Tuesday, 2012-07-24

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Paimenmorning04:22
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iekkuhmm, only 3 more mornings04:29
iekkuand then vacation \o/04:29
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timophmorning05:12
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timophbtw, something came up and I don't so much time to work on tr-ui now05:13
Stskeepsalright05:14
Stskeepsfood on table > open source anyway, so i'm happy for contributions up to now :)05:14
timoph:)05:14
timophI'll still work on it but just have to use my own time05:15
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E-PMorning05:40
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Stskeepsmorn E-P :)05:41
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ericc诺基亚9月7日惊喜或为第三款MeeGo设备  ?right07:25
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Stskeepswhat?07:26
Stskeeps:P07:26
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ericcthen  say  0907   nokia will  a  new   phone  run   meego07:28
ericc2012090707:28
dm8tbrthat would be the most hilarious thing to possibly happen.07:29
dm8tbrhint: the answer is most likely: no07:29
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ericcit  looks  like  nightmare07:30
ericcnokia  always  like    lumia07:31
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* timoph doesn't care. they do their thing, we do ours07:31
iekkui think there's missunderstanding... if date has been 9th of july, it's about jolla to make new meego phone, not nokia07:32
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dm8tbroh, if that's YYYYDDMM and not ISO date, then indeed07:33
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iekkuit was 7th of july when jolla told the News07:33
dm8tbrthen the answer is Jolla will make MeeGo Phones.07:33
iekku:)07:33
PaimenI think they are referring to this ad campaign http://mynokiablog.com/2012/07/18/something-amazing-is-coming-7-9-2012-nokia-flagship-store-helsinki-getting-ready-for-nokia-world-goodies/07:34
timophah07:34
Paimenhmm why isn't terminal working on my nemo virtual box07:34
iekkuoh, ok07:34
timophosx?07:34
Paimenubuntu07:34
iekkusomething amazing? nokia is sold?07:34
iekku:P07:35
ericcnokia is  sold  。lol!!07:35
StskeepsPaimen: compositor/dri2 fail07:35
ericcmaybe   wp8!07:35
iekkuwouldn't be that suprised if there's someday news about that07:35
PaimenStskeeps: someway to get around it?07:35
StskeepsPaimen: i've considered to build compositor for GLX..07:36
Stskeeps:P07:36
Paimen:P07:36
timophthe weird thing is that it only seems to affect the terminal07:36
timophctrl+alt+F6 helps though :)07:37
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lbtmorning07:44
Sage_morning lbt07:49
StskeepsSage_: btw, kernel-adaptation-n900 fails to build for next07:49
Sage_ah, the same issue than with x86 kernel07:50
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Sage_for some reason those three files are not generated anymore07:50
Sage_no idea what they are used for07:51
Stskeepsok, could this be why n900 doesn't boot? no moduels loaded?07:51
Sage_well, anything is possible. I can patch it out and do one other check at the same time for N900 kernel07:52
Stskeepsok07:52
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Sage_same goes for n950 but lets take n900 first07:56
Sage_Stskeeps: did you get the console output with jig btw?07:56
Stskeepsto some extent, the kernel build failed and i was tired :P07:57
Venemo_N9good morning :)07:58
Venemo_N9what's up?07:58
Sage_Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/431293207:58
Sage_I've seen that before with the new setup07:59
Sage_at times when trying to reuse the buildroot07:59
Sage_is that sb2 issue or something odd with .spec?08:00
StskeepsSage_: hmmm08:01
Stskeepsthat does not look right08:02
lbtextended ACL or similar08:03
Sage_for doc? :)08:03
Sage_it is just %doc COPYING in .spec file08:03
lbtthat's what it was for me iirc - does it unpack anything from that cpio file?08:04
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lbtand is this a mer-built cpio?08:04
StskeepsSage_: grab sb2-tools-armv7hl-inject and see if there's anything in /usr/share/doc08:04
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slainemorning folks08:19
Stskeepsmorn slaine08:19
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tanuk2Is this warning message familiar to anyone:08:23
tanuk2Warning: File `/usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qconfig.h' has modification time 2.3e+03 s in the future08:23
Stskeepswhere do you see it?08:23
tanuk2http://qtl.merproject.org/9a3994fe-d55d-11e1-889c-00163e6e0038.txt08:24
Stskeepsyeah, there's a problem with one of our workers08:24
Stskeepsit seems to be time-travelling08:24
tanuk2I got a random looking build failure with http://review.merproject.org/#change,68808:25
* dm8tbr humms the back to the future theme08:25
Stskeepstanuk2: :nod: if there's a fluke, i always re-review08:25
tanuk2Should I somehow trigger a rebuild attempt?08:25
tanuk2Stskeeps: What do you mean by "re-review"?08:26
tanuk2Resubmit the patch?08:26
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Stskeepstanuk2: no, kick the CI system to re-build test08:27
tanuk2Stskeeps: So how do I kick the CI system?08:28
Stskeepstanuk2: i do that normally :)08:28
Stskeepsother way is to upload a new version of the patch08:29
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tanuk2So there's nothing that I need to do then?08:29
Stskeepscorrect, feel free to continue on to next patch08:30
tanuk2Ok, thanks.08:30
Stskeepsgenerally when it's in gerrit, then set to resolved-fixed, add url for review, and go on to next stuff, and react if anything doesn't go well / bad reviews08:31
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Paimenfinally got time to setup nemo image to run in virtual box, now it seems that I can start working with TDriver when I have few hours to spare08:38
Stskeepsexcellent08:38
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Sage_Stskeeps: sb2-tools-armv7hl-inject ?08:55
Sage_where is that package?08:55
Stskeepssb2-tools-armv7hl in Core:armv7hl08:56
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Sage_ah08:58
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Sage_Stskeeps: nothing09:03
Sage_directory doesn't exist09:03
Stskeepshmmm09:04
Stskeepsbad sb2 rule maybe09:04
Sage_it happens on upgrade/downgrade of local buildroot but not to clean builroot creation09:06
alteregoSage_: do you have N9 for testing mer/nemo?09:07
StskeepsSage_: who owns /usr/share/doc?09:07
Sage_alterego: yes, but I was not able to push pr1.3 in that device09:07
alteregoOh, do you know why?09:07
Sage_Stskeeps: filesystem packge09:08
Sage_alterego: partition table is a bit crewed :)09:08
alteregoAhhh,09:08
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StskeepsSage_: ls -lR /usr/share/doc09:10
Stskeepsmaybe bad perms09:10
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Sage_http://pastie.org/431314809:11
* Sage_ ponders if his sd card broke finally09:12
Sage_Stskeeps: 755 perms09:13
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Sage_well, checking from my sdk not buildroot it fails though09:13
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ericcSage_     what   are  you  doing?install  mer  on?09:30
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Sage_ericc: ?09:52
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dm8tbrSage_: google translate or somesuch from chinese09:57
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Stskeepslbt: what are conditions for getting into Mer:Tools:Testing and thereon out to :Tools ?10:16
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lbtM:T:T is very easy access for trusted devs and serves as a place to share tools from10:29
lbtM:T is the pre-release staging area and should be reviewed to get into10:30
lbtwhen we're happy with M:T we do a release from it10:30
Stskeepsok10:32
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lbtnb... this is kinda what happens, not saying its a good system :)10:32
* Sage_ ponders if something is wrong with latest prerelease linking10:39
Sage_Info: Installing: pm-utils             +++++++++++                        [160/473]/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.KQwWGf: line 4: touch: command not found10:39
Sage_I fixed that issue already10:39
Stskeepsrpm -q --changelog pm-utils10:39
Sage_sure if the image boots :)10:39
Stskeepskernel finished, making image..10:40
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StskeepsREMINDER: Mer release management meeting in #mer-meeting in 15 minutes10:45
Sage_ok, so n950 doesn't boot either10:46
* Sage_ ponders what in x86 makes it boot compared to n900 and n95010:46
* Sage_ checks if there is new kernel requirements10:46
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Sage_Stskeeps: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/README?id=a63599edcca136554f6794870214fba495324ec410:52
Sage_time to hunt some kernel patches I guess?10:52
Stskeeps..forwhat10:53
Sage_No idea :/10:53
Sage_x86 is the only adaptation that passes that dep so maybe that is reason it boots10:53
Stskeepsneeding ipv6 seems really strange10:53
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lbtouch11:00
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timophkyyberi: btw, does the meet thing track realeases with executive summary changelogs?11:10
kyyberitimoph: atm it does not do anything relared to releases11:11
kyyberiyet11:11
timophack. would be a nice feature anyway11:11
kyyberiwould need to know easy access points to data to do that (newbie, not knowing where to look for)11:11
timophat least the releases with change info is sent to the mailing list11:12
E-Pkyyberi: I will try to comment your questions in the bug tomorrow11:12
kyyberihmm...prolly somewhere else too.11:12
kyyberiE-P: great11:12
timophiirc those have consistent titles11:12
phaeronkyyberi: lbt and I might have input on that too11:13
timophso should be possible to identify the mails but true, a static source would be better11:13
kyyberiphaeron: yeah :)11:13
kyyberitimoph: agree11:13
phaeronkyyberi: we'll talk once the re meeting is done11:14
kyyberiphaeron: k11:14
phaeronbtw does someone know what qa-dashboard does ?11:15
phaeronkyyberi: it might help if you look at it and see if it can be reused or parts of it used11:15
* lbt just mumbles : modular, modular, modular ... and wants to see that....11:17
kyyberilbt: :)11:17
E-Pphaeron: IIRC it summarizes the qa-results11:18
kyybericurrent features are modular if not being dependant of each other is the criteria11:18
kyyberibut not packed to easy-to-install gems11:19
kyyberiwhich would be great11:19
phaeronE-P: is it useful or do we just slurp data from qa-reports11:20
lbtkyyberi: independent git trees and deployment schedules11:20
kyyberilbt: i see11:20
lbtyes, there can be version dependencies11:20
E-Pphaeron: it has nice graphs :)11:20
E-PI haven't used it much11:21
phaeronE-P: so does qa-reports itself, so the question is , have links in kyyberi's dash to qa-reports or use qa-dashboard as module in in kyyberi's dash etc ..11:21
E-Pphaeron: for me the links are enough11:22
E-Pand passed, failed, n/a numbers11:23
phaeronyeah. I think we'll have to extend the qa-reports rest-api a bit though11:24
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E-Pphaeron: yes that, or boss/ots will update the results11:25
phaeronE-P: I am working on the boss participant to upload test results to qa-reports, can be used with both vm tests or ots / something else device tests11:26
phaeronthe rest api for qa-reports can be used to upload test results. however it doesn't return any meaningful data , not even the report id afaics11:27
E-Pphaeron: good. ots had plugin for that, so you can reuse the code11:27
phaeronE-P: where, I was writing from scratch, it's not that difficult11:27
E-Pphaeron: yep,  the api returns only the link to the results11:27
E-Phttps://meego.gitorious.org/meego-quality-assurance/ots/trees/master/ots.plugin.qareports11:28
phaeronE-P: if it does that should be a starting point to add a "GET report/id" , the api reference doesn't say there is such an operation11:29
E-Pphaeron: the api returns the url when you have uploaded the data, otherwise you cannot get anything out of qa-reports11:31
phaeronyes I am saying code has to be written for that :)11:32
E-PI should learn to read :)11:32
E-Panyway, indeed if its needed11:33
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StskeepsSage_: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/minicom.n900.cap11:47
Sage_Stskeeps: \o/11:47
StskeepsSage_: so why is it dying..11:49
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Sage_discussing at #systemd :)11:49
phaeronSuppressing connection request on systemd-udevd-kernel.socket since unit stop is scheduled. ?11:49
* kyyberi back11:53
phaeronSage_: boot.mount changed mounting -> failed11:53
StskeepsSage_: mention e2fsprogs version at some point as well..11:54
Sage_Stskeeps: can you do "ln -sf /proc/self/mounts /etc/mtab" and retry?11:54
StskeepsSage_: hmm, i suppose so11:55
Sage_I did ../proc/self/mounts but maybe it is about the .. thingy11:55
Sage_however, on x86 that same link doesn't cause that problem11:55
phaeronSage_: also systemd-fsck looks failed11:55
Sage_phaeron: well that fails on x86 as well11:56
StskeepsSage_: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/minicom.n900.1.cap11:58
StskeepsCannot add dependency job for unit display-manager.service, ignoring: Unit display-manager.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status display-manager.service' for details.11:58
Stskeeps11:58
Stskeeps?11:58
phaeronStskeeps: the compatibility stuff removed had something to do with uxlaunch ?11:59
Sage_Stskeeps: same on x86 uxlaunch probably should provide display-manager or something?12:00
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Stskeepsprobably yeah12:00
Stskeepshello Vilsepi :)12:01
Sage_Stskeeps: can you try ln -sf ../proc/self/mounts /etc/mtab and see if the warning reappears?12:01
Stskeepswhich specific warning?12:01
Sage_if it does then I need to fix that thing in the packaging12:01
Sage_/etc/mtab is not a symlink or not pointing to /proc/self/mounts. This is not supported anymore. Please make sure to replace this file by a symlink to avoid incorrect or misleading mount(8) output.12:01
Sage_Using cgroup controller name=systemd. File system hierarchy is at /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd/system.12:01
VilsepiStskeeps: hello12:01
Sage_or well maybe we should use /proc/self/mounts as is anyway12:01
StskeepsVilsepi: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?12:01
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VilsepiStskeeps: I did my thesis last year on building meego in the cloud with OBS12:02
StskeepsVilsepi: oh cool :) the one with EC2?12:02
Vilsepiyah12:02
Vilsepiand I heard rumors that there might be some interest to research on OBS again12:03
Stskeepswas a good read, compared to other thesis'es i've seen :)12:03
Vilsepity12:03
Stskeepsyes, we discussed this a bit and we are glad to let you play with our things and see what can be done :)12:03
Stskeepsmany interesting challenges12:03
Vilsepiyeah i agree12:04
Stskeepsand more than happy to help getting you started, as well12:04
StskeepsSage_: i just nuked my own mtab, i hope this won't be a problem..12:04
Stskeeps:P12:04
Sage_Stskeeps: lol :D12:04
StskeepsVilsepi: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Process is somewhat where we're trying to go12:05
StskeepsVilsepi: we also have something called MDS so anybody can reproduce mer anywhere12:07
Stskeepsie, do rebuilds, research recompiles, optimizations, etc12:07
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vgrade_Vilsepi: We have a meeting today you may be interested in, http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00622.html ,see the log for a discussion of OBS research12:08
StskeepsSage_: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/minicom.n900.2.cap12:08
Vilsepialright, I'll take a look of those, thanks guys12:09
StskeepsVilsepi: if there's any questions at any time, feel free to ask :)12:09
Stskeepsvgrade_: i'll probably be at dentist sadly12:10
vgrade_Stskeeps: np12:10
Sage_Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4316293 try these + that mount with absolute path12:11
Stskeepsmmkay12:12
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* Sage_ added mnt so that Stskeeps doesn't use it to his host ;)12:13
kyyberilbt: so creating gems seems to be only rational option. Need to learn that then.12:15
lbtyes - it's not hard12:15
StskeepsSage_: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/minicom.n900.3cap12:15
lbtnote we'll be using bundler to consolidate the gems into a package for deployment12:16
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Sage_Stskeeps: still no UX?12:16
kyyberilbt: ok12:16
StskeepsSage_: still no UX, blinks a couple of times12:16
StskeepsSage_: i dont see ti-omap3-sgx starting either12:16
Sage_what about usb networking?12:17
Sage_does it come up?12:17
* lbt wonders if his connman wifi networking scripts may help if there's no serial port?12:17
StskeepsSage_: i don't have a working serial port12:18
Stskeepscheck what services are launching12:18
Stskeepsplymouth-lite shows up however12:18
Stskeepserr12:18
Stskeepsworking usb port12:18
Sage_? :)12:19
Sage_ah that12:19
Sage_:P12:19
StskeepsActivating default unit: default.target12:28
StskeepsTrying to enqueue job graphical.target/start/replace12:28
StskeepsCannot add dependency job for unit display-manager.service, ignoring: Unit display-manager.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status display-manager.service' for details.12:28
Stskeepsisn't it just that uxlaunch isn't starting / providing as d-m12:28
Stskeeps?12:28
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Sage_Stskeeps: ok, systemd requires fsck from util-linux 2.19+ and we have fsck from e2fsprogs12:30
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Sage_or something like that12:31
Stskeepsok12:31
StskeepsAlias=display-manager.service in uxlaunch.service.in12:31
Stskeepswhat's going on here..12:31
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Sage_Stskeeps: is it ok to change it from e2fsprogs to util-linux?12:32
Stskeepsyes, i guess so12:33
Stskeepsbut why can't systemd find display-manager.service -> uxlaunch?12:33
Stskeeps:P12:33
Sage_we should disable some of those services that we don't use12:34
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Stskeepseither way, why does this work on x86 and not here?12:41
Stskeeps:P12:41
Stskeepscan you see what display-manager.service is set to on x86?12:41
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vgrade_https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=113126712:45
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Sage_Stskeeps: any change you could look at the util-linux gplv3 thingy?12:58
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StskeepsSage_: yes, but not today12:58
Stskeepsassign to me12:58
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Sage_Stskeeps: have time to do couple of more tests still today? After I get this util-linux and e2fsprogs mess settlet?13:19
Stskeepsno, going to dentist :(13:20
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rcgmay i bother some of you to also have a look at http://review.merproject.org/#change,636 :)13:22
rcguhh.. Stskeeps good luck with the dentist!13:23
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rcggoing to the dentist, even for a regular check-up, feels a little like being checked by a cop.. for whatever reason you always feel somewhat guilty even if you are pretty sure you didn't do anything wrong...13:24
Vilsepi"This is dentist brutality!"13:28
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sroedal_reminds me of the polish dentist who sedated her ex and removed all his teeth, when he came to her for an appointment after a nasty break-up13:29
Stskeepssroedal_: my previous (polish, but living in .dk) dentist claimed that female dentists were more bloodthirsty13:30
Stskeeps:P13:30
Stskeepssroedal_: ironically i'm going to a polish dentist.. though not an ex13:30
Stskeeps:13:30
StskeepsP13:30
sroedal_but when I now google for it it turns out the story had no teeth: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/vengeful-teeth-pulling-dentist-story-deemed-hoax-152703370.html13:30
Stskeepsmy ex's polish mother had poured saltwater in all the electronics of her cheating boyfriend..13:31
sroedal_so you can rest a little bit easier13:31
Stskeeps:P13:31
sroedal_lol13:31
Paimenwell I need to be carefull if I ever broke with my wife13:31
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Paimenshe is not a dentist, but oral hygienist. Still I bet she knows lot of dentists from this area ;)13:32
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Sage_Stskeeps: giving e2fsprogs and util-linux update at the same just to ensure no more problems :)13:39
Stskeepsok13:39
Sage_old versions seem to haunt us atm.13:40
* Sage_ really hopes these changes will finally get the systemd up and running13:41
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Sage_:(14:18
Sage_but I don't have serial so makes it hard to find out what changed14:18
Stskeepsi'll be back in 2-3 hours14:18
lbtSage_: connman wifi ?14:22
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vgrade_Sage_: was systemd 41 the last working?14:32
Sage_vgrade_: yes14:34
Sage_lbt: ?14:34
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Sage_Stskeeps: well at least fsck and that mtab errors are now gone by default.14:50
Stskeepsok good14:58
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vgrade_OBS Meeting on #mer-meeting in 515:55
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situStskeeps: hi17:28
kyyberilbt: around?17:28
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Stskeepssitu: 'lo17:28
situWhat's up ?17:28
Stskeepsnot much.. having an interesting evening reviewing CVs17:29
kyyberiany suggestions for tools to use in making gems. Engine approach, railtie...or jeweler (https://github.com/technicalpickles/jeweler)17:29
kyyberiStskeeps :)17:29
situOk.. I sent a patch yesterday, did you check it ?17:30
Stskeepssitu: i've been a little busy and sick, and no - generally i wait for automatic testing to go through, but at the moment we're wrapping up a release, and when that's wrapped up, we admit new changes17:30
situOk.17:31
Stskeepswhich URL to the change?17:31
situStskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/#change,69117:32
Stskeepsokay, so when adding -l it would start logging to .xsession-errors?17:34
situYeah.17:34
Stskeepsadd this information in .changes file and i think it looks fine17:34
situIt's there.17:34
Stskeepsnop,  Made logging errors in .xsession-errors optional.17:35
situI didn't mention the flag naem.17:35
Stskeepsdoesn't explain how to activate it :)17:35
Stskeeps:nod: it's just that when you're browsing through a changelog, you don't want to look into every single patch17:35
situCan I do it in separate commit (Just change the .changes file) ?17:36
Stskeepsfixing the change is a matter of changing .changes file, git add, git commit --amend and add the Change-Id: I2e80a7f07e9b46a82108bbd2e8df13df8f6376f1 in commit message17:36
Stskeepsand git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master again17:37
Stskeepshttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail#Re-submit_if_original_change_was_rejected17:37
Stskeepsotherwise it looks fine, i'm just nitpicking :)17:41
lbtkyyberi: not at the moment ... bbiab though - ask alterego17:41
situStskeeps: Should I add Changeset a top of commit ?17:41
situat *17:41
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situok found it, it should be after signed off line.17:43
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Stskeepssitu: yes17:43
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situStskeeps: now17:48
kyyberilbt: ok17:49
Stskeepssitu: much better, thank you17:50
Stskeepssitu: feel free to mark as RESOLVED-FIXED and i'll take it from here17:50
Stskeepsit'll get reviewed automatically, and then i'll merge when there's a window open fori t17:50
kyyberialterego: experiences in making rails gems? Need advice on tools to use.17:50
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kyyberialterego: I have code, which is mostly just controllers, partials and views (+css+js). Need pack those in gems17:51
kyyberiand manage the versions easily :)17:52
situStskeeps: Should I leave review url there too ?17:52
kyyberialterego: ofc migrations should go there as well17:53
Stskeepssitu: yes please17:53
kyyberiI must say that this dashboard thingy is a God send (not that I believe in God), I've had thoughts about doing this kind of app for about a year.17:56
kyyberithanks for the chance :)17:57
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Stskeeps:)18:01
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vgrade2evening18:06
timopho/18:06
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vgrade2not many people in the OBS meeting, my late agenda posting and summer evenings probably, will try to give more notice next time and ping people with actions18:08
alteregokyyberi: you want to put migrations in gems?18:08
alteregoSeems a bit strange.18:08
* timoph forgot18:08
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vgrade2timoph, np18:08
vgrade2just Sage_ and I there18:09
vgrade2alterego hi18:09
alteregoHey :)18:10
vgrade2fancy a day out at the linux automotive conf in Sept18:10
alteregoSounds fun,18:10
vgrade2Alison_Chaiken is over18:10
alteregoand sept is quite free for me I think18:10
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alteregocool,18:10
alteregodates?18:10
vgrade2might get a Mer crowd18:10
vgrade219-20 Sept18:11
Paimenthat would be cool, but I think I'm not one my company sends there :P18:12
alteregohrm, where is it vgrade2 ?18:13
alteregoLooks like I'm free then so far :)18:13
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vgrade2Gaydon18:15
alteregoAh, not too far then18:15
Alison_Chaikenvgrade2 and alterego, prpplague from #pandaboard and I will be travelling to Bletchley Park for a pilgrimage on 9/18 if anyone wants to join.18:15
vgrade21/2 a mile for Jaguar18:15
Alison_ChaikenTaking train from Warwick, where Auto Linux Summit is.18:15
alteregoBloody warick ..18:16
vgrade2alterego, ?18:20
alteregoNothing, ;)18:20
alteregoEx Lives there :)18:21
alteregoa.k.a. "The B*tch"18:21
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alteregoNot that it'll stop me going :P18:22
vgrade2lets see if we can get a Mer crowd going18:22
Stskeepstshirts would be good to have ;)18:24
alteregoStill don't have t-shirt18:24
alteregoI have asked several hundred times :P18:24
Stskeepslbt: ^18:24
vgrade2I thought there were spares from the first batch18:25
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vgrade2not too far for lbt, he could bring some18:26
kyyberialterego: well, how's the system then able to create database tables if there are no migration rules?18:26
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kyyberiI must have misunderstood something about rails18:26
alteregokyyberi: no, you're completely right, it just seems weird to me :P18:27
alteregoI'd recommend you look at a pre-existing rails plugin that has a database migration set in there, and base yours on that.18:28
vgrade2sledges, going to linux automotive conf?18:28
kyyberialterego: ah, now I know what you mean. User normally uses generators and those create migration rules. That would be the case here too. So, no ready-made migrations to gem :)18:30
kyyberibut the tools to use in creating gems. Or the approach, there seems to be a few options.18:31
kyyberiI haven't created gems before18:32
alteregokyyberi: either have I, the key is in the .gemspec file though18:33
alteregoThat's all you need to know really, then you run gem build on it.18:33
alteregoafair18:33
alterego;)18:33
kyyberihaha, yeah I've read that it's about that..mostly18:34
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alteregoRight, gonna reinforce my dbus and pa connectivity code now ..18:36
kyyberiin rails 3.x tendency is to make gems more and more like small scale engines (rails it self is an engine), but I've read that in some cases that's an overkill18:36
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kyyberiengines act as independent features18:36
kyyberibut I got to test and see what fits our situation18:36
alteregoVery much depends on the complexity of the system, but for a complex enough solution, then yes, usually each part is sub-divided in to a component/engine/system of it's own.18:37
kyyberiyeah18:38
kyyberiI think that is what lbt is after18:39
kyyberimake each 'feature' as independent as possible, for sure gems but still uncertain how much engine kind.18:40
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kyyberiwell, we'll see18:45
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[ol]Stskeeps: Hi! Did you change something in Mer Gerrit? I've been able to register with it today using my OpenID provider.19:20
Stskeeps[ol]: hmm, not to my knowledge19:24
[ol]Interesting. :-)19:25
[ol]I've installed the real SSL certificate on my HTTPS server, but the error produced by openid4java was indicating a different problem.19:26
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alteregoul 24 22:54:29 localhost.localdomain pulseaudio[656]: alsa-source-old.c: Resume failed, couldn't restore original sample settings.19:52
alteregoJul 24 22:54:29 localhost.localdomain pulseaudio[653]: main.c: Daemon startup failed.19:52
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Sage_Stskeeps: another thing with current prerelease when updating local buildroot http://pastie.org/432620720:37
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Sage_http://pastie.org/4326312 ah, didn't know that.20:56
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sobczykhi, I have n900 and using power kernel, is there any way for having power kernel and uboot?22:37
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sobczykfor booting mer (nemo) off the external card22:38
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trip0Stskeeps, !23:16
trip0is awake/alive?23:17
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