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ZogG_laptop | lbt: still around? | 02:52 |
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ZogG_laptop | so if i install nemo/mer/other_os as dualboot as said on wiki | 03:12 |
ZogG_laptop | when i flashed with moslo and extracted rootfs | 03:13 |
ZogG_laptop | when i boot into harmattan, where this rootfs is? i want to try to chroot in there | 03:13 |
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iekku | morning | 03:24 |
ZogG_laptop | morning | 03:25 |
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E-P | morning | 05:18 |
Stskeeps | morn | 05:20 |
E-P | Stskeeps, phaeron: you were on tv :) http://areena.yle.fi/tv/1619021 (starting from 6min) | 05:21 |
Stskeeps | oh crap | 05:21 |
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E-P | not so bad | 05:24 |
Stskeeps | we're actually discussing non-secret stuff | 05:24 |
Stskeeps | :P | 05:24 |
Stskeeps | that's Mer:Tools:Testing on screen | 05:25 |
iekku | :D | 05:25 |
E-P | :D | 05:25 |
E-P | it looks good when there is only one red line and lots of green lines | 05:25 |
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rcg | mornin | 05:29 |
Stskeeps | morn | 05:29 |
Stskeeps | E-P: yes, it was a nice cut of the screen view ;) | 05:30 |
E-P | good publicity for Jolla | 05:31 |
Paimen | indeed | 05:34 |
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timoph | morning | 05:41 |
iekku | morning | 05:43 |
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* timoph installs flash plugin to see Stskeeps on tv :p | 05:44 | |
iekku | :) | 05:47 |
Paimen | timoph: yle-dl is good too :P | 05:47 |
timoph | Paimen: true | 05:48 |
timoph | so 1st Jolla news and Paavo Nurmi stuff *after* that. must be big :) | 05:49 |
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Stskeeps | Sage_: ping | 06:14 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: why does kmod provide module-init-tools? | 06:14 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: because it does | 06:19 |
Stskeeps | ok, so we should remove old module-init-tools? | 06:20 |
Sage_ | yes, but also should check that update doesn't cause problems from old image to new one for those that use it. | 06:20 |
Sage_ | It should update fine | 06:20 |
Stskeeps | ok, but kmod provides: module-init-tools, i guess | 06:20 |
Stskeeps | that's sufficient for another prerelease.. | 06:21 |
Sage_ | yes, and obsoletes it | 06:21 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/kmod.git;a=blobdiff;f=kmod.changes;h=e645b8149101c65ce6167a1be08fbfef20bbc397;hp=149b381157dae356e77f2c35f449aa1c3cfd922f;hb=28d6d4d8c50b012b6d23282bde635b5953bf48c7;hpb=84d32ec2c02eb4666d389fde3f05abb5d8c02731 | 06:21 |
Sage_ | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/kmod.git;a=blobdiff;f=kmod.spec;h=2448bf288fd279c3f033b167e4b639675eefeb80;hp=00d53c5333e7ced4119dda528e2d292012ee4a5c;hb=28d6d4d8c50b012b6d23282bde635b5953bf48c7;hpb=84d32ec2c02eb4666d389fde3f05abb5d8c02731 | 06:22 |
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* lbt is out this morning - time to start a pre-release in next 60m ? | 06:25 | |
Stskeeps | lemme check obs.. | 06:26 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: can you do a nemo image to verify prerelease otherwise? | 06:28 |
Stskeeps | and tell me if it seems like repos are sane | 06:30 |
Stskeeps | lbt: when do you come back? | 06:30 |
lbt | ~1pm UK time | 06:31 |
lbt | just checking space too | 06:31 |
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Stskeeps | other than that i don't see any regressions.. lsof in utils behaves a bit odd however | 06:38 |
Stskeeps | executable man page, etc.. | 06:38 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: yes doing that atm. | 06:48 |
Stskeeps | ok, thank you | 06:48 |
Stskeeps | i can help validate on n9/n950 | 06:48 |
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Sage_ | Question, did someone change "next/next-release" link/file opposite they were before? | 06:49 |
Sage_ | meaning http://releases.merproject.org/releases/next/ is now the link and http://releases.merproject.org/releases/next-release is now the file containing the version | 06:49 |
Stskeeps | err.. | 06:50 |
Sage_ | I'm just wondering how did my script work before :D | 06:50 |
Sage_ | if I had the typo or if someone changed those two :) | 06:50 |
Sage_ | Package module-init-tools is obsoleted by kmod, but obsoleting package does not provide for requirements | 06:51 |
* Sage_ ponders what that means | 06:51 | |
Stskeeps | new prerelease? | 06:51 |
Stskeeps | :P | 06:51 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=contextkit-maemo&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared | 06:52 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: ah, another udev fix needed | 06:52 |
Sage_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=telepathy-glib&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared | 06:52 |
Sage_ | :nod: | 06:52 |
Stskeeps | those test cases should be disabled anyhow | 06:52 |
Stskeeps | as they probably wont work in dbus | 06:53 |
Stskeeps | err, in qemu | 06:53 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: did you get the message when generating image? | 06:54 |
Stskeeps | lbt: i think we need another prerelease for sage_ to fully understand what broke with kmod.. | 06:58 |
Stskeeps | unless he has exclude-pkg | 06:58 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: wait a moment so I have time to check what things are wrong | 06:59 |
Stskeeps | ook | 06:59 |
Sage_ | that module-init-tools thing seemed to be only warning | 07:00 |
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Stskeeps | Sage_: you're not marko.saukko@jolla in mer bugzilla? | 07:04 |
E-P | iekku: any easy way to get mean-time of fixed bugs from bugzilla? | 07:04 |
iekku | not really | 07:05 |
E-P | I have to see if I find my python + bugzilla script somewhere | 07:06 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: no I'm not, should I be? I like to have those mails to my gmail as I get them filtered better there. | 07:06 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: ok | 07:06 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: i guess not, code contribution is probably where it matters | 07:06 |
Sage_ | Maybe plugin for bugzilla where one can enter more than on e-mail? | 07:06 |
Stskeeps | E-P: you can export to XML | 07:08 |
Stskeeps | at least | 07:08 |
* lbt realises his internal clock was wrong - not leaving for ~ 60m still | 07:09 | |
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phaeron | lbt: brain leap second issues ? :D | 07:10 |
lbt | *g* | 07:11 |
Sage_ | mkinitrd-7.0.17-2.1.Nemo.Adaptation.N900.armv7hl requires /sbin/insmod.static | 07:13 |
Stskeeps | really. | 07:13 |
Stskeeps | does kmod have that? | 07:13 |
Sage_ | that is one thing we should get rid of as well, mkinitrd that is. Wasn't that replaced by something else couple of years ago or so? | 07:13 |
Stskeeps | at least it's not used for x86 in later tizen versions, i think | 07:14 |
Sage_ | dracut? | 07:15 |
Stskeeps | mm, not evne in use | 07:15 |
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Stskeeps | morn mikhas :) | 07:37 |
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mikhas | moin | 07:38 |
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Stskeeps | :tools:testing | 07:44 |
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w00t | Stskeeps: cool | 07:47 |
lbt | Stskeeps: I thought you said the new CI/BOSS process was higher prio than that? | 07:49 |
Stskeeps | lbt: it is, but this is for other stuff. | 07:49 |
Stskeeps | so i want to pick those pieces off and then do other stuff when i'm at home | 07:50 |
mikhas | hey w00t, you made it onto the frontpage of HN yesterday? nice! | 07:52 |
w00t | entrely accidental! | 07:52 |
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Stskeeps | better than on TV | 07:55 |
Stskeeps | :P | 07:55 |
iekku | hn? | 07:57 |
kyyberi | ycombinator? | 08:03 |
mikhas | yes | 08:04 |
mikhas | http://news.ycombinator.com/news | 08:04 |
timoph | need to start wearing sunglasses while ircing here with all these celebrities | 08:04 |
iekku | ah | 08:04 |
Paimen | timoph: but that only means, we are almost celebs then | 08:05 |
timoph | :) | 08:05 |
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Stskeeps | ok, i'm almost sure that pacrunner is the source of many of our pacrunner bizarre issues | 08:09 |
Stskeeps | err, zypper | 08:10 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: prelink broke | 08:13 |
Stskeeps | what | 08:13 |
Stskeeps | show me/ | 08:13 |
Stskeeps | ? | 08:13 |
Sage_ | http://pastie.org/4282559 | 08:14 |
Stskeeps | E-P: when is mer qa meeting? | 08:14 |
Sage_ | i586 | 08:14 |
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Stskeeps | did it do this in older release too? | 08:15 |
Sage_ | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-07-02.1/images/nemo-handset-i586/nemo-handset-i586-0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-07-02.1-mic.log not baesd on log | 08:16 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: and it seems to be i586 only | 08:17 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: bizarre | 08:17 |
Stskeeps | check mer CI glibc build log? | 08:17 |
Sage_ | not sure what to look | 08:21 |
Stskeeps | any linker errors, etc | 08:22 |
timoph | Stskeeps: 12 utc (qa meeting) | 08:22 |
Stskeeps | ok thanks | 08:22 |
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Sage_ | none of those | 08:24 |
Stskeeps | awkward | 08:24 |
Stskeeps | well, let's see if the thing boots | 08:24 |
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Sage_ | oh | 08:27 |
Sage_ | that error isn't in log files | 08:27 |
Sage_ | so it could have been earlier there as well | 08:27 |
Stskeeps | interesting | 08:27 |
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lbt | bbiab | 08:29 |
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kyyberi | mikhas: direct link in ycombinator? | 08:34 |
mikhas | kyyberi, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4260239 | 08:35 |
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kyyberi | mikhas: ta | 08:36 |
E-P | Stskeeps: 12 UTC, and 15 Finnish time | 08:36 |
Stskeeps | thanks | 08:36 |
Stskeeps | i'm first taking off at 8pm tonight, plenty of time.. | 08:36 |
E-P | great | 08:36 |
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Stskeeps | or rather, fixing them to match with mer.. | 08:37 |
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Stskeeps | sage: didn't you build swaplogger at some point? | 08:48 |
Sage_ | yes, but couldn't find it anywhere last time I tried | 08:49 |
Stskeeps | http://gitorious.org/swaplogger/swaplogger/merge_requests/1 ? | 08:50 |
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Sage_ | who is using it? :) | 08:56 |
Stskeeps | i guess pelagicore ivi guys | 08:57 |
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timoph | Stskeeps: offline results preview with tr-ui requires a bit of effort to make happen. the problem is that the styling, images, etc. come from www and are defined in test-definition's xsl | 09:14 |
timoph | that needs to be changed somehow in any case since currently it's fetching things from qa-reports.meego.com | 09:15 |
E-P | timoph: should we deliver those files in the test-definition rpm package? | 09:16 |
timoph | E-P: I was just thinking the same :) | 09:17 |
timoph | and already did some experimentation | 09:17 |
timoph | the problem to me is that the files contain css, js and images | 09:17 |
timoph | so I'm thinking a simplified version of the xsl would be something worth doing | 09:18 |
timoph | minimize the need for additional files and eye candy | 09:18 |
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E-P | and the result.xsl uses google chart API | 09:21 |
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timoph | yep :/ | 09:22 |
E-P | otherwise it should work if we add those css and image files to package and change the result.xls to point to local file | 09:23 |
timoph | yep | 09:24 |
E-P | there is only 4 files, couple of css and one png | 09:24 |
timoph | (already did that) | 09:24 |
E-P | great :) | 09:24 |
timoph | in a quick and dirty way | 09:24 |
E-P | yep | 09:24 |
E-P | can you file a task about the simplification? | 09:25 |
timoph | just heading out. I'll file it after I get back | 09:25 |
E-P | thanks | 09:25 |
timoph | oh. the screen.css points to a few additional files.. | 09:26 |
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E-P | :/ | 09:27 |
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timoph | E-P: 444 | 09:44 |
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E-P | timoph: that is good, thanks | 09:45 |
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E-P | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Quality/Metrics | 09:47 |
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timoph | hah. at least we won't run out of things to do :) | 09:48 |
E-P | breadcrumb plugin would be nice to wiki | 09:48 |
timoph | file a fea req | 09:48 |
Stskeeps | E-P: ok, so not -that- bad | 09:49 |
Stskeeps | 22-81 days for a high bug we need to get down, obviously.. | 09:49 |
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E-P | there is only 17 high bugs, and 4 of them are over 40 days | 09:56 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:56 |
E-P | median for high is 12.8 | 09:57 |
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Stskeeps | it'll be interesting to track those over time as operations scale up | 10:09 |
E-P | yep, we should update those metrics after release | 10:12 |
Stskeeps | swaplogger working.. | 10:12 |
Stskeeps | sp-rtrace working.. | 10:16 |
kyyberi | Stskeeps: tracking feature in MeetMer? | 10:17 |
Stskeeps | maybe | 10:18 |
kyyberi | I had in mind that viewing at least stats about bugs would be there | 10:20 |
kyyberi | a few more ours work and then back to hobbies | 10:20 |
kyyberi | *hours | 10:21 |
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* kyyberi added that in MeetMer issue tracker as enhancement | 10:25 | |
kyyberi | that is already mentioned in what dashboard should have https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429. | 10:29 |
kyyberi | sort of...in general level, not in details | 10:29 |
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Stskeeps | Sage_: with the cubox, you have the vivante gles libs? | 10:41 |
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Stskeeps | hello wook :) | 10:50 |
wook | hello :) | 10:50 |
wook | i wasn't expecting anyone active atm :D | 10:50 |
Stskeeps | many of us are in europe | 10:50 |
Stskeeps | wook: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 10:50 |
wook | yes, i can assume that :D | 10:51 |
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wook | well, i was playing with my phone while ago multiboot....and i came across idea to write ui for boot loader that will be compatible not just with n950 but with n9 too and to be able to boot nitdroid, harmattan, meego, nemo, plasma... | 10:52 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:52 |
Stskeeps | the only sane way is really kexec | 10:52 |
wook | i am not that familiar with linux terms as i come from symbian side :D and honestly, this is my first linux phone, and as to desktop, i use just package manager :D hehehe, so, it would be very very awesome if you explain me more :D | 10:53 |
Stskeeps | hehe :) if you have any questions about Mer, feel free to ask at any time, or on how to contribute | 10:53 |
RaYmAn | Stskeeps: Mer-as-a-bootloader? ;) | 10:54 |
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RaYmAn | (though ,given kexecboot.org's current ability, it's kind of pointless to redo) | 10:55 |
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wook | well, so far, i can contribute only by drawing, but i am learning about kernel level architecture, so, maybe in future i can contribute with that to. but now, i am wondering, why mer is not working with sillyboot, from how i see, mer will refuse to run from .img or from fat disk, right? | 10:55 |
Stskeeps | wook: correct, we load our own kernel | 10:56 |
Stskeeps | as we need that | 10:56 |
wook | nor it will boot from chrooted dir | 10:56 |
wook | so, how to addopt them all? :) | 10:56 |
Stskeeps | dunno, but running own kernel is only sane solution | 10:57 |
Stskeeps | :P | 10:57 |
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wook | hehehe :D yea, i know nokia's kernel is not what we all like...but it boots nitdroid and seems like more n9's runs nitdroid than harmattan D: | 10:57 |
wook | not to mention n950s | 10:58 |
wook | anyhow, i want to multiboot plasma active and harmattan, but i need open kernel-ed harmattan and seems to me it's not very possible, right? | 10:58 |
ZogG_laptop | lbt: around? | 10:59 |
Stskeeps | wook: we only really support the moslo way on n9, sorry | 10:59 |
Stskeeps | and nemo mobile stuff goes in #nemomobile anyway :P | 10:59 |
wook | Stskeeps, thank you very much for your support, you are very friendly :D :) | 11:00 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: haven't checked yet. I started to package kernel already, but didn't have time to finish. | 11:21 |
Stskeeps | ok | 11:22 |
Stskeeps | seems like they're available from solid run wiki | 11:22 |
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sampos | 1108 | 11:25 |
Stskeeps | 1108? | 11:25 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: looks like a quite nice device support by now.. even flash player there | 11:26 |
Stskeeps | x11 gles libraries.. | 11:26 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: yeah, I'm trying to get the kernel and u-boot packaged during the weekend so that I can boot Mer and then move to more advanced stuff :) | 11:29 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:29 |
E-P | Reminder: Mer QA meeting starting in 27mins in #mer-meeting | 11:33 |
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Stskeeps | Sage_: n9 doesn't seem to boot | 11:44 |
Stskeeps | can you try n900? | 11:44 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: moment | 11:47 |
Sage_ | I've lost my microsd card reader | 11:50 |
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Sage_ | ah | 11:56 |
Stskeeps | mm? | 11:57 |
ZogG_laptop | does moslo has output somewhere? or the way to see the log? | 11:57 |
Stskeeps | why does it crash? | 11:57 |
Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: telnet in/ | 11:57 |
ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: i get "failed to boot alternative os kernel" =( | 11:58 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: found one :) | 11:58 |
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Stskeeps | Sage_: ah | 11:58 |
Sage_ | card adapter that is | 11:58 |
Sage_ | mm? ;) | 11:58 |
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Stskeeps | :P | 11:58 |
ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: i need to set usb network for that right? | 11:58 |
Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: right | 11:58 |
ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: than i think i need to learn how to do it after all =) | 11:59 |
ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: lbt told that with dualboot method and moslo it loads harmattans kernel and not mine | 11:59 |
E-P | QA meeting starting/ongoing | 12:01 |
E-P | iekku, Sage_, phaeron, Stskeeps | 12:01 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: did you get message about emergency mode? | 12:19 |
Stskeeps | uhh.. | 12:19 |
Sage_ | on n9 that is | 12:19 |
Stskeeps | no | 12:19 |
Stskeeps | remember | 12:19 |
Stskeeps | no framebuffer | 12:19 |
Sage_ | eh | 12:19 |
Stskeeps | no fbcon, that is | 12:19 |
Sage_ | ok. So it seems that the | 12:19 |
Sage_ | sec | 12:19 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: sending you a image to your mail | 12:21 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: did we go for 185 or 186? | 12:22 |
Sage_ | 185 | 12:23 |
* Stskeeps ponders | 12:23 | |
* Stskeeps downloads VM | 12:23 | |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: got my mail? | 12:25 |
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Stskeeps | Sage_: yes | 12:25 |
Sage_ | k | 12:26 |
Sage_ | it seems that fsck has some incompatibility as well | 12:26 |
Stskeeps | yes | 12:26 |
Stskeeps | which is funny | 12:26 |
Stskeeps | e2fsprogs lacking upgrade? | 12:26 |
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Sage_ | checking | 12:29 |
Sage_ | yes, quite a bit | 12:30 |
alien_ | Stskeeps: have you made any progress with that llvmpipe issue? | 12:31 |
Stskeeps | alien_: well, i wondered to work around it, using a GLX mcompositor instead | 12:31 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: did you change anything around livecd stuff? | 12:33 |
Stskeeps | as that breaks | 12:33 |
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* Stskeeps stops complaining and just writes his own image.. | 12:34 | |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: no, only change to there was the mkinitrd static dep removal | 12:35 |
Stskeeps | timoph: it is, very | 12:35 |
timoph | good | 12:35 |
timoph | Stskeeps: I'm thinking currently to simply write a new view to display the results in it. meaning no more xml transformations using webview | 12:36 |
Stskeeps | also possible | 12:37 |
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timoph | shouldn't require that much effort and can be done without having to patch test-definition first | 12:37 |
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Stskeeps | generally just something that's marketing friendly | 12:38 |
Stskeeps | and manager firdnly | 12:38 |
* timoph gets the point :) | 12:39 | |
timoph | but lets see how I end up solving that one. I'm still experimenting with the current stuff with the needed files installed locally | 12:40 |
Stskeeps | perhaps just package up the css ? | 12:40 |
timoph | I'm trying to avoid that | 12:41 |
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Stskeeps | ok | 12:41 |
timoph | but might not be possible to avoid it | 12:41 |
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timoph | like said, lets see | 12:41 |
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ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: is there howto on commands while in telnet to moslo thing? | 12:55 |
Stskeeps | no | 12:55 |
Stskeeps | it's busybox | 12:55 |
ZogG_laptop | so where can i get log of why alternative os fails? | 12:56 |
Stskeeps | try to boot it manually? | 12:56 |
Stskeeps | :P | 12:56 |
ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: if i knew how, that's why i want to read on howto or something | 12:56 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: https://review.merproject.org/#change,415 | 12:58 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: maybe should be accepted | 12:58 |
Sage_ | my comment is wrong so will change it | 12:58 |
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Stskeeps | i concur.. moment | 12:59 |
tanuk2 | Stskeeps, Sage_: I'd like to work on https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363 . A comment says "Need input from Carsten/Marko". | 13:03 |
Sage_ | I still fail to see the actual problem with systemd | 13:03 |
Sage_ | tanuk2: I'm not sure if that actually does really need input as such. However it needs also fixing modules that are in the Nemo side for example. | 13:04 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: he fsck program will now accept an optional filedescriptor argument | 13:05 |
Stskeeps | to the -C option. (The Fedora version of this patch would sometimes | 13:05 |
Stskeeps | cause fsck to ignore a parameter on fsck's command line in some rare | 13:05 |
Stskeeps | cases, sigh.) | 13:05 |
Stskeeps | .. | 13:05 |
Stskeeps | that was in 1.36 though | 13:05 |
Sage_ | tanuk2: and as said there it might not be accepted straight when you are done, but needs evaluation from many sides. But if you want to work on it you are welcome to do so :) | 13:05 |
Sage_ | any pulseaudio work is highly appreciated | 13:06 |
tanuk2 | I wonder what "done" means here. The closed modules can't be fixed, so I guess they will be dropped. | 13:07 |
Sage_ | tanuk2: if you can get n900 phonecalls and resource policy working with pulseaudio 2.0 and nemo I'm ready to buy you a beer :) | 13:08 |
Stskeeps | if possible, we would move that PA version to n900/n950/n9 specific.. | 13:08 |
Stskeeps | though i dont know how libpulse ABI functions | 13:08 |
Sage_ | I'm really willing to drop some of those as keeping with those means that we are stuck with old pulse version. | 13:08 |
ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: so what i need to read/check in order to boot from telnet? | 13:09 |
Sage_ | however, I can't recall what kind of things there were | 13:09 |
Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: go read old mer linuxrc scripts | 13:09 |
ZogG_laptop | and it's on wiki? | 13:09 |
Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: go find old mer sources | 13:10 |
Stskeeps | :P | 13:10 |
Stskeeps | bootmenu, etc | 13:10 |
ZogG_laptop | oh man =) | 13:10 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: mce.service looks to make systemd very upset, too | 13:10 |
Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: welcome to why linux OS developers are expensive | 13:10 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: you have log about that? | 13:11 |
* Sage_ starts nemo vm | 13:13 | |
Sage_ | did we have qemu guide for nemo vm boots already? | 13:13 |
tanuk2 | Sage_: I don't know how long I can work on Mer - maybe only until the end of next week. Do you have any input for a smaller task that would still be useful - maybe just get vanilla 2.1 packaged and running on N900, without support for phone calls and policy? | 13:14 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mcegah.png | 13:14 |
Stskeeps | that's a good start i think | 13:15 |
w00t | Stskeeps: that's session starting from systemd, or? | 13:16 |
Stskeeps | w00t: no, mce.service must be malconfigured | 13:16 |
Stskeeps | it went absolutely berserke | 13:16 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: well that shouldn't prevent boot | 13:16 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: it certainly stalls it when it does it every 1/2 second | 13:16 |
w00t | Stskeeps: put it another way.. is that systemd *attempting* to start user session ;) | 13:16 |
Stskeeps | no | 13:16 |
w00t | mmk | 13:17 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: ok, i see systemd-fsck issue too | 13:17 |
Stskeeps | still booting though | 13:17 |
Sage_ | installing the e2fsprogs and checking if the systemd-fsck error disappears needs to be tested. If it does then need to add proper dependency to systemd | 13:18 |
Stskeeps | yes | 13:19 |
Stskeeps | i'm doing that atm | 13:19 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: how did you boot the vm? The Nemo image doesn't do anything for me | 13:24 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: something has broken in livecd, so i'm using raw instead | 13:24 |
Sage_ | ah | 13:24 |
Stskeeps | ie, add /boot partition, then use VBoxManage to convert | 13:24 |
Sage_ | well, I think this livecd issue is the same that was in x86 adaptation when I tried to update udev long time ago | 13:24 |
Stskeeps | possibly | 13:24 |
Stskeeps | this is already in initrd though | 13:25 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: can you find out why /etc/mtab is not a symlink? | 13:28 |
Stskeeps | while we're at it | 13:28 |
ZogG_laptop | meh, i can't figure it out | 13:30 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: Do I read the tizen adaptation correctly. They have only kernel-adaptation-pc and syslinux and after that there is just systemd? | 13:31 |
Stskeeps | yes, afaik | 13:31 |
Stskeeps | check out my home project | 13:31 |
Stskeeps | there's a later kernel | 13:31 |
Stskeeps | liveusb/livecd is no longer used as well | 13:32 |
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phaeron | if your kernel has everything to access hd and mount rootfs , you don't need initrd , that how I run my mer kvm | 13:34 |
ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: can link me to what can help me? sorry for being annoying =\ | 13:35 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: well, the kernel is "trivial" thing but the boot order is what is interesting. | 13:35 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: bootloader -> kernel -> systemd makes sense.. | 13:35 |
Stskeeps | :P | 13:35 |
Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: don't try to take on hardware adaptation before you can hack small things in an OS | 13:35 |
ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: i'm just trying to figure out why my kernel boot fails | 13:36 |
lbt | Sage_: you mean no initrd? | 13:37 |
ZogG_laptop | i want ot see log or something | 13:37 |
ZogG_laptop | oh lbt is here =) | 13:37 |
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lbt | ZogG_laptop: sorry, busy with work today | 13:37 |
Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: sorry, we're not going to be doing your "homework" here.. you need to research and check web pages and other people's methods | 13:37 |
ZogG_laptop | lbt: ok | 13:37 |
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Stskeeps | Sage_: it's not e2fsprogs's fault | 13:49 |
Stskeeps | i think there's a genuine bug in systemd | 13:49 |
Stskeeps | -C5 vs -C 5 | 13:49 |
Stskeeps | Sage_: i think the 'not starting up' is due to mce, not e2fsprogs | 13:52 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: well, mce isn't mandatory for bootup so need to try without that | 13:52 |
Stskeeps | remove mce.service and try that on device perhaps | 13:53 |
Stskeeps | on n900 | 13:53 |
Sage_ | :nod: | 13:53 |
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Sage_ | removing the mce didn't make differenc | 13:56 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: checked from upstream if the patch is there already? | 13:56 |
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Stskeeps | it isn't | 13:57 |
Sage_ | oh | 13:57 |
phaeron | didn't systemd have it's own fsck implementation | 13:59 |
Stskeeps | no, it calls something | 14:00 |
phaeron | ok, I am pretty sure I remember having fun with systemd parsing fstab and doing things | 14:00 |
phaeron | anyway | 14:00 |
Stskeeps | yes | 14:00 |
Sage_ | lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 14 Jul 19 11:18 etc/mtab -> ../proc/mounts | 14:02 |
Stskeeps | uh | 14:02 |
Stskeeps | why doesn't mine then | 14:02 |
Sage_ | Stskeeps: on my N900 image mtab is link | 14:02 |
Sage_ | No idea | 14:02 |
Sage_ | can you chroot in and check rpm -qf /etc/mtab? | 14:04 |
Stskeeps | iti says it on first boot | 14:04 |
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Stskeeps | systemd.log_target=console systemd.log_level=debug on kernel cmdline | 14:08 |
Sage_ | well, I would like to get it to file not console | 14:09 |
Sage_ | as it is a) so fast and b) so much information that hard to get from console (I don't have JIG) | 14:10 |
lbt | netconsole | 14:10 |
lbt | (possible hack) | 14:10 |
Sage_ | also /etc/systemd/system.conf is there | 14:12 |
Sage_ | hmm... dbus... | 14:12 |
Sage_ | job boot.mount entered to failed state | 14:14 |
Stskeeps | well | 14:15 |
Stskeeps | i can say as much as today won't be mer release | 14:15 |
Sage_ | yes | 14:15 |
Sage_ | o_0 Failed to exec spawning /bin/plymouth | 14:16 |
* Sage_ check the systemd build log | 14:16 | |
Sage_ | plymouth: no | 14:17 |
Sage_ | so why it still tries... | 14:17 |
Stskeeps | i have to head to airport, will connect from there | 14:17 |
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fosstux | Hi! Will one of the mer related projects run on my Motorola Defy? | 14:30 |
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wmarone_ | fosstux: perhaps if you port it | 14:34 |
fosstux | wmarone_: thx | 14:35 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.22 assertion fail elf32-arm.c:12049 | 14:42 |
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Stskeeps | in systemd? | 14:48 |
Stskeeps | or glibc | 14:48 |
Sage_ | systemd build when I do it locally | 14:49 |
Sage_ | will retry with --clean | 14:49 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: ok, still the same with --clean against next | 14:54 |
Sage_ | need to try against latest | 14:54 |
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Sage_ | Stskeeps: happens in Mer CI as well | 15:09 |
Stskeeps | ok | 15:10 |
Stskeeps | it's not fatal afaik | 15:10 |
Stskeeps | webkit does same | 15:10 |
Sage_ | k | 15:10 |
Stskeeps | but file a bug anyway | 15:11 |
Sage_ | done | 15:13 |
Stskeeps | thanks | 15:13 |
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Sage_ | we really need tool that can be used to chroot inside an image. | 15:15 |
Sage_ | oh, mic chroot works :) | 15:18 |
phaeron | do I need to run testrunner-lite using eat-run-command or does it source the eat env itself | 15:21 |
Stskeeps | if using a user that is the session user it should source it itself when sshing in | 15:22 |
Sage_ | http://pastie.org/4284344 ? | 15:23 |
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phaeron | Stskeeps: but that's only when doing host based ? | 15:25 |
alterego | If I'm installing @MTF Handset UX but I want to leave out the meego-handset-dialer how do I do that? do I do -meego-handset-dialer in %packages section? | 15:25 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: correct | 15:25 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: when device .. ah good point | 15:25 |
phaeron | yeah .. and the env -i trick it is using masks the exit status of testrunner-lite afaics | 15:26 |
Stskeeps | that's more solveable | 15:27 |
Stskeeps | bug please | 15:27 |
Sage_ | alterego: yes | 15:30 |
alterego | Sage_: thanks | 15:33 |
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alterego | Have we updated pulseaudio recently? | 15:34 |
alterego | Like within the past week or so? | 15:34 |
alterego | or config .. | 15:35 |
Sage_ | well, in -next there is small patch to fix build against new udev but before that no. | 15:35 |
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jukkaeklund | hi, quick question allowed about Nemo since I got no response there? | 16:12 |
Stskeeps | sure | 16:14 |
Stskeeps | harmattan sdk, ideally qml with harmattan qml components | 16:15 |
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alterego | Can I get pulseaudio to log? | 16:28 |
alterego | It's crashing and I have no idea why .. | 16:29 |
Stskeeps | probably | 16:29 |
jukkaeklund | stskeeps, hold on harmattan sdk? isn't mainline qt sdk the same now? | 16:31 |
Stskeeps | ok | 16:32 |
Stskeeps | yes, that's what i meant | 16:32 |
Stskeeps | sorry, long day :) | 16:32 |
jukkaeklund | ok, good thanks | 16:32 |
ulf` | Hi jukkaeklund | 16:39 |
jukkaeklund | hi | 16:42 |
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alterego | New dialer is being built, should work for basic MO and MT calls. | 17:02 |
alterego | Also has a silence ring tone button .. | 17:02 |
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alterego | Here's the repo :) http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/tswindell:/branches:/Project:/MTF:/Tracker/CE_UX_MTF_armv7hl/ | 17:05 |
w00t | zypper -really- doesn't deal well with being killed | 17:08 |
w00t | by ctrl+c | 17:08 |
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timoph | evening | 17:40 |
Paimen | evening | 17:41 |
CosmoHill | hi | 17:41 |
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cristi | vgrade: ping | 18:32 |
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vgrade | cristi, \o | 18:37 |
cristi | you were working on raspberry pi, right? | 18:37 |
vgrade | yea I did some woek ages ago now | 18:38 |
cristi | Is there a reason why we use armv6l instead of other ABIs? | 18:38 |
cristi | I've seen debian has a hard-fload build recently | 18:38 |
vgrade | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi | 18:38 |
cristi | yes | 18:39 |
vgrade | I think armv6l is the processor type not the ABI | 18:39 |
cristi | ok | 18:41 |
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vgrade | Mer has armv7l (soft) and armv7hl (hard) ABI targets but only armv6l (soft) target AFAIK | 18:43 |
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cristi | I see | 18:44 |
w00t | mikhas: do you know if newer maliit would improve nemo kb performance? | 18:44 |
cristi | does this look familiar to anyone? http://pastebin.com/PYnggk53 | 18:48 |
cristi | I'm getting it while trying to build the raspberrypi kickstart | 18:48 |
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cristi | there's no /dev/loop102 block device file | 18:49 |
wmarone_ | I've seen that one before | 18:50 |
wmarone_ | where's the kickstart? | 18:50 |
cristi | in the same directory | 18:50 |
cristi | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi | 18:50 |
Paimen | not sure, but could it be same bug I ran when I was building exopc setup | 18:51 |
wmarone_ | trying to remember how I got around that | 18:51 |
Paimen | try sudo ln -s /proc/self/mounts /etc/mtab | 18:51 |
wmarone_ | it was a plague when building my W500 images | 18:51 |
cristi | seems to do the trick, thanks | 18:53 |
Paimen | cristi: np, good that it worked | 18:53 |
cristi | what should we do to get this fixed in the platform SDK? | 18:54 |
Paimen | iirc it will be fixed in next release | 18:54 |
cristi | great | 18:54 |
cristi | another question, how hard would it be to get support for armv6 hard float in mer? | 18:55 |
vgrade | one for Stskeeps but the design of Mer includes the ability to add new archs with less pain than with MeeGo | 19:00 |
vgrade | there was some talk about a SH4 port recently, check the IRC logs | 19:01 |
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vgrade | wmarone_, Paimen, looks still open, https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=240 | 19:03 |
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Paimen | vgrade: ah, that is something lbt could know better perhaps | 19:08 |
Paimen | as in comments of bug there is irc-log where he says that new SDK's should have /etc/mtab created by ks | 19:09 |
lbt | yeah, I'll see what causes it when I start SDK work | 19:10 |
vgrade | cristi, what version of sdk were you using? | 19:10 |
lbt | I'll also probably put a correction function into the script | 19:10 |
lbt | currently I'm being beaten savagely by ruby/boss packaging | 19:11 |
Paimen | good to know anyway | 19:12 |
Paimen | and I'm calling it a night for me, see you tomorrow, depending on weather it is either qt5 testing or cleaning up our yard | 19:12 |
lbt | :) | 19:13 |
vgrade | night | 19:13 |
lbt | we're going to see kittens \o/ | 19:13 |
Paimen | lbt: nice :) | 19:13 |
vgrade | aw | 19:13 |
lbt | hehe | 19:13 |
lbt | I need a source for homescreen backgrounds so ... | 19:14 |
vgrade | we have a 3 legged cat in the house here | 19:14 |
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lbt | well, we used to have 5 ... | 19:16 |
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vgrade | nightmare | 19:17 |
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Stskeeps | cristi: i made the first armv6 hardfloat port for rpi | 19:17 |
Paimen | well no kittens for us, we have 4 dog pack | 19:17 |
lbt | Paimen: ah .. not a good fit | 19:17 |
Paimen | altought sadly next week we need to put one dog down :( | 19:18 |
lbt | :/ | 19:18 |
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Stskeeps | cristi, theproblem with hardfp armv6 is no thumn | 19:19 |
Stskeeps | thumb | 19:19 |
cristi | back | 19:19 |
Stskeeps | thumb1 that is | 19:19 |
Stskeeps | cristi, prod me tomorrow sometime and i'll fill you in on details | 19:20 |
Stskeeps | bbl | 19:20 |
cristi | thanks | 19:20 |
cristi | Info: Finished. :D | 19:20 |
cristi | my rasPI build is ready | 19:20 |
Paimen | :) | 19:21 |
Paimen | but yeah off I go, cya peeps | 19:21 |
lbt | o/ | 19:21 |
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* timoph is still waiting for the QtonPi board | 19:23 | |
lbt | timoph: oh, they shipped 2 weeks ago ... *g* | 19:24 |
cristi | yeah, I've been waiting for almost 5 months before the pi arrived | 19:24 |
timoph | lbt: nope. just got an email stating that they should start shipping next week (again) | 19:25 |
lbt | yeah .... again | 19:25 |
timoph | iirc that's the 3rd "next week" | 19:25 |
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lbt | real shame how they treated the Qt people .. | 19:25 |
timoph | yep | 19:25 |
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timoph | to make up for it I ordered a "programming motherfucker" t-shirt :p | 19:27 |
dm8tbr | :D | 19:27 |
cristi | who is to blame for this? | 19:28 |
timoph | http://programming-motherfucker.com/ | 19:28 |
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vgrade | timoph, lbt especially now farnell and rs are taking orders for multiple boards now | 19:28 |
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lbt | and production is to ramp to 4000/day :) | 19:28 |
timoph | :) | 19:29 |
lbt | timoph: I should get them with Mer logos | 19:29 |
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dm8tbr | clearly handling 400 boards at so huge volumes is impossible. if it would be 40k qt-boards, sure, but 400, that's just too small a batch to handle *snerk* | 19:29 |
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timoph | I really hope they actually deliver this time around. Need a dut to work with mer stuff | 19:34 |
lbt | timoph: seen the GettingStarted pages for N900/N950/ExoPC etc | 19:34 |
timoph | :P | 19:34 |
timoph | s/dut/a new toy/ | 19:35 |
lbt | *g* ah.... | 19:35 |
timoph | but yeah. switched to using the gift lumia as my work phone so I can use the n950 for hacking | 19:36 |
* lbt sold it when it had some value | 19:37 | |
timoph | :) | 19:37 |
lbt | now can buy an N9 with proceeds | 19:37 |
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timoph | I have two n9s | 19:37 |
timoph | other is in use as my personal phone and niina is using the other | 19:38 |
* lbt is jealous | 19:38 | |
timoph | she didn't want the lumia :) | 19:38 |
lbt | mine keeps getting stuck on 'updating library' | 19:39 |
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rem | hi all | 19:59 |
rzr | hi | 20:00 |
Stskeeps | lo rem, welcome to #mer :) | 20:01 |
Stskeeps | rem: so what brings you here? | 20:01 |
rzr | what a cool anagram .. | 20:01 |
lbt | someone commented on us having a mer-itocracy recently :D | 20:02 |
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phaeron | timoph: what's the benefit thought ? | 20:05 |
phaeron | *though | 20:05 |
rem | hi, just wanted to create the mer image to the 950 but got confused with nemo mobile img, are they different ? | 20:06 |
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lbt | rem: do you mean 'mer' ? | 20:12 |
lbt | or nemo? | 20:13 |
lbt | rem: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started should help with 'plain Mer' (ie if you want to hack) - https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing and #nemomobile channel for the Nemo UI built on Mer | 20:15 |
rem | both, I read wiki quickly some how they look different images ? I need it for N950 and ExoPC | 20:15 |
timoph | phaeron: not sure anymore since we're getting a replacement for ots | 20:16 |
lbt | those links should help with both | 20:16 |
lbt | the N950 Mer 'demo UX' has some problems with Qt fragment shader code atm ... ExoPC is fine | 20:16 |
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timoph | timoph: the original motivation was to have better integration into ots | 20:17 |
timoph | hmmh | 20:17 |
rem | cool, so basically Mer for x86 and Nemo for N950 ? | 20:17 |
lbt | both for both | 20:17 |
timoph | talking to myself. clearly time to go to bed | 20:18 |
lbt | :) | 20:18 |
phaeron | timoph: ok we can discuss later :) | 20:18 |
timoph | yeah | 20:19 |
rem | lbt: thanks, I want to write some QML on top of Mer. So do you mean that Nemo is sample UX built on top of Mer I cannot hack ?? | 20:20 |
lbt | Nemo is a full blown mobile phone distro | 20:20 |
rzr | rem, what do u want to write ? apps ? | 20:20 |
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lbt | mer-not-a-ux is setup to permit you to replace and make your own device | 20:21 |
lbt | ie: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started is very minimal | 20:21 |
lbt | but does boot to wifi/ssh/Qt5+QML | 20:21 |
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Stskeeps | (device ui) | 20:21 |
lbt | yeah | 20:21 |
rzr | rem, nemomobile is what u neeed for exopc no ? i just shot a vid | 20:22 |
lbt | rem so rzr is asking the right question... do you want to write apps to run alongside a phone UI+browser etc.... or do you want to take over the device entirely? | 20:23 |
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diggy | hi all! | 20:25 |
rem | yes, good question. I want to write i | 20:25 |
rzr | i | 20:25 |
rzr | :) | 20:25 |
* rzr http://rzr.online.fr/q/mer# VideO of #RedaK LibrE TexT EditoR #Qt #QmL running on #MeeGo / #MeR / #NemoMobile on #LenovO #s103t x86 #TableT | 20:26 | |
diggy | I have N950 with dualboot using modified MOSLO, is it possible to reapply only harmattan firmware? | 20:26 |
rem | from the device HW, mainly need bluetooth, camera, gps, accelerometer but just to read | 20:26 |
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diggy | (without losing MOSLO and second OS)? | 20:27 |
rem | rzr: yes want to write the app on top of ready made platform, UX, and use the API for the controls | 20:27 |
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rzr | diggy, just reflash / | 20:29 |
rzr | ok | 20:29 |
rzr | errr | 20:30 |
diggy | rzr: I'm getting partition table mismatch | 20:30 |
diggy | (because of alt_os) | 20:30 |
jonni | diggy: extract ofc and only flash the main firmware bin without emmc | 20:31 |
diggy | rzr: I tried flasher -F img.bin -f | 20:31 |
diggy | failed on harmattan rootfs | 20:32 |
diggy | with the above message (partition table mismatch) | 20:33 |
jonni | try with --flash-only=rootfs | 20:33 |
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jonni | if that doesnt work, then you need full reflash and will lose alt_os | 20:33 |
diggy | jonni: | 20:35 |
diggy | mmc: Partition table mismatch (start=18464768, sum=10272768). You may want to use the no-preserve option or flash an erase image. | 20:35 |
diggy | mmc: Could not remove mount directory /tmp/sudmmcAOIHOf/mnt: No such file or directory | 20:35 |
diggy | I guess if I use no-preserve I'll lose alt_os rootfs | 20:35 |
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jonni | ah yes, then you need full reflash and will lose the alt_os. Or hacky way would be to use rescure kernel, and mount harmattan partiotion, and extrant rootfs from the firmware image, and copy the filesystem from the mount | 20:36 |
jonni | rescue kernel | 20:36 |
jonni | extract | 20:36 |
jonni | blaah, too many typoes today | 20:36 |
diggy | Actually I care more about my files in Harmattan than alt_os, got any pointer to a rescue kernel? | 20:37 |
jonni | diggy: http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state | 20:38 |
diggy | stupid me I'm on that page though missed that one completely :) | 20:38 |
rzr | this page should be duplicated to maemo's wiki too | 20:39 |
diggy | I'll try out and get back to you if I have any problems.. | 20:40 |
rzr | btw reming me what is the problem w/ sillyboot to boot alt os ? | 20:43 |
rzr | remind .. | 20:43 |
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diggy | bummer: rescue kernel does not boot!! | 21:01 |
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jonni | diggy: its not supposed to boot to UI, its only supposed to exposed the devices to be mounted. | 21:04 |
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diggy | hmm, even not that | 21:05 |
diggy | It stalls at warranty message | 21:05 |
diggy | fdisk -l shows no additional devices | 21:05 |
jonni | and you tried kernel+initrd like instructions says? | 21:06 |
diggy | flasher --load -k vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader -n initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n950 --boot | 21:06 |
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diggy | yeap with both flasher versions | 21:08 |
diggy | 3.11.5 and 3.12.1 (only first works) | 21:09 |
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diggy | I have Plasma Active One as alt_os but wifi doesn't work and so I can't copy my files :( | 21:11 |
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diggy | jonni: still no luck, flasher reports success but device stalls at warranty screen | 21:29 |
jonni | diggy: you need to remove dualboot/nemo first | 21:30 |
diggy | oh! | 21:30 |
jonni | if you doing full flash | 21:30 |
jonni | or were you still talking about rescue thingie | 21:30 |
diggy | the rescue thingie... | 21:30 |
jonni | I have too many chats open to follow | 21:30 |
diggy | no prob | 21:31 |
jonni | ohwell then initrd might be getting confused on changed partitions, so basicly you just need to delete everything and do full reflash if you want to go to normal | 21:31 |
diggy | I thought I had a chance to salvage my files first, well I'll just try it a little bit more before giving up.. | 21:32 |
jonni | didnt the dualboot screen also offer the mounting thingie if you have usb cable connected? | 21:33 |
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diggy | nope! | 21:35 |
diggy | if I connect usb it just mounts and telnet server (though not working) | 21:35 |
diggy | (mounts alt_os only ) | 21:35 |
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jonni | diggy: telnet should be working. Or just boot to nemo and mount in there? | 21:36 |
diggy | I thought of that but move my files even if I do so (btw I have Plasma one roots) | 21:37 |
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diggy | because usb connection is lost | 21:37 |
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diggy | something must have really crapped up everything when flashing MOSLO and alt_os rootfs | 21:38 |
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jonni | copy plasma rootfs to your linux, extract nemo to it instead? if nemo has working usb or wifi? :) | 21:39 |
diggy | good one !!! I'll try ASAP, thanks for the great idea! | 21:41 |
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CosmoHill | night night | 22:10 |
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