Thursday, 2012-07-26

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* kaziklubey is wondering if it´s possible to buy a Mer t-shirt as a lurker? I´m in a t-shirt-buying-supporter-streak at the moment. Well yes..:) 01:34
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jpwhitinghmm, is there a mer/plasma active image installer that has NetworkManager by default? connman doesn't seem to want to work on an exopc here02:07
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iekkumorning03:18
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* Stskeeps clings to the coffee machine03:58
* rantom needs coffee but can't have any yet, not enough time04:01
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Stskeepsjpwhiting: they've been working on that at least04:21
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E-Pmorning iekku, Stskeeps04:51
Stskeepsmorn E-P04:51
StskeepsE-P: if i'm to test somebody's non-developer QA skills, would using Nemo as an example and asking them to create a test plan be sane?04:52
Stskeepsand perhaps run through it04:52
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Stskeepsseeing how they file bugs04:52
E-PStskeeps: sure, seeing how he/she recognizes the main issues and how to get overall test coverage04:56
Stskeeps:nod:04:56
E-PI see nemo as working prototype, or actually even more than that, so it is good place to start04:57
iekku+105:00
iekkuStskeeps, i was just thinking about that when coming to work05:00
iekkubest way is to ask to do test plan, run it and report05:00
Stskeepsyes05:02
Stskeeps'Your challenge is to create materials that helps you detect regression in a prototype application.' ?05:02
iekku:nod:05:02
E-Pit is also wise to focus on one domain, example networking (2g, 3g, hspa) or communication (wlan, bt)05:06
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E-Plike using wlan to stream video/music and using bt headset for audio05:07
Stskeeps:nod: the idea is to let them pick their own challenge as it also shows their own character05:07
E-Pnice05:07
iekkuand how challenging tasks they are ready to take05:10
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timophmorning05:21
dm8tbrmoaning05:21
Paimenmourning05:25
Paimentodays agenda: queuing lot of it05:25
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iekkucoffee????05:27
kyyberimoan05:30
timophroarr05:30
Paimenhow to do regression testing for coffee machine :P05:31
Stskeepsslap the side of it and see if it still brews05:31
Stskeeps?05:31
Stskeeps;)05:31
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timoph:)05:33
timophyou want to automate that05:33
Paimenyou need to ensure slap is always with predictable force and hits to sweet spot05:34
iekku:D05:34
PaimenQA is serious business05:36
kyyberi:)05:36
iekkuno it's not05:36
iekkuit's supposed to be fun05:36
timophiekku: heretic!05:36
iekkuand oh the joy when you find a such a evil failure05:37
Paimenwell you get chance to try and break stuff05:37
Paimenso yes it can be fun05:37
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Stskeepsmorn phaeron06:01
phaeronmorning06:02
Stskeepsfeeling better today?06:03
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phaeronsomewhat, but sleeping rhythm is messed up :D06:03
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rcgmornin06:41
Stskeepsmorn rcg06:43
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E-Pshould zypper work in vm image? I get "Failed to cache rpm database (132)."06:55
Stskeepshmm, it should06:55
Stskeepsshow me full output?06:55
E-PI built the image with --record-pkgs=name --pkgmgr=yum options06:56
E-Pjust a sec06:56
lbtmorning all06:56
E-PStskeeps: http://pastie.org/433496006:57
Stskeepsthat's new06:58
Stskeepsooh.06:58
StskeepsE-P: what processor are you on>?06:58
E-Phmm.. maybe related to kvm06:58
lbtStskeeps: i586 on i486?06:59
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Stskeepslbt: atom on i486.. zypper is notorious to trigger that06:59
lbtyeah06:59
lbtE-P: pastie zypper lr -d06:59
E-PStskeeps: I am running that on hetzner vm, cpuinfo shows  QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.12.3 and uname  i686 i686 i38607:00
E-Pmaybe not the best idea to run qemu inside qemu07:00
phaeronzypper worksforme in a kvm07:00
E-PI will try that on real pc07:01
StskeepsE-P: hmm, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep ssse307:01
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E-PStskeeps: not supported07:02
StskeepsE-P: yeah, you probably need -A i486 then07:03
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E-Plbt: core and hw adaptation are i58607:03
phaeronyep or change the kvm cpu parameters07:03
lbtthat'll be the issue then07:03
Stskeepsdon't we have hw adaptation built for i486 too?07:03
StskeepsSage: so where are we with systemd nightmare?07:03
* lbt listens for the sobs07:03
lbtah yes, I think Sage is under the table in the corner....07:04
E-Pthanks, I try i486 first07:04
StskeepsE-P: you may be able to do it with '-cpu ?'07:05
Stskeepsand find one with ssse307:05
SageStskeeps: my ******* sdcard reader says again that I don't want to work with this kernel :)07:06
phaeronE-P: try kvm -cpu kvm3207:06
E-PStskeeps, phaeron: ok07:06
E-Pthere isn't hw adaptation for i48607:06
StskeepsSage: ouch?07:07
Stskeeps:P07:07
StskeepsSage: really bad solution, but use the n900 as sd card reader..07:07
Stskeeps:P07:07
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E-Pphaeron: doesn't work, i will try on normal pc07:10
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phaeronit didn't boot or same error ?07:13
E-Psame error07:13
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phaeronE-P: did cpuinfo flags change ?07:14
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phaeronbecause the support is probably missing anyway in that i486 glibc07:14
phaeronnot sure though. maybe just create a new image with i586 and -A i68607:14
E-Pphaeron: yes cpuinfo flags changed, but no ssse3 supported07:18
phaeronhmm there was a switch to copy host cpu07:21
phaeronE-P: try -cpu host or at least -cpu kvm32,+ssse307:22
E-Pthe host cpu doesn't support ssse3 either, because it is qemu virtual machine too07:22
phaeronoh qemu in qemu :)07:22
phaeronnot gonna work if you don't have nested kvm07:23
phaeronand going to be very slow07:23
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SageStskeeps: anyway vgrade2 pointed out yesterday that kernel modules might need to be in /usr/lib instead of /lib/ as of kmod. However I checked our kmod and it should be /lib as usual07:26
StskeepsSage: ok07:26
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E-Pphaeron: ok07:32
StskeepsSage: can you enable i486 build for generic-x86?07:32
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Venemo_N9morning07:40
SageStskeeps: sure07:42
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Sagedone07:43
Stskeepsta07:45
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Stskeepsgood morning Oipo07:57
OipoMorning.07:57
SageStskeeps: can you get lsmod output of the next image you have?07:57
Sagen900 that is07:57
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StskeepsSage: want me to re-generate image and flash it?07:57
Sageno. the old is fine07:58
Sageif you still have it07:58
Stskeepsi've done mods to it, it was empty when i lsmod'ed straight off image start07:58
Stskeepsalso, the /boot issue07:58
Sageoh, lsmod was empty out of the box?07:58
Sagedid you get it fixed?07:58
Stskeepsafter manually depmod -a'ing07:59
Stskeepswhich means kernel packaging is screwed07:59
Sagehmmp07:59
tanuk2Oh, I forgot to ask before making a review: what should the group be for json-c? I set it to Multimedia/PulseAudio, because pulseaudio is the only one needing it, but I'm not sure if that was correct.07:59
Stskeepstanuk2: that works for me, in practice we'll probably do an outside-rpm database08:00
SageStskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=kernel-adaptation-n900&oproject=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900&package=kernel-adaptation-n900&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AAdaptation%3AN900&rev=508:00
SageStskeeps: all the .bin ones do not generate on -Next08:00
StskeepsSage: is kmod included in build log?08:01
SageStskeeps: on -next yes08:01
Sageon old only module-init-tools08:02
Sageand kmod-libs08:02
Stskeepsok08:02
Sagehmmp...08:02
Stskeepsis there maybe kernel patches needed to use kmod properly?08:02
Sagewell x86 didn't get a patch08:03
Sageit shows 2 modules with lsmod08:03
Stskeepshmm08:04
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SageI don't see any kmod dependencies on fedora kernel build at least08:06
Sagethey have module-init-tools dep but that is obsoleted by kmod as we have08:06
* Sage compares kmod packages08:07
E-PStskeeps: in the .ks file, is it possible to run 'eat-add-device-key' for root or user?08:08
StskeepsE-P: yes08:08
Stskeepslog.04-19-2012:[14:05:28]<Stskeeps> #info re-architected EAT -- to add test enablement to a device, add Mer:Tools:Devel, add eat-device in %packages and su -c 'eat-add-device-key' - root and for each of the users needing test login08:08
Stskeepsin %post08:09
E-Pah, thanks08:09
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E-Pworks nicely08:16
SageStskeeps: after the depmod does it load modules on upcoming boots?08:18
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Stskeepsyes, but doesnt fully boot still08:19
Sagehttp://pastie.org/433524408:20
Sagefrom fedora08:20
Stskeepsuhh08:20
Stskeepsso it depmods on install instead?08:20
Sageit seems so08:21
Sageand it seems also that with kmod some of those files are not generated anymore during kernel compile08:21
SageStskeeps: add the /boot after doing the depmod -a does the boot.mount fail then?08:24
Sageboot to fstab08:24
Stskeepssec, need to deal with somehing08:25
Sagepushing some things to review. Probably more to come but want to see how those build with everything08:30
Stskeepsok08:30
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SageStskeeps: has mer ever had e4fsprogs package in it?08:38
Stskeepsnot to my knowledge..08:39
Stskeepsi thought e2fsprogs handled it08:39
Sagehttp://pastie.org/4335325 :)08:39
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Stskeepsmmkay08:39
SageJust wondering if I could just remove that obsolete if mer never had it08:39
Stskeepssure08:39
Sagethat is error that we should make rpmlint to fail on I think08:40
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Stskeepsmorn slaine08:42
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alteregoWhat is supposed to clean up .sdkoptions? I'm getting bored of rm'ing it every boot :)08:47
alteregoMaybe I should stick mer-sdk-chroot mount and unmount in my init scripts.08:47
timophI'm using a simple script that has mount, enter and umount in it08:48
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slainehowdy08:49
lbto/08:49
lbtalterego: you reboot ?08:50
alteregoYes :P08:50
lbtah08:50
alteregoI poweroff at night because my computer still doesn't have a case ;)08:50
* lbt doesn't have that itch :)08:50
alteregoWell, I don't like the noise when I'm sleeping, not that it's loud, it's also very hot too.08:50
alteregoAnd there's those l33t hackers around O_O08:51
timophhttp://pastie.org/4335374 <- like this08:52
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yunta_qa meeting today?08:59
Stskeepsyes08:59
alteregotimoph: ah, not a bad solution I guess ;)08:59
Stskeepsi'm not sure i'll be around as i'm travelling on the highway towards poznan at that point08:59
alteregotimoph: but I chroot in to it in several terminals.08:59
timophah08:59
alteregotimoph: even remotely08:59
yunta_what time?09:00
timophanyway, I think that part of the sdk needs some loving09:00
timophnot everyone uses it like lbt :p09:01
Stskeepsyunta_: 12 UTC09:01
yunta_ok09:02
yunta_Stskeeps: while in Poznan, make sure to add "tej"(tey) at the end of every sentence09:03
Stskeepsyunta_: local accent?09:04
yunta_yeah, they do that there09:05
Stskeepsinteresting09:06
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yunta_barely, but good to know09:07
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lbtalterego: I have several chroots too09:41
lbtI think it'd be easy to add autodetect and cleanup to the enter/mount side09:42
Sageok... so what does http://qtl.merproject.org/f30c54f0-d705-11e1-a20c-00163e6e0038.txt mean09:44
Sagehow there can be suddently more files :)09:44
Stskeepswhy the heck do we have init scripts09:44
Stskeepsan regexp that matches multiple things?09:44
* Sage checks cups again09:46
SageI wonder how the kmod change did trigger that failure09:47
Sagehttp://review.merproject.org/#change,69409:47
Stskeepsperhaps a bad missync09:48
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SageStskeeps: well cups has rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/rc?.d09:56
StskeepsSage: huh09:56
Sagein %install section09:56
Stskeepshow come it's there then? :)09:56
SageI have no idea09:57
Sagecan you trigger rebuild for that kmod09:58
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Sageah, no need same happens on my own home09:59
Sageer.... actually not09:59
Sagehttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=cups&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7l&repository=Mer_Core-next_armv7hl o_0 :D10:00
Sageuh, forgot to pull -next changes.10:01
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SageStskeeps: btw, could you get "/lib/systemd/systemd --test --system" output of the n900 and the -next you have on it atm.10:11
Stskeepsi'll take the one that boots, yes10:12
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tanuk2Sage: You said yesterday that speexdsp should be updated, but to me it seems that it's already at the newest version (1.2rc1).10:15
tanuk2I added the version dependencies to pulseaudio.spec, and there were no unmet dependencies.10:16
Stskeepsgood10:16
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Sagetanuk2: oh ok. my bad :)10:19
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SageStskeeps: what is mer's opinion about /usr/sbin/alternatives?10:19
Sagewe don't have it but should we?10:19
Stskeepswhat usecase?10:20
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StskeepsSage: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/minicom.n900.8.cap10:21
Sagejust pondering if we should cut that part from cups .spec imported from fedora10:25
Sagethere was define that I disabled10:25
Sagebut still I would prefer just removing the code if we don't use it10:26
Stskeepswhat part of it?10:26
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Sage%if %use_alternatives10:28
Stskeepsah10:28
Sageall those and content :)10:28
Stskeepsyeah, let's not bother with alternatives for now10:29
Stskeepsi haven't seen a rpm alternatives system though10:30
Stskeepsfeel free to refer me to it10:30
Sage-       $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/rc?.d10:30
Sage+       $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/rc*.d10:30
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Sage    Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:10:30
Sage   /etc/rc.d/rc0.d/K36cups10:30
Stskeepsuhh...10:30
Sagehow did it work before? :)10:30
Sageor how does that work actually. does bash extend rc?.d to rc.d as well?10:33
Sageapparently not10:33
Sageit compiled once ok thus I'm confused :)10:34
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SageStskeeps: rpm -q grubby on the n900 image please10:39
Stskeepsnot installed10:40
Sagefun10:41
Sagefound one problem at least10:41
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Stskeepsoh?10:46
Sagehttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=kernel-adaptation-n900&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AAdaptation%3AN900&rev=610:46
Stskeepsok10:47
Sagedepmod wasn't called in n900 at all thus it can cause strange things10:47
Stskeepsyes10:47
Sagelets see if that helps a bit.10:47
* Sage is still confused how cups compiled in -next10:48
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Stskeepshello kallela :)11:18
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kallelaStskeeps: hi! :)11:19
Stskeepskallela: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?11:20
kallelaStskeeps: thanks! interest in mer, nemo & jolla, obviously ;)11:21
Stskeepscool :) #nemomobile , #jollamobile exists as well, if you have any questions about Mer, feel free to ask at any time, or on how to contribute, else feel free to hang out :)11:22
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kallelaStskeeps: right, I'll join those channels too11:24
iekku:)11:24
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OipoAh, I have some questions about Jolla, is it perhaps better to go to #jollamobile for that, or perhaps better to do so in PM?11:28
Stskeepsyou can do that in #jollamobile, it's mostly unofficial channel but a lot of us hang out there11:28
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timophQA meeting in 30 mins, right?11:30
Paimenoh it is today11:30
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Stskeepshello rsadhu :)11:33
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iekkuPaimen, usually on thu11:37
Paimeniekku: yup, just bit confused what day it is today11:38
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iekkuPaimen, you are on vacation, right?11:39
E-PReminder: Mer QA meeting starting in 20mins in #mer-meeting11:40
Paimeniekku, yup on vacation still11:40
iekkuPaimen, then it's all ok and even more.11:41
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Paimen:)11:41
PaimenSage: was it in your repository that has tdriver codes11:43
Sagehome:sage:ruby11:43
Sageerr... home:sage:mer:ruby11:44
Paimenis there some document that describes what I need to do to start modifying those11:44
SagePaimen: not that I know of11:45
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E-PMer QA meeting starting now11:59
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PaimenSage: maybe stupid question, but that qttas is just tarball from git and you only updated building instructions?12:05
SagePaimen: ?12:05
Paimenhttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=qttas&project=home%3Asage%3Amer%3Aruby12:06
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SagePaimen: yes tarball from git tag12:07
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Paimenok, so should I just create personal branch to gitorous for qt5 changes?12:08
SagePaimen: well. I just packaged the stuff I don't have anything to do with the git tree ;)12:09
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Paimenyeah I know, just wondering what is correct way to start doing this12:10
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E-PPaimen: make personal clone to gitorious, make hacks to your personal clone and then request merge12:11
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PaimenE-P: well merge requests justs seems to sit there and no reactions, but well yeah I make my own branch there12:12
E-Pif that is so, then we have to see if we could get admin rights to the master12:12
PaimenE-P: for example linux memory fixture fix has been on merge request for 4 months now12:13
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E-PPaimen: http://gitorious.org/~ration/tdriver/rations-agent_qt13:03
E-Psome qt5 changes added recently13:04
ericcmes  os had  a  good   voice soft?13:04
ericci  send13:04
ericca  MESSGE,THEN  IT CAN READ IT  AND  VIOCE IT??13:05
Stskeepsericc: i think you have to look at 'pocketsphinx'13:06
PaimenE-P: yup I noticed13:07
Paimenthere is already some naming changes also for qquick items in juhapekka's branch of that13:08
E-Pgood13:08
Paimenbut it is branched from older master so some manual checking is needed, also I'm not sure does those changes work with qtquick 1.013:09
Paimenso basically I prefer to have code that is usable with both13:09
E-Pyes, if it's possible to do it like that13:10
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E-Pbut now I have to take a dog out13:10
E-Pit is sunny here and warm... weird13:10
Paimengood reminder I need to take dogs out too13:10
Paimenwell they are out, but to forest have some exercise too13:10
E-Pyep, same here13:11
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Stskeepshey InformatiQ :)13:55
InformatiQhei Stskeeps13:55
InformatiQhow's it going13:55
Stskeepsit's going good.. going on a small trip to north-western poland this afternoon13:55
InformatiQvacation?13:56
InformatiQi was in poland ofr a day and went barefoot in a kind of a fountain13:56
InformatiQvery refreshing13:56
Stskeepshehe, yeah, that's very nice here13:56
Stskeepsyeah, i haven't had my yearly festival visit so i need to de-stress on a regular basis :P13:57
InformatiQi'm sure you've earned it13:58
InformatiQhave fun13:58
Stskeepsthanks13:58
InformatiQit seems quite here13:58
Stskeepsjust in the sweet spot where people are leaving work and other side of globe is waking up13:59
InformatiQaha13:59
* w00t is still here13:59
w00tthough not for long13:59
w00tnearly time to go shopping13:59
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Stskeepshello Knobtviker o/14:01
Knobtvikerhello :)14:01
Stskeepswelcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?14:01
Knobtvikerlong time since I was here14:01
Stskeepshehe14:01
KnobtvikerI was told by Jolla to come here and listen to big boys on how to build a package for their future OS :)14:02
faenilhey Knobtviker :)14:02
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Knobtvikerhi faenil :D14:02
StskeepsKnobtviker: sure, many ways - we have a Mer platform SDK and there's OBS14:02
Knobtvikernice to see so many familiar people here14:02
faenilKnobtviker, you should join more often ;)14:02
StskeepsOBS is a build farm kind of thing and platform SDK is more hacker-ish, build package.. but we also hope to have qt creator integration in future14:03
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KnobtvikerCreator integration would be most elegant, as much as Creator can be elegant14:03
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KnobtvikerI was told OBS will not be needed14:03
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Knobtvikerso it leaves me with Mer SDK14:03
Stskeepswell, could you maybe say what you're trying to do, first?14:04
Knobtvikerhowever, seems to be running only on Linux machines... :/14:04
faenilouch14:04
Knobtvikerto be blunt: I want to take my Qt/QML source and modify it to the extend needed, package it and deploy on Mer14:04
Stskeepsok, can you do this for harmattan already?14:05
Knobtvikeras I see it, if it runs on Mer - it will run on Jolla, right?14:05
Knobtvikersure, I can do it for Harmattan.14:05
Stskeepsright, in mer we only provide qt/qt mobility, but stuff like Nemo provides qml components on top14:05
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Stskeepshttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedUsingQtSDK14:05
KnobtvikerI can handle Components, even port them over, if needed ;)14:05
Knobtvikerqt and mobility is all I need14:06
StskeepsJolla uses bits and pieces from Nemo, but the UI there has nothing in relation to what Jolla has14:06
Stskeepsjust good old fashioned non-NIH attitude14:06
KnobtvikerI understand...14:06
Knobtvikereven better14:06
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Knobtvikerbefore you continue, I suppose I have to install Nemo on my N95014:07
Stskeepsthat's a good start14:07
Knobtvikergoogling how to14:07
Knobtvikeranyways, what are you up to?14:08
Stskeepsworld domination, do you even have to ask? ;)14:08
faenil:D14:08
Stskeeps#nemomobile also exists, btw14:08
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Knobtvikerlol if world domination is what you seek, then we share a common goal14:09
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PaimenE-P: that qt5 branch is based on 1.3.1 so I need to take my time and check what are the changes to 1.5.x and merge those manually14:10
Paimenalso I think if it is needed I need to preserve QDecalarative code for qt 4.714:11
KnobtvikerStskeeps do you know if Jolla will provide any tools or UI bits any time soon?14:12
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StskeepsKnobtviker: hopefully things will be more clearer soon, but to get things right takes time14:13
Stskeepsdoesn't work if you do one thing and then change things 3-4 times, developers hate that14:13
faeniland so Jollaphone was released in 2014 :D14:14
PaimenKnobtviker: I think it should be quite safe bet to use qt-components api, but what do I know in the end14:15
KnobtvikerComponents are just preset objects made in QML14:16
Knobtvikeryes, some rely on the device itself but it can be avoided14:16
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Paimenyup14:16
Knobtvikerjust recently I ported Symbian Components to S60v5. gave me buttons, sliders, pages and so on...14:17
Knobtvikerso I can safely work in plain QML14:17
Knobtvikerno matter the changes introduced14:17
Knobtvikerlol my N950 is so empty... takes ages to charge.14:18
Knobtvikeragain, for installing Nemo I need a Linux host... i get the hint.... :)14:18
Stskeepsyeaaaah. :P14:18
Stskeepswhat are you on anyway, windows or mac?14:18
Paimenbut well if you use components device manufacturer introduces it is easier to follow LAF of that certain device, but well if you use plain qml you have all the controll over what it does14:18
Stskeepsi think at least the 'no menu bar needed/close button' helps a lot on the whole qml story at least14:20
Stskeepsie, you don't necessarily need to follow LAF that much14:20
KnobtvikerI'm on Windows14:20
StskeepsKnobtviker: out of curiousity, if it was working properly and fast, would a virtualbox virtual machine with same system in it do it for you?14:21
Knobtvikertrue, have to keep the balance right between LAF and freedom of QML14:21
Knobtvikeryes, virtualbox would do... why didn't I remember that14:21
Stskeepsbecause normally 'emulators' suck14:22
Knobtvikerdevice emulators do suck14:22
Paimenbut yeah UI-toolkit from Jolla would be nice to have, so we would know what bits and bolts are included14:22
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Knobtvikerwhile I'm installing heap of software, are there any sources I can take a look at, running on Nemo?14:23
Stskeepsin terms of packaging, or..?14:23
Knobtvikercomplete14:23
Stskeepshmm, maybe look around on https://build.pub.meego.com in CE:Apps14:23
faenilStskeeps, Knobtviker have you got any idea how I can check where qml gallery looks for images? I'm getting lost in all q_ptrs, d_ptrs, d_functs...14:24
Knobtvikerqml gallery? on Harmattan?14:25
Knobtvikerisn't it only in /home/user/MyDocs/Pictures?14:25
faenilKnobtviker, generally speaking14:26
KnobtvikerI believe on Harmattan it's the path above, and on Symbian it's what QDesktopService PictureLocation throws out14:28
Knobtvikersince S^3 Belle it's E:/DCIM for sure14:28
faenilKnobtviker, yeah I know what the paths are, I want to see it in the code :P14:29
Knobtvikerlet me see the source please of qml gallery?14:30
Knobtvikerah i see I'll have some fun soon... .yaml .spec and tarballs... nice :)14:31
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faenilKnobtviker, not qmlgallery (nemo's app) qgallery, generally speaking :)14:32
faenilqmlgallery just uses DocumentGalleryModel14:32
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SageStskeeps: want to test something new? :)14:35
StskeepsSage: my wife's coming home, don't you have a jig? :P14:35
Sagewell serial doesn't output proper data and I have no idea why14:36
Stskeepsok14:36
SageI'm testing it myself at first but if it doesn't boot I need you :P14:37
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StskeepsSage: i'm going away in an hour until saturday evening probably14:38
Sageok14:39
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faenilKnobtviker, it uses MDS for symbian :O14:40
Knobtvikersorry, MDS?14:41
faenilyeah :/14:42
faenilhttp://www.symlab.org/wiki/index.php/Mds/QueryGuide14:42
Knobtvikerso is that a problem for you? what are you trying to do anyways? :)14:43
faenilKnobtviker, I'm just learning new things :)14:43
faenilKnobtviker, mainly working on qmlgallery for nemomobile atm :)14:44
Knobtvikeroh nice...14:44
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Knobtvikerso what does it use on Harmattan?14:44
faeniltracker, but I'm trying to get to know more...14:44
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Knobtvikeruh tracker...14:46
faeniland it seems it uses rdf, correct Stskeeps ?14:47
Knobtvikerhad my share of troubles with it...14:47
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Knobtvikeris the same tracker on Nemo?14:47
Stskeepsa bit better one14:48
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faenilso it's not a matter of paths...it just asks for images with a query...14:49
faenilthe paths are probably stored in the tracker... :/14:49
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Knobtvikeriirc files are tagged as pictures14:50
faenilmost likely14:50
KnobtvikerI only scratched the surface with some tracker queries looking for contacts and services14:51
faenilbut how does it restrict folders?14:51
Knobtvikershould be the same principal14:51
Knobtvikerit doesn't query them14:51
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faenilwell, the code here is building a query...14:51
Knobtvikerwhich goes like what once built?14:52
faenildon't know, it's a lot of code14:52
faenilbut it uses rdf14:53
Knobtvikertracker also has specific locations stored inside aswell14:53
faenilKnobtviker, that's what I meant :)14:54
Bostikoh gawd, tracker and rdf can only mean SPARQL14:54
faenilBostik, exactly, it uses sparql14:54
faenildo you how the tracker restricts folder it looks for images in?14:56
BostikI have a passing memory of tweaking tracker's configuration file for that14:57
faenilohhh there we go, so it's true, it has paths somewhere hardcoded :D14:57
Bostikcrawl root, omitted/included directories, ... don't remember if it was even possible to restrict file types for paths14:58
faenilhere's it!15:03
faenil/home/nemo/.config/tracker/tracker-miner-fs.cfg15:03
faenilI never surrender :D15:03
Knobtvikergg15:03
faeniland it uses variables from /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults15:06
faenilStskeeps, you should have avoided that bloodshed :D15:06
faenilso tracker scans Desktop, Downloads, Templates, Public, Documents, Music, Pictures, Videos...and it ignores a list of file extensions :)15:06
faenil(those are folders under HOME dir15:07
faenil)15:07
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Knobtvikereven hidden folders?15:09
faenilsorry it doesn't scan Templates nor Public15:12
faenilKnobtviker, there's nothing about hidden folders in the config15:13
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redsteakrawDoes anyone know how far along the kernel is on the Zenithink C71+ ?18:06
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trip0redsteakraw, vgrade2 may know18:11
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SageStskeeps: uh, the util-linux fails multiple packages :/20:45
SageI fixed the cups already but there is 4 others20:45
Sageneed to check all of those. 3 of those were perl packages20:45
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* Sage is quite happy after getting the N900 to boot with Mer next almost ok ;)20:46
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rcg1Sage: could you solve your issues?20:54
rcg1i just saw you discussing some issues which appeared quite essential lately20:55
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Sagercg1: yes, finally got n900 booting with the upcoming mer release21:00
Sagestill some patches that needs to be merged but hopefully soon we get it out21:01
rcg1Sage: great :)21:01
rcg1how much additional work is needed for n950/n9 then?21:02
Sagewell, n900 is almost done and I think n950 will be relatively small work now that I got n900 working21:02
rcg1nice :)21:03
rcg1btw, how do you manage to invest that much time into mer?21:03
rcg1if i may ask :)21:03
Sageless sleep and life more Mer ;)21:08
mikhasalso known as motivation21:10
rcg1mikhas: well... even despite of motivation.. there are only so many hours in a day ;P21:11
rcg1Sage: well, kudos to all you hard working fellas :)21:11
smokuMOAR COFFEE21:12
smoku;-)21:12
smokuSage: what changed in next causing you problems on n900?21:13
Sagesmoku: systemd+udev stuff + lots of dependencies that needed updates21:19
* w00t has a few wtf moments over http://qtl.me/0001-Avoid-accidental-usage-of-system-libraries.patch21:19
smokuoh21:19
smokuSage: yesterday 'zypper up' removed udev from my machine ;-)21:20
Sagesmoku: if you used -next repo that is intension21:20
Sageas systemd provides udev now21:20
w00tSage: guess who just spent some hours debugging stupid errors in .pc files (Libs.private: -L/home/abuild/rpmbuild/....) which looks to be caused by that :-(21:20
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Sagew00t: guess who has debugged systemd stuff whole week (not all the time but still)21:21
rcg2hmmz re21:21
w00tok, you win21:21
w00tlet's nuke systemd21:21
w00t;p21:21
Sageok, time to go to sleep.21:21
w00ti know! we can use upstart instead21:21
smokuSage: you may wonder how happy zypper was when it lost udev linkage ;-)21:21
* w00t runs away21:21
* Sage closes laptop and puts it under his bed.21:22
smoku'night21:23
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