Monday, 2012-07-23

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iekkuhmm, year ago i was soooooo nervous04:25
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StskeepsSage_: let's try with the prerelease if things boot?05:09
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Stskeepstimoph: python testrunner? ?05:31
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Paimeniekku: why was that?05:56
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Sage_Stskeeps: is prerelease pushed to cobs? cc: lbt06:01
Stskeepsi'd assume so, given libprofile-qt started at 1:49am last night UTC06:03
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tripzerowhat do you guys do with pulseaudio to improve performance?06:09
tripzerorunning on my beaglebone it consumes 60% cpu06:09
tripzeroi've got it down to 10% by tweaking the config's resample-method06:10
tripzerowondered if you fellas knew of other tweaks06:10
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E-PGood morning06:12
iekkuPaimen, i got married year ago06:13
E-Piekku: congratulations!06:13
iekkuE-P, yes! stil married :P06:14
Stskeepsiekku: congratulations :)06:16
Jopehappy anniversary :-)06:16
iekkuand that's why i'm not around during mer bug triage06:17
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Paimeniekku: congratulations06:21
Sage_Stskeeps: how to disable /usr/lib/rpm/ from rpm build?
StskeepsSage_: it's a %define or something you have to do06:25
Stskeepsdoesn't pvr do this?06:26
Sage_yes, marvel gfx blobs06:28
Sage_Stskeeps: x86 vm raw boots with latest prerelease at least06:28
Sage_will try the n900 soon as well06:29
kyyberiiekku: :)06:31
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Sage_Stskeeps: something hardcodes paths :P06:43
Sage_need to add additional links to mkmod06:43
Stskeepsget updated mkinitrd06:44
Sage_lets see06:44
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lbtSage_: yes, email should have gone out07:20
lbtStskeeps, Sage_, phaeron: retention policy: "snapshots and pre-releases are only kept during the current and next release cycle"07:21
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timophStskeeps: haven't tried that. intel guys wrote that07:28
timophfor some reason (nih) the didn't want to use tr-lite, etc. so they did that07:28
timophbut in any case. good time to check how it works07:29
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Sage_lbt: Can you rephare that?07:38
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iekkuhey! one thing! i can't participate todays triage, and can't promise to be available during next 2 weeks07:52
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iekkuis someone volunteer to chair 30/7 and 6/807:52
Stskeepsiekku, assume me or lbt07:53
iekkui can't even promise to send invitations07:53
iekkumy wife is planning to keep me away from computers...07:54
lbtgood stuff07:55
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Paimeniekku: wife are like that, altought now mine is insisting me to play Wii with niece07:57
Paimenwhat time triage is today?08:09
rcgPaimen: may i suggest donkey kong country returns in that case :)08:09
Paimenrcg: good idea, but I do not have that so we are playing Mario Kart08:10
iekkuPaimen, 14:00 fin08:10
rcgohh, right, but that's also a not so bad choice08:10
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Paimeniekku: thanks I try to attend08:11
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slainemorning folks08:23
slaineof course, it's not officially morning until I've had my coffee08:23
timophE-P: merged your test-definition changes to master08:24
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* iekku offers slaine cup of coffee08:26
iekkubig one08:26
slaineOh I need it, thanks08:26
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E-Ptimoph: ok08:50
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timophkill -$FIRE `pidof NetworkManager`08:52
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timophE-P: did you already update test-definition in obs?09:50
E-Ptimoph: yes, it is in my home project09:50
E-PI can create SR to Mer:Tools:Testing09:51
timophimo it's good to go. I tagged the release to gitorious.09:51
E-Phave you tested that btw?09:51
timophseems to work09:52
timophalthough didn't do that extensive testing with it09:52
E-Pnot even necessary09:53
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w00tmake: Warning: File `' has modification time 2.1 s in the future10:03
phaeronlbt: said he fixed it10:05
phaeronmaybe another host10:05
lbtI fixed CI - cobs hasn't had this problem that I know about?10:05
phaeronit seems to be showing similar ntp related issues10:06
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cristi_speaking of ntp, shouldn't we start the daemon automatically after installing the package?10:17
cristi_the package we have in mer doesn't even have an init script10:17
phaeroncristi_: it's going to be removed afair, connman has the functionality builtin10:20
phaeronwhich is weird imho10:20
cristi_weird indeed10:22
cristi_raspi needs to run an NTP daemon or run ntpdate at boot, since it has no hardware clock10:23
lbtnot much point until there's a network connection :)10:26
cristi_that's true10:27
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StskeepsSage_: how's the prerelease looking/10:41
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StskeepsREMINDER: Mer bug triage in 15 minutes in #mer-meeting10:45
Sage_Stskeeps: x86 raw image boots. Trying to figure out the livecd for x86 now.10:46
Sage_aard_: told about CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED and that it might cause problems and our x86 kernel had it enabled at least10:46
Stskeepsand n950?10:48
Sage_haven't tried n900 or n950 yet10:48
Stskeepslbt: have you reviewed phaeron's disable-build patch yet?10:54
lbtStskeeps: not fully, no10:54
lbtI've looked at it and it looks good10:55
lbtwould benefit from test case description10:55
lbtin a README even10:55
lbtie "do this, this, this and this should happen, now do this and that should happen"10:55
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lbtotherwise the reviewer has to reverse engineer the objective from the code - and that may not be the desired goal10:56
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lbtStskeeps: you running today's bug or me?10:57
Stskeepsyou have the scripts handy?10:57
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Stskeepsright, because i don't have them handy :P10:58
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Stskeepsi'll do the filling in10:59
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phaeronlbt: the commit message should help with that11:01
phaerondid you read it ?11:01
lbtphaeron: triage now.... chat in a bit?11:01
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lbtANNOUNCE: Mer bug triage starting in #mer-meeting now11:02
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situStskeeps: Do we have repositories on anyother site than ?11:22
situIt's blocked by my college, can't access it.11:22
Stskeepsthat's a bad college :)11:22
Stskeepsaren't they supposed to let you learn? :P11:23
situWell they think it's advertisment site ;)11:23
situcould you tell me address of other repositories ?11:23
situStskeeps: could you ?11:25
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Stskeepshttps:// doesn't work?11:26
situhandshake fails.11:26
situno wait..11:27
situit works. but I think certificate is expired.11:27
situHow should I tell osc about it ?11:27
cristi_should work11:28
cristi_situ: is this for OBS?11:29
cristi_for the web frontend or osc?11:29
cristi_check your .oscrc, you must have both user and pass saved there in clear text11:30
situI have.11:30
situSSL handshake fails.11:30
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cristi_have you tried to see the output with --http-full-debug?11:32
situLet me try11:33
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situ_cristi_: there is no such option11:37
cristi_osc --http-full-debug ls11:39
cristi_the option must be before the command11:39
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situ_I actually solved it :
situ_But I get a parser error now.11:40
situ_in xml11:40
cristi_what are you trying to do?11:41
situ_Here is the problem.11:42
situ_I tried to do osc build i58611:42
situ_But now my project file is filled with error sent by firewall. it's no more valid.11:42
situ_It tried to access meego.com11:43
situ_and failed.11:43
cristi_you can edit the XML file through the web interface11:43
situ_Is there any way to regenerate it ?11:44
cristi_copy it from another project and edit it11:44
cristi_click on advanced then meta11:45
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cristi_but this is done for armv6l, what i use on my rasPi, you should find something closer to what you are working on11:45
situ_I can't access firewall blocks it even with https11:46
X-Fadesitu_: It is, not pub.build11:47
situ_sorry I mistyped.11:47
situ_Yeah, I tried accessing it, doesn't work.11:47
situ_this means today I won't be able to work on uxlaunch11:48
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aard_situ_: big question is if you should spent time working on uxlaunch ;)11:51
Stskeepsaard_: until we have a replacement, fixes are okay11:51
situ_How are we going to replace it ?11:51
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aard_Stskeeps: unless something is really broken i'd say it would be better to spend those efforts on systemd11:52
Stskeepsaard_: junior developer, i don't mind him getting his hands dirty11:52
Stskeepsand i would otherwise agree11:52
aard_ah. 'junior developer' == 'may do stuff we'll throw away anyway'? :p11:53
situ_aard_: He is right, I am just starting :)11:53
Stskeepsaard_: still a bug until there's a replacement :)11:53
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situ_How should I search in zypper ? Which package contains ck-connector ?11:58
Stskeepszypper search and i think consolekit11:59
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Stskeepssitu_: way we're replacing it is something called systemd user sessions12:03
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situ_May be I should try that too... wait I will be back..12:03
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Stskeepssitu_: it's the kind of work that makes even professionals cry, so wait a bit :)12:04
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situWhy are you leaving uxlaunch ?12:05
situI mean what's better in systemd user sessions ?12:07
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Stskeepsits far saner to work with, and more fast startups of sessions12:08
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* Stskeeps needs a nap, bbl12:12
Sage_Stskeeps: n900 doesn't seem to work. But I'm not entirely sure if my flashing went ok or now as dd behaves oddly atm.12:13
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StskeepsSage_: ok upload img somewhere12:14
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StskeepsSage_: i can test with a jig if you need it12:33
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pdanekJust asking, anyone here tried Synergy on Mer/Nemo?12:49
pdanekAs for Fremantle, should be possible:12:50
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tanuk2What's the policy about Makefiles in the package repositories? specify warns about missing Makefiles, but on the other hand, Sage_ appears to have removed the Makefile for libXtst, so I wonder if the policy is now to prefer not having them.13:12
Stskeepsremove them, and file a bug to remove the check from spectacle13:12
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Sage_tanuk2: new spectacle will not complain. spectacle 0.2513:16
Sage_Stskeeps: will do new image an uploda it13:16
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sledgesgood afternoon!13:39
sledgesis anyone attending CELF '12 ?13:39
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Stskeepsthere''s a automotive summit coming up too i think13:42
mikhasStskeeps, link?13:45
Stskeepsautomotive linux summit or something13:46
mikhasStskeeps, ?13:47
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Stskeepsthink so13:47
Stskeepsif in the uk13:48
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sledgesCELF's in Barcelona, would like to meet you fellows13:48
tanuk2Are bugs marked as FIXED when the fix has been submitted to review, or after the fix has passed review? isn't very clear on this.13:49
Stskeepsfixed when submitted to review13:49
mikhassledges, ?13:50
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mikhasthanks for the conference tips13:56
mikhasI would have missed them, even though I get spammed by LiFo on two e-mail accounts ;-)13:57
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sledgesour boss reminded us about the CELF/ELCE13:57
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mikhasthanks to your boss then, from an internet stranger ;-)13:58
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sledges:)) will pass on, cheers!14:00
vgrade_is going to automotive linux summit14:03
sledgesIVI is really picking up isn't it? :) Well my company wants to send a person or two to CELF, thought of asking around if any of you will be there, too14:04
Stskeepstoo busy :P14:05
sledgesRoger :) out of curiosity: why are you focusing on automotive though?14:05
Stskeepsjust one that was coming up14:06
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Stskeepslbt: take a look at phost4 worker3-4 window14:47
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StskeepsSage_: at least it goes into emergency mode15:07
Sage_Stskeeps: ?15:08
Sage_it does?15:08
Stskeepsloops it over and over again15:08
Sage_I wonder how it does it as sulogin isn't in our images :)15:08
Sage_ah... ok so it doesn't go to emergency mode :)15:08
Stskeepswell it loops over and over again, so naturally....15:08
Sage_it tries but fails as we are missin sulogin15:09
* Sage_ files a bug15:09
Stskeepsalso, for some reason, systemd.log_target=console doesn't go to ttyO215:09
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Sage_64 bytes from ( icmp_req=280 ttl=58 time=10083 ms :D15:12
Sage_makes typing over ssh fun :D15:12
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dm8tbrSage_: get mosh :)15:12
* Sage_ ponders again if 4G would be better at some conditions 15:12
dm8tbrfunny enough Elisa/Saunalahti sucks in Hervanta when compared to the vast nowhere of Pohjois-Karjala....15:13
Stskeepsdm8tbr: probably interference with the giant nokia testnet..15:13
dm8tbrStskeeps: hehe, I guess the authorities would have some choice-words if NTN would cause interferences. I simply suspect the network to be overloaded.15:14
Aarddm8tbr: maybe you were the only user there, while at home you have to share it?15:14
dm8tbrAard: not as crass, but that's basically my suspicion.15:15
dm8tbrfew users vs. many users that consume lots of bandwidth15:15
dm8tbranyway, after /just/ 1,5 months Sonera has decided to finally deliver a VDSL connection. Supposedly the modem is in the mail...15:16
rcgyay, seems like w00t is on a bug killing spree :D15:19
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w00trcg: or bug creation spree - depending on whom you ask :)16:07
w00trcg: but which one were you meaning?16:07
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rcgw00t: nothing in particular, i just noticed that you were quite active during the weekend :)16:17
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rcghey Venemo_N916:19
rcgw00t: didn't even notice that you filed new bugs :)16:20
w00trcg: nemo got a bunch of new ones16:20
rcgright, i see16:20
Venemo_N9hi rcg, how are you?:)16:22
rcgVenemo_N9: so so.. got a cold that i didn't manage to cure since about 2-3 weeks.. today the doc then said that i need to stay at home.. which i don't like actually...16:23
Venemo_N9you don't? why is that?16:24
rcgah well.. i actually planned to go on with some things for work..16:25
rcgwas kinda looking forward to getting these things done and then continue with some research..16:25
Venemo_N9I see16:27
Venemo_N9rcg, I wish you a speedy recovery :)16:30
rcgVenemo_N9: thanks :)16:33
iekkurcg, you can't work from home?16:38
rcgiekku: i do16:38
rcgthat's actually one of the problems i am facing when being prescribed by the doc to stay at home... stop working while being officially sick16:39
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iekkuit's hard16:40
rcgdunno but seems like bureaucracy hasn't picked up with modern things like home office yet16:40
iekkuif you aren't so sick that you need to stay in bed, it's easy to try to do work16:40
rcgit is indeed16:40
rcgand fighting this is actually harder than fighting the actual cold16:41
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situStskeeps: I tried "osc build i586" for uxlaunch and got this error "BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys"16:54
alteregositu: osc build --no-verify16:55
situalterego: thanks! :)16:56
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Stskeepswb Tumi_17:27
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kyyberiStskeeps: (as well as others) I need some feedback. How would you like to see bugs listed in dashboard? Splitted to different tables by severity? Here's current version with all (not taken) bugs in one table
Stskeepshave you seen the way you can sort in bugzilla by17:49
kyyberihave prolly seen but not noticed :)17:49
situkyyberi: I don't know about the dashdboard, but please bring "My Bugs" link at the top, I had trouble finding it.17:51
kyyberibasic view sorts to me by 'Pri'17:51
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kyyberiofc I can create table that can be sorted by any of the colmuns17:51
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kyyberiyeah, sort by any column17:52
kyyberiI'll go with that17:52
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lbtkyyberi: I'm not sure bugs is a good next step for this - simply because we have most of that in bz by default18:10
Stskeepsthe view isn't always good though18:11
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kyyberilbt: well, you might be right18:18
lbtjust thinking about things that are totally missing18:18
Stskeepslbt: saw my phost4 commment above?18:18
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kyyberianyways, 'bugs reader' is already implemented and view ...sort of18:18
Stskeepslbt: log into phost4, screen -d -r and peek around18:19
lbtkyyberi: if it demonstrates modularity and a different datasource that's a good thing :)18:19
lbthttp:// ?18:19
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Stskeepslbt: no, the fact that there's builds spinning due to time sync problems18:20
Stskeepsor something odd going on18:20
lbt /usr/bin/qmake -o Makefile qtmultimediaquicktools.pro18:21
Stskeepslbt: yes, look above that18:22
Stskeepsthe 'in the future'18:22
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situStskeeps: While compiling and tessting code "osc build" seems to take lot of time, what's the ideal setup for development ?18:24
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lbtsitu: it can do - if you have an SSD that's a good candidate for the tmp build dir18:34
lbtI'm planning on some work to improve that next week.18:34
Stskeepslbt: so, any idea why this would be spinning?18:34
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lbtlooking at ntp and it's fine18:34
Stskeepsi noticed a bizarre difference in UTC within the kvm18:34
situWelll I don't have any such candidate.18:34
Stskeepssitu: how slow, and what build, and what osc build?18:35
lbthmm it's swapping ntp masters though18:35
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cristi_situ: you can try to bind-mount it to /dev/shm instead18:35
Stskeepsor just mount tmpfs.. if you have a lot of memory18:35
Stskeepslbt: i've seen it claim UTC within build log that was like 4 hours difference18:36
situYeah.. but it checks for all 115 dependencies through network, which seems very slow to me.18:36
lbtsitu: it caches18:37
lbtso subsequent things are faster18:37
Stskeepssitu: you can do --no-init or --offline, i think18:37
lbt-o is short for --offline (or whatever the long version is)18:37
lbtbe aware that that only works if you're fixing code/packaging and not if you change Requires or Buildrequires18:38
situIn any case I don't think doing "osc build" makes sense when I just want to check whether my program will compile or not.18:38
lbtsitu: there are pros+cons - I'm working on stuff to make it more productive18:39
lbtcurrently the focus is on correctness18:39
situlbt: well... that's a good news :)18:39
lbtthe bad news is it keeps getting pushed down my prio list by stupid ntp bugs....18:40
situI will find a workaround for me.18:40
situIt makes me worred cause I am on a very slow system.18:41
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lbtmy suggestion is to stick with it and learn it - the pros are very good18:41
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lbtStskeeps: I don't get it18:42
Stskeepslbt: i don't either18:42
lbtI don't like no-kvmclock18:43
Stskeepsi don't mind getting rid of it in 'build'18:46
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kyyberisorting feature done18:49
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lbtfixed it in build btw18:54
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kyyberilbt: are those the most urgent features?
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kyyberiI commented the bug19:08
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cristi_any ideas why wouldn't BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbus-1) bring dbus-devel, although dbus-devel provides the dbus-1 pkg-config item?19:10
Stskeepsthat should usually work19:11
Stskeepscheck if dbus-devel actually provides it19:11
Stskeepsrpm --provides -p *rpm19:11
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cristi_it's weird19:15
cristi_I'm trying to get the qt5 spec file stripped down so it would just provide the eglfs platform plugin for raspPi19:15
cristi_and qtopengl19:16
cristi_but I got stuck at the compile phase because of dbus19:16
cristi_maybe it's incompatible...19:17
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lbtStskeeps: so CI is idle?19:28
Stskeepssomething's building on ph719:28
lbtOK - phost4 is quiet19:28
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situStskeeps: you around ?19:43
Stskeepsabout to head to sleep19:44
situI commited my fix :,69019:44
Stskeepsah.. that's not a good way to do it19:44
Stskeepsnormally you never ever touch a tarball, you add a patch19:44
situpatch to what ? there is only a tarball in repo.19:45
Stskeepsyou never edit the tarball, you add a .patch file to the package, and refer to it in .spec file with Patch0: file.patch     and %patch0 -p1 in %setup for example19:47
Stskeepslook into how you would add a patch in a package :)19:47
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Stskeepstarball = how the upstream project tarred their project19:48
situIs it anywhere on the wiki ?19:50
Stskeepsi think it's anywhere in rpm documentation/packaging guidelines :019:52
situI never made an rpm package :P19:52
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Stskeepsbtw, when i say that it's not a good way, it's just to make you learn how to be a better packager :)19:53
Stskeepssame skills can be used in many different os'es19:53
situThat's fine, how should I handle my review request now ?19:53
Stskeepskeep on working on it, restore the old tarball, add patch, edit spec, git commit --amend with the new change-id: header19:55
situStskeeps: Is reverting fine or is there any other way ?19:57
Stskeepsyou can also simply click 'abandon change'19:58
Stskeepsand give it another shot, re-checking out the branch19:58
situOk.. let's restart :)20:02
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lbtsitu: give me a yell if you need advice20:14
situlbt: I am fighting back.. and post my patch soon for review :)20:15
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lbtgood stuff20:18
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situlbt: osc build was succesful, should I show you my diffs before pushing for review ?20:24
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lbtsitu: sure - did you build in c.obs?20:31
situI didn't get that.20:31
situAre you talking about server side builds ?20:31
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lbttypically you'd do a trial build on the server too20:33
situWith "osc ar" and "osc ci" , right ?20:33
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situOk, I will try and if it succeeds I will show you the diffs.20:34
lbtyou've branched already so it's not usually much work20:34
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situlbt: It showed a commit, how should I see the result ?20:36
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lbtmmm is that blocked for you?20:36 ?20:36
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lbtyou could try it against Mer_next too20:38
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situI am at home, so it's not blocked for me :)20:38
situHow should try it for mer next ?20:39
lbtgo to the 'advanced' tab and then 'meta'20:39
lbtsee the xml20:39
lbtadd a <repository name="Mer_next_Core_i486">20:40
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lbtchange the    <path repository="Core_i486" project="Mer.MDS:Core-next:i486"/>20:41
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situStatus is building.20:43
lbtso this will do a simple build verification20:43
lbtOK - so, we really need docs :/20:45
situI will try to update the docs once done with this fix.20:45
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lbtno, I mean Mer :)20:46
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lbtpatches end in .patch20:47
lbttypically have a slightly descriptive filename20:48
situshould I rename it ?20:48
lbtyou need to add them to the .yaml file and run 'specify' when a package already has a .yaml file20:49
lbtso yeah, rename it20:49
situShould I add patch names too in .yaml ?20:49
lbtyep see;a=blob;f=zypper.yaml;h=4e2945e999efa495a1efeda8dd9bedf87e05144e;hb=master20:50
situOk, would you like any other thing changed ?20:50
lbtI'd suggest make_logging_optional.patch20:50
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lbtour automation will verify all these checks20:52
situWhat does specify do ? It's asking me about Makefile.20:54
situlbt: ping20:57
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situI ran specify *yaml Can I push my changes now ?21:00
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alteregositu: just ignore that, you don't need the Makefile21:03
situTrying a server side build.21:03
situSuccess! Would anyone like to have a look at diffs before I submit them for review ?21:10
situOk.. sending.21:11
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situalterego: ping21:20
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situalterego: Could you have a look at ?21:26
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alteregolooks good to me.21:31
situ_ok, thanks! :)21:31
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CosmoHillnight night21:54
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