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| rsadhu | good morning :) | 04:51 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:27 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | and welcome to fjb too | 06:32 |
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| Stskeeps | huomenta laavu | 06:43 |
| laavu | good morning | 06:43 |
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| Stskeeps | dzien dobry jstaniek | 06:51 |
| jstaniek | witaj Stskeeps | 06:51 |
| jstaniek | miły poranek | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, though it's going to rain a bit later | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: https://plus.google.com/113386402913695079840/posts/AeWgdNikXBP - managed to utilize android GPU drivers under Mer | 06:52 |
| jstaniek | impressive for me | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's the one thing that many thought couldn't be done :) | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | same concept can be used for android RIL/modem drivers, perhaps multimedia, etc | 06:55 |
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| jstaniek | Stskeeps: could I use mer on native intel (i7) for some prototype device? | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: sure | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: we have atom/ssse3 port and even generic i486 | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | try to boot Nemo mobile's x86 image on it and if that works, it's almost trivial to get things working | 07:06 |
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| jonwil | This is awesome that you can run Mer on this larger range of devices :) | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | my plan is to clean up code a bit, make a libegl/gles wrapper and then have community start playing with it on their devices | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | so we can find out just how much the concept works across multiple devices | 07:33 |
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| Stskeeps | wow, a lot of changes to review | 07:42 |
| lbt | o/ | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think we can schedule release for tomorrow | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | can you review release blockers and see what we forgot? | 07:55 |
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| lbt | will do | 08:01 |
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| rsadhu | @dm8tbr: dont mind : why do you always moan :p | 08:17 |
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| dm8tbr | rsadhu: because it's a variation of 'good moaning' 'good morning' and before my second coffee I can't do much more than moan | 08:30 |
| lbt | no release blockers outstanding | 08:30 |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=Release_Blocker | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok, verify the closedd too | 08:31 |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=CLOSED&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=Release_Blocker | 08:32 |
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| rsadhu | dm8tbr: :) | 08:32 |
| lbt | 349, 373, 412, 377, 378 are merged | 08:38 |
| lbt | (nb, too hard to tell) | 08:38 |
| lbt | phaeron: ping | 08:39 |
| phaeron | lbt: morning | 08:39 |
| lbt | hey :) | 08:39 |
| lbt | so where did compare-repo end up ? | 08:39 |
| phaeron | lbt: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss-standard-workflow/blobs/master/utils/repodiff.py split to script , module , and participant | 08:40 |
| phaeron | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss-standard-workflow/blobs/master/modules/repo_diff.py | 08:41 |
| lbt | cool - can I compare 2 OBS repos? Tools and T:Testing? | 08:41 |
| phaeron | lbt: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss-standard-workflow/blobs/master/participants/obs_repodiff.py | 08:42 |
| phaeron | lbt: yes either with the command line tool or the participant obs_repodiff :source => 'prjname', :target => 'prjname' | 08:43 |
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| lbt | ty | 08:44 |
| phaeron | did we ever find where our mic git is ? | 08:46 |
| lbt | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/mic.git | 08:50 |
| lbt | and that will (eventually) be the answer for anything in Tools | 08:50 |
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| lbt | phaeron: so... PYTHONPATH=/mer/mer/devel/mer-mint/boss-standard-workflow/modules/ ./repodiff.py --old=http://repo.pub.meego.com//Mer:/Tools/Mer_Core_i486/ --new=http://repo.pub.meego.com//Mer:/Tools:/Testing/Mer_Core_i486/ | 09:08 |
| lbt | that tells me mer-kickstarter has changed | 09:09 |
| lbt | but doesn't mention osc or mic | 09:10 |
| lbt | which have outstanding SRs | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm not sure 482 is fixed | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | ui comes up anyway | 09:11 |
| lbt | only triaged on 30/Jly so not in this release | 09:12 |
| phaeron | lbt: outstanding SRs ? | 09:12 |
| lbt | 5347 | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, i saw it on my img at least | 09:13 |
| lbt | 5351 | 09:13 |
| lbt | 5352 | 09:13 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah - we slipped a lot on this release and I think that's a blocker for the next one | 09:14 |
| phaeron | lbt: probably your nice new versioning scheme, patches welcome | 09:14 |
| lbt | :/ | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:16 |
| * lbt sobs quietly | 09:19 | |
| phaeron | lbt: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss-standard-workflow/blobs/master/modules/repo_diff.py#line136 | 09:19 |
| phaeron | remove that and next line , and test again | 09:19 |
| phaeron | or hmm | 09:20 |
| phaeron | not remove it needs to take into account the rest of the version | 09:20 |
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| lbt | oh, you mean it ignores -<release> because it's CI_CNT ? | 09:23 |
| lbt | package 0.2.3-4 == 0.2.3-5 ? | 09:23 |
| phaeron | debugging | 09:24 |
| lbt | OK - ty, I'll look at something else | 09:24 |
| lbt | phaeron: FYI I get: https://gist.github.com/3263393 when doing a diff at the osc level | 09:33 |
| phaeron | that's revision based | 09:33 |
| phaeron | lbt: btw I am getting different results | 09:34 |
| phaeron | lbt: you're using debian yum ? | 09:34 |
| phaeron | or sdk yum (which could also be old) | 09:35 |
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| lbt | sdk yum | 09:35 |
| lbt | phaeron: I know - but it is accurate and so should be useful | 09:36 |
| phaeron | who is accurate ? | 09:36 |
| lbt | me of course :) | 09:36 |
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| lbt | it's also src package based (which is what I want for this situation) - but it's godawful slow | 09:37 |
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| Stskeeps | vgradetab: how are hols@? | 09:38 |
| vgradetab | Stskeeps: world changing post there | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 09:39 |
| vgradetab | Great sat by the pool reading the news | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | vgradetab: my plan is to clean it up, then have community go crazy with it | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | to get largest amount of reference devices early on | 09:40 |
| vgradetab | They sure will. Good way to propell her even further | 09:41 |
| phaeron | lbt: only slow first time , second time has cache. it doesn't open the packages only uses repometadata | 09:41 |
| lbt | no, my method is slow | 09:44 |
| lbt | by comparison yours is blazing fast first time :) | 09:45 |
| phaeron | lbt: ok :) , repodiff also uses the 'src' arch so it compares source rpms only ( you can add other archs if you want , but usually redundant | 09:46 |
| lbt | ah, good - didn't realise that | 09:47 |
| phaeron | lbt: ah it seems the issue with osc at least is there is no new changelog entry | 09:47 |
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| lbt | fair - it only deletes the debian packaging | 09:49 |
| phaeron | lbt: there are two report modes. short diff only cares about version , that's the line I pointed out above. the long diff looks at changelogs and if there is no new changelog it considers it a rebuild (because of the assumption about CI_BC) | 09:51 |
| lbt | OK | 09:51 |
| lbt | so we should be OK since we'll insist on a new changelog entry for new -<REL> | 09:52 |
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| phaeron | yes , but I don't know how to care about full version without reporting a lot spurious things | 09:53 |
| phaeron | for short diff | 09:53 |
| lbt | I can only think --number-of-significant-dotted-values-in-release=1 | 09:54 |
| lbt | defaults to 0 | 09:55 |
| lbt | you may want to abbreviate that to -n | 09:55 |
| phaeron | :D | 09:55 |
| lbt | ideally you'd deduce from prjconf Release: | 09:55 |
| lbt | but too risky | 09:55 |
| phaeron | it's not tied to OBS , you can diff any repos | 09:56 |
| lbt | yep, exactly | 09:56 |
| lbt | going to cancel my SRs btw | 09:56 |
| lbt | created Mer:Tools:Trial | 09:57 |
| phaeron | if release starts with a letter , it is significant ? | 09:57 |
| lbt | no | 09:57 |
| phaeron | lbt: static trial ? | 09:57 |
| lbt | manual | 09:57 |
| phaeron | yuck | 09:57 |
| lbt | I need to do it 'now' | 09:57 |
| phaeron | k | 09:57 |
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| lbt | Aard: did you get emacs running on Mer yet? | 10:24 |
| lbt | wow ... looking out window and it looks foggy - but it's just *really* heavy rain | 10:24 |
| Aard | lbt: didn't try, should be trivial, though | 10:28 |
| Aard | I still have all the useful packages to put on top of meegos emacs around | 10:28 |
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| Rubdos_ | I just got email about s2110 from Lenovo. A tablet with keyboard, android 4. Any thoughts about mer/meego on it? | 10:53 |
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| Venemo | w00t, could I use that UI for my event feed accounts? | 10:58 |
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| Venemo | alterego, btw, are the qtmobility orientation sensors still using polling? | 11:01 |
| w00t | I guess, if you like, though there's really nothing useful to it, it's a pile of mess that execs processes.. I'm sure we'll have a proper solution one day(TM) | 11:02 |
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| Venemo | I'm up to making a proper solution in the coming week :) | 11:03 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: ping | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | plong | 13:15 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: What does this mean mean in review messages "Change subject: Fixed invalid url entry in iproute spec file" ? | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | it talks about the subject you sent the change with | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | so you know what change it's talking about | 13:18 |
| situ | Allright. | 13:19 |
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| rcg | is there somewhere a build of usb_modeswitch for mer armv7l? | 16:21 |
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| ajalkane | kyyberi: - is not allowed, https://github.com/rubygems/rubygems.org/blob/master/app/models/rubygem.rb#L244 | 18:10 |
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| ajalkane | sorry misread... it is allowed so nothing wrong with that name | 18:11 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm taking name ideas for my android-hw-adaptations-on-mer library | 18:12 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: Are you going to make android applications run on Mer or Mer run on Android kernel? | 18:15 |
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| kyyberi | ajalkane: but does it have to be same with module name in install_generator.rb? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: i don't care about the first.. i have a working example of me using android GPU drivers with a mer glibc based application | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: on an android kernel | 18:16 |
| kyyberi | ajalkane: as in here https://github.com/kyyberi/Meet-Mer-meetings/blob/master/lib/generators/meetmermeeting/install_generator.rb | 18:16 |
| ajalkane | kyyberi: sorry, I don't remember any Rails details anymore. Too lnog time ago, and things have probably changed many times since I last looked at it | 18:16 |
| kyyberi | ajalkane :) ok | 18:16 |
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| kyyberi | I'll ask in another channel (#rubyonrails), but not tonight. Need to chill a bit before monday morning comes | 18:32 |
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| kyyberi | nevertheless, MeerMer core is ready (stripped features from it) | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | cool | 18:40 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: Suggestion. After the next mer release is ok (Monday). Can we make new prerelease on tuesday or wednesday with the glib2 and all stuff that has already been accepted to staging? | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: that's the idea.. | 18:43 |
| Sage | ok | 18:43 |
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| Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, can you help me with the raspberry pi sometime? my first attempt resulted in no output on the screen :( | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: ok | 18:43 |
| Venemo_N9 | I basically flashed the already built image | 18:44 |
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| Venemo_N9 | note that I tried the composite video output, as I don't have an hdmi monitor | 18:45 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: I was thinking that maybe we could actually try to push next Mer release through a bit quicker. First snapshot on wednesday and testing and release even already on next monday? | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | right now i'd like to get livecd working as it's a PITA | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | to use raw in real devices :P | 18:53 |
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| Sage | yes | 19:00 |
| Sage | about the next release. I really would like the glib2 update in fast as it blocks my telepathy stuff and I don't want to waste time by selecting versions just before the glib version requirement :) | 19:01 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | wb fk_lx | 19:11 |
| fk_lx | hello Stskeeps | 19:11 |
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| lbt | phaeron: ping | 20:14 |
| phaeron | lbt: *yawn* | 20:16 |
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| phaeron | lbt: ? | 20:30 |
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| lbt | phaeron: missed your hilight :) | 20:31 |
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| lbt | oh yes | 20:31 |
| lbt | img | 20:31 |
| phaeron | you mean omg ? | 20:31 |
| phaeron | :D | 20:31 |
| lbt | :) | 20:31 |
| lbt | we need the latest mic in IMG to make SDK images with mtab | 20:31 |
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| lbt | are you up for doing the debian/suse packaging for MINT? | 20:32 |
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| * phaeron is confused ? | 20:33 | |
| phaeron | lbt: mic is already packaged , just update it | 20:34 |
| phaeron | you don't use img yet , do you ? | 20:34 |
| lbt | yes, it's on phost5 on mer infra | 20:34 |
| phaeron | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=mic&project=Project:MINT:Testing | 20:35 |
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| lbt | https://img.merproject.org/img/ | 20:35 |
| phaeron | lbt: the old one that doesn't work ? | 20:35 |
| lbt | WFM | 20:35 |
| phaeron | looks very old | 20:35 |
| lbt | are the colours faded? | 20:36 |
| phaeron | dusty | 20:36 |
| * lbt wonders about patenting a UI that shows cracks when bug fixes are available upstream | 20:36 | |
| lbt | and where the colours fade and peel when a new release comes out | 20:37 |
| lbt | and then does boring shit instead... | 20:37 |
| phaeron | I think you're still using mic bootstrap ? | 20:38 |
| lbt | old == long time since I looked at it == not sure | 20:40 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, I wish I could watch your presentation again. | 20:40 |
| phaeron | lbt: ok | 20:40 |
| phaeron | bbl | 20:40 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo: Stskeeps is probably sleeping now | 20:44 |
| Venemo | possibly | 20:44 |
| Venemo | :) | 20:44 |
| fk_lx | he told me so about 30 minutes ago | 20:44 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 20:44 |
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| fk_lx | that he is going to sleep | 20:45 |
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| Venemo | fk_lx, I should be sleeping too, probably | 20:47 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo: btw. nice work on that N9 like desktop you've made for Nemo | 20:47 |
| Venemo | fk_lx, thank you. :) | 20:48 |
| Venemo | fk_lx, although it's nowhere near complete yet | 20:48 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: I know and I think you should add "behavior on rotation" when the orientation changes | 20:49 |
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| Venemo | fk_lx, what are you suggesting? I plan to add a nice animation. | 20:49 |
| fk_lx | I see | 20:50 |
| fk_lx | very good :-) | 20:50 |
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| Venemo | fk_lx, at the end though, I want it to look somewhat less like a harmattan copy. | 20:52 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo: that's great, I am sure you can do better than it is in Harmattan | 20:53 |
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| Venemo | fk_lx, I'd like to add some more UI elements and customization possibilites. and widgets! :) | 20:55 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: yeah, widgets, that is one of the things I miss from N900 | 20:55 |
| Venemo | that is the case for many people fk_lx, not just you :) | 20:56 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo: probably I am not special and unique, just average user :-) | 20:58 |
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| Venemo | :) | 20:59 |
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| fk_lx | btw. is there a way to help you somehow with the stuff you are doing | 21:00 |
| fk_lx | ? | 21:00 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 21:00 |
| Venemo | yeah, there's a lot of work to do. | 21:00 |
| Venemo | for the most part, I could use help from someone with deep knowledge of X and a bit of free time. | 21:01 |
| Venemo | as there are some X bits that are still rudimentary. | 21:01 |
| fk_lx | I doubt I know someone who is deep into X | 21:02 |
| fk_lx | :-( | 21:02 |
| Venemo | the other thing that I'm still looking into is a way to implement the event feed. | 21:03 |
| fk_lx | hmmm | 21:03 |
| fk_lx | you want sth similar to Harmattan event feed? | 21:04 |
| Venemo | yes, with a different UI | 21:04 |
| fk_lx | of course :-) | 21:04 |
| Venemo | I haven't decided on the architecture yet, but I'd like it to be extensibe with plugins. | 21:04 |
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| Venemo | one possible way is to require plugins to be written in QML and load a bunch of QMLs from a directory in runtime. | 21:05 |
| fk_lx | that seems reasonable | 21:05 |
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| Venemo | whatever backend we end up using, this approach would warrant easy replaceability for it. | 21:07 |
| Venemo | as the plugins themselves could use any other thing backing them. | 21:07 |
| Venemo | one such option is using libsocialweb | 21:07 |
| Venemo | I've taken a look at libsocialweb. pro: seems to be able to do what we need + has Qt bindings. con: not very well documented + not sure how maintained it isc | 21:09 |
| fk_lx | it doesn't have it's own dedicated project page | 21:11 |
| fk_lx | as far as I can see | 21:11 |
| fk_lx | only some repository | 21:11 |
| Venemo | my point exactly | 21:12 |
| Venemo | we could then also use some lightweight solution, I'm sure there are lots of libraries out there. | 21:12 |
| fk_lx | maybe someone could do that research for you | 21:13 |
| Venemo | I already found some facebook and twitter libraries. | 21:14 |
| Venemo | anyway, that is out of my scope for now. :) | 21:14 |
| fk_lx | anyway it is very valuable information for me what you've written | 21:15 |
| Venemo | what do you mean? | 21:15 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo: it is sometimes hard to create tasks for students | 21:16 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: I mean the topics of projects | 21:16 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: sth that would be useful for others | 21:16 |
| Venemo | fk_lx, oh, you'd like to give this to your students? :o | 21:17 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: why not? actually I am on this channel to look for such kind of ideas | 21:17 |
| Venemo | awesome :) | 21:17 |
| Venemo | well, the event feed is definitely something where you can chime in. :) | 21:18 |
| fk_lx | the bad news is that it is still long time before October | 21:18 |
| fk_lx | currently students are mostly slacking off | 21:18 |
| fk_lx | as I can guess | 21:19 |
| Venemo | I'm sure there will be work to do in october too | 21:19 |
| fk_lx | yep, certainly | 21:19 |
| Venemo | also, I'm looking for creative guys too. | 21:19 |
| Venemo | mostly for ideas | 21:20 |
| fk_lx | mhm | 21:20 |
| Venemo | I have many ideas, but not all of them make sense, you know :) | 21:21 |
| fk_lx | :-D | 21:21 |
| fk_lx | It's just the same like me | 21:21 |
| Venemo | :) | 21:21 |
| fk_lx | it was famous saying in one of the books from my national literature | 21:22 |
| Venemo | mhm | 21:22 |
| fk_lx | "I don't have nothing, you don't have nothing, together we have a lot" | 21:22 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 21:22 |
| Venemo | :) | 21:22 |
| fk_lx | so maybe combining and confronting ideas will create some great value | 21:27 |
| Venemo | indeed | 21:28 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 21:57 |
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