Friday, 2012-08-03

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Stskeepslbt: prerelease please05:08
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* Sage ponders if qtwebkit 2.2.1 is the latest release made atm.05:13
Stskeepsthere's 2.2.2 i think05:13
Sageas I would need to path 2.2.1 to get it build properly with new glib and the patch to fix that was merged 10 months ago :)05:14
Sageok, not fixed in 2.2.2 either so patch needed anyway05:18
Sagewtf ;) Source/JavaScriptCore/wtf/gobject/GTypedefs.h05:18
Bostikvery fitting subsystem name in that monstrocity05:19
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Stskeepsmorn timoph :)05:36
timophhow's things05:37
Stskeepsthey're good.. got further with my experiments with using android graphics drivers on mer, so i'm happy05:38
timophthat should make possible to run mer on a bunch of more devices05:40
timophgiven one can boot anything else than android on them in the first place05:40
dm8tbrStskeeps: trying with wayland I presume?05:41
Stskeepsdm8tbr: at some point, yeah05:41
Stskeepsdm8tbr: but right now i'm happy just putting shit on screen05:42
Stskeepsi have it giving me egl context/surface, so05:42
Stskeepsso that's already quite far05:42
dm8tbrdid you wrap it into something or are you doing dual-libc?05:42
Stskeepsdm8tbr: do you know libdl, dlsym, dlopen?05:43
Stskeeps(just want to establish level of knowledge before i explain it)05:44
dm8tbrI've heard the terms, but not that great with the stuff :)05:44
Stskeepsalright, nevertheless, i have a libdl implementation which is basically android's linker05:44
Stskeepsso i can dlopen android libraries from within a glibc program05:44
dm8tbrah, nice, so no need to ship bionic05:44
timophthat's actually already a epic win05:45
Stskeepsat first there is a need, due to abi differences, but with sufficient glue code, you could leave bionic out of the equation05:45
Stskeepsright now i'm having glibc and bionic side-by-side05:45
jonwilSo basically the idea is to find a way to load android GPU drivers on Mer and have everything Just Work(tm)?05:45
dm8tbrah, ok, still great progress05:45
Stskeepsjonwil: not just an idea, i'm actually doing it05:45
Stskeepsthat successfully runs eglgetprocaddress05:46
Stskeepsi have more exciting examples05:46
_av500_Stskeeps: and on the kernel side? how do you handle gralloc et al?05:47
Stskeeps_av500_: reuse android kernel05:47
Stskeeps_av500_: i'm actually using gralloc in this example05:48
Stskeepsonce you get past the taste of having bionic side by side with glibc in memory, it looks quite interesting05:49
jonwilI wonder how hard it would be to use this same idea to load other binaries? I could see the Galaxy Nexus being the perfect target for a full Linux OS, you would just need to find a way to get the Samsung cell modem libraries to load and write something to talk to them (that or reverse engineer things and write an ofono backend)05:49
Stskeepsjonwil: RIL loading is certainly in my aims05:49
jonwilI bet a lot of people would be happy being able to run full Linux, QT etc on a Nexus device (even better if they can do it on a CDMA Verizon or Sprint Nexus device :)05:50
_av500_Stskeeps: we've been doing bionic + uclibc for years now :)05:50
_av500_well, not in the same binary05:50
_av500_jonwil: you cn run a full linux in parallel easily05:51
jonwilhmmm ok05:51
_av500_google was even so kind to use different paths for binaries and libs05:51
jonwilNever owned an Android device so I didn't know that05:51
Stskeeps_av500_: either way, if you go look at android's window definitions it also becomes easy to utilize wayland if you so wanted05:52
Stskeepsso suddenly you have a large wad of usable wayland on mobile devices05:52
jonwilI assume Android isn't using X but something different?05:52
_av500_in the end they all cook with water :)05:52
_av500_x you need to bridge/tunnel05:52
Stskeepsi'm not going to bother with x support, personally05:52
Stskeepsother crazy people can do that, i have my crazy area05:53
dm8tbrwayland emulates x, doesn't it?05:53
_av500_if you own the system, you can do very hackisch things05:53
Stskeepsdm8tbr: not terribly much05:53
Stskeepsthere's xwayland but.. that's about it05:53
_av500_like switching between android and x framebuffers05:53
dm8tbrah, ok05:53
jonwilif you can get GUI bringup (QT etc) without needing all the X baggage, thats even better05:53
Stskeepsdm8tbr: silly question, do you have a device you can boot with an android kernel, into mer?05:54
_av500_or make the x canvas one android surface or so05:54
Stskeepsi need someone to run a testcase for me05:54
dm8tbr_av500_: I think that's what the whole ubuntu thing does... :)05:54
_av500_or gen7, without X though :)05:54
dm8tbrStskeeps: yes and I can make time for hacking later today05:54
Stskeepsdm8tbr: that'd be good, i know PVR is single-threaded, so05:54
Stskeepsi have a really morbid issue on my touchpad, not only in my test, so05:55
dm8tbrI have an ancient plasma image from april or so05:55
dm8tbrmight need to build something newer05:55
Stskeepsdunno, i just need something that uses android kernel as that's what the gpu drivers will expect :)05:55
Stskeepsi have a omapzoom2 but i can't find a sane android build for it i want to use :P05:56
jonwilThe real trick is making sure that the Android device you choose to buy is one that actually lets you replace the kernel and software on it... :)05:58
_av500_Stskeeps: zoom2, poor you05:58
dm8tbrjonwil: thankfully archos devices are good for that06:10
dm8tbrjonwil: as long as mgmt allows _av500_ to release SDE in time...06:10
jonwilwhat is SDE?06:10
dm8tbroversimplified: their bootloader unlocker (signed)06:11
_av500_(sighed) :)06:11
dm8tbrjonwil: it's a bit as if you'd be flashing NOLO together with MOSLO. you only do it once.06:12
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jonwilLast I heard the Asus eee devices are good for bootloader unlocks too06:21
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Stskeepshello fbostanci06:40
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dm8tbrjonwil: I'm partial to archos. they gave me devices. <306:44
dm8tbrbut even that aside IMHO it's nice hardware and pretty safe to hack06:45
SageI've asked this before, but should -static package depend on -devel?06:46
Sagedepends/always/never? :)06:46
Stskeepsisn't there a mention of this in packaging guidelines06:47
jonwilI just wish more vendors were hacker-friendly and offered unlocked bootloaders06:47
jonwilbut the whole locked-bootloaders stuff is mostly down to carriers06:48
dm8tbrand DRM crap (once again on the rise)06:48
SageStskeeps: I can probably read if it is there.06:48
Sageerr... I can't probably..* :)06:48
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jonwilDRM is not a big issue, I am sure anyone who is going to play with their device would have no problem if a bootloader unlock made DRM protected content stop working06:51
dm8tbrjonwil: you're thinking the wrong way around though. the manufacturers are in bed with carriers and those are in bed with content providers. so it's ZOMG if we allow someone to unlock their device they could do THINGS!06:52
Bostikthe smartest designs I've seen (and one I've advocated myself) used the onboard security HW mechanism to control the DRM parts: certain operations were only available if the entire boot-chain was "known-good" (iow. locked down and crippled, hobbled and raped)06:53
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Bostik--> custom kernel and/or custom environment -> no DRM capability -> hack all you want :)06:54
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jonwilI remember flashing a custom bootloader to my Motorola Z6 and running (IIRC) a self-built kernel on that06:57
jonwilZ6 is pre-Android linux device from moto06:57
jonwillocked down everything06:57
jonwilbut happens to use Linux06:57
SageFun: I want to update telepathy in nemo. Need to update glib2 that breaks qtwebkit (fixed with patch) and qemu-usermode. qemu needs pcre-static so need to add it to pcre and update the package at the same time. :)07:00
StskeepsSage: yay! distribution jenga!07:01
SageFun how things pile up :)07:01
Sagesomething else broke as well but fixed that one already. but anyway. update one -> update 5+ :)07:01
jonwilAt least you dont have to deal with any binary bits that are talking to Telepathy :P07:02
BostikSage: I called a chain like that "fallout" back in 2004 :)07:02
Sagewell, at least it seems that these things are getting easier to fix and handle with time :)07:04
SageStskeeps: ok, next release is again complete rebuild I guess with pcre :)07:05
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jussilbt: is a scary driver... :D07:18
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Stskeepsjussi: try going to yosemite with him07:19
jussiStskeeps: hehe07:19
jussiStskeeps: which car did he have there?07:19
Stskeepsjussi: not a jaguar07:20
jussiStskeeps: hahaha07:20
jussithat damn jag is so fast...07:20
jussiI mustve pissed my pants at least 3 times :P07:20
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Stskeepsmorn Venemo_N907:23
Stskeepsjussi: i've had two life threatening experiences.. one was driving down a romanian mountain in a old broken bus with a driver sms'ing at same time around the turns.. and driving with david in yosemite hills/mountains07:24
Stskeepshe's a good driver, yes, but :P07:24
jussiStskeeps: its doesnt change the scariness factor...07:25
Venemo_N9hi Stskeeps07:26
StskeepsVenemo_N9: so what errors did you get with the mtf stuff?07:27
Venemo_N9various compile errors, and they were different for each branch07:28
Venemo_N9but at the end the 1.1 branch built without error07:28
Stskeepswas it compiling for mer, or other target?07:28
Venemo_N9no, I compiled for fedora at that time07:28
Stskeepsthat may be very challenging07:29
Venemo_N9but I dunno how that code can compile at all anywhere07:29
dm8tbrStskeeps: the other way around was on a rainy dai in JKL? ;)07:29
Stskeepsdm8tbr: not life threatening, just not a happy panda day07:29
StskeepsVenemo_N9: :nod: we patch it a bit in mer07:30
Venemo_N9-wall was turned on, and there were errors like trying to convert a cost pointer to a regular one, and comparing signed and unsigned stuff, whatever.07:31
Stskeepsah, yess..07:31
Stskeepsit's tested on gcc4.4 or gcc4.507:31
Stskeepsgcc4.6 is much more tense07:31
Venemo_N9I didn't even understand how this compiled on harmattan07:31
Stskeepsjust imagine the horrors i had back in the day with the hildon stack07:31
Stskeepsputting it on a modern system07:32
Venemo_N9anyway, it's a huge bloody bloated mess07:32
Venemo_N9yeah hildon was a mess to07:32
Stskeepsqml is much more appealing07:32
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Venemo_N9but you know, I just don't get it. how could they write such crappy code?07:33
Stskeepsyou know how it used to be called DUI?07:33
Stskeepseither way, i think there's some truth to this comment from dominiescommunicate: One big mistake which wasted a lot of engineering power was to not be able to make company wide effort to build one single widget set for mobile platforms for Qt. It stayed being split between meegotouch and orbit which same, dragged speed down, even at some point someone tried to unify them07:36
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arc_matStskeeps: DUI -> Developed Under Influence (of drugs) ?07:42
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Venemo_N9Stskeeps, what is orbit?07:44
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kulvewas it so that the Qt on Mer doesn't use GLES/EGL by default but I had to export something somewhere to get that enabled (nemo is quite sluggish, so I assume it's not using GLES/EGL fully at least)07:46
Venemo_N9anyway, I completely understand why Intel wanted to get rid of mtf07:46
StskeepsVenemo_N9: previously called DirectUI07:47
Stskeepskulve: qt is built for gles/egl at least07:47
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Stskeepskulve: at least mtf is not performing fairly well07:47
Stskeepsnot 100% sure why though07:47
kulveStskeeps: IIRC you mentioned in the spring that I had to enable something to get it into use. E.g. qmlviewer needs -opengl I think07:48
Stskeepswhich wraps it in a qglwidget07:48
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StskeepsSage: i'm going to continue a bit with livecd07:54
SageStskeeps: ok07:56
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StskeepsSage: gah, i keep on loosing this url.. url for your next image?07:57
Venemo_N9Stskeeps, I thought meegotouch was called directui previously07:59
Venemo_N9but. the good news is that we note have a clue about bug 8408:00
StskeepsVenemo_N9: they were -both- called directui08:00
Stskeepswhich is even more complicated08:00
Venemo_N9Stskeeps, srsly? lol.08:00
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Venemo_N9w00t and myself have been investigating the issue, from different directions. at the end we agreed that the 3 symptoms are actually the result of one bug, and that it has to do with window redirection.08:02
Venemo_N9and none of the symptoms are present on harmattan08:02
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Venemo_N9w00t thinks that something is not allright about the overlay window.08:03
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lbtmorning all08:06
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Venemo_N9hi lbt :)08:07
situGood Morning08:07
Venemo_N9Stskeeps, anyway, I'm now convinced that mr08:07
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Venemo_N9Stskeeps, anyway I'm now convinced that mtf needs to be killed with fire08:08
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Venemo_N9mikhas :)08:19
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Stskeepslbt: prerelease please08:20
lbtpre? what did I miss?08:20
dm8tbrlbt: jpoutiai seems to have a problem with his account, didn't get the email or so08:20
lbtdm8tbr: I saw - but ty08:21
dm8tbrgood, thanks08:21
Stskeepslbt: kmod issue08:21
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lbtoh and it appears jussi woke up in a cold sweat ;)08:23
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jussilbt: more than once...08:24
lbtthe flashing blue lights still haunt me...08:26
jussithe memory of lbt doingf over 100mph past the police...08:26
Stskeepsdid they catch him?08:26
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lbtthey were on the wrong side of the dual-carriageway08:28
lbtI mean the right side from my point of view :)08:28
jussiand attending to an accident... I think... we were past too quick to really see: D08:28
Venemo_N9is there someone who can explain to me how  works?08:31
Venemo_N9lol @ swype08:31
lbtyou press the "  " key and a " " appears08:31
Venemo_N9sorry, swype cut off half my sentence08:32
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Venemo_N9what I wanted to ask is, could someone please explain how window redirection works?08:32
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StskeepsSage: er.. mic does the mkinitrd..?09:30
Ionakka<Venemo_N9> what I wanted to ask is, could someone please explain how window redirection works?   <--- compositioning?09:31
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Venemo_N9Ionakka, yes09:31
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VenemoIonakka: can you? :)09:37
IonakkaVenemo_N9, Venemo: things around X aren't that well documented and google is not the best friend to find the existing doc/relevant mailing list discussions o.O09:38
IonakkaVenemo: if you have some specific questions, i _might_ be able to answer09:39
VenemoIonakka: yes, that's my problem exactly09:39
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VenemoI was able to find some clues, but not much. specifically, not enough to debug the bug.09:39
Venemofor a start, I'd like to know what exactly happens when a fullscreen window gets redirected09:40
IonakkaVenemo: the best available answer is in the implementations sources09:42
VenemoIonakka: of what?09:42
Ionakkax composite extension09:42
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Ionakkaalso the composite manager09:42
Ionakkamcompositor is something worth taking a look at09:43
Ionakkadoes and btw use accounts?09:44
Venemono they don't09:44
Stskeepsno, but shares09:44
Stskeepswith merproject.org09:44
VenemoI have taken a look at mcompositor, but I didn't really find a clue.09:44
StskeepsIonakka: we're eventually moving away from community obs too09:44
Stskeepsto loosen the last tie to, as it's in practice a dead project09:45
Stskeepswell, except the idea and dreams live on09:45
Stskeepsand code..09:46
dm8tbrviva la revolucion! :)09:46
Ionakkaos code tends to survive things :309:46
Stskeepsyeah.. i'm still not entirely sure that people understand just how much got open sourced in meego prokect09:47
VenemoIonakka: it seems that when something is drawn on top of a fullscreen window (eg. compositor animations or the status menu), the fullscreen window is drawn incorrectly.09:48
StskeepsVenemo: does the issue appear on n900 too?09:48
Stskeepsthat's probably first indicator09:48
Stskeepsif it doesn't, then it's a problem with manual update of display09:48
VenemoStskeeps: I don't have an N900 to test... :(09:49
Venemodo you?09:49
StskeepsVenemo: i do but i'm busy rest of day :/09:49
Stskeepsthere's good and bad sides to having a day job again ;)09:49
SageStskeeps: ? I think that error was caused by /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.Ckk5Wf: line 1: /sbin/new-kernel-pkg: No such file or directory error above09:49
Sagenew-kernel-pkg is part of grubby stuff09:50
StskeepsSage: ok09:50
IonakkaVenemo: what kind of funky stuff you see?09:50
Ionakkaalso, what kind of hw?09:50
VenemoIonakka: N950.09:50
VenemoIonakka: I see an outdated state of the window in question, or other (mostly already closed) windows09:51
Ionakkahmm... smells like something in backbuffer09:52
Ionakkaor some other buffer confusion09:52
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Ionakkahmm... just came into my mind09:53
Ionakkaif you have direct rendering, compositor might not track your paints09:54
Ionakkai could imagine that compositor has hackbuffer(s) where the application paints while composited09:54
Venemoit's true, but apparently it does not09:55
Ionakkagoes direct rendering and paints directly to screen backbuf09:55
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Ionakkaand when it comes back to composited rendering, compositor shows something before the app has updated it's compositor-sided backbuf09:56
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StskeepsSage: kicked all that seemed sane to kick09:56
Venemoso you're saying that the problem is that the compositor-side back buffer isn't updated properly?09:56
IonakkaVenemo: that was highly speculative09:56
Ionakkaneed to at least check the sources and maybe run things in debugger to see what really is happening09:57
Ionakkathat just smells possible/likely09:57
Venemoit is likely09:58
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Venemowhen I made my window composited, the issue was not present.09:59
Venemo(I looked into mcompositor and found a way to make it composite my window, just as an experiment)09:59
Stskeepskeep in mind our xorg dri driver isn't exactly up to date10:01
VenemoStskeeps: why not? I thought it is.10:08
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StskeepsVenemo: it ties very closely to xorg patches10:09
Ionakkaof the debugging fun that comes if the problem in on xorg side :p10:09
VenemoStskeeps: aren't our drivers at least newer than harmattan's?10:10
Stskeepsnot really10:11
Venemowell then, no surprises.10:14
VenemoStskeeps: what prevents us from upgrading? along with the x server?10:14
Stskeepsx server is too new10:14
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Ionakkatoo new meaning too unstable?10:19
StskeepsIonakka: nah.. meaning, there was dri2 patches that didn't go into upstream10:19
Stskeepsbut is in xorg driver..10:19
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Venemoso, let's patch the new one too10:30
Venemowhat's the big deal?10:33
Venemothe issue probably doesn't even exist in the new versions10:33
Venemoas it obviously doesn't exist on harmattan10:33
Stskeepsi've actually tried patching it and it's not as easy as it sounds10:33
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Stskeepsit's on level of fennec in terms of developer-sanity10:40
Venemoat one occasion, I had the "pleasure" of looking at xorg code...10:40
VenemoI know what you're talking about10:40
Stskeepswayland is much more pleasant in that regard10:40
Stskeepscan't wait until we go there10:40
Venemoso, why don't we?10:40
Ionakkaexisting stuff using x?10:41
Stskeepswhat ionakka said10:41
Venemoaccording to others, qt and even qt-components can easily be patched to work on wayland10:41
Venemoand I think we all agree about mtf.10:41
AardVenemo: I know, but we do have some mtf legacy for now, unfortunately10:42
VenemoI mean, agree not to care about it that much10:42
VenemoAard: indeed we so10:42
VenemoAard: indeed we do10:42
Venemobut, why is it so important to keep around?10:42
Aardit will be phased out, but in a controlled way10:42
StskeepsVenemo: as seen in some failed nokia programmes, throwing out everything isn't a good strategy10:43
Venemoall right :)10:43
AardVenemo: there are still some applications using it, and there are some apis we want to keep to make portability easier. once both of those are resolved mtf will go away10:43
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Stskeepshello samimeri :) welcome to #mer , if you have any questions at any time or about how to contribute, feel free to ask10:44
VenemoAard: I know you probably can't comment, but perhaps you can. didn't the jolla guys experience bug 84 while writing their UX?10:45
Stskeepsnemo or mer10:45
Venemothe one I've been talking about for the past week or so10:46
StskeepsVenemo: i think that happens for everybody using x11-mtf10:46
Sagelbt: new prerelease out yet?10:46
VenemoStskeeps: it isn't related to mtf at all.10:47
StskeepsVenemo: ok, x11-n9xx hw adaptation-mcompositor10:47
VenemoStskeeps: indeed10:47
lbtSage: armv7hl is whizzing past atm10:47
Venemoso, we'll just live with bug 84 then until a brave soul ports that xorg patch?10:47
StskeepsVenemo: or we move to wayland on n9xx10:47
* Aard slaps Stskeeps 10:48
VenemoStskeeps: you already convinced me that it's not a good idea to rush to wayland for salvation10:48
StskeepsVenemo: yup10:49
Stskeepswelcome to my life, catch 2210:49
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Venemolet's patch X.10:52
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Stskeepshey zolkis, good to see you here too again10:53
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Stskeepsoh freenode, how i love thee10:54
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Venemohowever I still don't understand that if the issue is that the compositor's own buffer isn't updated (as Ionakka suggests) then how can this be fixed by upgrading X?10:54
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Venemoand if harmattan ships the same mcompositor version, how come it doesn't have this issue?10:54
StskeepsVenemo: so the issue is probably that it goes from xorg's last picture of the full screen10:54
Stskeepswhich != what has been flipped fullscreen to the screen10:54
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Venemois there a way to tell X, "hey, look at how my fullscreen looks now!" ?10:55
IonakkaVenemo: I wouldn't count on issue getting fixed by X upgrade10:55
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VenemoIonakka: but then, why isn't the bug present on harmattan?10:55
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IonakkaVenemo: no idea10:55
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Venemoall right :)10:56
Venemoso, how do we tell the compositor/X/whatever to update its own buffer of the window?10:56
Ionakkato give any meaningful answer i would need to read composite manager to understand what it's asking exactly from x :p10:56
StskeepsVenemo: because there's a 14k diff file against xorg 1.9.510:56
w00tVenemo: can you please have a little patience?10:56
w00tI will work on it, but I have other things to do right now..10:56
Venemow00t: I just want to understand the thing10:57
Venemono impatience meant :)10:57
w00tVenemo: I've made a short attempt at porting the delta over to take a look, but it doesn't apply cleanly, so I'll need to set a few hours aside tonight to try untangle it10:58
w00tonce that's done, if it fixes it, we get the fun job of trying to figure out what part(s) fixed it10:59
Venemowould be nice if I could help.10:59
Stskeepsi think there's bigger fish to fry at this exact moment11:00
VenemoStskeeps: what do you mean?11:00
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Stskeepsas in, it's an irritating bug, but not one that harms a terribly lot11:00
w00tyou already have, your point about the repaint last night made me get quite a bit closer (as now I'm almost certain the problem is in X)11:00
VenemoStskeeps: what are you suggesting? :)11:01
StskeepsVenemo: unsure, just stating that there's other good things to work on, too :P we call this a rabbithole in mer - it's a thing that you can end up spending a lot of time in but have difficulties getting out of11:02
VenemoStskeeps: I see.11:02
Venemowell, I'll just continue with my qml desktop then.11:02
w00tStskeeps: like tearing? ;)11:03
Sagew00t: you talked about old xorg yesterday. Do you want to try newer xorg version if I build one?11:04
w00tSage: if you want to try that, sure.. I'm trying (well, started trying) a different approach of making us patch-identical to harmattan to see what that does11:04
* Sage check how many patches mer Xorg has11:05
w00tnot many11:05
w00t(compared to harmattan..)11:05
Sagethat problem started to annoy me as well ;)11:05
VenemoStskeeps: do we have something like libsocialweb in mer? are there any viable alternatives to it so far?11:05
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w00twe don't have anything like it, I think11:07
VenemoI would rather not use libsocialweb, because it uses glib.11:08
Venemohowever I'm open to suggestions to look for a Qt alternative11:08
w00twell, you interface with it over dbus, i think11:08
VenemoI know11:09
Venemobut it's not maintained11:09
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w00tit is, it's a part of gnome11:09
w00tlast commit in june11:10
Venemodo you think it would be OK to use it?11:10
w00tnot sure as i don't know the deep technical details of it, just the skinny overview :)11:10
w00tbut it could be worth investigating for sure11:10
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w00tbtw, there is also which could make some form of starting point, but that certainly is unmaintained11:11
w00t.. this is probably more appropriate for #nemomobile now I come to think of it11:11
Venemo---> #nemomobile then11:12
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Sage\o/ glib update patches now in review so now I can get into the telepathy stuff again :D11:13
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Stskeepshello saya11:25
sayaHi :)11:25
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yuntais there an easy way to put nemo on n900, in internal memory (I don't have sd card) ?11:52
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Venemoyunta: I think so. there's a page about this on the wiki.12:04
Venemoanyway, I gotta leave now. have a nice day!12:04
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Stskeepsyunta: it's not a terribly good thing to do it, as you need custom images with bigger swap, too12:05
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Stskeepshello mpeterss :)12:50
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kulveStskeeps: I had to leave for awhile but now back. I can see from the logs that 3d hw is used when I run qmlviewer -opengl and it's not when I don't give the -opengl. With Nemo UI the 3d is not used either13:30
Stskeepskulve: interesting13:30
Stskeepskulve: -graphicssystem opengl ?13:30
kulveis there a global way for that?13:30
StskeepsQT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM or something..13:30
kulveI think it was an env variable to profile or something13:30
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kulvemaybe it was QT_DEFAULT_RUNTIME_SYSTEM13:34
Stskeepsah, that too13:35
kulvequite an improvement :)13:38
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Stskeepsgood :)13:42
Stskeepskulve: could you potentially install lipstick and see how it runs?13:44
kulveI don't have networking, so I need to reflash the whole thing, but yes13:45
Stskeepsthat's a non-mtf homescreen so13:45
kulvehmm.. where do I get that (and how do I start it up)?13:46
w00tkulve: i don't think we have the exact latest packaged.. as venemo had been doing some hacking on it13:48
kulveifconfig shows wlan0 but the GUI doesn't show anything13:48
w00tkulve: repo is at
Stskeeps has it, too, i think13:49
Stskeepsold version13:49
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Stskeepslbt: how's release going?13:52
lbtrelease is finished and update to cobs has started13:52
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lbtwhat was changed?13:56
lbtkmod ?13:56
lbtStskeeps: ^13:56
Stskeepsand repomd-repo-something13:56
lbtrepomd-pattern-builder ?13:57
lbtkulve: what's the blocker for networking?13:59
lbtah, nm - you're on Nemo13:59
kulveno ethernet connector and I don't know what's the problem with wlan13:59
kulvelbt: what should I be on? :)14:00
lbtyeah - if you were building bare Mer then i have some scripts that could help :)14:00
kulvewell, I guess I could use those still?14:00
lbtNemo should handle it - these are more hacks for minimal systems with no UI14:01
* w00t notes that cobs is a bit busy at the moment14:02
* w00t counts 6 copies of libmeegotouch building :-p14:03
w00toh, 8 now14:03
alteregoWell, I guess it's more popular than we thought14:04
leinirew ;)14:06
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kulveStskeeps: lipstick seems to scroll smoothly14:12
Stskeepskulve: ok, good14:12
Stskeepsbut i guess settings is screwed?14:12
lbtmmm ssd and slightly broken perl script -> 1Gb .spec file14:12
kulveStskeeps: what do you mean?14:13
Stskeepslbt: this this git-pkg by chance14:13
Stskeepskulve: well, if settings app run slowly14:13
kulveStskeeps: so it does14:13
lbtauto-fixing .spec for PatchXX. %patch etc14:13
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Stskeepslbt: you gave it linux kernel as a test..?14:14
lbtgood idea...14:14
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vgradepacks for his hols14:45
Stskeepsenjoy :)14:45
vgradelooking forwards to no comute days14:46
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sivangre all14:57
sivanghey :)14:59
lbtFYI updatestorm is done15:00
sivangsounds like it is a good thing that it is done :)15:01
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bigbluehatStskeeps: reading this, thought of you:
bigbluehat"ubiquitous computing"15:08
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sivangStskeeps: do you still have somewhere your original scribbles of ubiqitous computing you discussed with me still in the late MeeGo days?15:13
sivangI would like to re-read it.15:13
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sivangyep, thanks!15:18
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* Stskeeps relaxes after a long day15:24
Venemo_N9Stskeeps, new job?15:26
StskeepsVenemo_N9: for a while now15:26
Venemo_N9Stskeeps, jolla?15:26
* Stskeeps is with Jolla15:26
Venemo_N9ah, I should've guessed15:26
Venemo_N9well, I still have a 3 hour train journey ahead of me15:27
* Venemo_N9 is visiting home15:28
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* Stskeeps is far from his birth place by now15:35
Stskeepsat least 7 hours, flight + train15:35
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Venemo_N9Stskeeps, have you moved to Finland?15:38
Stskeepsthank god no15:38
Stskeepssame location, warsaw, poland15:38
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sivangStskeeps: I enjoyed a cold and rainy july :-p15:40
sivangI was amazed how kind were Warsaw's airport personnel covering up for elal's failure to be on schedule ;)15:41
sivangI've never passed a border control check so fast, faster then EU passport :-p15:41
Venemo_N9Stskeeps, hm, nice that you didn't have to15:43
sivangVenemo_N9: still in Budapest?15:45
Venemo_N9sivang, yeah, although I'm visiting home now15:45
StskeepsVenemo_N9: yeah, it's good to work with modern companies15:45
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sivangVenemo_N9: the new airport is very cool, although it was personneless which was very annoying on the weekend :)15:47
sivangStskeeps: sometime the whole world will understand the telecommuting is the future of job world.15:48
Stskeepssivang: there's big downsides to it though15:49
Stskeepsgoing somewhere on 24 hours notice has happened to me at some point15:49
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sivangStskeeps: indeed, everything has its downsided, but I guess this did not happen too often. Office settings is nice as well given you can reach it easily without 1 hour drive for less then 8 km in boiling hot road :)15:51
sivangStskeeps: awesome tune. I love the pet shop boys.15:52
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sivangso, trying to sort out . I don't see mer's bugzilla has a component for docs , or wiki or so?16:44
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sivangin order to enable lists of bugs that are doc wiki and non coding contributing I think it could be useful to have it16:48
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sivangah I found them O_o16:54
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Stskeepssivang: sounds like a good bug to make17:09
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sivangStskeeps: yes, so we have a Wiki component now as I see, and I'm contemplating if we could use a documentation component, but since we don't have other docs than wiki so far, it might be used only when we have released docs (like the Mer Vendor Manual) etc17:34
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Stskeepsmakes sense17:41
Stskeepsfile a bug against bugzilla17:42
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sivangStskeeps: also, as per bug #433 , I've added a section to 'Contributing' and I'm now scratching to see which wiki areas could use more love so I can list them in a section similar to the bug list in 433 trail.17:45
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Stskeepsfeel free to organise a doc day, too17:45
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sivangStskeeps: k, I'll file a bug about that as well. My hunch (without checking too much the state of docs/wiki in Nemo) that nemo needs that as well, and in nemo, given its nature docs would be different than the reference upstream core Mer is, so I'm thinking the same should apply to nemo bug tracker and doc day as well.17:50
sivangcool, I'll set to record this in bug trackers.17:52
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lbt_awaynb... git-pkg can now make normal+pristine repos from an upstream and existing osc packaging18:00
lbt_awaywill push tomorrow18:00
lbt_away-> tango   o/18:00
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Stskeepswb sivang19:37
sivangStskeeps: accidently killed my irssi ;)19:37
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jonwilreverse engineering stuff is fun :)19:38
jonwileven more so when what you reverse engineered actually works :)19:38
sivangjonwil: what are you re'ing?19:39
jonwilI just reverse engineered wl1251-cal19:39
sivangjonwil: what does it do? dials the gsm modem or ..?19:42
jonwilno its for WiFi on the N90019:43
jonwilit does various initialization things19:43
sivangi see, nice, is it all assembly / c?19:49
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hozmasterwhat section  Product category and branch names  means or it's obsolete ?20:08
* Stskeeps looks20:09
Stskeepsi think that section looks a little weird, let me just query the history20:10
sivangthat could be linked perhaps for the real gory details from "Contribution" /me also curious for its history and age20:10
Stskeepshozmaster: that seems wrong - sometimes in wiki's these things sneak in20:11
Stskeepsi'll go rephrase it a bit20:11
hozmasterok thank i will just ignore it20:11
Stskeepsyep, i'm removing20:11
sivangStskeeps: that wiki page is obsolete completely?20:12
Stskeepsjust that particular section20:13
sivangah , okay :)20:13
sivangI'll link it from 'Contribution' as it is the detailed description of pkg contribution20:13
sivangif not already so.20:13
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ajalkaneAnyone know if these Platform SDK errors are normal or should I do something:
ajalkaneI was doing sdk-upgrade --next20:17
Stskeepsajalkane: yes, sadly perhaps normal.. hang on20:17
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ajalkaneOk thanks20:18
Stskeepsajalkane: request instructions there how to fix it, or figure out how to get rid of the blocking issue through the information there and share it in bug :)20:23
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hozmasterit's possible to upload git changes to obs system?20:29
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Stskeepshozmaster: sure, osc addremove, osc commit20:30
Stskeepsthat really ought to go on there20:30
* Stskeeps files a bug20:30
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ajalkaneStskeeps: Yes, I naively thought that as it's fixed the sdk-upgrade would solve it. But apparently it's coming in later SDK, so as I couldn't see immediately what to modify I'll ask there.20:31
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Stskeepswb phaeron20:31
phaeronStskeeps: found a new restaurant with very nice steaks :D20:34
Stskeepsphaeron: ooh, whereabouts?20:34
sivangI was about to go to sleep , now for real (before my tiredness gets to me ;) - good night all!20:35
sivanghey phaeron ;) g'night :)20:35
phaeronStskeeps: near (helsinki) "wtc"20:35
phaeronsivang: hey , good night :)20:35
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ajalkanevery good steaks you say, now I'm interested (assuming they're big too). What was it?20:39
phaeronmorrison's (spelling?)20:40
ajalkanephaeron: ah yes, that's what I suspected20:40
ajalkaneJust a month ago I wanted to go with my wife there, as it's been at least 3 years since I last went and remembered liking it. But the damn place wasn't open :-E20:40
phaeronit's alive and kicking now :)20:41
ajalkaneIt was alive then also, but we were too early. The waitresses were only smoking cigarettes near the door :). But good to hear it's still good, will have to try again later.20:42
Stskeepssounds good20:43
Stskeepsphaeron: we shall go there next time we meet?20:51
ajalkanePage says that first submit fix, then mark bug in bugzilla as fixed. An e-mail referenced from the same page seems to say you should put the bug in Buzilla as "Fixed" before sending the fix. Which one is correct? (I can correct the wiki if the e-mail, and my interpretation of it is correct)20:52
phaeronStskeeps: we can plan that sure :)20:52
Stskeepsajalkane: hmmm20:53
Stskeepsphaeron: does nemo process do anything about this atm?20:53
phaeronStskeeps: not yet. there is ability to do / check for both20:55
Stskeepsajalkane: at the moment it doesn't really matter20:55
phaeronusually the recommendation is developer sets resolved fixed , sends SR referencing the bug , process checks the bug is in that state20:56
ajalkaneOk... I'm going to add at least a clarification to the Wiki, but first a stupid question... what's "SR" in this context?20:56
Stskeepsajalkane: submit request20:57
phaeronsubmit request , or promotion20:57
Stskeepsif there's abbreviations not explained, feel free to make wiki/Dictionary :)20:58
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ajalkaneIf the recommendation is to first mark as fixed and then submit the SR, then I will just switch the order in the wiki a bit. Seems like that would be the "correct" way regarding any possible changes in future, and would also solve any possible confusions with the referenced e-mail20:59
ajalkaneStskeeps: The e-mail and this IRC conversation was the first I have seen SR mentioned, so the Wikis themselves are relatively clean from this jargon.21:00
StskeepsSR is a term quite often used in meego.com21:01
Stskeepsintel's big on abbreviations :)21:01
ajalkaneI might have seen it earlier, it's just so overloaded term to me as it's frequently used in my workplace in different context21:03
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Venemoepic fail on my part21:11
Venemogot my raspberry pi21:11
Venemoforgot to get an SD card21:11
Stskeepsdon't you have a sd card from n800 days? :P21:12
Venemonope, I joined at the N900 days and didn't feel the need of an SD card at that time21:13
Stskeepsah ok21:13
Venemoand if that wasn't enough, I don't have an HDMI monitor either21:13
Venemoyep, there's an old TV somewhere :)21:14
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Venemoseems that I'll have to postpone setting up my Pi for tomorrow22:06
Venemoobviously I will want to run Mer on it22:06
Venemowill I be able to set it up into the same Mer SDK installation that I'm using for Nemo now?22:07
alteregoVenemo: sure.22:13
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Venemoawesome :)22:28
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alteregoWow, nemo actually seems to see my Nokia wired headset.22:40
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alteregoThere's some work to be done, but I actually think I can get it to work :D22:41
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alteregoohmd isn't happy about it.22:44
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alteregoSo, need a load keys configuration22:51
Aardalterego: see query :p22:51
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