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| Stskeeps | good morning srikanth | 05:39 |
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| srikanth | Stskeeps:Morning | 05:39 |
| srikanth | :) | 05:39 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning sonach | 05:41 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: this press release might also be interesting for your work, http://nokiainnovation.com/2012/07/press-release-jolla-now-has-an-agreement-with-largest-mobile-phones-retail-chain-in-china/ | 05:42 |
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| srikanth | Good info Stskeeps thanks for sharing | 05:44 |
| dm8tbr | good moaning | 05:49 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: good morning, and thank you for the sharing, | 05:50 |
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| E-P | great news, and good morning everyone! | 05:51 |
| * timoph yawns | 05:52 | |
| timoph | morning | 05:52 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning timoph, E-P | 05:53 |
| E-P | timoph: you have survived from the ilosaari? | 05:53 |
| timoph | yep | 05:54 |
| timoph | I think that was ilosaari number 13 or 14 for me | 05:55 |
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| E-P | heh, so you are pro already | 05:56 |
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| timoph | oh. kyyberi seems to be working on some pretty cool and useful stuff for mer | 05:57 |
| * timoph likes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urmp-fmjRro | 05:58 | |
| E-P | wau, nice | 05:58 |
| E-P | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429 | 06:00 |
| E-P | related to that | 06:00 |
| timoph | a bit. kyyberi's thing is more of a community transperancy/communication tool | 06:02 |
| E-P | nod | 06:03 |
| timoph | but yeah. I'd guess parts of that work could be reused to the qa thing | 06:03 |
| timoph | actually we should reuse.. | 06:03 |
| timoph | or better yet, add the qa things to that | 06:04 |
| timoph | dunno if his goal is to include qa data anyway | 06:04 |
| timoph | need to have a chat with him | 06:05 |
| Stskeeps | we're first traversing into architecture browsing at least | 06:05 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, please do | 06:05 |
| E-P | ok, would be nice to have most of the stuff in one place | 06:06 |
| E-P | but if it gets too messy, not then | 06:07 |
| timoph | yep | 06:07 |
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| timoph | E-P: btw, I did a small error with removing the packaging stuff from the tools repos | 06:09 |
| timoph | didn't take changelogs from them.. | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: how did eat 'self-testing' work btw? | 06:10 |
| E-P | timoph: are the old changelogs available in the meego repos anymore? | 06:10 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: just a simple shell script that get executed after boot. finds all tests (/usr/share/*-tests/tests.xml) and executes them | 06:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:10 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ^ | 06:11 |
| timoph | never really took that into use so it's more of an hack | 06:11 |
| timoph | E-P: there or from git history | 06:11 |
| timoph | E-P: I'm planning to add separate changes file to the repos | 06:11 |
| E-P | timoph: ok | 06:12 |
| timoph | E-P: to make things easy I'm just going to use the debian changelog style so I can do cat changelog > changes or something | 06:15 |
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| E-P | then for the rpm you have to make it different :) | 06:25 |
| E-P | Sage_: morning, you are right we have to make simple instructions how to create and execute tests | 06:26 |
| E-P | Sage_: for the definition we have good guide https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Quality/TestDefinitionHowTo | 06:26 |
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| timoph | E-P: yeah. but that's the upstream changelog and the rmp changelog is different | 06:40 |
| lbt | morning | 06:42 |
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| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 06:42 |
| lbt | OBS is built, tested + released btw | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok, cool | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | found the copyprj problems? | 06:43 |
| lbt | 2 new obs workers | 06:43 |
| lbt | Well, the I thought the -p thing was to do with the other link work that was going on | 06:44 |
| lbt | in general more docs+comments needed | 06:44 |
| lbt | A code review != reverse engineering task :) | 06:45 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: timoph thanks I already solved my issues | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:59 |
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| Sage_ | E-P: :no:d | 07:08 |
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| Stskeeps | rcg, try ask arc_mat your TS question | 07:26 |
| arc_mat | ? | 07:27 |
| arc_mat | hi | 07:27 |
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| rcg | Stskeeps: right | 07:27 |
| rcg | arc_mat: got an archos 101 g9 turbo here | 07:27 |
| rcg | tried the images from http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/archos_gen9.html | 07:28 |
| rcg | however, touchscreen is not working | 07:28 |
| ericc | Stskeeps where is good new? | 07:28 |
| arc_mat | rcg: hmmm | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | ericc: http://nokiainnovation.com/2012/07/press-release-jolla-now-has-an-agreement-with-largest-mobile-phones-retail-chain-in-china/ | 07:28 |
| arc_mat | rcg: just last week I had someone with the same problem, just on an A80S... | 07:29 |
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| arc_mat | rcg: are you able to get to a console? | 07:29 |
| rcg | btw. i won't be much responsive these days.. got some serious private issues here.. please excuse this :( | 07:29 |
| ericc | china？ | 07:29 |
| rcg | arc_mat: not yet | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | ericc: yes china | 07:29 |
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| arc_mat | rcg: the 10 inch screen usually come with a firmware update, but normally it should be applied permanently once you boot into the normal firmware | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | good morning mikhas | 07:30 |
| ericc | in china the news is bad | 07:31 |
| arc_mat | rcg: touchscreen not working means, not at all working or working erratically? | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | ericc: how come? | 07:31 |
| rcg | arc_mat: if you could drop me a link or some explanation on how to get ssh connection into the tablet that would be great... i will then read that later this day | 07:31 |
| mikhas | moin | 07:31 |
| rcg | arc_mat: not working at all | 07:31 |
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| rcg | arc_mat: i am really sorry, but i am truly busy with serious private stuff, so i wont be very responsive... however, your help is highly appreciated | 07:32 |
| arc_mat | rcg: I'll just have a look for myself... | 07:32 |
| ericc | 困难重重 诺基亚关闭中国两家销售中心 | 07:32 |
| ericc | right？ | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | ericc: sorry, i can't read that | 07:33 |
| * timoph sees the symbols but has no idea what those mean | 07:33 | |
| arc_mat | rcg: since you're already the second person reporting the issue, there must be something generally wrong with touch screen support, especially since the two reported failures are on different devices (and therefore different touch panel vendors) | 07:33 |
| ericc | i find somethin | 07:34 |
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| Stskeeps | arc_mat: xorg.0.log would be a naturally place to look | 07:34 |
| arc_mat | Stskeeps: that is true | 07:34 |
| arc_mat | rcg: ^^ | 07:34 |
| arc_mat | rcg: if you connect a hub to the micro-usb port, you can plug a keyboard and a mouse. | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | arc_mat: i'm fairly sure we have sane udev handling.. at one point, a race condition in startup revealed a xorg bug about not handling touchscreen devices that modified themselves after the fact | 07:35 |
| arc_mat | Stskeeps: "modified themselves"? | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | arc_mat: yes, udev revealed device, then sent change events to it | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | turning it into a touchscreen | 07:35 |
| arc_mat | Stskeeps: ah, and in the middle of it Xorg launched... | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | and xorg couldn't handle change events :) | 07:36 |
| arc_mat | Stskeeps: would not happen for our devices, they are always touchscreens | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | that was a fun one to debug | 07:36 |
| * timoph ponders about reporting with testrunner-ui | 07:36 | |
| timoph | Stskeeps: would save report to pdf be useful? | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: sure | 07:38 |
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| E-P | timoph: is there any feature to upload directly to the qa-reports? | 07:38 |
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| timoph | E-P: there is | 07:39 |
| E-P | good | 07:39 |
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| timoph | E-P: but it's a bit meego specific. just filed a bug about it :) | 07:39 |
| timoph | that got me thinking about the pdf thing | 07:39 |
| E-P | timoph: :) | 07:39 |
| rcg | arc_mat, Stskeeps, alright, thanks for that information.. sorry for being unresponsive the next time | 07:40 |
| ericc | Stskeeps maybe good news | 07:41 |
| ericc | stskoops url http://www.intomobile.com/2012/07/15/jolla-signs-distribution-deal-dphone-chinas-largest-phone-retailer/ | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | ericc: yes | 07:45 |
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| timoph | E-P: I'll fix the meego specifics while doing the ui rewrite (just started doing it) | 08:03 |
| E-P | timoph: thanks! | 08:03 |
| timoph | 17 views to rewrite in c++ | 08:04 |
| timoph | might take a day or two :) | 08:04 |
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| E-P | timoph: how it was made before? | 08:05 |
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| timoph | E-P: Qt's ui designer (produces xml) | 08:06 |
| timoph | I don't like that. easier to maintain c++. besides I like to have better control of the code :) | 08:06 |
| E-P | timoph: ok, I was just about to ask why :) | 08:07 |
| timoph | :) | 08:11 |
| timoph | because I want to and can :p | 08:12 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 08:18 |
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| slaine | morning Stskeeps | 08:19 |
| slaine | nice and wet here. | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:19 |
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| mikhas | timoph, I've never been happy with Qt's UI files either | 08:21 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: when do we get shader enabled testrunner-ui | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | flashy wavy effects when tests run | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:22 |
| Juhi24 | :D | 08:22 |
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| * Sage_ is waiting qt to build :/ | 08:27 | |
| Sage_ | or actually qtwebkit | 08:27 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: :D | 08:27 |
| Sage_ | lbt, Stskeeps: is qt/qtwebkit still semething that needs "special" worker? | 08:28 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: qt5 and desktop components might be the cue for that :) | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: on mer ci yes | 08:28 |
| lbt | Sage_: and on cobs | 08:28 |
| Sage_ | ok, so I need to wait i586 to build and then armv7hl gets it turn | 08:28 |
| lbt | on cobs it hits phost4 Sage_ | 08:28 |
| lbt | yes, | 08:28 |
| Sage_ | ok, well that will take some time | 08:29 |
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| Paimen | grah monday | 08:33 |
| slaine | Paimen: coffee helps | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | aren't you on vacation? | 08:34 |
| Paimen | even if it is vacation it is still monday, also I got temporarily laid off | 08:34 |
| slaine | :( | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | sorry to hear that | 08:34 |
| Paimen | well, hard to push anything regarding qa/tdriver from company side now, but well more time to help you guys | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | i called my own 'holiday' inbetwen contracts open source holiday | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:35 |
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| Paimen | :) | 08:36 |
| lbt | Paimen: :/ | 08:38 |
| lbt | OTOH you get to hang out more with us :D | 08:38 |
| Paimen | indeed | 08:38 |
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| Stskeeps | moin mdfe_ | 08:39 |
| Paimen | well I just hope that temporay does not change to persistent. More vacation is not that bad thing altougth financially it is not good thing | 08:40 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 08:40 |
| lbt | Paimen: yeah, tighten belt, drop all expenses - just make sure to buy good coffee | 08:40 |
| * lbt speaks from experience *g* | 08:41 | |
| phaeron | Paimen: which company are you ? | 08:45 |
| Paimen | phaeron: Nomovok | 08:46 |
| phaeron | ah, I have some friends there :) | 08:47 |
| phaeron | mord: o/ | 08:47 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: for N9, is there a life cycle management function for applications? I don't find it in Qt sdk. | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: hmm, not sure | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think so, there used to be at one point | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | but i don't recall where it went | 09:12 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: maybe other modules outside of Qt take charge of this? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | that's likely | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | what do you specifically mean with lifecycle management? | 09:13 |
| Sage_ | lbt: mic is quite a lot out of date on our sdk | 09:13 |
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| Stskeeps | morn thierry_troll | 09:14 |
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| thierry_troll | morning | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | hello goooooodd3 | 09:14 |
| lbt | Sage_: yep, SDK needs TLC... we prioritised last week at rel mgmt meeting so I'm going with that prio list at the moment | 09:14 |
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| lbt | currently looking at BOSS | 09:14 |
| goooooodd3 | hi | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | goooooodd3: welcome to #mer :) so what brings you here? | 09:15 |
| goooooodd3 | you ren neng kan dong wo shuo de sha bu | 09:15 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I mean lifecycle management for application start\pause\exit and other management for applications. I think there have to be this function in system. | 09:15 |
| Sage_ | lbt: and what does | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | goooooodd3: sorry, i don't speak chinese | 09:15 |
| Sage_ | lbt: "Snapshot of 0.8 with Mer patches" mean? | 09:15 |
| Sage_ | lbt: there is no .patches only tarball | 09:16 |
| lbt | Sage_: that's probably because I didn't have mer-pkg usable at that point | 09:17 |
| Sage_ | lbt: problem is that I can't actually do image with systemd with the current mic and tried to check how to update. | 09:17 |
| Sage_ | lbt: why don't we just use the upstream versions and add .patch files on top? | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: how come you can't? | 09:17 |
| jonni | ZiQiangHuan: there kinda is lifecycle management, out of memory handler kills applicaiton if ram runs out, when you switch app to background, the system changes app from opengl to raster and sends x11 event too to application (application can decide themselves if they pause/resume or not). | 09:17 |
| Sage_ | and push patche sto upstream? | 09:17 |
| lbt | Sage_: we do | 09:17 |
| Sage_ | lbt: we currently we don't apparently | 09:18 |
| lbt | currently we do; previously we didn't | 09:18 |
| lbt | what's the date on that package? | 09:18 |
| jonni | ZiQiangHuan: that was on N9 harmattan, dont know about mer :) | 09:18 |
| Sage_ | lbt: where is that we do then? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=mic&project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting | 09:18 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=obs-server&project=Mer%3AOBS for example | 09:19 |
| Sage_ | lbt: latest changelog entry for that says that added mer specific patches | 09:19 |
| Sage_ | lbt: I'm talking about mic :D | 09:19 |
| ZiQiangHuan | jonni: thank you for the info. | 09:19 |
| lbt | Sage_: so in our release management meeting I said bringing SDK up to date was a high prio. In the end we said it wasn't | 09:20 |
| lbt | so I am not disagreeing with you | 09:20 |
| lbt | mic needs updating and it needs packaging properly | 09:20 |
| Sage_ | well, the up to date isn't actually the thing here | 09:20 |
| Sage_ | the point was that we have mic atm. that has patches merged to tarball that aren't in upstream. | 09:21 |
| lbt | since I last did mic I've spent time on making the packaging process for Tools work better with patches | 09:21 |
| Sage_ | we are in same page so lets stop :) | 09:21 |
| lbt | what do you want me to say? | 09:21 |
| lbt | indeed | 09:21 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4265062 how to get over this :) | 09:21 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I have repo that has those but BUILD counts are smaller | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 09:22 |
| Sage_ | so package versions are smaller so it fails | 09:22 |
| lbt | *cough* release numbers in versions.... | 09:22 |
| Sage_ | project link doesn't take build count from source apparently | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | entirely possible | 09:23 |
| lbt | is there any reliable way to do that? | 09:24 |
| ZiQiangHuan | jonni: because I found there is a lifecycle management in Android just like Activity... so it reminds me to think is there something similar in N9 or mer. | 09:24 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: and apparently mic's --excludepkgs= doesn't work anymore :/ | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: send it for review and we'll test it throughoutly in a snapshot.. | 09:31 |
| Sage_ | ok | 09:32 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: pushed pulseaudio fix | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:35 |
| Sage_ | please review also the patch carefully | 09:35 |
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| Sage_ | is this next snapshot only certain things or everything that passes review? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | stuff i've already merged + important new changes | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | what is on your priority list? | 09:38 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I think there was some CVE fixes somewhere | 09:49 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: and that mkcal fix was one | 09:50 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/#change,652 <- can be dropped already in on other fix | 09:51 |
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| ericc | somebody want to buy lumia 900？ | 09:54 |
| ericc | to | 09:54 |
| ericc | cheap | 09:54 |
| Sage_ | ericc: 10¤ sold? :) | 09:55 |
| ericc | DO YOU GET ONE SAGE:) | 09:56 |
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| Stskeeps | ericc: this is not a marketplace sorry :) | 10:00 |
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| tanuk2 | I'm doing my first gerrit review... What is the "Cover Message" used for? | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk2: just means 'why did you review like this" | 10:02 |
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| Stskeeps | hello fish__ | 10:02 |
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| Stskeeps | tanuk2: it's possible to review within files themselves too, and then commit | 10:03 |
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| tanuk2 | Stskeeps: Is it common to leave the cover message empty when giving +1? | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk2: i just usually write "OK" | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | it can be empty | 10:06 |
| tanuk2 | Ok. | 10:06 |
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| Stskeeps | hello suviola :) | 10:09 |
| suviola | hi | 10:10 |
| tanuk2 | Sage_: I'm having a look at http://review.merproject.org/#change,659 | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | suviola: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 10:11 |
| tanuk2 | Sage_: The patch isn't equivalent to http://cgit.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/commit/?h=stable-2.x&id=2e64edbd3e12145950ccd952bb7984a4420b8c02 | 10:11 |
| tanuk2 | Sage_: Is it because the code has changed since 0.9.22? | 10:12 |
| tanuk2 | Sage_: I'd like to have a git branch with the mer pulseaudio patches applied - is there a repo somewhere that would contain such branch? | 10:12 |
| suviola | Stskeeps, I was going to check some bugs as part of exercise from jolla guys | 10:12 |
| Sage_ | tanuk2: there is almost 300 patches on Mer pulseaudio :) | 10:13 |
| Sage_ | tanuk2: the code has changed between 0.9.22 and 2.0 so didn't apply | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | suviola: sure :) if you have any questions on Mer, or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :) | 10:13 |
| Sage_ | tanuk2: thouh, that seems differnet patch that I was looking at first. | 10:14 |
| suviola | Stskeeps, I will, when I get started properly, today I just get accounts etc. ready | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | alright :) | 10:14 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning sledges | 10:14 |
| sledges | hello everybuddy | 10:14 |
| sledges | read some new @jollamobile tweets on bussiness level! | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: yeah, interesting times - let's take that over in #jollamobile :) | 10:15 |
| sledges | i'm there :) | 10:15 |
| Sage_ | tanuk2: ok, that patch applies. will fix it with that | 10:16 |
| * timoph enjoying coding in c++ after doing mainly python for the past several months | 10:16 | |
| E-P | timoph: yep :) | 10:17 |
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| E-P | when you have done c++ and you change to the python, you always use ; | 10:17 |
| tanuk2 | Sage_: So is there a branch with all the patches applied (not as patch files)? | 10:17 |
| tanuk2 | Or should I just create one myself? I guess that wouldn't be too much trouble... | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk2: the latest PA work was done by the intel guys | 10:18 |
| Sage_ | tanuk2: I don't think there is one atm. | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk2: they delivered a source package with a lot of patches.. | 10:18 |
| timoph | oh. hi tanuk2 o/ | 10:18 |
| tanuk2 | timoph: Hi o/ | 10:19 |
| Sage_ | tanuk2: pushed the patch from that tree | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | suviola: there's been a email backend change on e-mail system, so if islam.amer@ isn't answering regarding enabling account, prod x-fade, lbt or phaeron on here | 10:22 |
| Sage_ | tanuk2: http://review.merproject.org/#patch,sidebyside,659,2,pulseaudio-0.9.22-fix-new-udev-api.patch | 10:22 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: forwarded to lbt | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:24 |
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| lbt | suviola: done - have fun | 10:35 |
| lbt | why do people talk to me when I go make coffee... | 10:36 |
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| Stskeeps | hello zzats :) | 10:36 |
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| jonwil | hi | 10:40 |
| iekku | hi | 10:40 |
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| alterego | lbt: I get the same | 10:44 |
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| Sage_ | tanuk2: thx for the review | 10:45 |
| tanuk2 | np :) | 10:48 |
| * alterego puts the finishing touches to phase one of the dialer mk2 UI :) | 10:49 | |
| Paimen | Sage_, E-P or lbt is there something you would like me to dig in on TDriver front at this point? | 10:50 |
| alterego | Why doesn't build-uid = 1000:1000 work in my ~/.oscrc O_O | 10:50 |
| lbt | Paimen: is there anything in bz or wiki page? | 10:52 |
| Paimen | browsing wiki atm | 10:52 |
| lbt | alterego:just 1000 | 10:52 |
| Paimen | haven't seen anything yet | 10:52 |
| lbt | and typically it's caller | 10:52 |
| lbt | which uses the uid of the user running osc | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/TDriver | 10:52 |
| iekku | mer bug triage starting in 7 minutes | 10:53 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: something Mer would need, not general Tdriver stuff | 10:53 |
| Paimen | kind of I would like to get my hands dirty | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | just referred to lbt's wikki/bz stuff | 10:54 |
| lbt | Paimen: do you have an N900 you can use? | 10:54 |
| Paimen | nope, HW I currently have are WeTab and Iconia | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | wetab works too, given it's practically an exopc | 10:55 |
| alterego | lbt, oh :) | 10:55 |
| Paimen | yup | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: silly question, does your wetab have a fan.. | 10:56 |
| lbt | alterego: my line is : build-uid = caller | 10:56 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: I do not think so, but let me check | 10:56 |
| alterego | lbt: yeah, that seems more flexible, thanks. | 10:56 |
| lbt | Paimen: OK, so what would be good is to build on this page: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started | 10:57 |
| lbt | I have an ExoPC ks which you may want to try out | 10:57 |
| lbt | then we can describe extending the image with tdriver things to enable testing | 10:57 |
| Paimen | ok, well I start to follow that page then | 10:58 |
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| lbt | Paimen: I need to save the exopc ks too | 11:02 |
| lbt | in triage ... bbiab | 11:02 |
| Paimen | k | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: feel free to join triage and take bugs/tasks | 11:04 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: yup Lurking on the channel | 11:05 |
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| alterego | .yaml/spec made .. | 11:06 |
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| alterego | /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.qNAnpL: line 40: fg: no job control | 11:11 |
| alterego | What does that mean? | 11:11 |
| alterego | When doing an osc build | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | you did a syntax error somewhere | 11:12 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: in my spec? | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: yes, show us your spec? | 11:17 |
| alterego | http://pastie.org/4265479 | 11:17 |
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| * alterego sighs | 11:22 | |
| Stskeeps | alterego: that should really be no-frills | 11:23 |
| alterego | exactly .. | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | build log == ? | 11:23 |
| alterego | Should it matter if the package isn't on the server? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't matter | 11:24 |
| alterego | http://pastie.org/4265510 | 11:25 |
| alterego | build log | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: --clean | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | and try again | 11:26 |
| alterego | I think I remember having this issue once before, and it was something to do with cputransp .. | 11:27 |
| alterego | But I don't have scratchbox installed .. | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | we don't use cputransp in mer | 11:27 |
| alterego | Yeah, it was a conflict with running normal scratchbox on my system at the same time. But I don't have that installed currently. | 11:27 |
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| eric_ | g9? | 11:31 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: still no good :/ | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: show me build log now | 11:34 |
| lbt | kyyberi: you registered on bz? | 11:34 |
| lbt | cc yourself on https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429 | 11:34 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4265510 | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: hmm | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: where's qt-devel? | 11:36 |
| alterego | Good question .. | 11:37 |
| alterego | I thought by using qmake as the build agent it should pull that in anyway :P | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | seems not | 11:38 |
| alterego | And surely pkgconfig for other qt deps would pull that in too. | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't necessarily have to | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | either way, there's your probelm | 11:38 |
| Aard | alterego: never rely on 'it'll just be pulled in anyway' ;) | 11:38 |
| * alterego gives it a go | 11:38 | |
| alterego | Aard: worked for old meego-handset-dialer :/ | 11:39 |
| alterego | I just copied that .yaml tbf | 11:39 |
| alterego | Maybe it was one of its' deps I removed that pulled in qmake | 11:39 |
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| alterego | But yeah, that's fixed it ;) | 11:40 |
| alterego | Sorry I'm running a little late with the packages, but hopefully by not too late today :P | 11:40 |
| alterego | Aard: ^ | 11:41 |
| Aard | alterego: please have something for me after dinner :p | 11:41 |
| alterego | I was always expecting the packaging bit to be slightly annoying :D | 11:41 |
| alterego | /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld: cannot find -lQtOpenGL | 11:42 |
| alterego | /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld: cannot find -lGLESv2 | 11:42 |
| alterego | It's not even a UI app! | 11:42 |
| * alterego sighs | 11:42 | |
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| alterego | Ah, probably multimediakit -_- | 11:43 |
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| alterego | finally :) | 11:46 |
| E-P | I was planning to gather following bug metrics for the next QA meeting, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Quality#Metrics | 11:48 |
| E-P | any wishes what else? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: mean time based on severity | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | with upper and lower limits | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | i am fairly sure we're not good enough to get rid of high prio tasks | 11:48 |
| mikhas | any idea why? | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | er, not severity, prio | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: probably due to not breaking them down sanely | 11:49 |
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| Stskeeps | we're a public project, we can be honest about our failures and we take suggestions how to fix our things ;) | 11:50 |
| lbt | I would like to see some kind of report on closed bugs | 11:50 |
| mikhas | yeah, defeat in detail is good bug squashing strategy | 11:50 |
| lbt | iekku is arranging a bugsquash session | 11:50 |
| mikhas | well, from my Nokia experience, you *really* need to enforce bug closing for high prio bugs, otherwise it becomes meaningless bug decoration | 11:51 |
| lbt | I'd also like to see a public role-call of bug closers | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | as in, crediting effort? | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | or? | 11:51 |
| mikhas | if you have a high prio bug, you cannot work on anything else -- but how to enforce *that* in open-source projects? | 11:51 |
| E-P | lbt: for closed bugs, meaning fixed / notfixed / invalid etc? | 11:52 |
| lbt | mainly a "thanks" and recognition to bug closers | 11:52 |
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| licl | #wayland on freenode | 11:53 |
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| Stskeeps | licl: yes, i'm in there | 11:53 |
| mikhas | lbt, bounties? t-shirts? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | hugs? | 11:54 |
| lbt | "thanks" are easier/cheaper :) | 11:54 |
| mikhas | lbt, I'd add recognition for those who actually triage bugs and make them understandable for devs | 11:55 |
| lbt | and avoid sweaty Stskeepses | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:55 |
| lbt | mikhas: *nod* ... just something to say changes to bz made by these folk this week | 11:55 |
| lbt | anyhow... :) | 11:56 |
| lbt | mikhas: on the high prio - one reason is that we don't create bugs for things we're just getting on and doing | 11:56 |
| lbt | so right now I'm working on things from last weeks release mgmt meeting | 11:56 |
| lbt | but it's not a bug | 11:56 |
| E-P | btw, do you still have mer t-shirts left? :) | 11:57 |
| lbt | no-one else is really involved | 11:57 |
| lbt | E-P: very few XL/XXL | 11:57 |
| lbt | I want a better supplier tbh | 11:57 |
| lbt | Tizen does nice t-shirts ... we should collaborate!!! | 11:57 |
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| E-P | ouh, those are bit too big for me | 11:57 |
| mikhas | lbt, we could have localized t-shirt production | 11:58 |
| mikhas | perhaps save on shipping costs this way | 11:58 |
| mikhas | if you want to send to community members for their contributions | 11:58 |
| mikhas | we did that for Maliit | 11:58 |
| mikhas | people were happy to receive them by post | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | there's maliit tshirts? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: on a sidenote, how does maliit and libmtf integration look like in later versions? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | was it ripped out? | 11:59 |
| mikhas | completely | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | we have a quite old version in nemo so | 11:59 |
| mikhas | that's why I had to rewrite the keyboard plugin … | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | so if we were to upgrade maliit, what would be problems likely? | 11:59 |
| mikhas | the "new" surfaces API | 11:59 |
| mikhas | by default, Maliit does not use a fullscreen overlay any more | 11:59 |
| mikhas | that causes some problems for plain QML plugins … | 12:00 |
| mikhas | (because for QML + Qt4, you'd still need fullscreen overlays to do nice animations etc) | 12:00 |
| * lbt wears his malit t-shirt a lot :) | 12:00 | |
| mikhas | lbt, cheers | 12:00 |
| mikhas | I wear my GUADEC 2008 shirt very often | 12:01 |
| mikhas | I just like the colors, the Istanbul skyline + the sun | 12:01 |
| * iekku has rattus t-shirt | 12:01 | |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, we're planning to get rid of the gconf backend | 12:01 |
| mikhas | we will just use QSettings by default, and we have a nice python CLI application now, for accessing settings (together with libs, of course) | 12:02 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, so not sure whether you already had a settings application for Maliit in Nemo? | 12:03 |
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| Stskeeps | mikhas: nop, we don't | 12:05 |
| mikhas | good, so who is responsible for setting UIs, in Nemo? | 12:06 |
| mikhas | if anyone is | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | anyone who contributes :) we have mtf settings atm | 12:06 |
| mikhas | ah ok … | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | but option for qml panels | 12:06 |
| mikhas | whom to talk to? | 12:06 |
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| mikhas | I dont feel like writing a MTF settings plugin =p | 12:07 |
| mikhas | not again! | 12:07 |
| mikhas | (it was actually one of the better designed parts in MTF) | 12:07 |
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| Stskeeps | have a chat with aard, i think | 12:08 |
| Aard | who? | 12:09 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: has anyone tested cups on Mer yet? | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | no | 12:12 |
| Sage_ | because we are missing systemd patches and stuff :) | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:13 |
| Sage_ | sysvinit scripts were removed but systemd stuff not introduced :) | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok, bug please :) | 12:13 |
| Sage_ | probably should rebase on top of latest fedora | 12:14 |
| mikhas | Aard, I hear you like writing settings UIs for Nemo using QML panels? | 12:14 |
| mikhas | =p | 12:14 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I need to touch cups because of systemd anyway, mainly pondering if I should just update it from fedora at the same time for this release? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | mm, give it a try | 12:15 |
| Sage_ | this systemd/udev update is getting bigger and bigger contantly :/ | 12:15 |
| Aard | mikhas: uh, that would be rozhkov, and I'm not sure if he likes it ;) | 12:15 |
| mikhas | hah | 12:15 |
| Sage_ | anyway fedora has the best systemd integration so probably good for us as well | 12:15 |
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| Guest87102 | Stskeeps: Hi, does any one know the module name of touch input for n950? | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | Guest87102: check /boot/config* | 12:18 |
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| Guest87102 | Stskeeps: okay, will do. | 12:23 |
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| chouchoune | Stskeeps: you remember the perl-libwww-perl stuff I we talked several days ago ? | 12:27 |
| * chouchoune forgot to say hi earlier :/ | 12:28 | |
| chouchoune | hi ;) | 12:28 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: is this the kind of information you need to take a decision on this ? https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343#c4 | 12:29 |
| chouchoune | or do you need some more informations ? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: i need to go to airport sorry | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | ask me later | 12:29 |
| chouchoune | ok, no problem | 12:29 |
| chouchoune | yep | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | or cc me on the bug | 12:29 |
| chouchoune | have a nice flight | 12:30 |
| Guest87102 | Stskeeps: Thanks :) | 12:30 |
| E-P | iekku, lbt: is the bugzilla's version field used in bugs? | 12:36 |
| iekku | E-P, let me check | 12:38 |
| iekku | speaking about the sw version? | 12:38 |
| lbt | we use the Mer release version sometimes | 12:40 |
| E-P | yes, Mer version | 12:40 |
| E-P | so I have to use time based search for getting fixed bugs per releases or look from the mailing list | 12:41 |
| lbt | the correct solution should be changelogs | 12:42 |
| iekku | bugs aren't turned to released automatically | 12:43 |
| iekku | that's something we should think | 12:43 |
| lbt | they should be - BOSS should do that | 12:44 |
| lbt | and .. FWIW I'm working on BOSS right now | 12:44 |
| iekku | 0 released, 0 verified, 0 closed | 12:45 |
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| E-P | are the changelogs somewhere else available than in mailing list? or can I use git to gather the number of changes per release? | 12:48 |
| lbt | I publish the changelogs as part of the release process | 12:49 |
| lbt | they should be easier to access (and process) | 12:49 |
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| E-P | where do you publish them? | 12:54 |
| Sage_ | something broke in cobs? | 12:54 |
| Sage_ | my link project to fake obs went to state needs recalculations and has been there longer than usual | 12:54 |
| Sage_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7l | 12:55 |
| * lbt hides | 12:55 | |
| lbt | this is why I have to work when everyone is asleep :) | 12:55 |
| Sage_ | :D | 12:55 |
| * lbt shoots Stskeeps for setting up MDS as a shell script run by hand from his home directory ,,, and then pushing it to production like that! | 12:56 | |
| Sage_ | qt5 stuff doesn't require separate workers anymore?! | 12:56 |
| lbt | E-P: they're published here: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/ | 12:57 |
| lbt | *g* | 12:57 |
| E-P | lbt: ok, that is what I was afraid of :) | 12:58 |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=.Release-tools&product=Mer%20Core | 12:58 |
| lbt | see #382 | 12:58 |
| lbt | "Changelog summary is hard to read and needs to be online" | 12:58 |
| E-P | great | 12:58 |
| E-P | dashboard will solve that :) | 12:59 |
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| lbt | yep | 13:02 |
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| rozhkov | mikhas: you might want to look at https://github.com/nemomobile/meegotouchcp-connman for an example of qml based settings plugin | 13:07 |
| mikhas | thanks! | 13:09 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: https://gist.github.com/3122792 | 13:42 |
| lbt | "dbus-libs-1.4.20-1.1.i586 requires librt.so.1" type messages making an i586 image | 13:43 |
| lbt | (or Sage_ ?) | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | -A i686 | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | and file a bug on that need | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | glibc is i686 so | 13:45 |
| lbt | ah, OK | 13:45 |
| lbt | yep, it's fine now | 13:45 |
| lbt | and it's even in the top of the .ks | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | bug please | 13:46 |
| lbt | doing it | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | its one of those insanities | 13:46 |
| lbt | what's the bug? :) | 13:46 |
| * Sage_ is pondering the same | 13:46 | |
| lbt | glibc being 686? | 13:47 |
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| lbt | architecture naming bug | 13:47 |
| Sage_ | The need for -A i686 isn't actually bug. | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | its a bug in glibc | 13:47 |
| Sage_ | if you define that use only i586 then i686 packages are not retrieved | 13:47 |
| Sage_ | glibc should be i586? | 13:47 |
| lbt | Sage_: no, that's correct | 13:47 |
| lbt | OK | 13:47 |
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| Stskeeps | glibc should be i586 rpm.. ish | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | hey gandhijee_ | 13:49 |
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| gandhijee_ | hey Stskeeps | 14:11 |
| essett | I was wondering a bit about mer and compatibility to main-line distros... Is mer based on busybox? | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | gandhijee_: welcome :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask anytime | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | essett: atm no but we provide interchangable busybox in future | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | so vendors can select themselves | 14:12 |
| gandhijee_ | =) | 14:12 |
| * Stskeeps boards his flightt | 14:12 | |
| gandhijee_ | where you off to? | 14:13 |
| iekku | to finland | 14:13 |
| iekku | :) | 14:13 |
| essett | One thing I found frustrating with the n900 was the unnecessary deviations from what was most common, i.e. strange filesystem partitioning, busybox, etc | 14:13 |
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| lbt | essett: Mer is a lot more 'normal linux' | 14:14 |
| essett | Great! That is exactly what I want! :-) | 14:14 |
| lbt | although it is following some of the more device oriented trends like systemd | 14:14 |
| alterego | That's a long ole commute :P | 14:15 |
| essett | Joy! Joy! Happy! Happy! | 14:15 |
| lbt | which will, of course be new to many | 14:15 |
| essett | systemd? Yes, will need to look in to that | 14:15 |
| essett | But I didn't really think initd was so great anyway :-) | 14:16 |
| lbt | don't forget our focus is to enable people to make products | 14:16 |
| essett | Yes, that is obvious, they are the ones that need the product! An end-user would have any use for mer without the device :-) | 14:19 |
| essett | *end-user would *not* have use | 14:19 |
| lbt | have you seen http://gitweb.merproject.org/ | 14:20 |
| lbt | good place to get a view of packages | 14:20 |
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| essett | Yes, but I was more thinking of the guidelines and principles you are following... Such as, are you trying to stay binary package compatible with any major distro? | 14:26 |
| essett | At least for the amjority of packages | 14:27 |
| essett | *majority | 14:27 |
| lbt | no, not at all | 14:28 |
| lbt | way back, I proposed that for MeeGo | 14:28 |
| lbt | but it didn't happen and we've maintained that approach | 14:28 |
| essett | It would really help your "app market"... :-) | 14:28 |
| lbt | we do take policy and tools from fedora, suse and meego | 14:28 |
| lbt | would it? | 14:29 |
| lbt | think about it | 14:29 |
| essett | At least everything console based | 14:29 |
| alterego | Just a simple recompile. | 14:29 |
| lbt | which, honestly is 0.00000000000000001 % | 14:29 |
| lbt | alterego is right - the story is about easy development | 14:29 |
| essett | That is what I am talking about | 14:30 |
| lbt | what we *do* do is use mainly the same source | 14:30 |
| alterego | Also, if you find that some other distro happens to be using armv7hl, then in theory we should be able to use a chroot based on their rootfs. | 14:30 |
| alterego | Like some maemo people do with debian chroot | 14:30 |
| essett | chroot is a really poor option | 14:31 |
| essett | I do it, but only because I have to | 14:31 |
| alterego | essett: running random binaries from other distros and expecting us to adhere to their versions of kernel, libc, etc, etc. Is a _really_ poor option ;) | 14:31 |
| alterego | If you want to run suse, ubuntu, debian, fedora, whatever on your phone. Go for it :) | 14:31 |
| alterego | But we're not doing that here :) | 14:31 |
| lbt | I do see the appeal | 14:32 |
| essett | So the libc-question was an example of my concerns :-) | 14:32 |
| lbt | and had the same idea back then | 14:32 |
| lbt | but we solve the problem with OBS and targetting now | 14:32 |
| lbt | libc? | 14:32 |
| lbt | yes | 14:32 |
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| essett | The point is, you can't run ubuntu, fedora or whatever on a phone, if you could have, I would have! | 14:32 |
| lbt | but that has issues in hardware with GLES drivers which are often bionic | 14:33 |
| essett | I want a major distro that I can run on my phone! | 14:33 |
| essett | lbt: Exactly! | 14:33 |
| essett | lbt: And lots of other stuff | 14:33 |
| lbt | essett: we'll disagree on that :) | 14:33 |
| lbt | I *do* want to be able to port stuff easily | 14:34 |
| mikhas | distros shouldnt exist in the first place | 14:34 |
| alterego | I don't want to clog my phone up with 4G of ubuntu :P | 14:34 |
| alterego | No one wants that, not really. | 14:34 |
| kyyberi | lbt: cc'ed to Bug 429 | 14:35 |
| alterego | We understand if you want to take some random .rpm from somewhere and install it. But that just isn't realistic :) | 14:35 |
| lbt | kyyberi: cool | 14:35 |
| lbt | kyyberi: would like to work with you on some requirements around that if you're open to it | 14:35 |
| lbt | essett: I suspect we have a lot of similar goals/thinking - hang around and get a feel for Mer and the ecosystem | 14:36 |
| essett | I think a really important point we are missing is this: Linux is a platform with masses of ready applications, some developed in times when computers had even less resources than a modern phone | 14:36 |
| kyyberi | lbt: sounds about right. I have some dashboard-ish implementation tests on my own | 14:36 |
| essett | The absolutely biggest barrier for success is not technical development difficulties of a distro, it is market acceptance without apps | 14:37 |
| lbt | yep - but Mer is not about apps :) | 14:37 |
| kyyberi | lbt: as you might know, on Ror and currently only local since no host to put my stuff now :) | 14:37 |
| lbt | not even a little bit | 14:37 |
| lbt | kyyberi: OK - we can work towards something there | 14:37 |
| kyyberi | yeah | 14:37 |
| essett | With QML and HTML5 as interfaces to all the old console-based stuff, we could get finger friendly in no time, but most importantly, the app developers would flock, simply because they are at home | 14:37 |
| lbt | kyyberi: first, write me some deployment instructions (for debian preferably, suse alternative) and I'll put something up | 14:38 |
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| essett | Sure, mer doesn't do apps, but obviously it is about apps! The only reason for making it is as a platform for apps to be on. right? | 14:38 |
| lbt | that's more for the people making the products | 14:39 |
| lbt | some will want apps, some wont | 14:39 |
| lbt | some will do gtk, some Qt | 14:39 |
| lbt | some b2g | 14:39 |
| lbt | so mer, as such, doesn't do apps. | 14:39 |
| iekku | ok, i'm officially too tired | 14:39 |
| lbt | iekku: :) | 14:40 |
| iekku | b2g = badger | 14:40 |
| lbt | *g* | 14:40 |
| kyyberi | lbt: ou... I've doing stuff only on Ubuntu, just starting with Debian. But default RoR install should not differ much. And if I give you my Gemfile you can install needed gems by running 'bundle install'. How detailed do you need? | 14:40 |
| essett | They will always want apps, since it can not do anything at all otherwise. If nothing else, it might be a single "app" that they developed themselves, but as always, it is about "Developers! Developers! Developers! *frothing at the mouth*" :-) | 14:40 |
| iekku | store, hotel, rest, continue working | 14:40 |
| iekku | bbl | 14:40 |
| mikhas | no, users dont want apps | 14:41 |
| lbt | kyyberi: start simple, ask for more as needed | 14:41 |
| mikhas | users want their devices to help them with their tasks | 14:41 |
| kyyberi | lbt: is RoR already installed? | 14:41 |
| lbt | kyyberi: also is this in git? | 14:41 |
| mikhas | 100 email apps wont help me with that if all of them suck | 14:41 |
| iekku | mikhas, :D | 14:41 |
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| lbt | kyyberi: blank vm.... nothing on it | 14:41 |
| kyyberi | lbt: putting it there | 14:41 |
| kyyberi | lbt: ok | 14:41 |
| lbt | I do some ruby - but need to slowly context-switch back to it | 14:42 |
| kyyberi | ok | 14:42 |
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| essett | I am still not following this... Is it for the sake of end-users, customers, or ease of development that you sacrifice package compatibility? | 14:44 |
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| * Sage_ is ponering if there is something that causes qt to rebuild qt in core atm. | 14:44 | |
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| essett | Because if it is the latter, you can't argue for any of the former... :-) | 14:44 |
| kyyberi | lbt: I'll get back to you later | 14:44 |
| lbt | kyyberi: OK - ty | 14:44 |
| lbt | essett: we don't see package compatibility as being a valuable benefit | 14:45 |
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| lbt | the cost outweighs the benefit | 14:45 |
| essett | *sigh* Yes, I see that you made the choice... | 14:47 |
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| essett | mikhas: But you do see the point that the choice of sacrificing package compatibility is for the sake of development expedience, not customer satisfaction? | 14:48 |
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| mikhas | sadly, software developers never care how their software reaches the end-users | 14:49 |
| mikhas | at least on linux | 14:49 |
| mikhas | otherwise, we'd have chosen one package format a long time ago, developers would provide installers and distros woudlnt exist | 14:49 |
| essett | *lol* too true! | 14:49 |
| lbt | nah, someone would optimise it | 14:50 |
| lbt | or add a feature | 14:50 |
| lbt | and ... seconds later... | 14:50 |
| lbt | a distro is born | 14:50 |
| mikhas | :-( | 14:50 |
| essett | It is why I love FOSS! :-) | 14:50 |
| mikhas | that's why we cant have nice things | 14:50 |
| lbt | mikhas: there is truth in that | 14:50 |
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| zeq | mikhas: what you suggest isn't "better", it simply sacrifices flexibility and customisation/optimization for one-size fits all standardization. | 14:52 |
| lbt | I think OSS needs to enable commercial organisations to focus on delivering nice things | 14:52 |
| essett | But I still think you could gain much from following another distro rather than re-inventing that part of the work again. | 14:52 |
| mikhas | that's why OBS | 14:53 |
| lbt | you're right esset we shouldn't have gone with our own package system (rpm) or builder (OBS) or init tools (systemd) or .... :D | 14:53 |
| mikhas | OBS is becoming a standard in itself slowly, many projects seem to have recipes, similar things are about to happen with systemd, where service files are now maintained properly | 14:53 |
| lbt | so really we *do* use other distros | 14:53 |
| lbt | anyhow ... must work ... l8r | 14:54 |
| essett | Sure, but you are gaining quite little for rather large losses... I am sure systemd is better than initd, but is it really important enough to loose all those free packages? | 14:55 |
| essett | lbt: Thanks for the chat and enlightenment! | 14:55 |
| lbt | np - stick around and see we do not do NIH | 14:55 |
| essett | Oh, I have no doubts at all about you guys having the right set of values, that is obvious from your major existence motivation vs Old Meego/Tizen (openness and transparency) | 14:57 |
| essett | Someone that starts a project for those reasons has my vote from the get-go! package compatibility or no! | 14:58 |
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| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started now has ExoPC instructions | 15:04 |
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| kyyberi | lbt: here's initial steps to install RoR (http://pastebin.com/sB2qJkU3). It does not contain database setup (don't know which will be used) or webserver+config to work with Ror (don't know which will be used). Warning! Haven't tested this, since I have no debian installation at hand | 15:10 |
| lbt | OK - ta | 15:11 |
| lbt | I'll use mysql and usually apache/passenger to be consistent with OBS | 15:11 |
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| kyyberi | lbt sounds good | 15:11 |
| Paimen | lbt: I try to follow those tomorrow with WeTab and report my progress here | 15:11 |
| kyyberi | I'll dig the database + apache stuff for you | 15:12 |
| lbt | kyyberi: we're also a distro (kinda) ... so in general we'll aim to use packages over src | 15:13 |
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| lbt | nb - we're probably also aiming at 1.9.x | 15:13 |
| kyyberi | lbt: hmm...haven't installed ruby nor rubygems from packages :) Otherwise it's just gem installation | 15:14 |
| lbt | *nod* ... we'll get in sync eventually :) | 15:15 |
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| kyyberi | :) | 15:16 |
| essett | BTW, has there been any thought on optionally having Android package compatibility in mer? | 15:17 |
| lbt | essett: yes, it's hard. There are specialists who would work with vendors to do this | 15:18 |
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| essett | At least the kernels will match now :-) | 15:18 |
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| essett | I think I weard that the WeTab had something of the sort | 15:19 |
| essett | *heard | 15:19 |
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| Paimen | lbt: are you sure that this line: "sudo mic create raw minimal-exopc.ks=phrased --record-pkgs=name --pkgmgr=yum --arch=i686 -o . " is correct | 15:26 |
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| Paimen | gives: Error <creator>: Can't find the file: minimal-exopc.ks=phrased | 15:26 |
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| essett | Bye all, thanks for the warm welcome! | 15:27 |
| lbt | sudo mic create liveusb minimal-exopc.ks-phrased --record-pkgs=name --pkgmgr=yum --arch=i686 -o . | 15:27 |
| lbt | essett: o/ | 15:27 |
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| lbt | Paimen: I should have cut'n'pasted it :) | 15:28 |
| Paimen | hmm still | 15:29 |
| Paimen | Error <creator>: Can't find the file: minimal-exopc.ks-phrased | 15:29 |
| lbt | sed -e's/<WPA2 passphrase>/MyWPAPhrase/;s/<SSID NAME>/MySSID/;s/localhost.localdomain/MYHOST/;' minimal-n900.ks > minimal-n900.ks-phrased | 15:29 |
| Paimen | ah grah | 15:29 |
| lbt | :) | 15:29 |
| lbt | erp | 15:29 |
| Paimen | phrased comes from that wifi setting by sed | 15:29 |
| lbt | s/exo instructions/n900 instructions/ | 15:29 |
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| lbt | yeah - I should be less hacky ... | 15:30 |
| Paimen | and well I should learn mic and stuff | 15:31 |
| lbt | still doing docs... | 15:32 |
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| Paimen | hmm where this ks file is trying to do new filesystem | 15:33 |
| Paimen | should I have some usb-memory or SD? | 15:33 |
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| Paimen | and where the heck is all my usb-sticks | 15:33 |
| lbt | it creates an image first - you then dd it to a stick | 15:33 |
| Paimen | ok | 15:34 |
| Paimen | because I got : | 15:34 |
| Paimen | rror <mount>: Error creating ext3 filesystem on disk /dev/loop101 | 15:34 |
| Paimen | Exception AttributeError: "'NoneType' object has no attribute 'px_proxy_factory_free'" in <bound method ProxyFactory.__del__ of <libproxy.ProxyFactory object at 0xae66fec>> ignored | 15:34 |
| lbt | gah | 15:34 |
| lbt | bug in SDK | 15:34 |
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| Paimen | ok | 15:35 |
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| lbt | sudo ln -s /proc/self/mounts /etc/mtab | 15:35 |
| Paimen | ok now it is at least doing something | 15:37 |
| Paimen | and damn I need to reorganise my stuff | 15:37 |
| Paimen | we did renovation in house and all my stuff is scattered around | 15:37 |
| lbt | *G* | 15:39 |
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| Paimen | but well sister-in-law popped to visit and that means staying out of sight | 15:43 |
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| Paimen | ok it seems to finished correctly | 15:46 |
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| kyyberi | lbt: updated version (ruby + rubygems still from source) with database and apache2/passanger http://pastebin.com/vbbYtT7D | 15:48 |
| kyyberi | in the Passenger part, modify the path "PassengerRoot /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/gems/passenger-3.0.7" to versions installed | 15:50 |
| lbt | ok | 15:51 |
| kyyberi | same in "LoadModule" just before that | 15:51 |
| Paimen | ok found usb-stick next question is where the hell is WeTab and power adapter | 15:53 |
| kyyberi | lbt: another mod in Database setup "sudo aptitude install libmysql-ruby1.8" should be "sudo aptitude install libmysql-ruby1.9.1" | 15:56 |
| kyyberi | that's about it. Can't verify those though without doing that my self | 15:56 |
| kyyberi | but that should get you started | 15:57 |
| lbt | np ... working on it in spare cycles | 15:57 |
| kyyberi | ok | 15:57 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: this Wetab has fan | 15:58 |
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| Paimen | lbt: ok this | 16:09 |
| Paimen | blah, this wetab booted to mer | 16:10 |
| lbt | good :) | 16:10 |
| lbt | and can you ssh in as mer@hostname? | 16:10 |
| Paimen | nope, I think something is wrong with wlan setup | 16:11 |
| lbt | check your dhcp server to see if there's an IP allocated | 16:12 |
| Paimen | doing that and it seems nope | 16:12 |
| lbt | :/ this part is a bit of a nuisance | 16:12 |
| Paimen | indeed | 16:12 |
| lbt | double check the passphrase and ssid in the .ks-phrased | 16:13 |
| lbt | also, that's a wetab, not an exopc - *should* work but.... | 16:13 |
| Paimen | is there anyway to set ifconfig up for usb ? | 16:14 |
| lbt | probably - I've not done that yet | 16:14 |
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| Paimen | ok no male to male usb-cable so I try to go with usb-eth | 16:58 |
| Paimen | if I find adapter | 16:58 |
| lbt | connman should pick that up | 16:58 |
| Paimen | lbt: I mean physical adapter | 16:59 |
| lbt | yeah - if you find one connman should work with it | 16:59 |
| alterego | lbt: unresolvable: nothing provides %{_bindir}/desktop-file-install | 17:00 |
| alterego | any idea? | 17:00 |
| * lbt holds fingers to temples and squints in an attempt to penetrate alterego's mind-shield | 17:01 | |
| lbt | nope, still no clue what you're on about.... | 17:01 |
| alterego | osc build fails with that :/ | 17:02 |
| lbt | ah... | 17:02 |
| alterego | Must be missing a dependency, wonder what provides that .. | 17:02 |
| lbt | osc build of? | 17:02 |
| alterego | My new dialer package :P | 17:02 |
| lbt | .spec? | 17:03 |
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| lbt | alterego: ? | 17:06 |
| lbt | can you show me your .spec file | 17:06 |
| alterego | Ang on, think I've sorted it ;) | 17:06 |
| lbt | OK - I suspect something gconf-ey? | 17:07 |
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| lbt | and it detected that being used in the %post section? | 17:07 |
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| lbt | kyyberi: btw - I have my local ror mainly setup now I think - I need your gem to try it now | 17:23 |
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| Paimen | lbt: no luck it migth be that because it has been hacked to support steelrat there is something different in kernel or somewhere and I'm not able to enable networking | 17:27 |
| lbt | well, the next thing is to replace the mer-ux with an xterm | 17:27 |
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| lbt | and then plug in a usb keyb and debug | 17:28 |
| Paimen | well I alredy plugged in kb and used alt+ctrl+f3 to log in terminal | 17:29 |
| lbt | ah good | 17:29 |
| lbt | wasn't sure that was setup | 17:30 |
| Paimen | hmm it does not even find eth0 with ifconfig | 17:30 |
| lbt | dmesg | 17:31 |
| Paimen | what you like to know from there and it seems there is no less | 17:32 |
| kyyberi | lbt: it's not a gem yet :) | 17:33 |
| lbt | just look for wlan and eth - there is 'more' I think | 17:33 |
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| kyyberi | my implementation uses lots of other gems and my part is scattered (includes several new models) and it might be a long way (and time) to put that neatly in one gem including all needed automation to make it work 'as is' | 17:35 |
| kyyberi | unfortunately | 17:36 |
| lbt | sure - tarball then - whatever :) | 17:36 |
| kyyberi | :) | 17:36 |
| Paimen | lbt no eth or wlan on dmesg | 17:37 |
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| kyyberi | I'll drop a tarbal of the whole | 17:37 |
| lbt | Paimen: so that kinda explains it | 17:37 |
| Paimen | indeed | 17:37 |
| lbt | kyyberi: or just push a commit to github | 17:37 |
| lbt | we can blat it later and start clean if you ever want to | 17:37 |
| kyyberi | ok | 17:37 |
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| Paimen | i'm bit noob on trying to get devices working. Normally just following instructions, Monkey sees monkey does | 17:38 |
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| lbt | yeah - you're at a reasonable point now | 17:43 |
| lbt | obviously it looks like the wetab needs specific support in the HA | 17:44 |
| Paimen | well we have Steelrat working on wetab nicely, so I can check from our wizards is there anything I should know | 17:45 |
| Paimen | or do | 17:45 |
| Paimen | but well not working currently so | 17:45 |
| lbt | it should just be kernel config | 17:46 |
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| Paimen | well if it helps this has vmlinuz kernel running | 17:47 |
| lbt | nah, we need someone who knows what kernel version/modules are needed for wetab | 17:49 |
| lbt | bbiam | 17:49 |
| Venemo | what happened to rcg? anyone seen him lately? | 18:01 |
| Paimen | ah well time to take dogs for a walk and maybe I'm done for today | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: .za trip | 18:03 |
| Venemo | hm | 18:03 |
| Venemo | :) | 18:03 |
| shanxS | hello everyone ! | 18:04 |
| Venemo | hi! :) | 18:06 |
| shanxS | hey Venemo | 18:07 |
| shanxS | I am trying to build this package mer-core/iproute | 18:07 |
| shanxS | but I am kinda stuck, I am following instructions from <- https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail#Build | 18:08 |
| shanxS | 'osc chroot i586 *.spec' constantly give me this error <- http://pastebin.com/4jr2heBJ | 18:09 |
| shanxS | of course 'su' exists in my system on path /bin/su | 18:09 |
| shanxS | chroot is on path /usr/bin/chroot, so I tried making a link to su in /usr/bin/su | 18:10 |
| shanxS | but to no avail... | 18:10 |
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| Venemo | shanxS: I think Stskeeps is your man | 18:11 |
| shanxS | Stskeeps, hey! | 18:11 |
| shanxS | doesnt look like Stskeeps is here... :( | 18:14 |
| shanxS | is there anyone who can help this n00b ?? | 18:15 |
| Venemo | patience. | 18:15 |
| Venemo | I'm sure he'll help when he has some time :) | 18:15 |
| shanxS | hmm.. people on thins channel have been very accomodating lately :) | 18:16 |
| shanxS | *this | 18:16 |
| lbt | shanxS: it's your ~/,oscrc | 18:17 |
| shanxS | lbt, how should I go about it ? | 18:17 |
| * lbt is currently eating tea - edit the file and read the comments :) | 18:18 | |
| shanxS | sure, thanks lbt :) | 18:18 |
| lbt | np ... wife is growling,,,,, bbiab | 18:18 |
| shanxS | lol | 18:18 |
| * andre__ tries some weird stuff in Mer Bugzilla | 18:20 | |
| andre__ | anybody having two minutes to test something? lbt or so? | 18:24 |
| andre__ | or iekku... | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | iekku's outside smoking | 18:25 |
| andre__ | haha | 18:25 |
| andre__ | okay, Stskeeps maybe? | 18:25 |
| phaeron | shanxS: did you try doing osc build first ? | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | i can't find my computer mouse, so it can't involve dragging | 18:25 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, np. see my private message | 18:26 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: did you notice earlier mentioning that my WeTab has fan | 18:26 |
| iekku | :D | 18:26 |
| CosmoHill | hi iekku et Stskeeps | 18:28 |
| kyyberi | lbt: https://github.com/kyyberi/Meet-Mer | 18:28 |
| iekku | i saw 2 awesome guys 5 minutes ago | 18:29 |
| iekku | they even speaked to me | 18:29 |
| iekku | spoked? | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | spoke | 18:30 |
| iekku | me no english | 18:30 |
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| phaeron | y u no elgize | 18:30 |
| shanxS | phaeron: yup, I did that and it seemingly worked <- http://pastebin.com/H5UCp4Pn | 18:31 |
| shanxS | phaeron, but specify *yaml failed <- http://pastebin.com/R0K2akaB | 18:31 |
| phaeron | shanxS: that didn't really build as shown by the BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys | 18:33 |
| phaeron | shanxS: add a --no-verify | 18:33 |
| MuJ | aaaa finnish invasion | 18:33 |
| * shanxS doing that .. | 18:33 | |
| phaeron | then your chroot will have files in it :) | 18:34 |
| * lbt back | 18:34 | |
| iekku | MuJ, ? | 18:34 |
| lbt | andre__: you sorted with Stskeeps? | 18:34 |
| lbt | kyyberi: ta - will pull | 18:35 |
| andre__ | lbt, all done, thanks | 18:35 |
| iekku | andre__, what did you do? | 18:35 |
| iekku | do i even want to know? | 18:35 |
| iekku | :) | 18:35 |
| andre__ | iekku, no, you don't. | 18:35 |
| andre__ | fixing bug 18 | 18:35 |
| andre__ | but needed a tester, to not create a third Bugzilla account ;) | 18:35 |
| iekku | andre__, should you test with someone who's not a admin? | 18:36 |
| andre__ | iekku, I did with my second account who has default permissions | 18:36 |
| iekku | andre__, oh, ok | 18:37 |
| kyyberi | lbt: just noticed that my implementation uses sqlite3, so a little changes must be done to define correct adapter in config/database.yml | 18:37 |
| lbt | np - I can do that | 18:38 |
| kyyberi | great | 18:38 |
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| shanxS | phaeron, almost there... but it complains about an error <- http://pastebin.com/g330QhrT | 18:46 |
| phaeron | err.. wth | 18:47 |
| shanxS | sorry for bothering you so much... but am I missing something ? | 18:48 |
| phaeron | I am saying wth at the errors.. never seen them before :D | 18:49 |
| shanxS | ohh.. | 18:49 |
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| shanxS | but 'osc chroot ...' works now.. | 18:52 |
| phaeron | yeah it should as I said , but the errors are interesting :D | 18:55 |
| shanxS | cool.. :) | 18:55 |
| shanxS | one more thing.. do I need to do 'osc ar' and 'osc ci' inside this chroot ? | 18:56 |
| shanxS | because this chroot cant fing osc <- http://pastebin.com/nqdpK7hH | 18:56 |
| shanxS | but when I exit this chroot (back to MerSdk) and do 'osc ar' and 'osc ci'. I get <- http://pastebin.com/LTUd3yYu | 18:57 |
| shanxS | is that all ?? | 18:57 |
| shanxS | I mean, I am working on <- https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi | 18:58 |
| shanxS | so how should I proceed now ? | 18:58 |
| shanxS | *https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254 | 18:58 |
| phaeron | shanxS: the osc chroot is just to play around with the compiling | 18:59 |
| kyyberi | going #elsewhere for some time, cy | 18:59 |
| phaeron | shanxS: and after osc ci the files go to obs , if they build successfully then you need to continue with the contribution guide and submit changes in gerrit | 18:59 |
| shanxS | okay, so do I also need to compile osc chroot ? | 19:00 |
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| phaeron | err , when you did osc build it tried to compile the package (which failed). osc chroot is to go and see why it failed and try to fix it . | 19:01 |
| shanxS | alrighty.. cool | 19:02 |
| phaeron | now that you pushed the modified files to obs , go and check it the built successfuly or not | 19:03 |
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| shanxS | phaeron, alrighty.. doing that :) | 19:06 |
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| lbt | kyyberi: I'm getting a deployment guide together libxml2-dev libxslt-dev | 19:07 |
| kyyberi | ? | 19:09 |
| lbt | nokogiri native build-deps | 19:09 |
| kyyberi | as long as nokogiri will be there. I believe it's needed only for creating the seeds | 19:10 |
| kyyberi | I haven't used it elsewhere | 19:11 |
| kyyberi | but wit rails you never know what it actually uses and where | 19:12 |
| shanxS | phaeron, yeah.. 'osc buildlog Mer_Core_i486 i586' shows RPM build errors | 19:12 |
| shanxS | I am trying to resolve the errors.. lets see what I can get | 19:12 |
| shanxS | than | 19:13 |
| shanxS | phaeron: thanks for helping :) | 19:13 |
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| phaeron | shanxS: welcome :) | 19:22 |
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| lbt | kyyberi: running :) | 19:25 |
| kyyberi | really!? | 19:25 |
| kyyberi | lbt: you rock! | 19:25 |
| lbt | kinda | 19:25 |
| kyyberi | :) | 19:25 |
| kyyberi | needs seeds probably | 19:26 |
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| lbt | Gemfile needed mysql | 19:26 |
| kyyberi | ah | 19:26 |
| lbt | needed db:migrate | 19:26 |
| lbt | just using webrick atm, not fusion | 19:26 |
| kyyberi | yeah | 19:26 |
| lbt | seeds? | 19:27 |
| kyyberi | for database as content | 19:27 |
| lbt | yeah - how? | 19:27 |
| kyyberi | those are generated | 19:27 |
| kyyberi | in /MerMeet/SeedGenerators | 19:27 |
| kyyberi | hups sorry | 19:28 |
| kyyberi | there are just the generators :) | 19:28 |
| kyyberi | the seeds are at app/db | 19:28 |
| kyyberi | take for example seeds.meetings, rename it to seeds.rb and run "rake db:seeds" | 19:29 |
| kyyberi | or copy | 19:30 |
| lbt | so there's one seeds.rb which looks like packages | 19:30 |
| kyyberi | it is | 19:30 |
| kyyberi | you can run it first | 19:31 |
| kyyberi | haven't tested it yet though | 19:31 |
| lbt | Don't know how to build task 'db:seeds' | 19:31 |
| kyyberi | hmm | 19:33 |
| kyyberi | and rake is installed? | 19:34 |
| lbt | yes | 19:35 |
| kyyberi | ah! damn it, try without the last 's' | 19:35 |
| kyyberi | the package list will fail | 19:36 |
| lbt | *g* I tried db/seeds, seeds etc | 19:36 |
| kyyberi | :) | 19:36 |
| lbt | unknown attribute: murl | 19:37 |
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| kyyberi | you probably need to run database migrate with specific version | 19:39 |
| kyyberi | sec | 19:39 |
| kyyberi | actually no, I have missed something. Either grep the 'murl' to 'url in the seed file or modify migrate model. First one is easier :) | 19:41 |
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| kyyberi | all 'murl' -> 'url' | 19:42 |
| kyyberi | (need to fix generator) | 19:43 |
| lbt | nah, you're using murl in the templates too | 19:43 |
| lbt | tada!!! | 19:44 |
| lbt | (was in index.html.haml) | 19:44 |
| kyyberi | true | 19:44 |
| lbt | and app/views/meetings/show.html.haml too | 19:45 |
| lbt | but ... a little git pull will fix that once it's sorted | 19:45 |
| kyyberi | yeah :) | 19:45 |
| lbt | so the main thing I'm looking for here is to have as much independence as possible between the various modules | 19:46 |
| kyyberi | ok | 19:46 |
| lbt | so the packages development should be almost completely discrete from meetings | 19:46 |
| lbt | is that do-able? | 19:46 |
| kyyberi | not much 'belongs_to' routes then | 19:46 |
| kyyberi | lbt those two can absolutely | 19:47 |
| lbt | I can see things like releases etc too | 19:47 |
| kyyberi | yeah, that's one the TODO list | 19:47 |
| kyyberi | *on | 19:47 |
| lbt | I'm also quite interested in integrating this into OBS | 19:48 |
| kyyberi | *gulp* | 19:48 |
| lbt | well, not sure that's doable either | 19:48 |
| kyyberi | perhaps try at some point. First get some 'basic' stuff working | 19:49 |
| lbt | it may not be the right approach | 19:49 |
| lbt | *nod* | 19:49 |
| kyyberi | so, what do you think about the little app? | 19:50 |
| kyyberi | the code is butt ugly and needs simplifying | 19:50 |
| kyyberi | refactoring with strong hand | 19:50 |
| lbt | visual and functionally it's useful :) | 19:51 |
| kyyberi | yay | 19:51 |
| kyyberi | the users need to be added too, roles are there already | 19:51 |
| lbt | well, users needs tying to ldap | 19:51 |
| kyyberi | ok | 19:52 |
| * kyyberi puts that on the TODO list | 19:52 | |
| lbt | there's code in OBS to do that (some of which I hammered to fit) | 19:52 |
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| kyyberi | lbt: great! | 19:53 |
| lbt | tbh I'm not sure it needs users atm | 19:53 |
| lbt | I'd like to focus on data presentation | 19:53 |
| kyyberi | someone possibly needs to do some admin stuff. Not atm but most likely at some point. | 19:54 |
| lbt | could we run a differentbackend for that? | 19:54 |
| kyyberi | sure | 19:54 |
| lbt | good, I'd rather not worry about security | 19:54 |
| kyyberi | besides the implementation lacks the background jobs which update content | 19:55 |
| lbt | *nod* | 19:55 |
| lbt | nb we use ruote to handle workflow | 19:56 |
| lbt | come across it? | 19:56 |
| kyyberi | nope | 19:56 |
| lbt | ok - nm, it will allow us to handle external events (perform tasks) such as import_new_release | 19:57 |
| kyyberi | ok :) | 19:57 |
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| lbt | so thanks, this is rather nice - I should be able to deploy it easily in future now | 19:58 |
| kyyberi | np, I'll continue developing it when ever I have time | 19:58 |
| lbt | I think some work on slimming down would probably be sensible, yes | 19:58 |
| lbt | I'd like to get something that's meetings-only done first - that way there's no errors on some links | 19:59 |
| lbt | it honestly looks like that's almost done | 20:00 |
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| kyyberi | yep | 20:00 |
| kyyberi | anyway, glad that my little ruby/rails exercise was found somewhat useful. Need to go for the night. | 20:02 |
| lbt | o/ | 20:02 |
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| ulf` | http://www.bgr.com/2012/07/16/jolla-interview-ceo-jussi-hurmola-meego/ | 22:40 |
| ulf` | Way to go guys! | 22:40 |
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| crevetor | hey guys | 22:57 |
| crevetor | where can I found the kickstarter yaml files for mer-core ? | 22:58 |
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