Monday, 2012-08-06

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sp3000I should tattoo "$@" (with quotes) on something00:28
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GeneralAntillessp3000, how about on your neighbor's dog?01:42
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Paimenmorning all04:33
Stskeepsmorn04:38
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Ionakkamorning04:42
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Stskeepshuomenta04:44
PaimenStskeeps: learning finnish already?04:45
Stskeepsnah, just damaged from many years of working with finns :P04:46
harha1Stskeeps: Huomenta ;)04:47
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PaimenI can now use more time for Mer and TDriver starting this week as my wife is back to work04:50
Stskeepscool04:50
Paimentoday is sadly for running errands04:50
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* Stskeeps runs some image test builds for next mer release..05:03
dm8tbrmoaning05:08
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* timoph watching nasa live feed05:18
timophmorning05:18
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Stskeepssome of those people look very uncomfortable to be hugged05:33
Stskeeps:P05:33
timoph:)05:33
timophwell, they're nerds :)05:33
Stskeepshehe05:33
Stskeepswhy is my sd card suddenly too small..05:34
timophmaking too big images?05:34
Stskeepsok, it seems to be 2gb05:34
Stskeepswhere is my 8gb one..05:34
M4rtinKcongrats to Curiosity & the team ! :)05:56
M4rtinKwell, both MER teams actually :)05:56
Stskeepshehe05:57
StskeepsSage: ti-omap3-sgx uses /usr/sbin/modprobe05:58
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Stskeepsmorn jukkaeklund05:59
jukkaeklundmorning05:59
jukkaeklundI guess eagle has landed06:00
Stskeepshehe06:00
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* Stskeeps is testing nemo on n90006:01
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Stskeepsimpressive it still performs quite well06:01
Ionakkacould somebody recommend yum repo containing the cross compilers?06:02
StskeepsIonakka: that should be in sdk already06:02
Stskeepscross-armv6l-gcc etc should be installable06:02
Ionakkahmm, i obviously should check few things o.O06:04
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Stskeepsif it's not installable that's probably a problem :)06:06
Stskeepscross-<target>-gcc/binutils should be there06:06
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Stskeepshello jusa_ :)06:18
jusa_Stskeeps: hello :)06:18
Stskeepsjusa_: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions or wondering how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :)06:19
jusa_Stskeeps: thanks.06:19
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alteregoGood moaning06:44
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StskeepsSage: /usr/sbin/modprobe in ti-omap3-sgx06:48
SageStskeeps: it doesn't use that. or shouldn't use that.06:49
Stskeepsit does06:49
SageI didn't push the patch. for that06:49
Stskeepslook at systemd file06:49
Stskeepswell06:49
Stskeepsi'm using the -next .ks06:49
Sagedoesn't matter06:49
Sageif you use those it uses the CE: repos with -next and those doesn't have the patches06:50
Stskeepshandset-armv7hl-n900-0.20120719.0.3.NEMO.2012-08-02.5.ks06:50
SageStskeeps: if you refer to ay home:* repo that is wrong .ks file06:50
Stskeepswell06:50
Stskeepsthat's what you put online06:50
Stskeeps:P06:50
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SageStskeeps: ?06:51
SageStskeeps: I told you to use nemo-kickstarter-configs and mer-kickstarter from my branch :)06:51
Stskeepsmmkay06:51
Stskeepseither way06:51
Stskeepsthat was only -next issue06:51
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Stskeepslbt: OK for full release, remark there's problems on HW adaptation side with livecd/liveusb on x86 and changes need to be merged into n900/n950/n9 repos07:25
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harha1Intrestingly, Nvidia has some hardfb drivers07:32
harha1maybe old news, but07:32
harha1http://developer.download.nvidia.com/devzone/tools/Tegra_Linux_Driver_Package_Release_Notes_R15_armhf.pdf07:32
Stskeepsyes, they were actually the first07:32
Stskeepsof vendors to do this officially07:32
Stskeepsi was amazed07:32
harha1Would be interting to know if they have done more07:33
harha1intresting07:35
harha1or someone, I mean on mer/nemo scope07:35
Stskeeps:nod:07:36
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Stskeepshello Pauli :)07:58
lbtmorning07:59
Stskeepsmorn07:59
Stskeepslbt: see message above?07:59
lbtyes08:00
lbtno problem08:00
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lbtdid he feel excluded?08:00
Stskeepsnah08:01
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lbt*sigh* ... you non-physicists08:02
PauliHi, there08:02
StskeepsPauli: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions about Mer, or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :)08:02
lbtmorning Pauli08:02
Paulimorning08:03
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Sagelbt, Stskeeps: what do we need for mer to get mer_release macro created properly for each release/prerelease etc.?08:07
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Sagecutting repositories to half by creating the change I would say it is more than good from Nemo point of view.08:08
lbtdefinition in the prjconf08:08
Stskeepswhat lbt said, probably best solution08:08
lbtgood - I think it's the sane approach too08:08
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lbtso part of the release process is to add this to prjconf once release is confirmed and before new pkgs are accepted?08:09
Stskeepsperhaps08:09
Stskeepsbug please08:09
lbtI'm doing a release in a few mins08:10
lbtI'm tempted to add the macro to the prjconf now08:10
lbtwell now +2hrs08:10
Stskeepsnah, not right now08:10
Stskeepswe have something that works08:10
Stskeepslet's look at it in the short release08:10
lbtit's only a macro definition08:10
Stskeepsyeah, but remember that rpm doesn't deal well with decimal values08:10
Stskeepsi just want the release out, that's all :)08:11
lbtcorrect - let me dig out a meego mail/bug08:11
lbtI discussed this with OBS people08:11
Sagedeal well... doesn't work at all ;)08:11
Stskeepsthe next release might already be monday08:11
lbtessentially we multiply by 10008:11
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Sagelbt: maybe also add 10 or 100 to front?08:12
Sageremember the number is 0.date atm.08:12
lbtmaybe, it became a long string....08:12
lbt(maybe = maybe we said that back then, - it sounds sensible now)08:13
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Sageis multiply by 100 enough btw?08:14
Sage[DIR] 0.20120517.0.0.1/       30-Apr-2012 11:41    -08:15
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lbthttp://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Release_Versioning08:20
lbtI added the note "Worth noting that this release numbering system would sort alphanumerically for quite a while if Z and N were allocated 2 digits. Maybe for 1.2 ? "08:20
lbtthen removing the dots does the zero padding08:20
lbtdoes/uses08:21
lbtdiscussed with bitshuffler back in sept 2010 fwiw08:21
lbthe suggested we do it in MeeGo to support exactly this use08:22
lbtWe should label this release "Rover"08:26
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lbtOK ... starting the release <- Stskeeps09:00
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Stskeepsok09:08
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jonwilstskeeps: Did those cellmo documents I uploaded for you the other day help?09:20
Stskeepsjonwil: a bit, but they're not really matching the modems :/09:20
jonwilIf I had the "version numbers" for the individual resource servers on the N9/N950, I might be able to dig deeper and find some info on some of them. But I dont have that information for the N9/N950, only the N90009:22
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Stskeepshello M13_09:23
M13_hell`o09:23
StskeepsM13_: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions regarding Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time09:24
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tanuk2jusa_: O hai!09:46
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rsadhuhello All, how to bypass the company's proxy10:33
rsadhui tried exporting http_proxy inside sdk10:33
Stskeepswith mic, or?10:33
rsadhubut failing to connect10:33
rsadhuyes mic10:33
jjardonHi! any plan to include qt-gstreamer in the repos?10:33
Stskeepsjjardon: what deps does it have?10:33
Stskeepshttps://wiki.tizen.org/wiki/OSDev/MIC#How_to_set_proxy10:34
Stskeeps-> rsadhu10:34
rsadhustskeeps: thanks10:34
rsadhustskeeps: one more question , for proxy settings for zypper ?10:35
Stskeepshmm10:35
Stskeepsthat should really respect https_proxy10:35
Stskeepser, https10:35
Stskeepserr...10:35
Stskeepshttp_proxy10:35
* Stskeeps needs food10:35
jjardonStskeeps:  GStreamer 0.10.33 or later,  Qt 4.7 or later, Boost 1.39. CMake 2.8.6 to build10:38
Stskeepsjjardon: should work.. package it up?10:39
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Stskeepshello petrikah10:41
jjardonStskeeps: Sorry, Im not a packager. But Im happy to learn if you give me some docs10:41
petrikahHi10:41
Stskeepspetrikah: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions about Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :)10:41
jjardonStskeeps: btw congrats, this channel seems to have much more users than the last time I logged ;)10:43
petrikahHi, I have not used IRC before. I joined mer community with username petrikah.10:43
Stskeepspetrikah: sure :)10:44
Stskeepsjjardon: just take an existing yaml or spec from a qt lib and go from there10:44
Stskeepsthat's what i do :P10:44
Stskeepsjjardon: did you see my android demo?10:45
petrikahI wonder if my name is unique i.e., no others in IRC with same name10:45
Stskeepspetrikah: it is :)10:45
Stskeepselse you wouldn't be able to use it10:45
StskeepsREMINDER: Mer bug triage in 15 minutes in #mer-meeting10:45
petrikahOk :)10:45
Stskeepsand we forgot to send out the mail, fantastic.10:46
Stskeepslbt: will you drive?10:48
lbtmm10:48
lbtah, check clock,,, yes10:48
jjardonStskeeps: nope (I was in vacation disconnected from the technology). Link please ;)10:48
Stskeepsjjardon: https://plus.google.com/113386402913695079840/posts/AeWgdNikXBP10:51
tanuk2Stskeeps: Is that supposed to be video? It looks like a video thumbnail with a play icon, but G+ treats it as a photo for me...10:54
jusa_tanuk2: hello :)10:54
Stskeepstanuk2: yes, want it in mp4 format instead?10:54
Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/12080004.mp410:55
jjardonStskeeps: looks very promising, congrats10:55
tanuk2Stskeeps: Thanks! It looks like I don't have flash support installed, even though I thought I had...10:56
tanuk2jusa_: Nice to see you here :)10:57
jusa_tanuk2: likewise :)10:59
lbtANNOUNCE: bug triage started in #mer-meeting11:02
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petrikahI compiled my very first Mer image for Raspberry Pi but I have no display/keyboard. So does image have support for serial port or ssh via Ethernet?11:21
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Stskeepspetrikah: depends, what .ks did you use?11:22
jusa_anyone seen this error when repartitioning N9 for mer (following guide here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Single_Boot_by_Loading_The_Kernel)  -> repartitioning failed11:25
jusa_moslo /var/log/repartition.log says "ASSERT: Value of  ('ALTOS_PART_NUM') not an integer!"11:25
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jusa_reading /usr/bin/autopartition.sh shows that this error happens after harmattan partition is resized and new partition is created.11:29
Stskeepsjusa_: what size EMMC?11:30
jusa_Stskeeps: 64GB11:31
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StskeepsSage: didnt we have some kind of fix for that?11:31
SageNot sure. the moslo thingy is a bit messy atm.11:32
kallelajusa_: I just got the same repartitioning error with N9 16GB. nice to see you, btw! ;)11:32
Stskeepscan you try the dual boot one?11:33
jusa_kallela: nice. :) and nice to see you, too :)11:33
jusa_Stskeeps: can do, I just want to cover all my bases before I shut down the device..11:33
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kallelajusa_, Stskeeps: I run the flasher command again to load the kernel and this time repartitioning went successfully through! (??)11:40
Stskeepsinteresting11:40
jusa_kallela: ok11:43
jusa_actually when I read the autopartition.sh script it seems that actually the partition creation/re-initialization of partition table silently fails11:43
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jusa_kallela: yep, same thing here, re-running flasher and it went through... strange.12:06
jusa_worst case scenario is that additional alternative os size amount of space is reserved from harmattan partition12:08
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SageStskeeps: didn't have time to check much about the -next, seem to work ok. If you don't count the xorg signal 6 restart12:29
SageStskeeps: ? (forgot)12:29
Stskeepsit seems to work ok yes12:30
lbtrelease done12:30
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SageStskeeps: was release pushed to cobs already?12:36
Sageif not please hold a moment :)12:36
SageStskeeps: can you kick http://review.merproject.org/#change,72812:46
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rsadhuMerSDK bash-3.2$ sudo mic create fs mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.ks -o . --pkgmgr=yum --arch i486 --compress-disk-image=tar.bz212:52
rsadhuError <kickstart>: 'mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.ks': The following problem occurred on line 1 of the kickstart file:12:52
rsadhuUnknown command: <?xml12:52
Stskeepsif your .ks is xml, something is wrong12:53
dm8tbr:)12:53
dm8tbrusually a http error message or directory index ;)12:54
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rsadhustskeeps: yes it is xml12:54
rsadhu:(12:54
rsadhuafter i get this kickstart (.ks) file , using12:56
rsadhucurl -k -o mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.ks https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/latest/images/mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot/12:56
rsadhui see its an xml12:56
Stskeepswhere was that instruction?12:56
rsadhuhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK12:56
lbtSage: ?12:58
dm8tbrStskeeps: I noticed the URL there points to the directory index and people don't think but just wget12:58
Sageso12:58
lbtdm8tbr: ha!12:58
dm8tbror at least one of them did point to a directory once12:58
lbtit does12:58
SageJust realized a case where mer_release isn't enough for nemo and what would need separate subproject trees for :next: and :latest:12:58
dm8tbrhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Building_an_image12:59
dm8tbrthat one12:59
lbtSage: OK, lessee if we can resolve it12:59
dm8tbrmaybe you should prevent the url from being hilighted as such. (dunno the mw syntax, else I'd do it)12:59
Sagelbt: for example, I have now telepathy-glib update pending that requires glib2 update to mer core. I can't push this to project that has repos building against latest and next as it wouldn't build against latest and would break12:59
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SageSo in this case the source package would need to be separate for latest and next13:00
lbtgah ... doorbell13:00
lbtbbias13:00
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* Sage hopes lbt can think how to solve this with mer_release ;)13:01
StskeepsSage: is there a build check passed glib2 anywhere?13:04
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SageStskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv8el=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Ai586&repo_Mer_Core_armv7hl=1&succeeded=1 ?13:05
StskeepsSage: in gerrit..13:05
Sagehttp://review.merproject.org/#change,627 ?13:06
Stskeepsthat fails in qtwebkit and qemu-usermode-static13:06
Sageit needs my qemu-usermode, pcre and qtwebkit submits as well13:06
Stskeepsok13:06
Sageqemu-usermode needs pcre13:06
Stskeepsi'm going to merge a lot of stuff and start a build with that overnight then13:06
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SageStskeeps: let me know if you face problems.13:08
Sagehttp://review.merproject.org/#change,684 <- qemu13:08
StskeepsSage: ok13:11
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alteregoSage: how're we getting on with qmsystem?13:14
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sivangre all13:32
Stskeepswb13:32
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* sivang tries to undrestand what do we want to do with https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17613:33
sivangI would say adding a disclaimer should suffice, unless I'm not understanding the issue completely :)13:33
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Stskeepssivang: mer can't be lsb compliant and there13:34
Stskeeps's no ARM LSB13:34
sivangStskeeps: I see, so there's no point in having the packages at all?13:35
Sagetime for mer-standard-base ? ;)13:35
sivangSage: right on :)13:35
sivangStskeeps: we could try to be nice and say we are trying to follow the standard without any guarantee ?13:35
* sivang just throws ideas13:36
Stskeepsnah13:36
Stskeepsin practice lsb doesnt' give us much tbh13:36
sivangtrue13:36
sivangokay, cool- so the first thing I understand from the issue is that at least in .ks files or their templates for that matter, those package should not be listed for inclusion anymore.13:37
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Stskeepsyeah13:37
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Sagemeego-lsb isn't even installed on nemo images btw13:37
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Sagelsb-release is though13:38
sivangSage: is it enough to drop them from the .ks templates or what else could be done to not have them taken care off at the buildd?13:40
Sagesome packages might use the lsb-release in their scripts so not sure13:41
StskeepsSage: merged a bunch of stuff to mer13:41
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SageStskeeps: can you handle this one as well http://review.merproject.org/#change,72113:42
Sagethen I can do a fix for systemd package13:42
StskeepsSage: afterwards13:42
sivangSage: then we should leave that one in, and just drop meego-lsb13:42
Sagesivang: well, we should drop that one as well I think. But everything that depends on those needs to be fixed13:45
sivang(not wanting to cause a rebuild and reduplicating common logic back) we could also rename the pkg but in terms of depends that woudl also cause a rebuild of the repo?13:45
SageStskeeps: about the /usr link probably release after this next fast one?13:46
alteregoStskeeps: do you mean my dialer stuff when you mentioned documentation earlier?13:46
lbtSage: had to pick Denise up from station - back now13:46
lbtcan you link to the new telepathy-glib version13:47
lbtbecause that's exactly the thing we need to solve I think13:47
sivangSage: k, 'll record into bug report so far.13:48
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Sagelbt: I don't have it packaged atm. but it is hard dependency to glib 2.32.x and old mer release has 2.30.x13:48
SageI can check the packaging though. A momemnt13:48
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Sagelbt: actually now here https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=telepathy-glib&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AMW%3AShared13:52
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lbtSage: what's the objective here? Because I'm thinking : CE:MW:Shared / telepathy-glib-next13:56
lbtto do it with macros would end up with multiple Source013:57
lbtalthough13:57
lbthmm13:57
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sivangStskeeps, Sage : when rpm -q lsb-release --whatrequires I get 'no package requires lsb-release'14:09
sivang(on the SDK)14:09
sivangperhaps I should test this on the image?14:09
lbtSage: https://gist.github.com/327467814:09
lbtyou'd need 2 src tarballs in the packaging14:09
lbtand would produce different versions of glib-telepathy for both14:10
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lbtbbiab14:10
Sagelbt: that is starting to go a bit complex in my opion14:12
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Sagelbt: as I need to do it for 5 packages in telepathy and then api's change and then it goes to UX etc.14:12
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Stskeepssivang: bbl14:18
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crevetorHi guys14:24
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Stskeepsheya crevetor14:26
alteregoHi crevetor14:29
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crevetorStskeeps: I was wondering, if we want to have a hardfp build for RaspberryPi is it "only" a matter of recompiling every package with hardfp support ?14:39
Stskeepsyes14:39
Stskeepsi made the first hardfp build for rpi14:39
Stskeepsall the others are just impersonators14:40
Stskeeps:P14:40
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crevetor:)14:40
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crevetorStskeeps: do you mean that the armv6l is actually armv6hl ?14:41
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Stskeepsno, but i already did a simple test run ages ago14:42
crevetorok14:42
crevetorWould it be possible to add armv6hl to OBS ?14:43
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Stskeepsyes, but bigger fish to fry first14:49
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lbtSage: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_cross_distribution_howto#Detect_a_distribution_flavor_for_special_code14:53
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crevetorStskeeps: would I be able to do it myself ?14:54
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Sagelbt: yes, I can understand packaging same version with those macros but packaging different version seems like a huge burden. How to make sure that there isn't soon 5 different tarballs for different releases? Will be remove src.rpm's for good as those would not work properly for each of them if you don't mention all the sources for all.15:09
Sageok, time to go out for a moment to collect thoughs :)15:09
lbtwell - you currently only want -latest and -next15:10
lbtyou could take the approach I used in Mer 1.015:11
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lbtnm forget that15:12
lbtbut yes, I think it's better to do that than to duplicate the entire project15:12
lbtand the answer on "how to ensure" is policy15:12
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rsadhui want to install mercurial repo client on sdk15:17
rsadhuzypper cant find the package hg15:18
rsadhudo i have to build it ?15:18
lbtyes15:18
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lbtrsadhu: when you've done that you may want to submit it to Mer:Tools15:19
rsadhulbt: i didnt understand , what does submit means here ?15:20
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lbtwell, I need to write some docs on that15:22
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lbtiamer updating mic for imager => "nothing provides btrfs-progs needed by mic, nothing provides python-zypp >= 0.5.9.1 needed by mic"16:01
lbt(nb is mic really a BR for imager?)16:02
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Ionakkawhat is btw happening with the obs?16:03
StskeepsIonakka: we released a new mer release16:07
Stskeepslots of rebuild16:07
lbtnot yet afaik16:07
Stskeepsoh16:07
Stskeepswell then n16:07
Stskeepso16:07
lbtIonakka: what do you mean?16:07
lbtStskeeps: waiting for Sage to take nemo snapshot16:08
Stskeepsok16:09
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sp3000anybody familiar with where sb2 takes patches?16:12
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Stskeepssp3000: gitorious or author directly, http://maemo.gitorious.org/scratchbox216:13
sp3000yeah, well, there seem to be two merge requests ever there, from 2 years ago, so that path looks a bit dead16:14
sp3000mailing random people it is! :)16:14
StskeepsLauri@aarnio.org16:14
Stskeepstry that16:14
sp3000yeah he seems most recently active16:15
Stskeepswhat issue did you find?16:15
Ionakka<lbt> Ionakka: what do you mean?   <--- i meant whether it would move out from meego.com soonish16:15
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sp3000Stskeeps: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481#c016:16
Stskeepssp3000: you're tuukka, or?16:17
sp3000right16:17
Ionakkasome packages at public obs doesn't seem to be that-up-to-date16:17
Stskeepssp3000: man, i have got to get my real name -> irc connections right..16:18
lbtIonakka: 2 questions : moving out from meego.com ... no immediate plans16:18
sp3000card carrying member of the secret superhero identity club16:18
lbtpackages up-to-date: Mer is up2date, other packages depend on their maintainers16:18
sp3000well, except for the card carrying16:19
sp3000that's fixable! :P16:19
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Ionakkalbt: thanks16:23
lbtIonakka: any packages in particular?16:24
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Ionakkalbt: i was looking for connman-qt16:24
Ionakkafound it in CE:MW:Shared which should be up-to-date one16:24
lbtcorrect16:24
Ionakkahttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS   <--- helpful wiki page16:25
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sivangbbl y'all16:40
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* Stskeeps yawns17:50
* CosmoHill offers Stskeeps a drink17:54
Stskeepsthanks17:55
CosmoHillgood day bad day?17:56
lbtjust tweakint the yaml->xml for patterns to support multiple yaml docs in one file - should make editing groups a bit easier17:57
CosmoHilli have no idea what any of that meant but I know I've done something related17:57
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RaYmAnslightly offtopic, but anyone familiar with any simple, small "GUI" style frameworks for simple graphics on framebuffer? (embedded so slightly related ;))18:22
PaimenQt for embedded uses framebuffer18:23
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RaYmAnisn't that fairly large? (the part I forgot to mention - it has to fit in a ramdisk)18:24
Paimenah that small18:25
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RaYmAnyeah - just need something for a short-running ramdisk-based tool. Having trouble finding anything useful18:25
StskeepsRaYmAn: we used this text2screen tihngie18:26
Paimenhave you checked directFB18:26
Paimenhttp://www.directfb.org/18:26
RaYmAnyeah - looked at it. Was rather unsure how well it works on arbitrary embedded framebuffer drivers18:27
RaYmAnGuess I need to try it out :)18:27
Paimenwell those 2 are only ones came to my mind18:28
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RaYmAntext2screen might be sufficient actually18:28
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RaYmAnthanks for the pointers in any case :)18:31
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StskeepsRaYmAn: https://github.com/stskeeps/libhybris - place i'm cleaning up stuff18:33
RaYmAnStskeeps: ah, cool :)18:33
Stskeeps(not really working yet)18:33
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Stskeepshello wesk77_18:34
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Stskeeps:P18:35
wesk77_hi Stskeeps18:35
Paimenit seems to be rainy day tomorrow18:35
Stskeepswesk77_: welcome to #mer :) so what brings you here?18:36
StskeepsPaimen: here they issued a warning over a massive thunderstorm and "don't go outside"18:36
Stskeeps:P18:36
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Stskeepsshould be a fun evening18:36
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wesk77_a ping timeout, i guess ;P18:37
Stskeepshehe18:37
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wesk77_or a flood, it seems Oo18:37
Paimenwell my wife tried to convict me to pick some blueberries, but it seems that I can just stay inside and merge qt5 stuff to tdriver18:37
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Stskeepshehe18:38
* dm8tbr has something, but there is no explicit license attached18:39
dm8tbrother option would be to look at kexecboot they had some graphics and text and it fit an initramfs18:39
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RaYmAndm8tbr: yeah, that is part of my research list too.. :P18:43
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wesk77Stskeeps: though actually i'm here because maemo is more or less dead and i guess i'll have to switch my n900 to mer (nemo) at some point18:57
wesk77so i thought it'd be a good idea to idle here a bit to stay informed on interesting changes :)18:58
Stskeepswesk77: sure :) #nemomobile is always a good place too18:59
wesk77yes, i'm over there, too18:59
Stskeepsalright19:00
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sivangevening19:46
CosmoHillhi19:46
sivanghey CosmoHill19:48
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CosmoHillhow are you20:04
sivangCosmoHill: mostly well, you? :)20:05
CosmoHillI'm good20:05
sivangCosmoHill: Are you contributing to Mer ?20:05
CosmoHillno i just hang about here20:05
sivangCosmoHill: ah, just as good, what are you up to these days?20:05
CosmoHillI got a job as a web developer :)20:05
CosmoHilli need to organise my spare time better so I can do things20:06
fk_lx1CosmoHill: time organization is the hardest part20:06
sivangCosmoHill: ah nice! What tech's?20:06
CosmoHillI started by cleaning my desk and going for bike rides20:06
CosmoHilloh it's shite20:06
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CosmoHillwindows desktop with free software20:07
CosmoHillI installed vmware and run fedora on it20:07
CosmoHillvirtualbox*20:07
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sivangCosmoHill: what web tech are you using?20:16
CosmoHilloh, php and mysql for me20:17
CosmoHillbut I can do html, css and some js20:17
CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/Portfolio/20:17
sivangnice! I'm working with nodejs these days20:17
CosmoHillnice20:18
VenemoI'll probably get frowned for saying, but I use ASP.NET for web dev20:18
CosmoHillknow a guy who wrote a irc bot in it20:18
CosmoHillVenemo: cool20:18
CosmoHillI use git and less on my personal projects20:19
Venemogit is awesome20:19
CosmoHillwork in a mess20:19
CosmoHillstuff gets done but not in the best way20:19
Venemowhat do you mean?20:19
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CosmoHillwe have issues of me and the other developer accidently overwriting changes or things being broken and the boss being pissed when he's the one that fines then20:20
Venemowell, a version control system should eliminate those issues.20:21
Venemoeven a basic one20:21
CosmoHillyeah20:22
CosmoHillwell they never had this issue until they hired me20:22
CosmoHill(me being the second developer)20:22
Venemomhm :)20:22
Venemohm.20:22
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CosmoHillwhat I try and do is write the best code that I can and learn as I go :)20:23
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CosmoHillI should do something with my pi20:25
CosmoHilland my websites20:25
CosmoHilland bike20:25
CosmoHilland life...20:25
fk_lxwow20:25
fk_lxthe last part sounds scary20:26
fk_lxI mean serious20:26
CosmoHilldw, you can't see me smiling20:26
fk_lxdoing sth with life sounds you are not pleased with it at the current state20:27
CosmoHillI've had a job for four months so it's still early days20:27
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CosmoHillI find that since I got my job I don't do anything with my spare time20:31
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CosmoHillI lack motivation but when I get going on stuff without distraction I can do a lot of work20:41
CosmoHillI've done some stuff with my bike and four hours later I finished tinkering20:42
fk_lx:-)20:43
fk_lxyou spend a lot of time playing with your bike20:43
CosmoHilli love my bike20:43
CosmoHilli can strip it and put it back together again if I want20:43
fk_lxthat's great20:43
CosmoHillI could probably do the same with my car if I wanted and was brave enough20:43
CosmoHillmy attitude is that if I can do something myself I will and if I can't I'll give it a try20:44
CosmoHillI've worked on my car with my cousin just sitting there texting and helping me when I need it20:44
CosmoHillI took my car for a swim and needed to strip the interior afterwards :/20:45
fk_lxyeah but if you will be doing everything by yourself, then probably you won't have spare time for other things20:45
CosmoHilli mean like coding, working on my bike, doing stuff20:45
CosmoHillif I sit on my arse watching stuff I feel like I've wasted my time20:45
CosmoHillI need to do something with my time so I can say 'I've done this today"20:46
fk_lxmake todo list20:47
fk_lxa tick what you have acheived20:48
fk_lxit will motivate you more to do useful things20:48
CosmoHillI got a old todo list20:48
CosmoHillhas things like "ride bike with luke"20:48
CosmoHillI don't speak with luke any more (for one reason or another)20:49
CosmoHillfuck, I was meant to phone someone about viewing a car about an hour ago20:50
fk_lxbad organization20:51
fk_lx:-)20:51
CosmoHillmum just said they might be on hoilday anyway20:52
CosmoHillbeen looking at cars for ages (as you knows well know) but I'm actually viewing cars now and I think I've found one20:53
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CosmoHillis that the same as #stfu-cosmo ?20:57
Stskeepsnah20:58
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CosmoHillStskeeps: one day I will contribute something useful to mer20:59
sivangStskeeps: :)21:00
Stskeepsgood21:00
sivangStskeeps, phaeron : there's a chance I need to upgrade mic? getting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1133222/21:00
Stskeepsnah, just new release out and repos you use not updated yet21:01
sivangStskeeps: so just wait for upgrade to pass thru ?21:02
phaeronsivang: if you're using latest kickstart I pointed out, then you might have stale cache or caching proxy somewhere inbetween21:03
phaeronhmm scratch that21:04
phaeronseems stuff hasn't rebuilt in obs21:04
phaeronlbt: ^^21:04
sivangoh okay21:07
sivangso obs needs a kick?21:07
* sivang ponders how to refresh cach21:09
sivangI did 'ref'21:09
sivangto zypper, and update21:09
phaeronsivang: problem not on your side21:09
sivangah k :) I'll get some sleep and try again later.21:09
sivangthanks.21:10
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* lbt has not pushed mer to cobs 'cos everyone seemed asleep and I had builds to do :)21:53
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CosmoHillhey lbt21:53
CosmoHilltoyota avensis 2.2 turbo diesel, yay or nay?21:54
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