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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:02 |
| Stskeeps | trip0: first now | 05:02 |
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| Stskeeps | morn sage | 05:13 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: morning | 05:14 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: so where are we at by now? | 05:15 |
| Stskeeps | and what can i help with? | 05:15 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: can you get N900 log for me from the last .ks I put to pastie? | 05:15 |
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| Stskeeps | if you tell me what url it was.. | 05:19 |
| Stskeeps | (sorry, pre-coffee) | 05:20 |
| iekku | :) | 05:20 |
| Stskeeps | [17:43] <Sage_> Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4317340 next .ks to try | 05:21 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 05:21 |
| Sage | yes | 05:21 |
| Stskeeps | okidokey | 05:22 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: we should consider getting nfs booting back up.. | 05:25 |
| Sage | yes | 05:25 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/minicom.n900.5.cap | 05:41 |
| Sage | o_0 | 05:43 |
| Sage | mtab issue there ... | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | i don't see a mtab fix in .ks at least | 05:44 |
| Stskeeps | so i need to fix mtab? | 05:46 |
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| niqt | morning | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | mornn iqt | 05:59 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: it is in packages already | 06:06 |
| Sage | or should be at lesat | 06:08 |
| * Sage rechecks | 06:08 | |
| timoph | morning | 06:09 |
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| Stskeeps | morn phaeron | 06:12 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: morning | 06:18 |
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| * Sage got tired and moves everything in systemd under /usr/ | 07:09 | |
| Stskeeps | heh | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | can we please get stuff working first? | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:09 |
| * Sage is confused about the current problems | 07:15 | |
| Sage | it has to be something on kernel level | 07:15 |
| Sage | /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.22 assertion fail elf32-arm.c:12049 | 07:16 |
| Sage | this was "ok" ? | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:17 |
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| lbt | morning | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 07:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hello markQ | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: so, what can i do to proceed? | 07:39 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: yet another image and log. | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | gimme? | 07:41 |
| Sage | same .ks file should do no changes there | 07:41 |
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| Stskeeps | hm? how about mtab fix? | 07:42 |
| rcg | morning guya | 07:43 |
| rcg | *guys | 07:43 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: fixed in packaging https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=util-linux&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7l&rev=10 | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: OK | 07:44 |
| Sage | I'm not fully understanding why that is needed but fedora does that as well | 07:44 |
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| Sage | boot.mount mount process exited, code=exited status=32 | 07:50 |
| * Sage ponders why is that | 07:50 | |
| Sage | Stskeeps: what is in /etc/fstab on the device? | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | that was what i was going to ask | 07:51 |
| Sage | :) | 07:52 |
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| Sage | http://pastie.org/4328871 | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | looks fine, hmm | 07:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: btw, are the images quite small? | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | ~1gb ish? | 08:04 |
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| E-P | morning, visiting in a chocolate factory sale is good way to start a day | 08:12 |
| iekku | E-P, panda? | 08:12 |
| E-P | iekku: yep | 08:13 |
| iekku | E-P, my parents-in-law leaves anout 1km from it, wife doesn't let me to go there :x | 08:13 |
| rcg | mhmmmm... chocolate.. :) | 08:14 |
| E-P | iekku: I understand that very well... | 08:14 |
| Paimen | mmm liquorice | 08:14 |
| Paimen | my grandparents lives near Panda aswell | 08:15 |
| E-P | I bought only one pack of candy | 08:15 |
| iekku | 5 kg? | 08:15 |
| E-P | nah, only half kilo of liquorice | 08:16 |
| Paimen | :9 | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | <3 | 08:17 |
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| Paimen | so way to bribe Stskeeps is send him liquorice | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | damn straight, though my supplies are high atm | 08:19 |
| Paimen | :) | 08:20 |
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| E-P | heh | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/minicom.n900.6.cap | 08:23 |
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| E-P | is it possible to define kernel parameters in the .ks file? trying to make the vm image with static IP address | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | should be, in the bootloader 'append' thing | 08:45 |
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| E-P | I try that, thanks | 08:48 |
| E-P | made some preliminary coverage table https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Quality/Test_coverage | 08:48 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: can you try to comment out the /boot line from the fstab and see how it goes without that? | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 08:54 |
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| dcthang | mce module is not fixed right? :-) | 09:01 |
| E-P | yunta: would like to present the OTS replacement in tomorrow's qa meeting? | 09:04 |
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| sledges | vgrade2, I'm aiming to go to to CELF's ELCE in Barcelona; now that I saw automotive summit is in Warwickshire, I'll try talking to my boss about it as well :) | 09:09 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: tested the fstab thing yet? | 09:25 |
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| totte | If I want to test Mer/Nemo, is a Nokia N9 handset the best choice? I haven't been able to find the N9xx models for sale. | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | totte, n9 is good but i | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | needs a warranty break message which is permanent | 09:31 |
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| mikhas | totte, no used n900 on ebay or such? | 09:34 |
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| mikhas | that's much cheaper than n9 | 09:34 |
| totte | Well, that's a shame. Are there any other options available though? I need a new phone and would like it if I was able to tinker with C++ and Qt on it. | 09:34 |
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| totte | mikhas: Well, I guess... I'm not a fan of buying used handsets though. You know, for, uh, sanitary reasons. :) | 09:36 |
| mikhas | symbian phones do run Qt, no? *snicker* | 09:37 |
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| sledges | still could find N9 (bidding is at £200 now, or buy it now: £~263 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNLOCKED-NEW-OEM-Nokia-N9-OEM-16GB-Black-Smartphone-Devices-Now-/280918634440?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item41680e2fc8#ht_8751wt_1076 ) | 09:49 |
| sledges | totte, ^ | 09:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/minicom.n900.7.cap | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | whatthefuc | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | l | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:20 |
| yunta | E-P: sure, but keep in mind it's far from completion | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: we have a mirror of testdata.meego.com | 10:21 |
| E-P | yunta: it would be mainly for getting an overview what you are planning to do | 10:23 |
| yunta | ok | 10:24 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: is it somewhere where people can access? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | http://testdata.meego.com/ is still up, too | 10:24 |
| E-P | heh, good :) | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | insane amounts of test data there, fwiw | 10:26 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ? | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: look at dump | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | it gets to console login | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | why doesn't /boot work? :o | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: where did we put the testdata mirror again, which phost? | 10:28 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: oh, so now you can connect to the device? | 10:33 |
| Sage | via serial | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | i can probably log in | 10:34 |
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| lbt_away | Stskeeps: popping out - will look later | 10:46 |
| lbt_away | if that's on meego infra I can setup rsync | 10:47 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: let me know if login works | 10:47 |
| Sage | that is definite improvement if the login works. Also check if usb networking works :) | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | lbt_away: ok | 10:48 |
| Sleepy_Coder | http://xibornol.audiogoshop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=6333&offer_id=B005HA4W7K hmm, wonder if its legit. | 10:48 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: i don't have a usb cable... | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | or port | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: OK, something is for sure wrong | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i can log in, but no modules loaded | 10:52 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: modprobe omaplfb returns '1' | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | in $? | 10:57 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: eh... I'll try myself :) | 10:59 |
| Sage | soon | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | looks like modprobe is totally screwed | 11:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: depmod -a does the right thing | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | and now i can modprobe | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | what the heck is going on :) | 11:06 |
| Sage | ... | 11:13 |
| Sage | hmmp | 11:14 |
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| kyyberi | this might be a stupid question, but how could I identify low hanging fruits from bug database? Ofc that's relative, what is low hanging fruit for some might be a 'blocker' for other. | 11:32 |
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| kyyberi | reason for question is to get list of easy tasks for new contributors | 11:33 |
| kyyberi | and avoid taking some ground shaking bug first | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | we've considered a keyword for this | 11:41 |
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| kyyberi | Stskeeps: sounds like a good idea | 11:42 |
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| totte | sledges: Sorry, was AFK, thanks for the link - will check it out. :) | 12:04 |
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| E-P | I am running nemo vm image in kvm + vnc, after the boot I just get black screen | 12:10 |
| E-P | I have tried in the qemu console sendkey ctrl-alt-f1 but nothing happens | 12:10 |
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| chouchoune | hello | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | hey o/ | 12:12 |
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| chouchoune | hey Stskeeps , how are you ? | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good | 12:13 |
| chouchoune | any decision on my perl packages ticket ? ;) | 12:13 |
| chouchoune | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343 | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | give me package names and i'll handle them now | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | source package, that is | 12:15 |
| Sage | does it really need all of those new deps? | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: they split it up | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | like libxcb was | 12:15 |
| chouchoune | Sage: yes | 12:15 |
| Sage | ah, ok | 12:16 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: mmmhhh, isn't it what's written in the ticket ? | 12:16 |
| chouchoune | or what do you mean by "source package" | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | the names of the .spec files :) | 12:17 |
| chouchoune | ok, that's it then | 12:17 |
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| chouchoune | I've used the naming from other perl packages in Mer to wrote the comments | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:18 |
| * Stskeeps loks | 12:18 | |
| Stskeeps | perl-Digest-HMAC | perl-Encode-Locale | perl-File-Listing | perl-HTML-Parser | perl-HTTP-Cookies | perl-HTTP-Daemon | perl-HTTP-Date | perl-HTTP-Message | perl-HTTP-Negociate | perl-LWP-MediaTypes | perl-NTLM | perl-Net-HTTP | perl-URI | perl-WWW-RobotRules | perl-libwww-perl ? | 12:18 |
| chouchoune | Digest-HMAC and NTLM not needed | 12:20 |
| chouchoune | I've built them on COBS but they're not needed | 12:20 |
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| Stskeeps | perl-HTTP-Negociate | 12:21 |
| chouchoune | perl-Encode-Locale perl-File-Listing perl-HTTP-Cookies perl-HTTP-Daemon | 12:21 |
| chouchoune | perl-HTTP-Date perl-HTTP-Message perl-HTTP-Negotiate perl-LWP-MediaTypes | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | it's really called that? | 12:21 |
| chouchoune | perl-Net-HTTP | 12:21 |
| chouchoune | perl-WWW-RobotRules | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | ok, adding | 12:21 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: HTTP-Negociate yes | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | Negotiate you mean | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | OK, added them to git | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | have fun | 12:23 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: I don't have a Negociate, I have a HTTP::Negociate | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | mmkay | 12:24 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: depmod, modprobe, lsmod and rmmod works on x86 fine btw | 12:24 |
| chouchoune | mmmhhh, that's what you said, actually ;) | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: wtf | 12:24 |
| chouchoune | sorry | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: different way of generating depmod? | 12:24 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/GAAS/HTTP-Negotiate-6.01/Changes | 12:25 |
| chouchoune | "The HTTP::Negotiate module used to be bundled with the libwww-perl distribution." | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | anyway | 12:25 |
| chouchoune | that was also inside libwww-perl | 12:25 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: rpm -qf `which depmod` | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | git repos are up now | 12:25 |
| Sage | is it from kmod? | 12:25 |
| chouchoune | thanks | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: moment | 12:25 |
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| E-P | hmm.. I have tried to use 'skipx' and removed the xconfig option in the ks file, but still getting black screen | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: show me .ks | 12:32 |
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| E-P | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4329855 | 12:34 |
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| rcg | how to comment passages in .yaml files? | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: try to check .xsession-errors ? | 12:35 |
| E-P | I cannot access to the vm at all | 12:35 |
| Paimen | E-P: how about with ssh? | 12:36 |
| rcg | alright, # should do | 12:36 |
| Paimen | for example add bridged network adapter | 12:36 |
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| E-P | Paimen: I wanted to test the ssh connection, but i cannot setup the ip or the interface at the moment | 12:39 |
| Paimen | well I just bridged it to use wlan and it got ip from DHCP | 12:40 |
| E-P | ok, have to try that next | 12:41 |
| Paimen | because I couldn't enter console either it shows nemo ux fine, but couldn't show console nor xterm | 12:41 |
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| E-P | I am running the kvm in a server (virtual) and it doesn't support kvm extensions, might also cause some problems | 12:43 |
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| tanuk2 | Stskeeps: FYI, I got pulseaudio 2.1 packaged and running on N900. | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk2: congratulations :) | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk2: when do i buy you beer? :) | 12:51 |
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| E-P | ah, got the SSH to work. Just using kvm's -net user,hostfwd=tcp::5555-:22 parameter | 12:52 |
| tanuk2 | Stskeeps: Heh, I don't know :) Are you coming to the Devaamo/Jolla event that is held in Tampere in a month or so? | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk2: doubt it, but maybe earlier | 12:53 |
| jonwil | tanuk2: which PA version are we using now? Is 2.1 the latest PA version? And do the Nokia binary blobs still work with this new PA version? | 12:53 |
| tanuk2 | Stskeeps: Only the IHF is working, though. | 12:53 |
| tanuk2 | jonwil: No, they're not compatible. | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk2: yeah, figures | 12:54 |
| tanuk2 | jonwil: And yes, 2.1 is the newest version. | 12:54 |
| jonwil | ok | 12:54 |
| jonwil | so whats the point of doing this then if the nokia blobs are incompatible | 12:54 |
| jonwil | is the point to replace the nokia blobs with something open? To simply ignore the nokia blobs? | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: point is to see what challenges practically are | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | other devices may need a higher PA, too | 12:55 |
| tanuk2 | jonwil: I'd like to work towards a completely open solution. | 12:55 |
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| jonwil | I think the biggest problem with an open solution is that no-one outside of Nokia knows just what those blobs actually DO :P | 12:58 |
| tanuk2 | jonwil: The closed bits are mostly signal processing algorithms. Echo cancellation and stuff. There are open source implementations. | 13:00 |
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| jonwil | there is also speaker protection AFAIK | 13:00 |
| tanuk2 | I don't know how good the open source algorithms are, though, but they should be better than nothing. | 13:01 |
| jonwil | the real trick is knowing which algorithms are there so we know which implementations we need to plug in | 13:01 |
| jonwil | or is there enough information in the open bits of PA to figure that out? | 13:01 |
| tanuk2 | Yes. | 13:01 |
| tanuk2 | jonwil: The speaker protection stuff is harder, because at least I don't know what the algorithm exactly does. | 13:02 |
| tanuk2 | My plan is to ignore the speaker protection for now. | 13:02 |
| jonwil | ok, if there is enough information in the open bits to know what the closed bits are doing (at least in broad terms) that's great | 13:03 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4329990 , xsession-errors from the vm | 13:04 |
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| Stskeeps | E-P: hmmm | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ? | 13:04 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: ? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: if you saw that kind of problem before | 13:04 |
| E-P | phaeron: what kvm parameters are you using? | 13:05 |
| phaeron | wrong opengl installed ? you need the llvm one | 13:05 |
| phaeron | E-P: nothing special | 13:05 |
| Sage | tanuk2: \o/ | 13:05 |
| jonwil | its great to see pulseaudio being replaced :) | 13:06 |
| E-P | phaeron: can you show your ks file? | 13:06 |
| jonwil | someone is working on replacing n900-BME too | 13:06 |
| jonwil | with kernel drivers | 13:06 |
| Sage | tanuk2: you should update speexdsp as well btw | 13:06 |
| tanuk2 | Sage: Ok. | 13:06 |
| phaeron | E-P: nemo i586 ks can work too | 13:06 |
| phaeron | let me see if there's a difference | 13:07 |
| Sage | tanuk2: to 1.2rc1 as it seems to be on required list on pulseaudio website | 13:07 |
| Sage | tanuk2: also the BuildRequires: lines should have >= version for the packages that there is known requirement. | 13:07 |
| phaeron | E-P: sage said sometimes installing two gl providers overwrite each other | 13:08 |
| jonwil | if bme and pulse are replaced and I get off my ass and do some wl1251-cal-bin and sysinfod-rx51 replacement, we should be even closer to a totally open system on the N900 :) | 13:08 |
| E-P | phaeron: do you use nemo i586 vm ks ? | 13:09 |
| phaeron | mostly yes , I am looking for any changes | 13:09 |
| phaeron | most important are : xorg-x11-drv-synaptics xorg-x11-drv-vesa xorg-x11-server-Xorg-setuid mesa-llvmpipe-libGLESv2 kernel-adaptation-pc xorg-x11-drv-mtev | 13:10 |
| E-P | ok | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | oh yes | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | setuid for sure | 13:11 |
| jonwil | is https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900 still the latest place to find all the n900 mer/meego closed bins? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | and N9xx-common | 13:12 |
| jonwil | ok | 13:12 |
| jonwil | great | 13:12 |
| jonwil | trying to see just how far from "totally open" we really are :) | 13:12 |
| jonwil | of course we can never be "totally open" unless a miracle occurs and someone writes open-source SGX drivers :P | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | or somebody ports llvmpipe | 13:14 |
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| jonwil | oh and GPS is a problem too :( | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: [root@localhost ~]# rpm -qf /usr/sbin/depmod | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | kmod-9-1.1.armv7hl | 13:22 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: ok, so I wonder what is wrong there as it seems to work on x86 | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | bad kernel packaging? | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | it works after depmod -a, though | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, works-ish | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | soemthing still blows up, somewhere | 13:25 |
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| jonwil | Anyone happen to know what pulseaudio-modules-nokia-parameters and pulseaudio-module-noika-audiots is for? | 13:40 |
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| sledges | good luck totte :) | 14:01 |
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| Stskeeps | hello jukkar :) | 14:29 |
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| tanuk | jonwil: pulseaudio-modules-nokia-parameters is a module for managing algorithm parameter sets for different audio use cases. | 14:50 |
| tanuk | jonwil: audiots is for interfacing with the algorithm tuning tool | 14:50 |
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| jonwil | ok, makes sense | 14:57 |
| jonwil | if you know what you need to do to replace the bits of those 2 that actually matter, that's good :) | 14:58 |
| jonwil | now if I could just find the apparently-required-by-LGPL sources for https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=gst-nokia-camera&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN9xx-common I would be happy :P | 14:59 |
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| jonwil | some parts appear to be LGPL at least... | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | lgpl doesn't require dependent parts to be open, afaik? | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:00 |
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| jonwil | no but evidence is that parts of libgstmcsrc.so, libgstsubdevcam.so, ligbstv4l2newcam.so and libgstcamera-0.10 may be LGPL. libomap3camd doesn't seem to be lgpl though | 15:02 |
| jonwil | I am not a GPL guru so I dont know for sure, I am just going on what it looks like | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | i -think- those are open source, just a custom build | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | it should very well be there, though | 15:04 |
| jonwil | yes there should be buildable source code visible alongside the binaries | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: do me a favour and mail me about that, i'll see what i can dig up | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: i was responsible for maintaining the hw adaptation so it seems strange to me i would have let anything license problematic through | 15:07 |
| jonwil | my guess is the source is in a repo somewhere | 15:08 |
| jonwil | but which isnt linked to that page | 15:08 |
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| Stskeeps | either way, this might be entirely academic, too.. :P | 15:09 |
| jonwil | whats your email address? | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | carsten@merproject.org | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | the chances are that nokia might own entire copyright of that | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm fairly sure that they are actually just 'custom builds'.. | 15:09 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: I need to check out spectacle component of "mint" what's the address for branching ? | 15:10 |
| jonwil | there are strings in those blobs that imply they are LGPL though | 15:10 |
| situ | I tried osc branch Mer.MDS:mint:i486 spectacle | 15:10 |
| jonwil | my guess is they are LGPL and the source is out there somewhere but just not on that page | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | situ: i think Mer:Tools or Mer:Tools:Testing | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: i concur | 15:11 |
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| jonwil | email sent. | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 15:12 |
| jonwil | aha, I have an idea. Lets look in the binaries and see if they contain filenames of any source files and if so, plug those files into Google. | 15:12 |
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| jonwil | BINGO. | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | found it? | 15:16 |
| jonwil | yes, going to send an email | 15:16 |
| situ | Stskeeps: is there any list of these addresses ? | 15:17 |
| jonwil | ok, let me see if this tree compiles or not. | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | situ: MINT usually means that's it's either Project:MINT or Mer:Tools* | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | situ: please add that to Contribution page somewhere | 15:17 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: How should I delete a branch from server ? | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | situ: just remove the project | 15:25 |
| lbt | situ: you working on Tools stuff? | 15:25 |
| lbt | I can help you with that | 15:25 |
| situ | Trying to fix a small bug. | 15:25 |
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| lbt | np - spectacle is in git so the process here is different to Mer:Core | 15:26 |
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| lbt | first we need to track down what git repo we're using .... it will move to mer's git 'RSN' | 15:26 |
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| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Spectacle | 15:27 |
| situ | lbt: 2 minutes please. | 15:27 |
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| situ | lbt: back | 15:31 |
| situ | I have a branch on server for Spectacle, but when I try to check out it's empty. | 15:33 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: I am getting this error "branch target package already exists: home:siteshwar:branches:Mer.MDS:Tools:i486/spectacle" | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | situ: ok, try to remove spectacle package in that project and see what happens | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | you shouldn't need to branch from Mer.MDS:Tools anyway | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | just Mer:Tools | 15:38 |
| lbt | interesting ... does Mer.MDS:Tools even exist? | 15:38 |
| situ | It does exist. | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | it shouldn't :) | 15:39 |
| w00t | bugtime! | 15:40 |
| situ | Is this command fine "osc branch Mer:Tools:i486 spectacle" ? | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | you shouldn't need :i486 | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | just Mer:Tools, or Mer:Tools:Testing :) | 15:40 |
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| lbt | Testing please | 15:41 |
| situ | Thanks! | 15:41 |
| lbt | *sigh* I need to fix the Tools process | 15:41 |
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| jonwil | stskeeps: you got mail | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: -dev can't be published | 15:58 |
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| jonwil | ok in that case you guys need to separate out the bits that need libomap3cam-dev (which I am guessing contains TI code and that's why it cant be published) and the bits that dont | 16:06 |
| jonwil | and make sure the bits that contain code Nokia didn't write end up in the bits that dont | 16:06 |
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| Stskeeps | well, theoretically i'm no longer responsible, but i'm fairly sure the code that uses libomap3cam is oss, just -dev header isn't | 16:07 |
| jonwil | if its oss but 100% nokia, its all good, if its oss but contains code Nokia didn't write then nokia needs to fix that as LGPL requires (AFAIK) that code must be compilable | 16:08 |
| jonwil | but my guess is that the bit in question is 100% nokia | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | either way, i have to go out now, i'll look into what's up with this | 16:09 |
| jonwil | ok, thanks | 16:09 |
| noch | Since you are talking about cameras, today I have noticed that Fcam is the default camera API in Harmattan. | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | really? | 16:11 |
| noch | minute, I'll give you a link | 16:11 |
| noch | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/fcam/main.html | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | well | 16:12 |
| Venemo_N9 | jonwil, what's going on? | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | it's 'a part', rather | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | but if it's OSS and doesn't use libomap3camd.. | 16:13 |
| noch | also I've read about it at Camera 2.0 page | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | check for source availability? | 16:14 |
| noch | FCam is now also available on the Nokia N9 as part of the Meego/Harmattan 1.2 operating system update | 16:14 |
| noch | http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/camera-2.0/ | 16:14 |
| noch | I would like to see Frankencamera in nemomobile (: | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | we considered the same thing fwiw | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | give it a shot? | 16:18 |
| noch | you mean, did I try to use the API? | 16:19 |
| noch | no, just read about it today. | 16:19 |
| noch | I guess one need to try to compile fcam drivers with nemo kernel first | 16:20 |
| noch | against the nemo kernel | 16:20 |
| noch | and only then try to compile fcamera | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | it should be possible | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | on n9 it should be == harmattan kernel | 16:22 |
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| noch | I have only n900 with nemo running. | 16:25 |
| jonwil | ok, fcam is in harmattan nokia-binaries sdk repo ... | 16:26 |
| jonwil | ... | 16:26 |
| noch | ok, if I try to compile the drivers under nemo I'll let you know | 16:26 |
| jonwil | which is perfectly ok being that its BSD licensed | 16:26 |
| noch | nice | 16:26 |
| jonwil | my guess is that on harmattan fcam either includes directly or talks to whatever harmattan library does the job of the omap3cam stuff | 16:27 |
| jonwil | whatever exactly that is... | 16:27 |
| jonwil | I am guessing its to do with all the special stuff to make the camera work better, the stuff TI doesn't want its competitors to be able to use :) | 16:28 |
| jonwil | not that I care so much about camera, my interest is in replacing the bluetooth and WiFi CAL daemons :P | 16:29 |
| jonwil | as replacing those lets you throw away some non-standard kernel interfaces and do things the Right Way(tm) | 16:30 |
| noch | ah | 16:30 |
| noch | ok, I care about the camera (: | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | fcam drivers are usually oss | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | see if you can find it | 16:31 |
| jonwil | the kernel drivers will be oss | 16:31 |
| jonwil | but the fcam userland bits are in harmattan nokia-binaries repo | 16:31 |
| jonwil | which implies they aren't oss | 16:31 |
| noch | hm | 16:31 |
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| dm8tbr | if the camera is using the other IP cores like e.g. the C6xx DSP then it's going to be lot's of sekrit sauce | 16:32 |
| noch | what about this: http://fcam.garage.maemo.org/download.html ? | 16:32 |
| jonwil | thats for the N900 | 16:33 |
| noch | do you think they will compile with the nemo kernel? | 16:34 |
| noch | I use n900 | 16:34 |
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| jonwil | regarding the OMAP DSP, it looks like TI have published the ARM side code for talking to it as LGPL | 16:50 |
| jonwil | with the DSP-side code being closed from what I can tell | 16:51 |
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| dm8tbr | jonwil: the arm code is in the kernel and there are at least 3 or 4 different implementations | 17:01 |
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| jonwil | I refer to libomxil-ti0 and Libomxil-ti-components which are arm-side | 17:02 |
| jonwil | and seem to be open in some places | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | that's openmax isn't it | 17:04 |
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| jonwil | yes | 17:06 |
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| jonwil | libbridge2 is also open aparently | 17:10 |
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| situ | lbt: Could you help me setup git repository for spectacle ? | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | for spectacle you have to use obs commands, not mer git | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | oscsubmitreq | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | osc submitreq | 17:23 |
| situ | Any links ? | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | just add --help to that | 17:24 |
| situ | so intead of git push I will use osc submitreq to submit changes to gerrit ? | 17:24 |
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| lbt | situ: back now | 17:31 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Spectacle | 17:31 |
| lbt | shows the upstream git repo | 17:32 |
| vgrade2 | sledges, let me know if you decide to go | 17:32 |
| lbt | vgrade2: hey | 17:32 |
| lbt | sorry I missed the meeting - not in my diary | 17:32 |
| lbt | nb - very happy to meet up wrt IVI at any point | 17:32 |
| situ | Stskeeps told me that I have to use osc submitreq. | 17:33 |
| lbt | well, that's true | 17:33 |
| lbt | but since this is a git-controlled source tree then it's better to put it in the real git | 17:33 |
| situ | I just have a small patch I can do it through osc. | 17:35 |
| lbt | OK | 17:35 |
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| vgrade2 | lbt, hi | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | hello Oipo :) | 17:52 |
| situ | where can I find errors for package builds in build webui ? | 17:53 |
| Oipo | Hey hey. | 17:53 |
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| lbt | hey Oipo | 17:53 |
| vgrade2 | lbt, there may be some interest from mer people in a meetup at the linux automotive summit in Sept | 17:53 |
| lbt | situ: click on 'failed' | 17:53 |
| lbt | vgrade2: yes | 17:53 |
| situ | It doesn't show any specifiec error. | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: welcome to #mer, if you have any questions at any time, feel free to ask, else feel free to hang out | 17:53 |
| lbt | situ: it should show a build log | 17:53 |
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| Oipo | Thanks. I'll be sure to ask if anything arises. For now, I guess I'll just lurk :) | 17:54 |
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| iekku | welcome Oipo | 17:54 |
| Oipo | Oh, hello. | 17:54 |
| lbt | situ: link to the failing project in webui ? | 17:55 |
| Oipo | I see a lot of people i had contact with hang out here, haha. | 17:55 |
| situ | It shows now. | 17:55 |
| lbt | situ: good :) | 17:55 |
| iekku | :) | 17:55 |
| lbt | Oipo: so what's your background? | 17:55 |
| Oipo | Hmm. In general? I started studying Computer Science but after a year I decided that I prefer more low-level software. So I switched to Electrical Engineering. Did a few projects internationally and have a few open source projects I helped setup. | 17:56 |
| vgrade2 | lbt, https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/automotive-linux-summit/ if you're interesed | 17:56 |
| situ | lbt: I have some strange errors https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=spectacle&project=home%3Asiteshwar%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools&repository=Mer_Core_armv7hl | 17:57 |
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| Oipo | Apparently installing VirtualBox resets your network? Odd. | 17:57 |
| wmarone | temporarily | 17:58 |
| lbt | vgrade2: hmmm ... Jim's giving a keynote... | 17:58 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, ouch | 17:58 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ah, ask w00t about the coffee cups.... | 17:58 |
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| w00t | lbt: he was a bit confused when I showed him a photo of one :-P | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, i've seen jim's travel around norway | 17:59 |
| lbt | w00t: you didn't!! | 17:59 |
| w00t | hehehe | 17:59 |
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| lbt | situ: "error: File /home/abuild/rpmbuild/SOURCES/spectacle-0.25.tar.gz: No such file or directory" ... and see https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=spectacle&project=home%3Asiteshwar%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools | 18:00 |
| vgrade2 | lbt, and Matt Jones | 18:00 |
| lbt | vgrade2: I'll wear my T-shirt | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | i prefer matt, he presents well | 18:00 |
| vgrade2 | Sage, Stskeeps, are modules in /lib/modules or /usr/lib/modules | 18:01 |
| lbt | he does indeed | 18:01 |
| Oipo | Has this channel been this densly populated for a while now? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade2: /lib | 18:01 |
| lbt | Oipo: yes | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: we averaged 180 before jolla news, now 230 | 18:02 |
| Sage | ... | 18:02 |
| lbt | situ: also clean up old tarballs | 18:02 |
| vgrade2 | Sage, Stskeeps, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=11391&p=126371 | 18:02 |
| situ | this file was automatically created. | 18:02 |
| Oipo | Ah, interesting. | 18:02 |
| lbt | and you should probably be adding a patch since this isn't an upstream tag | 18:02 |
| situ | Yeah. | 18:02 |
| Sage | vgrade2: wtf :D | 18:02 |
| lbt | vgrade2: so ... how do I get invited on the cheap? | 18:03 |
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| vgrade2 | do you know anyone who works for one of the sponsors | 18:05 |
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| * lbt looks pointedly at vgrade2 | 18:06 | |
| Oipo | Is Mer multi-arch? Like, is it better to use a 32 bit environment? Does Mer fully support 64 bit? | 18:06 |
| lbt | might do | 18:06 |
| Sage | vgrade2: that should't be like that in our system we have still /lib dir valid. | 18:06 |
| lbt | Oipo: no 64 bit | 18:06 |
| Sage | vgrade2: but have to test :) | 18:06 |
| vgrade2 | Sage, ok, np | 18:06 |
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| Oipo | Noted. | 18:06 |
| lbt | Oipo: with our targets we don't really need it | 18:06 |
| Sage | vgrade2: thx for pointing it out | 18:06 |
| Oipo | Hmm. Though I assume that with the 64bit arm processors coming out sometime soon, that somewhere in the future support for such architectures is desired? | 18:07 |
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| vgrade2 | lbt, I'll see what the situation is re getting invites from JLR | 18:07 |
| lbt | vgrade2: ty ... I thought for a moment I wasn't being subtle enough :D | 18:07 |
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| lbt | Oipo: yep - that'll probably be what drives it | 18:08 |
| lbt | hmm | 18:08 |
| lbt | I wonder where qemu is on aarch64 | 18:08 |
| vgrade2 | Sage, I've been following with interest the upgrade. The vivaldi has issues which may be old kernel/systemd interactions | 18:09 |
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| vgrade2 | lbt, any aarch64 hw out yet | 18:10 |
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| lbt | I wouldn't know | 18:10 |
| Oipo | Last I knew, not yet. | 18:10 |
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| vgrade2 | only within arm I guess, http://lwn.net/Articles/505682/ | 18:12 |
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| Oipo | vgrade2, http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/arm-discloses-technical-details-of-the-next-version-of-the-arm-architecture.php | 18:13 |
| Oipo | The announced it end of last year. It'll take a while probably before any arm's end up being released. | 18:13 |
| lbt | Also ... http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-arm@lists.debian.org/msg13742.html | 18:14 |
| Sage | vgrade2: well, we are having some regresion on our N900 and N950 devices after we went to new systemd. Never really occured to me that it can be such problem | 18:14 |
| lbt | debconf summary for aarch64 | 18:14 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: that would also related to the errors you said you got | 18:14 |
| Oipo | Late 2013 sounds reasonable. | 18:14 |
| lbt | "There's no support in qemu yet" | 18:15 |
| vgrade2 | Sage, but killer is it works on x86 | 18:15 |
| Sage | vgrade2: well x86 work yes, but it might be related to kernel modules x86 has more stuff buildin | 18:16 |
| vgrade2 | Sage, unless modules are not used | 18:16 |
| vgrade2 | :) | 18:16 |
| vgrade2 | things changed in the last kmod upgrade | 18:17 |
| * Sage just upgraded kmod :P | 18:17 | |
| Sage | to version 9 | 18:17 |
| * Sage will debug this more when he gets back to home | 18:19 | |
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| situ_ | Where does the request go when I issue "osc submitreq" ? | 18:29 |
| lbt | to the maintainers of the place you branched from | 18:29 |
| situ_ | How can I see my request ? | 18:30 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5304 | 18:30 |
| lbt | and you branched from Tools, not Testing :/ | 18:30 |
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| situ_ | So ? | 18:31 |
| lbt | [25/07/2012 16:41] <lbt> Testing please | 18:32 |
| situ_ | Should I resend the request ? | 18:32 |
| lbt | Sage: have you tagged 0.25 of spectacle? | 18:33 |
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| situ_ | lbt: Should I recreate my request from Testing branch ? | 18:39 |
| lbt | situ_: I think I'd rather see it as a commit in upstream git and then pull a tagged version from there | 18:40 |
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| lbt | since it's a 'native' package | 18:40 |
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| situ_ | Allright, should I move to next bug ? | 18:41 |
| lbt | Then when it's there, get sage to tag it and resubmit to Testing | 18:41 |
| lbt | no, this would be useful | 18:41 |
| lbt | I'm going to be working on SDK release pretty soon | 18:41 |
| lbt | food now ... bbiab | 18:42 |
| lbt | situ - otherwise that looks good - note there's a mer bug that you should reference in your git commit | 18:43 |
| situ_ | I will do that in future commits. | 18:43 |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423 | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18980403 | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | hello __kozak__|work :) | 18:44 |
| situ_ | lbt: BTW I still didn't understand if I have to anything else with that fix. | 18:44 |
| __kozak__|work | Stskeeps: hey! looong time! dont know if you remember me!!!! | 18:44 |
| vgrade2 | Stskeeps, can't believe that one. No head count on plane even. | 18:45 |
| lbt | situ_: yes, please do it through git | 18:45 |
| Sage | lbt: I though I already tagged 0.25 and submitted it to somewhere | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | situ_: git of spectacle itself, not entirely sure where that is though | 18:45 |
| Sage | lbt: also I recall you accepting it a long time aog | 18:45 |
| lbt | Sage: possibly Testing ... | 18:45 |
| situ_ | :-S | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | __kozak__|work: maaybe ;) feel free to refresh my memory | 18:45 |
| situ_ | Well that was really confusing. | 18:46 |
| situ_ | It's tagged here : https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/spectacle | 18:46 |
| __kozak__|work | Stskeeps: well... was testing mer during beagle days | 18:46 |
| Sage | situ_: yes | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | __kozak__|work: ah right :) | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | __kozak__|work: well, mer is back and cooler now ;) | 18:46 |
| lbt | Sage: it's not in Tools:Testing | 18:46 |
| lbt | it may be in MINT... | 18:47 |
| situ_ | Ok, I will clone it and patch again. | 18:47 |
| Sage | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=spectacle&project=Project%3AMINT%3ATesting | 18:47 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=spectacle&project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | situ_: i think you just identified a weird issue in our setup, congratulations :) | 18:47 |
| Sage | lbt: you told me that MINT:Testing is ok :D | 18:47 |
| lbt | Tools is for SDK, MINT is for suse/boss | 18:47 |
| lbt | nah, phaeron told you that | 18:47 |
| situ_ | Wow :-S | 18:48 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, maybe we need a bug for that? | 18:48 |
| Sage | lbt: you said that you will copypac it from there | 18:48 |
| lbt | yeah, but that's wrong too | 18:48 |
| __kozak__|work | Stskeeps: yes I know ... but I am kind of moving backwards.... got an N810 last week..... and was thinking of having mer on it | 18:48 |
| lbt | packaging for Mer != Suse | 18:48 |
| Sage | lbt: osc copypac from project:Project:MINT:Testing package:spectacle revision:6 | 18:48 |
| Sage | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/revisions?package=spectacle&project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting | 18:48 |
| Sage | :) | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | __kozak__|work: yeah.. we don't have very good upstream kernel on there, but we do have a armv6 port of 'new' mer | 18:48 |
| __kozak__|work | Stskeeps: ah I see.... I can help you with omap2 stuff ..... but not sure if N810 is up for Mer | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | __kozak__|work: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 | 18:50 |
| __kozak__|work | Stskeeps: will be back after lunch | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | enjoy | 18:50 |
| lbt | Sage: fwiw I had fixing this crap as part of the next SDK release - but that's been delayed due to BOSS and quickbuild | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | situ_: don't worry, the issues newcomers run into is stuff we ourselves went blind for, it's a common thing and good to identify these kind of things :) | 18:50 |
| situ_ | Well.. I think I would rather wait and see this issue getting fixed before sending my patch again. | 18:50 |
| lbt | situ_: if it gets into git it'll be used | 18:51 |
| situ_ | I will try to send the fix tomorrow. | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so what's the issue, we should send it to spectacle git? | 18:51 |
| Sage | lbt: that is ok. Just wanted to point out that it went like this before and I asked you that would it be ok this time as well AFAIK :) | 18:51 |
| lbt | to be honest when you said you wanted to submitreq and I said OK I shoulda said "no" :) | 18:51 |
| Sage | :P | 18:51 |
| lbt | Sage: yep - the problem is that it's not the right solution ... just hacks each time | 18:51 |
| * Sage get out of the train. | 18:52 | |
| Sage | *gets | 18:52 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes we should be sending to git | 18:52 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: in a week or so I should have tooling to support packaging in git trivially too | 18:52 |
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| lbt | until that's in place we've been working around the issues | 18:53 |
| lbt | and it hasn't helped to have MINT and Tools have the same package and no coordination | 18:53 |
| lbt | cf build in Tools and Core | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | situ_: i think you can go on to next bug if you'd like, just note the blocker you ran into | 18:54 |
| situ_ | I will, thanks! | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | in practice, it should be tried to upstream within the upstream project if possible, if they can release releases immediately, include their release, else add a patch against the current version in packaging | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | that way it's easier to maintain a package over time | 18:56 |
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| * situ_ will try to find next bug in Mer core only | 18:58 | |
| Sage | lbt: lets build and use MINT in Mer SDK ;) | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | it does make things easier | 19:02 |
| rcg | ping http://review.merproject.org/#change,636 | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes, my bad | 19:03 |
| * Stskeeps goes find the code to kick the build | 19:04 | |
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| Oipo | Hmm. The bugs listed in the mail on the mer project don't really contain any device driver like bugs. Am I correct in that the only bugs listed are ones related to the core libraries of MeeGo such as X11 and Qt? | 19:28 |
| rcg | ah, Stskeeps was that you who triggered "Mer Automation Single Build Checker"? | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: yes | 19:29 |
| rcg | Stskeeps: great, thanks :) | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: Mer is special in some ways, it doesn't contain hardware adaptations as their release schedules are typically much different than that of the core | 19:30 |
| rcg | i assume it helps on getting the change into mer? xD | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: so they're 'outside' the project, for example, Nemo project contains X86/Nokia N900/N9/N950 adaptations | 19:30 |
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| Oipo | Stskeeps, Ah, right. So in Nemo I might find some bugs listed that are about more hardware related issues? | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: yes | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: aye | 19:32 |
| Oipo | Thanks. | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | generally the stuff you deal with, software wise, is same tools in Mer and Nemo, and Mer-using products | 19:33 |
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| rcg | Stskeeps: so what's the next step to get the change into mer? | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: wait for this to finish, i merge, pick it up into a release | 19:36 |
| Oipo | Hmm? You mean that one would generally use the same tools as in Mer as one does in Nemo? Or do you mean that both have a shared set of tools developed separately? | 19:36 |
| rcg | Stskeeps: i see, thanks :) | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: generally similar tools | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | there is a bit of difference how you submit changes from Mer vs Nemo, but that's about it | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | Nemo is a handset user interface, basically | 19:38 |
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| Oipo | Hmm. I do find it a bit odd that the UI and the firmware/device drivers are listed in the same project :P But oh well. | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | Oipo: you're not the first one, but that's simply historical :) | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | they're seperate OBS projects | 19:43 |
| Oipo | OBS -> ? | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | OBS is a kinda build farm software | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | try navigating around on https://build.pub.meego.com | 19:44 |
| KaIRC | Stskeeps: looks like romaxa is really working on getting Firefox OS to run on a more normal Linux base like Harmattan or Mer - at least from what he's saying in Mozilla's #b2g channel | 19:44 |
| KaIRC | just FYI | 19:44 |
| Oipo | Alright. | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | KaIRC: good, looking forward to seeing it one day on Jolla OS :) | 19:44 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:About too | 19:44 |
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| KaIRC | Stskeeps: well, he's of course targeting a veriant where not even Qt is present, as it's not needed for B2G | 19:45 |
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| Stskeeps | KaIRC: sure | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | qt can help abstract crazy stuff like wayland, but yes | 19:45 |
| KaIRC | Stskeeps: well, Gecko has its own abstraction stuff anyhow | 19:46 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: how hard would it be to have some kind of option in the .ks files to pull in all -devel packages for all the installed packages? | 19:52 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: that you could do with an env variable, or something | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: i think, not hard | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | but it gets complex | 19:52 |
| alterego | How so? | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | well, on occasion, some -devel headers clash | 19:53 |
| alterego | Hmm | 19:53 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: we also have to be careful about scratchboxisms | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | ie, assuming in packaging a certain package is there installed | 19:58 |
| alterego | hmm, yeah | 19:58 |
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| __kozak__|work | Stskeeps: ping | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | __kozak__|work: pong, about to head to sleep though | 20:08 |
| __kozak__|work | Stskeeps: aah okay.... have a good night then...... I just wanted to let you know that I am back .... on mer :) ... and can help you with omap2/3/4 and...... so on | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | alright :) i see you're with TI now, i can't recall if you were back then too | 20:09 |
| __kozak__|work | :D .... no was not ... still am not fully... :) | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, okay :) feel free to hang out, if there's any questions on mer, feel free to ask at any time :) | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 20:10 |
| __kozak__|work | okay... cool | 20:11 |
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| Oipo | Bed time. 'night. | 20:55 |
| CosmoHill | night night | 20:56 |
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| smoku | looks like there's something wrong with XOrg in Mer:Next - it dies with SIG 6 on i686 | 21:43 |
| lbt | smoku: can you log a bug | 21:45 |
| lbt | what device etv | 21:45 |
| lbt | c | 21:45 |
| lbt | I'll check up on ExoPC tomorrow | 21:45 |
| smoku | lbt: is logging it as vague as above fine? | 21:47 |
| smoku | i reverted now to latest Mer as I had unusable system | 21:48 |
| lbt | Needs device, and which HA you're using in the .ks .... log output would be nice | 21:48 |
| lbt | OK | 21:48 |
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| smoku | lbt: is MER#482 fine? | 21:54 |
| smoku | other funny thing - 'zypper up' on Mer:Next system today removed udev | 21:55 |
| smoku | i needed to regenerate rootfs from scratch ;-) | 21:55 |
| smoku | and hit the crashing XOrg issue | 21:55 |
| lbt | eek | 21:56 |
| lbt | so ... zypper up on Mer:Next from old Mer:stable? | 21:56 |
| lbt | or Mer:Next to newer Mer:Next | 21:57 |
| smoku | repo --name=mer-core --baseurl=http://releases.merproject.org/releases/next/builds/i586/packages/ | 21:57 |
| lbt | the latter is not something we really worry about | 21:57 |
| smoku | Mer:Next updated ~week ago to today's Mer:Next | 21:58 |
| lbt | yeah - that's not really something we can manage | 21:58 |
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| lbt | What should work is Mer:latest to Mer:next | 21:58 |
| lbt | (since Mer:next will become the new Mer:latest and should support updates) | 21:59 |
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| lbt | OTOH if we screw up a Mer:next and change it then all bets are off | 21:59 |
| smoku | +1 | 22:01 |
| smoku | the image based on current mer:next builds fine | 22:01 |
| lbt | good | 22:01 |
| lbt | nb there's a minimal mer too | 22:01 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started | 22:01 |
| lbt | may be good to use as a coarse bisection to identify Mer/HA issues | 22:02 |
| lbt | if it is then please let me know and we'll add that as an objective for it | 22:02 |
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| smoku | I would try it, but I don't have spare space on hdd anymore to try yet another image :/ | 22:03 |
| lbt | OK - keep it in mind | 22:04 |
| smoku | BTW, do we have a wiki page explaining how to bring up connman networking using simple-agent? | 22:04 |
| lbt | not simple-agent no | 22:04 |
| smoku | it's quite easy, though not obvious | 22:04 |
| lbt | I do it via config in .ks | 22:04 |
| smoku | yes. that's why I'm asking | 22:05 |
| smoku | I could writ it - where to put it? | 22:05 |
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| lbt | hmm | 22:05 |
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| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Minimal/Networking maybe ? | 22:07 |
| lbt | Minimal could be about 'fairly pure Mer' | 22:07 |
| lbt | Minimal/X Minimal/Wayland Minimal/Systemd .... yep, that'd be useful | 22:07 |
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| smoku | doh.... wiki does not accept my user/pass :/ | 22:09 |
| lbt | see banner at top of page? | 22:09 |
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| smoku | of course | 22:10 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 22:11 |
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| situ_ | Good night all! | 22:15 |
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| lbt | smoku: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Minimal | 22:29 |
| smoku | looks good | 22:31 |
| smoku | but "You do not have permission to edit this page" | 22:31 |
| lbt | you logged in? | 22:32 |
| smoku | no. wiki does not accept my user/pass. | 22:33 |
| lbt | do you have a mer bugzilla account ? | 22:33 |
| smoku | yes. | 22:33 |
| lbt | you mst | 22:33 |
| lbt | so that should have a username? | 22:33 |
| lbt | not email | 22:34 |
| lbt | use that and your mer bz pword | 22:34 |
| smoku | Your real name (optional, but encouraged)? | 22:35 |
| smoku | this one? | 22:35 |
| lbt | no | 22:35 |
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| smoku | so where do I find my bugzilla username? | 22:36 |
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| lbt | looking | 22:36 |
| lbt | what's your bz email ? | 22:37 |
| lbt | got it | 22:37 |
| lbt | grumble... need to write ldap search | 22:38 |
| totte | That's odd. Went looking for my username on bz but it isn't displayed anywhere. Only my e-mail is shown. | 22:39 |
| lbt | yeah - I should fix that somehow | 22:40 |
| lbt | totte: log a bug ? | 22:40 |
| totte | No big deal, I merely found it curious. | 22:40 |
| lbt | it'd be good to fix - probably not too hard either | 22:41 |
| totte | I'm new to bz though, got to make myself acquainted with it before I submit anything. :) | 22:41 |
| lbt | give this a go - it's a sensible bug | 22:42 |
| lbt | see if you can find where to file it | 22:42 |
| lbt | verify here first | 22:42 |
| lbt | smoku: ..... jakub | 22:44 |
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| smoku | lbt: nope | 22:44 |
| smoku | my name is nowhere near jakub ;-) | 22:44 |
| smoku | are you looking for tomek@xiaoka.com ? | 22:45 |
| lbt | yes :) | 22:45 |
| lbt | wrong one? | 22:45 |
| smoku | right one | 22:45 |
| smoku | but jakub??! | 22:45 |
| smoku | well... it accepted my password. but I don't want to appear as Jakub ;-) | 22:47 |
| totte | Submitted to Infra/Bugzilla. | 22:47 |
| lbt | totte: sounds right | 22:47 |
| lbt | smoku: I can change that - I'm not sure what's happened there though | 22:47 |
| smoku | please change it to Smoku | 22:49 |
| smoku | IIRC this is the username I had on Wiki | 22:49 |
| lbt | yes ... when you registered on bz is there any chance you used that name? | 22:50 |
| lbt | if not then I need to spend some time looking for either hacking or a bug in bz/ldap | 22:50 |
| lbt | note that this is nothing to do with wiki | 22:50 |
| smoku | lbt: zero chance | 22:50 |
| lbt | damn | 22:51 |
| lbt | *sigh* | 22:51 |
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| smoku | lbt: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Minimal/Networking | 23:03 |
| lbt | ah, yes, that... :) | 23:04 |
| lbt | good stuff though - ty | 23:04 |
| smoku | it took me _a while_ to figure it out, so it's worth sharing to save others time | 23:05 |
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| lbt | smoku: I like the attitude :D | 23:11 |
| lbt | right ... enough for one day ... | 23:12 |
| lbt | night all | 23:12 |
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