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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:47 |
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| jonwil | morn | 06:49 |
| Paimen | morn | 06:49 |
| * Stskeeps hates drives that go from 6 hours to 12 hours due to traffic jams and so much rain you can't see out the front window.. | 06:51 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:51 |
| lpotter | especially on a motorcycle | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | motorcycle would have been semi-useful in the trafficjam | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:59 |
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| _av500_ | Stskeeps: vacation? | 07:10 |
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| Stskeeps | _av500_: tiny 2-day trip to polish coast | 07:22 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning kallaballa, phdeswer | 08:23 |
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| lbt | o/ | 08:25 |
| lbt | coffee | 08:25 |
| kallaballa | good morning :) | 08:26 |
| phdeswer | morning Stskeeps ! | 08:30 |
| phdeswer | Have gotten some work done I will try to push next week ;) | 08:30 |
| Venemo | heya | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | phdeswer: cool :) | 08:31 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, what do I do if my Mer SDK fell apart? | 08:39 |
| Venemo | I have no idea why. | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | what does it error with | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 08:40 |
| Venemo | ah | 08:40 |
| Venemo | it works after unmounting and re-mounting | 08:40 |
| Venemo | previously, it entered into a chroot but it appeared to be empty | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:41 |
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| Stskeeps | morn situ | 08:43 |
| situ | Hey morning.. how're you ? | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | fine, we came home 6 hours later than expected due to traffic jams and massive rain storm | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | so a bit tired today | 08:44 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, what exactly does 'sb2 -m sdk-install -R' do? why isn't 'sb2 zypper ...' enough? | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: it changes some modes so it behaves more like a target | 08:45 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, why, otherwise it doesn't behave like a target? | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: there's certain optimizations you can do for build | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | that makes it fast for cross compilation | 08:46 |
| Venemo | mhm | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | and hence it uses different fules | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | rules | 08:46 |
| Venemo | :) | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | for a root/target install you need to abstract as little as possible | 08:46 |
| Venemo | sounds understandable | 08:47 |
| Venemo | does the sdk cope well if I use 'sb2 make -j4' for building? i.e. can it actually utilize multiple cores? | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | if it doesn't, it's a bug | 08:49 |
| Venemo | I got this: http://fpaste.org/2MeO/ - is this the same thing as http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChangeInImplicitDSOLinking ? | 08:51 |
| Venemo | the question really is, does Mer have the same DSO linking behaviour as Fedora regarding implicit dependencies? | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | it helps application loading time -a lot- | 08:53 |
| Venemo | nice | 08:53 |
| Venemo | so I will only have to add x11 as an explicit link, right? | 08:54 |
| Venemo | okay | 08:55 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, can I add scp to the chroot somehow? | 08:55 |
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| Stskeeps | openssh-clients | 08:58 |
| Venemo | should I install that to the target or can I install it to the SDK itself? | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | install to sdk is probably saner | 09:02 |
| Venemo | how do I do that? | 09:02 |
| Venemo | simple zypper install inside the chroot? or? | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | yes, sudo zypper install | 09:03 |
| Venemo | all right | 09:06 |
| Venemo | another question, does it hurt if I give a password to the default user on the device (eg. the 'nemo' user or Nemo)? | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | you can, usually it's == root password | 09:07 |
| Venemo | ah, ok | 09:07 |
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| alterego | Oh, you're chatting here :p | 09:10 |
| Venemo | here too | 09:10 |
| kallaballa | whoa.. coffee kicks like a mule today. anyway.. could someone please guide me on triage? particulary: is there a guide for triage? who's supposed to do it? are 2 eyes enough? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | bug triage? | 09:13 |
| kallaballa | yes | 09:13 |
| phaeron | maybe you mean review ? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | bug triages happen every monday, basically | 09:14 |
| kallaballa | no.. i found the guide on review. i was just wondering if there is a mer specific guide on how to handle it | 09:14 |
| kallaballa | ic | 09:14 |
| kallaballa | thx | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | and we show up on irc and walk through new incoming and review lists of old ones | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | setting priority, commenting, or maybe grabbing the new bugs to start work on them | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | regarding reviews on review.merproject.org anybody can help review but currently i merge and stage | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | it goes in tempo like with mer releases, so when you've sent a change, just go on and do other things, set bug to RESOLVED/FIXED and link to change | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | and just react if reviews go bad eventually | 09:16 |
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| kallaballa | ok.. but yesterday i was working on a bug (#385) that resulted in the creation of a new bug report (#489). the new bug is not triaged but i'd have a proposal for a fix. should i just comment on it or does it make sense to implement it in a branch, even without triage? | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | just comment on it and do whatever needs to be done | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | mer processes aren't meant to slow down development :) | 09:21 |
| kallaballa | hehe great! | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | it just helps assess and triage so we don't forget things | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | it's better to know our bugs than to not | 09:21 |
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| lbt | off now ...bbiab | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | kallaballa: generally if you do controversial stuff a triage is a way to stop it in it's heels :) | 09:46 |
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| Stskeeps | hello linux_tom :) | 09:55 |
| linux_tom | hello Stskeeps | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | linux_tom: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 09:55 |
| linux_tom | :-) general interest. I develop on openWRT. I have plans of moving to a different platform | 09:56 |
| linux_tom | I read about jolla and tizen - they're both based on mer | 09:56 |
| linux_tom | at some point I'd like to contribute, and learn | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | not exactly, tizen is more complicated - tizen 1.0 is based on a debian deriative called samsung linux platform, tizen 2.0 is based on meego 1.2 + changes, and mer is based on meego 1.3 +_changes | 09:57 |
| situ | Stskeeps: Is Tizen based on Mer ? | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | jolla OS is based on mer though | 09:57 |
| linux_tom | oh, didn't know that | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | distribution ancestry is always fun | 09:58 |
| situ | I heard Samsung is going to merge Bada into Tizen, not sure why. | 09:58 |
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| Stskeeps | linux_tom: in practice, many projects just use the upstream projects anyway | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | and present/deliver/integrate in different ways | 09:59 |
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| kyyberi | Two chickens won't make an eagle :) | 09:59 |
| linux_tom | Tizen isn't exactly my type of platform. its "dilute" like android | 09:59 |
| linux_tom | with mer, is it possible to get a "linux-hacker" type OS? | 10:00 |
| linux_tom | with true root access? | 10:00 |
| situ | I hope so. | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but Mer is a bit different in many respect, it's just a core, no UI on top or hardware adaptations with in it | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | vendors take it and add hw adaptation and ui, and they have a product | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | so it's really up to them how they want to do things | 10:01 |
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| linux_tom | sounds ok . I guess an open UI project will come up soon | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | we have one called Nemo, others that put on top of Mer is Plasma Active, Cordia, etc | 10:02 |
| linux_tom | I'm not too sure about hardware adaptations - vendors tend to lock the underlying hardware. | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:04 |
| linux_tom | I'm looking forward to the day when phones will be as open as PCs. sadly, the trend seems to suggest otherwise. | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. well, we're doing ours to keep at least core part interesting | 10:05 |
| linux_tom | so, I'm on a slow internet connection presently. I'm downloading the mer SDK. it will take about an hour | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 10:06 |
| linux_tom | Stskeeps , may I know about your role ? | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | linux_tom: i'm the project architect of mer and semi-community manager | 10:07 |
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| linux_tom | cool . Thanks to people like you, the world becomes a better place :-) | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time | 10:09 |
| linux_tom | I definitely will. I'm looking for a new pet project, mer is the top candidate | 10:09 |
| linux_tom | question: are there any ready HW devices I can play with in the meantime? I'm not such a fan of virtual machines | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | well, what do you have? :) | 10:11 |
| linux_tom | I have wifi routers :-) , been running openWRT on them | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | any with >64mb ram and 2.6.32 and above? :P | 10:13 |
| linux_tom | yes, Ubiquiti RSPro, 128MB, presently running 3.3.8 | 10:14 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: trying to revive my old idea from meego times of routerUX? ;) | 10:14 |
| CosmoHill | routers of today outpower computers of yesterday | 10:14 |
| dm8tbr | yup, and they're as easy to 'root' IOW take control of as computers of yesterday | 10:15 |
| linux_tom | its really cool. http://www.ubnt.com/rspro | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | linux_tom: MIPS? | 10:15 |
| linux_tom | 680 MHz CPU | 10:15 |
| linux_tom | can be overclocked to 800 - never tried though | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i meant the architecture | 10:16 |
| linux_tom | atheros ar71xx | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | ah, mips32 | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | we have a mips port we need some validation of | 10:17 |
| linux_tom | cool , I'd be glad to assist | 10:18 |
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| kallaballa | just so that i don't run in the wrong direction... to work on the latest mic: osc branch Mer:Tools:Testing mic? | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | right, just remember there's a git tree too | 10:21 |
| kallaballa | you refere to the review tree? | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | no, hmm | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 10:23 |
| kallaballa | i mean: ssh://<yourlogin>@review.merproject.org:29418/ | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 10:24 |
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| kallaballa | ok.. thx :) | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | lbt would know | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | there's something weird about that git :) | 10:29 |
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| kallaballa | ok.. the change is going to be pretty isolated anyway. i'll try to ask him later and merge | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 10:32 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: What's the process to upgrade a package ? | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | situ: same as with any change, test it works somehow in a image and send the upgrade | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | in future we can offload that QA a bit but now we have to do good practice | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | hello priyan :) | 10:40 |
| priyan | hello Stskeeps | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | priyan: welcome :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time | 10:41 |
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| priyan | @Stskeeps: Thanks, I will.. | 10:42 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: (ERROR)[sb2d][5750]Lua interpreter PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (...120729-104622.eF5693/lua_scripts/init_modeconfig.lua:53: No exec policy selection table in /tmp/sb2-tswindell-20120729-104622.eF5693/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-build/config.lua)$ | 10:46 |
| alterego | sb2d: Lua interpreter PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (...120729-104622.eF5693/lua_scripts/init_modeconfig.lua:53: No exec policy selection table in /tmp/sb2-tswindell-20120729-104622.eF5693/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-build/config.lua) | 10:47 |
| alterego | any idea? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: looks like an old sdk? | 10:47 |
| alterego | Hmm, shouldn't be that old. /me checks | 10:47 |
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| alterego | Yeah, installed -latest and it works now. | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok, good | 10:59 |
| situ | Stskeeps: does the nemo image work fine in Virtualbox ? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | 'fine' | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | it has problems with compositor at times | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | ie, screen goes black | 11:00 |
| situ | Ok. | 11:01 |
| situ | I will try it today in VirtualBox. | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 11:01 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: done any mer work with busybox and uclibc? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: busybox yes, uclibc no | 11:06 |
| lbt | kallaballa: for mic we work against the git tree - then get it into Mer:Tools:Testing for others to try | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: .. yes, but what git tree? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | i can't find it in .spec | 11:06 |
| lbt | you know how I said sorting out the SDK and packages + process was high prio and we decided to do BOSS update and then quickbuild first... :) | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | i just can't find the git tree we used to do mic tarball, that's all :P | 11:07 |
| lbt | I am painfully aware of the mess around Tools and Mint :/ | 11:07 |
| lbt | I'll look | 11:08 |
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| kallaballa | ic. working against git first sounds good to me | 11:09 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Mic | 11:10 |
| kallaballa | lbt: thx! | 11:11 |
| lbt | kallaballa: I suggest creating a branch called mer-<release id> and putting any patches on there | 11:12 |
| lbt | branch that from the upstream <release> tag or sha1 | 11:12 |
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| lbt | then we'll create a tarball based on upstream and a set of patches for any changes we carry | 11:13 |
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| kallaballa | lbt: to get it right: 1. clone https://github.com/jfding/mic. 2. branch the corresponding upstream release. 3. patch it... ? | 11:20 |
| kallaballa | lbt: i get the part where you wanna keep patches referring to upstream... but i don't understand how i should regard already applied patches like that | 11:21 |
| lbt | no, clone mine | 11:21 |
| lbt | already applied patches? | 11:21 |
| kallaballa | lbt: ic... i'll just get the release tag from upstream | 11:21 |
| kallaballa | no | 11:22 |
| lbt | my clone should have any upstream tags too | 11:22 |
| lbt | until we get sorted, consider my clone the Mer Tools master | 11:22 |
| kallaballa | ok great | 11:23 |
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| kallaballa | tbl: fyi - i'm about to make mic ensure /etc/mtab is always a symlink to /proc/self/mounts. there seem to be quite a lot of cases where mtab is handled in mic. from top of your head, can u see a problem with that? | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | well, can't you just make sure it doesn't tamper with it? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | and instead do what the fs has in contents | 11:42 |
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| kallaballa | Stskeeps: If all the ks files do the linking that would work for "create". but e.g. entering a chroot would preserve a symlink (not a regular file) whereas leaving a chroot (cleanup) would delete it. | 11:50 |
| kallaballa | afaics i'll have to check/change/remove handling of mtab all over the code anyway - the question is if the ks files should be in charge of creating the symlink | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | kallaballa: generally, as an architect i need to be able to ensure that the contents of our packages is what it is, without image creator tampering it.. | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | what it is = what ends up in images | 11:51 |
| kallaballa | Stskeeps: ic. ks is in charge of mtab and not regarded a special file | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | well, as in, the rpm packages that get installed -> the content | 11:53 |
| phaeron | in this case the "filesystem" package ? | 11:54 |
| phaeron | right ? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | yes, well, i can't recall where sage said he put it | 11:54 |
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| Oipo | What does "rpc timeout" mean in a build log reported by the Mer Automation Single Build Checker? | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | means something fluked out | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | ie, overloaded obs | 12:21 |
| Oipo | Ah. | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | URL? | 12:21 |
| Oipo | http://review.merproject.org/#change,707 | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'll kick it again, moment | 12:22 |
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| Oipo | Lol, I imagine you actually kicking a machine or something. | 12:23 |
| * Stskeeps looks to the side | 12:24 | |
| Stskeeps | tanuk: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/pulseaudio-parameter-module | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't this module, at least in meego, closed? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: it should be re-running the check | 12:30 |
| Oipo | Yeah. I'll await an email in my inbox for whenever the check is done. | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | dzien dobry fk_lx | 12:35 |
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| jonwil | ok, that's another piece of formerly closed n900 code exposed to the world :) | 12:37 |
| jonwil | Just made a tool to grab the bluetooth MAC address from CAL and send it to the kernel | 12:37 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, http://www.fpaste.org/4XNy/ | 12:42 |
| Venemo | "Package git-1.7.7-2.1 seems to be corrupted during transfer." -> 4 times in a row | 12:42 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: god eftermiddag | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: interesting | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | bug please | 12:43 |
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| Venemo | k | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | hello shuk :) | 12:48 |
| shuk | Hi | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | shuk: welcome :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out | 12:49 |
| shuk | I have some troubles with Meego OBS and specify, can I ask questions about it in this channel? | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | sure :) | 12:51 |
| lbt | having problems here | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mm? | 12:55 |
| lbt | grep is trying to eat the internet (grep is one of the new kittens) | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:55 |
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| shuk | I am working on NEMO#215 bug, I created patch, updated .yaml file, .changes file and genereted new .spec file. After I checked in into OBS, it gives error "nothing provides %{_bindir}/desktop-file-install". I checked .spec file diff, and noticed, that specify changed "BuildRequires: desktop-file-utils" to "BuildRequires: %{_bindir}/desktop-file-install". How can I fix this build error? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | did you use mer platform sdk? | 12:57 |
| shuk | yes | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | and specify within it? | 12:57 |
| shuk | yes | 12:57 |
| shuk | Here is full diff https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=heliumreborn&project=home%3Ashuk%3Abranches%3ACE%3AApps%3AMTF&rev=3 | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | sandst1: ^ | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | err | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ^ | 12:59 |
| shuk | I don't want to change .spec file manually, because I think it is wrong) | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | it's OK within the >> and <<'s | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | but i think that looks like a bug | 13:00 |
| shuk | Ok, thank you, I will try to investigate it then. | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | can you see if it works if you manually edit %{_bindir} to /usr/bin ? | 13:04 |
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| shuk | Ok, I will try it | 13:05 |
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| kallaballa | there seems to be another issue with mic in HEAD: https://gist.github.com/3198670 | 13:10 |
| kallaballa | fileing a report.. | 13:10 |
| shuk | No, it didn't help, as well as just desktop-file-install | 13:10 |
| Oipo | Huh, that's an interesting bug. | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | shuk: and with desktop-file-utils? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | kallaballa: HEAD from upstream, or from mer? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | we added i486 support, afak | 13:11 |
| Oipo | I think that command worked on my machine. Hmm. | 13:12 |
| Oipo | kallaballa, yeah, I can't reproduce that. | 13:14 |
| shuk | Stskeeps: with desktop-file-utils it succeeded | 13:15 |
| Oipo | kallaballa, are you using mic from the platform SDK? | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | shuk: interesting | 13:15 |
| kallaballa | Stskeeps: https://github.com/lbt/mic | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | kallaballa: isn't there a mer branch? | 13:15 |
| kallaballa | Oipo: yes | 13:15 |
| * Oipo scratches head | 13:16 | |
| * jussi waves to Stskeeps | 13:16 | |
| kallaballa | Stskeeps: no.. just master | 13:17 |
| kallaballa | ill retry from scratch | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | lo jussi | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | kallaballa: alright, git branch -l | 13:18 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: hows things? | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: good, overheated atm though | 13:19 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: ++ | 13:19 |
| jussi | Im overheated and overfrustrated | 13:19 |
| fk_lx | jussi: don't be overfrustrated, tomorrow (or even tonight) everything will be better :-) | 13:21 |
| jussi | fk_lx: true true, I wish I could just get the damn nemo installed though :/ | 13:21 |
| fk_lx | fk_lx: I should try Nemo it looks really nice and it probably would do my N900 more usable :-) | 13:23 |
| fk_lx | upps I am talking to myself ;-) | 13:24 |
| jussi | :D | 13:24 |
| LoCusF | /n | 13:24 |
| shuk | Stskeeps: yes, when I changed "BuildRequires: %{_bindir}/desktop-file-install" to "BuildRequires: desktop-file-utils" build was successful, and binary is good, at least for i586 | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | shuk: ok, that's for sure a bug.. | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | shuk: please file it against spectacle | 13:25 |
| kallaballa | Stskeeps: only master available. locally as remotely. i'm setting about a gist with precise instructions on how to reproduce | 13:25 |
| shuk | Stskeeps: ok, and what about my fix? should I wait for spectacle fix, ar submit it now "as is"? | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | kallaballa: hmm, intruiging | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: if grep hasn't cut your wire yet, ^ | 13:27 |
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| phaeron | wasn't master in sage's repo ? | 13:27 |
| phaeron | Sage: did you take over mic development ? | 13:27 |
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| Oipo | Ah yes, the mic from lbt's git does exhibit the bad behaviour, but the mic included in SDK doesn't. | 13:34 |
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| Oipo | Peculiarity: mic version in SDK is 0.8 and from git 0.7git | 13:35 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: nop... she's gone back to sleep with top | 13:38 |
| kallaballa | how to reproduce it: https://gist.github.com/3198886 | 13:42 |
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| alterego | lbt: ping | 13:50 |
| lbt | pong | 13:50 |
| alterego | I'm trying to implement a patch for mer-sdk-chroot script, playing around with getopts, doesn't seem to be acting right :/ | 13:51 |
| alterego | If I put echo "$*" after shift $((OPTIND - 1)) it's just outputing all of the parameters, not just the remaining ones not processed by getopts :) | 13:51 |
| * alterego has no idea what's going on .. | 13:54 | |
| alterego | Actually, it's working now | 13:55 |
| alterego | Must have done something stupid. | 13:55 |
| lbt | *g* | 13:55 |
| Oipo | Oh, I love those moments the best. | 13:55 |
| lbt | it's the "oh bollox - how do I say this without looking like a complete dufus" internal conversation... | 13:56 |
| kallaballa | tbl: just to be sure - https://github.com/lbt/mic master is the HEAD of Mer mic? | 13:57 |
| lbt | kallaballa: I've not checked | 13:57 |
| alterego | Actually, it's just how getopts works, I thought it would handle "mer-sdk-chroot enter -u user -r blah" but it doesn't all parameters have to go _before_ the positional parameters. | 13:57 |
| kallaballa | lbt: hehe.. how can i be sure? | 13:57 |
| lbt | kallaballa: it's a bit embarrasing atm ... I know Tools needs sorting | 13:58 |
| alterego | so it has to be "mer-sdk-chroot -u user -r blah enter" | 13:58 |
| Oipo | Honestly, I doubt that kallaballa. The version which is included in the platform SDK is different than the one on lbt's git. Not to mention that the bug only happens on lbt's git. | 13:58 |
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| alterego | lbt: so basically, I think the command usage documentation is wrong .. | 13:58 |
| kallaballa | lbt: no problem... i'm just trying to find my way around | 13:58 |
| kallaballa | Oipo: thought it might be the result of recent patch. didn't track it down yet | 13:59 |
| alterego | lbt: I'll fix the script don't worry ;) | 13:59 |
| lbt | alterego: sec | 13:59 |
| Oipo | kallaballa, that's certainly a possibility. But I suspect the git's a bit outdated. Merely a suspicion though. | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can you check your local git if you forgot to push it to github? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | for mic | 14:00 |
| kallaballa | Oipo: ok. thx :) | 14:00 |
| alterego | lbt: basically to be right, I think "enter" is going to have to be mandatory. | 14:01 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yep .... the problem with doing it all on your own is that when other people start to join in you realise how many shortcuts you've taken :) | 14:02 |
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| phaeron | kallaballa: https://github.com/jfding/mic seems to be the most recent with tags upto 0.12 , if you can check that has the bugs or not , patch it, test it , and send an updated package to OBS :) | 14:02 |
| lbt | phaeron: no packages to OBS | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: good thing we have newcomers to look at our dirty hacks then :P | 14:02 |
| lbt | all Tools must go via git first | 14:02 |
| phaeron | lbt: please define where that git is | 14:02 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yep - very happy about it | 14:02 |
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| lbt | phaeron: currently mine as per the wiki | 14:03 |
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| phaeron | lbt: which is older than what is in the sdk | 14:03 |
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| lbt | yep | 14:03 |
| lbt | but I'm not permitting any more shortcuts to OBS | 14:03 |
| phaeron | so you haven't been following your own process | 14:03 |
| lbt | correct... I am evil | 14:03 |
| CosmoHill | i knew it! | 14:04 |
| * Oipo chuckles | 14:04 | |
| phaeron | ok I hope you try to make it a bit easier for contributors like kallaballa :) | 14:04 |
| lbt | I will really try | 14:04 |
| phaeron | thank you | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: please file task bugs on things that ought to be done, as well | 14:04 |
| * Stskeeps offers lbt cookies | 14:04 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yep - I have "SDK" as top prio for next week | 14:04 |
| Oipo | Stskeeps, just piling on more on his TODO list, eh? :P | 14:04 |
| lbt | first I need to submit 'build' | 14:05 |
| lbt | which *should* be in Tools Mr Architect :) | 14:05 |
| lbt | but it's in Core :/ | 14:05 |
| lbt | and I have been building the obs-build which != Core build | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: 'build' is part of prjconf, i think | 14:05 |
| lbt | yeah - it's nothing we can fix yet | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | if it's not, it can go to tools without big issue | 14:06 |
| lbt | I just was working against our OBS-build, not core-build | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:06 |
| lbt | we need a shared src with packaging for both Mer and Suse - and we're close | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | Support: build build-compare | 14:07 |
| shuk | Please, can you tell me, what is http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/spectacle.git;a=summary git repo link? I cand find it =) | 14:07 |
| * lbt hides | 14:07 | |
| lbt | but luckily that's Sage | 14:07 |
| lbt | well, spectacle is Sage, my half-finished gitweb area isn't | 14:08 |
| shuk | so, there is not public repo for spectacle? | 14:10 |
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| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Spectacle | 14:11 |
| shuk | oh, thank you very much | 14:11 |
| lbt | alterego: seen https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs/commits/master/mer-sdk-chroot | 14:12 |
| Oipo | The wiki talks about a bug in the OBS on https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail#Branch_the_package_to_work_on_it | 14:16 |
| Oipo | But it's not there anymore? | 14:16 |
| Oipo | At least, I don't seem to have to do the osc meta pr thingy. I guess it can be removed from wiki? | 14:16 |
| Oipo | Oh, no, I already did it once before. Ah, disregard my previous lines. | 14:18 |
| alterego | lbt: what am I looking at? | 14:18 |
| phaeron | kallaballa: so I guess the correct thing to do is fork jfding's git as he is upstream , test functionality and packaging and send a merge request to lbt's git so he can push it to OBS | 14:20 |
| lbt | Oipo: thought so | 14:20 |
| lbt | alterego: confirming you had that repo | 14:20 |
| alterego | Oh, no I didn't so that's where I submit MRs? | 14:20 |
| lbt | yes | 14:20 |
| lbt | I need to check I've pushed | 14:21 |
| lbt | phaeron: in general we should clone the Mer git, not the upstream one | 14:21 |
| lbt | it may be appropriate to have a remote pointing upstream to do version upgrades | 14:21 |
| phaeron | lbt: we need to start somewhere :) | 14:22 |
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| shuk | If you face spectacle, generating "BuildRequires: %{_bindir}/desktop-file-install", just download latest spectacle from OBS | 14:29 |
| alterego | Well, fixed the argument/usage issue, so now it should act like it should ;) | 14:29 |
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| shuk | I checked it's sources, this bug was fixed, but it looks like updated packege wasn't included to SDK's repos | 14:29 |
| kallaballa | lbt & phaeron: i'm a bit confused. i'd be glad to help you resolve the issue, but i'm lacking overview a lot :D.... | 14:30 |
| alterego | Now to add "mer-sdk-chroot exec" | 14:30 |
| lbt | kallaballa: frankly it's me not having organised the Tools process and repos | 14:30 |
| kallaballa | if there ain't a clear road to go down for now, i've no problem with waiting and looking for another task | 14:30 |
| lbt | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/image-creator has Sage's push for multiple architectures | 14:31 |
| lbt | in mic that is | 14:31 |
| kallaballa | ok.. ill get that one patch it and test it against sdk-platform and reference kickstarters? | 14:32 |
| lbt | I think that's mic2 | 14:34 |
| lbt | btw mic has bloody stupid naming history | 14:35 |
| lbt | mic, mic2, then mic again - all totally different codebases | 14:35 |
| alterego | And "mer-sdk-chroot exec" is implemented :) | 14:45 |
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| alterego | lbt: sent MR | 14:51 |
| lbt | ty | 14:51 |
| alterego | My bash foo is probably quite amateurish, but it works :P | 14:51 |
| alterego | It even preserves the command return status .. Which otherwise makes qt-creator complain with my integration stuffs. | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | hello k4rl :) | 14:52 |
| k4rl | hi ;] | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | k4rl: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 14:55 |
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| k4rl | just installed nemo on my n900 and thought i should check irc if sometnig is going on with this project | 14:57 |
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| Stskeeps | sure | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | #nemomobile also exists | 14:58 |
| k4rl | yeah im in both rooms | 14:59 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: does sb2-config have anyway of outputting the targets root directory | 15:00 |
| alterego | ? | 15:00 |
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| lbt | alterego: close but a few issues | 15:05 |
| alterego | Okay | 15:05 |
| lbt | minor: usage string + formatting | 15:05 |
| lbt | more important: the pid is never cleaned up | 15:05 |
| lbt | if there's an error it exits w/o cleaning | 15:06 |
| alterego | Hmm | 15:06 |
| lbt | if it succeeds it uses exec so never continues | 15:06 |
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| lbt | I'd be tempted to tweak the "enter" case to handle both too - lots of duplication | 15:07 |
| lbt | I suggest error handling the syntax earlier too | 15:07 |
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| lbt | I've also pushed the local tree that I had been working on | 15:08 |
| lbt | just 2 small commits on it | 15:08 |
| alterego | m'kay | 15:08 |
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| kallaballa | tbl: fyi: i just bisected through the history of https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/image-creator but i couldn't find a match for the currently packaged mic. | 15:25 |
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| phaeron | kallaballa: what lbt was trying to say is that the image-creator aka "mic2" on gitorious has nothing in common with the new one we are using aka "mic". The intel people made a bad decision calling the first one mic2 and the second one mic | 15:28 |
| phaeron | it is a complete rewrite | 15:28 |
| kallaballa | phaeron: ohhh thx | 15:29 |
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| Venemo | lol | 15:30 |
| lbt | kallaballa: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Mic explains the stupid names | 15:32 |
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| Venemo | okay! I have a working status bar in lipstick. | 15:33 |
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| alterego | Last stage, deployment and running. | 15:41 |
| kallaballa | lbt: i'll have a look | 15:41 |
| alterego | Venemo: neat :) | 15:45 |
| Venemo | alterego, the only issue is (so far) that nothing happens when you click on it :P | 15:50 |
| alterego | Heh, well, that isn't _that_ important ;) | 15:51 |
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| Oipo | I assume there's no issue with me taking on multiple bug reports while the other ones are in review? | 15:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Oipo: that's normal to do | 16:04 |
| Oipo | Right-o. | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | once it's in review, it's just about responding to review problems | 16:05 |
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| alterego | lbt: I've managed to get qtcreator to build a project using sb2 through the mer-sdk, transfer it to an N950 running nemo, and execute it :) | 16:15 |
| lbt | very neat | 16:16 |
| alterego | lbt: Aard said to mention it to you wrt SDK work. :) | 16:16 |
| lbt | yep - I saw | 16:16 |
| lbt | can you outline the steps | 16:16 |
| alterego | I was going to write a wikipage about it. | 16:16 |
| alterego | But as you can imagine, it relies on that mer-sdk-chroot exec patch | 16:16 |
| lbt | OK - mark it WIP and at the top note any blockers | 16:17 |
| alterego | Okay | 16:17 |
| Aard | alterego: important part is to sync about bugs in jolla bugzilla with lbt, since that's something which will at least partially be done in paid time | 16:18 |
| Oipo | I just found out that there's a new patch for libtiff, but it didn't have any description in it. Is this an acceptable patch format? https://gist.github.com/3200015 | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: err.. | 16:18 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: we need at least metabugs for some of the open stuff. | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: yes, but not sure why we're discussing that here ;) | 16:19 |
| Aard | because it's not a secret? | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: if it fixes a CVE, feel free to include it | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | hello rubdos | 16:20 |
| Oipo | It does indeed. Should I simply add a new commit and add it to review -- creating two reviews for libtiff? Because the other one is a simple update to libtiff and I already pushed that. | 16:20 |
| rubdos | Stskeeps: hi | 16:20 |
| rubdos | Hi everybody, btw | 16:20 |
| Oipo | Hey. | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | rubdos: welcome :) so what brings you to #mer ? | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: lay it on top of your existing push (see Contribution_in_detail) | 16:21 |
| rubdos | Stskeeps: N9 :) | 16:21 |
| rubdos | Stskeeps: I'm buying an N | 16:21 |
| rubdos | 9 this week | 16:21 |
| Oipo | Okay. | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | rubdos: hehe, a good start. If you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask | 16:21 |
| rubdos | Stskeeps: Exactly | 16:21 |
| rubdos | Tell me =D | 16:21 |
| rubdos | If you need help, call me on IRC/... I can translate to Dutch if needed? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | sure, start by hanging out to get to know more :) | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | we don't really translate Mer itself, as it doesn't have UIs | 16:22 |
| rubdos | Stskeeps: roger. Added to default IRC list :p | 16:22 |
| rubdos | I heard from a company today of former Nokia employees, who're starting some cool new stuff? :D | 16:23 |
| rubdos | Can't wait to hear about it! | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, there's quite a few of those companies | 16:23 |
| rubdos | Is it? But the company I heard about 'Jolla', I think, 'will be the Ferrari of smartphones' | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:25 |
| rubdos | I read today :-) | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | #jollamobile for discussion of Jolla, we do the Core that Jolla OS uses here though :) | 16:25 |
| rubdos | Stskeeps: Yeh, that's it indeed. Also added to default IRC :p | 16:26 |
| rubdos | Stskeeps: My nokia 6085 is getting old. Should I buy a N9 or wait until Jolla releases their first phone? ;) | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | do you need a phone now? | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:30 |
| Aard | rubdos: depends on if you promise to buy a jolla phone as well in a few months ;) | 16:30 |
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| rubdos | Aard: lol If you can tell me what 'a few months' means... | 16:32 |
| rubdos | Problem is, I can't call myself a nerd with such a brick phone ;D | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | it's good in a fight | 16:33 |
| lbt | phaeron: here is good too | 16:33 |
| linux_tom | I have used the same phone for 2 years now. Ever since M$ took over Nokia, nothing out there seems suitable | 16:33 |
| rubdos | Stskeeps: true | 16:33 |
| rubdos | linux_tom: That's why we love jolla, right? | 16:33 |
| lbt | Oipo: note that wiki page has info about re-submit | 16:33 |
| linux_tom | rubdos : thats why we're hoping Jolla fulfils its promise | 16:34 |
| Oipo | lbt, yup. Already done so :) | 16:34 |
| lbt | Oipo: np then - easy to miss | 16:34 |
| linux_tom | I hope they bring something with the N900 formfactor - I love keypads :-) | 16:34 |
| Oipo | lbt, doesn't hurt to check twice. | 16:35 |
| lbt | phaeron: I think the rpm copypac failed to MTT | 16:35 |
| rubdos | linux_tom: fact | 16:35 |
| phaeron | lbt: ok .. what do we do now ? | 16:35 |
| lbt | redoing the copy now | 16:35 |
| rubdos | I don't know if I could help with anything... Any jobs for a lightweight c++/php/html5 programmer/scripter? I also do some Javascript/jQuery | 16:35 |
| CosmoHill | rubdos: you a webdev then? | 16:36 |
| rubdos | CosmoHill: most of the time, I am | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | rubdos: check out the topic for interesting tasks | 16:36 |
| CosmoHill | can ?I see a portfolio? | 16:36 |
| rubdos | I love web interfaces. Easy to do :) | 16:36 |
| rubdos | CosmoHill: Sorry, don't have one... | 16:37 |
| lbt | phaeron: also http://review.merproject.org/#change,710 | 16:37 |
| CosmoHill | :o, interfaces aren't my thing but programming stuff is :) | 16:37 |
| lbt | phaeron: "oops" https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting | 16:39 |
| linux_tom | am I right in thinking mer isn't targeting mobile phones alone, but embedded devices in general? | 16:39 |
| lbt | linux_tom: correct | 16:40 |
| lbt | http://www.merproject.org/ | 16:40 |
| linux_tom | cool. I'm still building my SDK. slow internet - will probably complete it tomorrow at work. | 16:40 |
| lbt | linux_tom: the download will shrink soon | 16:41 |
| linux_tom | how about compiling from source? do you provide that option? | 16:42 |
| lbt | kinda | 16:42 |
| linux_tom | link to svn/git? | 16:42 |
| lbt | it's not a normal day-to-day thing to do - but vendors may want to setup a build farm to do it | 16:42 |
| phaeron | lbt: you did wipebinaries ? | 16:42 |
| phaeron | ah , well everything depends on rpm | 16:43 |
| lbt | phaeron: rebuilt rpm ... it has a few build-deps... | 16:43 |
| lbt | inverse | 16:43 |
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| lbt | linux_tom: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/ | 16:43 |
| linux_tom | thanks | 16:45 |
| lbt | phaeron: good to go now | 16:47 |
| rubdos | I can have an N9 64GB black for €399 and a N9 16GB black for €349 | 16:48 |
| phaeron | lbt: trying | 16:49 |
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| lbt | phaeron: eat isn't the best - try something compiled | 16:51 |
| phaeron | ok | 16:53 |
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| lbt | phaeron: it's working fine for me now | 17:06 |
| phaeron | doing first --rebuild now | 17:07 |
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| phaeron | does it do a make clean ? | 17:09 |
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| phaeron | ah _requires_ rsync ? | 17:10 |
| phaeron | lbt: ^^ | 17:11 |
| lbt | yep | 17:11 |
| lbt | I use : osc build -o --rebuild --rsync-src=. --rsync-dest=/home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/. Mer_Core_i486 i586 | 17:12 |
| lbt | and yes, we can default that | 17:12 |
| alterego | lbt: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/User:Tswindell/Qt_Creator_And_Mer_Integration | 17:20 |
| Sage | lbt: btw, about the mer gitweb. If I say "That is only for Mer packaging of the upstream sources and shouldn't be considered as upstream code git tree." how wrong am I? | 17:20 |
| lbt | currently you are correct - soon I hope that will be fixed and it will contain both | 17:21 |
| Sage | what I'm trying to say would it be better to call it http://packaging.merproject.org/gitweb/ and then the possible upstream website separately? | 17:21 |
| lbt | no | 17:21 |
| lbt | We should have both packaging and code in the same gitweb | 17:21 |
| lbt | see http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/osc.git;a=summary | 17:22 |
| jonwil | anyone here who can help me commit my local changes to gitorius? | 17:22 |
| tanuk | Stskeeps: Re: "wasn't this module, at least in meego, closed?" -- It was closed in Fremantle, but in Harmattan it was part of the pulseuaudio-meego source package (which was open source). I'm not sure about Meego. | 17:22 |
| jonwil | I forget how I am supposed to commit it | 17:22 |
| lbt | jonwil: usually : git push origin | 17:23 |
| Sage | lbt: hmmp... I see your point. Not sure though if I agree with the solution as it seems to me that it might become messy that way. | 17:24 |
| lbt | it can't become messy | 17:24 |
| lbt | the trees are distinct | 17:24 |
| lbt | so we have distinct source and packaging trees that cannot be out of sync | 17:25 |
| jonwil | which module are you referring to tanuk? | 17:25 |
| tanuk | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/pulseaudio-parameter-module | 17:25 |
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| lbt | Sage: not only that, if we (or vendors) have to package code for another distro then we can have discrete branches for, say, Mer and Suse (eg for 'build') | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk: ok | 17:27 |
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| alterego | Sage: what project am I pushing tone-generator to? | 17:27 |
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| jonwil | when I do git push origin it says "git:// is read only" | 17:27 |
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| Sage | alterego: what it is used for? I would say CE:Apps but I'm not entirely sure about the usecase | 17:28 |
| jonwil | tone-generator is used to generate DTMF tones AFAIK | 17:28 |
| jonwil | for e.g. phone menus and stuff | 17:28 |
| jonwil | there must be someone here who knows got and/or gitorius who can help me... | 17:28 |
| alterego | Sage: it's a dbus daemon that generates DTMF tones and pushes them through PA | 17:28 |
| jonwil | knows git | 17:28 |
| alterego | jonwil: sure I do. | 17:28 |
| Sage | alterego: Ok, lets say CE:Apps for now. | 17:28 |
| lbt | jonwil: did you try that? | 17:28 |
| alterego | jonwil: what project are you trying to push? | 17:28 |
| jonwil | ok, so what do I type to make these commits? | 17:28 |
| jonwil | I cloned http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget using the git:// url given there | 17:29 |
| jonwil | now I have changes locally I want to push | 17:29 |
| jonwil | I do have access rights to push to that | 17:29 |
| lbt | phaeron: so are you happy yet? | 17:30 |
| jonwil | aha, I know whats up, I am pushing from the wrong nox | 17:30 |
| jonwil | box | 17:30 |
| alterego | lol | 17:30 |
| jonwil | gitorius is wanting me to push from my win box | 17:30 |
| jonwil | not my linux box | 17:30 |
| tanuk | Stskeeps: Actually, http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/pulseaudio-parameter-module seems to actually contain a reimplementation of the parameter module that was used in Maemo. | 17:30 |
| phaeron | lbt: I am always happy | 17:30 |
| lbt | *g* .... with osc --rebuild? | 17:31 |
| phaeron | lbt: yeah it "works" | 17:31 |
| phaeron | too tired to try a bigger a package now | 17:31 |
| phaeron | but it does work | 17:31 |
| lbt | so w00t can try doing Qt stuff with it soon | 17:31 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5327 | 17:31 |
| jonwil | hmmm nope, that doesn't work | 17:31 |
| jonwil | I still dont know the right way to do this :( | 17:32 |
| w00t | :-o? | 17:32 |
| jonwil | ok, now I got it | 17:32 |
| lbt | w00t: you had problems with rpm rebuild times didn't you? | 17:32 |
| jonwil | or I should do | 17:32 |
| jonwil | hmmm now I gotta remember how to tell git about my local changes | 17:33 |
| w00t | lbt: a little, but more the process of having to shove patches over from my git tree to my packaging tree to build 'em | 17:33 |
| lbt | well, to fix that you use git-pkg to ensure that osc pkg is essentially == git branch | 17:34 |
| phaeron | lbt: accepted request | 17:34 |
| lbt | and then build from git | 17:34 |
| lbt | phaeron: cool - now to wait for Core stuff | 17:35 |
| Oipo | Stskeeps, how long ago did you kick the Mer Automation back in action? There hasn't been an update yet. | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: you're building qt, it take stime | 17:35 |
| Oipo | More than 5 hours? Hrm. | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: it builds for i486,i586,armv6l,armv7hl,armv7l,mipsel | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | it takes 40 mins each, ish | 17:36 |
| Oipo | Oh. That explains things. | 17:36 |
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| jonwil | heh, I find that rebuilding QT is a good way to stress test my old Pentium Gentoo box :) | 17:46 |
| jonwil | it always takes a good couple hours on that beast | 17:46 |
| jonwil | a P4 1.4 isnt exactly fast :P | 17:47 |
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| grammoboy | is it possible to install Mer on n900 and how does it compare? | 17:58 |
| Oipo | Huh. The Mer Automation tells me the libXt build is broken on i486, but the buildlog is empty: http://review.merproject.org/#change,712 | 17:59 |
| Oipo | I think it just doesn't like me :( | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: it gets a bit hiccupy at times | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | we're working to improve | 18:00 |
| Oipo | I still think it's biased, lol. | 18:01 |
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| grammoboy | e.g. compare to maemo | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | grammoboy: Nemo is probably what you should look at instead | 18:06 |
| grammoboy | Stskeeps, what is nemo? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.merproject.org/Nemo | 18:07 |
| grammoboy | Stskeeps, besides the little fishness | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | Mer doesn't have a UI, it builds on top | 18:07 |
| grammoboy | do u know how nemo compares to maemo? | 18:07 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: ever came to your mind to add big letters to mainpage of mer, that says Mer does not have UI | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | grammoboy: maemo is end-user software, nemo isn't | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: yes, and an animated film | 18:11 |
| grammoboy | ok thx | 18:11 |
| Venemo | does ConnMan still not support ad-hoc networks? | 18:11 |
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| Paimen | Stskeeps: how about disclaimer that has that animated film and you cannot proceed to page until you have aknowledged that mer does not have UI :P | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:34 |
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| Paimen | oh how I love my mother in law, she was suprised that it looks nice at our house after renovation. Like we would do things ugly on purpose | 18:40 |
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| rubdos | Paimen: lol | 18:42 |
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| Stskeeps | hello wlo :) | 19:07 |
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| wlo | hi Stskeeps | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | wlo: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 19:16 |
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| wlo | thanks | 19:17 |
| wlo | I bought a archos g9 to fiddle around with :-) | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | cool :) | 19:17 |
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| rubdos | Stskeeps: you ask that to everybody? ;D | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | rubdos: it's important to build community and be welcoming | 19:52 |
| rubdos | Stskeeps: It is! I'd LOVE to have a Mer based device (cough cough Vivaldi cough) | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, you'd have to ask them about that :) | 19:53 |
| dm8tbr | rubdos: archos gen9 is selling and can run mer/PA too | 19:53 |
| * Stskeeps nods | 19:53 | |
| rubdos | dm8tbr: I heard that archos isn't a very good tab... | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's quite good, personally | 19:54 |
| rubdos | Stskeeps: I'll give it a look... | 19:54 |
| rubdos | But not now. Have to find a phone first. Seit Jolla, seit N9 | 19:55 |
| dm8tbr | rubdos: I'm partial. My personal opinion is that they do a very good job, both at multimedia codecs AND at GPL compliance AND community support | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | and their engineers are mostly friendly | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:56 |
| alterego | "mostly"? :) | 19:58 |
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| rubdos | dm8tbr: you mean archos? | 20:00 |
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| dm8tbr | alterego: some have a quirky sense of humor :D | 20:01 |
| dm8tbr | rubdos: yes | 20:01 |
| rubdos | dm8tbr: I'll give it a look ;) | 20:02 |
| rubdos | good night guys. Have to work tomorrow. Earn money for the N9 | 20:02 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 20:02 |
| KaIRC | I've always heard dm8tbr talk good about Archos, sometimes sounds like they'd pay hinm for peer advertising :p | 20:02 |
| rubdos | Is it true I can dual boot on the N9 with archlinux? :) | 20:02 |
| rubdos | KaIRC: haha :) | 20:02 |
| dm8tbr | KaIRC: that's why I said I'm partial | 20:02 |
| rubdos | Nice community here :D | 20:02 |
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| rubdos | dm8tbr: lol | 20:02 |
| dm8tbr | KaIRC: never got moniez but have a pile of devices | 20:02 |
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| KaIRC | dm8tbr: yes, I rememeber seeing some with you | 20:04 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 21:57 |
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| Oipo | 'night from me as well. | 22:01 |
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