Tuesday, 2012-07-17

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tramtristnewb question time01:37
tramtristyou all ready?01:37
tramtristok01:38
tramtristdoes mer support the installation of maemo apps?01:38
tramtrist.deb files01:38
tramtristif so.. are libconic libraries supported?01:38
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tramtristbueller?01:44
wmarone_no, mer is entirely RPM01:48
wmarone_additionally, mer does not support GTK in the base platform01:49
tramtristok01:50
tramtristbased on redhat?01:50
wmarone_not based on redhat01:51
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tramtristthanks wmarone_01:53
tramtristi guess its back to square 101:53
tramtrist01:54
tramtrist01:54
tramtristetc01:54
tramtristi dont suppose anyone knows of a maemo port for the pi? :01:54
tramtrist:p01:54
wmarone_nope, maemo is going nowhere01:55
wmarone_I'm pretty sure someone has ported mer to the pi, though there's a lot of distributions available for the Pi01:55
tramtristyep iv got it running01:56
tramtriston mine01:56
tramtristmer that is01:56
tramtristall it does is show me a QT screen01:56
tramtristbefore i went any further with it i wanted ot know if it it worked with debian packages01:56
tramtristtheres an old maemo app i want to install01:57
wmarone_ah01:58
wmarone_that's guaranteed not to work01:58
wmarone_you'd need to recompile it for the older ARM arch01:58
wmarone_err01:58
wmarone_assuming you're referring to a package for the N900, I forget that maemo4 and earlier were ARMv6 too01:59
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tramtristN81002:00
tramtristactually02:00
wmarone_yeah, so no recompile02:00
wmarone_but still02:00
wmarone_no GTK will be your first step02:00
wmarone_might even have problems with libc02:00
tramtristya.. i actually got the app up and running on an arm debian distro02:00
tramtristbut it wont make network connection02:01
tramtristlibcon02:01
tramtristso i figured id try the 'succsessor'(?) to that platform.. mer02:01
tramtristbarking up the wrong tree i guess ;p02:01
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liclStskeeps:I try to implement my exa in fbdev.c and i rebuild it .but why does  it say "AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed" when it runs02:54
sonachStskeeps: this morning, I find there are a lot of Chinese news reporting about 'Jolla and 迪信通(D.Phone)', it is really influential :)02:54
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liclsonach:morning,sonach,could you help me?02:56
sonachlicl: What codes did you add to fbdev.c, can you pastie out?02:57
licl/* EXA init */02:57
liclxf86LoadSubModule(pScrn, "exa");02:57
licl/* TODO: This should depend on the AccelMethod option */02:57
liclfPtr->exa = exaDriverAlloc();02:57
liclif (HiExaInit(pScreen, fPtr->exa)) {02:57
liclexaDriverInit(pScreen, fPtr->exa);02:58
licl} else {02:58
liclfree(fPtr->exa);02:58
liclfPtr->exa = NULL;02:58
licl}02:58
Sage_lbt, Stskeeps: there is only one machine on Mer CI that builds qt?03:02
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E-PMorning03:19
ericcafternon03:26
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sonachericc: hi,03:31
sonachericc: are you using Mer to build something ?03:32
ericcin  centos 6   i  can`t insatll   mer03:32
sonachericc: ah, I know nothing about running Mer on X86 :P03:33
sonachI just run it on ARM,03:33
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dazungsomeone interested in bringing this http://www.diskohq.com/ into mer? i wonder how it will perform compared to nemo, since both based on qt and stuff.03:55
dazungit's running on archos 5 ti.... i didn't expect that.03:58
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StskeepsSage_: two worker instances04:03
Stskeepslicl: ignore the aiglx error04:03
ericcmer can  run  on04:06
ericc P76v(8G)?04:06
ericcurl  http://www.box-z.com/products/tao3c-500841.shtml04:07
Stskeepsericc: if you do a hardware adaptation for it and it matches with existing mer ports04:07
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kyyberimorn04:20
Stskeepsmorn kyyberi04:20
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Paimenmorning all04:24
Stskeepsmorn Paimen04:24
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E-Pmorning Paimen and kyyberi04:24
kyyberio/ E-P Paimen04:25
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Paimenmaybe stupid question, but how I get wget to SDK or is there something similar to use?04:34
Stskeepscurl -O works similarly04:34
Stskeepsand not so stupid a question, file a bug on it04:35
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Stskeepshello miiigo04:40
miiigohello Stskeeps :)04:41
Stskeepsmiiigo: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?04:41
miiigoi have dualbooted my n950 with nemo04:42
miiigobut moslo has a boring text message04:42
miiigoso wanted to play around with it04:42
miiigoi have made a few modifications, but dont know how to convert it to a fiasco image04:43
Stskeepsok, so i guess you can take moslo source code, branch and build a new one04:43
Stskeepsi don't think you need a fiasco image for moslo04:43
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miiigooh... how do i convert it to a flashable binary then?04:43
Stskeepswell, it's not my understanding that you need moslo within a fiasco to flash it04:44
miiigoi had flashed moslo using the guide here - http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N95004:44
miiigoand under moslo bootloader section, they mentioned "Current moslo fiasco image for N950 is moslo-rootfs-1.2011.34-2_RM680-OEM1-916_0.0.13-12.1.bin"... so i guessed that we had to generate a moslo fiasco image04:46
Sage_Stskeeps: well, it seems to take long for the current things in review and I guess it is because of qt04:46
StskeepsSage_: ok, we'll dedicate 2/5'th of every worker i think04:47
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Paimenlbt: you awake already?04:48
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PaimenStskeeps: is there any guidelines to follow when filing bug for wget04:50
* lpotter wonders what exactly mer core consists of04:52
E-PPaimen: I think you should file a task bug to Mer Integration tools and to SDK component04:53
E-Pif you want to have it only in SDK04:53
Stskeepslpotter: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb04:54
Stskeepsand systems around it, sdk04:54
lpotterahh. exactly what I was looking for, thanks04:54
PaimenE-P: ok, just wodering if you have some guidelines how you want bugs filled04:55
Stskeepslpotter: look at mer/project-core packages.xml and it gives a pretty accurate view04:55
Sage_Paimen: bug about wget?04:55
PaimenSage_: I complained that it is not in SDK and Stskeeps told to file bug04:56
Sage_I think we should make a collection of commands that people are used to use to which we have replacements.04:56
Sage_alias wget='curl -O' :)04:56
Stskeepswget should just go in :P04:56
Sage_Stskeeps: well I though so as well, but now I'm used to use curl instead.04:56
miiigoStskeeps: is there any documentation or wiki page for moslo available?04:57
PaimenSage_: I managed to get things done with curl, but well you can fight over it04:57
Paimenwas just following lbt instructions and he seems to use wget04:57
Stskeepsmiiigo: that's the wiki page04:57
StskeepsSage_: it's still in my muscle memory after several months, so it's not going away04:57
Sage_Stskeeps: make that alias ;)04:58
miiigooh... that's very less informative... :(04:58
Sage_anyway, I still would say no to wget and yes to busybox :)04:58
PaimenSage_: could you tell how to do04:58
Sage_Paimen: how to do what?04:58
Paimenthis: wget http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sage:/mer:/ruby/Mer_Core_i586/home%3asage%3amer%3aruby.repo -P /etc/zypp/repos.d/04:58
Paimenwith curl04:58
Paimenit complained about url and messed repo name04:59
Sage_:)04:59
PaimenI managed to dl it to current folder and rename, but just to know how to do it04:59
Sage_Paimen: sudo zypper ar http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sage:/mer:/ruby/Mer_Core_i586/home%3asage%3amer%3aruby.repo ruby04:59
PaimenSage_: grah, thats it05:00
Paimenthanks05:00
Sage_eh sry05:00
Sage_Paimen: sudo zypper ar http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sage:/mer:/ruby/Mer_Core_i586/ ruby05:00
Sage_didn't think :)05:00
Sage_the last thing there is reponame used as /etc/zypp/<reponame>.repo05:01
Paimenyup05:01
PaimenI have used zypper before, but wrong side of caffein and did it in hard way by manually copying05:02
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Sage_live and learn ;)05:02
Paimenhmm05:04
Paimenruby complains that I need libcrypto.so.1005:04
Paimenbut zypper what-provides gives me:05:04
PaimenS | Name    | Type    | Version    | Arch | Repository05:04
Paimen--+---------+---------+------------+------+-----------05:04
Paimeni | openssl | package | 1.0.0g-1.2 | i486 | mer-core05:04
Sage_Paimen: bug05:05
Sage_Paimen: existing bug :)05:05
Paimen:)05:05
Sage_known feature ;05:05
Sage_;)05:05
* Stskeeps pokes obs to build faster05:05
Paimenok, some way to g around05:05
Sage_https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=openssl&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Ai58605:05
Sage_that contains the fix IIRC05:06
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Sage_Stskeeps: I think this really should go in as well http://review.merproject.org/#change,63605:11
StskeepsSage_: yes, but after this build05:11
Paimenhmm05:12
PaimenInstalling: ca-certificates-2011.80-1.17 [error]05:12
PaimenInstallation of ca-certificates-2011.80-1.17 failed:05:12
Paimen(with --nodeps --force) Error: Subprocess failed. Error: RPM failed: error: unpacking of archive failed on file /etc/ssl/certs: cpio: rename failed - Is a directory05:12
Paimenerror: ca-certificates-2011.80-1.17.noarch: install failed05:13
Stskeepsyes, also known bug..05:13
Stskeepswhich is fixed, just in next release..05:13
Stskeeps:P05:13
Sage_Paimen: the openssl from that repo above fixed libcyprto bug didn't fix that one?05:13
PaimenSage_: I'm trying to install openssl05:13
Paimen sudo zypper in openssl-libs-1.0.1c-20.1.i586.rpm05:13
PaimenStskeeps: no worries I'm used to bang my head against bugs05:14
PaimenI have tendency to find them05:14
Sage_hmmp....05:14
Sage_I though we had ca-certs version 2012.x already05:15
Sage_yes, we have05:16
* Sage_ needs to install clean old mer sdk and start testing that ca-certificate problem05:19
AardStskeeps: wasn't that 'is a directory' thing just a sdk problem, because lbt thought it's a good idea to copy over certificates from his host system?05:22
Stskeepsmaybe05:22
Paimenany way around it?05:28
Stskeepsmv /etc/ssl/certs /etc/ssl/certs-goaway05:28
Paimenthanks05:29
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PaimenSage_: ok I got tdriver stuff installed, I was thinking I just try it out and test something we have running on steelrat, because I do not have device that runs mer, or actually my wetab runs mer, but it does not connect to wlan or eth05:37
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Paimendamn monday again05:45
Paimenmy Iconia is not booting05:45
Paimenoh well not completely brick, android works05:46
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PaimenNote to self, booting from SD-card works better if card is not empty05:58
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Sage_:)06:00
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rakl_Stskeeps: hi, i have modified the moslo, i want to build it and generate the binaries to flash n950. how do i do it?06:02
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miiigorakl_: ^^ i want to know it too :)06:10
PaimenSage_: ok at least I can run simple scripts with MerSdk Tdriver06:17
Paimensetup is MerSdk ->usb -> Iconia running Steelrat(based MeeGo 1.2)06:18
Paimenproblem is that steelrat uses QtQuick 2.0, so mer tdriver does not support Scenegraph objects so making app run is all I can do if I do not add sut plugin with scenegraph descriptions06:19
timophmorning06:19
* timoph got most of tr-ui's setting views rewritten yesterday06:21
Paimendamn my sentences are awfull today, jussi must be horrified how I write06:21
timophalso doing a bit of rearranging there06:21
E-Ptimoph: pics? :)06:22
timophE-P: wait a bit. I'll do a couple of changes first06:22
jussiPaimen: Im always horrified by you.. :P06:23
timophthe main change is that I put connectivity/proxy settings in it's own tab06:23
timophistead of launching another dialog from the settings dialog06:23
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timophseemed like a bit of a bad design to me06:24
E-Psounds like that06:24
timophalso making the application support translations06:25
timophfor some reason the user visible strings are not using tr() in it06:25
E-Pgood feature to add06:26
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timophI might change the default strings in the code into engineering englishg and so english traslation for it so it's easy for other people to add translations06:27
timophbut not doing that now06:27
timophmaybe later06:27
dm8tbren-EE, the locale that brought us "Your application sucks!"06:28
timoph:D06:28
timophen-EE is a good opportunity to add some funny stuff into a application :)06:29
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timophE-P: here's a pic of the current version http://timoph.fi/kuvei/tr-ui-teaser.png :p06:39
Sage_Paimen: nice. Good that the stuff works.06:40
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Sage_lbt: any review status for the ruby stuff btw? https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5204 Just wondering when it is available for mer sdk without adding my home repo06:46
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PaimenSage_: well I added Scenegraph to sut_qt and it seems that it is working nicely, I can run apps and tap to screen etc06:54
Stskeepscool06:54
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PaimenSage_: basically it is just changing line 25 @ lib/testability-driver-plugins/testability-driver-qt-sut-plugin/commands/widget.rb06:58
PaimenVALID_OBJECT_TYPES = [ nil, :Standard, :Graphics, :Application, :Action, :Web, :SceneGraph ] unless defined?( VALID_OBJECT_TYPES )06:58
Paimenyou can see the change if you compare sut_qt master to qt5 branch06:59
lbtSage_: I'm doing BOSS at the moment, Ruby is straight after that07:00
Paimenbut well ofc that is not enough, because you need to merge changes to qttas part too07:01
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PaimenE-P and Sage_ I have some bad news for you, it was like i remembered, agent_qt qt5 branch has QSG<component> naming used not new QQuick<component> scheme07:17
Paimenso in order to enable QtQuick 2.0 testing it needs to be fixed07:18
chouchounehello07:18
Paimenalso not sure how much more changes have been done to qt5 since last contribution to qt5 branch07:18
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tanuk2lbt: Can you give me access to meego community obs? My meego.com account name is tanuk2.07:41
lbttanuk2: done - have fun :)07:47
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tanuk2lbt: Thank you!07:48
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lbtmorning mdfe_08:23
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Stskeepslbt: things still building in OBS08:30
lbtI'm not really watching - on boss/gbp/ruby stuff locally08:30
lbtany issues?08:30
Stskeepsi feel like things are slower for some reason08:30
Stskeepsnot obvious ones08:30
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lbtlive log isn't working08:34
lbtor maybe it's just too fast08:35
Stskeepsor overloaded, also possible08:35
lbtno, I just got one for 586 systemd08:35
lbtit does feel slow08:35
lbtlooking at kvm cpu allocation08:35
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lbtphost6 is not actually building08:37
Stskeepsthat probably doesn't help either08:38
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lbtincredibly high latency too - I think the openvpn stuff may need a rethink :/08:41
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Stskeepslbt, check obs cache08:45
Stskeepson worker08:45
lbtlooking at "either the kvm kernel-module is not loaded or kvm is not installed or hardware virtualization is deactivated in the BIOS." first :)08:47
timophE-P: http://timoph.fi/trui-rewrite/08:47
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smokumorn'08:49
lbtmorning08:49
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smokudoes anyone know whether the repos with meego touch ux are still available anywhere?08:50
suviola_lbt: Can you give me access to meego community obs? My meego.com account name is suviola08:52
lbtsuviola_: I did that a couple of days ago :)08:53
smokus/touch/tablet/08:53
lbtsuviola_: or maybe yesterday - no timestamps :)08:54
suviola_lbt, oh, didn't know.08:54
lbtnp - it's done anyhow08:55
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mdfe_good morning all09:04
Paimenmorning09:04
lbtStskeeps: it was missing a modprobe kvm-intel and there was a typo in the kernel filename in the config09:08
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lbtthe cache keeps getting cleared09:16
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PaimenSage_: is there something specific I should look for tdriver?09:18
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tanuk2What to do when "osc build" fails with "buildinfo is broken... it says: unresolvable: nothing provides pkgconfig(speexdsp), nothing provides pkgconfig(xextproto), ..."?09:31
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tanuk2Do I need to install packages in the sdk, or something else?09:31
tanuk2(I have never built anything in the mer sdk - this was my first attempt)09:32
alteregotanuk2: found out what packages provide those dependencies and update your .spec file.09:34
tanuk2alterego: I don't think the problem is in the .spec file. Those missing dependencies are already listed in the .spec file, and the package source is from official mer, unmodified.09:37
Bostikzypper install 'pkgconfig(FOO)' in sdk then?09:38
Bostikoh sorry, it's osc build09:39
Bostiknever mind me09:39
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tanuk2Is "osc build" supposed to download the build dependencies automatically?09:52
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vgrade_morning09:55
ericcmorning09:59
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Sage_Paimen: I don't have anything in my mind atm. My main goal so far was to get it packaged properly and working :)10:02
Paimenok10:03
Paimenwell it works at least on SDK side10:03
vgrade_do any of you OBS maintainers have any monitoring tools looking at your OBS servers?10:03
Stskeepsvgrade_: dm8tbr is good10:05
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vgrade_Stskeeps: cheers, I'll catch him10:06
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tanuk2Stskeeps: I'm following https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail , and the last step of the "Branch the package to work on it" is failing: "osc build armv7hl" isn't finding any build dependencies. Can you help?10:09
tanuk2Instead of systemd, I'm trying to build pulseaudio, and instead of i586, I'm trying to build armv7hl packages.10:09
Stskeepstanuk2: osc build armv8el10:09
Stskeepsnot very logic, agreed10:10
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lbttanuk2: yes it is10:10
lbterp10:10
lbttanuk2: yes it is supposed to download build deps automatically10:11
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tanuk2Hmm, should I replace "i486" in the examples with "armv7hl" and "i586" with "armv8el"?10:11
lbtyes10:11
dm8tbrvgrade_: aye!10:12
lbttanuk2: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_architecture_naming10:12
vgrade_dm8tbr: I was looking for some best practice in the area of OBS monitoring10:13
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tanuk2lbt: Thanks!10:13
lbttanuk2: no prob - we need a page on osc build too ...10:14
dm8tbrvgrade_: k, I only stole lbt's one-liner and made it into a monitoring script for the meego core obs issue10:18
lbtwasn't that mainly remote link stuff?10:18
vgrade_dm8tbr: any specific tool10:18
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dm8tbrlbt: it monitors essentially an underlying system. IIRC source service. Through a certain symptom.10:20
dm8tbrthe nice thing is: it works without any credentials10:20
* dm8tbr is reminded. goes to his icinga. checks core obs availability. gets a bucket and pukes his lunch right back into it10:21
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lbtlessee the graphs10:22
dm8tbrlet me dump the graph10:22
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tanuk2lbt: Am I right in that the example at https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_architecture_naming is outdated: instead of <repository name="Mer_i486"> it should be <repository name="Mer_Core_i486"> and instead of <path project="Mer:Trunk:Base" repository="Mer_i486"/> it should be <path project="Mer.MDS:Core:i486" repository="Mer_i486"/> ?10:26
lbthmmm10:26
lbtthose are a bit confusing - that's the internal CI system setup - not what you'd use for c.obs10:27
dm8tbrlbt: http://isobsdown.bfst.de/core-obs-ytd-2012-07-17.png10:27
lbtwhich is silly10:27
lbtdm8tbr: *g*10:27
lbtvgrade_: ^^^ why you don't want remote links10:28
dm8tbrlbt: it's not necessarily remote links, it's more a system left bit-rotting for >1y without anyone willing to address core operational issues10:28
lbtwell, true10:29
dm8tbrcobs allows remote links and doesn't have those issues at all10:29
vgrade_lbt, I was looking for best practice in monitoring and OBS10:29
lbttrue10:29
dm8tbrvgrade_: is that an internal or public obs?10:30
lbtvgrade_: OK, would be interested in anything you're doing there10:30
vgrade_internal10:30
vgrade_lbt, I'm not doing anything yet, just looking for any examples10:30
dm8tbrk, then this very particular check is most likely not relevant for you. but if you ever run into such problems the icinga/nagios script is there.10:30
dm8tbrthe link to the source is on one of the mailing lists10:31
dm8tbrand in the epic bug on meego obs being b0rken10:31
vgrade_dm8tbr: icinga/nagios is the sort of info I'm looking for10:31
lbttanuk2: does :        osc build armv8el *.spec       work for you10:31
dm8tbrvgrade_: I'm generally happy with it, yes. Zabbix seemt to be another OSS alternative10:32
vgrade_dm8tbr: I need it to work in a 99% windows environment10:32
lbtvgrade_: web based10:34
lbticinga is the "boring but works" choice10:34
dm8tbrand monitoring win services is also possible10:34
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dm8tbrirc and XMPP status bots are available10:35
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vgrade_lbt, dm8tbr thanks, I'll take a look at those10:35
dm8tbron the other hand I'm sure you can buy something enterprisey from HP or the likes10:35
tanuk2lbt: I'll try soon... One question: sometimes the examples use "osc build i586" and sometimes "osc build i586 *.spec". What's the difference?10:36
lbtvgrade_: can you work on the Mer wiki ?10:36
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vgrade_lbt?10:36
lbttanuk2: not a lot .... osc build --help10:36
lbtvgrade_: as you produce info on best practice for operational monitoring of systems like OBS10:36
lbtI'd like to put that on the Mer wiki as part of vendor support10:37
dm8tbrlbt: is there a page for that? I might dig out the details on my stuff later and add it10:37
lbtdm8tbr: not yet :)10:37
vgrade_lbt, sure, if it does not involve some m$ tools which I'm expecting will be used internally here10:38
lbttanuk2: please verify   https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail#Build for me :)10:38
lbtvgrade_: thanks10:38
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vgrade_lbt, do you have anything set up on mer infra re monitoring ?10:39
tanuk2lbt: Will do :)10:39
lbtvgrade_: not publically - I use icigna internall - details are kinda sensitive (eg alert for missing security patch)10:40
dm8tbrbtw: munin is also nice to track operational parameters of systems and can be made to tie into icinga IIRC10:41
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vgrade_thanks10:42
lbtI could publish many configs though10:42
timophsigh10:44
timophwork laptop had crashed while at lunch10:44
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tanuk2lbt: "osc build armv8el *.spec" failed:10:47
tanuk2Verifying integrity of cached packages10:47
tanuk2BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys10:48
lbtosc repos?10:48
tanuk2Mer_Core_armv7hl  armv8el10:48
lbtosc build Mer_Core_armv7hl  armv8el *.spec10:48
tanuk2lbt: Same error.10:49
lbtis this inside the SDK ?10:49
tanuk2Yes.10:50
vgrade_--noverify10:50
vgrade_--nogpg10:50
lbtI think --no-verify with a -   ?10:50
* lbt will move signing and keys etc up the prio list10:51
tanuk2"with a -"?10:51
tanuk2Ah, got it.10:52
lbtyeah10:52
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alteregoDamn internet is down10:52
lbtdamn internet10:52
ericcme  too10:55
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alteregoAnd N9 doesn't want to tether.10:56
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tanuk2lbt: The build failed, but that's not a problem with the instructions. Some of the pulseaudio patches are empty for some reason...11:00
lbtodd - that's supposed to build11:00
lbtwell, a clean checkout should build11:01
tanuk2Yeah, I don't know what caused the files to be truncated. I'll try to fix it...11:01
lbtta - that's a problem if it doesn't build for you11:05
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tanuk2lbt: Now it built successfully :) I wonder if "osc co" is lacking some error checking, since I don't think three random patches could end up truncated otherwise... There were no errors in the "osc co" output. The files are fine now after doing the checkout again.11:19
Stskeepsobs api is brokenish at times11:23
Stskeeps0 length responses11:23
tanuk2Well that explains it then...11:27
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lbtinteresting though - the git clone part should have gotten them11:39
tanuk2lbt: I didn't go that far at that point.11:40
lbtok11:40
tanuk2I was still in (the end of) "Branch the package to work on it".11:41
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tanuk2lbt: What is the "osc chroot" command useful for? Why would I want to use it in the cycle after each "osc build" invocation?11:46
lbtit drops you into the build environment11:46
lbtyou could hack on the code, run make, and fix any compile issues11:47
lbtthen take the changes -> git, rebuild tarball and verify a clean build11:47
lbtwe're looking to make this smoother11:47
tanuk2Ok, that sounds useful.11:50
tanuk2lbt: I have now gone through the rest of the steps in the "Build" section. No problems.11:53
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lbttanuk2: good to hear12:12
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ericccls12:25
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alteregoStskeeps: new mega machine: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/photos/12070011.jpg12:27
Jopeyou don't have kids/pets I see :-D12:27
alteregoHeh12:28
alteregoI have a girlfriend, who's sort of like both :P12:28
alteregoI like how ubuntu booted straight up, didn't care that it was a completely different motherboard, graphics, memory, etc, etc.12:29
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alteregoLike to see windows do that ..12:29
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lbtalterego: I can recommend : http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/powersupplies/nov-psg400.html12:35
alteregonice, but you see that rig and you think power supply and not case? :P12:36
lbtwho needs a case?12:36
alterego:)12:36
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lbtbut Lian Li aluminium .. always!12:37
Jopesilent, modular and only 33 quid12:37
JopeI wonder if you can buy those if you don't live in the uk12:37
alteregoSounds good.12:37
JopeEi hakutuloksia. says the local "we have nothing in stock" retailer12:38
alteregoIs 400W good enough, that one is 500W but it's actually taken from my reprap12:38
lbtJope: yep I replaced a Hyper (?) recently with them - nice + quiet12:38
lbtalterego: 400 is plenty12:38
Jopeseeing that you have two disks and not much more, you could get away with 350W12:38
lbtsingle, non-gaming gpu too12:38
alteregoYeah12:38
alteregoI do have a _lot_ of USB peripherals though ..12:38
lbt*g* is one a kettle?12:39
alteregoHeh, no12:39
lbtok ... off for a bit ... bbl8r12:39
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alteregociao12:40
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alteregoRight, time to image this install and format the drives for RAID012:42
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Sage_alterego: raid0??12:51
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smokulbt_away: a'propos "osc chroot" - any hint how to drop any editor to the chroot?  editing files via more and sed is kind of fun, but... ;-)12:53
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PaimenE-P: do you have something in your mind that I could do to tdriver and mer13:03
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E-PPaimen: I am in a train and the internet connection is quite unstable13:11
PaimenE-P: no worries we can talk later13:11
E-PPaimen: anyhow, one important task is to test tdriver and Qt513:11
E-PPaimen: I have lots of time :)13:12
Paimenwell, for basic Qt I think it should work at least with some merging from qt5 branch13:12
Paimenbut qtquick 2.0 needs some rewriting of code13:12
E-Pok, could you file a task / bug about that?13:13
Paimenas qt 5.0 branch of agent_qt has those old SG<component> naming conventions instead of QQuick<component>13:13
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E-Pif the tools are working then it is "just" writing tests for qt :)13:14
PaimenE-P: you do not have Testability driver component yet in bugzilla?13:14
E-PPaimen: no, you can filed it under others for now13:15
E-Pperformance/benchmarking is interesting testing area13:15
Paimenshould there be task for merging qt5 branch to agent_qt and another for qtquick 2.0 implementation13:16
PaimenE-P: it is indeed13:16
alteregoSage_: yeah, I've got a backup system that uses RAID1, want this machine for speed not data security :)13:16
E-PPaimen: you can create two bugs for tdriver13:19
E-Pqt has lots of own unit and performance tests which can be used for13:19
E-PPaimen: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34813:24
Sage_alterego: SSD?13:24
E-PPaimen: not directly to TDriver13:24
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PaimenE-P: found that bug and had a glance also there is that one bug related to GlMemPerf13:40
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alteregoSage_: no, maybe one day when I can justify the cost ..13:49
* Stskeeps pokes obs with a stick13:49
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MilhouseWAC disappers into GSMA: Presumably this isn't good news for Tizen... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/17/wac_gsma/14:04
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StskeepsMilhouse: tizen didn't advertise WAC for a while14:12
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MilhouseSo they dropped it?14:13
Milhousealready14:13
Stskeepsor realised they couldn't use their documentation or trademark, or somehing..14:13
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MilhouseAre they still using BONDI and JIL?14:13
PaimenE-P: bugs 439 and 44014:13
MilhouseBONDI, which hasn't been updated in over 2 years...14:14
Paimenis there something more I should add to those?14:14
StskeepsMilhouse: w3c widget or something.. :P14:14
MilhouseTizen is becoming less and less appealing with every passing day... :)14:14
Stskeepstell me about it..14:14
Milhouse(not that it appealed much in the first place!)14:14
MilhouseAh well, thanks f*ck for Mer and Jolla...14:15
Milhouses/thanks/thank/14:15
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E-PPaimen: those are good, thanks!14:49
Paimengood14:50
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Sage_lbt_away: http://pastie.org/4272301 NOOOO :D15:25
Sage_lbt_away: the ownership of that file is not valid anymore after you do that thus ca-certificates installation fails15:26
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lbtSage_: I know ... that's what clashes - the point was to ensure certificate consistency between the SDK and the host15:49
lbteg I have imported Mer master cert; others will have a corporate SSL proxy cert15:50
lbtthat will now need to be installed in every new SDK ... not fun15:50
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lbtAard: ^^ you complained too -this is the rationale - I wanted same certs in SDK as in host is all15:51
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* shanxS sometimes MatLab to C coversion is such pita16:57
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PaimenStskeeps: do not start that here17:11
Stskeepssorry17:11
Stskeeps:p17:11
Paimentoo late, I started yawning17:12
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rzrhi17:14
Stskeepshi17:14
rzrdonno if you noticed but i am trying to upload redak to ce17:14
rzrhttps://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/522217:14
Sage_lbt: anyway that needs to go to get sdk updates working. ;/17:14
rzris it the correct workflow ?17:14
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Sage_rzr: yes, will be commenting about that17:20
* Sage_ would like to see gerrit review system in Nemo as well :/17:20
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Sage_At first gerrit seemed messy, but after using it a while it seems actually quite nice17:21
rzrso what is my next step now ?17:21
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Sage_rzr: wait until someone reviews it and you get mail about the result (basically it is me reviewing it)17:23
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rzrok ill stay arround and test it on my s103t17:23
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Stskeepslbt: i don't understand why phost4 always drifts so much17:25
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Aardlbt: what you want, and what the rest of the world wants is different17:42
Stskeepsnow that's a bit odd way of saying it..17:45
Aardhow would you phrase it?17:46
Stskeepsi think the /etc/ssl/certs symlink is a bit awkward in the first place17:46
Aardyes17:46
Aardit should be a directory17:46
Aardstill, copying the certs over when we have an (admittedly broken) ca-certs package for everyone is bad17:47
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Stskeepswell, let's see it the other way17:50
Stskeepscopying in /etc/pki/certs would be k17:50
chouchounegood evening17:50
Stskeepsok17:50
Stskeepsthough17:50
Aardno, copying stuff provided by a package is stupid17:50
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Stskeepsto some degree yes, but /etc/pki/certs is supposed to be for the user's trusted certificates17:52
Stskeepsas well17:52
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louisdkIs there a chance that Mer could be used at a stable replacement OS on N9/950 og is this an utopian dream?17:55
Stskeepssadly kind of utopian17:55
Stskeepsthe hw adaptation work stalled sometime after feb1117:55
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chouchouneStskeeps: did you look at the bug I CCed to you, at least to see if you have sufficient informations to decide later ?17:56
louisdkIt's sad that the bootloader is locked.17:57
Stskeepsit's not totally locked17:58
louisdkBut you can only boot OS'ed based upon the Harmattan-kernel right? That's they Ditdroid can be booted - recompiled for the Harmattan Linux kernel right?17:59
Stskeepsnah18:01
Stskeepsyou can boot other kernels too18:01
Stskeepswith a warranty void thing18:01
Stskeepschouchoune: yes18:01
Stskeepschouchoune: sorry, a lot of mails piling up when you dont sit in front of the computer all day..18:01
chouchouneStskeeps: yes, I know the situation ;)18:01
louisdkYou don't need a Nokia-signed certificate?18:01
Stskeepslouisdk: nop18:02
chouchounejust pesting you as you told me to do ;)18:02
chouchouneStskeeps: so, do you need more informations ? ;)18:02
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Stskeepschouchoune: nop im good18:04
chouchounegreat18:06
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rzrSage_, please hold it's not as it should :)18:09
Sage_rzr: well, it needs cleanup anyway18:10
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Sage_rzr: you should remove %clean section and the %changes from .spec as well as BuildRoot18:10
Sage_rzr: didn't check throughly yet though, but gave a quick look18:10
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rzrk thx18:11
Stskeepso/ vgrade18:15
E-PSage_: I packaged the mwts-telepathy https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=mwts-telepathy&project=home%3Aesmietti%3AQA%3ATests%3AMW18:17
E-PSage_: I haven't tested that, there is mwts-telepathy-tests-cli package which should contain mwts-telepathy-cli executable18:18
E-Pnow I am off, untill tomorrow o/18:18
Stskeepsseeyou18:18
Sage_E-P: nice18:19
* Stskeeps glares at 230 people in here18:19
chouchounewow, 230 !18:19
StskeepsSage_: so far things look good with everything merged18:19
vgradeStskeeps, evening18:20
StskeepsSage_: waiting for qtwebkit to finish and i think we're good for prerelease18:20
Sage_oh that sounds good18:21
alteregoI wonder if I could get Visual Studio to run under wine18:22
* Stskeeps wonders why alterego wants to use VS in the first place..18:22
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alteregoTo develop for windows phone obviously!18:28
* Stskeeps gets out the straightjacket18:28
alteregoHoudini!18:33
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timophevening18:44
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Stskeepsevening timoph o/18:46
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timophdidn't manage work much on tr-ui today. my work laptop disagreed with my and spent the afternoon making it dual boot linux :)18:48
timophanyway, it seems there's a bit more work to be done on it than I originally thought18:48
Stskeepstimoph: you also worked on HAT, right?18:49
timophStskeeps: didn't really work on it but used it quite a lot18:51
Stskeepsok18:51
timophworked on configurations using it18:51
Stskeepsi just recall some video on hat so18:51
timophI wonder if they still make those18:51
timophiirc it's a small tampere based company that made those18:52
timophuseful little box18:52
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PaimenHAT should be in-production18:56
Paimenwe were thinking of buying one of those, but never got permission18:57
w00tStskeeps: sooo... just tossing up the question, but... how do we handle patches to Qt (I presume general rule is: ok, provided they're upstreamedish - i.e. backports) - but what about if, for instance, we need to break ABI in order to get a good win?18:59
w00tgiven that other people might be relying on that not happening, I don't think we can safely do that19:00
w00tinput welcome™?19:00
Stskeepsit depends on the gains19:01
timophI just hope Qt in Mer doesn't turn into a franken build like Harmattan had in the beginning19:01
w00ttimoph: if you mean Qt in particular, I won't let that happen19:01
w00tI contribute upstream (a lot), soo, I have a vested interest in minimising the insanity19:02
timophgood19:02
timophI'm wondering about possible reasons that could lead into breaking the abi19:03
w00t5.0 has a lot of changes that provide large performance increases across the board that would be very appealing to people doing products with 4.x19:04
w00tnot all of those are ABI-compatible19:04
timophah19:04
w00tfor instance, QMap was rewritten to not be a skiplist anymore19:04
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timophis there a plan to backport abi compatible changes from 5.0 to 4.x?19:05
w00tother than my idly musing about it this evening, not really19:05
w00tand upstream, definitely not19:05
w00tthere, being conservative is the norm19:05
w00tpatch releases are fairly strict on what sort of stuff can go into them... if there was a 4.9, it might be different19:06
w00tbut I doubt that will happen19:06
timophyep and I'd guess they'd prefer seeing people upgrading to 5.0 instead of extending 4.x's life19:07
w00twelll :)19:09
w00tthe roadmap gets set by the people willing to do the work19:09
w00tbut e.g. it seems that digia are quite comfortable with 4.819:09
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Bostiktimoph: if I can have anything to do or say, Qt will *not* turn into a frankenstein's monster - having battled with harmattan's Qt and the blackbox dependencies...19:22
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Stskeepshello m__19:25
m__Stskeeps: hello there19:25
Stskeepsm__: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?19:25
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chouchouneoh, automated went through my last push to review, and not the 2 previous ones19:26
chouchouneautomated tests*19:26
m__Stskeeps: thx. I'm mainly interested in webkit, so just checking out how you guys are using it19:26
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Stskeepsm__: sure :) we're mostly just integrating qtwebkit deliverables, but some of our vendors use it for various things19:27
Stskeepsm__: phonegap can sit on top without big difficulty, so19:27
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Stskeepsour stack is meant to be optimized towards qml/html519:27
m__that's cool, been working with qml/html5 already19:28
Stskeepsif you have any questions on Mer, feel free to ask at any time, or on how to contribute, use, etc, else feel free to hang out :)19:29
w00ter, did I just kill gitweb? :<19:30
jonniif you want fast ux you dont use html5 though :)19:30
Stskeepsw00t: i hope not19:30
w00tStskeeps: I think I may have.19:30
m__thanks. anyone tried to build mer on MacOS ? don't have lnx machine atm19:31
Stskeepsm__: you can get quite far with a linux virtual machine19:31
Stskeepsw00t: maybe just qtwebkit finishing up..19:31
chouchounejonni: should mention that on #firefoxOS, no-one will troll you here ;)19:32
jonnichouchoune: heh, I wasnt looking for trolling, just was comparing against qml :)19:33
m__Stskeeps: will try that, thx19:33
chouchounejonni: I was kidding, I even don't know if #firefoxOS exists19:34
rzrwho is the qml guru around ?19:37
rzrQML QDeclarativeImage_QML_60: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/icon-m-toolbar-close19:37
rzrfind / -iname '*toolbar*' | grep close19:38
rzr/usr/share/themes/ce/meegotouch/icons/icon-m-toolbar-close-white.svg19:38
rzr/usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/icons/icon-m-toolbar-close-white.svg19:38
rzrI might miss something19:38
shanxSquick question: is size of wchar_t same across all c++ compilers and all platforms, or is it implemetation defined ??19:39
jonnirzr: white? :)19:39
rzrjonni, lets try to hack this suffit19:40
rzrjonni, lets try to hack this suffix19:40
rzrfile:///usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/meego/ToolIcon.qml:66:9: QML QDeclarativeImage_QML_60: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/icon-m-toolbar-close19:40
shanxSgot it.. its 'compiler-specific' -- wikipedia19:40
alteregorzr: that'd be another missing icon then, there are a lot ;)19:41
situshanxS: I don't think it's same.19:41
rzrjonni, let's invert the theme then19:41
rzralterego, should i file a bug then ?19:41
alteregorzr: not sure, this is a nemo thing imo19:41
alteregoIt's an issue with the theme that's being used not having all the icons. it actually lacks most of the meego icons unfortunately.19:42
rzralterego, i meant bug on mer tracker19:42
alteregoYeah, not an issue wirh mer.19:42
alterego~with mer19:42
shanxSsitu: yup, I just read that on wikipedia page ..19:42
shanxSsitu: thanks anyways :)19:43
rzralterego, qt4 is part of core isnt it ?19:43
alteregoqt-components isn't19:44
alteregoAnd either is theme specific images ;)19:44
chouchounebut this icon is in Nemo theming no ?19:44
chouchouneshould be*19:44
rzrok then were to report that bug ? :)19:44
alteregoNo, it's not a bug in Mer19:44
alteregoYou don't have to use that icon.,19:45
rzrbut I dont use it19:45
rzrI use this file : file:///usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/meego/ToolIcon.qml19:45
rzrwhich is using it19:45
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chouchounehttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/19:45
rzrthat one is part of compoments19:45
chouchounerzr: ^19:45
rzrchouchoune, thx that's might help19:46
alteregorzr: but you're telling it to use that icon no?19:46
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rzrthis is the default one19:46
alteregorzr: pastie your code.19:47
alteregoplease :)19:47
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rzralterego, sure , wait a bit19:47
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rzralterego, here it is https://gitorious.org/redak19:54
rzrhttps://gitorious.org/redak/redak/blobs/master/qml/redak/meego/Tools.qml19:55
rzrlet's try to bypass that one19:55
chouchounemer's gitweb down or it's just me ?19:56
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w00tchouchoune: I think I may have killed it19:56
chouchounehaha, ok19:57
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chouchounegerrit also down19:57
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alteregorzr: so, yeah, you're using that icon :P19:58
lbtw00t: what did you do19:58
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w00tlbt: I don't know19:58
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alteregoSo you need to file a bug against nemo theme for that icon19:58
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w00tI hit up gitweb, and then it stopped working19:59
w00t(literally)19:59
lbtSwap:  2097144k total,  1765192k used19:59
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w00tlbt: ahem!19:59
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chouchouneare you using gitolite ?19:59
rzralterego, will do19:59
lbtwell, if we will insist on running java on machines with <14Tb of RAM ....19:59
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w00tlbt: sorry!20:00
lbtgerrit2   20   0 1161m  49m 1336 S  0.5 10.0  45:21.46 java20:00
lbtthe 1161m is the virt - 46m is resident20:00
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lbtw00t: I actually expected you to have accidentally tried to view a qt tarball in gitweb20:02
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w00tlbt: I was on qt.git at the time, so erm, that could be possible - either via misclick or prefetch20:02
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rzralterego, have to wipe that status bar away20:02
lbtw00t: we shouldn't have tarballs in git anyhow ... ah...20:03
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lbtw00t: when I get it back could you try again - this shouldn't happen and I want to know if it's a pre-fetch thing20:05
w00tlbt: yes20:05
w00tI don't see it in my history, at least, but that could be because it never loaded successfully20:05
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lbtback now20:08
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Sleepy_Coderi iz back :D20:54
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