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| iekku | morning | 03:18 |
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| Stskeeps | jpwhiting: they've been working on that at least | 04:21 |
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| E-P | morning iekku, Stskeeps | 04:51 |
| Stskeeps | morn E-P | 04:51 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: if i'm to test somebody's non-developer QA skills, would using Nemo as an example and asking them to create a test plan be sane? | 04:52 |
| Stskeeps | and perhaps run through it | 04:52 |
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| Stskeeps | seeing how they file bugs | 04:52 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: sure, seeing how he/she recognizes the main issues and how to get overall test coverage | 04:56 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 04:56 |
| E-P | I see nemo as working prototype, or actually even more than that, so it is good place to start | 04:57 |
| iekku | +1 | 05:00 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, i was just thinking about that when coming to work | 05:00 |
| iekku | best way is to ask to do test plan, run it and report | 05:00 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 05:02 |
| Stskeeps | 'Your challenge is to create materials that helps you detect regression in a prototype application.' ? | 05:02 |
| iekku | :nod: | 05:02 |
| E-P | it is also wise to focus on one domain, example networking (2g, 3g, hspa) or communication (wlan, bt) | 05:06 |
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| E-P | like using wlan to stream video/music and using bt headset for audio | 05:07 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: the idea is to let them pick their own challenge as it also shows their own character | 05:07 |
| E-P | nice | 05:07 |
| iekku | and how challenging tasks they are ready to take | 05:10 |
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| timoph | morning | 05:21 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 05:21 |
| Paimen | mourning | 05:25 |
| Paimen | todays agenda: queuing lot of it | 05:25 |
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| iekku | coffee???? | 05:27 |
| kyyberi | moan | 05:30 |
| timoph | roarr | 05:30 |
| Paimen | how to do regression testing for coffee machine :P | 05:31 |
| Stskeeps | slap the side of it and see if it still brews | 05:31 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 05:31 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 05:31 |
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| timoph | :) | 05:33 |
| timoph | you want to automate that | 05:33 |
| Paimen | you need to ensure slap is always with predictable force and hits to sweet spot | 05:34 |
| iekku | :D | 05:34 |
| Paimen | QA is serious business | 05:36 |
| kyyberi | :) | 05:36 |
| iekku | no it's not | 05:36 |
| iekku | it's supposed to be fun | 05:36 |
| timoph | iekku: heretic! | 05:36 |
| iekku | and oh the joy when you find a such a evil failure | 05:37 |
| Paimen | well you get chance to try and break stuff | 05:37 |
| Paimen | so yes it can be fun | 05:37 |
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| Stskeeps | morn phaeron | 06:01 |
| phaeron | morning | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | feeling better today? | 06:03 |
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| phaeron | somewhat, but sleeping rhythm is messed up :D | 06:03 |
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| rcg | mornin | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | morn rcg | 06:43 |
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| E-P | should zypper work in vm image? I get "Failed to cache rpm database (132)." | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, it should | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | show me full output? | 06:55 |
| E-P | I built the image with --record-pkgs=name --pkgmgr=yum options | 06:56 |
| E-P | just a sec | 06:56 |
| lbt | morning all | 06:56 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4334960 | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | that's new | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | ooh. | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: what processor are you on>? | 06:58 |
| E-P | hmm.. maybe related to kvm | 06:58 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: i586 on i486? | 06:59 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: atom on i486.. zypper is notorious to trigger that | 06:59 |
| lbt | yeah | 06:59 |
| lbt | E-P: pastie zypper lr -d | 06:59 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: I am running that on hetzner vm, cpuinfo shows QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.12.3 and uname i686 i686 i386 | 07:00 |
| E-P | maybe not the best idea to run qemu inside qemu | 07:00 |
| phaeron | zypper worksforme in a kvm | 07:00 |
| E-P | I will try that on real pc | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: hmm, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep ssse3 | 07:01 |
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| E-P | Stskeeps: not supported | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: yeah, you probably need -A i486 then | 07:03 |
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| E-P | lbt: core and hw adaptation are i586 | 07:03 |
| phaeron | yep or change the kvm cpu parameters | 07:03 |
| lbt | that'll be the issue then | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | don't we have hw adaptation built for i486 too? | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: so where are we with systemd nightmare? | 07:03 |
| * lbt listens for the sobs | 07:03 | |
| lbt | ah yes, I think Sage is under the table in the corner.... | 07:04 |
| E-P | thanks, I try i486 first | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: you may be able to do it with '-cpu ?' | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | and find one with ssse3 | 07:05 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: my ******* sdcard reader says again that I don't want to work with this kernel :) | 07:06 |
| phaeron | E-P: try kvm -cpu kvm32 | 07:06 |
| E-P | Stskeeps, phaeron: ok | 07:06 |
| E-P | there isn't hw adaptation for i486 | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ouch? | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: really bad solution, but use the n900 as sd card reader.. | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:07 |
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| E-P | phaeron: doesn't work, i will try on normal pc | 07:10 |
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| phaeron | it didn't boot or same error ? | 07:13 |
| E-P | same error | 07:13 |
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| phaeron | E-P: did cpuinfo flags change ? | 07:14 |
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| phaeron | because the support is probably missing anyway in that i486 glibc | 07:14 |
| phaeron | not sure though. maybe just create a new image with i586 and -A i686 | 07:14 |
| E-P | phaeron: yes cpuinfo flags changed, but no ssse3 supported | 07:18 |
| phaeron | hmm there was a switch to copy host cpu | 07:21 |
| phaeron | E-P: try -cpu host or at least -cpu kvm32,+ssse3 | 07:22 |
| E-P | the host cpu doesn't support ssse3 either, because it is qemu virtual machine too | 07:22 |
| phaeron | oh qemu in qemu :) | 07:22 |
| phaeron | not gonna work if you don't have nested kvm | 07:23 |
| phaeron | and going to be very slow | 07:23 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: anyway vgrade2 pointed out yesterday that kernel modules might need to be in /usr/lib instead of /lib/ as of kmod. However I checked our kmod and it should be /lib as usual | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 07:26 |
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| E-P | phaeron: ok | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: can you enable i486 build for generic-x86? | 07:32 |
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| Venemo_N9 | morning | 07:40 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: sure | 07:42 |
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| Sage | done | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 07:45 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning Oipo | 07:57 |
| Oipo | Morning. | 07:57 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: can you get lsmod output of the next image you have? | 07:57 |
| Sage | n900 that is | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: want me to re-generate image and flash it? | 07:57 |
| Sage | no. the old is fine | 07:58 |
| Sage | if you still have it | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | i've done mods to it, it was empty when i lsmod'ed straight off image start | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | also, the /boot issue | 07:58 |
| Sage | oh, lsmod was empty out of the box? | 07:58 |
| Sage | did you get it fixed? | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | after manually depmod -a'ing | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | which means kernel packaging is screwed | 07:59 |
| Sage | hmmp | 07:59 |
| tanuk2 | Oh, I forgot to ask before making a review: what should the group be for json-c? I set it to Multimedia/PulseAudio, because pulseaudio is the only one needing it, but I'm not sure if that was correct. | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk2: that works for me, in practice we'll probably do an outside-rpm database | 08:00 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=kernel-adaptation-n900&oproject=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900&package=kernel-adaptation-n900&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AAdaptation%3AN900&rev=5 | 08:00 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: all the .bin ones do not generate on -Next | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: is kmod included in build log? | 08:01 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: on -next yes | 08:01 |
| Sage | on old only module-init-tools | 08:02 |
| Sage | and kmod-libs | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:02 |
| Sage | hmmp... | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | is there maybe kernel patches needed to use kmod properly? | 08:02 |
| Sage | well x86 didn't get a patch | 08:03 |
| Sage | it shows 2 modules with lsmod | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 08:04 |
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| Sage | I don't see any kmod dependencies on fedora kernel build at least | 08:06 |
| Sage | they have module-init-tools dep but that is obsoleted by kmod as we have | 08:06 |
| * Sage compares kmod packages | 08:07 | |
| E-P | Stskeeps: in the .ks file, is it possible to run 'eat-add-device-key' for root or user? | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: yes | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | log.04-19-2012:[14:05:28]<Stskeeps> #info re-architected EAT -- to add test enablement to a device, add Mer:Tools:Devel, add eat-device in %packages and su -c 'eat-add-device-key' - root and for each of the users needing test login | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | in %post | 08:09 |
| E-P | ah, thanks | 08:09 |
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| E-P | works nicely | 08:16 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: after the depmod does it load modules on upcoming boots? | 08:18 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, but doesnt fully boot still | 08:19 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/4335244 | 08:20 |
| Sage | from fedora | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | uhh | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | so it depmods on install instead? | 08:20 |
| Sage | it seems so | 08:21 |
| Sage | and it seems also that with kmod some of those files are not generated anymore during kernel compile | 08:21 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: add the /boot after doing the depmod -a does the boot.mount fail then? | 08:24 |
| Sage | boot to fstab | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | sec, need to deal with somehing | 08:25 |
| Sage | pushing some things to review. Probably more to come but want to see how those build with everything | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:30 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: has mer ever had e4fsprogs package in it? | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | not to my knowledge.. | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | i thought e2fsprogs handled it | 08:39 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/4335325 :) | 08:39 |
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| Stskeeps | mmkay | 08:39 |
| Sage | Just wondering if I could just remove that obsolete if mer never had it | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 08:39 |
| Sage | that is error that we should make rpmlint to fail on I think | 08:40 |
| * E-P goes for lunch | 08:40 | |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 08:42 |
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| alterego | What is supposed to clean up .sdkoptions? I'm getting bored of rm'ing it every boot :) | 08:47 |
| alterego | Maybe I should stick mer-sdk-chroot mount and unmount in my init scripts. | 08:47 |
| timoph | I'm using a simple script that has mount, enter and umount in it | 08:48 |
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| slaine | howdy | 08:49 |
| lbt | o/ | 08:49 |
| lbt | alterego: you reboot ? | 08:50 |
| alterego | Yes :P | 08:50 |
| lbt | ah | 08:50 |
| alterego | I poweroff at night because my computer still doesn't have a case ;) | 08:50 |
| * lbt doesn't have that itch :) | 08:50 | |
| alterego | Well, I don't like the noise when I'm sleeping, not that it's loud, it's also very hot too. | 08:50 |
| alterego | And there's those l33t hackers around O_O | 08:51 |
| timoph | http://pastie.org/4335374 <- like this | 08:52 |
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| yunta_ | qa meeting today? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:59 |
| alterego | timoph: ah, not a bad solution I guess ;) | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure i'll be around as i'm travelling on the highway towards poznan at that point | 08:59 |
| alterego | timoph: but I chroot in to it in several terminals. | 08:59 |
| timoph | ah | 08:59 |
| alterego | timoph: even remotely | 08:59 |
| yunta_ | what time? | 09:00 |
| timoph | anyway, I think that part of the sdk needs some loving | 09:00 |
| timoph | not everyone uses it like lbt :p | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | yunta_: 12 UTC | 09:01 |
| yunta_ | ok | 09:02 |
| yunta_ | Stskeeps: while in Poznan, make sure to add "tej"(tey) at the end of every sentence | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | yunta_: local accent? | 09:04 |
| yunta_ | yeah, they do that there | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 09:06 |
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| yunta_ | barely, but good to know | 09:07 |
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| lbt | alterego: I have several chroots too | 09:41 |
| lbt | I think it'd be easy to add autodetect and cleanup to the enter/mount side | 09:42 |
| Sage | ok... so what does http://qtl.merproject.org/f30c54f0-d705-11e1-a20c-00163e6e0038.txt mean | 09:44 |
| Sage | how there can be suddently more files :) | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | why the heck do we have init scripts | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | an regexp that matches multiple things? | 09:44 |
| * Sage checks cups again | 09:46 | |
| Sage | I wonder how the kmod change did trigger that failure | 09:47 |
| Sage | http://review.merproject.org/#change,694 | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps a bad missync | 09:48 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: well cups has rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/rc?.d | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: huh | 09:56 |
| Sage | in %install section | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | how come it's there then? :) | 09:56 |
| Sage | I have no idea | 09:57 |
| Sage | can you trigger rebuild for that kmod | 09:58 |
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| Sage | ah, no need same happens on my own home | 09:59 |
| Sage | er.... actually not | 09:59 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=cups&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7l&repository=Mer_Core-next_armv7hl o_0 :D | 10:00 |
| Sage | uh, forgot to pull -next changes. | 10:01 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: btw, could you get "/lib/systemd/systemd --test --system" output of the n900 and the -next you have on it atm. | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'll take the one that boots, yes | 10:12 |
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| tanuk2 | Sage: You said yesterday that speexdsp should be updated, but to me it seems that it's already at the newest version (1.2rc1). | 10:15 |
| tanuk2 | I added the version dependencies to pulseaudio.spec, and there were no unmet dependencies. | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | good | 10:16 |
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| Sage | tanuk2: oh ok. my bad :) | 10:19 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: what is mer's opinion about /usr/sbin/alternatives? | 10:19 |
| Sage | we don't have it but should we? | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | what usecase? | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/minicom.n900.8.cap | 10:21 |
| Sage | just pondering if we should cut that part from cups .spec imported from fedora | 10:25 |
| Sage | there was define that I disabled | 10:25 |
| Sage | but still I would prefer just removing the code if we don't use it | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | what part of it? | 10:26 |
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| Sage | %if %use_alternatives | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:28 |
| Sage | all those and content :) | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, let's not bother with alternatives for now | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't seen a rpm alternatives system though | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to refer me to it | 10:30 |
| Sage | - $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/rc?.d | 10:30 |
| Sage | + $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/rc*.d | 10:30 |
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| Sage | Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found: | 10:30 |
| Sage | /etc/rc.d/rc0.d/K36cups | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | uhh... | 10:30 |
| Sage | how did it work before? :) | 10:30 |
| Sage | or how does that work actually. does bash extend rc?.d to rc.d as well? | 10:33 |
| Sage | apparently not | 10:33 |
| Sage | it compiled once ok thus I'm confused :) | 10:34 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: rpm -q grubby on the n900 image please | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | not installed | 10:40 |
| Sage | fun | 10:41 |
| Sage | found one problem at least | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | oh? | 10:46 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=kernel-adaptation-n900&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AAdaptation%3AN900&rev=6 | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:47 |
| Sage | depmod wasn't called in n900 at all thus it can cause strange things | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:47 |
| Sage | lets see if that helps a bit. | 10:47 |
| * Sage is still confused how cups compiled in -next | 10:48 | |
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| Stskeeps | hello kallela :) | 11:18 |
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| kallela | Stskeeps: hi! :) | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | kallela: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 11:20 |
| kallela | Stskeeps: thanks! interest in mer, nemo & jolla, obviously ;) | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | cool :) #nemomobile , #jollamobile exists as well, if you have any questions about Mer, feel free to ask at any time, or on how to contribute, else feel free to hang out :) | 11:22 |
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| kallela | Stskeeps: right, I'll join those channels too | 11:24 |
| iekku | :) | 11:24 |
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| Oipo | Ah, I have some questions about Jolla, is it perhaps better to go to #jollamobile for that, or perhaps better to do so in PM? | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | you can do that in #jollamobile, it's mostly unofficial channel but a lot of us hang out there | 11:28 |
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| timoph | QA meeting in 30 mins, right? | 11:30 |
| Paimen | oh it is today | 11:30 |
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| Stskeeps | hello rsadhu :) | 11:33 |
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| iekku | Paimen, usually on thu | 11:37 |
| Paimen | iekku: yup, just bit confused what day it is today | 11:38 |
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| iekku | Paimen, you are on vacation, right? | 11:39 |
| E-P | Reminder: Mer QA meeting starting in 20mins in #mer-meeting | 11:40 |
| Paimen | iekku, yup on vacation still | 11:40 |
| iekku | Paimen, then it's all ok and even more. | 11:41 |
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| Paimen | :) | 11:41 |
| Paimen | Sage: was it in your repository that has tdriver codes | 11:43 |
| Sage | home:sage:ruby | 11:43 |
| Sage | err... home:sage:mer:ruby | 11:44 |
| Paimen | is there some document that describes what I need to do to start modifying those | 11:44 |
| Sage | Paimen: not that I know of | 11:45 |
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| E-P | Mer QA meeting starting now | 11:59 |
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| Paimen | Sage: maybe stupid question, but that qttas is just tarball from git and you only updated building instructions? | 12:05 |
| Sage | Paimen: ? | 12:05 |
| Paimen | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=qttas&project=home%3Asage%3Amer%3Aruby | 12:06 |
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| Sage | Paimen: yes tarball from git tag | 12:07 |
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| Paimen | ok, so should I just create personal branch to gitorous for qt5 changes? | 12:08 |
| Sage | Paimen: well. I just packaged the stuff I don't have anything to do with the git tree ;) | 12:09 |
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| Paimen | yeah I know, just wondering what is correct way to start doing this | 12:10 |
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| E-P | Paimen: make personal clone to gitorious, make hacks to your personal clone and then request merge | 12:11 |
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| Paimen | E-P: well merge requests justs seems to sit there and no reactions, but well yeah I make my own branch there | 12:12 |
| E-P | if that is so, then we have to see if we could get admin rights to the master | 12:12 |
| Paimen | E-P: for example linux memory fixture fix has been on merge request for 4 months now | 12:13 |
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| E-P | Paimen: http://gitorious.org/~ration/tdriver/rations-agent_qt | 13:03 |
| E-P | some qt5 changes added recently | 13:04 |
| ericc | mes os had a good voice soft？ | 13:04 |
| ericc | i send | 13:04 |
| ericc | a MESSGE,THEN IT CAN READ IT AND VIOCE IT?? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | ericc: i think you have to look at 'pocketsphinx' | 13:06 |
| Paimen | E-P: yup I noticed | 13:07 |
| Paimen | there is already some naming changes also for qquick items in juhapekka's branch of that | 13:08 |
| E-P | good | 13:08 |
| Paimen | but it is branched from older master so some manual checking is needed, also I'm not sure does those changes work with qtquick 1.0 | 13:09 |
| Paimen | so basically I prefer to have code that is usable with both | 13:09 |
| E-P | yes, if it's possible to do it like that | 13:10 |
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| E-P | but now I have to take a dog out | 13:10 |
| E-P | it is sunny here and warm... weird | 13:10 |
| Paimen | good reminder I need to take dogs out too | 13:10 |
| Paimen | well they are out, but to forest have some exercise too | 13:10 |
| E-P | yep, same here | 13:11 |
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| Stskeeps | hey InformatiQ :) | 13:55 |
| InformatiQ | hei Stskeeps | 13:55 |
| InformatiQ | how's it going | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's going good.. going on a small trip to north-western poland this afternoon | 13:55 |
| InformatiQ | vacation? | 13:56 |
| InformatiQ | i was in poland ofr a day and went barefoot in a kind of a fountain | 13:56 |
| InformatiQ | very refreshing | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah, that's very nice here | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i haven't had my yearly festival visit so i need to de-stress on a regular basis :P | 13:57 |
| InformatiQ | i'm sure you've earned it | 13:58 |
| InformatiQ | have fun | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 13:58 |
| InformatiQ | it seems quite here | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | just in the sweet spot where people are leaving work and other side of globe is waking up | 13:59 |
| InformatiQ | aha | 13:59 |
| * w00t is still here | 13:59 | |
| w00t | though not for long | 13:59 |
| w00t | nearly time to go shopping | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | hello Knobtviker o/ | 14:01 |
| Knobtviker | hello :) | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 14:01 |
| Knobtviker | long time since I was here | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:01 |
| Knobtviker | I was told by Jolla to come here and listen to big boys on how to build a package for their future OS :) | 14:02 |
| faenil | hey Knobtviker :) | 14:02 |
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| Knobtviker | hi faenil :D | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | Knobtviker: sure, many ways - we have a Mer platform SDK and there's OBS | 14:02 |
| Knobtviker | nice to see so many familiar people here | 14:02 |
| faenil | Knobtviker, you should join more often ;) | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | OBS is a build farm kind of thing and platform SDK is more hacker-ish, build package.. but we also hope to have qt creator integration in future | 14:03 |
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| Knobtviker | Creator integration would be most elegant, as much as Creator can be elegant | 14:03 |
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| Knobtviker | I was told OBS will not be needed | 14:03 |
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| Knobtviker | so it leaves me with Mer SDK | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | well, could you maybe say what you're trying to do, first? | 14:04 |
| Knobtviker | however, seems to be running only on Linux machines... :/ | 14:04 |
| faenil | ouch | 14:04 |
| Knobtviker | to be blunt: I want to take my Qt/QML source and modify it to the extend needed, package it and deploy on Mer | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok, can you do this for harmattan already? | 14:05 |
| Knobtviker | as I see it, if it runs on Mer - it will run on Jolla, right? | 14:05 |
| Knobtviker | sure, I can do it for Harmattan. | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | right, in mer we only provide qt/qt mobility, but stuff like Nemo provides qml components on top | 14:05 |
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| Stskeeps | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedUsingQtSDK | 14:05 |
| Knobtviker | I can handle Components, even port them over, if needed ;) | 14:05 |
| Knobtviker | qt and mobility is all I need | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | Jolla uses bits and pieces from Nemo, but the UI there has nothing in relation to what Jolla has | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | just good old fashioned non-NIH attitude | 14:06 |
| Knobtviker | I understand... | 14:06 |
| Knobtviker | even better | 14:06 |
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| Knobtviker | before you continue, I suppose I have to install Nemo on my N950 | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good start | 14:07 |
| Knobtviker | googling how to | 14:07 |
| Knobtviker | anyways, what are you up to? | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | world domination, do you even have to ask? ;) | 14:08 |
| faenil | :D | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | #nemomobile also exists, btw | 14:08 |
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| Knobtviker | lol if world domination is what you seek, then we share a common goal | 14:09 |
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| Paimen | E-P: that qt5 branch is based on 1.3.1 so I need to take my time and check what are the changes to 1.5.x and merge those manually | 14:10 |
| Paimen | also I think if it is needed I need to preserve QDecalarative code for qt 4.7 | 14:11 |
| Knobtviker | Stskeeps do you know if Jolla will provide any tools or UI bits any time soon? | 14:12 |
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| Stskeeps | Knobtviker: hopefully things will be more clearer soon, but to get things right takes time | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't work if you do one thing and then change things 3-4 times, developers hate that | 14:13 |
| faenil | and so Jollaphone was released in 2014 :D | 14:14 |
| Paimen | Knobtviker: I think it should be quite safe bet to use qt-components api, but what do I know in the end | 14:15 |
| Knobtviker | Components are just preset objects made in QML | 14:16 |
| Knobtviker | yes, some rely on the device itself but it can be avoided | 14:16 |
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| Paimen | yup | 14:16 |
| Knobtviker | just recently I ported Symbian Components to S60v5. gave me buttons, sliders, pages and so on... | 14:17 |
| Knobtviker | so I can safely work in plain QML | 14:17 |
| Knobtviker | no matter the changes introduced | 14:17 |
| Knobtviker | lol my N950 is so empty... takes ages to charge. | 14:18 |
| Knobtviker | again, for installing Nemo I need a Linux host... i get the hint.... :) | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeaaaah. :P | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | what are you on anyway, windows or mac? | 14:18 |
| Paimen | but well if you use components device manufacturer introduces it is easier to follow LAF of that certain device, but well if you use plain qml you have all the controll over what it does | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | i think at least the 'no menu bar needed/close button' helps a lot on the whole qml story at least | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | ie, you don't necessarily need to follow LAF that much | 14:20 |
| Knobtviker | I'm on Windows | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | Knobtviker: out of curiousity, if it was working properly and fast, would a virtualbox virtual machine with same system in it do it for you? | 14:21 |
| Knobtviker | true, have to keep the balance right between LAF and freedom of QML | 14:21 |
| Knobtviker | yes, virtualbox would do... why didn't I remember that | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | because normally 'emulators' suck | 14:22 |
| Knobtviker | device emulators do suck | 14:22 |
| Paimen | but yeah UI-toolkit from Jolla would be nice to have, so we would know what bits and bolts are included | 14:22 |
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| Knobtviker | while I'm installing heap of software, are there any sources I can take a look at, running on Nemo? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of packaging, or..? | 14:23 |
| Knobtviker | complete | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, maybe look around on https://build.pub.meego.com in CE:Apps | 14:23 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, Knobtviker have you got any idea how I can check where qml gallery looks for images? I'm getting lost in all q_ptrs, d_ptrs, d_functs... | 14:24 |
| Knobtviker | qml gallery? on Harmattan? | 14:25 |
| Knobtviker | isn't it only in /home/user/MyDocs/Pictures? | 14:25 |
| faenil | Knobtviker, generally speaking | 14:26 |
| Knobtviker | I believe on Harmattan it's the path above, and on Symbian it's what QDesktopService PictureLocation throws out | 14:28 |
| Knobtviker | since S^3 Belle it's E:/DCIM for sure | 14:28 |
| faenil | Knobtviker, yeah I know what the paths are, I want to see it in the code :P | 14:29 |
| Knobtviker | let me see the source please of qml gallery? | 14:30 |
| Knobtviker | ah i see I'll have some fun soon... .yaml .spec and tarballs... nice :) | 14:31 |
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| faenil | Knobtviker, not qmlgallery (nemo's app) qgallery, generally speaking :) | 14:32 |
| faenil | qmlgallery just uses DocumentGalleryModel | 14:32 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: want to test something new? :) | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: my wife's coming home, don't you have a jig? :P | 14:35 |
| Sage | well serial doesn't output proper data and I have no idea why | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:36 |
| Sage | I'm testing it myself at first but if it doesn't boot I need you :P | 14:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: i'm going away in an hour until saturday evening probably | 14:38 |
| Sage | ok | 14:39 |
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| faenil | Knobtviker, it uses MDS for symbian :O | 14:40 |
| Knobtviker | sorry, MDS? | 14:41 |
| faenil | yeah :/ | 14:42 |
| faenil | http://www.symlab.org/wiki/index.php/Mds/QueryGuide | 14:42 |
| Knobtviker | so is that a problem for you? what are you trying to do anyways? :) | 14:43 |
| faenil | Knobtviker, I'm just learning new things :) | 14:43 |
| faenil | Knobtviker, mainly working on qmlgallery for nemomobile atm :) | 14:44 |
| Knobtviker | oh nice... | 14:44 |
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| Knobtviker | so what does it use on Harmattan? | 14:44 |
| faenil | tracker, but I'm trying to get to know more... | 14:44 |
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| Knobtviker | uh tracker... | 14:46 |
| faenil | and it seems it uses rdf, correct Stskeeps ? | 14:47 |
| Knobtviker | had my share of troubles with it... | 14:47 |
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| Knobtviker | is the same tracker on Nemo? | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | a bit better one | 14:48 |
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| faenil | so it's not a matter of paths...it just asks for images with a query... | 14:49 |
| faenil | the paths are probably stored in the tracker... :/ | 14:49 |
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| Knobtviker | iirc files are tagged as pictures | 14:50 |
| faenil | most likely | 14:50 |
| Knobtviker | I only scratched the surface with some tracker queries looking for contacts and services | 14:51 |
| faenil | but how does it restrict folders? | 14:51 |
| Knobtviker | should be the same principal | 14:51 |
| Knobtviker | it doesn't query them | 14:51 |
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| faenil | well, the code here is building a query... | 14:51 |
| Knobtviker | which goes like what once built? | 14:52 |
| faenil | don't know, it's a lot of code | 14:52 |
| faenil | but it uses rdf | 14:53 |
| Knobtviker | tracker also has specific locations stored inside aswell | 14:53 |
| faenil | Knobtviker, that's what I meant :) | 14:54 |
| Bostik | oh gawd, tracker and rdf can only mean SPARQL | 14:54 |
| faenil | Bostik, exactly, it uses sparql | 14:54 |
| faenil | do you how the tracker restricts folder it looks for images in? | 14:56 |
| Bostik | I have a passing memory of tweaking tracker's configuration file for that | 14:57 |
| faenil | ohhh there we go, so it's true, it has paths somewhere hardcoded :D | 14:57 |
| Bostik | crawl root, omitted/included directories, ... don't remember if it was even possible to restrict file types for paths | 14:58 |
| faenil | here's it! | 15:03 |
| faenil | /home/nemo/.config/tracker/tracker-miner-fs.cfg | 15:03 |
| faenil | I never surrender :D | 15:03 |
| Knobtviker | gg | 15:03 |
| faenil | and it uses variables from /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults | 15:06 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, you should have avoided that bloodshed :D | 15:06 |
| faenil | so tracker scans Desktop, Downloads, Templates, Public, Documents, Music, Pictures, Videos...and it ignores a list of file extensions :) | 15:06 |
| faenil | (those are folders under HOME dir | 15:07 |
| faenil | ) | 15:07 |
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| Knobtviker | even hidden folders? | 15:09 |
| faenil | sorry it doesn't scan Templates nor Public | 15:12 |
| faenil | Knobtviker, there's nothing about hidden folders in the config | 15:13 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: uh, the util-linux fails multiple packages :/ | 20:45 |
| Sage | I fixed the cups already but there is 4 others | 20:45 |
| Sage | need to check all of those. 3 of those were perl packages | 20:45 |
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| * Sage is quite happy after getting the N900 to boot with Mer next almost ok ;) | 20:46 | |
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| rcg1 | Sage: could you solve your issues? | 20:54 |
| rcg1 | i just saw you discussing some issues which appeared quite essential lately | 20:55 |
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| Sage | rcg1: yes, finally got n900 booting with the upcoming mer release | 21:00 |
| Sage | still some patches that needs to be merged but hopefully soon we get it out | 21:01 |
| rcg1 | Sage: great :) | 21:01 |
| rcg1 | how much additional work is needed for n950/n9 then? | 21:02 |
| Sage | well, n900 is almost done and I think n950 will be relatively small work now that I got n900 working | 21:02 |
| rcg1 | nice :) | 21:03 |
| rcg1 | btw, how do you manage to invest that much time into mer? | 21:03 |
| rcg1 | if i may ask :) | 21:03 |
| Sage | less sleep and life more Mer ;) | 21:08 |
| mikhas | also known as motivation | 21:10 |
| rcg1 | mikhas: well... even despite of motivation.. there are only so many hours in a day ;P | 21:11 |
| rcg1 | Sage: well, kudos to all you hard working fellas :) | 21:11 |
| smoku | MOAR COFFEE | 21:12 |
| smoku | ;-) | 21:12 |
| smoku | Sage: what changed in next causing you problems on n900? | 21:13 |
| Sage | smoku: systemd+udev stuff + lots of dependencies that needed updates | 21:19 |
| * w00t has a few wtf moments over http://qtl.me/0001-Avoid-accidental-usage-of-system-libraries.patch | 21:19 | |
| smoku | oh | 21:19 |
| smoku | Sage: yesterday 'zypper up' removed udev from my machine ;-) | 21:20 |
| Sage | smoku: if you used -next repo that is intension | 21:20 |
| Sage | as systemd provides udev now | 21:20 |
| w00t | Sage: guess who just spent some hours debugging stupid errors in .pc files (Libs.private: -L/home/abuild/rpmbuild/....) which looks to be caused by that :-( | 21:20 |
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| Sage | w00t: guess who has debugged systemd stuff whole week (not all the time but still) | 21:21 |
| rcg2 | hmmz re | 21:21 |
| w00t | ok, you win | 21:21 |
| w00t | let's nuke systemd | 21:21 |
| w00t | ;p | 21:21 |
| Sage | ok, time to go to sleep. | 21:21 |
| w00t | i know! we can use upstart instead | 21:21 |
| smoku | Sage: you may wonder how happy zypper was when it lost udev linkage ;-) | 21:21 |
| * w00t runs away | 21:21 | |
| * Sage closes laptop and puts it under his bed. | 21:22 | |
| smoku | 'night | 21:23 |
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