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| rsadhu | good morning | 04:09 |
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| rsadhu | to all | 04:09 |
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| Stskeeps | lpotter: sorry to hear about brisbane offices | 05:34 |
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| timoph | morning | 06:35 |
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| Stskeeps | morn timoph :) | 06:36 |
| timoph | hmmh. couldn't find a bug for the black screen with terminal on a virtual machine | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | file, please | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's a llvmpipe issue | 06:41 |
| timoph | actually, is that mer or nemo | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | .. well, technically mer | 06:41 |
| * timoph files | 06:41 | |
| timoph | no component for llvmpipe under core | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | mesa | 06:44 |
| timoph | ah | 06:44 |
| timoph | :) | 06:44 |
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| timoph | too bad I don't have it running now so can't add any debug info to the bug | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | it;'s fine | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is that ximage backend doesn't allow native buffers | 06:48 |
| timoph | 501 | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 06:49 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: prerelease please | 07:00 |
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| jussi | is nemo dual boot with harmattan on n9 impossible? | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: no, i do that | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | it's just warranty-voiding | 07:03 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: right, guess Im just looking in the wrong place on the wiki... | 07:03 |
| * jussi runs off to re-read the wiki | 07:03 | |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | those instructions don't seem right | 07:04 |
| jussi | yeah, seems like something is missing | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | ah, no | 07:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Single Boot by Loading The Kernel | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | under Nokia N9 section | 07:05 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK | 07:05 |
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| jussi | Stskeeps: so that allow me to dual boot? :Confuzzled: | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: yes, but you have to use a pc to do it | 07:08 |
| jussi | every boot? | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: btw, i assume you're UNIX-y with the account enablements, that you don't respond when they're enabled | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: yes, welcome to aegis hell | 07:09 |
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| jussi | I dont get it | 07:10 |
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| Stskeeps | jussi: n9 doesn't allow sane dual booting that allows a secure harmattan to co-exist | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | due to security framework | 07:10 |
| jussi | whats the so major difference between n950 and n9... :/ | 07:10 |
| jussi | oh | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | different bootloaders and one of them is a commercial product | 07:11 |
| jussi | bloody helll nokia. | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | i consider the warranty message a sign of pride | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:11 |
| jussi | lol | 07:11 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: just got queried about one of the accounts, hozmaster, so if you could just review my /msg tab :) | 07:11 |
| timoph | yep. "achievement unlocked" | 07:11 |
| jussi | hrm... | 07:11 |
| jussi | I think Ill go single persistent boot :/ | 07:11 |
| jussi | I can always go back to Harmattan, right? | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | with a full reflash, i think | 07:12 |
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| jussi | ok, good | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | warranty warning is pretty permanent though | 07:15 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: just did | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: alright | 07:17 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yep - just doing the accounts whenever you msg | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:18 |
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| phaeron | morning | 07:20 |
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| jussi | Stskeeps: do you know which variant the finnish one is? I cant find it in the list... | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: check your sim card slot | 07:23 |
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| Stskeeps | morn phaeron :) | 07:24 |
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| jussi | Stskeeps: yes, it says rm-696, but this list from the perl script provided, they are all rm-696, but with countries listed after. | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: no, there's a id number on the slot, afaik | 07:25 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: yes, the FCC ID, however, thats not included on mylist :/ | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | no, not that one either :P | 07:26 |
| * Stskeeps isn't going to take off the cover of his n9 right now.. but it's on the sd card slot | 07:26 | |
| Stskeeps | er, sim | 07:26 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: when ever the next mer release is done and can be released what would you think about releasing release after that quickly? We have lots of commits in the review already that could make new release in a week or so for example? | 07:27 |
| jussi | ok, theres another number nearby | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i don't mind a snapshot no | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: under "Made in finland" | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | or wherever it is made | 07:27 |
| jussi | but, still, that doesnt correlate to anything like what this list gives | 07:27 |
| * jussi checks the SW about thing... | 07:28 | |
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| Sage | lbt: shouldn't sdk-kickstarter-configs require mer-kickstarter-configs ? | 07:32 |
| jussi | sigh | 07:34 |
| jussi | I still am very unsure which one to choose... there is no Finnish ones here! :/ | 07:35 |
| jussi | I have a list that looks like: | 07:35 |
| jussi | 226. RM-696 NDT COSTA RICA MAGENTA 16GB | 07:35 |
| jussi | 227. RM-696 NDT NORTH EUROPE BLACK 64GB | 07:35 |
| jussi | 228. RM-696 NDT BANGLADESH BLACK 64GB | 07:35 |
| jussi | 229. RM-696 NDT LTA MAGENTA 16GB | 07:35 |
| jussi | generated by this perl script... | 07:36 |
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| dm8tbr | if in doubt use 0 | 07:36 |
| jussi | is it incredibly important which one? or can I just choose swedish... :P | 07:37 |
| jussi | dm8tbr: 0 is a benelux 64gb :( | 07:37 |
| dm8tbr | oic | 07:37 |
| dm8tbr | hrm | 07:37 |
| jukkaeklund | jussi, hold on a sec I'll check | 07:38 |
| Sage | jussi: pick ROW (Rest of the world) that matches your color and memory size. | 07:38 |
| Sage | that what I did at least :) | 07:38 |
| phako | 16 is 001 | 07:39 |
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| jussi | Sage: ok, so I guess its this one: 113. RM-696 NDT 16GB ROW MAGENTA | 07:39 |
| jussi | Ill wait for jukkaeklund to comeback though | 07:40 |
| Sage | jussi: I think that would do. | 07:41 |
| jukkaeklund | jussi, whats the product code? | 07:41 |
| jussi | 059k1f7 | 07:42 |
| jukkaeklund | same here | 07:43 |
| jussi | jukkaeklund: so what Sage says is correct then? | 07:43 |
| jukkaeklund | you might want the emmc content to be northern europe | 07:43 |
| jukkaeklund | core is same | 07:43 |
| jussi | Im installing nemo, so I guess its not such a big deal atm | 07:44 |
| jukkaeklund | no :) | 07:44 |
| jukkaeklund | but the one correct is NORTH EUROPE MAGENTA 16GB | 07:45 |
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| jussi | ahh, excellent, thank you | 07:47 |
| lbt | Sage: yes, it does now | 07:49 |
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| Sage | where is mer-kickstarter git upstream atm. need to checkthe code and patch it. | 07:57 |
| Sage | Trying to move nemo to use that finally. | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: so, prerelease kicked off? | 08:06 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps, lbt: mer-kickstarter git tree what is the one atm.? | 08:10 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: prerelease is running | 08:37 |
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| lbt | Sage: https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs | 08:38 |
| Sage | lbt: _mer-kickstarter_ | 08:39 |
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| * Sage gives lbt coffee | 08:39 | |
| lbt | ah, I'm working on sdk-kickstarter now so ... :) | 08:39 |
| lbt | Denise is being slow with coffee... tut tut | 08:40 |
| lbt | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/mer-kickstarter-configs.git;a=summary | 08:40 |
| * Sage throws lbt with coffee mug | 08:40 | |
| * Sage ponders if lbt notes what he did wrong again ;) | 08:40 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage: fairly sure i'm having deja vu on this conversation | 08:41 |
| Sage | lbt: Hint: remove -config from your mind :D | 08:41 |
| Sage | or -configs | 08:41 |
| lbt | oh fu | 08:41 |
| Sage | like https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/kickstarter but mer one :) | 08:42 |
| lbt | isn't mer-kickstarter now sage-kickstarter | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i'm fairly sure we discussed this before | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: log.06-26-2012:[08:47:25]<Stskeeps> Sage_: sages-kickstarter @ d4784c472f1adc9d05db897e9d5c108a0e83ef71 + http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/stskeeps-kickstarter-patches.1 = mer-kickstarter 0.13 | 08:43 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: so there is no upstream for it? | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: you're the upstream | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:43 |
| Sage | I knew that but I though that there was git tree for mer-kickstarter :) | 08:43 |
| * lbt passes sage coffee and grins | 08:43 | |
| * Sage :headdesk: | 08:44 | |
| Sage | lbt: sry about that :) | 08:44 |
| Sage | too early in the morning it seems | 08:44 |
| lbt | *g* np.... makes me glad I'm not the only one :) | 08:44 |
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| lbt | plus sed is now eating the internet | 08:45 |
| lbt | Sage: that will move to mer's git mer-tools/ | 08:45 |
| lbt | if you want to migrate anything you're managing there that's good by me | 08:46 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: actually sages-kickstarter+that patch != mer-kickstarter there is no patch to rename the stuff. ;) | 08:46 |
| Sage | it would still be called kickstarter after the patch ;) | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i'm fairly sure i gave you the entire tarball of my git, too | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:51 |
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| lbt | afk for a bit | 09:15 |
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| wellu | hi | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hello wellu :) welcome to #mer. if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time | 09:25 |
| wellu | I'm trying to find some nemomobile related source code. | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | alright, #nemomobile also exists for this | 09:25 |
| wellu | ..ah.. seems that I'm bit confused with all the projects. | 09:26 |
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| Stskeeps | wellu: yeah, Mer is Core, doesn't contain UI or hardware adaptations. Nemo is a handset UI project on top of Mer :) | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | hello vesse :) welcome to #mer. if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: if you have time, can you enable i486 build for all nemo repos? | 09:41 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: well, can't recall the git tarball :) | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok, let me find it.. | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/sages-kickstarter-plus-mer-patches.tar.gz | 09:46 |
| Sage | thx | 09:46 |
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| Stskeeps | hello hozmaster :) welcome to #mer. if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: a continuing report is people that can't have things working on their non-ssse3 machines, so | 09:47 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: pah, you didn't commit to the tree. Well I can do it if that is ok fo ryou. | 09:47 |
| hozmaster | hello, thanks | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: yes | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: it's a mess and JFDI'ed, agreed | 09:48 |
| Sage | I'll try to get it usable for nemo today | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good | 09:48 |
| hozmaster | I do have problem with osc ls | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | the idea is the lego block approach where we can add in ui or hw adaptations | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | hozmaster: osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com ls works better? | 09:48 |
| hozmaster | credentials are not valid | 09:48 |
| hozmaster | i will try | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | do they work on https://build.meego.com ? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | errr | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | https://build.pub.meego.com i mean | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | sorry about that :) | 09:49 |
| hozmaster | api.pub.meego.com did work | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | can you point me to the documentation where it said osc ls? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | it's a problem others told before | 09:51 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: i486 enabled, let me know if something is missing | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: thank you | 09:52 |
| hozmaster | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | alright, i'll review and fix | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | hozmaster: fixed, thanks for reporting | 09:55 |
| hozmaster | np | 09:56 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: funny thing kickstarter is developed again in meego git | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: well, they're using it for tizen, i think | 10:11 |
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| jukkaeklund | kickstarter is hot word nowadays :p | 10:19 |
| dm8tbr | hehe, overloaded word | 10:20 |
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| Sage | did anyone did any sanity checks for the kickstarter? ;) | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | it works for sdk | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:43 |
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| Sage | hehe | 10:44 |
| Sage | lbt: I hope you are not working on kickstarter atm. as I need to fix couple of things to get it a bit more usable with larger config base. | 10:45 |
| Sage | good thing is that I can actually do the repository stuff with it without the -r repos.yaml thingy | 10:45 |
| Sage | so welldone with the Inherit stuff | 10:45 |
| Sage | needs a bit more love but I think this is quite good | 10:46 |
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| Sage | for example it should search the PostScripts NoChrootScripts Part etc. from ExternalConfig path's | 10:49 |
| Sage | currently it searches them only from cwd | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:50 |
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| Sage | \o/ first nemo .ks file done with mer-kickstarter :) | 10:58 |
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| Stskeeps | woo | 10:59 |
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| Sage | now if it only would look the same everything would be ok :D | 11:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: it wouldn't be fun if things worked the frist time | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | first | 11:06 |
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| Sage | ok, so only repo urls need love for the first image anymore | 11:15 |
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| Stskeeps | who was it that looked into MADDE? | 11:21 |
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| Sage | what is the git tree for mer-kickstarter-configs? | 11:31 |
| rsadhu | how to run make for building up some project ? | 11:31 |
| rsadhu | i did sb2 -t mer-core make ? | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | rsadhu: usually we use osc build if we can, but sb2 -t somesb2target make should work too | 11:32 |
| rsadhu | i have setup sdk properly | 11:33 |
| kallaballa | Sage: isn't it review.merproject.org:29418/mer-core/mer-kickstarter-configs.git? | 11:33 |
| * Stskeeps thinks kallaballa is right | 11:33 | |
| rsadhu | and then set target mer-core , now i wanted to build yasm which was missing component | 11:34 |
| rsadhu | i ran sb2 ./configure | 11:34 |
| rsadhu | which works fine | 11:34 |
| Sage | kallaballa: ah, true | 11:34 |
| rsadhu | but sb2 -t mer-core make | 11:34 |
| rsadhu | nothing happening | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | rsadhu: zypper in make | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | in the sdk | 11:34 |
| rsadhu | ok | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | and file a bug please | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | that 'make' doesn't work in sb2 if make is absent in the sdk | 11:35 |
| rsadhu | @stskeeps : right ! thanks , now compiling | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | hey mdfe_ :) | 12:01 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: hi :) | 12:04 |
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| Venemo | what is the zypper counterpart of yumdownloader? | 12:18 |
| E-P | good afternoon | 12:26 |
| lbt | back now | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | wb lbt | 12:29 |
| lbt | prerelease looks good - importing to cobs | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron1: did you have a vm that can build against a mer release alone? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | and smoke test | 12:35 |
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| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: yeah the minimal vm , but it is really minimal | 12:37 |
| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: how much smoke do you have in mind :) | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron1: just to try out prerelease | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120719.0.3/ | 12:38 |
| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: ok will do , I'll probably have feedback tonight | 12:39 |
| phaeron1 | ok ? | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 12:39 |
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| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started | 12:41 |
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| lbt | using the HW adaptations for -next would be close | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:42 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: lbt: https://meego.gitorious.org/~sage/meego-developer-tools/sages-kickstarter/commits/master and https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/image-configurations/trees/master/nemo-kickstarter-configs | 13:00 |
| Sage | comments welcome | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok, should be QA'ed with the sdk | 13:03 |
| Sage | well, still needs some more cleanups | 13:04 |
| Sage | the nemo configs at least | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: so, n900/n950/n9 and x86 validation tomorrow morning? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | prerelease getting imported atm | 13:05 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: sure | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | then we perhaps finally can get this release out.. | 13:06 |
| Sage | hehe | 13:08 |
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| Sage | oh, kickstarter doesn't support inherit in multiple levels | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | it probably could but.. | 13:31 |
| Sage | just not done or problem with it in general? | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | just not done and there was some weird issue about duplicate symbols or something.. | 13:32 |
| Sage | ok well I want to use this today so avoiding that for now. | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:33 |
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| Sage | uh. makes it hard actually to collect this without that :/ | 13:38 |
| E-P | kyyberi: can you participate tomorrow's qa meeting? I was planning to have a topic about dashboard | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: what are you trying to do? | 13:44 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: well, I wanted to split stuff a bit and at the same time use the mer stuff as base. | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:47 |
| Sage | e.g., having "Nemo Handset N900" That inherits "Adaptation N900" which then "Mer armv7 hardfp" | 13:48 |
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| Stskeeps | prerelease imported | 13:56 |
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| alterego | lbt: how's your "mer-sdk-chroot exec" implementation coming along? | 14:01 |
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| lbt | alterego: all done | 14:13 |
| lbt | just tweaked yours a little bit | 14:13 |
| alterego | Cool :) | 14:20 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4371777 | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | progress :) | 14:24 |
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| kyyberi | E-P: I'll try | 15:29 |
| kyyberi | now that I think about it more thoroughly, should be possible | 15:31 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps, lbt: What do you think if I would rename the Baseline to Release in kickstarter? | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 16:02 |
| lbt | ditto | 16:02 |
| lbt | what's the git repo you're using sage? I'll clone it | 16:03 |
| lbt | I think I want to talk about named variables - but I don't recall the terminology | 16:03 |
| Sage | lbt: https://gitorious.org/~sage/meego-developer-tools/sages-kickstarter | 16:04 |
| Sage | r['Url'] = r['Url'].replace("@RELEASE@", meta['Baseline']) | 16:04 |
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| lbt | got git repo from backlog | 16:04 |
| Sage | ^ that is why I want to rename it :) | 16:04 |
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| Sage | Baseline doesn't say anything and it relaces the RELEASE in URL :) | 16:05 |
| lbt | yeah - I hate @RELEASE@ being special cased | 16:05 |
| lbt | I'd like to support something like -D syntax for cc | 16:06 |
| slaine | udev rules can really chaff my aXX | 16:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: if we can replace with some kind of macro mechanism maybe | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | @MERVERSION@ | 16:09 |
| Sage | ? | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | the baseline thing | 16:10 |
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| E-P | kyyberi: great | 16:10 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: Only thing that baseline does is to subsitute that value in URL and add extra directory to outputdir | 16:10 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: so I don't see any point hardcoding it to MERVERSION as when used in nemo it should be NEMOVERSION for exapmle | 16:11 |
| lbt | dropped | 16:11 |
| lbt | yeah - I hate @RELEASE@ being special cased | 16:11 |
| lbt | I'd like to support something like -D syntax for cc | 16:11 |
| lbt | Sage: wouldn't you like to have NemoRelease & MerRelease | 16:11 |
| lbt | ie @NemoRelease@ & @MerRelease@ | 16:11 |
| lbt | not just @RELEASE@ | 16:11 |
| Sage | I wouldn't | 16:11 |
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| Sage | I want to have like http://pastie.org/4372361 | 16:13 |
| lbt | OK | 16:13 |
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| Sage | so not hardcoding anything like that there let the vendor decide what he wants to use | 16:13 |
| lbt | that's ~ what I said with -D | 16:13 |
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| lbt | and you do need 2 values for VERSION | 16:14 |
| Sage | lbt: heh, well I though you meant cmdline :) | 16:14 |
| Sage | lbt: why 2? | 16:14 |
| lbt | well, don't mind how | 16:14 |
| lbt | 2 because the Mer release identifier for any Mer repo != the nemo release identifier | 16:15 |
| Sage | vendor has release X: that contains Mer releasy Y, hw adaptation Z and vendor stuff V. And they want to call it Release X and move all the stuff under that one dir. | 16:16 |
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| lbt | so a Nemo release will do a direcory copy of Mer /releases? | 16:16 |
| Sage | actually doesn't matter as with the .yaml thingy modifiable so vendor can decide | 16:16 |
| Sage | lbt: we Nemo doesn't want to do that, but other vendors might | 16:17 |
| lbt | right ... but we should support sharing the Mer release http://releases.merproject.org/releases/ | 16:17 |
| lbt | but your solution allows that | 16:17 |
| lbt | which is fine | 16:17 |
| Sage | also noted that mer or sdk doesn't seem to use baseline atm. so removal is ok? | 16:20 |
| Sage | I don't think anything uses it even nemo doesn't | 16:21 |
| Sage | or well, does but not in the purpose it was intended :) | 16:21 |
| lbt | also @BUILD_ID@ | 16:25 |
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| lbt | Sage: https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs/blob/pkg-mer/00sdk.yaml#L8 | 16:26 |
| E-P | Sage: kernel-adapation-pc failed to compile for i486-next | 16:28 |
| Sage | E-P: known I have fix but it breaks on -latest so haven't submitted | 16:28 |
| Sage | E-P: see https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Amer:x86-fix | 16:28 |
| E-P | Sage: ok, I can use that one for testing | 16:29 |
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| Sage | lbt: what do you think RepositoryURLVariables: key that is list of value;key pairs? | 16:41 |
| Sage | err.. key;value | 16:41 |
| Sage | do we add automatically @ marks to there like @key@ or do we allow user to define his own stuff? | 16:42 |
| lbt | so when are they expanded? | 16:44 |
| Sage | when .ks files are created | 16:44 |
| lbt | BUILD_ID is changed at mic time | 16:44 |
| lbt | and that is @BUILD_ID@ | 16:45 |
| Sage | well if vendor wants to change it in kickstarter he can or leave it to URL's | 16:45 |
| Sage | it is the beauty of it vendor can choose what to do ;) | 16:45 |
| lbt | right - but should we have something for mic and something for yaml | 16:45 |
| Sage | I don't get that. | 16:46 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs/blob/pkg-mer/00sdk.yaml#L23 | 16:46 |
| Sage | lbt: and? | 16:47 |
| lbt | visual inspection does not tell you if @BUILD_ID@ is a mic-time expanded value or a yaml-time | 16:47 |
| Sage | personally I don't want mic to do any substitutions actually. Easier for all if those are done in .ks time and just create separate .ks for each. | 16:47 |
| Sage | Actually we should not try to have on universal .ks file for every release because there can be changes. Thus I don't see the actual need for it either. | 16:48 |
| Sage | .ks file follows the release and is released with release so why would you need variable there for mic runtime? | 16:49 |
| lbt | OK, but having said that - mic *does* do @BUILD_ID@ ... and upstream doesn't use kickstarter afaik | 16:49 |
| lbt | so if we use something other than @VAR@ then it seems cleaner | 16:50 |
| Sage | lets say that user can decide what is the syntax for his variables it can be @VAR@ or #VAR# or just VAR | 16:50 |
| lbt | these files are run through cheetah - so maybe use that syntax and provide a populated key/value pair? | 16:51 |
| Sage | anyway same user creates the .yaml that has repos that creates that variable list | 16:51 |
| lbt | don't get that | 16:53 |
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| lbt | OK - it certainly seems like we're producing ,ks from template fragments and also want paramerisation | 16:54 |
| lbt | eg I want to build using MER_RELEASE=mer-next | 16:54 |
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| lbt | So I want the config name/value pair to be runtime variable and the yaml Configurations to be in the release | 16:56 |
| Sage | lbt: http://pastie.org/4372594 | 16:56 |
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| lbt | how does that work in multiple Configurations? | 17:01 |
| Sage | Well you can define that for each config separately. if wanted. let me edit it a bit | 17:01 |
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| lbt | I'm thinking the common usecase is to vary the release(s) you're using | 17:03 |
| lbt | and to use configurations to produce .ks files for a set number of variations with a certaint 'version' | 17:04 |
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| lbt | eg https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs/blob/pkg-mer/00sdk.yaml#L150 | 17:04 |
| Sage | refresh | 17:04 |
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| Sage | lbt: I can see what you mean with the vary the release(s) | 17:08 |
| lbt | OK - and tbh I'd rather see discrete repos in that particular case | 17:09 |
| lbt | in varying the release I want to point mic at a pre-release too | 17:10 |
| Sage | well, that was only an example if someone wants to use it like that :) | 17:11 |
| lbt | OK - just checking | 17:11 |
| lbt | (I hate when someone picks at the example too) | 17:11 |
| Sage | that is ok :) | 17:12 |
| lbt | so I think we should decide if we're building finalised kickstarts or if mic gets to modify them (@BUILD_ID@) | 17:13 |
| Sage | personally I would like to see finalised kickstarts | 17:13 |
| lbt | if they're finalised then I think we need some kind of commandline or supplementary key/value set | 17:13 |
| lbt | so I can say "build me a set using these values" and "build another set using these values" | 17:14 |
| Sage | letting mic to handle that all makes it a mess in code wise. | 17:14 |
| Sage | lbt: sounds nice. | 17:14 |
| lbt | yep - agreed (although kinda thinking about IMG too) | 17:14 |
| lbt | IMG server takes a .ks and a value for @BUILD_ID@ | 17:15 |
| Sage | so if there would be -DKey=Value for cmdline you would be happy? :) | 17:15 |
| lbt | so ... keep in mind | 17:15 |
| Sage | I want to have the .yaml there as well as I think some want that as well. | 17:15 |
| lbt | I think I'd prefer a config file | 17:15 |
| lbt | just not embedded in the master .yaml | 17:15 |
| Sage | well, config file sounds better indeed | 17:15 |
| lbt | so master yaml (which includes fragments from vendor+Mer) plus config (to define specific release) => set of ks files for a set of devices | 17:16 |
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| Sage | sounds good. I can agree with that | 17:17 |
| lbt | neat... wfm ... we may need to modify IMG to use config - but that fits really well with BOSS | 17:17 |
| lbt | and to use mic+kickstarter instead of mic | 17:18 |
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| phaeron1 | that's separate | 17:18 |
| lbt | agreed | 17:18 |
| lbt | OK ... the other complete PITA is how inheritance fails to work | 17:18 |
| lbt | it's too blunt | 17:18 |
| lbt | it needs to overlay rather than wipe/replace | 17:19 |
| phaeron1 | usually kickstarter builds kickstarts in obs , and there's a participant that looks for the binary rpms and extracts the kickstarts from there | 17:19 |
| phaeron1 | and feeds them to imager | 17:19 |
| lbt | phaeron1: yes - we're saying that ks won't be built in obs anymore | 17:20 |
| Sage | well the inheritance is another story. Lets stay on this topic for now :D | 17:20 |
| lbt | Sage: OK | 17:20 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: why! | 17:20 |
| Sage | lbt: well, I don't see why this wouldn't allow building kickstarts in OBS as well still. | 17:20 |
| lbt | OK, OBS can run any code and do anything :) ... so you still can do that | 17:21 |
| lbt | but | 17:21 |
| phaeron1 | storing the configs in obs and building in OBS and making it follow the promotion process so we can test it as well sounds like the right thing | 17:21 |
| lbt | what I meant was that kickstarter produces finalised .ks files | 17:21 |
| phaeron1 | storing in git | 17:21 |
| lbt | well, yes and no | 17:22 |
| lbt | sage and I just agreed that kickstarter produces finalised .ks files | 17:22 |
| lbt | which means they have hardcoded repos in them | 17:23 |
| lbt | that won't work in OBS | 17:23 |
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| phaeron1 | I am half thinking so I can't promise to come up with coherent arguments :D | 17:25 |
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| lbt | Sage: this is all a bitch when we need to use OBS repos | 17:26 |
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| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: ping | 18:23 |
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| Estel_ | Stskeeps, little question, if you don't mind, about Mer on N9/50. | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | Estel_: ask away | 18:32 |
| Estel_ | Under harmattan, even with open kernel, device is still semi-closed, as open kernel already comes into world closed down by hardware trustedcomputing things | 18:33 |
| * lpotter blinks | 18:33 | |
| Estel_ | like CAL | 18:33 |
| Estel_ | how Mer handle that? | 18:33 |
| Estel_ | it's closed for Mer too? | 18:33 |
| Estel_ | or somehow Mer goes around such closed things (aegis legacy in hardware) | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | Estel_: i think CAL is read-only to us | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | but i've never seen errors from any of our hw adaptation regarding it | 18:34 |
| Estel_ | I see, so probably other closed elements too = same cons as with open-kernel and everything aegis-free... | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 18:34 |
| * Estel_ nods | 18:34 | |
| Estel_ | so no things like locking device? | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | the n9/n950 hw adaptation could have been much better if feb11 hadn't happened | 18:34 |
| Estel_ | (as in locking with password) | 18:34 |
| Estel_ | yea, I'm aware of that | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | we don't even have aegis activated in the kernel and i don't believe you can use mer anyway with a lock code on device | 18:34 |
| Estel_ | feb11 is somehow mentioned like 11.09 | 18:35 |
| Estel_ | so proper way is to disable lock code all-together before wipping out harm and installing Mer | 18:35 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 18:35 |
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| hozmaster | what are rules for email's in the git commit and changes file? | 19:20 |
| hozmaster | is there have enter valid emails to git commits ? | 19:20 |
| hozmaster | I htink that there quite permants | 19:21 |
| lbt | hozmaster: yes, they should be a real email address. You're expected to sign-off on commits so that's quite important | 19:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hello kallesintonen :) | 19:43 |
| kallesintonen | Good evening :) | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | kallesintonen: good evening and welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer, or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :) | 19:43 |
| kallesintonen | Thanks a lot :) Just discovering for the moment and doing after :) | 19:44 |
| kallesintonen | Jolla will have mer based products right ? | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | right | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | well, let's say product just to be safe, before the tabloids arrive | 19:45 |
| kallesintonen | yes | 19:45 |
| kallesintonen | what im interested especially is to know to which market are they going to focus, any idea about that | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know, we just do open source core here :) | 19:46 |
| kallesintonen | im not looking for high-end expensive devices | 19:46 |
| kallesintonen | the base :) | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | #jollamobile for unofficial discussion, but you're unlikely to find more info than what's on twitter and press releases/interviews | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | yep, shared between many different companies | 19:46 |
| kallesintonen | gives more power to you when this kind of projects are launched :) | 19:47 |
| kallesintonen | tabloid ? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | you know, flashy magazines, gossip, etc :) | 19:48 |
| kallesintonen | you should be from the UK because its the only place tabloids are really used :D | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, nah, just picking up words from irc :) | 19:50 |
| kallesintonen | hmm i pointed wrong then :) | 19:51 |
| kallesintonen | where are you located ? | 19:51 |
| kallesintonen | :) | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | poland, though from denmark | 19:52 |
| kallesintonen | always cool the open-source projects, all kind of nice people from all around :) | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:54 |
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| kallesintonen | all right i start to read the SDK specs and will come back later | 19:56 |
| kallesintonen | have nice evening :) | 19:56 |
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| kallesintonen | iltaa suomalaisille :) | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | seeyou | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | wb phaeron | 19:59 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: thanks. was asking: do we have any test assets for the smoke test ? | 20:01 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: and which ks do you want to test | 20:01 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: well, at the moment 'does it boot' | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | is a good start | 20:02 |
| phaeron | :( | 20:02 |
| phaeron | didn't E-P have some basic tests packages ? | 20:02 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, he had some blts-x11 ones | 20:02 |
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| timoph | do we already have a list of tests needed defined? iirc E-P was working on that | 20:04 |
| timoph | would be easier to see what's needed and contribute | 20:04 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 21:40 |
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