Tuesday, 2012-07-31

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rsadhugood morning to all03:29
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Stskeepsmorn phaeron :)05:00
phaeronlbt: regarding SR#5351 , I looked through the code diff , and I feel some changes might cause issues.05:01
phaeronlbt: if the distro name is not one of a hardcoded list it will revert to bootstrap mode, and to create a bootstrap it will use a package group called tizen-bootstrap05:02
phaeronnot sure if we changed mer's distro name from MeeGo yet05:02
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Stskeepskyyberi: how's meetmer going?05:10
* Stskeeps ponders why pth started breaking all of a sudden05:15
jonwilstskeeps: Did you end up punting the gst-nokia-camera stuff (the stuff about finding the source that matches the posted binaries) to the right person?05:16
Stskeepsjonwil: i'm not entirely sure i was expected to, i'm not involved with nokia in any way anymore05:17
Stskeepsi will however investigate when i have an idle moment05:17
kyyberiStskeeps: breaking it to gems atm05:18
jonwilwell someone needs to find the right code then :)05:18
jonwilbecause right now its tehnically a license violation :P05:18
kyyberiStskeeps: however work stuff takes most of my time currently so progress is a bit slower than it was before05:19
Stskeepskyyberi: yup, food on table first05:19
kyyberi:) yeah05:20
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Stskeepsjonwil: it's https://build.meego.com/package/files?package=gst-plugins-camera&project=Trunk with HAVE_OMAP3CAM=no05:22
StskeepsAM_CONDITIONAL(HAVE_OMAP3CAM, test ! "x$HAVE_OMAP3CAM" = "xno")05:22
Stskeepsconfigure.ac check satisified05:22
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Stskeepsno more, no less05:23
Stskeepsit even says so in the .spec file05:23
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Stskeepsand no, libomapcam3-devel is not public05:25
jonwilok, thanks05:25
jonwiland yes I know its not public :)05:25
Stskeepsi think there's more worth in getting fcam working05:26
Stskeepsphaeron: are you awake enough for process discussion?05:31
phaeronStskeeps: phone05:33
Stskeepsphaeron: alright, just say when :)05:33
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jonwilyeah getting fcam working seems like the best idea, fcam-n900 seems to be free of any ties to any of the proprietary OMAP camera blobs05:42
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Stskeepson n9 too, i think05:43
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jonwilbut yeah with the BME replacement work, the PulseAudio work and other things that are being done, it should be possible to eliminate all the binary blobs from meego/mer/nemo-on-n900 except the SGX drivers and maybe the GPS05:52
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jonwilspeaking of which, I should get going on my wl1251-cal clone :P05:54
Stskeepsmorn niqt06:06
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E-Pgood morning06:46
Stskeepsgood morning E-P06:47
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E-Phttp://pastie.org/4363821 I get following warnings when creating i486 image06:59
E-PPackage fontpackages-filesystem-1.44-1.3.noarch.rpm is damaged07:00
Stskeepsthat's normal07:01
Stskeepsit just clashes with other arch07:01
Stskeepsas the cache is stupid07:01
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Stskeepssage: https://build.ci.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=pth&project=Core%3Aarmv7hl&repository=Core_armv7hl07:24
Stskeepsi really wonder how this could have started to happen07:24
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SageStskeeps: o_007:32
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StskeepsSage: oh, this is a funny one07:36
StskeepsSage: it crashes if you build it on a linux 3.0 kernel07:36
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Venemo_N9good morning :)07:43
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alteregoGood morning Venemo_N907:49
Venemo_N9hey alterego :)07:49
Venemo_N9what's up?07:50
Venemo_N9alterego, Stskeeps, do you think this could work with Mer until a better solution is found? http://sandst1.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/creating-a-madde-target-for-meego-tablet/07:53
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Stskeepspossibly yes07:56
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Venemo_N9Stskeeps, nice08:01
Venemo_N9I'll try it :)08:08
Venemo_N9anyway, will be back later08:09
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Stskeepsmorn slaine, Attie08:41
lbtmorning all08:42
slainemorning all08:43
slaineVenemo's lipstick video was pretty good08:44
lbtphaeron: good catch on the mic issue08:45
Attiemorning Stskeeps & all08:48
lbtphaeron: what I planned to do was an image review with all the packages in it - then a round of bugfixes08:52
phaeronlbt: you should do that in :Testing08:58
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lbtyep - but that means I either leave all the bugs open until I've done the SRs or I queue up some SRs09:00
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lbteither way I should have told you what I was doing09:01
phaeronI meant that testing should be done before packages hit the stable repo :)09:01
phaeronthat's what we have :Testing for09:01
lbtwell, now we do releases so Mer:Tools is "Trunk"09:01
lbtand I did some testing on it - it makes sdk images and arm images09:02
phaeronlbt: if it works then there's no issue , and you can accept the SRs09:02
lbtI'd just class those as basic tests09:03
lbteg didn't boot the image :)09:03
lbtas we've noted, CI for Tools is really hard09:04
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rcg-worknote to self... double check if an application is already packaged before creating a package myself...09:29
OipoUnless you want to double check that that package is packaged correctly.09:30
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* lbt notes to alterego that exec is more fiddly than expected ... eg making it run ~/.mersdk.profile and setting MERSDK09:32
lbtI think we'll skip profile and set MERSDK09:32
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alteregolbt: yes, that's what I did ;)10:02
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gabriel9|workis there some nice friendy tutorial with pictures or video what can i do with Mer ? :)10:10
Stskeepsbuild awesome things10:10
gabriel9|worki know :)10:11
gabriel9|workbecouse of that i will start today with Mer10:11
gabriel9|workand because of jolla mobile :P10:11
lbtgabriel9|work: what area are you interested in?10:11
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timophgeneral linux knowledge will get you quite far already10:11
gabriel9|worki know some10:12
lbtgabriel9|work: :)10:12
gabriel9|workusing Arch for 3 years10:12
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lbtAre you looking to hack on Mer? Evaluating it for a product? Hanging out?10:12
gabriel9|workwell first to see what is it10:13
gabriel9|workand then hack some stuff10:13
gabriel9|worki plan to start development for Jolla and Nemo10:14
gabriel9|workif you have some links just post them10:14
lbtOK ... note that #nemomobile also exists10:14
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gabriel9|workwhen i come home i will check them all :)10:14
gabriel9|workalso nice to see you guys workin on it :)10:15
lbtwell, start on the Mer wiki with the Platform SDK page10:15
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jukkaeklundsage, you have the cubox?10:24
Sagejukkaeklund: yes10:24
jukkaeklundcan I see it :)10:24
Sagejukkaeklund: coming to Turku soon? ;)10:24
jukkaeklundcoming to Tampere soon? :p10:25
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Sagejukkaeklund___: well probably at some point not sure when though.10:31
Sagejukkaeklund___: didn't you see my tweet saying booted mer on cubox? ;)10:31
jukkaeklund___ofc :)10:32
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jukkaeklund___another choice for a digital signage platform..10:33
Stskeepsjukkaeklund___: it even has sane 3d drivers10:33
Stskeepsflash player, etc..10:33
jukkaeklund___open source drivers and kernel?10:34
Stskeepsseems so10:35
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Sagewell binary blobs some parts10:38
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lbtStskeeps: noticed any ntp issues?10:59
Stskeepsnot so far11:01
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lbtalso release mgmt meeting ?11:02
Stskeepsoh, yeah11:03
lbtAard: ^11:03
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Aardno time now11:03
lbtno complaints then :)11:04
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Stskeepshello mikkoh :)11:14
mikkohStskeeps: hello!11:15
Stskeepsmikkoh: welcome here to #mer :) so what brings you here?11:15
lbtphaeron: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/spectacle.git;a=summary11:16
phaeronlbt: ?11:17
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lbtthat's what it produces11:17
mikkohStskeeps: curious about mer, now especially after all the jolla press :)11:19
Stskeepsmikkoh: sure :) if you have any questions about Mer, or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time11:19
mikkohStskeeps: ok I'm sure I will have plenty of free time soon :)11:20
Stskeepsmikkoh: a lot of good people in finland that has a free time soon, yeah11:20
Stskeeps+lot of11:21
Stskeepshopefully the recent news should help to bring about a new wave of interesting startups11:22
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Stskeepshi lockywolf :) welcome to #mer, if you have any questions on Mer, or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time11:53
lockywolfWho could spend some time and answer a coulpe of questions on how to contribute to nemo?11:54
Stskeeps#nemomobile also exists11:54
* Sage is happy now that n950 and N900 boots with mer next11:55
Sagethe x86 adapation failing is another story :/11:55
phaeronlbt: I am only objecting to _src and its contents , and forcing to upload tar.ball11:56
StskeepsSage: why doesn't x86 boot?11:56
SageStskeeps: livecd doesn't boot anymore. raw boots11:57
SageStskeeps: udev in livecd isn't able to mount the proper rootfs11:57
lbtphaeron: that's fine - the thing about it is to allow phasing11:58
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SageStskeeps: need to check the update path next how that goes. If something fails on there or if everything goes ok.11:59
phaeronSage: livecd is a minor issue12:00
phaeronlbt: but you do acknowledge it's not empty objections :)12:01
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Sagephaeron: well, combined to https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179 I would say it is a quite huge issue12:02
lbtphaeron: I do; the stuff you describe is important12:02
lockywolfcan anyone explain me, what is a bootstrap area?12:02
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Stskeepslockywolf: where did you find that term?12:04
lockywolfin MIC manual12:04
Stskeepslockywolf: isn't needed in Mer Platform SDK12:05
lockywolfI want to try mer/nemo sdk12:05
Stskeepsplease follow https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK :)12:05
phaeronSage: having working livecd is a minor issue. Having working kernel upgrades is a more important and big issue. Not having the vmlinuz symlink is a HUGE issue.12:06
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phaeronimho please fix in order of importance :)12:06
lockywolfwell, I tried the following guide https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Trying_it_out12:07
Stskeepshello Ionakka :)12:07
lockywolfmer wiki, isn't it?12:07
Stskeepslockywolf: hmm, that seems old12:07
Stskeepslook further down in Platform_SDK page instead12:07
* Stskeeps adds a warning on top12:08
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Stskeeps[14:07] <Stskeeps> lockywolf: hmm, that seems old12:12
Stskeeps[14:07] <Stskeeps> look further down in Platform_SDK page instead12:12
Stskeeps[14:08]  * Stskeeps adds a warning on top12:12
lockywolfjust rm -rf'ed my "parentroot"12:12
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lockywolfhope my mozilla doesn't crash12:12
Stskeepslbt: didn't we add explicitly ways to avoid this?12:13
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lockywolf"seems old"12:15
Stskeepsyes, as in, outdated12:15
lbthttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started is newer but focused on Mer, not Nemo12:16
lockywolfwhat exactly is a "Platform SDK"?12:16
lockywolfis it a root of x86 mer?12:16
lbtlockywolf: did you read the page?12:16
Stskeepslockywolf: platform sdk is basically a set of tools and pre-setup things to enable starting work on Mer and Mer-based products fast12:16
lockywolfi did12:17
Stskeepslockywolf: it's basically a small x86 mer12:17
lockywolfsorty, deleting parentroot was my mistake12:17
Stskeepslockywolf: i think it's better to spend time salvaging your system right now though12:17
Stskeeps parentroot = your file system12:17
lockywolfI see.12:17
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* lbt afk for a while12:17
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lockywolfit is a  VM12:18
Stskeepsah, that's more lucky12:18
lockywolfI am just.. kind of lost in al these chroots12:18
lockywolfchroot to sdk, it generates a chroot filesystem12:19
Stskeepsjust think of opening a sdk, stuff like scratchbox worked same way12:19
lockywolfscratchbox was my second question :-)12:19
Stskeepswe don't use scratchbox1 :P12:19
Stskeepsthat's where platform sdk replaces12:20
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lockywolfis a "root filesystem" used to build an image and sb2's root filesystem the same thing?12:20
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Stskeepsnah.. but platform SDK includes sb212:21
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lockywolfsb2 is a cross-compiling utility? I tune a cross-compiling "root" with sb2 -R zypper? so I can create cross-compiled binaries?12:23
lockywolfhow can I then install these binaries to an image to run them?12:24
Stskeepswell, you can package them up with rpm, or copy them directly with for exampel scp12:24
lockywolfevery single rebuild?12:24
Stskeepscan easily be deployable12:25
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phaeron1Sage: apparently something creates a /boot/bzImage symlink12:27
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Sagephaeron1: we have extlinux, grubby, mkinitrd mess in x86 adaptation. We should replace it with dracut or something else I think.12:29
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phaeron1Sage: this is a rootfs image12:30
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Sagephaeron1: rpm -qf `which new-kernel-pkg`12:32
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E-Pjei, got "minimal" Mer image working in kvm and executed succesfully all blts-x11 tests12:38
SageE-P: nice12:38
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StskeepsE-P: \o/12:39
iekkuE-P, \o/12:39
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E-Piekku: you should be on a vacation?12:40
* Sage kicks iekku back to vacation12:40
Stskeepsiekku's not working, really12:40
gaz|o/     \o/      \o|12:40
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iekkui'm having feever :/12:40
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E-Piekku: damn, get better soon!12:41
Stskeepsiekku: i bet it's because of work addiction withdrawal12:41
iekkuE-P, hope so12:41
StskeepsE-P: all blts-x1?12:41
Stskeepseven the ones requiring root?12:42
iekkutoday is better, having only 37,5. was in bed the whole day yesterday12:42
phaeron1Sage: no such thing12:42
E-PStskeeps: yes, starting xterm and using eat-store-env, then copying the .eat-store-env to root and executing tests12:43
phaeron1Sage: on fedora it exists12:43
E-Pmaybe not the best way to do, but works12:43
Sagephaeron1: well new-kernel-pkg is part of grubby that handles the bootloader stuff12:44
phaeron1yes , I am saying it is not installed in that rootfs , yet there is a symlink.12:45
Sagehmmp... symlink done by mic maybe?12:46
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lockywolfanother stupid question... what does OBS do?12:55
Stskeepsit's kinda a build farm and dependency solver12:55
Stskeepsand package storage arae12:55
Stskeepscheck out https://build.pub.meego.com and browse around12:55
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lockywolfit keeps the source tree for all packages? of it fetches them from mainstream gist?12:55
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Stskeepsit keeps packages, not source trees12:55
Stskeepsie, tarballs, spec files, etc12:56
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lockywolfmic builds images(takes packages) from obs?12:57
Stskeepsyes, it takes them from RPM repositories that OBS can generate12:58
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SageStskeeps: tizen?13:00
lockywolfhow can i make sure that sb2's root and MIC-generated image contain the same files?13:02
lockywolfso that after I boot an image with qemu I can test sb2 compiled binaries in it?13:03
lockywolfcan I give sb2 a *.ks file?13:03
lockywolfstupid me13:03
lockywolfjust got it13:03
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lockywolfwhere can I get latest Nemo.ks ?13:18
lockywolf*the latest13:18
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denismhi, as a part of the bug MER#392 - I have created a valgrind package for Mer: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=valgrind&project=home%3Amdn%3AMer13:31
denismJust about half of tests are passing inside OBS - due to missing glibc-debuginfo, /proc and so on13:31
denismI have cvhecked it by myself under x86, works fine, if somebody can/want to try it on armel - please try and say results, does it work or not?13:32
Stskeepshmm, i can do that13:32
StskeepsProject not found: "home:mdn:Mer" ?13:32
denismStskeeps: it would be nice. Hmm13:33
Stskeepsi don't see it13:33
denismStskeeps: I have to do 'public' it somehow, could you advice how?13:34
Stskeepsdenism: i'm a bit astonished :)13:34
denismhttp://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/mdn:/Mer/Mer_Core_i586/i586/ - it is visible here but not on build.pub... :-O13:34
Stskeepshow does it look in "Users"?13:35
denismOnly me13:35
Stskeepslbt/phaeron: could you check what's going on there?13:35
denismshould I add some group or user?..13:36
phaeron1denism: why did you disable access to it ? You have something to hide ? :D13:36
Stskeepsphaeron1: where do you disable acces to it? ;)13:37
denismphaeron1: No at least, I have not done it intentionally13:37
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phaeron1Stskeeps: there's a checkbox when you create a new project in the webui to disable access13:37
IonakkaStskeeps: hi!13:37
Ionakka(was afk)13:37
phaeron1or add <access><disable/> in meta13:37
StskeepsIonakka: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions about Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :)13:38
phaeron1denism: yeah I know just joking :)13:38
phaeron1Stskeeps: try now13:38
Stskeepsmuch better13:38
Ionakkamost likely i'll come up with stupid questions soonish ;p13:39
denismphaeron1: So - have I created it incorrectly? (with incorrect checkbox?..)13:39
phaeron1denism: yeah, no big deal ;)13:39
StskeepsIonakka: excellent ;)13:40
denismphaeron1: ok thank you, I will read carefully all these boxes/message next time13:40
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Stskeepsdenism: seems to work for me13:44
Stskeeps(on armv7l)13:44
denismStskeeps: cool, thank you13:45
Stskeepsand thank you too for packaging that tool :)13:46
denismwhat should be done next if I want to push it forward? Can it be submitted to Mer:Tools:Testing for a review? or just add lines to 'debugging' page on the wiki?..13:46
Stskeepssubmit it forward to Mer:Tools:Testing and if you can do some few lines on how to use/point to documentation, that'd be even better13:48
denismok thank you, I will submit and will add some lines to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Debugging13:49
alteregoWhat tool is this?13:52
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Stskeepsdenism: one small comment, there is a script somewhere that makes it require perl13:56
Stskeepscan you investigate what it is?13:56
Stskeeps starts with "#!/usr/bin/perl"13:56
denismStskeeps: tests are running by perl application13:57
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Stskeepsdenism: ah, the valgrind tests themselves?13:57
Stskeepsdenism: can you seperate them out into a -tests perhaps?13:57
denismStskeeps: yes, I have to check more carefully13:58
Stskeepsit's because we really don't want to put perl on device, if we can avoid it13:58
alteregolol /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/qtcontacts-tracker-4.19.3~4626046/src/lib/check_public_headers.py: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory13:59
alteregoSo I have to add python as a build dep?13:59
Stskeepsalterego: stuff happens, yes13:59
alteregoDidn't have to do that locally ..13:59
Stskeepskallaballa: http://review.merproject.org/#change,711 - is this an obsolete change? if so, please click 'abandon change'14:00
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alteregoStskeeps: can you look at this guys problem in #nemomobile? Something to do with qemu and a nemo image.14:00
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denismStskeeps: no it is not tests, http://pastebin.com/cp5EFquD - some valgrind's helpers14:05
denismStskeeps: also - valgrind mostly do not work without glibc-debuginfo on Mer, so it should be installed separately14:06
Stskeepsdenism: :nod:14:06
Stskeepsdenism: fair enough, let's keep it this way then14:06
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SageStskeeps: we should add python-cairo to Mer I think. It would help people to plot the startup graphs.14:42
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StskeepsSage: feel free to add to Mer:Tools14:46
Stskeepsunless python-cairo is not very deep in dependencies14:46
Sagesystemd-analyze actually depends on it14:46
Stskeepswell, find out how much deps it has14:47
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Sagepython, cairo, glibc and libgcc :)14:48
Sageand we should call it python-cairo not pycairo14:48
Stskeepsfair enough14:48
Stskeepspackage it up14:48
Sagealready have it packaged and tested. Need to update and rename it though as I have old package14:48
Stskeepswhat package name do you want? python-cairo ?14:49
lockywolf_how can I run X apps from mer-sdk?14:50
SageStskeeps: to match with other python stuff python-cairo yes14:50
Stskeepsgit repo named14:51
Sageour bootchart doesn't look very nice atm. there are couple of places where it holds and waits on n950 at least14:51
Sagebut that is printed by systemd with pycairo so it is quite nice buildin feature14:52
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phaeron1kill plymouth :D15:05
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StskeepsSage: yes, make it draw it to screen -while- we boot15:05
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Stskeepslbt: provided everything goes OK, prerelease in the morning, or late evening15:09
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Sagephaeron1: Stskeeps: well, if I read that correctly it is not plymouth but the remount that is holding stuff back15:10
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phaeron1sage: hmm15:12
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Sagebecause tmp.mount starts only after the remount-fs dark red ends15:13
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Sagebut maybe it is just me reading it wrong15:14
Sageanyway that remount takes over 3 seconds15:16
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lbtStskeeps: late evening tonight? that'd be OK15:24
Stskeepslbt: i -hope- builds are done by then15:24
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SageStskeeps: are review stuff on same machine than the release builds?15:33
Sagejust wondering if you could kick the stuff that haven't been reviewed at all or if that would delay the builds15:33
alteregoAnd now for commhistory-daemon -_-15:35
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StskeepsSage: i'll kick it after release15:40
Stskeepsi need build power now15:40
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kallaballaStskeeps: i have no idea. why would you suspect so?15:42
kallaballaStskeeps: ad:  http://review.merproject.org/#change,71115:43
Stskeepskallaballa: i see two libtiff submissions in http://review.merproject.org/#q,status:open,n,z15:44
Stskeepsso i wonder which one was the right one15:44
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Stskeepsi got names mixed up15:44
Stskeepssorry about that :)15:44
kallaballaStskeeps: hehe no problem15:44
StskeepsOipo: which one of your two libtiff changes is the correct one?15:44
kallaballatbl: btw. i completed the build of the nemo-armv7hl image using mic 0.13 and installed it on my n900. worked fine.15:45
Stskeepsdid you figure out the mipsel issue yet?15:46
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alteregocommhistory depends on MeeGo Touch15:53
SageStskeeps: sure15:54
kallaballaStskeeps: nope. probably won't have much time to do that next 3 days. let's see15:55
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alteregoping Sage16:14
alteregoSage: unresolvable: nothing provides qmsystem-devel16:14
Stskeepskallaballa: alright, no worries16:15
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Sagealterego: umm....16:19
alteregoAm I building for the wrong repo or something?16:19
Sagealterego: CE:UX:MTF provides qmsystem16:20
Sagewhat depends on that?16:20
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alteregoI can't straddle repos, because I can't build the packages that I need to build to build that, or use qmsystem from CE:UX:MTF :/16:21
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phaeron1alterego: you can have multiple paths in your repo16:22
alteregophaeron1: ?16:24
phaeron1alterego: you want to build against two projects , right ?16:24
alteregoI'm guessing yes.16:24
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phaeron1so in the project you are building in you can point at two places to look for build deps16:25
alteregoHow ?16:26
phaeron1in webui go to your project repositories -- edit repository -- add additional path16:27
phaeron1or on command line osc meta prj -e name-of-project16:27
phaeron1and copy a path element and change the project name accordingly16:27
alteregoOh, cool.16:28
alteregoI had no idea.16:28
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alteregophaeron1: thanks :)16:30
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rsadhuWhere I can get Code for FireFox in order to build it for Vivaldi?17:45
rsadhuany idea?17:45
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alteregorsadhu: mozilla.org?17:47
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OipoStskeeps, http://review.merproject.org/#change,71119:50
StskeepsOipo: ok, please click 'abandon change' on the one that's not relevant anymore19:52
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Stskeepsthank you19:55
Stskeepsmakes my reviewing simpler / less resources once we ask things to be re-reviewed19:55
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VenemoStskeeps, what's the difference between armv7l and armv7hl?20:41
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phaeronVenemo: softfp vs. hardfp20:42
dm8tbrVenemo: hardfloat20:42
Venemoah, ok20:42
Venemothanks :)20:42
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trip0an "h"20:55
trip0i win!20:55
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lbtStskeeps: prerelease?21:20
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