :) | 05:01 |
| curiosity | Good morning to everybody! :) | 05:02 |
| curiosity | new day, new possibilities | 05:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 05:06 |
| Stskeeps | curiosity: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/ might be of interest to you, especially the QA meeting mails | 05:06 |
| Stskeeps | and bug triages | 05:06 |
| curiosity | absolutely, yesterday evening I was going thru that | 05:08 |
| curiosity | and continue now it and other info places | 05:08 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 05:08 |
| curiosity | much to info to get familiarized | 05:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. it's also an interesting challenge - how do you both make sure that a vendor can do good QA and not waste time making their own tools, and at same time make sure you deliver quality in what essentially doesn't have a UI or even boots on hardware without additional software | 05:10 |
| curiosity | I have been in UI tester in same project with *iekku* earlier | 05:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: it's really amazing how many people know her around the place | 05:11 |
| curiosity | QA meetings shows people | 05:11 |
| curiosity | yep | 05:11 |
| curiosity | connected person | 05:11 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/Quality is also useful background information as that's what was trying to be done in MeeGo | 05:12 |
| curiosity | thanks | 05:13 |
| curiosity | really useful, much info | 05:18 |
| * Stskeeps tries to dig through his morning email | 05:20 | |
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| timoph | morning | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | morn timoph, how's life? | 05:51 |
| timoph | pretty good, except my back is trying to kill me this morning | 05:52 |
| timoph | fell asleep on the sofa.. | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah, a good evening then :P | 05:53 |
| timoph | :) | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | i usually just walk from my home office to my bed and crash these days.. | 05:54 |
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| curiosity | morning to timoph | 05:56 |
| timoph | o/ | 05:56 |
| curiosity | Stskeeps: life should have balance | 05:56 |
| * timoph goes out for some fresh(ish) air | 05:56 | |
| curiosity | not too much work, needs also sleep and exersice | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. well, a lot of hard work ahead :) | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/working_home does apply at times | 05:58 |
| curiosity | periodically it's can be OK, but lenght=burn out | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 05:58 |
| curiosity | funny comics | 06:00 |
| curiosity | I have been edge of burn out | 06:01 |
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| curiosity | but lucky I get "real" life back | 06:01 |
| curiosity | "The goal is to deliver software release with no open bugs with a priority level of high and a minimal number of open bugs with priority level medium." | 06:02 |
| curiosity | that suit everywhere | 06:02 |
| curiosity | --> laundry to dry | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, doesn't always work like that :P | 06:03 |
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| Stskeeps | anybody with a non-qualcomm android gingerbread device with mer on it who want to check something for me? | 06:13 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: what do you mean by "anybody with a non-qualcomm xxx"? | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: well, just wanting to test on other ARM devices that isn't a qualcomm cpu | 06:55 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: so it is not "Mer runs on android hardware adaption"? | 06:56 |
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| Stskeeps | it is | 06:57 |
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| sonach | I want to check this :) but now my android gingerbread device is MIPS32... | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | i have to add mips patches to my stuff so i'll tell you when i have that :0 | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 06:58 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK. and we will have ARM device soon, maybe hi3716C(my previous platform is hi3716m which is the low-end version of hi3716 series). And I will let you know when the device comes, | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:00 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: If Mer can run on android hardware adaption, and well supports HTML5, I think there will be many good chances. At least in STB field, the carriers are more prone to ship HTML apps rather than Java apps :) | 07:01 |
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| dm8tbr | https://smartdevcon.eu/content/en/simon-bolek-20.html interesting | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | yup | 07:38 |
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| curiosity | everything connects cross | 07:42 |
| curiosity | my little visio: allmost ewery product have connected to net and user can make eg. phonecall thru them: we do not need separate device eg. mobile phone | 07:46 |
| curiosity | browser is a key element, we do everything thru it | 07:47 |
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| mikhas | Stskeeps, do you know how many attendees they expect for SmartDevCon? | 08:12 |
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| Stskeeps | mikhas: i don't know | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx in here is one of the organising people | 08:14 |
| mikhas | ah | 08:14 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, I saw last week or so that you will have a talk there. | 08:14 |
| mikhas | Too late for me to submit anything, of course ;-) | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:14 |
| mikhas | I'll try to get someone from us there, but possibly not me. | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | hello mrudulpen, amulus :) | 08:23 |
| mrudulpen | Stskeeps: :) | 08:24 |
| iekku | morning | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | mrudulpen: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :) | 08:25 |
| mrudulpen | Stskeeps: yes, still trying to setup env. | 08:26 |
| amulus | hello Stskeeps, all :) | 08:26 |
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| amulus | true newbie in #Mer env, but trying to setup env as well. | 08:27 |
| curiosity | 'iekku* morning 0/ | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | sure, feel free to ask at any time | 08:27 |
| iekku | curiosity, o/ | 08:28 |
| mrudulpen | i am looking at this "setup target" nemo mobile instructions over here https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2, wondering if the instruction should be | 08:28 |
| curiosity | iekku how's morning? | 08:29 |
| mrudulpen | mkdir -p /srv/mer/targets/n950rootfs or mkdir -p /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/n950rootfs | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | mrudulpen: last one sounds sane | 08:29 |
| mrudulpen | Stskeeps: hmm | 08:30 |
| iekku | curiosity, slow :) coffee and waking up. 3 more days sleeping late and relaxing. then vacation over :( | 08:31 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: looks like the snapshot went wrong - need to redo it | 08:31 |
| lbt | disk space issue | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 08:32 |
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| lbt | ouch - queue is huge | 08:32 |
| lbt | can we bring phost4 back for a bit? | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | don't worry about it, the sources werent updated | 08:33 |
| lbt | OK - so just re-run the snap ? | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:33 |
| lbt | running | 08:34 |
| lbt | I've purged some old 0.0.1 releases | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:35 |
| curiosity | iekku, life is OK when in vacation and relaxing. I'm familiriazing QA & test issues to see big picture of it, maybe I learn something. | 08:35 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: if I wanted to copypac ofono would I use Mer:fake:Core:armv7hl ? | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but dont copypac, linkpac or branch | 08:37 |
| lbt | why ? | 08:37 |
| alterego | I want to make a downgraded package of the working 0.52 | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: ah ok | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: version numbers | 08:37 |
| lbt | we can't submit back - so I wonder why we branch | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it sets up the repos correctly | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:38 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: is there any easy way to get the state before the upgrade to 1.8? | 08:38 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: it doesn't anymore apparently | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: osc checkout an older version | 08:38 |
| phaeron | even when branching from Mer:fake | 08:38 |
| alterego | Thanks | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 08:38 |
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| Stskeeps | hello ZenoTasedro | 08:38 |
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| jppiiroinen | i have some updates for https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=439 | 08:42 |
| jppiiroinen | just noticed that you were looking the same what i did few weeks ago | 08:43 |
| jppiiroinen | and i spoke with tatu lahtela who made some updates to his own branch related to qt5 tdriver support | 08:43 |
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| jppiiroinen | http://gitorious.org/~ration/tdriver/rations-visualizer | 08:43 |
| jppiiroinen | http://gitorious.org/~ration/tdriver/rations-agent_qt | 08:43 |
| jppiiroinen | so in those qt5 branch the code compiles on qt5 but the fixtures are not working | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, this seems right in Paimen's area too | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: ^^ | 08:44 |
| jppiiroinen | just wanted to share this info so that you do not do a duplicate job :) | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we try hard not to NIH here :) | 08:45 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: I think your remote linking of mer repos is buggering my attempts to downgrade a package. | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: it's all there in the package history | 08:50 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: could you checkout the previous version 0.52 and tar it and stick it somewhere for me? | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: git clone http://review.merproject.org/p/mer-core/ofono | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | and git log, find older version | 08:50 |
| alterego | You keep it in git too? | 08:51 |
| Bostik | git archive --prefix=ofono/ version_0.52_tag | gzip > /tmp/ofono-0.52.tar.gz ... | 08:51 |
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| alterego | no repositories defined for project 'home:tswindell:Mer:fake:Core:armv7hl' | 08:53 |
| alterego | you lied :P | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | well sue me | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:54 |
| alterego | Erm, what project should I use for the repo? | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | see topic | 08:54 |
| alterego | Well, that's what I thought, but autocomplete didn't seem to find it .. | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | Building against Mer in COBS: http://bit.ly/v4riNg | 08:55 |
| alterego | nvm, done it. | 08:56 |
| lbt | use Mer:MDS rather than Mer:fake | 08:57 |
| w00t | MDS seems to autocreate repos | 08:58 |
| lbt | ah, good | 08:58 |
| w00t | at least the 2-3 times I've used it | 08:58 |
| w00t | (and lbt, if you had a hand in that, <3) | 08:59 |
| mikhas | w00t, great stuff in that TMO nemo thread | 08:59 |
| mikhas | it all still looks a bit inconsistent, but oh well :-) | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | need designers | 09:00 |
| mikhas | double-edged sword, see GNOME | 09:00 |
| w00t | mikhas: there will (gradually) be more consistency, I think | 09:00 |
| mikhas | there, designers have fully taken over, to the effect that *developers* now stay away | 09:00 |
| w00t | step 1: get it working, step 2: get it looking nice | 09:01 |
| w00t | step 3: world domination? | 09:01 |
| mikhas | step 4: profit? | 09:01 |
| w00t | hehe | 09:01 |
| Paimen | jppiiroinen: yeah I have been looking your branch | 09:04 |
| Paimen | jppiiroinen: and I think what is needed to do is to take those qt5 changs to master as qt5 branch is bit behind master | 09:05 |
| Paimen | fixtures is something I'm familiar to fix after I can start banging my head against that brickwall | 09:06 |
| jppiiroinen | ^^ | 09:06 |
| Paimen | most propably yu just need to fix sut_qt to enable scenegraph items and then add handling for those to code | 09:06 |
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| Paimen | I have done that already for 4.8 with qtquick 2.0 | 09:07 |
| Paimen | and mix breed of tdriver 1.3.1 and qml2 branch | 09:07 |
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| jppiiroinen | Paimen: unfortunately, i wont have a dedicated time for now for tdriver, but that rations branch is owned by adeus@freenode and he was working on the fixtures, if i recall properly too | 09:08 |
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| jppiiroinen | Paimen: but i would be a user for tdriver on qt5 for sure | 09:09 |
| jppiiroinen | Paimen: and i was actually looking for if there are other users for it as well | 09:09 |
| jppiiroinen | Paimen: as i need to justify it at work | 09:09 |
| jppiiroinen | Paimen: and to convince that there are maintainers for tdriver still | 09:10 |
| Paimen | jppiiroinen: yup, well I try to get my work started and I'll see what I can do. Problem is despite I'm not working currently my wife is too good to come up with errants | 09:10 |
| jppiiroinen | :-D | 09:10 |
| jppiiroinen | sounds familiar | 09:10 |
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| alterego | lol | 09:28 |
| mike7b4 | iekku last week vacation for me too :( | 09:32 |
| jppiiroinen | if there are people interested about #tdriver, you might want to join | 09:33 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: we should push busybox to Mer after this next "fast" release. | 09:41 |
| Sage | it would help with lots of adaptations to create initrd sort of things. | 09:42 |
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| sp3000 | oh, btw, gerrit reviews, should I find and add reviewers, or do people follow and jump on things eventually | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | people jump on it | 09:59 |
| sp3000 | alright | 09:59 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: pcre still building? | 10:02 |
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| Sage | that will take long long time :/ | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: we kicked almost everything | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:03 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I would propose accepting the mpc update as well if it gets reviewed as it too causes large rebuild | 10:03 |
| Sage | with the pcre that is | 10:03 |
| * Sage does review round for open reviews | 10:04 | |
| sp3000 | I suppose I should be thankful for the city drilling holes in the street and the neighbors drilling holes in the walls on the same morning instead of separately | 10:10 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning lakaila | 10:55 |
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| lakaila | hello Stskeeps, or good afternoon | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, we use UGT here.. when you enter, it's good morning, when you leave, it's good night ;) | 10:59 |
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| lakaila | ah, good morning then :) | 11:02 |
| lakaila | i tried to follow instructions on Platform_SDK wiki, and I propably missed the line "Don't do zypper up!" because Installation of ca-certificates-2012.81-1.9 failed | 11:04 |
| lakaila | first i thought it's a bug in ca-certificates rpm but I guess it just doesn't upgrade cleanly | 11:09 |
| E-P | lbt_away: eat-device and openssh-server are the most important ones | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | lakaila: there's abug report talking about how to work around it | 11:09 |
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| E-P | I am pretty badly online at the moment because of the moving | 11:10 |
| lakaila | Stskeeps: ok, which bug id? | 11:10 |
| E-P | phaeron: could you host tomorrow's qa meeting? | 11:11 |
| Sviox | Hi all | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | hello Sviox :) | 11:11 |
| phaeron | E-P: I can try though I never did host a meeting before :) | 11:11 |
| E-P | phaeron: would be great, mainly for status update | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | Sviox: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time | 11:12 |
| phaeron | E-P: ok :) | 11:12 |
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| Sviox | Anyone want to help me get started with mer/nemo? I've set up the environment and sb2 seems to be working (only used sb1 previously) and I can compile and run simple hello world too. However.. I get "db4 error" when I try to install qt4-qmake package with zypper (in fact it also comes with zypper ref..). Any ideas what goes wrong? | 11:14 |
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| E-P | phaeron: thanks | 11:14 |
| E-P | I will send the invitation email | 11:14 |
| phaeron | ok | 11:15 |
| Sviox | My previous experiences come from the Harmattan platform (Debian packaging, SB1, Xephyr etc.) so I'm a bit on the uncharted waters here with the Mer SDK and Nemo target :) | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | Sviox: show me the line you use to install qt4-qmake? | 11:17 |
| Sviox | zypper in qt4-qmake | 11:18 |
| Sviox | as root | 11:18 |
| Sviox | and "zypper ref" game me the exact same error | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | Sviox: sb2 -t <target name> -R zypper in qt4-qmake ? | 11:19 |
| Sviox | yes, tried that first, then entered sb via "sb2 -t nemo-n950 -R" and the above pasted line | 11:20 |
| Sviox | outside sb2, seems the stderr isn't outputted for some reason | 11:20 |
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| Sviox | the exact error is: "error: db4 error(-30971) from dbenv->open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch" | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | Sviox: can you walk me through exact steps used and put it on pastie.org? | 11:24 |
| Sviox | sure, just a sec | 11:25 |
| Sviox | here: http://pastie.org/4411349 | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | okay, and how did you set up the target? | 11:30 |
| Sviox | tried rpm --rebuilddb but that didn't help too much.. | 11:30 |
| Sviox | following instructions on https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | i hate asking this, but could you try that from scratch? :P | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | it just makes it easier to help debug with you :) | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | and do it on a pastie | 11:31 |
| Sviox | I hate being asked that too ;) | 11:31 |
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| Ionakka | rozhkov: hi | 11:40 |
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| Ionakka | would you happen to know what Manager::RegisterAgent in connman exactly does? | 11:41 |
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| Sviox | I suppose running sb-init with a target name already existing overwrites the old target? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | yes, should | 11:48 |
| Ionakka | <Sviox> the exact error is: "error: db4 error(-30971) from dbenv->open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch" <--- i had similar situation | 11:51 |
| Ionakka | after installing stuff from inside sb2 | 11:52 |
| rozhkov | Ionakka: hi, it registers an agent handling user requests | 11:52 |
| rozhkov | Ionakka: http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/connman/connman.git;a=blob;f=doc/manager-api.txt;h=ca193aa2b1bb5e51be77fb4ab8dc79e635acb825;hb=HEAD | 11:52 |
| Sviox | Ionakka: how did you resolve the issue? | 11:52 |
| Ionakka | rozhkov: i've checked the doc @Â git but didn't tell much what it means in practice o.O | 11:53 |
| Ionakka | Sviox: $ sb2 -R rm /var/lib/rpm/__db.* | 11:54 |
| Ionakka | $ sb2 -m sdk-install -R rpm --initdb | 11:54 |
| Ionakka | rozhkov: anyway, that question came when i was looking @ NetworkingModel in connman-qt | 11:55 |
| Ionakka | it basically calls (un)register during construction/destruction | 11:55 |
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| Ionakka | would be good to understand what it's done for | 11:55 |
| Sviox | hmm, I think I got that installed now after reinstalling the target.. | 11:55 |
| Sviox | even though I really don't think I did anything differently :) | 11:56 |
| Ionakka | and whether that needs to be done when connman service becomes available again | 11:56 |
| rozhkov | Ionakka: sometime connman needs user's input (e.g. WEP passphrase, WPS, etc...). for this purpose frontend UI registers an agent that can be used by connman to show an input form | 11:57 |
| Sviox | there is also a small error in https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2, it says to do "cd /srv/mer..." when in fact I think it should say to make sure the SDK is connected and entered and then "cd /parentroot/srv/..." because the sb2 is inside the SDK, not the host system | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | Sviox: please fix | 11:58 |
| rozhkov | Ionakka: in case of libconnman-qt NetworkModel registers itself in connman as an agent for user interactions | 11:59 |
| Ionakka | rozhkov: so it should be called whenever lost connman service becomes available again? | 12:00 |
| rozhkov | Ionakka: yes, i suppose | 12:01 |
| Sviox | Stskeeps: I'll try | 12:01 |
| Ionakka | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226 <--- i've made kinda "fix" there but i'll update the first patch | 12:02 |
| rozhkov | Ionakka: ok, i'll review it later today | 12:03 |
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| Pauli__ | Hi, I minor problem with systemd. | 12:11 |
| Pauli__ | What package creates the multi-user.target.wants/network.target link ? | 12:11 |
| Sviox | Allraight.. got my helloqt to compile, and "file helloqt" saus it's compiled for ARM, but why does running it (sb2 -t nemo-n950 ./helloqt) open a window in the host system? How do I launch some sort of emulator with the actual environment for it? | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | Sviox: we use VirtualBox for that typically | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | we don't do emulators, we have actual full running systems for x86 | 12:17 |
| Sviox | okay.. you lost me at around word number 4 there ;) | 12:18 |
| Sviox | what do you mean full running systems? | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | as in for example Nemo runs entirely fine on intel processors :) | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#i586_Virtual_Machine | 12:18 |
| zzats | i was a bit suprised how 'functional' nemo is | 12:19 |
| Sviox | I've got my VMWare running Ubuntu with the SDK, and I did test some OS image created for x86 with VMWare as well, but I can't quite see the connection in developing with the SDK and how to actually test the code... | 12:19 |
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| Stskeeps | Sviox: well, imagine the virtual machine is a device | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the virtual machine with mer inside it | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | zzats: dysfunctional? ;) | 12:20 |
| zzats | that comment was not supposed to include any irony :) | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:20 |
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| Sviox | Stskeeps: ...so how do I test my helloqt? | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | Sviox: for example scp it to the device | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | there should be a openssh server running on your image probably | 12:22 |
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| Sviox | so there is no way to, for example, run the home app (with launcher etc.) on the development machine inside QEMU or similar? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | that's where the virtualbox comes in | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | you might even be able to boot it fine in vmware, too | 12:26 |
| * Stskeeps goes take a screenshot to illustrate his point.. | 12:27 | |
| Sviox | quite fine, though some apps seem to result in only black screen (like the maps app) | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's a compositor issue | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | there's a workaround but it reduces fps | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | "I have the same issue. Seems that the necessary drivers are missing. In my case the workaround was to install the 'mesa-llvmpipe-dri-swrast-driver' package (zypper in mesa-llvmpipe-dri-swrast-driver). | 12:28 |
| Sviox | how to run the workaround? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | " | 12:28 |
| Sviox | ok :) | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | you can get to a terminal by ctrl-alt-f2 | 12:28 |
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| Sviox | so.. how do you test platform components? Just compile and package them with SDK then install in the virtualbox running Mer/Nemo? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, for example | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | we are working on virtual machine based testing too, device testing, etc | 12:30 |
| Sviox | sounds a bit complicated compared to using Xephyr/Qemu | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | the issue with xephyr is that in practice, it doesn't give a full working system | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | qemu is usually an arm target version | 12:30 |
| Sviox | oh.. and damn it, now I need to install one more target, for x86 :P | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | you can run mer in qemu too but it doesn't always perform as well as virtualbox | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | in 95% of cases, it doesn't matter you develop on x86 anyway :) | 12:31 |
| Sviox | man oh man.. tried to open another vmware player window and they both crashed on some weird memory allocation error.. | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | Sviox: virtualization is fun | 12:35 |
| Sviox | truly it is | 12:35 |
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| Sviox | hehe, happens every time I try to launch the Nemo virtual machine now.. wonder why it worked previously | 12:38 |
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| Sviox | any other way to open the terminal? Ctrl+Alt is reserved combo in VMWare to escape from virtualized context :> | 12:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Sviox: there should be a host key functionality of some sort.. | 12:45 |
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| Sviox | okay, there is terminal in launcher tab as well.. BUT the terminal also shows only black screen (except when minimized in the open apps view) | 12:46 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 12:48 |
| Sviox | so it's a bit difficult to type anything :D | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-alt should be possibel to use :) | 12:49 |
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| Sviox | finally found how to change that hotkey.. had to manually adit VMWare's preferences.init.. And I though this would be common enough problem for some UI checkbox! :) | 12:57 |
| Ionakka | rozhkov: i've updated the patch and reassigned the bug to nobody | 12:58 |
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| Sviox | now, I installed Nemo onto the virtual box (instead of using directly from ISO image), and ctrl+shift+F2 stopped working.. jams the whole thing into weird graphical state.. any advice? :) | 13:08 |
| Sviox | actually, I can get back to GUI mode with ctrl+shift+F1.. but the terminal mode is broken now | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | try again | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | f3 maybe | 13:10 |
| Sviox | tried a few times | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 13:10 |
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| curiosity | Hello juriikon 0/ | 13:16 |
| juriikon | hi curiosity :) I just noticed your mail reply in mailing list | 13:18 |
| rozhkov | Ionakka: ok, thanks | 13:18 |
| curiosity | yes, so how's going? | 13:18 |
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| curiosity | juriikon: yes, so how's going? | 13:22 |
| juriikon | curiosity: Well it's going just fine, thanks for asking, how about you? :) | 13:23 |
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| curiosity | juriikon: fine thanks, second day to learn new things. Lot's of "asiaa" and people to meet :) | 13:27 |
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| juriikon | yes, this is second day for me now also.... And there's lots of learning to do for me also | 13:28 |
| curiosity | every day is a new day to learn something new = life | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | hey crevetor | 13:33 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: hey, just replied to your mail. Very excited :) | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 13:34 |
| juriikon | curiosity: I just sent you private message, if you have some time for little discussion :) | 13:37 |
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| curiosity | juriikon: of course! | 13:42 |
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| lbt | NOTICE: gerrit / git code review reboot happening now ... don't be alarmed :) | 14:10 |
| phaeron | *panic* | 14:11 |
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| lbt | all back | 14:19 |
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| Sviox | How do I get my hands on the code of the platform? | 14:39 |
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| Stskeeps | Sviox: see wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution and Contribution_in_detail | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb gives a good overview | 14:42 |
| Sviox | okay I'll check it tomorrow, feeling tried for today | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:45 |
| mrudulpen | where do i look for in nemo modules if i have to look at telephony code, is it ce:mw:mtf | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | mrudulpen: dialer or ofono? | 14:49 |
| mrudulpen | Stskeeps: i think it should be ofono | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | mrudulpen: git clone http://review.merproject.org/p/mer-core/ofono | 14:50 |
| mrudulpen | Stskeeps: thxs | 14:50 |
| Sviox | Stskeeps: what about the UI apps, Nemo etc., seems that git has only the low-level stuff | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | Sviox: right - so, Mer is a core, it doesn't contain UIs or hardware adaptations. combine with a hardware adaptation and you have something bootable, combine with a UI and you have something shiny | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | Sviox: the same core is shared in different projects or even companies | 14:56 |
| Sviox | I'm more into the shiny stuff, being a UI designer :) | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 14:57 |
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| Stskeeps | so nemo is .. well, before i say 'all over the place', github.com/nemomobile is a good start | 14:57 |
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| Sviox | Doesn't seem very UI-driven :) | 14:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Sviox: we just make sure your stuff runs with 60fps :) | 15:00 |
| Sviox | good luck with that :) | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | so Nemo is a project that provides N900/N950/N9 adaptations and the generic X86 adaptation, and a handset UI on top of that | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | mer provides all the unsexy stuff we all need but don't want to deal with on a daily basis, like systemd, xorg, wayland, mesa, qt, etc.. | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:03 |
| Sviox | :) | 15:04 |
| Sviox | ..and how does the OBS fit into all this? Isn't that some sort of community build system? Does it pull all the stuff from all the git repos around to create the images? | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | OBS is build farm software, deep down | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | so there's multiple instances of OBS, one of them is for example meego community obs, opensuse's build service, tizen OBS, etc.. | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | if you look around at https://build.pub.meego.com -> projects, and deeper into packages | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | in Mer itself we 'just' use OBS as a builder, so we push sources to it from git and it builds packages and repositories for us | 15:07 |
| Sviox | okay thanks | 15:07 |
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| Stskeeps | in Nemo it's a little more involved | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: http://github.com/stskeeps/libhybris | 15:09 |
| javispedro | :) | 15:11 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: other funny issue btw, malloc | 15:11 |
| javispedro | hm, both will eventually call sbrk | 15:13 |
| javispedro | but you can (probably) replace one with the other without problems | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, except for internal-libc issues i guess | 15:13 |
| javispedro | actually | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | ran into fun stuff like malloc.c:2451: sYSMALLOc: Assertion `(old_top == (((mbinptr) (((char *) &((av)->bins[((1) - 1) * 2])) - __builtin_offsetof (struct malloc_chunk, fd)))) && old_size == 0) || ((unsigned long) (old_size) >= (unsigned long)((((__builtin_offsetof (struct malloc_chunk, fd_nextsize))+((2 * (sizeof(size_t))) - 1)) & ~((2 * (sizeof(size_t))) - 1))) && ((old_top)->size & 0x1) && ((unsigned long)old_end & pagemask) == 0)' ... | 15:15 |
| javispedro | maybe you can configure both to use mmap? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | ... failed. | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's the other option | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | mmap in bionic would do the trick | 15:15 |
| javispedro | imho I would just try to map bionic's malloc to glibc. | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:16 |
| javispedro | then when it fails get into the fun stuff :) | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | that's what happened | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:16 |
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| lbt | Sage: what's the correct format for RepositoryURLVariables? | 17:15 |
| lbt | not - TOOLS_RELEASE: 5.1.0 | 17:15 |
| lbt | nor TOOLS_RELEASE: 5.1.0 | 17:15 |
| Sage | first after you take latest commits from my tree ;) | 17:15 |
| lbt | done | 17:15 |
| Sage | it was - abc; def first | 17:15 |
| Sage | but now it is - abc: def | 17:16 |
| lbt | I have def __handle_repo_url_vars(self, r, var_dict) | 17:16 |
| lbt | WARNING: Ignoring 'TOOLS_RELEASE' repository URL variable. | 17:16 |
| lbt | with - TOOLS_RELEASE: 5.1.0 | 17:17 |
| lbt | WARNING: Ignoring '{}' repository URL variable. | 17:17 |
| lbt | with TOOLS_RELEASE: 5.1.0 | 17:17 |
| Sage | err... | 17:17 |
| * Sage checks | 17:17 | |
| Sage | RepositoryURLVariables: - better: na - err: abc | 17:17 |
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| lbt | https://gist.github.com/3296781 | 17:19 |
| CosmoHill | hey | 17:20 |
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| lbt | Sage: | 17:26 |
| lbt | for key in var_dict: | 17:26 |
| lbt | r['Url'] = r['Url'].replace("%s" % key, var_dict[key]) | 17:26 |
| lbt | hey CosmoHill | 17:27 |
| CosmoHill | how are you? | 17:28 |
| lbt | pretty chilled atm | 17:28 |
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| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: I'm wanting to build my own Operating System (on #mer of course) and I hold you *personally* responsible :) | 17:59 |
| bigbluehat | btw, the #touchpad demo was fabulously promising :) | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: good ;) | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | start thinking of it as a product and life becomes easier | 18:00 |
| bigbluehat | ? | 18:00 |
| bigbluehat | how so? | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of what you need to do | 18:00 |
| bigbluehat | ah. Yeah, kind of there already in some ways... | 18:01 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly why his touchpad isn't charging sanely under mer | 18:01 | |
| bigbluehat | it just feels daunting :/ | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | it's not really :) | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | compared to when i started a couple of years ago, things are damn easy now | 18:01 |
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| CosmoHill | "sanely"? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: 'not really a lot' | 18:02 |
| bigbluehat | yeah, lots of "prior art" | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: just grab mer platform sdk and it starts coming together | 18:02 |
| bigbluehat | yeah, that's definitely where I'll start | 18:02 |
| bigbluehat | once I find that big pile of time which is bound to be under this stack of paper | 18:02 |
| * bigbluehat rummages | 18:03 | |
| bigbluehat | hrm...wrong stack | 18:03 |
| bigbluehat | reading this instead http://www.osnews.com/story/22156/In_the_Round_Haiku_Alpha_Released | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: so what are you hoping to build? | 18:05 |
| bigbluehat | Mer + CouchDB + HTML5/JS UX + loads of CouchApps + Synergy from webOS | 18:06 |
| bigbluehat | ish :) | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | synergy.. | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | what was that again? | 18:06 |
| bigbluehat | it's the thing that lets you consolidate all your online accounts into a single place | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:07 |
| bigbluehat | so you can hook in Facebook and have people in contacts, photos in photos, etc | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | either way, that sounds easy-ish | 18:07 |
| bigbluehat | you can use the Facebook app of course to "focus" on that community | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | package up couchdb, write up something, wrap it in qtwebkit | 18:07 |
| bigbluehat | but the people still show up where you expect them too...with the other people in Contacts | 18:07 |
| bigbluehat | yeah, it sounds easyish in my head too :) | 18:08 |
| bigbluehat | that's the scary bit ;) | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's meant to be | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:08 |
| bigbluehat | :) | 18:09 |
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| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: would QTonPi be a good place to start? | 18:13 |
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| bigbluehat | or should I stick with the platform sdk? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: mer platform sdk, qtonpi as a platform is dead as a doornail | 18:13 |
| bigbluehat | oh | 18:13 |
| bigbluehat | it's still on raspberrypi.org's download list | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | start out by developing in a virtual machine to make your life easier | 18:14 |
| bigbluehat | why's it dead? | 18:14 |
| lbt | and I'll be doing Pi-based docs RSN | 18:14 |
| bigbluehat | yeah, good point | 18:14 |
| * lbt goes back to food | 18:14 | |
| bigbluehat | lbt: great! | 18:14 |
| bigbluehat | :) | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: well, it started with this guy talking about burning platforms.. | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm sure you know the rest | 18:14 |
| bigbluehat | burning platforms? | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | elop | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:14 |
| bigbluehat | ah | 18:15 |
| bigbluehat | was there any news about the QTonPi thing being dumped? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | not really, except for some mailing list mentions | 18:16 |
| bigbluehat | this still looks "promising" http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-RaspberryPi | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | people are still getting raspberry pi's from the initiative, but the qtonpi platform itself is dead | 18:16 |
| bigbluehat | meaning, I'd have read that and thot it was legit | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | qt5 on pi is still working though | 18:16 |
| bigbluehat | ah, k | 18:16 |
| bigbluehat | well no worries | 18:16 |
| bigbluehat | it's running arch atm | 18:16 |
| bigbluehat | and I'm happy enough with that there for now | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | i should really put my pi's into use.. | 18:16 |
| bigbluehat | yeah...it fits into my grand scheme quite nicely :) | 18:17 |
| bigbluehat | it just seems I don't >_< | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | get unemployed for a few months, does wonders to your open source contributions :P | 18:27 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: true that, I'm actually wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to take an unpaid leave for a couple of month to advance on things I want to do | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | otoh | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | food on table first | 18:47 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: yeah, but I could manage for a few month | 18:47 |
| Sage | lbt: did you mean that each of the .yaml files entered on the cmdline are handled as separate or so that they are merged to one big three? | 18:49 |
| Paimen | things I learned today, that there is some interested people wondering what happens to tdriver now | 18:49 |
| * Sage guesses separate but wants to be sure | 18:49 | |
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| lbt | Sage: merged into a tree | 18:49 |
| lbt | so that I can break out the variables | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: good :) | 18:50 |
| Paimen | btw: there is #tdriver where we talk about those qt5 fixes and more just tdriver related things | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 18:51 |
| situ | Stskeeps: Last week I was trying to fix a bug and there was some problem in name of the repository I think it was "testing". | 18:55 |
| situ | What's name of the repository for mint tools ? | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | Mer:Tools:Testing | 18:56 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: BTW have you seen this : http://vimeo.com/46304267 it made me think of the next step after "a day made of glass" | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: nop, but check out vimeo.com/46141222 too | 18:56 |
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| Sage | lbt: you can break out the variables already with -e if you want | 18:59 |
| Sage | echo "Variable stuff" > /tmp/myvariables.yaml; mer-kickstarter -c right.yaml -e /tmp/ | 18:59 |
| lbt | ah, I read that as taking a string to be parsed, not a file | 19:00 |
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| lbt | oh, -e, not -r | 19:01 |
| lbt | sry | 19:01 |
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| Sage | np. :) | 19:02 |
| lbt | FWIW I'm just using it now to make some SDK images - just a PITA to make group.xml mods (needs a republish) | 19:04 |
| Sage | ok, let me know if you face problems. I was thinking of taggin 0.16 | 19:04 |
| lbt | I'd politely suggest some option renaming :) | 19:04 |
| lbt | I'll do a review if you like | 19:05 |
| Sage | I'm open for feedback, don't be affraid telling what is wrong ;) | 19:07 |
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| situ | What's the code name for mint tools in gerrit ? | 19:19 |
| situ | mer-tools ? | 19:19 |
| lbt | mer-tools is more SDK stuff | 19:20 |
| lbt | mint isn't quite there yet | 19:20 |
| situ | Should I submit it throught "osc submitreq" ? | 19:21 |
| lbt | I'm in the process of making mer-tools authoritative | 19:21 |
| lbt | what for? | 19:21 |
| situ | I am making some changes in spectacle package in mint. | 19:21 |
| lbt | spectacle is SDK, not MINT :) | 19:21 |
| situ | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423 | 19:21 |
| lbt | MINT is for things that run on Suse/Debian (like OBS, BOSS, IMG etc) | 19:21 |
| lbt | yeah, fair comment :) | 19:22 |
| lbt | sec | 19:22 |
| lbt | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/spectacle.git;a=summary | 19:23 |
| situ | ok, so how should I submit the patch ? | 19:24 |
| situ | It's in gerrit right ? | 19:25 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: can situ use the gerrit git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master ? | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | situ: i've seen him do it succesfully on other packages, so yes | 19:26 |
| lbt | meaning mer-tools/ | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | should be possible | 19:26 |
| lbt | situ: OK - lets see how this goes | 19:26 |
| situ | Ok, I will try it (when the patch is ready :P ) | 19:27 |
| lbt | follow the clone process shown in https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail | 19:27 |
| lbt | situ: OK - FWIW someone already fixed this but it didn't get merged upstream | 19:27 |
| lbt | Sage: ^^ | 19:28 |
| lbt | Sage: the whole process discussion | 19:28 |
| situ | I got version 0.25 in through osc checkout while on gitweb it's 0.24.1 | 19:28 |
| situ | I tried it few days, don't tell me it's not yet fixed. | 19:29 |
| situ | few days back * | 19:29 |
| lbt | that's because I've not pushed the 0.25 in Mer:Tools:Testing to mer-tools yet | 19:31 |
| situ | ok.. | 19:32 |
| situ | Can I do it ? | 19:32 |
| situ | What's the process of updating a package to new version ? | 19:33 |
| lbt | there you go, pushed | 19:33 |
| lbt | well, lets start with a bug-fix through gerrit | 19:35 |
| Sage | lbt: I haven't seen the fix but I recall someone doing a patch yes. | 19:39 |
| Sage | I haven't seen it as push to the git tree that is. | 19:39 |
| lbt | ok | 19:40 |
| lbt | and this will push straight to the gerrit git repo | 19:40 |
| lbt | I could setup a mer-0.25 branch which contains any patches if you want to keep gitorious as master - or you can use gerrit as master now | 19:41 |
| lbt | I think we'll do a package-review of pushes to pkg-mer | 19:41 |
| lbt | ie that will trigger CI | 19:42 |
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| situ | lbt: I have changed .spec file, after I run specify *yaml my changes disappear. | 19:51 |
| lbt | yes, change yaml :) | 19:51 |
| situ | Pathces are added in .spec file ? | 19:52 |
| lbt | hmm | 19:52 |
| situ | It gives me this message | 19:53 |
| situ | Info: Getting tags from SCM... | 19:53 |
| situ | Info: Old spec file exists, patching spectacle.spec ... | 19:53 |
| lbt | so, Mer:Tools doesn't use the same process as Mer:Core | 19:53 |
| situ | What's the process for Mer:Tools ? | 19:53 |
| lbt | for Mer:Tools you just send a code fix to the code branch (for now) | 19:53 |
| lbt | I've not finalised it yet | 19:54 |
| situ | with submitreq ? | 19:54 |
| lbt | no. with git | 19:54 |
| lbt | so you clone the tree | 19:54 |
| lbt | edit the master branch | 19:54 |
| lbt | push HEAD:refs/for/master | 19:54 |
| situ | Ok.. | 19:54 |
| lbt | just the code change | 19:54 |
| lbt | this should generate a code review | 19:54 |
| lbt | but not a new package at this point | 19:54 |
| lbt | now, it would be good if you could locally do the packaging too, I agree | 19:55 |
| lbt | but that needs tools I've not yet released | 19:55 |
| lbt | so it makes it a bit tricky to test | 19:55 |
| situ | When I do git diff it doesn't show me any changes, I have changed .spec file which is tracked by git. | 19:57 |
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| situ | git status shows me new patch file which I added. | 19:57 |
| lbt | situ: OK, I think I need to say that the process for sending patches for Mer:Tools just isn't ready yet | 19:58 |
| lbt | I need to write up a step-by-step for people | 19:58 |
| situ | Ok, let me try again.. | 19:59 |
| lbt | note you should be on the master branch, not pkg-mer | 19:59 |
| lbt | gitk is your friend | 19:59 |
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| situ | Let's fix it later :) | 20:02 |
| situ | I will try to fix other bugs. | 20:03 |
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| lbt | situ: sorry - just bad timing | 20:13 |
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| situ | lbt: how should I got about fixing https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332 ? | 20:16 |
| situ | Download the package from official repository and replace old one. | 20:17 |
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| lbt | essentially yes - this uses the normal process here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail | 20:21 |
| situ | Ok, I will try to update some packages. | 20:24 |
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| lbt | thanks for persevering situ | 20:26 |
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