Wednesday, 2012-08-08

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lbtStskeeps: done snapshot on mer - not on cobs00:12
lbtbed now00:12
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* sp3000 wonders where %{**} is documented00:46
sp3000that's a terrible thing to search for :D00:48
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Stskeepsphaeron: thank you04:40
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Stskeepsgood morning04:49
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Stskeepsgood morning Ionakka04:55
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IonakkaStskeeps: morning \o/05:00
Stskeepsand good morning to curiosity too :)05:01
curiosityGood morning to everybody! :)05:02
curiositynew day, new possibilities05:04
Stskeepscuriosity: might be of interest to you, especially the QA meeting mails05:06
Stskeepsand bug triages05:06
curiosityabsolutely, yesterday evening I was going thru that05:08
curiosityand continue now it and other info places05:08
curiositymuch to info to get familiarized05:08
Stskeepsyeah.. it's also an interesting challenge - how do you both make sure that a vendor can do good QA and not waste time making their own tools, and at same time make sure you deliver quality in what essentially doesn't have a UI or even boots on hardware without additional software05:10
curiosityI have been in UI tester in same project with *iekku* earlier05:10
Stskeeps:nod: it's really amazing how many people know her around the place05:11
curiosityQA meetings shows people05:11
curiosityconnected person05:11
Stskeeps is also useful background information as that's what was trying to be done in MeeGo05:12
curiosityreally useful, much info05:18
* Stskeeps tries to dig through his morning email05:20
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Stskeepsmorn timoph, how's life?05:51
timophpretty good, except my back is trying to kill me this morning05:52
timophfell asleep on the sofa..05:52
Stskeepsah, a good evening then :P05:53
Stskeepsi usually just walk from my home office to my bed and crash these days..05:54
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curiositymorning  to timoph05:56
curiosityStskeeps: life should have balance05:56
* timoph goes out for some fresh(ish) air05:56
curiositynot too much work, needs also sleep and exersice05:57
Stskeepsyeah.. well, a lot of hard work ahead :)05:57
Stskeeps does apply at times05:58
curiosityperiodically it's can be OK, but lenght=burn out05:58
curiosityfunny comics06:00
curiosityI have been edge of burn out06:01
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curiositybut lucky I get "real" life back06:01
curiosity"The goal is to deliver software release with no open bugs with a priority level of high and a minimal number of open bugs with priority level medium."06:02
curiositythat suit everywhere06:02
curiosity--> laundry to dry06:03
Stskeepsyeah, doesn't always work like that :P06:03
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Stskeepsanybody with a non-qualcomm android gingerbread device with mer on it who want to check something for me?06:13
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sonachStskeeps: what do you mean by "anybody with a non-qualcomm xxx"?06:55
Stskeepssonach: well, just wanting to test on other ARM devices that isn't a qualcomm cpu06:55
sonachStskeeps: so it is not "Mer runs on android hardware adaption"?06:56
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Stskeepsit is06:57
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sonachI want to check this :) but now my android gingerbread device is MIPS32...06:58
Stskeepsi have to add mips patches to my stuff so i'll tell you when i have that :006:58
sonachStskeeps: OK. and we will have ARM device soon, maybe hi3716C(my previous platform is hi3716m which is the low-end version of hi3716 series). And I will let you know when the device comes,06:59
sonachStskeeps: If Mer can run on android hardware adaption, and well supports HTML5, I think there will be many good chances.  At least in STB field, the carriers are more prone to ship HTML apps rather than Java apps :)07:01
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dm8tbr interesting07:38
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curiosityeverything connects cross07:42
curiositymy little visio: allmost ewery product have connected to net and user can make eg. phonecall thru them: we do not need separate device eg. mobile phone07:46
curiositybrowser is a key element, we do everything thru it07:47
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mikhasStskeeps, do you know how many attendees they expect for SmartDevCon?08:12
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Stskeepsmikhas: i don't know08:13
Stskeepsfk_lx in here is one of the organising people08:14
mikhasStskeeps, I saw last week or so that you will have a talk there.08:14
mikhasToo late for me to submit anything, of course ;-)08:14
mikhasI'll try to get someone from us there, but possibly not me.08:15
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Stskeepshello mrudulpen, amulus :)08:23
mrudulpenStskeeps: :)08:24
Stskeepsmrudulpen: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :)08:25
mrudulpenStskeeps: yes, still trying to setup env.08:26
amulushello Stskeeps, all :)08:26
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amulustrue newbie in #Mer env, but trying to setup env as well.08:27
curiosity'iekku* morning 0/08:27
Stskeepssure, feel free to ask at any time08:27
iekkucuriosity, o/08:28
mrudulpeni am looking at this "setup target" nemo mobile instructions over here, wondering if the instruction should be08:28
curiosityiekku how's morning?08:29
mrudulpenmkdir -p /srv/mer/targets/n950rootfs or mkdir -p /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/n950rootfs08:29
Stskeepsmrudulpen: last one sounds sane08:29
mrudulpenStskeeps: hmm08:30
iekkucuriosity, slow :) coffee and waking up. 3 more days sleeping late and relaxing. then vacation over :(08:31
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lbtStskeeps: looks like the snapshot went wrong - need to redo it08:31
lbtdisk space issue08:32
Stskeepslbt: ok08:32
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lbtouch - queue is huge08:32
lbtcan we bring phost4 back for a bit?08:32
Stskeeps don't worry about it, the sources werent updated08:33
lbtOK - so just re-run the snap ?08:33
lbtI've purged some old 0.0.1 releases08:34
curiosityiekku, life is OK when in vacation and relaxing. I'm familiriazing QA & test issues to see big picture of it, maybe I learn something.08:35
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alteregoStskeeps: if I wanted to copypac ofono would I use Mer:fake:Core:armv7hl ?08:36
Stskeepsyes, but dont copypac, linkpac or branch08:37
lbtwhy ?08:37
alteregoI want to make a downgraded package of the working 0.5208:37
Stskeepsalterego: ah ok08:37
Stskeepslbt: version numbers08:37
lbtwe can't submit back - so I wonder why we branch08:37
Stskeepslbt: it sets up the repos correctly08:37
alteregoStskeeps: is there any easy way to get the state before the upgrade to 1.8?08:38
phaeronStskeeps: it doesn't anymore apparently08:38
Stskeepsalterego: osc checkout an older version08:38
phaeroneven when branching from Mer:fake08:38
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Stskeepshello ZenoTasedro08:38
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jppiiroineni have some updates for
jppiiroinenjust noticed that you were looking the same what i did few weeks ago08:43
jppiiroinenand i spoke with tatu lahtela who made some updates to his own branch related to qt5 tdriver support08:43
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jppiiroinenso in those qt5 branch the code compiles on qt5 but the fixtures are not working08:44
Stskeepshmm, this seems right in Paimen's area too08:44
StskeepsPaimen: ^^08:44
jppiiroinenjust wanted to share this info so that you do not do a duplicate job :)08:45
Stskeepsyeah, we try hard not to NIH here :)08:45
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alteregoStskeeps: I think your remote linking of mer repos is buggering my attempts to downgrade a package.08:50
Stskeepsalterego: it's all there in the package history08:50
alteregoStskeeps: could you checkout the previous version 0.52 and tar it and stick it somewhere for me?08:50
Stskeepsalterego: git clone
Stskeepsand git log, find older version08:50
alteregoYou keep it in git too?08:51
Bostikgit archive --prefix=ofono/ version_0.52_tag | gzip > /tmp/ofono-0.52.tar.gz    ...08:51
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alteregono repositories defined for project 'home:tswindell:Mer:fake:Core:armv7hl'08:53
alteregoyou lied :P08:53
Stskeepswell sue me08:54
alteregoErm, what project should I use for the repo?08:54
Stskeepssee topic08:54
alteregoWell, that's what I thought, but autocomplete didn't seem to find it ..08:55
StskeepsBuilding against Mer in COBS:
alteregonvm, done it.08:56
lbtuse Mer:MDS rather than Mer:fake08:57
w00tMDS seems to autocreate repos08:58
lbtah, good08:58
w00tat least the 2-3 times I've used it08:58
w00t(and lbt, if you had a hand in that, <3)08:59
mikhasw00t, great stuff in that TMO nemo thread08:59
mikhasit all still looks a bit inconsistent, but oh well :-)08:59
Stskeepsneed designers09:00
mikhasdouble-edged sword, see GNOME09:00
w00tmikhas: there will (gradually) be more consistency, I think09:00
mikhasthere, designers have fully taken over, to the effect that *developers* now stay away09:00
w00tstep 1: get it working, step 2: get it looking nice09:01
w00tstep 3: world domination?09:01
mikhasstep 4: profit?09:01
Paimenjppiiroinen: yeah I have been looking your branch09:04
Paimenjppiiroinen: and I think what is needed to do is to take those qt5 changs to master as qt5 branch is bit behind master09:05
Paimenfixtures is something I'm familiar to fix after I can start banging my head against that brickwall09:06
Paimenmost propably yu just need to fix sut_qt to enable scenegraph items and then add handling for those to code09:06
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PaimenI have done that already for 4.8 with qtquick 2.009:07
Paimenand mix breed of tdriver 1.3.1 and qml2 branch09:07
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jppiiroinenPaimen: unfortunately, i wont have a dedicated time for now for tdriver, but that rations branch is owned by adeus@freenode and he was working on the fixtures, if i recall properly too09:08
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jppiiroinenPaimen: but i would be a user for tdriver on qt5 for sure09:09
jppiiroinenPaimen: and i was actually looking for if there are other users for it as well09:09
jppiiroinenPaimen: as i need to justify it at work09:09
jppiiroinenPaimen: and to convince that there are maintainers for tdriver still09:10
Paimenjppiiroinen: yup, well I try to get my work started and I'll see what I can do. Problem is despite I'm not working currently my wife is too good to come up with errants09:10
jppiiroinensounds familiar09:10
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mike7b4iekku last week vacation for me too :(09:32
jppiiroinenif there are people interested about #tdriver, you might want to join09:33
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SageStskeeps: we should push busybox to Mer after this next "fast" release.09:41
Sageit would help with lots of adaptations to create initrd sort of things.09:42
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sp3000oh, btw, gerrit reviews, should I find and add reviewers, or do people follow and jump on things eventually09:58
Stskeepspeople jump on it09:59
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SageStskeeps: pcre still building?10:02
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Sagethat will take long long time :/10:02
StskeepsSage: we kicked almost everything10:03
SageStskeeps: I would propose accepting the mpc update as well if it gets reviewed as it too causes large rebuild10:03
Sagewith the pcre that is10:03
* Sage does review round for open reviews10:04
sp3000I suppose I should be thankful for the city drilling holes in the street and the neighbors drilling holes in the walls on the same morning instead of separately10:10
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Stskeepsgood morning lakaila10:55
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lakailahello Stskeeps, or good afternoon10:59
Stskeepshehe, we use UGT here.. when you enter, it's good morning, when you leave, it's good night ;)10:59
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lakailaah, good morning then :)11:02
lakailai tried to follow instructions on Platform_SDK wiki, and I propably missed the line "Don't do zypper up!" because Installation of ca-certificates-2012.81-1.9 failed11:04
lakailafirst i thought it's a bug in ca-certificates rpm but I guess it just doesn't upgrade cleanly11:09
E-Plbt_away: eat-device and openssh-server are the most important ones11:09
Stskeepslakaila: there's abug report talking about how to work around it11:09
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E-PI am pretty badly online at the moment because of the moving11:10
lakailaStskeeps: ok, which bug id?11:10
E-Pphaeron: could you host tomorrow's qa meeting?11:11
SvioxHi all11:11
Stskeepshello Sviox :)11:11
phaeronE-P: I can try though I never did host a meeting before :)11:11
E-Pphaeron: would be great, mainly for status update11:12
StskeepsSviox: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time11:12
phaeronE-P: ok :)11:12
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SvioxAnyone want to help me get started with mer/nemo? I've set up the environment and sb2 seems to be working (only used sb1 previously) and I can compile and run simple hello world too. However.. I get "db4 error" when I try to install qt4-qmake package with zypper (in fact it also comes with zypper ref..). Any ideas what goes wrong?11:14
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E-Pphaeron: thanks11:14
E-PI will send the invitation email11:14
SvioxMy previous experiences come from the Harmattan platform (Debian packaging, SB1, Xephyr etc.) so I'm a bit on the uncharted waters here with the Mer SDK and Nemo target :)11:17
StskeepsSviox: show me the line you use to install qt4-qmake?11:17
Svioxzypper in qt4-qmake11:18
Svioxas root11:18
Svioxand "zypper ref" game me the exact same error11:19
StskeepsSviox: sb2 -t <target name> -R zypper in qt4-qmake ?11:19
Svioxyes, tried that first, then entered sb via "sb2 -t nemo-n950 -R" and the above pasted line11:20
Svioxoutside sb2, seems the stderr isn't outputted for some reason11:20
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Svioxthe exact error is: "error: db4 error(-30971) from dbenv->open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch"11:22
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StskeepsSviox: can you walk me through exact steps used and put it on
Svioxsure, just a sec11:25
Stskeepsokay, and how did you set up the target?11:30
Svioxtried rpm --rebuilddb but that didn't help too much..11:30
Svioxfollowing instructions on
Stskeepsi hate asking this, but could you try that from scratch? :P11:31
Stskeepsit just makes it easier to help debug with you :)11:31
Stskeepsand do it on a pastie11:31
SvioxI hate being asked that too ;)11:31
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Ionakkarozhkov: hi11:40
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Ionakkawould you happen to know what Manager::RegisterAgent in connman exactly does?11:41
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SvioxI suppose running sb-init with a target name already existing overwrites the old target?11:47
Stskeepsyes, should11:48
Ionakka<Sviox> the exact error is: "error: db4 error(-30971) from dbenv->open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch"   <--- i had similar situation11:51
Ionakkaafter installing stuff from inside sb211:52
rozhkovIonakka: hi, it registers an agent handling user requests11:52
SvioxIonakka: how did you resolve the issue?11:52
Ionakkarozhkov: i've checked the doc @ git but didn't tell much what it means in practice o.O11:53
IonakkaSviox: $ sb2 -R rm /var/lib/rpm/__db.*11:54
Ionakka$ sb2 -m sdk-install -R rpm --initdb11:54
Ionakkarozhkov: anyway, that question came when i was looking @ NetworkingModel in connman-qt11:55
Ionakkait basically calls (un)register during construction/destruction11:55
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Ionakkawould be good to understand what it's done for11:55
Svioxhmm, I think I got that installed now after reinstalling the target..11:55
Svioxeven though I really don't think I did anything differently :)11:56
Ionakkaand whether that needs to be done when connman service becomes available again11:56
rozhkovIonakka: sometime connman needs user's input (e.g. WEP passphrase, WPS, etc...). for this purpose frontend UI registers an agent that can be used by connman to show an input form11:57
Svioxthere is also a small error in, it says to do "cd /srv/mer..." when in fact I think it should say to make sure the SDK is connected and entered and then "cd /parentroot/srv/..." because the sb2 is inside the SDK, not the host system11:57
StskeepsSviox: please fix11:58
rozhkovIonakka: in case of libconnman-qt NetworkModel registers itself in connman as an agent for user interactions11:59
Ionakkarozhkov: so it should be called whenever lost connman service becomes available again?12:00
rozhkovIonakka: yes, i suppose12:01
SvioxStskeeps: I'll try12:01
Ionakka   <--- i've made kinda "fix" there but i'll update the first patch12:02
rozhkovIonakka: ok, i'll review it later today12:03
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Pauli__Hi, I minor problem with  systemd.12:11
Pauli__What package creates the link ?12:11
SvioxAllraight.. got my helloqt to compile, and "file helloqt" saus it's compiled for ARM, but why does running it (sb2 -t nemo-n950 ./helloqt) open a window in the host system? How do I launch some sort of emulator with the actual environment for it?12:16
StskeepsSviox: we use VirtualBox for that typically12:17
Stskeepswe don't do emulators, we have actual full running systems for x8612:17
Svioxokay.. you lost me at around word number 4 there ;)12:18
Svioxwhat do you mean full running systems?12:18
Stskeepsas in for example Nemo runs entirely fine on intel processors :)12:18
zzatsi was a bit suprised how 'functional' nemo is12:19
SvioxI've got my VMWare running Ubuntu with the SDK, and I did test some OS image created for x86 with VMWare as well, but I can't quite see the connection in developing with the SDK and how to actually test the code...12:19
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StskeepsSviox: well, imagine the virtual machine is a device12:20
Stskeepsie, the virtual machine with mer inside it12:20
Stskeepszzats: dysfunctional? ;)12:20
zzatsthat comment was not supposed to include any irony :)12:20
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SvioxStskeeps: how do I test my helloqt?12:21
StskeepsSviox: for example scp it to the device12:22
Stskeepsthere should be a openssh server running on your image probably12:22
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Svioxso there is no way to, for example, run the home app (with launcher etc.) on the development machine inside QEMU or similar?12:24
Stskeepsthat's where the virtualbox comes in12:25
Stskeepsyou might even be able to boot it fine in vmware, too12:26
* Stskeeps goes take a screenshot to illustrate his point..12:27
Svioxquite fine, though some apps seem to result in only black screen (like the maps app)12:27
Stskeepsyeah, that's a compositor issue12:27
Stskeepsthere's a workaround but it reduces fps12:27
Stskeeps"I have the same issue. Seems that the necessary drivers are missing. In my case the workaround was to install the 'mesa-llvmpipe-dri-swrast-driver' package (zypper in mesa-llvmpipe-dri-swrast-driver).12:28
Svioxhow to run the workaround?12:28
Svioxok :)12:28
Stskeepsyou can get to a terminal by ctrl-alt-f212:28
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Svioxso.. how do you test platform components? Just compile and package them with SDK then install in the virtualbox running Mer/Nemo?12:29
Stskeepsyeah, for example12:29
Stskeepswe are working on virtual machine based testing too, device testing, etc12:30
Svioxsounds a bit complicated compared to using Xephyr/Qemu12:30
Stskeepsthe issue with xephyr is that in practice, it doesn't give a full working system12:30
Stskeepsqemu is usually an arm target version12:30
Svioxoh.. and damn it, now I need to install one more target, for x86 :P12:30
Stskeepsyou can run mer in qemu too but it doesn't always perform as well as virtualbox12:30
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Stskeepsin 95% of cases, it doesn't matter you develop on x86 anyway :)12:31
Svioxman oh man.. tried to open another vmware player window and they both crashed on some weird memory allocation error..12:35
StskeepsSviox: virtualization is fun12:35
Svioxtruly it is12:35
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Svioxhehe, happens every time I try to launch the Nemo virtual machine now.. wonder why it worked previously12:38
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Svioxany other way to open the terminal? Ctrl+Alt is reserved combo in VMWare to escape from virtualized context :>12:43
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StskeepsSviox: there should be a host key functionality of some sort..12:45
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Svioxokay, there is terminal in launcher tab as well.. BUT the terminal also shows only black screen (except when minimized in the open apps view)12:46
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Svioxso it's a bit difficult to type anything :D12:48
Stskeepsctrl-alt should be possibel to use :)12:49
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Svioxfinally found how to change that hotkey.. had to manually adit VMWare's preferences.init.. And I though this would be common enough problem for some UI checkbox! :)12:57
Ionakkarozhkov: i've updated the patch and reassigned the bug to nobody12:58
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Svioxnow, I installed Nemo onto the virtual box (instead of using directly from ISO image), and ctrl+shift+F2 stopped working.. jams the whole thing into weird graphical state.. any advice? :)13:08
Svioxactually, I can get back to GUI mode with ctrl+shift+F1.. but the terminal mode is broken now13:09
Stskeepstry again13:10
Stskeepsf3 maybe13:10
Svioxtried a few times13:10
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curiosityHello juriikon 0/13:16
juriikonhi curiosity :) I just noticed your mail reply in mailing list13:18
rozhkovIonakka: ok, thanks13:18
curiosityyes, so how's going?13:18
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curiosityjuriikon: yes, so how's going?13:22
juriikoncuriosity: Well it's going just fine, thanks for asking, how about you? :)13:23
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curiosityjuriikon: fine thanks, second day to learn new things. Lot's of "asiaa" and people to meet :)13:27
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juriikonyes, this is second day for me now also.... And there's lots of learning to do for me also13:28
curiosityevery day is a new day to learn something new = life13:30
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Stskeepshey crevetor13:33
crevetorStskeeps: hey, just replied to your mail. Very excited :)13:34
juriikoncuriosity: I just sent you private message, if you have some time for little discussion :)13:37
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curiosityjuriikon: of course!13:42
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lbtNOTICE: gerrit / git code review reboot happening now ... don't be alarmed :)14:10
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lbtall back14:19
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SvioxHow do I get my hands on the code of the platform?14:39
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StskeepsSviox: see and Contribution_in_detail14:40 gives a good overview14:42
Svioxokay I'll check it tomorrow, feeling tried for today14:44
mrudulpenwhere do i look for in nemo modules if i have to look at telephony code, is it ce:mw:mtf14:49
Stskeepsmrudulpen: dialer or ofono?14:49
mrudulpenStskeeps: i think it should be ofono14:49
Stskeepsmrudulpen: git clone
mrudulpenStskeeps: thxs14:50
SvioxStskeeps: what about the UI apps, Nemo etc., seems that git has only the low-level stuff14:55
StskeepsSviox: right - so, Mer is a core, it doesn't contain UIs or hardware adaptations. combine with a hardware adaptation and you have something bootable, combine with a UI and you have something shiny14:56
StskeepsSviox: the same core is shared in different projects or even companies14:56
SvioxI'm more into the shiny stuff, being a UI designer :)14:57
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Stskeepsso nemo is .. well, before i say 'all over the place', is a good start14:57
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SvioxDoesn't seem very UI-driven :)14:58
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StskeepsSviox: we just make sure your stuff runs with 60fps :)15:00
Svioxgood luck with that :)15:00
Stskeepsso Nemo is a project that provides N900/N950/N9 adaptations and the generic X86 adaptation, and a handset UI on top of that15:01
Stskeepsmer provides all the unsexy stuff we all need but don't want to deal with on a daily basis, like systemd, xorg, wayland, mesa, qt, etc..15:03
Sviox..and how does the OBS fit into all this? Isn't that some sort of community build system? Does it pull all the stuff from all the git repos around to create the images?15:05
StskeepsOBS is build farm software, deep down15:05
Stskeepsso there's multiple instances of OBS, one of them is for example meego community obs, opensuse's build service, tizen OBS, etc..15:06
Stskeepsif you look around at -> projects, and deeper into packages15:06
Stskeepsin Mer itself we 'just' use OBS as a builder, so we push sources to it from git and it builds packages and repositories for us15:07
Svioxokay thanks15:07
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Stskeepsin Nemo it's a little more involved15:09
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Stskeepsjavispedro: other funny issue btw, malloc15:11
javispedrohm, both will eventually call sbrk15:13
javispedrobut you can (probably) replace one with the other without problems15:13
Stskeepsyeah, except for internal-libc issues i guess15:13
Stskeepsran into fun stuff like malloc.c:2451: sYSMALLOc: Assertion `(old_top == (((mbinptr) (((char *) &((av)->bins[((1) - 1) * 2])) - __builtin_offsetof (struct malloc_chunk, fd)))) && old_size == 0) || ((unsigned long) (old_size) >= (unsigned long)((((__builtin_offsetof (struct malloc_chunk, fd_nextsize))+((2 * (sizeof(size_t))) - 1)) & ~((2 * (sizeof(size_t))) - 1))) && ((old_top)->size & 0x1) && ((unsigned long)old_end & pagemask) == 0)' ...15:15
javispedromaybe you can configure both to use mmap?15:15
Stskeeps... failed.15:15
Stskeepsyeah, that's the other option15:15
Stskeepsmmap in bionic would do the trick15:15
javispedroimho I would just try to map bionic's malloc to glibc.15:16
javispedrothen when it fails get into the fun stuff :)15:16
Stskeepsthat's what happened15:16
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lbtSage: what's the correct format for RepositoryURLVariables?17:15
lbtnot             - TOOLS_RELEASE: 5.1.017:15
lbtnor               TOOLS_RELEASE: 5.1.017:15
Sagefirst after you take latest commits from my tree ;)17:15
Sageit was - abc; def first17:15
Sagebut now it is - abc: def17:16
lbtI have def __handle_repo_url_vars(self, r, var_dict)17:16
lbtWARNING: Ignoring 'TOOLS_RELEASE' repository URL variable.17:16
lbtwith             - TOOLS_RELEASE: 5.1.017:17
lbtWARNING: Ignoring '{}' repository URL variable.17:17
lbtwith             TOOLS_RELEASE: 5.1.017:17
* Sage checks17:17
SageRepositoryURLVariables: - better: na - err: abc17:17
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lbt        for key in var_dict:17:26
lbt            r['Url'] = r['Url'].replace("%s" % key, var_dict[key])17:26
lbthey CosmoHill17:27
CosmoHillhow are you?17:28
lbtpretty chilled atm17:28
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bigbluehatStskeeps: I'm wanting to build my own Operating System (on #mer of course) and I hold you *personally* responsible :)17:59
bigbluehatbtw, the #touchpad demo was fabulously promising :)17:59
Stskeepsbigbluehat: good ;)17:59
Stskeepsstart thinking of it as a product and life becomes easier18:00
bigbluehathow so?18:00
Stskeepsin terms of what you need to do18:00
bigbluehatah. Yeah, kind of there already in some ways...18:01
* Stskeeps ponders idly why his touchpad isn't charging sanely under mer18:01
bigbluehatit just feels daunting :/18:01
Stskeepsit's not really :)18:01
Stskeepscompared to when i started a couple of years ago, things are damn easy now18:01
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StskeepsCosmoHill: 'not really a lot'18:02
bigbluehatyeah, lots of "prior art"18:02
Stskeepsbigbluehat: just grab mer platform sdk and it starts coming together18:02
bigbluehatyeah, that's definitely where I'll start18:02
bigbluehatonce I find that big pile of time which is bound to be under this stack of paper18:02
* bigbluehat rummages18:03
bigbluehathrm...wrong stack18:03
bigbluehatreading this instead
Stskeepsbigbluehat: so what are you hoping to build?18:05
bigbluehatMer + CouchDB + HTML5/JS UX + loads of CouchApps + Synergy from webOS18:06
bigbluehatish :)18:06
Stskeepswhat was that again?18:06
bigbluehatit's the thing that lets you consolidate all your online accounts into a single place18:07
bigbluehatso you can hook in Facebook and have people in contacts, photos in photos, etc18:07
Stskeepseither way, that sounds easy-ish18:07
bigbluehatyou can use the Facebook app of course to "focus" on that community18:07
Stskeepspackage up couchdb, write up something, wrap it in qtwebkit18:07
bigbluehatbut the people still show up where you expect them too...with the other people in Contacts18:07
bigbluehatyeah, it sounds easyish in my head too :)18:08
bigbluehatthat's the scary bit ;)18:08
Stskeepsit's meant to be18:08
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bigbluehatStskeeps: would QTonPi be a good place to start?18:13
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bigbluehator should I stick with the platform sdk?18:13
Stskeepsbigbluehat: mer platform sdk, qtonpi as a platform is dead as a doornail18:13
bigbluehatit's still on's download list18:14
Stskeepsstart out by developing in a virtual machine to make your life easier18:14
bigbluehatwhy's it dead?18:14
lbtand I'll be doing Pi-based docs RSN18:14
bigbluehatyeah, good point18:14
* lbt goes back to food18:14
bigbluehatlbt: great!18:14
Stskeepsbigbluehat: well, it started with this guy talking about burning platforms..18:14
Stskeepsand i'm sure you know the rest18:14
bigbluehatburning platforms?18:14
bigbluehatwas there any news about the QTonPi thing being dumped?18:15
Stskeepsnot really, except for some mailing list mentions18:16
bigbluehatthis still looks "promising"
Stskeepspeople are still getting raspberry pi's from the initiative, but the qtonpi platform itself is dead18:16
bigbluehatmeaning, I'd have read that and thot it was legit18:16
Stskeepsqt5 on pi is still working though18:16
bigbluehatah, k18:16
bigbluehatwell no worries18:16
bigbluehatit's running arch atm18:16
bigbluehatand I'm happy enough with that there for now18:16
Stskeepsi should really put my pi's into use..18:16 fits into my grand scheme quite nicely :)18:17
bigbluehatit just seems I don't >_<18:17
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Stskeepsget unemployed for a few months, does wonders to your open source contributions :P18:27
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crevetorStskeeps: true that, I'm actually wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to take an unpaid leave for a couple of month to advance on things I want to do18:47
Stskeepsfood on table first18:47
crevetorStskeeps: yeah, but I could manage for a few month18:47
Sagelbt: did you mean that each of the .yaml files entered on the cmdline are handled as separate or so that they are merged to one big three?18:49
Paimenthings I learned today, that there is some interested people wondering what happens to tdriver now18:49
* Sage guesses separate but wants to be sure18:49
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lbtSage: merged into a tree18:49
lbtso that I can break out the variables18:50
StskeepsPaimen: good :)18:50
Paimenbtw: there is #tdriver where we talk about those qt5 fixes and more just tdriver related things18:50
Stskeepsgood :)18:51
situStskeeps: Last week I was trying to fix a bug and there was some problem in name of the repository I think it was "testing".18:55
situWhat's name of the repository for mint tools ?18:55
crevetorStskeeps: BTW have you seen this : it made me think of the next step after "a day made of glass"18:56
Stskeepscrevetor: nop, but check out too18:56
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Sagelbt: you can break out the variables already with -e if you want18:59
Sageecho "Variable stuff" > /tmp/myvariables.yaml; mer-kickstarter -c right.yaml -e /tmp/18:59
lbtah, I read that as taking a string to be parsed, not a file19:00
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lbtoh, -e, not -r19:01
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Sagenp. :)19:02
lbtFWIW I'm just using it now to make some SDK images - just a PITA to make group.xml mods (needs a republish)19:04
Sageok, let me know if you face problems. I was thinking of taggin 0.1619:04
lbtI'd politely suggest some option renaming :)19:04
lbtI'll do a review if you like19:05
SageI'm open for feedback, don't be affraid telling what is wrong ;)19:07
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situWhat's the code name for mint tools in gerrit ?19:19
situmer-tools ?19:19
lbtmer-tools is more SDK stuff19:20
lbtmint isn't quite there yet19:20
situShould I submit it throught "osc submitreq" ?19:21
lbtI'm in the process of making mer-tools authoritative19:21
lbtwhat for?19:21
situI am making some changes in spectacle package in mint.19:21
lbtspectacle is SDK, not MINT :)19:21
lbtMINT is for things that run on Suse/Debian (like OBS, BOSS, IMG etc)19:21
lbtyeah, fair comment :)19:22
situok, so how should I submit the patch ?19:24
situIt's in gerrit right ?19:25
lbtStskeeps: can situ use the gerrit git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master ?19:26
Stskeepssitu: i've seen him do it succesfully on other packages, so yes19:26
lbtmeaning mer-tools/19:26
Stskeepsshould be possible19:26
lbtsitu: OK - lets see how this goes19:26
situOk, I will try it (when the patch is ready :P )19:27
lbtfollow the clone process shown in
lbtsitu: OK - FWIW someone already fixed this but it didn't get merged upstream19:27
lbtSage: ^^19:28
lbtSage: the whole process discussion19:28
situI got version 0.25 in through osc checkout while on gitweb it's 0.24.119:28
situI tried it few days, don't tell me it's not yet fixed.19:29
situfew days back *19:29
lbtthat's because I've not pushed the 0.25 in Mer:Tools:Testing to mer-tools yet19:31
situCan I do it ?19:32
situWhat's the process of updating a package to new version ?19:33
lbtthere you go, pushed19:33
lbtwell, lets start with a bug-fix through gerrit19:35
Sagelbt: I haven't seen the fix but I recall someone doing a patch yes.19:39
SageI haven't seen it as push to the git tree that is.19:39
lbtand this will push straight to the gerrit git repo19:40
lbtI could setup a mer-0.25 branch which contains any patches if you want to keep gitorious as master - or you can use gerrit as master now19:41
lbtI think we'll do a package-review of pushes to pkg-mer19:41
lbtie that will trigger CI19:42
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situlbt: I have changed .spec file, after I run specify *yaml my changes disappear.19:51
lbtyes, change yaml :)19:51
situPathces are added in .spec file ?19:52
situIt gives me this message19:53
situInfo: Getting tags from SCM...19:53
situInfo: Old spec file exists, patching spectacle.spec ...19:53
lbtso, Mer:Tools doesn't use the same process as Mer:Core19:53
situWhat's the process for Mer:Tools ?19:53
lbtfor Mer:Tools you just send a code fix to the code branch (for now)19:53
lbtI've not finalised it yet19:54
situwith submitreq ?19:54
lbtno. with git19:54
lbtso you clone the tree19:54
lbtedit the master branch19:54
lbtpush HEAD:refs/for/master19:54
lbtjust the code change19:54
lbtthis should generate a code review19:54
lbtbut not a new package at this point19:54
lbtnow, it would be good if you could locally do the packaging too, I agree19:55
lbtbut that needs tools I've not yet released19:55
lbtso it makes it a bit tricky to test19:55
situWhen I do git diff it doesn't show me any changes, I have changed .spec file which is tracked by git.19:57
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situgit status shows me new patch file which I added.19:57
lbtsitu: OK, I think I need to say that the process for sending patches for Mer:Tools just isn't ready yet19:58
lbtI need to write up a step-by-step for people19:58
situOk, let me try again..19:59
lbtnote you should be on the master branch, not pkg-mer19:59
lbtgitk is your friend19:59
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situLet's fix it later :)20:02
situI will try to fix other bugs.20:03
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lbtsitu: sorry  - just bad timing20:13
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situlbt: how should I got about fixing ?20:16
situDownload the package from official repository and replace old one.20:17
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lbtessentially yes - this uses the normal process here:
situOk, I will try to update some packages.20:24
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lbtthanks for persevering situ20:26
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