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| iekku | morning | 05:34 |
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| timoph | morning | 05:34 |
| Paimen | morning | 05:36 |
| kyyberi | morn | 05:36 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 05:41 |
| Stskeeps | zzz | 05:42 |
| * iekku offers Stskeeps some coffee | 05:45 | |
| timoph | I'm pretty sure that 90% of open source code wouldn't exist without coffee | 05:46 |
| Paimen | timoph: but some of it could be better without alcohol :P | 05:47 |
| timoph | :) | 05:47 |
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| Paimen | http://xkcd.com/323/ | 05:48 |
| Paimen | classic | 05:48 |
| timoph | yeah | 05:48 |
| Paimen | but yeah lot of coffee have beel flowing this morning when I try to understand qt5 branch of tdriver | 05:48 |
| * timoph reading qmf docs | 05:49 | |
| iekku | timoph, that f***g lumia didn't charge itself during night | 05:50 |
| timoph | :) | 05:50 |
| iekku | so it seems i can't take it | 05:51 |
| timoph | you could make a piece of art from it: 1) nail it to a 2x4 2) frame it 3) hand it to wall next to your workdesk to remind why you're not doing nokia work anymore | 05:53 |
| Paimen | :D | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i know people normally hit moose on motorways.. but did you ever have a stork be in low flight in front of your car? | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | (we didnt hit it but it was -low-) | 05:55 |
| iekku | stork? | 05:56 |
| Paimen | iekku: haikara | 05:57 |
| timoph | iekku: there creatures that bring you babies I believe :p | 05:57 |
| timoph | s/there/the/ | 05:57 |
| iekku | i don't belive in babies, so haven't seen any stork | 05:57 |
| timoph | :) | 05:57 |
| iekku | wait what? | 05:57 |
| iekku | Paimen, haven't heard earlier | 05:58 |
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| Paimen | oh well, this bungle of messy code needs to wait for next monday | 06:23 |
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| Paimen | hmm s/bungle/bundle | 06:25 |
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| Bostik | iekku: those creatures are usually called "midwives" I believe | 07:09 |
| Oipo | 9 AM and talking about midwives. | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | and storks | 07:10 |
| Oipo | Someone got visited by a stork? | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | i had a near hit with one while driving | 07:12 |
| Oipo | Oh man. Well, good way to wake up, no? With a bit of adrenaline instead of caffeine. | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 07:12 |
| kyyberi | :) | 07:20 |
| * iekku prefers caffeine | 07:20 | |
| Oipo | Yep. Me too. *sips* | 07:22 |
| timoph | hmmh | 07:22 |
| * timoph starts listening Turmion Kätilöt | 07:23 | |
| Stskeeps | development on irc can be a bit dry at times so if you manage to get a virtual office kind of feel, it helps a lot :P | 07:23 |
| Oipo | Oh yes, I've been an IRC guy for about a decade now. I've seen communities come and go, sadly. | 07:24 |
| Oipo | But in almost all of them, a feeling of homeliness formed somehow. I guess it's just that which makes people come back, no? | 07:25 |
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| iekku | hmmm, should i listen to some punk | 07:28 |
| iekku | or wait until evening | 07:28 |
| Paimen | well I need something comforting later today | 07:28 |
| Paimen | need to take one of our dog to final trip to vet :/ | 07:28 |
| Oipo | In the mornings I usually start with some easy-going jazz. You into that? | 07:28 |
| iekku | Paimen, ouch! the last service for a friend is hard | 07:29 |
| * iekku hugs Paimen | 07:29 | |
| Oipo | Good luck with that man. | 07:29 |
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| vgrade__ | Sage: any changes required in kernel packaging after your work upgrading systemd etc | 08:45 |
| Sage | vgrade__: got it working :) | 08:45 |
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| Sage | vgrade__: -next boots on my N900 now with new systemd | 08:45 |
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| vgrade__ | Sage: yes , I saw. nice one. I was just checking if there was any general changes required in kernel packaging? | 08:46 |
| vgrade__ | Sage: did you have to make any changes to N900 kernel packaging | 08:46 |
| vgrade__ | Sage: which may be required in other kernels? | 08:47 |
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| Sage | vgrade__: moment | 08:47 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=kernel-adaptation-n900&oproject=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900&package=kernel-adaptation-n900&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AAdaptation%3AN900&rev=16 | 08:48 |
| Sage | vgrade__: so basically two things that really mattered. a) depmod -a should be run after kernel installed b) /boot partition is vfat and that module needed to be buildin to boot properly | 08:48 |
| Sage | in theory systemd/kernel or something should modprobe the vfat module but that didn't happen | 08:49 |
| vgrade__ | cheers | 08:49 |
| Aard | 12 | 08:50 |
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| E-P | timoph: have you got this before when executing tests with tr-lite "logger: invalid option -- 'e'" | 09:09 |
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| E-P | using remote execution over ssh | 09:10 |
| * Oipo cracks knuckles | 09:12 | |
| Oipo | Time to get working. | 09:12 |
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| Oipo | Stskeeps, in updating any library in Mer, would one need to test if an image can be made correctly? Or somehow test that the upgrade works correctly? What's the default way to handle this? | 09:26 |
| lbt_away | Oipo: normally yes | 09:29 |
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| lbt | have you seen the SDK page? | 09:29 |
| Oipo | I've looked it over a few times, yes. | 09:29 |
| Oipo | I managed to get it up and running. | 09:29 |
| lbt | so that has manual image creation details on it | 09:29 |
| lbt | we *will* *soon* have automatic image creation | 09:30 |
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| * lbt is blocking that :/ | 09:30 | |
| Oipo | Lol. | 09:30 |
| Oipo | Alright. I'll have a look at that. | 09:30 |
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| * iekku starts vacation, next 2 weeks not so much contribution in here | 09:40 | |
| Oipo | Enjoy. | 09:41 |
| E-P | iekku: have fun! | 09:42 |
| iekku | thanks | 09:43 |
| iekku | starting with finlands biggest punk festival | 09:43 |
| iekku | and sun is shining | 09:43 |
| iekku | :) | 09:43 |
| zzats | the weather is _great_ | 09:44 |
| iekku | yep | 09:44 |
| Oipo | Sweet. I've once been to Ilosaarirock. Which festival you headed to? | 09:46 |
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| kyyberi | iekku: have fun | 10:03 |
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| E-P | timoph, Stskeeps: eat-run-command mixes up remote test executions | 10:10 |
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| Paimen | E-P: that qt5 branch is bit of a mess, it is based on 1.3.1 and they have commented out QGraphicsView related code etc | 10:23 |
| E-P | hmm | 10:23 |
| E-P | weird | 10:23 |
| Paimen | well most propably they need to test qtquick 2.0 and just hacked it to work and removed widget code, because of those have new include path | 10:24 |
| Paimen | include paths etc | 10:24 |
| Paimen | I'll look into that next | 10:26 |
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| Paimen | hmm next week | 10:27 |
| Paimen | my enter finger is too quick today | 10:27 |
| E-P | :) | 10:28 |
| E-P | would be nice to get the latest tdriver to work with qt5 | 10:28 |
| Paimen | yeah, it should not be problem only thing that comes to mind is how to do backward compatibility with qtquick 1.0 | 10:29 |
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| E-P | Paimen: that might be an issue | 10:35 |
| Paimen | well actually if I remember correctly I should just include qtquick1/qdeclarative<component>.h and they should be available viw graphics view | 10:35 |
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| Paimen | but something to dig into | 10:35 |
| Paimen | but I think that is why qt5 branch has commented out GraphicsView code | 10:36 |
| E-P | ok | 10:38 |
| E-P | thanks for looking | 10:38 |
| Paimen | well I keep looking and mergin this. I'll use https://gitorious.org/~juranine/tdriver/juranines-agent_qt if you want to check my progress | 10:39 |
| Paimen | so far I only merged memory bug fix there so I do not forget to add that | 10:42 |
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| Oipo | osc ls returns http error 401. Do I need to register on a site somewhere to use osc? *never used opensuse* | 11:02 |
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| denism | Oipo: osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com/ ls | 11:03 |
| Oipo | Thanks. | 11:03 |
| lbt | Oipo: there's a ~/.oscrc ... each of the api entries can have an "aliases=" value ... there's also a default api | 11:05 |
| Oipo | Ah right. | 11:05 |
| phaeron1 | even better : https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail#Configure_osc | 11:05 |
| Oipo | Though I still have a problem logging in on the meego apiurl. Hrm. | 11:06 |
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| Oipo | https://api.pub.meego.com/ uses the login credentials from the Mer Gerrit, right? | 11:12 |
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| Sage | Oipo: no. That uses credentials from www.meego.com | 11:20 |
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| Sage | Oipo: also one needs to ask from lbt or phaeron1 to enable the access to that obs after creating the meego.com credentials | 11:20 |
| Oipo | Aaah. | 11:21 |
| lbt | yup - thought you had that | 11:21 |
| Oipo | Yeah, I didn't find that explained anywhere. | 11:21 |
| Oipo | I thought I did as well. | 11:21 |
| lbt | where are you going to add it ? *g* | 11:21 |
| Oipo | I see what you did there. | 11:21 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/user/register_user | 11:22 |
| lbt | but that's from meego days | 11:22 |
| lbt | we need to add some getting going with osc to the mer wiki | 11:22 |
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| lbt | I'll probably do that as part of the sdk work next week | 11:22 |
| lbt | for now ... just tell me your meego.com acct name | 11:23 |
| Oipo | Well, I could add some small info on Platform_SDK#Running_osc and Contribution_in_detail#Configure_osc | 11:23 |
| Oipo | It's Oipo | 11:23 |
| lbt | done - I think I'd done you already | 11:23 |
| lbt | I'd go for a discrete osc page | 11:24 |
| lbt | and link to it from places that need it | 11:24 |
| Oipo | Good idea. | 11:24 |
| lbt | trying to keep the wiki with a strong "one primary theme per page" | 11:25 |
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| lbt | and tutorials are too hard to keep updated | 11:25 |
| Oipo | Hmm, it still rejects me. | 11:26 |
| Oipo | Okay, maybe I forgot my password. | 11:26 |
| * Oipo facepalms | 11:27 | |
| Oipo | Okay, moving on. | 11:27 |
| lbt | *g* | 11:27 |
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| Oipo | Oh. While I did use the wrong password, it still rejects me. | 11:30 |
| Oipo | lbt, is the username case-sensitive? If so, it's "oipo" | 11:31 |
| lbt | just double check you're on pub ... there's a build.meego.com too | 11:34 |
| Oipo | Oh. I guess it took some time to propagate or something. | 11:35 |
| lbt | create+password changes take 10m... everything else is instant | 11:36 |
| lbt | but nm if it works now | 11:36 |
| Oipo | Yeap. | 11:36 |
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| Oipo | The wiki could use some formatting to ignore specific formatting. Or does it have that already? | 11:59 |
| Oipo | At least, backslashes don't work. | 11:59 |
| Oipo | Oh got it. I guess i'll have to make a wiki formatting page as well. | 12:01 |
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| vgrade__ | mdfe_: hi | 12:39 |
| vgrade__ | how's things | 12:39 |
| alterego | Big n9? http://www.ebuyer.com/386278-sumvision-astro-7-tablet-pc-astro-7 | 12:43 |
| alterego | More like a 770 with N9 internals :) | 12:43 |
| alterego | I wonder how hackable it'd be .. | 12:44 |
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| vgrade__ | alterego: usual story I guess | 12:46 |
| alterego | Mali | 12:46 |
| vgrade__ | yup | 12:46 |
| alterego | Are there any 7" tablets with OMAP? | 12:46 |
| alterego | Something that'd run what we have already on N9 | 12:46 |
| vgrade__ | yes, I think one was linked here recently | 12:47 |
| alterego | Well, sure I can google it :) | 12:47 |
| phaeron1 | archos g8 maybe | 12:47 |
| vgrade__ | smartQ | 12:48 |
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| Lava_Croft | the vivaldi tablet? | 13:38 |
| Lava_Croft | im not sure if thats omap | 13:38 |
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| mdfe_ | vgrade__: hi, sorry really busy atm | 13:39 |
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| vgrade__ | mdfe_: same here, | 13:40 |
| mdfe_ | vgrade__: I hope I will find some time in an hour | 13:40 |
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| vgrade__ | np | 13:40 |
| mdfe_ | thx | 13:40 |
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| situ | Is there any way to browse source code online for Mer ? | 17:06 |
| oipo | There's the mer webgit page, if that's what you want. http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 17:06 |
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| situ | Thanks! | 17:11 |
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| lbt | situ: it's not source though :/ | 17:25 |
| lbt | it's tarballs | 17:25 |
| lbt | FWIW I'm working on a solution for that | 17:25 |
| oipo | I'd like to take this moment to whine about the long compile times Qt has: 45 minutes and counting. | 17:27 |
| oipo | Okay, thanks for the moment. | 17:27 |
| situ | lbt: what's the solution ? | 17:31 |
| situ | sorry I was out. | 17:31 |
| lbt | oipo: yep - buy an SSD or use tmpfs :) | 17:32 |
| lbt | situ: it's called git-pkg | 17:32 |
| oipo | My VM doesn't have enough memory to use tmpfs haha. But yeah, an SSD would be nice. | 17:32 |
| oipo | And it errors out near the end of course, due to limited space. I am overjoyed. | 17:33 |
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| lbt | oipo: try to use tmpfs backed by swap | 17:33 |
| oipo | Hmm, that might work I guess. | 17:33 |
| situ | Are we having problems with build bots ? | 17:36 |
| oipo | brb | 17:37 |
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| situ | I tried to change spec file of few projects, and build bots fail to compile. | 17:37 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: ping | 17:39 |
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| lbt | situ: he's on holiday | 17:40 |
| situ | :-S | 17:40 |
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| CosmoHill | watching the opening cermony, bbl | 20:01 |
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| sivang | evening all :) | 21:03 |
| Oipo | Howdy | 21:03 |
| sivang | I've installd the platform SDK as instructed on the wiki, and I'm just before doing the build image test as per https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Building_an_image , after this image is created, can I just run it through QEmu to play with Mer on my PC? | 21:04 |
| sivang | hey there Oipo | 21:04 |
| Oipo | I haven't actually gotten that far! I just got stuff to compile and such. | 21:05 |
| sivang | ah okay. I'll continue googling then :) | 21:05 |
| Oipo | Surely other people know. *looks at lbt* | 21:05 |
| sivang | heh | 21:06 |
| sivang | well, I'll take more steps to research before bothering lbt ;) | 21:06 |
| phaeron | it depends on the type of image your produced. an i586 raw can be run in virtualbox for example | 21:07 |
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| sivang | phaeron: are there any prebuilt images for testing from a server somewhere? | 21:11 |
| * sivang on a sparse GSM network connection, not sure he can download reqs for image building but going to give it a try anyways. | 21:11 | |
| sivang | Oipo: what have you compiled so far? </curious> | 21:12 |
| Oipo | I'm busy updating Qt to 4.8.2. | 21:12 |
| sivang | Oipo: oh, on your Mer? you should try QtQuick 2 with hardware accel. :) | 21:13 |
| sivang | Oipo: even building it on my crappy ULV laptop took only 2.5 hours | 21:13 |
| Oipo | Yeap. Still getting used to how everythign is structured. I rolled into Mer two days ago. Kinda overwhelming trying to understand everything. | 21:13 |
| Oipo | It took me a little under an hour in my VM. | 21:14 |
| sivang | Oipo: wow, strong machine? | 21:14 |
| Oipo | It's just an i5. If I had an i7, it'd be even faster. | 21:14 |
| sivang | (mine is an ultra low voltage laptop with pentium something single core proc.) | 21:14 |
| phaeron | sivang: nemo vm should work | 21:14 |
| Oipo | Not to mention that I've got an older model i5. I'm sure it's not that strong :) | 21:14 |
| sivang | phaeron: k, I'll go dig some more | 21:15 |
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| sivang | Oipo: most of the stuff in Mer btw, are based on upstread legacy, you probably know that already but everytime you find yoruself overwhalmed try to find the "source", e.g. for instance- if you are trying to figure what goes on in boot process, track it down to systemd which apparently is what Mer uses to do parallelized system bootup | 21:16 |
| sivang | Oipo: but you probably know that already :) | 21:16 |
| Oipo | Hmm, I'm familiar with most of the packages used in Mer. I'm more talking about the entire process to build images, packages, use the git, OBS etc. | 21:17 |
| sivang | Oipo: ah, well, those require a bit of learing curve. I'm recouping on it myself to see if I can handle it after a while I've been away. | 21:18 |
| * sivang goes to try and build an image. | 21:18 | |
| phaeron | yeah there's always a learning curve associated with new tools, but we try to help. | 21:19 |
| Oipo | I'm managing pretty well with the helpfull people here :) | 21:20 |
| sivang | phaeron: wiki page for Platform SDK is quite good, I would love to see some references from it to how to wheat your appetite in like how to go from platform SDK installation to having an Mer (nemo) image running for the enthusiastic contributor :) maybe they are there already and I overlooked? | 21:20 |
| sivang | Oipo: yep, it is a well bread community that has already gone through some interesting phases :) | 21:21 |
| Oipo | Well bread hmm? Do you also have peanut butter? *snickers8 | 21:21 |
| sivang | lol | 21:21 |
| * sivang notes is not a native speaker, and it is late for him and has been a long day , but urban dicts nonetheless :) | 21:22 | |
| phaeron | the difference between sdk and having an image running on hardware is the hardware adaptation | 21:22 |
| sivang | *bred | 21:22 |
| phaeron | it's not a simple thing. but lbt has done excellent work on that, let me find the guid | 21:22 |
| phaeron | e | 21:22 |
| sivang | phaeron: thank you. | 21:22 |
| Oipo | Huh. Where does "osc ci" push the changes to? | 21:25 |
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| phaeron | to OBS | 21:26 |
| phaeron | sivang: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started | 21:26 |
| sivang | phaeron: hmm, I should have been able to find that with this title / page url ;) | 21:26 |
| phaeron | wikis are confusing :) | 21:27 |
| sivang | Oipo: I would guess it pushes to your corner in OBS, as osc is somewhat like a RCS system but from after packages are built | 21:27 |
| sivang | Oipo: so that would probably be somewhere underl your userid, IIRC | 21:27 |
| sivang | phaeron: :-D | 21:28 |
| Oipo | Hmm. I know I once ended up on OBS of meego...I should bookmark important places. | 21:28 |
| phaeron | Oipo: what is the project you checked out ? | 21:29 |
| Oipo | mer-core/qt | 21:29 |
| phaeron | from the public obs , right ? | 21:29 |
| phaeron | community obs | 21:29 |
| Oipo | I think so yeah | 21:30 |
| Oipo | https://build.pub.meego.com/ right? | 21:30 |
| phaeron | yes | 21:30 |
| phaeron | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Aoipo%3Abranches%3AMer.MDS%3ACore%3Ai486 | 21:30 |
| phaeron | when you branch from a package it creates a subproject under your home project | 21:31 |
| Oipo | Aaaah, nice. It committed it to there. | 21:31 |
| sivang | Oipo: this is a good coverage about this, I also need to go over it to refresh so thought of pasting for you as well :) http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Tutorial | 21:34 |
| Oipo | Ah, thankss. | 21:34 |
| sivang | Oipo: yw! | 21:35 |
| Oipo | Now the only thing left is to try and build an image and get it to run in VirtualBox. | 21:36 |
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| sivang | phaeron: right, so I can prolly use the ExoPC kickstart file to test on nemo vm/ qemu? | 21:47 |
| sivang | I mean, the image created using the exopc .ks file | 21:48 |
| phaeron | I am not sure that's the correct one. maybe check http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-07-02.1/images/nemo-handset-i586-vm/ | 21:49 |
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| sivang | phaeron: are there other verticals than -handset- at the moment? (actually makes sense to focus on one IMHO) | 21:52 |
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| sivang | phaeron: I see according to the pkg list that it should be good to go , though. | 21:53 |
| phaeron | no resources to create more vertical "UX" cases. help is welcome :) | 21:56 |
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| phaeron | that's default UX's , however there are a couple of other UXes by the community | 21:57 |
| phaeron | Plasma Active and Cordia. maybe worth a shot to learn | 21:57 |
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| Oipo | Hrm. So I created an image from the latest kickstart file. How do I add in my updated package? And how do I use the .tar.bz2 in an emulator? Lol. | 21:58 |
| sivang | phaeron: no as I said, concentrate on -handset- is what I wanted for us to do back in the old days as well :) | 21:59 |
| sivang | phaeron: yes, Cordia is using Vala right? | 21:59 |
| * sivang recalls something from a year a far | 22:00 | |
| phaeron | sivang: gnome / hildon based | 22:00 |
| phaeron | Oipo: you want to add the repo produced by your project into the kickstart , before creating the image. use the kickstart in the url I pasted above to produce a raw file that you can boot in a cm | 22:01 |
| phaeron | *vm | 22:01 |
| Oipo | Aaah, gracias. | 22:01 |
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| phaeron | prego :) | 22:03 |
| sivang | yes, they promote and use vala, I recall talking to some cool guy a way back when he started Cordia with some others :) http://cordiahd.org/os/about | 22:03 |
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| sivang | phaeron: how can I add some repos to my PlatformSDK so I can use it with vim, wget etc? | 22:05 |
| phaeron | sivang: smoku hangs around here sometimes | 22:05 |
| sivang | :) | 22:05 |
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| Oipo | Anyways, off to bed. 'night people. | 22:05 |
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| phaeron | sivang: zypper ar 'repourl' | 22:07 |
| phaeron | zypper ref | 22:07 |
| phaeron | zypper in vim | 22:07 |
| phaeron | etc .. | 22:07 |
| sivang | ah right, I was trying to use yum and I was lacking yum-config-* etc | 22:07 |
| sivang | phaeron: is there a sense to leave yum there ? for backward compatibility or are some scripts using it? | 22:08 |
| * sivang likes the PSDK feeling | 22:09 | |
| phaeron | mic image creator uses it | 22:11 |
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| sivang | phaeron: ah, cool. | 22:15 |
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| sivang | image creation started though a gsm network connection, /me crosses fingers ;) | 22:19 |
| sivang | phaeron: I get this notes about some libs dependencies requires, and then mic exists but I see no .img produced am I doing something wrong? | 22:23 |
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| phaeron | sivang: make sure you use -A i686 | 22:31 |
| sivang | phaeron: did --arch i586, as the kick start files noted '586' | 22:31 |
| sivang | phaeron: can I spec 686 when the kickstart file name has 586 in it? (not the filename hte issue, but perhaps the semantics in the ks depend on it) | 22:33 |
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| sivang | phaeron: also, there's no need to specify --format=raw anymore right? | 22:33 |
| sivang | sorry for the bombardment of questions :) | 22:33 |
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| sivang | phaeron: wow, thanks! --arch i686 fixed it | 22:39 |
| phaeron | sivang: arch naming is a bit messed up. | 22:40 |
| phaeron | format raw is important if you want a raw image | 22:41 |
| sivang | phaeron: and raw is required to be run under a vm right? | 22:42 |
| sivang | phaeron: mic refused my -f raw attempts, but I can restart the creation process :) | 22:42 |
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| * sivang notes the format arg is missing from mic help create | 22:51 | |
| phaeron | sivang: mic create raw foo.ks | 22:55 |
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| sivang | note to self: get the mic source code to learn of command line args and usage as is not in mic create help :) | 23:21 |
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| sivang | yay, image created! | 23:40 |
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