Sunday, 2012-07-29

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Stskeepsmorn06:47
jonwilmorn06:49
Paimenmorn06:49
* Stskeeps hates drives that go from 6 hours to 12 hours due to traffic jams and so much rain you can't see out the front window..06:51
Stskeeps:P06:51
lpotterespecially on a motorcycle06:54
Stskeepsmotorcycle would have been semi-useful in the trafficjam06:59
Stskeeps:P06:59
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_av500_Stskeeps: vacation?07:10
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Stskeeps_av500_: tiny 2-day trip to polish coast07:22
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Stskeepsgood morning kallaballa, phdeswer08:23
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lbto/08:25
lbtcoffee08:25
kallaballagood morning :)08:26
phdeswermorning Stskeeps !08:30
phdeswerHave gotten some work done I will try to push next week ;)08:30
Venemoheya08:30
Stskeepsphdeswer: cool :)08:31
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VenemoStskeeps, what do I do if my Mer SDK fell apart?08:39
VenemoI have no idea why.08:39
Stskeepswhat does it error with08:40
Stskeeps?08:40
Venemoah08:40
Venemoit works after unmounting and re-mounting08:40
Venemopreviously, it entered into a chroot but it appeared to be empty08:41
Stskeepsyes08:41
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Stskeepsmorn situ08:43
situHey morning.. how're you ?08:43
Stskeepsfine, we came home 6 hours later than expected due to traffic jams and massive rain storm08:44
Stskeepsso a bit tired today08:44
VenemoStskeeps, what exactly does 'sb2 -m sdk-install -R' do? why isn't 'sb2 zypper ...' enough?08:44
StskeepsVenemo: it changes some modes so it behaves more like a target08:45
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VenemoStskeeps, why, otherwise it doesn't behave like a target?08:45
StskeepsVenemo: there's certain optimizations you can do for build08:46
Stskeepsthat makes it fast for cross compilation08:46
Venemomhm08:46
Stskeepsand hence it uses different fules08:46
Stskeepsrules08:46
Venemo:)08:46
Stskeepsfor a root/target install you need to abstract as little as possible08:46
Venemosounds understandable08:47
Venemodoes the sdk cope well if I use 'sb2 make -j4' for building? i.e. can it actually utilize multiple cores?08:48
Stskeepsyes08:49
Stskeepsif it doesn't, it's a bug08:49
VenemoI got this: http://fpaste.org/2MeO/ - is this the same thing as http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChangeInImplicitDSOLinking ?08:51
Venemothe question really is, does Mer have the same DSO linking behaviour as Fedora regarding implicit dependencies?08:52
Stskeepsyes08:53
Stskeepsit helps application loading time -a lot-08:53
Venemonice08:53
Venemoso I will only have to add x11 as an explicit link, right?08:54
Venemookay08:55
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VenemoStskeeps, can I add scp to the chroot somehow?08:55
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Stskeepsopenssh-clients08:58
Venemoshould I install that to the target or can I install it to the SDK itself?09:01
Stskeepsinstall to sdk is probably saner09:02
Venemohow do I do that?09:02
Venemosimple zypper install inside the chroot? or?09:02
Stskeepsyes, sudo zypper install09:03
Venemoall right09:06
Venemoanother question, does it hurt if I give a password to the default user on the device (eg. the 'nemo' user or Nemo)?09:06
Stskeepsyou can, usually it's == root password09:07
Venemoah, ok09:07
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alteregoOh, you're chatting here :p09:10
Venemohere too09:10
kallaballawhoa.. coffee kicks like a mule today. anyway.. could someone please guide me on triage? particulary: is there a guide for triage? who's supposed to do it? are 2 eyes enough?09:13
Stskeepsbug triage?09:13
kallaballayes09:13
phaeronmaybe you mean review ?09:13
Stskeepsbug triages happen every monday, basically09:14
kallaballano.. i found the guide on review. i was just wondering if there is a mer specific guide on how to handle it09:14
kallaballaic09:14
kallaballathx09:14
Stskeepsand we show up on irc and walk through new incoming and review lists of old ones09:14
Stskeepssetting priority, commenting, or maybe grabbing the new bugs to start work on them09:14
Stskeepsregarding reviews on review.merproject.org anybody can help review but currently i merge and stage09:15
Stskeepsit goes in tempo like with mer releases, so when you've sent a change, just go on and do other things, set bug to RESOLVED/FIXED and link to change09:15
Stskeepsand just react if reviews go bad eventually09:16
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kallaballaok.. but yesterday i was working on a bug (#385) that resulted in the creation of a new bug report (#489). the new bug is not triaged but i'd have a proposal for a fix. should i just comment on it or does it make sense to implement it in a branch, even without triage?09:20
Stskeepsjust comment on it and do whatever needs to be done09:21
Stskeepsmer processes aren't meant to slow down development :)09:21
kallaballahehe great!09:21
Stskeepsit just helps assess and triage so we don't forget things09:21
Stskeepsit's better to know our bugs than to not09:21
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lbtoff now ...bbiab09:40
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Stskeepskallaballa: generally if you do controversial stuff a triage is a way to stop it in it's heels :)09:46
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Stskeepshello linux_tom :)09:55
linux_tomhello Stskeeps09:55
Stskeepslinux_tom: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?09:55
linux_tom:-) general interest. I develop on openWRT. I have plans of moving to a different platform09:56
linux_tomI read about jolla and tizen - they're both based on mer09:56
linux_tomat some point I'd like to contribute, and learn09:57
Stskeepsnot exactly, tizen is more complicated - tizen 1.0 is based on a debian deriative called samsung linux platform, tizen 2.0 is based on meego 1.2 + changes, and mer is based on meego 1.3 +_changes09:57
situStskeeps: Is Tizen based on Mer ?09:57
Stskeepsjolla OS is based on mer though09:57
linux_tomoh, didn't know that09:58
Stskeepsdistribution ancestry is always fun09:58
situI heard Samsung is going to merge Bada into Tizen, not sure why.09:58
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Stskeepslinux_tom: in practice, many projects just use the upstream projects anyway09:59
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Stskeepsand present/deliver/integrate in different ways09:59
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kyyberiTwo chickens won't make an eagle :)09:59
linux_tomTizen isn't exactly my type of platform. its "dilute" like android09:59
linux_tomwith mer, is it possible to get a "linux-hacker" type OS?10:00
linux_tomwith true root access?10:00
situI hope so.10:00
Stskeepsyes, but Mer is a bit different in many respect, it's just a core, no UI on top or hardware adaptations with in it10:01
Stskeepsvendors take it and add hw adaptation and ui, and they have a product10:01
Stskeepsso it's really up to them how they want to do things10:01
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linux_tomsounds ok . I guess an open UI project will come up soon10:02
Stskeepswe have one called Nemo, others that put on top of Mer is Plasma Active, Cordia, etc10:02
linux_tomI'm not too sure about hardware adaptations - vendors tend to lock the underlying hardware.10:03
Stskeepsyeah10:04
linux_tomI'm looking forward to the day when phones will be as open as PCs. sadly, the trend seems to suggest otherwise.10:05
Stskeepsyeah.. well, we're doing ours to keep at least core part interesting10:05
linux_tomso, I'm on a slow internet connection presently. I'm downloading the mer SDK. it will take about an hour10:06
Stskeepsalright10:06
linux_tomStskeeps , may I know about your role ?10:07
Stskeepslinux_tom: i'm the project architect of mer and semi-community manager10:07
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linux_tomcool . Thanks to people like you, the world becomes a better place :-)10:08
Stskeepsthanks10:09
Stskeepsif you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time10:09
linux_tomI definitely will. I'm looking for a new pet project, mer is the top candidate10:09
linux_tomquestion: are there any ready HW devices I can play with in the meantime? I'm not such a fan of virtual machines10:10
Stskeepswell, what do you have? :)10:11
linux_tomI have wifi routers :-) , been running openWRT on them10:13
Stskeepsany with >64mb ram and 2.6.32 and above? :P10:13
linux_tomyes, Ubiquiti RSPro, 128MB, presently running 3.3.810:14
dm8tbrStskeeps: trying to revive my old idea from meego times of routerUX? ;)10:14
CosmoHillrouters of today outpower computers of yesterday10:14
dm8tbryup, and they're as easy to 'root' IOW take control of as computers of yesterday10:15
linux_tomits really cool. http://www.ubnt.com/rspro10:15
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Stskeepslinux_tom: MIPS?10:15
linux_tom680 MHz CPU10:15
linux_tomcan be overclocked to 800 - never tried though10:16
Stskeepsah, i meant the architecture10:16
linux_tomatheros ar71xx10:17
Stskeepsah, mips3210:17
Stskeepswe have a mips port we need some validation of10:17
linux_tomcool , I'd be glad to assist10:18
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kallaballajust so that i don't run in the wrong direction... to work on the latest mic: osc branch Mer:Tools:Testing mic?10:21
Stskeepsright, just remember there's a git tree too10:21
kallaballayou refere to the review  tree?10:22
Stskeepsno, hmm10:23
Stskeepssec10:23
kallaballai mean: ssh://<yourlogin>@review.merproject.org:29418/10:23
Stskeepshmm10:24
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kallaballaok.. thx :)10:28
Stskeepslbt would know10:28
Stskeepsthere's something weird about that git :)10:29
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kallaballaok.. the change is going to be pretty isolated anyway. i'll try to ask him later and merge10:32
Stskeepsyep10:32
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situStskeeps: What's the process to upgrade a package ?10:39
Stskeepssitu: same as with any change, test it works somehow in a image and send the upgrade10:40
Stskeepsin future we can offload that QA a bit but now we have to do good practice10:40
Stskeepshello priyan :)10:40
priyanhello Stskeeps10:41
Stskeepspriyan: welcome :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time10:41
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priyan@Stskeeps: Thanks, I will..10:42
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alteregoStskeeps:  (ERROR)[sb2d][5750]Lua interpreter PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (...120729-104622.eF5693/lua_scripts/init_modeconfig.lua:53: No exec policy selection table in /tmp/sb2-tswindell-20120729-104622.eF5693/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-build/config.lua)$10:46
alteregosb2d: Lua interpreter PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (...120729-104622.eF5693/lua_scripts/init_modeconfig.lua:53: No exec policy selection table in /tmp/sb2-tswindell-20120729-104622.eF5693/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-build/config.lua)10:47
alteregoany idea?10:47
Stskeepsalterego: looks like an old sdk?10:47
alteregoHmm, shouldn't be that old. /me checks10:47
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alteregoYeah, installed -latest and it works now.10:58
Stskeepsok, good10:59
situStskeeps: does the nemo image work fine in Virtualbox ?10:59
Stskeeps'fine'11:00
Stskeepsit has problems with compositor at times11:00
Stskeepsie, screen goes black11:00
situOk.11:01
situI will try it today in VirtualBox.11:01
Stskeepsalright11:01
alteregoStskeeps: done any mer work with busybox and uclibc?11:05
Stskeepsalterego: busybox yes, uclibc no11:06
lbtkallaballa: for mic we work against the git tree - then get it into Mer:Tools:Testing for others to try11:06
Stskeepslbt: .. yes, but what git tree?11:06
Stskeeps:P11:06
Stskeepsi can't find it in .spec11:06
lbtyou know how I said sorting out the SDK and packages + process was high prio and we decided to do BOSS update and then quickbuild first... :)11:07
Stskeepsyeah, i know11:07
Stskeepsi just can't find the git tree we used to do mic tarball, that's all :P11:07
lbtI am painfully aware of the mess around Tools and Mint :/11:07
lbtI'll look11:08
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kallaballaic. working against git first sounds good to me11:09
lbthttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Mic11:10
kallaballalbt: thx!11:11
lbtkallaballa: I suggest creating a branch called mer-<release id> and putting any patches on there11:12
lbtbranch that from the upstream <release> tag or sha111:12
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lbtthen we'll create a tarball based on upstream and a set of patches for any changes we carry11:13
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kallaballalbt: to get it right: 1. clone https://github.com/jfding/mic. 2. branch the corresponding upstream release. 3. patch it... ?11:20
kallaballalbt: i get the part where you wanna keep patches referring to upstream... but i don't understand how i should regard already applied patches like that11:21
lbtno, clone mine11:21
lbtalready applied patches?11:21
kallaballalbt: ic... i'll just get the release tag from upstream11:21
kallaballano11:22
lbtmy clone should have any upstream tags too11:22
lbtuntil we get sorted, consider my clone the Mer Tools master11:22
kallaballaok great11:23
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kallaballatbl: fyi - i'm about to make mic ensure /etc/mtab is always a symlink to /proc/self/mounts. there seem to be quite a lot of cases where mtab is handled in mic. from top of your head, can u see a problem with that?11:40
Stskeepswell, can't you just make sure it doesn't tamper with it?11:42
Stskeepsand instead do what the fs has in contents11:42
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kallaballaStskeeps: If all the ks files do the linking that would work for "create".  but e.g. entering a chroot would preserve a symlink (not a regular file) whereas leaving a chroot (cleanup) would delete it.11:50
kallaballaafaics i'll have to check/change/remove handling of mtab all over the code anyway - the question is if the ks files should be in charge of creating the symlink11:51
Stskeepskallaballa: generally, as an architect i need to be able to ensure that the contents of our packages is what it is, without image creator tampering it..11:51
Stskeepswhat it is = what ends up in images11:51
kallaballaStskeeps: ic. ks is in charge of mtab and not regarded a special file11:52
Stskeepswell, as in, the rpm packages that get installed -> the content11:53
phaeronin this case the "filesystem" package ?11:54
phaeronright ?11:54
Stskeepsyes, well, i can't recall where sage said he put it11:54
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OipoWhat does "rpc timeout" mean in a build log reported by the Mer Automation Single Build Checker?12:20
Stskeepsmeans something fluked out12:20
Stskeepsie, overloaded obs12:21
OipoAh.12:21
StskeepsURL?12:21
Oipohttp://review.merproject.org/#change,70712:21
Stskeepsi'll kick it again, moment12:22
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OipoLol, I imagine you actually kicking a machine or something.12:23
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Stskeepstanuk: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/pulseaudio-parameter-module12:28
Stskeepswasn't this module, at least in meego, closed?12:28
StskeepsOipo: it should be re-running the check12:30
OipoYeah. I'll await an email in my inbox for whenever the check is done.12:30
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Stskeepsdzien dobry fk_lx12:35
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jonwilok, that's another piece of formerly closed n900 code exposed to the world :)12:37
jonwilJust made a tool to grab the bluetooth MAC address from CAL and send it to the kernel12:37
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VenemoStskeeps, http://www.fpaste.org/4XNy/12:42
Venemo"Package git-1.7.7-2.1 seems to be corrupted during transfer." -> 4 times in a row12:42
fk_lxStskeeps: god eftermiddag12:42
StskeepsVenemo: interesting12:43
Stskeepsbug please12:43
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Venemok12:47
Stskeepshello shuk :)12:48
shukHi12:49
Stskeepsshuk: welcome :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out12:49
shukI have some troubles with Meego OBS and specify, can I ask questions about it in this channel?12:51
Stskeepssure :)12:51
lbthaving problems here12:54
Stskeepslbt: mm?12:55
lbtgrep is trying to eat the internet (grep is one of the new kittens)12:55
Stskeepshehe12:55
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shukI am working on NEMO#215 bug, I created patch, updated .yaml file, .changes file and genereted  new .spec file. After I checked in into OBS, it gives error "nothing provides %{_bindir}/desktop-file-install". I checked .spec file diff, and noticed, that specify changed "BuildRequires:  desktop-file-utils" to "BuildRequires:  %{_bindir}/desktop-file-install". How can I fix this build error?12:56
Stskeepsdid you use mer platform sdk?12:57
shukyes12:57
Stskeepsand specify within it?12:57
shukyes12:57
shukHere is full diff https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=heliumreborn&project=home%3Ashuk%3Abranches%3ACE%3AApps%3AMTF&rev=312:57
Stskeepssandst1: ^12:59
Stskeepserr12:59
StskeepsSage: ^12:59
shukI don't want to change .spec file manually, because I think it is wrong)12:59
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Stskeepsit's OK within the >> and <<'s13:00
Stskeepsbut i think that looks like a bug13:00
shukOk, thank you, I will try to investigate it then.13:01
Stskeepscan you see if it works if you manually edit %{_bindir} to /usr/bin ?13:04
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shukOk, I will try it13:05
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kallaballathere seems to be another issue with mic in HEAD: https://gist.github.com/319867013:10
kallaballafileing a report..13:10
shukNo, it didn't help, as well as just desktop-file-install13:10
OipoHuh, that's an interesting bug.13:10
Stskeepsshuk: and with desktop-file-utils?13:11
Stskeepskallaballa: HEAD from upstream, or from mer?13:11
Stskeepswe added i486 support, afak13:11
OipoI think that command worked on my machine. Hmm.13:12
Oipokallaballa, yeah, I can't reproduce that.13:14
shukStskeeps: with desktop-file-utils it succeeded13:15
Oipokallaballa, are you using mic from the platform SDK?13:15
Stskeepsshuk: interesting13:15
kallaballaStskeeps:  https://github.com/lbt/mic13:15
Stskeepskallaballa: isn't there a mer branch?13:15
kallaballaOipo: yes13:15
* Oipo scratches head13:16
* jussi waves to Stskeeps13:16
kallaballaStskeeps: no.. just master13:17
kallaballaill retry from scratch13:18
Stskeepslo jussi13:18
Stskeepskallaballa: alright, git branch -l13:18
jussiStskeeps: hows things?13:18
Stskeepsjussi: good, overheated atm though13:19
jussiStskeeps: ++13:19
jussiIm overheated and overfrustrated13:19
fk_lxjussi: don't be overfrustrated, tomorrow (or even tonight) everything will be better :-)13:21
jussifk_lx: true true, I wish I could just get the damn nemo installed though :/13:21
fk_lxfk_lx: I should try Nemo it looks really nice and it probably would do my N900 more usable :-)13:23
fk_lxupps I am talking to myself ;-)13:24
jussi:D13:24
LoCusF/n13:24
shukStskeeps: yes, when I changed "BuildRequires:  %{_bindir}/desktop-file-install" to "BuildRequires:  desktop-file-utils" build was successful, and binary is good, at least for i58613:25
Stskeepsshuk: ok, that's for sure a bug..13:25
Stskeepsshuk: please file it against spectacle13:25
kallaballaStskeeps: only master available. locally as remotely. i'm setting about a gist with precise instructions on how to reproduce13:25
shukStskeeps: ok, and what about my fix? should I wait for spectacle fix, ar submit it now "as is"?13:26
Stskeepskallaballa: hmm, intruiging13:26
Stskeepslbt: if grep hasn't cut your wire yet, ^13:27
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phaeronwasn't master in sage's repo ?13:27
phaeronSage: did you take over mic development ?13:27
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OipoAh yes, the mic from lbt's git does exhibit the bad behaviour, but the mic included in SDK doesn't.13:34
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OipoPeculiarity: mic version in SDK is 0.8 and from git 0.7git13:35
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lbtStskeeps: nop...  she's gone back to sleep with top13:38
kallaballahow to reproduce it: https://gist.github.com/319888613:42
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alteregolbt: ping13:50
lbtpong13:50
alteregoI'm trying to implement a patch for mer-sdk-chroot script, playing around with getopts, doesn't seem to be acting right :/13:51
alteregoIf I put echo "$*" after shift $((OPTIND - 1)) it's just outputing all of the parameters, not just the remaining ones not processed by getopts :)13:51
* alterego has no idea what's going on ..13:54
alteregoActually, it's working now13:55
alteregoMust have done something stupid.13:55
lbt*g*13:55
OipoOh, I love those moments the best.13:55
lbtit's the "oh bollox - how do I say this without looking like a complete dufus" internal conversation...13:56
kallaballatbl: just to be sure - https://github.com/lbt/mic master is the HEAD of Mer mic?13:57
lbtkallaballa: I've not checked13:57
alteregoActually, it's just how getopts works, I thought it would handle "mer-sdk-chroot enter -u user -r blah" but it doesn't all parameters have to go _before_ the positional parameters.13:57
kallaballalbt: hehe.. how can i be sure?13:57
lbtkallaballa: it's a bit embarrasing atm ... I know Tools needs sorting13:58
alteregoso it has to be "mer-sdk-chroot -u user -r blah enter"13:58
OipoHonestly, I doubt that kallaballa. The version which is included in the platform SDK is different than the one on lbt's git. Not to mention that the bug only happens on lbt's git.13:58
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alteregolbt: so basically, I think the command usage documentation is wrong ..13:58
kallaballalbt: no problem... i'm just trying to find my way around13:58
kallaballaOipo: thought it might be the result of recent patch. didn't track it down yet13:59
alteregolbt: I'll fix the script don't worry ;)13:59
lbtalterego: sec13:59
Oipokallaballa, that's certainly a possibility. But I suspect the git's a bit outdated. Merely a suspicion though.13:59
Stskeepslbt: can you check your local git if you forgot to push it to github?14:00
Stskeepsfor mic14:00
kallaballaOipo: ok. thx :)14:00
alteregolbt: basically to be right, I think "enter" is going to have to be mandatory.14:01
lbtStskeeps: yep .... the problem with doing it all on your own is that when other people start to join in you realise how many shortcuts you've taken :)14:02
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phaeronkallaballa: https://github.com/jfding/mic seems to be the most recent with tags upto 0.12 , if you can check that has the bugs or not , patch it, test it , and send an updated package to OBS :)14:02
lbtphaeron: no packages to OBS14:02
Stskeepslbt: good thing we have newcomers to look at our dirty hacks then :P14:02
lbtall Tools must go via git first14:02
phaeronlbt: please define where that git is14:02
lbtStskeeps: yep - very happy about it14:02
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lbtphaeron: currently mine as per the wiki14:03
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phaeronlbt: which is older than what is in the sdk14:03
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lbtyep14:03
lbtbut I'm not permitting any more shortcuts to OBS14:03
phaeronso you haven't been following your own process14:03
lbtcorrect... I am evil14:03
CosmoHilli knew it!14:04
* Oipo chuckles14:04
phaeronok I hope you try to make it a bit easier for contributors like kallaballa :)14:04
lbtI will really try14:04
phaeronthank you14:04
Stskeepslbt: please file task bugs on things that ought to be done, as well14:04
* Stskeeps offers lbt cookies14:04
lbtStskeeps: yep - I have "SDK" as top prio for next week14:04
OipoStskeeps, just piling on more on his TODO list, eh? :P14:04
lbtfirst I need to submit 'build'14:05
lbtwhich *should* be in Tools Mr Architect :)14:05
lbtbut it's in Core :/14:05
lbtand I have been building the obs-build which != Core build14:05
Stskeepslbt: 'build' is part of prjconf, i think14:05
lbtyeah - it's nothing we can fix yet14:06
Stskeepsif it's not, it can go to tools without big issue14:06
lbtI just was working against our OBS-build, not core-build14:06
Stskeeps:nod:14:06
lbtwe need a shared src with packaging for both Mer and Suse - and we're close14:07
StskeepsSupport: build build-compare14:07
shukPlease, can you tell me, what is http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/spectacle.git;a=summary git repo link? I cand find it =)14:07
* lbt hides14:07
lbtbut luckily that's Sage14:07
lbtwell, spectacle is Sage, my half-finished gitweb area isn't14:08
shukso, there is not public repo for spectacle?14:10
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lbthttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Spectacle14:11
shukoh, thank you very much14:11
lbtalterego: seen https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs/commits/master/mer-sdk-chroot14:12
OipoThe wiki talks about a bug in the OBS on https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail#Branch_the_package_to_work_on_it14:16
OipoBut it's not there anymore?14:16
OipoAt least, I don't seem to have to do the osc meta pr thingy. I guess it can be removed from wiki?14:16
OipoOh, no, I already did it once before. Ah, disregard my previous lines.14:18
alteregolbt: what am I looking at?14:18
phaeronkallaballa: so I guess the correct thing to do is fork jfding's git as he is upstream , test functionality and packaging and send a merge request to lbt's git so he can push it to OBS14:20
lbtOipo: thought so14:20
lbtalterego: confirming you had that repo14:20
alteregoOh, no I didn't so that's where I submit MRs?14:20
lbtyes14:20
lbtI need to check I've pushed14:21
lbtphaeron: in general we should clone the Mer git, not the upstream one14:21
lbtit may be appropriate to have a remote pointing upstream to do version upgrades14:21
phaeronlbt: we need to start somewhere :)14:22
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shukIf you face spectacle, generating "BuildRequires:  %{_bindir}/desktop-file-install", just download latest spectacle from OBS14:29
alteregoWell, fixed the argument/usage issue, so now it should act like it should ;)14:29
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shukI checked it's sources, this bug was fixed, but it looks like updated packege wasn't included to SDK's repos14:29
kallaballalbt & phaeron: i'm a bit confused. i'd be glad to help you resolve the issue, but i'm lacking overview a lot :D....14:30
alteregoNow to add "mer-sdk-chroot exec"14:30
lbtkallaballa: frankly it's me not having organised the Tools process and repos14:30
kallaballaif there ain't a clear road to go down for now, i've no problem with waiting and looking for another task14:30
lbthttps://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/image-creator has Sage's push for multiple architectures14:31
lbtin mic that is14:31
kallaballaok.. ill get that one patch it and test it against sdk-platform and reference kickstarters?14:32
lbtI think that's mic214:34
lbtbtw mic has bloody stupid naming history14:35
lbtmic, mic2, then mic again - all totally different codebases14:35
alteregoAnd "mer-sdk-chroot exec" is implemented :)14:45
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alteregolbt: sent MR14:51
lbtty14:51
alteregoMy bash foo is probably quite amateurish, but it works :P14:51
alteregoIt even preserves the command return status .. Which otherwise makes qt-creator complain with my integration stuffs.14:52
Stskeepshello k4rl :)14:52
k4rlhi ;]14:53
Stskeepsk4rl: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?14:55
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k4rljust installed nemo on my n900 and thought i  should check irc if sometnig is  going on with this project14:57
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Stskeepssure14:58
Stskeeps#nemomobile also exists14:58
k4rlyeah im in both rooms14:59
alteregoStskeeps: does sb2-config have anyway of outputting the targets root directory15:00
alterego?15:00
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lbtalterego: close but a few issues15:05
alteregoOkay15:05
lbtminor: usage string + formatting15:05
lbtmore important: the pid is never cleaned up15:05
lbtif there's an error it exits w/o cleaning15:06
alteregoHmm15:06
lbtif it succeeds it uses exec so never continues15:06
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lbtI'd be tempted to tweak the "enter" case to handle both too - lots of duplication15:07
lbtI suggest error handling the syntax earlier too15:07
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lbtI've also pushed the local tree that I had been working on15:08
lbtjust 2 small commits on it15:08
alteregom'kay15:08
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kallaballatbl: fyi: i just bisected through the history of https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/image-creator but i couldn't find a match for the currently packaged mic.15:25
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phaeronkallaballa: what lbt was trying to say is that the image-creator aka "mic2" on gitorious has nothing in common with the new one we are using aka "mic". The intel people made a bad decision calling the first one mic2 and the second one mic15:28
phaeronit is a complete rewrite15:28
kallaballaphaeron: ohhh thx15:29
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Venemolol15:30
lbtkallaballa: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Mic explains the stupid names15:32
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Venemookay! I have a working status bar in lipstick.15:33
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alteregoLast stage, deployment and running.15:41
kallaballalbt: i'll have a look15:41
alteregoVenemo: neat :)15:45
Venemoalterego, the only issue is (so far) that nothing happens when you click on it :P15:50
alteregoHeh, well, that isn't _that_ important ;)15:51
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OipoI assume there's no issue with me taking on multiple bug reports while the other ones are in review?15:57
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StskeepsOipo: that's normal to do16:04
OipoRight-o.16:04
Stskeepsonce it's in review, it's just about responding to review problems16:05
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alteregolbt: I've managed to get qtcreator to build a project using sb2 through the mer-sdk, transfer it to an N950 running nemo, and execute it :)16:15
lbtvery neat16:16
alteregolbt: Aard said to mention it to you wrt SDK work. :)16:16
lbtyep - I saw16:16
lbtcan you outline the steps16:16
alteregoI was going to write a wikipage about it.16:16
alteregoBut as you can imagine, it relies on that mer-sdk-chroot exec patch16:16
lbtOK - mark it WIP and at the top note any blockers16:17
alteregoOkay16:17
Aardalterego: important part is to sync about bugs in jolla bugzilla with lbt, since that's something which will at least partially be done in paid time16:18
OipoI just found out that there's a new patch for libtiff, but it didn't have any description in it. Is this an acceptable patch format? https://gist.github.com/320001516:18
StskeepsAard: err..16:18
AardStskeeps: we need at least metabugs for some of the open stuff.16:19
StskeepsAard: yes, but not sure why we're discussing that here ;)16:19
Aardbecause it's not a secret?16:19
Stskeepsfair enough16:19
StskeepsOipo: if it fixes a CVE, feel free to include it16:20
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Stskeepshello rubdos16:20
OipoIt does indeed. Should I simply add a new commit and add it to review -- creating two reviews for libtiff? Because the other one is a simple update to libtiff and I already pushed that.16:20
rubdosStskeeps: hi16:20
rubdosHi everybody, btw16:20
OipoHey.16:20
Stskeepsrubdos: welcome :) so what brings you to #mer ?16:20
StskeepsOipo: lay it on top of your existing push (see Contribution_in_detail)16:21
rubdosStskeeps: N9 :)16:21
rubdosStskeeps: I'm buying an N16:21
rubdos9 this week16:21
OipoOkay.16:21
Stskeepsrubdos: hehe, a good start. If you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask16:21
rubdosStskeeps: Exactly16:21
rubdosTell me =D16:21
rubdosIf you need help, call me on IRC/... I can translate to Dutch if needed?16:22
Stskeepssure, start by hanging out to get to know more :)16:22
Stskeepswe don't really translate Mer itself, as it doesn't have UIs16:22
rubdosStskeeps: roger. Added to default IRC list :p16:22
rubdosI heard from a company today of former Nokia employees, who're starting some cool new stuff? :D16:23
rubdosCan't wait to hear about it!16:23
Stskeepsyeah, there's quite a few of those companies16:23
rubdosIs it? But the company I heard about 'Jolla', I think, 'will be the Ferrari of smartphones'16:25
Stskeepshehe16:25
rubdosI read today :-)16:25
Stskeeps#jollamobile for discussion of Jolla, we do the Core that Jolla OS uses here though :)16:25
rubdosStskeeps: Yeh, that's it indeed. Also added to default IRC :p16:26
rubdosStskeeps: My nokia 6085 is getting old. Should I buy a N9 or wait until Jolla releases their first phone? ;)16:29
Stskeepsdunno16:30
Stskeepsdo you need a phone now?16:30
Stskeeps:P16:30
Aardrubdos: depends on if you promise to buy a jolla phone as well in a few months ;)16:30
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rubdosAard: lol If you can tell me what 'a few months' means...16:32
rubdosProblem is, I can't call myself a nerd with such a brick phone ;D16:32
Stskeepsit's good in a fight16:33
lbtphaeron: here is good too16:33
linux_tomI have used the same phone for 2 years now. Ever since M$ took over Nokia, nothing out there seems suitable16:33
rubdosStskeeps: true16:33
rubdoslinux_tom: That's why we love jolla, right?16:33
lbtOipo: note that wiki page has info about re-submit16:33
linux_tomrubdos : thats why we're hoping Jolla fulfils its promise16:34
Oipolbt, yup. Already done so :)16:34
lbtOipo: np then - easy to miss16:34
linux_tomI hope they bring something with the N900 formfactor - I love keypads :-)16:34
Oipolbt, doesn't hurt to check twice.16:35
lbtphaeron: I think the rpm copypac failed to MTT16:35
rubdoslinux_tom: fact16:35
phaeronlbt: ok .. what do we do now ?16:35
lbtredoing the copy now16:35
rubdosI don't know if I could help with anything... Any jobs for a lightweight c++/php/html5 programmer/scripter? I also do some Javascript/jQuery16:35
CosmoHillrubdos: you a webdev then?16:36
rubdosCosmoHill: most of the time, I am16:36
Stskeepsrubdos: check out the topic for interesting tasks16:36
CosmoHillcan ?I see a portfolio?16:36
rubdosI love web interfaces. Easy to do :)16:36
rubdosCosmoHill: Sorry, don't have one...16:37
lbtphaeron: also http://review.merproject.org/#change,71016:37
CosmoHill:o, interfaces aren't my thing but programming stuff is :)16:37
lbtphaeron: "oops"    https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting16:39
linux_tomam I right in thinking mer isn't targeting mobile phones alone, but embedded devices in general?16:39
lbtlinux_tom: correct16:40
lbthttp://www.merproject.org/16:40
linux_tomcool. I'm still building my SDK. slow internet - will probably complete it tomorrow at work.16:40
lbtlinux_tom: the download will shrink soon16:41
linux_tomhow about compiling from source? do you provide that option?16:42
lbtkinda16:42
linux_tomlink to svn/git?16:42
lbtit's not a normal day-to-day thing to do - but vendors may want to setup a build farm to do it16:42
phaeronlbt: you did wipebinaries ?16:42
phaeronah , well everything depends on rpm16:43
lbtphaeron: rebuilt rpm ... it has a few build-deps...16:43
lbtinverse16:43
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lbtlinux_tom: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/16:43
linux_tomthanks16:45
lbtphaeron: good to go now16:47
rubdosI can have an N9 64GB black for €399 and a N9 16GB black for €34916:48
phaeronlbt: trying16:49
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lbtphaeron: eat isn't the best - try something compiled16:51
phaeronok16:53
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lbtphaeron: it's working fine for me now17:06
phaerondoing first --rebuild now17:07
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phaerondoes it do a make clean ?17:09
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phaeronah _requires_ rsync ?17:10
phaeronlbt: ^^17:11
lbtyep17:11
lbtI use :  osc build -o --rebuild --rsync-src=. --rsync-dest=/home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/. Mer_Core_i486           i58617:12
lbtand yes, we can default that17:12
alteregolbt: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/User:Tswindell/Qt_Creator_And_Mer_Integration17:20
Sagelbt: btw, about the mer gitweb. If I say "That is only for Mer packaging of the upstream sources and shouldn't be considered as upstream code git tree." how wrong am I?17:20
lbtcurrently you are correct - soon I hope that will be fixed and it will contain both17:21
Sagewhat I'm trying to say would it be better to call it http://packaging.merproject.org/gitweb/ and then the possible upstream website separately?17:21
lbtno17:21
lbtWe should have both packaging and code in the same gitweb17:21
lbtsee http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/osc.git;a=summary17:22
jonwilanyone here who can help me commit my local changes to gitorius?17:22
tanukStskeeps: Re: "wasn't this module, at least in meego, closed?" -- It was closed in Fremantle, but in Harmattan it was part of the pulseuaudio-meego source package (which was open source). I'm not sure about Meego.17:22
jonwilI forget how I am supposed to commit it17:22
lbtjonwil: usually : git push origin17:23
Sagelbt: hmmp... I see your point. Not sure though if I agree with the solution as it seems to me that it might become messy that way.17:24
lbtit can't become messy17:24
lbtthe trees are distinct17:24
lbtso we have distinct source and packaging trees that cannot be out of sync17:25
jonwilwhich module are you referring to tanuk?17:25
tanukhttp://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/pulseaudio-parameter-module17:25
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lbtSage: not only that, if we (or vendors) have to package code for another distro then we can have discrete branches for, say, Mer and Suse (eg for 'build')17:26
Stskeepstanuk: ok17:27
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alteregoSage: what project am I pushing tone-generator to?17:27
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jonwilwhen I do git push origin it says "git:// is read only"17:27
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Sagealterego: what it is used for? I would say CE:Apps but I'm not entirely sure about the usecase17:28
jonwiltone-generator is used to generate DTMF tones AFAIK17:28
jonwilfor e.g. phone menus and stuff17:28
jonwilthere must be someone here who knows got and/or gitorius who can help me...17:28
alteregoSage: it's a dbus daemon that generates DTMF tones and pushes them through PA17:28
jonwilknows git17:28
alteregojonwil: sure I do.17:28
Sagealterego: Ok, lets say CE:Apps for now.17:28
lbtjonwil: did you try that?17:28
alteregojonwil: what project are you trying to push?17:28
jonwilok, so what do I type to make these commits?17:28
jonwilI cloned http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget using the git:// url given there17:29
jonwilnow I have changes locally I want to push17:29
jonwilI do have access rights to push to that17:29
lbtphaeron: so are you happy yet?17:30
jonwilaha, I know whats up, I am pushing from the wrong nox17:30
jonwilbox17:30
alteregolol17:30
jonwilgitorius is wanting me to push from my win box17:30
jonwilnot my linux box17:30
tanukStskeeps: Actually, http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/pulseaudio-parameter-module seems to actually contain a reimplementation of the parameter module that was used in Maemo.17:30
phaeronlbt: I am always happy17:30
lbt*g* .... with osc --rebuild?17:31
phaeronlbt: yeah it "works"17:31
phaerontoo tired to try a bigger a package now17:31
phaeronbut it does work17:31
lbtso w00t can try doing Qt stuff with it soon17:31
lbthttps://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/532717:31
jonwilhmmm nope, that doesn't work17:31
jonwilI still dont know the right way to do this :(17:32
w00t:-o?17:32
jonwilok, now I got it17:32
lbtw00t: you had problems with rpm rebuild times didn't you?17:32
jonwilor I should do17:32
jonwilhmmm now I gotta remember how to tell git about my local changes17:33
w00tlbt: a little, but more the process of having to shove patches over from my git tree to my packaging tree to build 'em17:33
lbtwell, to fix that you use git-pkg to ensure that osc pkg is essentially == git branch17:34
phaeronlbt: accepted request17:34
lbtand then build from git17:34
lbtphaeron: cool - now to wait for Core stuff17:35
OipoStskeeps, how long ago did you kick the Mer Automation back in action? There hasn't been an update yet.17:35
StskeepsOipo: you're building qt, it take stime17:35
OipoMore than 5 hours? Hrm.17:36
StskeepsOipo: it builds for i486,i586,armv6l,armv7hl,armv7l,mipsel17:36
Stskeepsit takes 40 mins each, ish17:36
OipoOh. That explains things.17:36
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jonwilheh, I find that rebuilding QT is a good way to stress test my old Pentium Gentoo box :)17:46
jonwilit always takes a good couple hours on that beast17:46
jonwila P4 1.4 isnt exactly fast :P17:47
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grammoboyis it possible to install Mer on n900 and how does it compare?17:58
OipoHuh. The Mer Automation tells me the libXt build is broken on i486, but the buildlog is empty: http://review.merproject.org/#change,71217:59
OipoI think it just doesn't like me :(17:59
StskeepsOipo: it gets a bit hiccupy at times18:00
Stskeepswe're working to improve18:00
OipoI still think it's biased, lol.18:01
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grammoboye.g. compare to maemo18:06
Stskeepsgrammoboy: Nemo is probably what you should look at instead18:06
grammoboyStskeeps, what is nemo?18:07
Stskeepswiki.merproject.org/Nemo18:07
grammoboyStskeeps, besides the little fishness18:07
StskeepsMer doesn't have a UI, it builds on top18:07
grammoboydo u know how nemo compares to maemo?18:07
PaimenStskeeps: ever came to your mind to add big letters to mainpage of mer, that says Mer does not have UI18:08
Stskeepsgrammoboy: maemo is end-user software, nemo isn't18:10
StskeepsPaimen: yes, and an animated film18:11
grammoboyok thx18:11
Venemodoes ConnMan still not support ad-hoc networks?18:11
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PaimenStskeeps: how about disclaimer that has that animated film and you cannot proceed to page until you have aknowledged that mer does not have UI :P18:34
Stskeepshehe18:34
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Paimenoh how I love my mother in law, she was suprised that it looks nice at our house after renovation. Like we would do things ugly on purpose18:40
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rubdosPaimen: lol18:42
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Stskeepshello wlo :)19:07
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wlohi Stskeeps19:16
Stskeepswlo: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?19:16
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wlothanks19:17
wloI bought a archos g9 to fiddle around with :-)19:17
Stskeepscool :)19:17
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rubdosStskeeps: you ask that to everybody? ;D19:52
Stskeepsrubdos: it's important to build community and be welcoming19:52
rubdosStskeeps: It is! I'd LOVE to have a Mer based device (cough cough Vivaldi cough)19:52
Stskeepsyeah, you'd have to ask them about that :)19:53
dm8tbrrubdos: archos gen9 is selling and can run mer/PA too19:53
* Stskeeps nods19:53
rubdosdm8tbr: I heard that archos isn't a very good tab...19:54
Stskeepsi think it's quite good, personally19:54
rubdosStskeeps: I'll give it a look...19:54
rubdosBut not now. Have to find a phone first. Seit Jolla, seit N919:55
dm8tbrrubdos: I'm partial. My personal opinion is that they do a very good job, both at multimedia codecs AND at GPL compliance AND community support19:55
Stskeepsand their engineers are mostly friendly19:56
Stskeeps:P19:56
alterego"mostly"? :)19:58
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rubdosdm8tbr: you mean archos?20:00
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dm8tbralterego: some have a quirky sense of humor :D20:01
dm8tbrrubdos: yes20:01
rubdosdm8tbr: I'll give it a look ;)20:02
rubdosgood night guys. Have to work tomorrow. Earn money for the N920:02
dm8tbr*nod*20:02
KaIRCI've always heard dm8tbr talk good about Archos, sometimes sounds like they'd pay hinm for peer advertising :p20:02
rubdosIs it true I can dual boot on the N9 with archlinux? :)20:02
rubdosKaIRC: haha :)20:02
dm8tbrKaIRC: that's why I said I'm partial20:02
rubdosNice community here :D20:02
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rubdosdm8tbr: lol20:02
dm8tbrKaIRC: never got moniez but have a pile of devices20:02
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KaIRCdm8tbr: yes, I rememeber seeing some with you20:04
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CosmoHillnight night21:57
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Oipo'night from me as well.22:01
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