Tuesday, 2012-08-07

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ShadowJK_yay?04:32
* ShadowJK_ wants one04:32
ShadowJK_a coworker has avensis td04:33
ShadowJK_with a webasto unit04:33
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ShadowJK_it's just badass when it sits in parking lot rumbling like a turbine04:33
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Stskeepsmorn harha, Ionakka05:16
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IonakkaStskeeps, everyone: morning \o/05:17
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Stskeepsgood morning sonach_05:18
dm8tbrmoaning05:18
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sonachStskeeps: good morning! on vacation last week, so have not been on line for several days :P05:51
Stskeepshehe, vacation is important to have :)05:51
Stskeepssonach: in news from here, i have developed a method so mer can use hardware adaptation from android (this does not mean running android applications on mer)05:51
Stskeepsso suddenly we can use mer on more devices in future05:52
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sonachStskeeps: use hardware adaptation from android is a large achievement!  In fact, one biggest problem we faces is that hardware vendors often provide android SDK and classical linux SDK. and the linux SDK is not suitable to run X11, etc,05:54
Stskeepsyes05:55
Stskeepsi have successfully done accelerated graphics on a qualcomm based device, previously unseen in non-android (except for WebOS, which has a big company behind it)05:55
sonachStskeeps: so, how to do this? I can also test it on my hardware. Now we have the second STB platform, broadcom 7231(MIPS32), and with android gingerbread SDK,05:57
Stskeepssonach: hmm, i'll let you know when i have cleaned up my prototype05:58
StskeepsMIPS + gingerbread should be interesting05:58
Bostikor if boiled down - "what files do I need to lift out of droid SDK and where should I put them?"05:58
StskeepsBostik: at the moment, just take /system :P05:58
Bostikeeeeeeeeeeeeewwww05:59
StskeepsBostik: and then check what files it uses05:59
Stskeepsand clean it up05:59
StskeepsBostik: https://github.com/stskeeps/libhybris is btw where i'm doing my cleanup work, not working yet, but it'll get there05:59
sonachStskeeps: hmm, but you know, gingerbread maybe a little old, now broadcom have ported android4.0.3 to another platform. of course, on bcm7231, no android4.0 at all,05:59
Bostikstrace is my friend, strace is my friend, is my friend...05:59
StskeepsBostik: we control the linker, just make it dump what it loads05:59
Stskeeps:P05:59
Stskeepsas a sstart06:00
sonachStskeeps: and another thing. In STB field, multimedia can not heavily rely on GST. Some vendors will provide GST plugins, some will provide Statefraight, and some only provides their own player :P06:02
Stskeepssonach: yeah.. own player is just plain scary :P06:02
Stskeepssonach: does the bcm7231 support opengl es by the way?06:04
sonachStskeeps: anyway, waits for your new hardware adaption method. you know, we can not do pure android :)06:05
sonachStskeeps: yes, it does,06:05
Stskeepssonach: ok, so it's probably similar gpu/video chip as in the raspberry pi06:05
sonachah, raspberry pi, maybe,06:06
Stskeepsvery nice gpu06:06
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Bostiksonach: the "own player" approach is probably going through OpenMAX, since nobody wants to ship (read: maintain) their own codec acceleration libs :)06:10
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timophmorning06:14
sonachBostik: maybe no. hisilicon 3716C, doesn't not use OpenMAX, they only provides their own player called hiplayer, and with this supports android's mediaservice,06:14
Bostikoh help06:14
Stskeepsmorn timoph06:15
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jpoutiaiSorry for my newb question but I have now followed wiki page https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail and I'm now in the "HACK" part, what's the best way to hack on the package and be able to build it right away?06:36
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Ionakkajpoutiai: if it has git repo you can check that out and obtain rpm packaging files from obs and run rpmbuild under sb206:38
Ionakkathough not necessarily the "best way"06:38
jpoutiaiwhat if I want to do it locally? and what is the best way?:)06:42
Stskeepsosc build as a start06:42
Stskeepsdoes the tutorial mention that?06:42
Ionakkalocally == without sb2?06:43
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Stskeepsyes, there's this 'osc build' which is a local build06:44
Stskeepsbut not as developer friendly as sb206:44
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timophyep. you could only work with osc chroot/build but that's a little awkward06:45
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Sagesay what... there is no å in the keyboardlayout on N9 even in the special character pages. Never noted before as I haven't needed the char :)07:22
jpoutiaigot BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys07:25
Stskeepsjpoutiai: --no-verify07:25
jpoutiaithat's it thanks :)07:25
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jpoutiaierror: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/share/doc/setup-2.8.56/COPYING;5020c488: cpio: open failed - Permission denied07:28
jjardonStskeeps: Hi. Trying to build qt-gstreamer seems that ll went well but in the end I get this: http://fpaste.org/ij9j/07:28
Stskeepsjjardon: look at your %files section?07:29
jjardonStskeeps: this is the .spec Im using: http://fpaste.org/Vor4/07:29
jjardonah, ok07:30
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SageStskeeps: that is the problem with -next at times on setup and filesystem packages obs build fails when touching setup or filesystem07:34
Stskeepsokay, why is this the first i've heard ofi t..07:36
Stskeeps:P07:36
SageStskeeps: I said it multiple times to you earlier07:37
Stskeepsokay07:37
* Stskeeps must have been daft then07:37
Stskeepsdoes it happen on x86 or on arm/mips only?07:37
SageI have no idea why it happens at times.07:37
SageI think all.07:37
Stskeepsokay07:37
Stskeepsso some kind of bad %dir ?07:37
Stskeepsjpoutiai: please show me the entire build log, including chroot setup07:38
Sagejpoutiai: do osc build --no-verify --clean once and then continue without --clean07:38
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jjardonStskeeps: I still get the same error with this .spec: http://fpaste.org/0Oof/07:45
SageStskeeps: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51907:45
* Stskeeps +'s07:45
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Sagejjardon: You should add some * marks there to make the .spec more update friendly07:47
Stskeepsgood morning denism07:47
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Sagejjardon: e.g. the first package %files could only be like %{_libdir}/libQt*.so.*07:48
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Sagejjardon: and in second you could replace the .so lines with %{_libdir}/libQt*.so07:49
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Sagejjardon: and .pc file lines wit %{_libdir}/pkgconfig/Qt*.pc07:49
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jjardonSage: thanks, Ill try again with your suggestions08:15
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jpoutiaiok so ive done the osc build now and it seems to have unpacked and build to somewhere.08:20
jpoutiaiSo now I've got two more newb questions08:20
Stskeepsgood, it should say where in the last line08:20
jpoutiai1: how do I make image now(using mic somehow I suppose)?08:20
jpoutiai2: if I want to edit some .c file (+make and build) how does that happen as the ofono(that's what I'm trying to fiddle with) folder still only contains patchess and tarballs?08:21
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lbt_awayDentist taxi ... bbiab08:52
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alteregojonwil: ping09:54
jonwilhi09:55
alteregoWhat did you use to disassemble the policy.pl file in Fremantle?09:55
jonwilI cant remember off the top of my head but it was done by passing some specific options to the right version of swi-prolog09:56
jonwilwhy?09:56
alteregoTrying to do something similar :)09:56
jonwilfor Fremantle?09:57
alteregoHarmattan09:57
jonwilok09:58
jonwilwell firstly you need to compile the right swi-prolog for harmattan09:58
jonwiland get a binary09:58
jonwilbut I forget the command line options I used09:59
alteregogot it already09:59
jonwilwhat do you hope to find by peeking into the Harmattan prolog.plc?09:59
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jonwilI mean policy.plc09:59
alteregoWhat did you find when you did it for the N900 :P09:59
jonwilwell it was done by me and pali in order to find the jackbias bits10:00
jonwilalso do you know how to read prolog code?10:01
alteregoa little.10:02
alteregoPicking it up as I go along.10:02
alteregoWell, I've got swipl, but I can't see anything there for disassembly.10:02
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jonwilI cant remember the exact steps I used10:10
jonwilit involved passing some option to swipl to get it to load the policy.plc file, another option to change the goal or something to drop me at a prolog prompt10:11
jonwilthen a bunch of things to dump disassembly of each .pl file inside the plc file one by one10:12
jonwilmore than that I cant recall off the top of my head10:12
alteregoOkay, I think I get it.10:14
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StskeepsREMINDER: Mer release management meeting in 20 minutes in #mer-meeting10:40
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StskeepsSage: tell me what things to kick now that i merged a bunch of stuff10:56
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Stskeepsmikhas: happen to know if anybody did maliit integration with qml compositor ever?10:57
mikhasStskeeps, we did get it working once10:58
mikhasseveral month ago10:58
Stskeepsoh that's interesting10:59
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Stskeepsmikhas: did you see my android breakthrough?10:59
mikhasyeah!10:59
Stskeepsthe idea is to wayland enable that, probably with qml compositor10:59
mikhas"Are you thinking the same as I do, Pinky?"10:59
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lbtmikhas: oh yes11:00
Stskeepshehe, yeah, world domination is the idea11:00
Stskeeps:P11:00
Bostiktegra3 GPU, hfp drivers, hybris...11:00
RaYmAnthere aren't any hfp android drivers (least not for tegra) :P11:00
StskeepsBostik: don't make me clean up your drool11:00
Stskeeps:P11:00
Bostiklove the name you put on the library, really11:00
Stskeepsit is a bit dirty to put bionic and glibc in same memory.11:04
BostikStskeeps: in immortal words of Woody Allen - "But isn't sex messy?" "Yes, but only when done right."11:05
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jonwilYour work has the potential to allow the running of a full Linux OS on any number of android devices (including devices running on carriers like Verizon where full-Linux devices have never been an option before)11:07
Stskeepsprovided we have the kernel, yes11:07
Stskeepsand can flash own rootfs11:07
jonwilyeah11:07
Bostik...or boot from external media11:07
Bostikalthough that's always slower, the bus saturates completely11:08
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jonwilI think the Samsung Galaxy Nexus in all its forms would be a great target for this, its a proper stock android device and has no bootloader locks (at least none that I am aware of)11:09
SageStskeeps: moment11:09
SageStskeeps: pcre is still building (takes long)11:10
Sagexinput-proto got though already11:10
Sagecairo you already did11:10
SageStskeeps: qemu needs kick11:11
Sagehttp://review.merproject.org/652 <- should be rejected already updated.11:11
SageStskeeps: after qemu built and accepted then glib2 kick11:12
Stskeepsok11:12
SageThen everything I was hoping to get in are there.11:13
Sagefor the fast release11:13
Stskeepsok11:13
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Stskeepsgood morning mdfe_11:15
mdfe_Stskeeps: hi :)11:16
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Stskeepsslow day toady :)13:08
Stskeepser, today13:09
slowyes, it is;)13:09
Stskeepsoh, you have such an unfortunate nickname13:09
Stskeeps:P13:09
slownot really, just get some more hilights than with another nick13:10
Stskeeps:nod:13:10
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stefan_schmidt_wBest nick ever is ":)"13:22
stefan_schmidt_wor lol13:22
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slow:)13:28
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* sp3000 recalls a "self"14:12
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lbtE-P: do you know which packages typically need installing to a device for testing ... eg eat-device, <what else?>14:58
Stskeepsopenssh-server?14:59
lbtSage: Stskeeps: phaeron: I'm doing SDK groups so any suggestions14:59
lbtStskeeps: yes, added that14:59
lbtalthough I did wonder about SDK groups that mention Core packages...15:00
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rsadhuhello everybody15:02
Stskeepshello rsadhu15:02
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lbtStskeeps: http://piratepad.net/CU9QUx3ELU15:04
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Stskeepssp-smaos ?15:04
Stskeepssp-smaps you mean15:05
Stskeepslooks about right15:05
lbtqt4 qt5 ?15:05
lbtqtcreator for 5 I think15:06
Stskeepsyes, has to be seperate15:06
Stskeepslibqt5-devel doesn't really exist though15:06
Stskeepsjust drop qt5 mention until we have a saner solution in that area15:06
lbtok15:07
lbtwe may want to make some meta packages in core to assist devel15:08
Stskeepsyes15:08
lbtso I can actually install mer-qt5-devel15:08
lbtand then the grouping can be handled inside mer-core... yeah, I like that idea15:09
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Sagelbt: use http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/repomd-pattern-builder.git;a=summary :)15:16
Stskeepshello juriikon :)15:17
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lbtSage: yaml.composer.ComposerError: expected a single document in the stream15:19
juriikonhi Stskeeps and others :)15:19
Sagelbt: patches welcome :P15:19
Stskeepsjuriikon: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time15:19
lbtStskeeps: Sage: why do we have that *and* project-core/scripts/merge-patterns.py ?15:20
Stskeepsrepomd-pattern-builder is what we shuld use in future15:20
Stskeepsfwiw15:20
* lbt smiles to hide the pain15:21
lbtoh goody15:21
Stskeepsscripts/ is obsolete15:21
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lbtOK - I guess the format is similar15:22
Sageshould be very similar just the cmds for creating differ15:33
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lbtyep - looking at the code the same basic patch will work - you even did a similar factor out of the yaml handle in the dir loop15:35
Sageit is based on the old scripts dir of mer which is based on the meego stuff :)15:42
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lbt*nod* I recognise it15:42
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lbtI hope it's just y = yaml.load(stream)    =>     all_docs = yaml.load_all(stream) ... for y in all_docs:15:43
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sp3000I hope there are no cats on mars.16:13
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Stskeepssp3000: that would probably make human relations to cats a little less friendly16:14
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* Stskeeps looks at calendar for tomorrow16:15
Stskeepsseems like i'll actually have a lunchbreak for once16:15
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sp3000is there some required naming convention to things like scratchbox2-2.3.27-usrsrc.patch, or did the version number appear there for some other reason17:33
sp3000(e.g. to indicate regression in that version, or whatever)17:34
Stskeepswhat version it applied to17:35
sp3000k17:36
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* sp3000 pushes something somewhere17:51
* sp3000 may be missing a 0 ;)17:57
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* sp3000 gets a blank log from the build checker. awkward.18:33
sp3000I guess that's the automated equivalent of a blank stare18:33
alteregoYeah, it's thinking "What /are/ you doing?!" :)18:34
Stskeepssp3000: which url?18:38
sp3000for http://review.merproject.org/#change,74218:39
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sp3000Stskeeps: it's a bit suspicious that the failcomment timestamp for patch set 2 precedes the commit timestamp for 218:45
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Stskeepsah, that's just me needing to kick it18:47
Stskeepsdon't worry about it, i'll make sure it gets reviewed :)18:48
sp3000:)18:48
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Stskeepshello lakaila19:30
lakailahi19:31
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lakailawiki.merproject.org seems to be down,  should someone be notified or is it already known issue?19:33
* Stskeeps looks19:34
Stskeepsso it looks19:34
Stskeepslet me log in19:34
lbtmmm19:34
Stskeepslbt: will you check it?19:35
lbtyep19:35
Stskeepsok19:35
Stskeepslakaila: sorry about that, it really does seem like our monitoring wasn't kidding19:35
lbtyeah - every time I looked it was fine19:36
lbtand now ssh is down19:36
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lakailaStskeeps: no worries, looks like it will be fixed at some point. thanks for quick response19:42
Stskeepslakaila: any specific info you needed from there?19:43
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lakailaStskeeps: learning and SDK19:44
Stskeepsalright19:44
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lbtlakaila: wiki is back up now19:46
Stskeepshello curiosity :)19:46
lbtand leave my cats alone19:46
curiosityhello19:46
curiosity:)19:47
lakailalbt: thanks19:47
Stskeepscuriosity: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :)19:49
curiosityThanks!19:49
sp3000must get terrible lag ;)19:50
curiosityI searched thru earlier bug infos19:50
curiosityto get familiar what's going on19:50
Stskeeps:nod: Mer itself can be a bit unsexy until you realize what's going on19:50
Stskeepsand that we also do tools for vendors to use, like QA tools and methods19:51
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Stskeepsor image creators, build farm software, etc..19:52
lbtSage: how do you want patches for repomd-builder-thingy19:54
lbtI don't have rights to the gitorious repo19:55
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lbtevening phaeron19:55
* Stskeeps passes cookies to phaeron 19:57
phaeronthanks19:57
phaeronlbt: revs2 is ready :)19:58
lbt really!19:58
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phaeronStskeeps: what did I do right :D20:00
Stskeepsphaeron: dunno, good work in general20:00
lbtSage: https://gitorious.org/~lbt/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/lbts-repomd-pattern-builder  <-merge please20:02
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Sagelbt: change you could do merge request for those?20:10
lbtgitorious one?20:10
Sagewell it is in there ;)20:10
lbtsure - I hate it - no email and it does merges instead of cherry picks20:11
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lbtgithub ones are massively better :)20:12
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Sagetrue20:12
lbthttps://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/repomd-pattern-builder/merge_requests/120:12
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lbtand it's like a 5-line patch - rest is whitespace20:14
Sagelbt:  that removes "<?xml version="1.0"?>" does obs accept the pattern without?20:16
Sageerr.. it adds that20:18
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Sageor hmm... what :)20:18
lbtare you trying to read my patch on gitorious web ui?20:18
Sagenah, tested locally and mixed the -+ in diff :P20:19
* Sage needs to sleep a bit :)20:19
lbtOK20:19
lbtcould be xmllint adds it20:19
Sageobs accepts both so seems ok.20:20
lbtyeah - I have tried to erase XML minutae from my memory20:20
Sagemerged20:20
lbtty20:25
lbtand it looks like obs only accepts discrete <pattern> patterns20:26
lbtwon't be using that then20:27
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Sagelbt: yes, only one pattern per xml20:34
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