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| cristi | Stskeeps: I compiled eglinfo on my Pi and here's the output: http://pastebin.com/vm5JxYuy | 00:56 |
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| timoph | morning | 06:58 |
| Paimen | morning | 07:06 |
| * Stskeeps turns on the coffee machine | 07:08 | |
| phaeron | morning | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | morn phaeron :) | 07:24 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: was looking at obs scheduler code yesterday night for the feature we want to add. It's a tough one :) | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and it wouldn't be any easierr to do it in meta prj instead? | 07:27 |
| phaeron | that's how I want to do it, I don't think there is another way | 07:27 |
| easedas | add nfc？ | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | easedas: opennfc might work | 07:29 |
| easedas | look forward to | 07:31 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: but it does look in meta prj anyway doesn't it, to check if a package is enabled or disabled | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | er, shoul dbe | 07:43 |
| * Stskeeps needs new keyboard.. | 07:43 | |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: package enabled / disabled is in package meta | 07:47 |
| phaeron | afaics | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | no, i mean | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | you can disable all packages on a global scale | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | in meta prj | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | or enable / disable for certain architecture | 07:48 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning phdeswer :) | 07:49 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: yes that's where I am looking currently in the code | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:50 |
| phaeron | will start sprinkling some debug prints | 07:50 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm happy with <enable><package>package1</package><package>package2</package></enable> as well | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | if that makes things any easier | 07:51 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: so at least now I can unconditionally disable packages build in a prjlink, without disabling build in the project | 08:33 |
| phaeron | there might be hope :D | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:33 |
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| phdeswer | hi Stskeeps | 08:58 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: so what is the status of the current stuff with systemd et friends? | 09:04 |
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| Sage_ | in build that is | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: ntp bug on infra is biting a lot | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | otherwise good | 09:05 |
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| * Sage_ ponders if qemu update would help him to get systemd running on armv7hl image and chroot | 09:06 | |
| Sage_ | where is our qemu from? | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | qemu-linaro | 09:06 |
| Sage_ | so https://launchpad.net/qemu-linaro/ ? | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | right | 09:07 |
| Sage_ | k | 09:07 |
| * Sage_ fixes the link in packaging to point that as well | 09:07 | |
| CosmoHill | good moaning | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ping me when awake | 09:08 |
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| cristi_ | moin | 09:15 |
| cristi_ | Stskeeps: it looks like dispmanx is a must on the raspi :( | 09:15 |
| cristi_ | all the examples that I got to work were using it | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | cristi_: odd, i could swear i had it going without | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | but OK | 09:16 |
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| cristi_ | Stskeeps: the GL initialization code needs a native window. that's usually provided by Xlib, but in its absence you can use dispmanx on the Pi | 09:19 |
| cristi_ | I don't know how would you do it in Qt over the framebuffer device | 09:19 |
| cristi_ | could qt provide such a native window instead? | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's possible | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's patches for eglfs on qt | 09:23 |
| Sage_ | sdk is i486? | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | very intentional | 09:27 |
| * Sage_ almost again installed i586 stuff | 09:28 | |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i've switched ntp.in.* to pool.ntp.org as having ntp inside a vm just causes crazy things on build side.. | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: also, i think we have to either offload phost1 or move the vpn endpoint somewhere else | 09:33 |
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| Sage_ | ok, package has two spec files, how do I build both locally with osc? | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | add spec name in end | 09:42 |
| Sage_ | ah, simple | 09:43 |
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| Sage_ | pah, qemu update doesn't enable running armv7hl systemd test :/ | 09:45 |
| Sage_ | well, update in review anyway ;) | 09:45 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: if you happen to get the serial output from N900 that could help a bit. | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | let's get this prerelease done and then we'll check n900 | 09:48 |
| * Stskeeps makes a note that this mess wouldn't have happened without automatic qa | 09:49 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:49 |
| Sage_ | :) | 09:49 |
| Sage_ | without? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | with | 09:49 |
| Sage_ | :) | 09:49 |
| rcg1 | Venemo_N9: ping | 09:50 |
| Venemo_N9 | pong :) | 09:50 |
| rcg1 | i think it's better to discuss in here instead of pm. so the info is at least archived in the channel logs.. just in case other guys are interested ;) | 09:51 |
| Venemo_N9 | ok | 09:51 |
| rcg1 | Venemo_N9: plasma active runs fairly well on archos 101 g9 turbo | 09:51 |
| rcg1 | there was a minor issue with the touch screen not working that i could solve by loading the correct module | 09:52 |
| Venemo_N9 | how about Nemo? | 09:52 |
| rcg1 | some guy from basyskom over @ #active helped a lot to find the problem and i think he also fixed that issue in the kernel config.. just can't remember his name | 09:53 |
| rcg1 | Venemo_N9: didn't even know one could run nemo on archos? | 09:54 |
| Venemo_N9 | I'm just asking | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | theoretically possible | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | we have it on panda too so | 09:54 |
| rcg1 | i just tried plasma active | 09:54 |
| rcg1 | Stskeeps: interesting :) | 09:55 |
| Venemo_N9 | has anyone tried to make this theory into practice Stskeeps? | 09:55 |
| rcg1 | Venemo_N9: the guys over @ #active also helped a lot to get wifi up and running.. might write a blog post about this to document the procedure ;) | 09:56 |
| rcg1 | the issue there was that i needed to autostart wifi without working touch screen so i added some autostart script to automatically configure wifi on bootup | 09:57 |
| Venemo_N9 | rcg1, I'm looking forward to that blog post | 09:58 |
| Venemo_N9 | :) | 09:59 |
| rcg1 | :) | 09:59 |
| rcg1 | gotta go for lunch though.. bbl | 09:59 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: good luck with the next prerelease. I'll be back later at some point. | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: thanks | 10:01 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: so now something like <build><disable repository="i586" arch="i586" package="acl"/></build> validates but the package attribute gets eaten on the way to source server | 10:04 |
| phaeron | in prj meta | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: BSXML.pm fault maybe? | 10:05 |
| phaeron | no I modified that , the file POSTed from api to srcsrver has the attribute removed | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | i think api has some kind of xml schema too | 10:06 |
| phaeron | something in the ActiveXML weirdness is eating it | 10:06 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: yes I modified the rng schema file so that it validates | 10:06 |
| phaeron | it used to reject it | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | i think it might possibly manually build the xml file too | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | i think i read that somewhere.. | 10:07 |
| phaeron | anyway digging in | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 10:07 |
| situ | Stskeeps: Could you review it ? | 10:07 |
| situ | http://review.merproject.org/#change,681 | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | situ: actual .spec looks fine, generally, wait for automatic review and then people manually review | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | in this case, automatic review hiccuped | 10:08 |
| phaeron | I'll bypass the API and post to srcserver directly , and deal with api later | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | situ: i'm using build power to prepare a long overdue prerelease atm | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | situ: then i'll manually restart your review | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | just go happily on to other tasks :) | 10:09 |
| situ | Allright. | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | and note the review URL in bug | 10:09 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: yeah the srcserver swallows it. it's the api that strips it. anyway now I can do the implementation in the scheduler and go back to api later | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ok | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: thank you | 10:13 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: I want to try fixing https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320 | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | uxlaunch is where you have to look | 10:33 |
| situ | Let me clone it. | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it be an option | 10:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: in other oddities.. why does OBS build set 'no-kvmclock' on workers? | 10:45 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: o/ | 10:56 |
| lbt | seen the ntp comments | 10:56 |
| lbt | we need to have an in-LAN ntp master as most machines should have limited internet access | 10:57 |
| lbt | we can run it on a phost though | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | yes, agreed, but temporarily in order to get a prerelease out that isn't stuck in stuck builds | 10:57 |
| lbt | I'm not sure why you think it's a problem though? | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | what is a problem? | 10:58 |
| lbt | ntp on zathras | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | our ntp is on a virtual machine that has no relation to real time and very often drifts up to 13-46 seconds | 10:58 |
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| Stskeeps | and that causes problems in our workers | 10:59 |
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| Stskeeps | due to endless loops | 10:59 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm happy with getting ntp on a phost eventually | 11:03 |
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| Stskeeps | anyway | 11:03 |
| lbt | if it's working now that's fine | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | the no-kvmclock is awkward | 11:03 |
| lbt | be aware that puppet may correct ntp conf | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | i changed ntp.in DNS | 11:04 |
| lbt | that should do it subject to iptables | 11:04 |
| * Stskeeps stares at phost4 | 11:05 | |
| lbt | why no-kvmclock then? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's standard in obs build script it seems | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | and it strikes me a a bit as odd | 11:06 |
| lbt | it does | 11:06 |
| lbt | (not surprisingly I've never heard of it but from the name I guess it prevents a paravirt clock) | 11:07 |
| lbt | is there anything you would like me to look at - or is this mainly FYI for when it comes time to tidy up the infra? | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just FYIng atm as to log the changes i've done | 11:10 |
| lbt | OK | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | that there's a problem and i needed to discuss | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'm trying to get us on track to another prerelease during today | 11:12 |
| lbt | yep - I was just checking if you needed me to pitch in or if you had it under control? | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | i -think- it's under control, but i'm having packages needing rebuild with 'bad' file timestamps in them.. | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | the vpn endpoint is obviously overloaded though | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: how's your activities going, out of curiousity? | 11:14 |
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| lbt | the way we're managing gems for non-mer is a real pita - we end up with a lot of packages | 11:16 |
| lbt | I'm moving us to use bundler | 11:16 |
| lbt | what I'm aiming to do is make an rpm of the bundle | 11:16 |
| lbt | this means an update to any of our 3/4 gem related systems is a simple 'bundle update' and then make a single package | 11:17 |
| lbt | that basically goes from mer-git -> gem -> bundle -> rpm | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:18 |
| lbt | frankly it's a horrid waste of time | 11:19 |
| lbt | it's boring and useless :D | 11:19 |
| lbt | OTOH BOSS and other things haven't been updated with new features because the hurdle to follow upstream is huge | 11:19 |
| lbt | removing that hurdle is important to get some of the webui that kyyberi and co are looking at integrated to it | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:20 |
| lbt | so yell if you need me.... as usual this has rabbit holes... | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm trying not to yell as to let you manage your own priorities | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | so be careful of rabbit holes | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | how would we offload phost1 a bit? | 11:22 |
| lbt | are you happy with phost6/7 behaviour? | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | well, they're opensuse 12.1 and i'd like to somehow get upstream option for the worker naming hack, but besides that i'm good | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | i think vpn endpoint is what causes lag atm | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | as it's on already-overloaded phost1 | 11:23 |
| lbt | me too | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | phost2 is just standing idle atm? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | except for imbackup | 11:25 |
| lbt | it's a worker host isn't it | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | just not set up with the 'new' setup | 11:25 |
| lbt | I was going to move fe/be there | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like an idea | 11:26 |
| lbt | and maybe make a DB server there too | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | how much is 5.2e+03 seconds? | 11:29 |
| lbt | 2 hrs ish? | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds really bizarre | 11:29 |
| lbt | where? | 11:30 |
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| Stskeeps | phost4 loop complaining about qt4 qmake.conf, though i've abortbuilded it now and rebuilt qt4 | 11:31 |
| lbt | where are you looking ? | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | live build log with screen | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | this qt may have been before the ntp sync though | 11:34 |
| lbt | OK | 11:34 |
| situ | I have libXau installed but configure script couldn't find it. | 11:35 |
| lbt | you removed the no-kvmclock ? | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: no | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | if things keep on getting weird, i do so | 11:35 |
| lbt | phost4 ntp is not synced | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | huh? | 11:36 |
| lbt | ntpq -p | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | ntp42.ganneff.d .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 | 11:37 |
| lbt | should have a * in front of it | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | workers seem totally screwed up, moment | 11:38 |
| situ | Stskeeps: any hints to fix my problem ? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | situ: walk me through where you go to | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | got | 11:38 |
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| situ | uxlaunch's configure script couldn't find libXau. | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | situ: install libXau-devel | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok, can you cause a sync now? all obs workers down | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | on phost4 | 11:42 |
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| lbt | should be done | 11:46 |
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| Stskeeps | could you check ph6 and ph7 too? | 11:49 |
| lbt | looking at puppet | 11:50 |
| * Stskeeps restarts ph4 worker | 11:50 | |
| * Sage_ ponders if http://www.marvell.com/application-processors/armada-500/ support armv7hl | 11:50 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: pj4? | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | / cubox | 11:51 |
| Sage_ | yes | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but not neon | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | we actually had marvell validate armv7hl on their setups | 11:51 |
| Sage_ | but we don't have neon by default. | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | should work | 11:51 |
| Sage_ | or do we? | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | we don't | 11:51 |
| Sage_ | ok, so I though | 11:51 |
| Sage_ | I have kernel building atm. so next thing to do image and see if it boots | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:52 |
| Sage_ | 2.6.32.9 so hopefullypicked up all the needed patches from the n950 :) | 11:52 |
| KaIRC | such an old kernel :p | 11:56 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: What's the easiest way to build dependencies for a package ? We don't have source repositories. | 11:56 |
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| Stskeeps | situ, get obs account, register on meego.com , prod lbt | 11:57 |
| situ | I did. | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok, then use osc build | 11:58 |
| situ | I am not sure whether my account has been enabled for obs. | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | log in on https://build.pub.meego.com to check | 11:59 |
| lbt | situ: it was enabled | 11:59 |
| situ | Ok, thanks! | 11:59 |
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| Sage_ | yey cubox kernel compiled and made proper rpm \o/ | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | remembered no unaligned access patch? | 12:03 |
| Sage_ | yes | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: you should see packages.tar.gz from the wiki of cubox.. amazing lot stuff there | 12:07 |
| situ | Where is config file for osc ? | 12:08 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: yes have that already | 12:08 |
| Sage_ | not packaged but ready on my disk :) | 12:09 |
| situ | Found it! | 12:09 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I'm pondering if cubox is one of the most open hackable devices from source/binary point of view :) | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: looks nice so far | 12:13 |
| Sage_ | yes | 12:14 |
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| * Sage_ is pondering if he should get 4G USB modem for faster connectiviy when not at home. | 12:16 | |
| * phaeron is back at it now | 12:19 | |
| Stskeeps | wb | 12:19 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: one thing missed from the current release that I hoped to get in was the mkcal fix | 12:29 |
| w00t | mkcal was broken? | 12:31 |
| Sage_ | w00t: see http://review.merproject.org/#change,636 | 12:34 |
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| w00t | oof | 12:42 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: almost there .. I think | 12:50 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: you know if tizen uses installer shell or similar? | 12:50 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: and if so what is the name of that | 12:50 |
| Sage_ | oh, they are doing raw images | 12:52 |
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| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/4300428 \o/ | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: cool | 13:46 |
| Sage_ | yey, and ethernet works | 13:47 |
| Sage_ | Maybe time to rest a bit and continue some other time. But I must say that this was simplest port so far to get device booting. :) | 13:47 |
| Sage_ | however, it might be because this wasn't the first port so routine starts to come with :P | 13:48 |
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| Stskeeps | next up, dovefb and glestest | 13:53 |
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| Sage_ | yes :) | 13:58 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: I think it actually works .. | 14:05 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: cool | 14:06 |
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| w00t | phaeron: for the love of $deity, is there any way to switch publishing on by default on cobs branches? | 14:17 |
| phaeron | w00t: it's off to save resources :) | 14:18 |
| w00t | :( | 14:18 |
| w00t | it's so annoying to have to go switch it on all the time | 14:18 |
| phaeron | osc meta prj -e is faster :) | 14:19 |
| phaeron | it would need a backend patch to change it , possible of course | 14:20 |
| w00t | I never got used to that | 14:20 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: it really works well now. and the change is in srcsrerver not scheduler. not very invasive. This is cool. Now just to convince the API to be reasonable | 14:23 |
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| timoph | good $time_of_day | 14:33 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: the annoying thing is api wants everything reflected in database. not very flexible | 15:17 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: ok it works all the way from webuid and api to backend. but needs a db schema alteration :( | 15:31 |
| phaeron | lbt: ^^ | 15:32 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: good work | 15:46 |
| w00t | make: Warning: File `mcompositor-gestures.pro' has modification time 79 s in the future | 15:50 |
| w00t | errm.. i think something broke | 15:50 |
| w00t | (on cobs) | 15:50 |
| phaeron | cobs too ? | 15:55 |
| w00t | yeah that was | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: phost4 finished "build qtdeclarative.spec" at Sun Jul 22 14:32:35 UTC 2012. | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | 2012-07-22 18:13:58: build finished 'qtdeclarative' for project 'Core:mipsel' repository 'Core_mipsel' arch 'mips' using helper linux32 | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | there's something massively broken here | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | either that, or we moved to russia!@ | 16:34 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: https://github.com/Merproject/open-build-service/commit/4d4ee9f89a11bd613415a83bfc47b7237f80c3ee | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and i need to use rakefile or something to add db schema? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | and this allows me to individually enable packages, while rest is disabled? | 16:47 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: force pushed https://github.com/Merproject/open-build-service/commit/454c2a56e8f3950d123e47afd573737229999647 | 16:49 |
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| phaeron | there's an example line there. I haven't tested the db migration yet, but if you want to do it manually then : alter table flags add (package tinyblob); | 16:50 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: also I tested a couple of combinations of flags and it seemed to work , but fresh eyes and review is of course needed :) | 16:50 |
| phaeron | lbt: get your review in gear ! https://github.com/Merproject/open-build-service/commit/454c2a56e8f3950d123e47afd573737229999647 :D | 16:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 16:54 |
| phaeron | so much time spent on so little code .. dunno if that's good or bad :/ | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | it means you found a good method | 16:55 |
| phaeron | it wasn't as invasive as I expected | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: thank you, i'll review it tomorrow | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | just want to get this release out.. | 17:07 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: no problem , there's no rush :) | 17:37 |
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| cristi_ | w00t: you're experienced with qt, right? | 18:00 |
| w00t | cristi_: fairly | 18:01 |
| cristi_ | is it possible to get a single qt build containing supporting all the available hardware as defined in the mkspecs and to be able to choose between them on runtime? | 18:02 |
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| CosmoHill | hey w00t | 18:02 |
| cristi_ | w00t: I've just seen qtbase/mkspecs/devices/ has a lot of those | 18:03 |
| w00t | cristi_: no.. mkspecs set very much different things, might turn off entire features, etc | 18:03 |
| w00t | (sadly) | 18:03 |
| cristi_ | okay, so it means we need to manually compine qt for each of those targets | 18:03 |
| w00t | my guess is that Qt's compilation process is mostly optimised for the case of a vendor taking it and building it for a set of target hardware rather than what we're trying to do (cover a lot of different targets with a single build) | 18:03 |
| w00t | it depends what you need from the mkspec | 18:04 |
| w00t | it may be possible to enable it | 18:04 |
| w00t | but it is a possibility, yes | 18:04 |
| cristi_ | hmm | 18:04 |
| cristi_ | I will take a look in there, maybe it could be refactored in a more modular way | 18:05 |
| cristi_ | after I saw this it all made sense :) | 18:05 |
| cristi_ | the build that we have would not run on the raspi with platform eglfs unless we build it against the raspi mkspec | 18:06 |
| w00t | ugh :) | 18:08 |
| w00t | let me guess, it uses EGLFS_PLATFORM_HOOKS_SOURCES? | 18:08 |
| w00t | one way would be to "fork" eglfs to be an out of tree plugin and just build that (patched to make it work obviously) | 18:09 |
| cristi_ | it makes sense to have all those mkspecs for various OSes and compilers, but for devices it would be nice to be able to compile all the ones for the current arch and OS into separate plugins which could be installed and then enabled at runtime | 18:10 |
| w00t | yes | 18:10 |
| w00t | well, it makes sense for us | 18:10 |
| w00t | i can see why - with the traditional approach - it doesn't make sense | 18:10 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: wasn't the kernel src thingy already fixed for sb? | 18:29 |
| Sage_ | ah, nm. my own fault | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | for us it'd make sense to be able to build eglfs out of tree | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | as we don't want to mix core with specific hw adaptations | 18:54 |
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| cristi_ | Stskeeps: indeed, but then we'd have to ship qt5 as part of the hw adaptation | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | cristi_: well, qt5 eglfs module is 'ok' | 19:00 |
| cristi_ | yes, but can that be built independently of the others? | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | that's what i -think- should be possible.. | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | it's very modularized | 19:01 |
| cristi_ | to we'd just build that one against the raspi mkspek | 19:01 |
| cristi_ | sounds like a plan | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | i just havent had time to really play with it.. | 19:01 |
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| Bostik | hmmmhh... eglfs pulls in EGL/egl.h, and eglfscursor uses GLES/gl2.h | 19:11 |
| Bostik | without diving too deep in the sources right now, I'd guess that real adaptation target would be the QPA element | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | well, in case you need to do mods of eglfs | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | to fit on a device | 19:12 |
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| Bostik | mmm right | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: pre-release .0.2 requested, please do the honors :) | 19:16 |
| lbt | OK | 19:16 |
| * Stskeeps hopes things work better this time and that by next time, we have automatic qa to stop this crap in it's steps.. | 19:21 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:22 |
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| * phaeron waits for the resources :D | 19:58 | |
| * Stskeeps offers phaeron cookies | 19:59 | |
| phaeron | are cookies are like beer for contributors that are non-alcoholic ? :D | 20:00 |
| iekku | cookies??? | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | i was hoping that would work you, yes | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | +for | 20:01 |
| phaeron | works great :) | 20:01 |
| iekku | muffins for some | 20:01 |
| * timoph prefers cake | 20:05 | |
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| tripzero | hi! | 21:16 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 21:17 |
| vgrade2 | tripzero, hey | 21:18 |
| vgrade2 | tripzero, will you be over for the automotive summit in Sept? | 21:18 |
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| shmerl | Hi! | 21:35 |
| shmerl | I filed a bug about missing QTMLocationProvider(). See https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475 | 21:37 |
| shmerl | In Harmattan it comes from libqtm-location-dev but there is no equivalent in Mer. | 21:37 |
| rcg1 | Venemo: http://ruedigergad.com/2012/07/22/enable-wlan-in-plasma-active-on-start-up/ | 21:37 |
| rcg1 | hi shmerl | 21:37 |
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| Venemo | rcg1, thanks :) | 21:40 |
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| rcg1 | Venemo: yw :) | 21:41 |
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| Venemo | rcg1, does it also have hw graphics acceleration? | 21:44 |
| rcg1 | Venemo: there are two images... so far i made the most experiments with the one without hw | 21:44 |
| rcg1 | acceleration | 21:44 |
| shmerl | Any news how Vivaldi is doing? | 21:45 |
| shmerl | They were set back with no drivers before. | 21:45 |
| rcg1 | the web site says that the hw-acelerated image does not support suspend, so this was kinda useless for me | 21:45 |
| Venemo | meh | 21:45 |
| Venemo | how ridiculous is that | 21:45 |
| rcg1 | shmerl: nope... i signed up for being notified once devices are ready but didn't hear anything so far | 21:46 |
| rcg1 | that's one reason why i got an archos 101 g9 | 21:46 |
| shmerl | Same thing. The last update was on LWN. | 21:46 |
| shmerl | http://lwn.net/Articles/504865/ | 21:46 |
| rcg1 | Venemo: well, i just tried the hw accelerated image once.. but didn't play around much as the touchscreen was not working.. found the solution to my touchsreen issues a little later when playing around with the non hw accelerated image | 21:47 |
| rcg1 | have a look at the basyskom web site and see the comments about the images for more details about the most apparent issues | 21:48 |
| CosmoHill | night night .o/ | 21:49 |
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| rcg1 | Venemo: well, actually, the web site says that powermanagement is disabled.. dunno if that means that suspend does not work | 21:51 |
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| rcg1 | i just interpreted it as this | 21:51 |
| Venemo | rcg1, disabled on purpose or just not working? | 21:51 |
| rcg1 | "Power Management is disabled due to bugs in binary graphics acceleration driver" | 21:52 |
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| Venemo | hmm | 22:01 |
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| Venemo | all right | 22:01 |
| Venemo | so, I'm not getting that archos tablet. :) | 22:01 |
| rcg1 | well, as said, have a look at the basyskom website for more details: http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/archos_gen9.html | 22:08 |
| rcg1 | ;) | 22:08 |
| Venemo | I only wish I had a thing for low-level development | 22:11 |
| Venemo | hm, they have images for tegra too, but those are even less stable | 22:13 |
| Venemo | maybe I should just get an exopc or a wetab? it seems to be a lot more stable on those | 22:14 |
| Venemo | rcg1, what do you think? | 22:14 |
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| rcg1 | Venemo: hmm.. i'd say it strongly depends on what you want to do | 22:18 |
| Venemo | rcg1, I'm a UI guy. I'd like to be able to hack on UI things and apps without needing to mess around with the base system | 22:19 |
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| rcg1 | Venemo: right.. sorry for answering kinda slowly... had to do other stuff here as well... | 22:21 |
| rcg1 | well, for me the reason to get an archos g9 was to have a "development device" for plasma active | 22:22 |
| Venemo | rcg1, no problem at all. I'm also doing other things, so I didn't notice your answering slowly. | 22:22 |
| rcg1 | any maybe a device with which i can do basic "daily usage" like taking notes or viewing websites etc. | 22:22 |
| rcg1 | Venemo: right :) | 22:23 |
| Venemo | rcg1, neither of which are true at the moment. eg. I wouldn't call it a "daily usage" without hw acceleration | 22:23 |
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| rcg1 | dunno about expoc or wetab.. reason why i chose archos 101 g9 turbo was that it seemed to be an more or less up to date hw platform.. | 22:24 |
| Venemo | rcg1, yeah, I agree, but if it doesn't actually work... :) | 22:24 |
| rcg1 | Venemo: well, what i saw so far the ui reacts pretty smoothly even without hw acceleration | 22:24 |
| Venemo | really? | 22:24 |
| Venemo | I saw one at the Devaamo summit, and it was extremely sluggish | 22:24 |
| rcg1 | one issue is that they say that it doesn't support videos so far.. but that's no use case i am actually interested in atm | 22:25 |
| Venemo | the guys were joking about plasma active not being so "active" :D | 22:25 |
| rcg1 | lol | 22:25 |
| rcg1 | well, i just tried some ui stuff again.. i wouldn't call it slugish | 22:26 |
| Venemo | hm | 22:27 |
| rcg1 | animations are pretty smooth and ui reacts quite good on my actions | 22:27 |
| Venemo | that's nice. | 22:27 |
| Venemo | maybe there was an issue with that particular one then | 22:27 |
| rcg1 | but i don't know how you would judge it as i imagine this to be quite subjective | 22:27 |
| Venemo | mhm | 22:29 |
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| rcg1 | but e.g. rotation/orientation change is right now not supported at all | 22:30 |
| Venemo | that doesn't really bother me at all | 22:30 |
| rcg1 | also there seem to be some issues with respect to wlan.. you essentially need to configure it manually | 22:31 |
| rcg1 | i see | 22:32 |
| rcg1 | well, for the purpose i bought it it seems to be pretty sufficient.. but i was very aware that i am going to get a kind of "pre alpha" device | 22:32 |
| rcg1 | and also keep in mind that i don't want to convince you to buy such a thing.. instead i want to give "honest" feedback | 22:34 |
| rcg1 | that's at least what i try to do :) | 22:34 |
| rcg1 | another point.. if you say you are going for ui development.. i don't know how much of the ui parts are shared e.g. across pasma active or nemo | 22:35 |
| Venemo | I'm not interested in plasma active at all | 22:36 |
| Venemo | if that's what you mean | 22:36 |
| Venemo | I was! | 22:36 |
| rcg1 | alright, then the tablet is most probably not what you want | 22:36 |
| Venemo | but they managed to get rid of me | 22:37 |
| rcg1 | i see.. how did this happen? | 22:37 |
| Venemo | I first saw it in maybe october or november 2011. I tested it on an ideapad and made some suggestions. it was unusable, so I switched back to meego netbook. then half a year later I had another try. it was even more unstable, none of the things I suggested were fixed, and noone seemed to care. | 22:38 |
| rcg1 | hmm i see | 22:39 |
| rcg1 | well, my experience so far is that the guys in #active are pretty helpful and open for comments... | 22:40 |
| rcg1 | maybe things changed in the meantime... | 22:40 |
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| rcg1 | e.g., they helped me very much to get my touchscreen issue solved | 22:41 |
| rcg1 | but well.. i didn't do very much with the tablet yet.. what i did so far was essentially to install the image and get wlan plus the touchscreen working | 22:43 |
| rcg1 | i still hope i can use the tablet on a daily basis for taking notes, browsing the web or doing email stuff.. but i think i am still pretty far away of this goal ;) | 22:44 |
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| Venemo | that's nice :) | 22:51 |
| Venemo | maybe they just had a bad day when I talked to them | 22:51 |
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| rcg1 | Venemo: yeah, might be | 22:58 |
| rcg1 | i'll keep you updated how my experiments go | 22:59 |
| Venemo | thanks :) | 22:59 |
| rcg1 | i hope i can get a development device and at the same time an at least basically usable device :) | 23:00 |
| Venemo | that's my hope exactly, but it seems that the barrier is higher for me :P | 23:00 |
| Venemo | but I'm not in a hurry :) | 23:01 |
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| rcg1 | hehe ic :) | 23:01 |
| rcg1 | it's good if you take your time, especially in it when you can buy a better product every two months ;) | 23:02 |
| rcg1 | *it ~ IT | 23:02 |
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| Venemo | :) | 23:02 |
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