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| trip0 | i guess making images with zypp doesn't work? | 01:22 |
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| sonach | lbt: have sent the feedback to you, please check the email :) | 03:31 |
| iekku | morning | 03:36 |
| trip0 | w00t, mer booting on the beaglebone! | 03:51 |
| trip0 | can't login though :( | 03:54 |
| trip0 | doesn't seem to accept my password | 04:00 |
| trip0 | localhost login: mer | 04:01 |
| trip0 | Password: | 04:01 |
| trip0 | login: timed out after 60 seconds | 04:01 |
| trip0 | dbus isn't starting either | 04:01 |
| trip0 | Stskeeps, ! | 04:01 |
| trip0 | lol | 04:01 |
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| trip0 | trying May's release | 04:06 |
| trip0 | "Failed to start Login Service [FAILED] (systemd-logind.service) | 04:13 |
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| Stskeeps | trip0: kernel version? | 05:05 |
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| trip0 | Stskeeps, 3.2.4 | 05:09 |
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| Stskeeps | trip0: show me .config ? | 05:10 |
| trip0 | Stskeeps, sure, 2 secs | 05:11 |
| trip0 | it's a ubuntu kernel | 05:12 |
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| trip0 | Stskeeps, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1087362/ | 05:12 |
| trip0 | brb, milk run | 05:13 |
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| Stskeeps | trip0: add systemd.log_level=debug systemd.log_target=console | 05:14 |
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| E-P | morning | 05:25 |
| Stskeeps | morn E-P o/ | 05:25 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: it's incredible how many people has touched TDriver, btw | 05:27 |
| Stskeeps | when looking around on linkedin, it's mentioned a lot | 05:27 |
| Paimen | well it seems to be used a lot where ever qt is used for ux | 05:28 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: also people that hasn't worked for nokia? | 05:28 |
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| Stskeeps | E-P: well, subcontractors ;) | 05:29 |
| Stskeeps | morn denism | 05:29 |
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| Stskeeps | but there's a lot of people out there who know how to use it | 05:29 |
| E-P | froglogic is another popular tool for qt UI testing, but that is commercial | 05:30 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 05:30 |
| E-P | I like it, mainly it works pretty well and it is easy to fix and modify | 05:30 |
| Stskeeps | what company made froglogic? | 05:30 |
| Paimen | well after you get know how to utilize it is verstile tool | 05:30 |
| Paimen | you can do just automatic FuTe or harness it to be core of benchmarking | 05:31 |
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| E-P | Stskeeps: the homepage says "froglogic was founded in 2003 by Reginald Stadlbauer and Harri Porten" | 05:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:32 |
| Stskeeps | could be good to make a guide on 'using tdriver with your qt based mer system' | 05:32 |
| Stskeeps | i guess materials already exist out there | 05:33 |
| E-P | Paimen: yep, very simple tool and works pretty well | 05:33 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: I talked with my colleague this week and we possibly can contribute some instructions from our internal wiki | 05:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that'd be cool | 05:33 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to join the QA meeting later today | 05:33 |
| Paimen | still need to talk with our managers, but I think it should not be problem | 05:34 |
| Paimen | also we have plugin that allows one to measure gpu utilisation % measuring on intel hw | 05:34 |
| Paimen | what time it is=? | 05:34 |
| Stskeeps | ie, mesa-using intel hw? | 05:34 |
| E-P | Paimen: 12 UTC, 15 finnish time | 05:35 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: yup | 05:35 |
| Paimen | it works nicely on wetab at least | 05:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:35 |
| Stskeeps | that could be interesting too | 05:36 |
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| Paimen | grah, that time is bit hard to me, but I can try to come and hang around at least and read backlog | 05:36 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: phaeron: http://pastie.org/4241970 | 05:37 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: first one is probably due to a bad old project state | 05:37 |
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| lbt | morning | 05:43 |
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| lbt | it's sunny ... I think it woke me up early :) | 05:43 |
| E-P | good morning lbt | 05:43 |
| lbt | hey E-P | 05:44 |
| sonach | morning, lbt :) | 05:44 |
| lbt | hey sonach | 05:44 |
| sonach | and morning, E-P :) | 05:44 |
| lbt | rare we're around at the same time | 05:44 |
| E-P | morning sonach :) | 05:45 |
| sonach | yes | 05:45 |
| lbt | sonach: got your email ... looking | 05:45 |
| lbt | I hope to redo the Mer website really soon maybe this weekend | 05:46 |
| sonach | lbt: ok. you mean the Mer wiki ? | 05:46 |
| lbt | no, www.merproject.org | 05:46 |
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| lbt | basically to be more appealing to "phb"s | 05:46 |
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| * lbt waits for sonach to ask what a phb is :) | 05:47 | |
| sonach | lbt: hehe ,yes :P | 05:47 |
| sonach | so what a phb is ? | 05:48 |
| lbt | do you know Dilbert cartoon? | 05:48 |
| sonach | lbt: so Dilbert is a person who loves technology very much? | 05:49 |
| lbt | yes, and from that cartoon, phb is "Pointy Hair Boss" .... more interested in management speak and appearance than technology ... but sadly makes the business decisions so we just keep them happy :D | 05:50 |
| Paimen | :P | 05:50 |
| lbt | so basically I need to make the website more appealing to those people | 05:50 |
| Paimen | lbt: good point | 05:50 |
| * lbt admits to having been a half-phb | 05:51 | |
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| Paimen | so you have pointy hair just on one side of head? | 05:51 |
| lbt | Paimen: yeah - and sooner is better too | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: any opinion on pastie? | 05:52 |
| lbt | looking | 05:52 |
| lbt | is it a single pure paste? | 05:53 |
| sonach | lbt: yes. Now mer website is so plain that it only appeals to programmers like me :P | 05:53 |
| lbt | and what was the time period? | 05:53 |
| lbt | any timeout | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: not that terribly long | 05:53 |
| lbt | sonach: indeed :) | 05:53 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i think it may have finished actually | 05:54 |
| lbt | the proxy thing is a tad concerning | 05:54 |
| lbt | no hangs though? | 05:54 |
| lbt | we ran 'ab' against it last night | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | no hangs so far | 05:55 |
| lbt | honestly we were so tired when we had it responding that neither of us could make a prjcopy work | 05:56 |
| lbt | and yeah , grant me admin - I was too tired to hack it :) | 05:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok, moment | 05:56 |
| lbt | we'll do ldap with groups 'soon' | 05:56 |
| lbt | also it's now https only (as you may have spotted) | 05:57 |
| lbt | and I disabled the tspre.org stuff | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:57 |
| lbt | we had a *slight* suspicion that we could have been subject to a DoS attack | 05:57 |
| lbt | half-syn or something | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | does copyprj send a "OK" when done? | 05:58 |
| trip0 | Stskeeps, still no go. login times out | 05:58 |
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| trip0 | dbus is failing to start as well.. | 05:58 |
| lbt | no clue atm - I've not reviewed this re-write | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so we're still at my obs package + patch from phaeron? | 05:59 |
| lbt | I think so | 05:59 |
| lbt | our plan today is to package new OBS | 05:59 |
| lbt | and deploy | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | trip0: yes, the error messages? | 05:59 |
| lbt | trip0: have you seen https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started | 06:00 |
| lbt | (not sure if you have wifi on that device) | 06:00 |
| trip0 | no wifi atm | 06:00 |
| lbt | OK | 06:00 |
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| trip0 | Stskeeps, the systemd.log_level=debug systemd.log_target=console are kernel args right? | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | cmdline | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: admin assigned, if i didn't say already | 06:04 |
| lbt | OK | 06:06 |
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| trip0 | Stskeeps, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1087429/ | 06:10 |
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| trip0 | wonder why dbus is dying... | 06:12 |
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| Stskeeps | trip0: show me .ks? | 06:18 |
| trip0 | 2 secs | 06:18 |
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| trip0 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1087436/ | 06:19 |
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| Stskeeps | hello ilovemeego | 06:22 |
| Stskeeps | trip0: hmm | 06:22 |
| Stskeeps | trip0: root/rootme works or not? | 06:23 |
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| trip0 | Stskeeps, nope :( | 06:28 |
| trip0 | same timeout | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | trip0: hmm | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | trip0: what console= do you have? | 06:29 |
| trip0 | console=ttyO0,115200n8 | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | O0? that's new | 06:32 |
| trip0 | yeh, i was just thinking that | 06:32 |
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| Stskeeps | trip0: i don't know right now, check dbus is in packages? | 06:37 |
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| Stskeeps | hello pippo60gd :) | 06:48 |
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| pippo60gd | hello | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | pippo60gd: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 06:48 |
| trip0 | Stskeeps, you think dbus may be missing? | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | trip0: worth checking | 06:50 |
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| trip0 | kk | 06:50 |
| pippo60gd | I wanted information on the possibility of being able to use devices on Wed allwinner a10 | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | trip0: and run me through how you installed the image onto SD | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | pippo60gd: should be possible, allwinner a10 is cortex-a9 ? | 06:50 |
| pippo60gd | cortex-a8 | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | close enough | 06:51 |
| trip0 | Stskeeps, dbus is there... at least the binaries are | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | mer has a armv7-a port, so should work fine on cortex-a8 | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | pippo60gd: give it a try :) but you need to lift the hardware adaptation burden yourself | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | ie, package kernel, add graphics drivers, etc | 06:51 |
| pippo60gd | gpu of allwiner is mali-400. | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:53 |
| trip0 | Stskeeps, I ran a "setup-card.sh" script on the rootfs which created fat32 and ext4 partition on the card, copied over the rootfs and ubuntu kernel and friends (uboot, etc). | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | trip0: ok, tell me the rootfs copying part? | 06:53 |
| trip0 | then I manually copied the modules and firmware from the ubuntu rootfs | 06:53 |
| trip0 | Stskeeps, looks like the script does a "tar --numeric-owner --preserve-permissions -${DECOM} - -C ${TEMPDIR}/disk/" | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | that should work | 06:54 |
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| Stskeeps | can you check that the disk wasn't accidently mounted nosuid/nodev? | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | by your os | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | when that was happening | 06:54 |
| pippo60gd | spark tablet has the same gpu. I can use the gpu drivers of spark? | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | pippo60gd: not likely, use gpu drivers from allwinner devices | 06:56 |
| * Sage_ is starting to get annoyed by the slowness of Mer wiki :/ | 06:57 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: screen record it? | 06:58 |
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| Sage_ | it takes ~20s for each page to load | 06:58 |
| trip0 | Sage_, confirmed | 06:59 |
| E-P | Sage_: for me the wiki works well | 06:59 |
| Sage_ | E-P: no delay at all? | 06:59 |
| lbt | Sage_: over a 1.6Mb ADSL link here: http://pastie.org/4242222 | 06:59 |
| E-P | Sage_: not really, even when I am signed in | 07:00 |
| pippo60gd | 2d drivers are ok, but the 3d is closed source. | 07:00 |
| lbt | Time taken for tests: 10.489 seconds (all 50 page loads) | 07:00 |
| Sage_ | "The database is currently locked to new entries and other modifications, probably for routine database maintenance, after which it will be back to normal." | 07:01 |
| lbt | ! | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: be just went arse slow | 07:01 |
| trip0 | http://pastie.org/4242228 | 07:01 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: possibly whilst trip0 stressed it :) | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | OK, who's DoS'ing our infra | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:02 |
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| Stskeeps | pippo60gd: right, which is one reason why we have hardware adaptations external to mer, so you can deal with 3d drivers your own way | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | hi rare_ o/ | 07:03 |
| lbt | there's a copyproj happening which may be hitting fe/be also on phost1 | 07:03 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: that finished already though | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok, now better | 07:03 |
| lbt | no, mine I think | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 07:03 |
| lbt | 20120712T090322 GET be.in.merproject.org:5352/source/Core:0.20120719.0.0.2:i486/xorg-x11-proto-renderproto 200 | 07:03 |
| lbt | 20120712T090323 POST be.in.merproject.org:5352/source/Core:0.20120719.0.0.2:i486/xorg-x11-proto-renderproto?cmd=diff&orev=0&onlyissues=1&linkrev=base&view=xml | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | that's me having fun | 07:03 |
| lbt | so it's all Stskeeps' fault :) | 07:04 |
| trip0 | lol | 07:04 |
| lbt | I do have a plan to make better use of HW | 07:04 |
| lbt | but it's down the list - end of next week probably | 07:04 |
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| lbt | currently we just get occasional slowdowns | 07:04 |
| Sage_ | E-P: well, that ab works fine. My browser on the other hand doesn't | 07:05 |
| pippo60gd | Stskeeps: where can I find a guide for installation? | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | pippo60gd: start out with getting mer platform SDK, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 07:05 |
| tanuk2 | Stskeeps: mer-general doesn't seem to be archived by gmane.org yet. I like the Gmane interface more than mail-archive.com. Do you mind if I add mer-general to Gmane? | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk2: feel free | 07:06 |
| Sage_ | ... firefox is slow, konqueror works fast | 07:06 |
| tanuk2 | Thanks! | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk2: it keeps us honest to have external archives | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | meaning, we don't go and remove or censor old mailing list posts | 07:06 |
| trip0 | beaglebone consumes like 1W idling at the login prompt. lol | 07:06 |
| lbt | *cough* | 07:06 |
| trip0 | pretty dang good | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | like *cough* other open projects | 07:06 |
| * trip0 whistles and pretends | 07:07 | |
| Sage_ | can someone else do comparison with firefox and some other browser to our wiki. Just wondering if it is my firefox or just firefox in general that has the issue. | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | i use chrome personally | 07:07 |
| dm8tbr | trip0: umm, is that a kernel with proper PM? | 07:07 |
| * lbt uses firefox | 07:07 | |
| E-P | Sage_: I use firefox 13.0.1 | 07:08 |
| pippo60gd | Stskeeps:thanks! | 07:08 |
| lbt | 10.0.5 | 07:08 |
| Sage_ | 13.0.1 here | 07:08 |
| trip0 | dm8tbr, no. PM isn't implemented on the beaglebone iirc | 07:08 |
| lbt | Sage_: got firebug? | 07:08 |
| Sage_ | so my firefox :) | 07:08 |
| lbt | f12 then open net tab | 07:08 |
| lbt | then reload | 07:08 |
| lbt | will give you stats on wtf is going on | 07:08 |
| Sage_ | restarted firefox and now it works fine :P | 07:09 |
| E-P | restart fixes everything | 07:09 |
| lbt | *sigh* ,,,, my poor infra always gets the blame :D | 07:09 |
| * lbt quickly hides evidence of reboot | 07:09 | |
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| lbt | bbiab | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'd really like somehow to have blocking mode work of copyprj if possible (phaeron may be better to ask) | 07:11 |
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| Stskeeps | or some way to track if it's done, asnc | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | async | 07:12 |
| dm8tbr | trip0: yup, that's why I asked :) | 07:13 |
| trip0 | dm8tbr, u think it can go lower? | 07:13 |
| dm8tbr | trip0: I'd expect it to idle in the range of 2-20mA yes | 07:13 |
| dm8tbr | just like an OMAP | 07:13 |
| trip0 | o_O that'd be a dream | 07:14 |
| dm8tbr | while I don't know about the peripherals etc. still <100mA should be easy at full idle | 07:14 |
| trip0 | need to get total system under 500mA | 07:15 |
| trip0 | including 3G | 07:15 |
| dm8tbr | that might be challenging | 07:15 |
| trip0 | i know 3G can eat up to 300mA easy | 07:15 |
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| dm8tbr | as 3G can burst up to 700mA easily | 07:15 |
| dm8tbr | basically there will be a direct relation between the node-B field strenght and power consumption | 07:17 |
| trip0 | i'll have to do some tricks to get it to average 500mA during the day | 07:18 |
| trip0 | solar panel in the car only outputs up to 500mA | 07:18 |
| dm8tbr | you might want to consider GSM instead. but trying out will show what's the better option | 07:19 |
| trip0 | tru | 07:19 |
| trip0 | eight. sleep time. later! | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | night! | 07:20 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: yes, it really needs to run async with a query - it would be too dependent on a long tcp connection for sync to be the right solution | 07:28 |
| lbt | we do have events | 07:29 |
| lbt | so a publish of a copyprj complete event would be correct IMHO | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: is zathras and fe on same phost? | 07:30 |
| lbt | yes | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:31 |
| lbt | they wont be according to the new phost plan | 07:32 |
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| Stskeeps | i may want to move out MDS from be too | 07:33 |
| lbt | yes | 07:33 |
| lbt | for sure | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | to up perf a bit | 07:33 |
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| Stskeeps | hello totte :) | 07:37 |
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| totte | Hi, I'm having some issues with my iPhone and am looking for something Linux-ish alternative that is actively developed. | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | totte: well, we're being actively developed here at least :) | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | totte: if you have any questions on Mer, or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | else feel free to hang out :) | 07:44 |
| phaeron | morning | 07:44 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: you get an <ok> after it is done | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | good morning phaeron | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ok, but i don't get that over wire for some reason | 07:44 |
| totte | I'd use Android but I always had a hard time with Java. Python and Qt are easier for me to grasp. I understand though that Mer isn't widely available as of now? | 07:44 |
| phaeron | I get that when using the osc api command | 07:44 |
| totte | Stskeeps: Thanks. :) | 07:45 |
| phaeron | it could be the osc command you or lbt implemented eating it | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: see pastie above | 07:45 |
| phaeron | I have no idea what it means , probably you tried that target project before ? | 07:47 |
| phaeron | and it is in broken state ? | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | no, the second part of paste | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | the first one is likely just a broken state | 07:47 |
| phaeron | the second one also doesn't mean anything , could be your nice proxy server not being patient enough | 07:48 |
| phaeron | bbl | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 07:48 |
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| totte | I don't quite understand - why can't I just download a CD image and install Mer onto a mobile phone, like I would with Fedora, Debian etc. and a PC? | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | totte: because cellphones don't work that way, sadly | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | totte: a PC is much more standardized than mobile phones - a lot of custom hardware, different types of modems, etc | 08:02 |
| Jope | and not enough space to have drivers for everything just sitting around | 08:02 |
| Paimen | and even with Pc you might end up with not working GPU or other peripheral | 08:03 |
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| dm8tbr | car analogy: pc: new OS is like changing tyres; smart phone, it's like changing the engine | 08:03 |
| totte | So getting to use Mer depends on getting a phone built for it? | 08:03 |
| Jope | or porting mer to said phone | 08:04 |
| dm8tbr | or one where people have put the work into creating the HA layer | 08:04 |
| Paimen | Mer depends to have HW adaptation for device and means to install OS to it | 08:04 |
| Sage_ | alterego: ping #nemomobile ;) | 08:04 |
| lbt | off out for the morning -- bbl8r | 08:06 |
| totte | Okay, so what's the difference between Mer and Nemo Mobile (which I read about on the wiki)? I thought Mer was a Linux distribution as well? | 08:07 |
| Paimen | Nemo adds HW adaptation and UX | 08:07 |
| Paimen | Nemo = Mer + Hw-adaptation + UI basically | 08:07 |
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| totte | Okay. So Nemo is sort of the finished product from the community, but others could spring up from vendors? | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | right | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | others have plasma active | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | which doesnt have anything to do with nemo | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | or even GNOME stack on to | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | p | 08:14 |
| * timoph wouldn't call nemo finished | 08:15 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that too | 08:15 |
| totte | Oh I thought that was hardware. So there's Nemo, Plasma Active and Cordia? Is Nemo some sort of internal project since it has no website of its own? | 08:15 |
| Sage_ | lbt, Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=bluez&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7l&repository=Mer_Core_armv7l | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | it's just incubating | 08:16 |
| Sage_ | link project seems work quite ok, but armv7l seems to have that kind of issue | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: do link project with i586 instead | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | is maybe better | 08:16 |
| timoph | it's meego community edition's continuation rebased to mer | 08:17 |
| timoph | (and needs a new ui layer :)) | 08:18 |
| timoph | kraah. 40 mins early at the station | 08:19 |
| totte | Ahh, Cordia has a GNOME UI, Plasma Active has a KDE UI and Nemo has an UI based on MeeGo - which is something else. | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | starting to see a pattern? :P | 08:25 |
| totte | How does Android compare to Mer? Is Android just a base or is it like Nemo etc? | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | android is usually full stack | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | ui, hw adaptation, core | 08:25 |
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| Stskeeps | mer's just a core and does things differently, comes with systems | 08:26 |
| anidel | morning | 08:26 |
| anidel | o/ | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | morn anidel o/ | 08:26 |
| anidel | Stskeeps: I am trying to have X not to start up and have a simply getty, I think I had getty to show up, but I was checking where we tell X to start. Is it systemd? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | anidel: uxlaunch does this normally | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | on n950/n9 you cannot expect a fbcon | 08:29 |
| anidel | ah! I knew it, I thought it just contained the uxlaunch-er and then systemd would take care of launching it. Ok...ta | 08:30 |
| anidel | it's on the N900 | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | uxlaunch launches x | 08:30 |
| anidel | ok | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | in future, systemd will do all uxlaunch does | 08:30 |
| slaine | morning folks | 08:31 |
| anidel | I though it would just add the X launch to systemd indeed | 08:31 |
| anidel | perfect then..later I'll try. | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: back again? | 08:33 |
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| phaeron | almos | 08:34 |
| phaeron | t | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: for mer ports i have the funny issue that i use packages that are injected from x86 to arm and reverse.. and to do this sanely, i need to have x86 packages be disabled except for a few, and arm enabled for some | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | err, arm enabled for all | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | the <meta> of the origin source package has it disabled | 08:36 |
| phaeron | ok so preserve package meta | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:36 |
| phaeron | why didn't you mention that earlier ? :D | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: i just remembered it now | 08:36 |
| phaeron | ok | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | is this something that is simple, or is it a rabbit hole of problems_ | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | _ | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 08:36 |
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| phaeron | I don't know , need to look at it first :) | 08:38 |
| phaeron | I am still in fixing rubygem install | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | no rush, i'm testing x86 first | 08:39 |
| phaeron | so -g creates debugging symbols , and in a later stage they are supposed to be strippe | 08:39 |
| phaeron | d | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | right | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | rather | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | seperated out | 08:39 |
| phaeron | yes | 08:39 |
| phaeron | however due to how this gem install is implemented the build is done in the install step | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | wtf | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | and not in %build _ | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 08:40 |
| phaeron | exactly | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | are these people batshit insane? | 08:40 |
| phaeron | this is suse ;) | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | my point remains! | 08:40 |
| phaeron | ok so , moving the build to the %build step (!) might work , only if %install didn't rm -rf the build root | 08:40 |
| phaeron | is there a way to disable that ? | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | are we really unable to make it skip install step? :P | 08:41 |
| phaeron | dunno , remove %install ? | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, isnøt there a øgem buildø kind of thing | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | 'gem build' | 08:42 |
| phaeron | it does that but the build compiles in place in the buildroot | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 08:42 |
| phaeron | removing %install might work actually | 08:42 |
| phaeron | right it works. but now unstripped-binary-or-object /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/gems/nokogiri-1.5.5/lib/nokogiri/nokogiri.so | 08:44 |
| phaeron | because that happens in %install , right ? | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | a install post hook | 08:44 |
| phaeron | it actually built fine. and rpms were produced. but the original problem is not solved. | 08:45 |
| phaeron | so where is make install supposed to put stuff ? | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | into buildroot | 08:45 |
| phaeron | so $BUILDROOT/usr/bin | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | %{buildroot} i think | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | are we absolutely sure we can't avoid a install step in build process? | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | in gem itself | 08:46 |
| phaeron | + rm -rf /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/rubygem-nokogiri-1.5.5-0.i386 | 08:47 |
| phaeron | that's the first thing %install does | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | right | 08:47 |
| phaeron | but that's where stuff is installed | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | can you give me gem --help ? | 08:48 |
| phaeron | and the source is as well | 08:48 |
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| phaeron | yeah there is installdir as well , that's why I want to find out where it should be installed to | 08:48 |
| phaeron | I mean there is --install-dir option for gem | 08:49 |
| phaeron | I want to find out where it should go | 08:49 |
| phaeron | ah the source should bin BUILD | 08:50 |
| phaeron | be in | 08:50 |
| phaeron | hmm | 08:50 |
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| phaeron | or rather _it_ is confused | 08:55 |
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| anidel | 2012 and Linux distros still can't handle two monitors persistently :( | 09:01 |
| anidel | </rant> | 09:01 |
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| totte | It seems to me that the biggest competitors in mobile operating systems are iOS, Android, BlackBerry and Windows Phone. Maemo, MeeGo and Moblin seems to end in Tizen and Mer (for now). What kind of longevity could be expected from Mer? I get the impression that it's all a bit scattered. | 09:05 |
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| Paimen | well things are scattered and ios / android are in dominant place, but well who knows where this all ends | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | totte: mer is built to be stable in torms :) | 09:06 |
| w00t | as long as people are interested in it, it'll exist | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | er, storms | 09:06 |
| w00t | thankfully, it's not possible to kill off an open source project so easily as something you don't control | 09:06 |
| Paimen | new player can emerge and challenge old players, just look Nokia and fall of them | 09:06 |
| frals | as long as elop doesnt get involved in mer, i recon its rather safe | 09:08 |
| Paimen | well as long it has active people to push it forward | 09:09 |
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| jonnor | w00t, there are degrees of "alive" though (just like there are degrees of open) | 09:09 |
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| Paimen | os-projects might starve and die without contributors and active community | 09:09 |
| Paimen | s/might/can | 09:09 |
| jonnor | Did Intel kill Meego? It is an open source project, but its pretty darn dead | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | jonnor: they killed it, but it wasn't exactly built for continuation by anyone | 09:09 |
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| Stskeeps | mer's built for this | 09:09 |
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| Paimen | Dinosaurs are dead, but well we have birds | 09:10 |
| Paimen | things evolve | 09:10 |
| jonnor | Stskeeps, yes, because it is more open/independent | 09:10 |
| totte | Would you say that Mer is the primary open source project among these? I mean, Android is marketed as open source but doesn't seem to allow much more flexibility than iOS. | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | totte: android is open source but not really openly developed | 09:10 |
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| anidel | with no Elop we might not have Mer of JollaMobile | 09:11 |
| anidel | or Mer as it is now | 09:11 |
| Paimen | yeah, lemons and lemonade etc | 09:11 |
| anidel | :) | 09:11 |
| Paimen | why I speak in analogues now | 09:11 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: enabled OBS_VM_TMPFS="yes" on phost4 | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning andre__ :) | 09:18 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: so after a kludge , the stages work , but the "check for buildroot in binary" runs before strip, so I ran strip first and now it is complaining that buildroot is mentioned in the debug stuff | 09:19 |
| phaeron | .. | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ok, give me url to package? | 09:25 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=rubygem-nokogiri&project=home%3Asage%3Amer%3Aruby | 09:25 |
| phaeron | all trials were done locally | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: OK, can you make it not do "compiling" but actually output the gcc command line? | 09:27 |
| phaeron | export make="make V=1" | 09:27 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 09:28 |
| phaeron | you want that on the server or output in pastie ? | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | on server ideally | 09:28 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: that log looks totally screwed | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | it should not put .c files into %{buildroot} | 09:29 |
| andre__ | heja! | 09:29 |
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| * Stskeeps checks out package | 09:30 | |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: it's rebuilding now | 09:30 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: this was copied directly out of suse | 09:30 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: ruby gems are insane by design | 09:30 |
| phaeron | so that gem2rpm system tries to make it a bit a better, packages them , works out deps etc .. | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | what was the fedora approach again.. | 09:31 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Ruby#Building_gems saner but more painful. not sure if Sage_ evaluated it | 09:32 |
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| Sage_ | phaeron: well, lbt said that we should use opensuse method as we are using ruby for OBS from there as well so in future migh be less painfull to use. | 09:35 |
| phaeron | it is less painful from packaging point of view as it works out the deps automatically etc .. but this debugging symbols problem is just weird | 09:36 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: moving the steps to %build and doing some tricks to have the right stuff in %install still doesn't help | 09:36 |
| phaeron | because the debugging symbols still have the offending string | 09:36 |
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| Stskeeps | hello X35 :) | 09:41 |
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| psior | Just noticed that links like https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Governance get me a certificate error (tried with Chrome & Firefox) Is anyone aware of this? | 09:49 |
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| Stskeeps | psior: yes, we are too cheap to buy real certificates | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's just a self-signed certificate, though with a common Mer CA | 09:50 |
| psior | Yeah I know, but wonder if there's any point to have it instead of plain HTTP? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | psior: so, the reason is that we allow signon to our common LDAP infra on there, and some services don't always react well to switching between http and https | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can you get me a $$ number on getting us a sane cert for merproject.org ? | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | psior: so definately we need ssl, to protect passwords | 09:53 |
| psior | I see. | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | we do have a bug on this issue, FWIW | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | and i think personally it's a problem | 09:55 |
| X35 | Stskeeps: hello :) | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: why are we not all-in with opensuse usage? | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: opensuse 12.1 has rubygems package | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | X35: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 09:56 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: rubygems got merged into ruby so we do have it | 09:57 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: Sage_ packaged it | 09:58 |
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| psior | Stskeeps: mostly wanted to know it was documented at least, so good to know | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | psior: thanks for reporting :) | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ok, how about we actually match how opensuse has it.. | 09:58 |
| * Stskeeps tests that path out | 09:59 | |
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| X35 | Stskeeps: jolla :P | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | X35: excellent ;) | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | X35: if you have any questions on Mer, or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out | 10:01 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=rubygem-nokogiri&project=home%3Asage%3Amer%3Aruby&rev=3 | 10:01 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: this workaround fixes it for now | 10:01 |
| anidel | X35: also note, if you're not aware of it, that there's a #jollamobile specific chat | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | anidel: he's in there :) | 10:02 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: in opensuse factory the new ruby obsoletes the rubygem separate packag | 10:03 |
| anidel | Stskeeps: worth saying also for others who may not be in there and here for Jolla. | 10:03 |
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| phaeron | Sage_: I am ok with this workaround for now https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=rubygem-nokogiri&project=home%3Asage%3Amer%3Aruby&rev=3 | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ok | 10:04 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: well, that seems ok | 10:10 |
| phaeron | Sage_: it means no debugging symbols. I wonder if we can try stripping it selectively. I think only the rdata section has the offending script | 10:14 |
| phaeron | Sage_: also to make it less painful we can put those commands in the gem cleanup script | 10:14 |
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| X35 | Stskeeps: i'm at work atm, but i'm interested in app developing for meego/tizen/whatever phones jolla are gonna come up with :) and anidel: thanks, i'm in there already :) | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | X35: sure :) | 10:21 |
| phaeron | Sage_: strip -R rdata wasn't different. no debug symbols rpm generated | 10:22 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: is there a way to modify relocation data in an elf ? | 10:24 |
| phaeron | like libtool and stuff does ? | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | that sounds a bit dirty | 10:25 |
| phaeron | lol | 10:25 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: in the make install step some magic happens to get the paths right I think | 10:25 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: that step does not happen for the ruby gems , it builds it in place and expects you to use it there, except in the rpm packaging case it will get copied somewhere else | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 10:26 |
| * Stskeeps ponders to finance a python or lua plugin for tdriver | 10:26 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:26 |
| phaeron | so I was thinking of doing something similar to the make install step | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | fww | 10:27 |
| phaeron | pfft | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | there's a %gem_build thing too | 10:27 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: I vote for Lua | 10:27 |
| Paimen | altought ruby is nice too (to use that is) | 10:27 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: I think that step is implicitly done in the %gem_install | 10:28 |
| phaeron | but some difference in where it gets built | 10:29 |
| phaeron | I can test that too | 10:29 |
| phaeron | just in case | 10:30 |
| phaeron | trying | 10:31 |
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| alterego | That's what the world needs /another/ HTML5 mobility framework *sigh* | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | hello random_noob | 10:36 |
| random_noob | yo | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 10:37 |
| alterego | lol | 10:37 |
| alterego | I thought you were taking the piss :) | 10:37 |
| Paimen | it really sounded like insult | 10:37 |
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| random_noob | jolla :) | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | random_noob: hehe :) #jollamobile might be good too then. If you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :) | 10:38 |
| random_noob | yep, thanks :) | 10:39 |
| random_noob | i wanted to know what role mer actually plays in a mobile os? | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | random_noob: so, mer is the core - you couple with a hardware adaptation, a UI and you have a product | 10:39 |
| random_noob | ah, i see... and is mer based on linux? | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it is | 10:41 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: didn't work , the %gem unpack , build , install macros approach is for gems with gemspec , and this one doesn't use that build mechanism | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:42 |
| * alterego contemplates rubyonrailsonmer | 10:42 | |
| phaeron | so the workaround is ok for now imho | 10:43 |
| random_noob | Stskeeps: ok, and the UI and apps would then be executed by mer? | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | random_noob: yes, mer is basically qt, system control, other architectual stuff | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | a set of components | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | to avoid people needing to reinvent over and over | 10:45 |
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| random_noob | ok, and when you develop an app that runs on mer, in what programming language(s) can you do it? | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | generally we don't push a generic app story, that's vendors doing that, but qt as an example | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | c++, python, etc | 10:46 |
| random_noob | cool :) | 10:47 |
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| totte | Right then, if the vendor is the one to provide hardware support (the kernel?) and the UI, what is it that you do that results in Mer? I had a look at the gitweb site and it looks like a list of the basic programs you get when you install Debian, plus Xorg. Do you compile the source for ARM instead of i386... or what is it that you do? | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | totte: so, compared to other distributions, they don't optimize for mobile usage - we are for experience devices, so we need to fit nicely in RAM and do 60fps | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | totte: and we need to fit into productization proceses | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | totte: so we also deliver systems around the core | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | we don't deliver the kitchen sink, we deliver a working mobile core stack | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | something that anybody on a small budget can scale from prototype to full scale company operation | 10:57 |
| totte | I think I got it now, thanks. | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | alright, thanks for the questions :) | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | totte: many of us are from actual product programmes doing mobile devices, so | 11:00 |
| totte | What about the graphical toolkits, though? Is it up to the vendor if you'll be allowed to write programs in Python and using Qt as the graphical toolkit? I don't see why someone would take Mer and only allow you to use Java like Android, but it seems as if that is possible. | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | totte: it's up to the vendor, but we do optimize for the QML/HTML5 story ourselves | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | but we don't force a certain app story on anybody | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | basically: we provide a base that people are unlikely to really argue about, that everybody ends up doing anyway, and makes sure people can use it in products | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | and provides security updates, new technology innovation, etc | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | which would normally be put with the 'linux guy' in a company | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | targetting small to medium enterprises | 11:04 |
| totte | Well that sounds cool. | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | we're a bit different, it'd be boring if we were yet another mobile handset attempt | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | or just another distro | 11:04 |
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| totte | So the vendor is more likely to just take it all when it comes to programming languages since you provide it, rather than pick it apart and only allow for a select few ones? | 11:06 |
| totte | Programming languages, frameworks, etc... | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | it really is up to them how they want to put their stack together | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | some might only want to provide qml/html5 for some scenarios | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | think of mer as a lego piece, they add more pieces on top :) | 11:06 |
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| totte | Neat. | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | hello Epeli :) | 11:18 |
| Epeli | hello | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | Epeli: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 11:18 |
| Epeli | Just wanted to peek how things are going here :) | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | sure :) if you have any questions on Mer, or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :) | 11:20 |
| Epeli | Thanks | 11:20 |
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| odin_ | #mer IRC user count > #meego IRC users count | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | well, that channel is fairly shut down anyway | 11:37 |
| mikhas | big surprise | 11:38 |
| w00t | tumbleweeds rolling through on a daily basis | 11:38 |
| odin_ | just reading up on jolla | 11:38 |
| alterego | Mer is more like one of those big bits of lego floor you get, that you build things on top of :) | 11:41 |
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| alterego | Where the lego peices are in boxes labelled "nemo" and "cordia" and "jolla" :) | 11:42 |
| alterego | Made out of OBS plastic? /me chuckles | 11:42 |
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| E-P | Reminder: Mer QA meeting starting in 10mins | 11:50 |
| Paimen | good reminding time to take dogs outt then, so at least I can hang around for start | 11:50 |
| Paimen | any specific channel E-P ? | 11:51 |
| E-P | yep, #mer-meeting | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: are you screwing around with phost4? | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | or is puppet toying with me | 11:53 |
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| lbt | no, maybe | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | because it's been reverting every single change i've been doing | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | which is a bit annoying | 11:59 |
| shrikrishna | good day Stskeeps ! :) | 11:59 |
| lbt | *g* | 11:59 |
| alterego | lol | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: now, how do i make puppet -do- my changes, instead? | 12:01 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: post QA meeting? | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yes | 12:03 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ok, so, how do i kill ze puppet? | 13:02 |
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| Stskeeps | wb phaeron | 13:17 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: why mer sdk page says "Don't do zypper up" ? | 13:38 |
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| phaeron | Sage_: lbt E-P sorry for missing the meeting, I was cycling in the rain :D | 13:45 |
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| * lbt fell asleep :/ | 13:59 | |
| lbt | sorry Sage_, Stskeeps | 13:59 |
| lbt | Sage_: ssl bug | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i feel like napping too | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:00 |
| lbt | it was supposed to be 10m | 14:00 |
| lbt | anyhow... puppet | 14:00 |
| mikhas | lbt, getting so old already that you need your afternoon nap? | 14:01 |
| mikhas | ;-) | 14:01 |
| mikhas | but it's the same for me after lunch, and if it's warm outside … | 14:02 |
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| lbt | mikhas: been like that for years already | 14:02 |
| mikhas | uh oh | 14:02 |
| lbt | I think it started when I worked at BT | 14:03 |
| lbt | so Stskeeps ... what are you changing that puppet changes back? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: etc/sysconfig/obs-server / worker, etc/fstab | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | it was coughing up hairballsa bout current setup | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | changing to obs's own tmpfs method which went haywire on /fast | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | so, how the heck do i fix that? | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:05 |
| lbt | I don't think phost4 is puppetised there | 14:08 |
| lbt | checking | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | well something is tampering with my changes | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:08 |
| lbt | obsstoragesetup? | 14:09 |
| lbt | # HEADER: This file was autogenerated at Thu Jul 12 13:31:10 +0200 2012 | 14:10 |
| lbt | # HEADER: by puppet. While it can still be managed manually, it | 14:10 |
| lbt | that's definitely a clue | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | so | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | how do i make puppet do changes for me? | 14:10 |
| lbt | so.... just easing you in gently ... you know puppet is ruby, right? | 14:11 |
| lbt | ssh to puppetadm | 14:11 |
| mikhas | :-D | 14:11 |
| mikhas | I wish ruby had stayed in the web. | 14:12 |
| lbt | mikhas: kinda | 14:12 |
| lbt | there's some bloody good stuff in there | 14:12 |
| lbt | but it's run by a horde of 8-year olds with ADD | 14:12 |
| mikhas | and then there is the 80ies syntax | 14:13 |
| mikhas | yes | 14:13 |
| mikhas | that too | 14:13 |
| lbt | test attitude is nice | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok, and how do i use puppet.. | 14:13 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: screen -x | 14:13 |
| lbt | and I'll show you around | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i have to take a shower now and get ready for shopping, sadly | 14:13 |
| mikhas | shower before shopping? | 14:14 |
| lbt | OK - yell when back and I'll show you | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, that phost4 is goverened by puppet right now is hindering my progress and screws up builds | 14:14 |
| mikhas | are you going for new underwear? | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: i work from home, i have weird habits. | 14:14 |
| lbt | shall I fix or wait? | 14:14 |
| mikhas | :-) | 14:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: feel free to fix phost4 to not having /fast anymore, obs_vm_tmpfs=yes, unmount /fast, restart worker | 14:15 |
| lbt | yup | 14:15 |
| lbt | mikhas: FYI I don't do "full" puppet | 14:15 |
| lbt | I use it to manage things that should be in sync over many machines | 14:16 |
| lbt | eg resolv.conf, ldap.conf. ntp, | 14:16 |
| lbt | and then stuff like obs workers where we have many boxes with identical config | 14:16 |
| lbt | we have a different tool called dcp which is like super-etckeeper and uses ssh/rsync and git to keep all /etc tracked (not controlled) | 14:17 |
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| alterego | btw, great news about Jolla providing those servers :) | 14:22 |
| alterego | How long until we have build.merproject.org ? :) | 14:23 |
| lbt | didn't you try? | 14:25 |
| mikhas | :-D | 14:25 |
| mikhas | amazing stuff | 14:26 |
| lbt | note the "Latest updates" dates | 14:26 |
| lbt | been working on it a while .... backup plan if cobs goes away | 14:26 |
| alterego | :D | 14:26 |
| alterego | Cool | 14:26 |
| lbt | but we're using c.obs whilst we can | 14:26 |
| alterego | Surely with the new hardware we might as well just stop using meego.com? | 14:27 |
| alterego | Also, can I have an account? :P | 14:27 |
| lbt | it's about 1/10 Meego.com HW | 14:27 |
| lbt | actually it's less | 14:28 |
| lbt | but obs worker-wise | 14:28 |
| alterego | My normal credentials don't work, is it not connected to LDAP? | 14:28 |
| lbt | it is, but it's currently restricted - it needs wiping/redeploying | 14:28 |
| lbt | so I don't want anyone losing data | 14:29 |
| alterego | Ah, is it not possible to get build.merproject.org to forward builds on meego.com until it goes off? So people can setup osc, etc. correctly now? | 14:29 |
| lbt | too complec | 14:29 |
| lbt | x | 14:29 |
| alterego | m'kay. | 14:29 |
| * alterego is still feeling quite hung over. | 14:30 | |
| lbt | every hour spent doing that is an hour less on the SDK or core or QA | 14:30 |
| alterego | On a positive note though, I've finished implementing the configurator and plugin management system for the new dialer .. | 14:30 |
| lbt | neat | 14:30 |
| alterego | Next up, libresource, resource-qt, then UI | 14:30 |
| alterego | How to make that pluggable without making the design too complex :/ | 14:31 |
| lbt | alterego login to build.merproject.org using bz credentials | 14:31 |
| alterego | Maybe just a libresource plugin that can be used as a wrapper. | 14:31 |
| alterego | Ah, I see, I just used the wrong password ;) | 14:31 |
| alterego | So basically there's no point using it at the moment, because you're gonna wipe it sometime? | 14:32 |
| lbt | no, it should deny you | 14:32 |
| lbt | but then I'll add you to ldap | 14:32 |
| lbt | and see if I remember how I set it up | 14:32 |
| alterego | Seems to have worked, says I'm logged in and prompts to create new home project. | 14:32 |
| lbt | mmmk | 14:32 |
| lbt | bad ... but meh | 14:32 |
| lbt | at least you've been warned :) | 14:33 |
| alterego | :) | 14:33 |
| alterego | So, no point in using it? | 14:33 |
| lbt | no | 14:33 |
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| alterego | Okay then | 14:33 |
| lbt | just sleep well knowing it's there | 14:33 |
| alterego | :) | 14:33 |
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| * alterego ponders how to manage flight mode. | 14:34 | |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: so mer ci obs is working ok now ? | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: besides puppet screwing my worker(s), i'm fine | 15:03 |
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| phaeron | ok :) | 15:12 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: I'll look at preserving the pkg meta later today | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:12 |
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| trip0 | lbt, no armv7hl target for xubuntu on obs? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think they had armv7 back when that was imported | 15:57 |
| trip0 | probably not hard float. but soft float has been around for a couple years | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | i think the arm release was not really official for a while though | 15:58 |
| phaeron | trip0: do they have that target on suse obs ? | 16:01 |
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| trip0 | phaeron, no | 16:03 |
| trip0 | not for 11.10 | 16:03 |
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| phaeron | yeah, I just tried to create similar targets so if it wasn't there I didn't createit | 16:05 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: Sage_: I changed the ruby macros so that it works like this now : | 16:10 |
| phaeron | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=rubygem-nokogiri&project=home%3Asage%3Amer%3Aruby&rev=4 | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:11 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: gem install (which builds) it to builddir first and then copying stuff to buildroot works | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | good | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: if you have time, i have time now - wife late home | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | if you didn't fix it already | 16:12 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: sure | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok, where do i go? | 16:16 |
| lbt | puppetadm and screen -x | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | in | 16:17 |
| lbt | this is all the machines/roles | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:18 |
| lbt | so phost4... | 16:18 |
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| Stskeeps | er, where did you go there | 16:18 |
| lbt | roles=modules | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:18 |
| lbt | I have a huge terminal - can you see it all ? | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | now i can | 16:19 |
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| lbt | 'screen' didn't adapt ... nm | 16:20 |
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| lbt | simple module first | 16:20 |
| lbt | tries host-specific, 'group' and then generic OS | 16:20 |
| lbt | I only use OS for now | 16:21 |
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| lbt | so this is a simple way to sync files to many machines | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:21 |
| lbt | this used to do more on meego, LVM setup and such too | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:22 |
| * Stskeeps ponders to ditch 'sysadmin' from his cv | 16:22 | |
| Stskeeps | those repos are totally out of sync now | 16:23 |
| mikhas | only have stuff on your CV that you would enjoy doing ;-) | 16:23 |
| lbt | yes | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | we should use mer obs repo only | 16:23 |
| lbt | yes | 16:23 |
| lbt | I'm surprised it's working at all tbh | 16:23 |
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| lbt | include repo is a mechanism to provide 'zypprepo' ... | 16:24 |
| lbt | this installs obs-worker | 16:25 |
| lbt | the general approach is goal-oriented | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:25 |
| lbt | it's concurrent so any dependency should be explicit | 16:25 |
| lbt | hence the require of the repos | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | so, get rid of /fast mount | 16:26 |
| lbt | did you do this? | 16:26 |
| lbt | or am I losing it? | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't delete anything | 16:26 |
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| Stskeeps | i tried to get rid of /fast most on phost4 but puppet wouldn't let me :P | 16:26 |
| lbt | OK | 16:26 |
| lbt | we need an initrd with virtio stuff | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | right | 16:28 |
| lbt | so long as there is one "/boot/initrd-$kernelrelease-obs_worker" | 16:28 |
| lbt | then we're OK | 16:28 |
| lbt | this is Make-like | 16:28 |
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| lbt | weird stuff like export rootfstype=ext4 is a mkinitrd issue on suse | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | and where do we edit obs-server in sysconfig? | 16:29 |
| lbt | source=> modules/obsworker | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | acutally | 16:29 |
| lbt | that maps to this directory ./files/ | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | sysconfig/obs-worker is obsolete now, i think | 16:29 |
| lbt | it can use both iirc the code | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | obs-server is what matters, suppsedly | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 16:30 |
| lbt | top split is "./files" | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | we can probably change the worker location since we'll just be mounting obs tmpfs'es | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | from /fast | 16:31 |
| lbt | shall we move to obs-server? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | ys | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | though obs-worker overrides obs-server i tghink | 16:32 |
| lbt | is it setup correctly on phost4 ? | 16:32 |
| lbt | yeah, we can ensure=> not-present | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | it's not set up correctly on phost4 | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | due to puppet | 16:32 |
| lbt | OK, we can edit an obs-server | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | basically we just need to have root dir somewhere (/fast is silly), and then enable the obs_vm_tmpfs=yes | 16:34 |
| lbt | yep | 16:34 |
| lbt | that obs-server is from phost4 | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:35 |
| lbt | googling to check syntax | 16:37 |
| lbt | ok, that's correct | 16:38 |
| lbt | or I could have looked there | 16:38 |
| lbt | do we need any -static anymore? | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | not really, but let's keep it around for good measure | 16:40 |
| lbt | I restart puppetmaster, not sure you need to | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | i should unmount /fast on phost4? | 16:42 |
| lbt | yes | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | so puppet should have committed by now? | 16:42 |
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| lbt | runs every 30m | 16:42 |
| lbt | http://airy:5001/puppet has more details | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | any way to make it do it now? | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:43 |
| lbt | need to edit the obs-server file first | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:43 |
| lbt | back in screen ? | 16:44 |
| lbt | ARCHes ? | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | armv7el | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | and i guess armv7l is ok too | 16:45 |
| lbt | both? | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | we should make some kind of break for that at some point.. | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | and just unify the things | 16:45 |
| lbt | *nod* ... when we do it'll affect all workers at once :) | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | since we work with seperated repos anyway | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | workers dont care about archs :P | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | scheduler | 16:46 |
| lbt | good point :) | 16:46 |
| lbt | this should be used for be too | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | isn't there a standard location for worker data/ | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | should be fine | 16:48 |
| lbt | default is "" | 16:48 |
| lbt | so not sure | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:48 |
| lbt | OBS_WORKER_JOBS ? | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | i usually do -j4 | 16:49 |
| lbt | sounds a lot if we're running multiple VMs on a dual-4 core | 16:49 |
| lbt | 5 workers running -j4 | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 16:50 |
| lbt | 4 running -j2 ? | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok, but we should plan benchmarks in future | 16:51 |
| lbt | yep | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | on how best to utilize | 16:51 |
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| Sage_ | phaeron: very nice | 16:54 |
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| lbt | 4096? | 16:56 |
| phaeron | Sage_: cool :D | 16:56 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: what values have you been using for RAM/rootfs for the workers | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: 2048, 8192 for rootfs | 16:57 |
| lbt | 10Gb per worker then | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | 4096 swap, for those intense jobs | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't actually fill that up, it's a sparse file, so | 16:59 |
| lbt | 40Gb for 4 workers .... 32Gb of real RAM | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | huh? | 16:59 |
| lbt | yeah it's sparse | 16:59 |
| Sage_ | lbt: building up for the new community obs? | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | no, merci | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: hmm | 17:00 |
| lbt | just saying that if all 4 instances hit full disks and full ram, then we'd "only" be at 40Gb | 17:00 |
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| lbt | the phost should have enough swap to ensure oom doesn't pop though ... just in case | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | i think it should be okay | 17:01 |
| lbt | yes | 17:01 |
| lbt | me too | 17:01 |
| lbt | not sure where swap is allocated from | 17:02 |
| phaeron | lbt: fixed repodiff tool. we can generate nice changelogs between releases from static repos. | 17:02 |
| phaeron | Sage_: useful for nemo as well | 17:02 |
| lbt | good - thanks | 17:03 |
| lbt | see if it works for obs project published repos? | 17:03 |
| lbt | compare Mer:Tools and Mer:Tools:Testing for me ? | 17:03 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: yes | 17:03 |
| phaeron | ok | 17:03 |
| lbt | phaeron: if that gives nice results we may wrap some css around it and call it REVS2 | 17:04 |
| phaeron | lol | 17:04 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK.. lessee | 17:04 |
| phaeron | lbt: meego had the nice css for that, I'll see if I can dig it up | 17:04 |
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| lbt | puppet agent --server=puppetadm.in.merproject.org --onetime --no-daemonize --debug FYI | 17:05 |
| lbt | it's on the internal wiki | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | so now it's deployed? | 17:05 |
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| chouchoune | hello | 17:05 |
| lbt | err: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Error 400 on SERVER: Syntax error at 'notify'; expected '}' at /etc/puppet/modules/obsworker/manifests/obsworker-main.pp:201 on node phost4.in.merproject.org | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | lo chouchoune | 17:06 |
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| CosmoHill | woof | 17:08 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: 2012-07-12 19:07:45: building 'qtwebkit' for project 'Core:0.20120719.0.0.2:i486' repository 'Core_i486' arch 'i586' using helper linux32 | 17:10 |
| lbt | starts up nice and easy then? | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | qemu: could not load kernel 'vmlinuz-2.6.37.6-0.9-default': No such file or directory | 17:10 |
| phaeron | lbt: order by verbosity http://pastie.org/4244993 http://pastie.org/4244982 http://pastie.org/4244974 | 17:11 |
| lbt | yep | 17:11 |
| phaeron | lbt: I think this is a great base to start with | 17:11 |
| lbt | no clogs? | 17:12 |
| phaeron | that's why I said base to start with | 17:12 |
| lbt | OK - I thought it made them by default ... sry | 17:12 |
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| phaeron | I'll try to add that option | 17:13 |
| phaeron | gtg now | 17:15 |
| lbt | l8r ... ta | 17:15 |
| lbt | worker 3 | 17:16 |
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| lbt | there we go then | 17:17 |
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| Stskeeps | what other phosts were dedicated to be workers? | 17:19 |
| lbt | need to find notes | 17:20 |
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| lbt | right ... so 6/7 are to be new workers too | 17:25 |
| lbt | when they're up I can take 4 back down to being a VM host and maybe move much of the fe/be stuff here | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:27 |
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| * alterego looks at building a new workstation | 17:38 | |
| CosmoHill | what for? | 17:39 |
| Aard | alterego: I have a dual pentium board I don't use anymore.. ;) | 17:39 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:39 |
| CosmoHill | Aard: the 1.4Ghz or the 550Mhz? | 17:39 |
| Aard | 350, but I think you can overclock it | 17:40 |
| alterego | CosmoHill: just want something good for heavy lifting on my desktop, rather than my laptop. | 17:40 |
| CosmoHill | I build my desktop with processor and RAM, onboard graphics | 17:40 |
| alterego | I'm looking at Core i7 | 17:40 |
| CosmoHill | silent, dual digital display :) | 17:40 |
| alterego | Dual headed display. | 17:40 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 17:40 |
| CosmoHill | my motherboard has dvi, hdmi and vga | 17:41 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not sure if the higher end i7s will have a built in gpu | 17:41 |
| * Aard is currently at the point where I'd like to have more than 2 digital outputs, but without binary blobs. :( | 17:42 | |
| dm8tbr | usb-displaylink :) | 17:42 |
| alterego | Maybe I'll get this barebones and build on it: http://www.ebuyer.com/350716-shuttle-sz68r5-barebone-sz68r5 | 17:42 |
| Aard | dm8tbr: I have one here, does not play together with existing graphicscards, and no hotplug | 17:43 |
| dm8tbr | :/ | 17:43 |
| dm8tbr | I was thinking of starting a second x-server and doing xdmx over the two | 17:43 |
| Aard | dm8tbr: though someone started working on it, but I currently don't have the time to rebuild my x with his patches | 17:43 |
| dm8tbr | oh, have pointers? | 17:44 |
| alterego | Can you get dual i7? | 17:44 |
| alterego | Would I be being greedy? | 17:44 |
| * alterego chuckles | 17:44 | |
| Aard | somewhere in the depth of my bookmorks, needed further searching. he just started it when kernel.org git was down, and I fear he's now continuing his work in a git repository on kernel.org I've not yet found | 17:44 |
| Aard | was one of the things I moved to bookmarks in the last browser cleanup, and I currently still have two browser windows with 50+ tabs each | 17:46 |
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| dm8tbr | k | 17:51 |
| alterego | lol | 17:51 |
| alterego | I have about 10 open in two instances, but I find that annoying, need a new browsing paradigm :) | 17:52 |
| Sage_ | error: line 30: Unknown tag: Recommends: rubygem-rdoc-data >= 2.5.3 | 17:52 |
| alterego | I should use firefoxs save all tabs bookmarks | 17:52 |
| Sage_ | lbt, Stskeeps: Should we also enable Recommends tags? | 17:53 |
| alterego | meh | 17:53 |
| lbt | Sage_: I like them ... I bitched about them for git/rsync iirc | 18:03 |
| lbt | they allow a lighter inter-repo dependency too | 18:03 |
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| srikanth | Hello can we install mer sdk in Fedroa | 18:46 |
| lbt | srikanth: yes | 18:47 |
| lbt | it should work in any modern distro - please let us know if you have problems | 18:47 |
| lbt | I'm fairly sure we have fedora users already too :) | 18:47 |
| srikanth | lbt: i am trying to install ...i will update | 18:48 |
| srikanth | :) | 18:48 |
| lbt | thanks | 18:48 |
| chouchoune | I stopped using Fedora a few weeks ago but the SDK installed and worked correctly when I tried it | 18:51 |
| w00t | I have an SDK install on F16 | 18:52 |
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| srikanth | ok | 18:54 |
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| phaeron | lbt: apparently it has changelogs | 19:09 |
| phaeron | dunno why nothing came out of tools | 19:09 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: verify rpm -q --changelog -p *.rpm ? | 19:22 |
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| phaeron | the script uses the src.rpms xml metadata | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 19:31 |
| phaeron | doing it against some other repo got changelog info | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | hello bzyx :) | 19:40 |
| bzyx | Hi | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | bzyx: witam z #mer ;) so what brings you here? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that was probably the worst polish i've ever done and i'm even supposed to know a little bit about it.. | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | hey fk_lx :) | 19:46 |
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| fk_lx | hi Stskeeps | 19:46 |
| fk_lx | I am writing you a mail at the moment | 19:47 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | hey mlong :) | 19:47 |
| bzyx | fk_lx is why I came here ;-P | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | alright ;) | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, welcome to you both :) if you have any questions on Mer, feel free to ask at any time (in english, please, my polish is -horrid-), or on how to contribute, else feel free to hang out :) | 19:48 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps - that's ok I don't use polish when talking to foreigners :-D | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: hmm, qtwebkit caused it to keel over, as only job | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | that's intruiging | 19:50 |
| mlong | hi Stskeeps :) | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | mlong: welcome :) so what brings you here? | 19:52 |
| mlong | general curiousity | 19:53 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: looking | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: killed the worker | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | looked like tmpfs ran out | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | which is curious | 19:54 |
| lbt | qtwebkit ... | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:56 |
| lbt | checking meego power worker spec -- huge iirc | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | it can really do much less, i think it's disk space that's the problem | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | not ram | 19:56 |
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| lbt | OBS_WORKER_ROOT_SIZE="8192" | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | right | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | but we also have swap | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | it uses root_size for the tmpfs allocation | 19:58 |
| lbt | correct - so no matter what, if it runs out of disk swap won't help :) | 19:59 |
| lbt | even tmpfs disk | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 19:59 |
| lbt | "looked like tmpfs ran out" | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | well, there was a shiny "--" in df | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 20:01 |
| lbt | erm /dev/mapper/vg0-phost2_home | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | push @targs, "mount", "-t", "tmpfs", "-osize=${vmdisk_rootsize}M", "none", $buildroot; | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | oh, yeah | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | remember the template? | 20:03 |
| lbt | this is mer OBS? | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | ci | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if this means swap isn't on tmpfs | 20:03 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: sent you an e-mail so now I can talk :-) | 20:03 |
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| Stskeeps | fk_lx: alrighty | 20:04 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: Actually I have two students that would be interested in doing something for Mer or related stuff | 20:04 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: both like low level programming | 20:04 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: one is supposed to do BSc/Eng project and the other one MSc thesis | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: but i think much of the actual research is a bit higher level | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | most os development stuff has been done in lowlevel already | 20:05 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: mhmmm | 20:05 |
| lbt | fk_lx: systems work or OS work? | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: else we move over into kernel development or stuff that typically belongs over in electronics engineering.. | 20:06 |
| fk_lx | fk_lx: one of them has experience in kernel programming - has done some contribution to V4L2 | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:06 |
| fk_lx | fk_lx: and some reverse engineering | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: started worker ain | 20:07 |
| fk_lx | fk_lx: other one knows Qt and system work | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:08 |
| lbt | looking at bs_worker | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok, so swap is part of root_1/ | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | which then becomes undersized | 20:09 |
| lbt | yeah | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | tmpfs size should be rootfs + swap size | 20:09 |
| lbt | no | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok, "ought to be" | 20:10 |
| lbt | hmm | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | right now, it puts 10g of files on a tmpfs fit for 8g | 20:10 |
| lbt | yeah. I realise | 20:11 |
| lbt | just wondering where the IO is going and about RAM | 20:11 |
| lbt | but yeah. you're right | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | so we patch this on be, i guess | 20:11 |
| lbt | my concern is that swap is actually going to use RAM in tmpfd | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | well | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | in an ideal world | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | swap would be backed by actual hd | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | and root on a tmpfs | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: btw, not ignoring you, just thinking :) | 20:13 |
| lbt | if it's sparse it may be OK | 20:13 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: and I'd expected that | 20:13 |
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| fk_lx | Stskeeps: no problem I am doing other things in parallel | 20:15 |
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| lbt | none 8.0G 2.8G 5.3G 35% /var/cache/obs/worker/root_1 | 20:17 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: given -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.0G Jul 12 22:06 swap | 20:18 |
| lbt | I think we can be sure swap is sparse | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but when it started being used? | 20:19 |
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| lbt | absolutely | 20:20 |
| lbt | so I think we need to back tmpfs to real swap on the phost | 20:20 |
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| Stskeeps | no swap on phost? | 20:20 |
| lbt | and increase tmpfs in the worker to 12Gb | 20:20 |
| lbt | 8+4 | 20:20 |
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| chouchoune | mmmhhh, was looking at a bug here : https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343 but it needs some new packages to be resolved | 20:24 |
| chouchoune | many perl dependencies not yet in Mer | 20:24 |
| chouchoune | shall we/I package these dependencies and add them to the core or better stay with an outdated version of libwww-perl ? | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: http://www.talouselama.fi/Kasvuyritykset/techcrunch+jollalta+tana+vuonna+kaksi+puhelinta++vain+toinen+massamarkkinoille/a2136889 | 20:28 |
| lbt | click | 20:28 |
| lbt | *G* | 20:28 |
| lbt | we love stezz!!! | 20:29 |
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| lbt | chouchoune: I favour including them ... http-daemon is the only one I'd questionn | 20:30 |
| lbt | I'd guess it's more been factored out than increased in size | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: the best way to do a msc thesis is to spend a bit of time in the subject matter and identify challenges in it and use one of those problematics as the topic | 20:30 |
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| fk_lx | Stskeeps: so you have spent a bit of time in the subject, you probably know what are the current challenges :-) | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | fk_lx: QA of a mobile core is always an interesting topic | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | how do you actually test a linux userland? | 20:32 |
| chouchoune | lbt: yes, I think he has just redesigned all his stuff as the same person made all the "new" packages | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: that doesn't look healthy | 20:32 |
| chouchoune | helthy ? | 20:33 |
| chouchoune | healthy ? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the amount of new dependencies | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | they split up libwww? | 20:33 |
| chouchoune | yep | 20:33 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: it's the same code broken into re-usable chunks | 20:33 |
| lbt | well, I speculate so | 20:33 |
| chouchoune | didn't look at the code yet | 20:34 |
| lbt | Gisle Aas is an uber-coder :) | 20:34 |
| chouchoune | so, if I create these new packages, I have another problem : I don't know how to submit new packages ;) | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: you pester the project architect | 20:35 |
| chouchoune | hehe | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | and he'll create new git repos | 20:35 |
| lbt | and if he says yes and is busy I can do it too | 20:35 |
| chouchoune | ok, so I'll ping you when it's done | 20:35 |
| chouchoune | it might take some time ;) | 20:36 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: you OK with it? | 20:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i need to see the packages first | 20:36 |
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| chouchoune | the packages, as RPMs, or the perl packages ? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | the additional packages, just in obs somewhere | 20:37 |
| lbt | chouchoune: can you confirm there are no additional deps | 20:37 |
| * alterego tests new dialer ringtone notifier plugin. | 20:37 | |
| lbt | alterego: we had a sound designer pop up on twitter | 20:38 |
| chouchoune | lbt: what do you mean by additional ? | 20:38 |
| chouchoune | confirm that it's just a split of his package ? | 20:38 |
| alterego | A sound designer?! That sounds like an awesome job. | 20:38 |
| lbt | https://twitter.com/Peppepappa | 20:38 |
| chouchoune | (previous package) | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: you can make the most awesome sound effects with dead chicken | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:38 |
| lbt | chouchoune: ie just validate none of the new packages have their own deps | 20:39 |
| alterego | w.t.f. Stskeeps ? :P | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, i should really go sleep | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:39 |
| chouchoune | lbt: ah yes OK, I'll check that | 20:39 |
| chouchoune | good night Stskeeps | 20:40 |
| lbt | alterego: what's your twitter nick ? | 20:40 |
| lbt | gotcha | 20:40 |
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| lbt | alterego: so that does ringtone stuff eh? | 20:41 |
| alterego | lbt: yeah, | 20:42 |
| alterego | Yay, ringing tone works! :) | 20:42 |
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| alterego | Awesome, I'm really pleased with that now :) | 20:46 |
| alterego | It doesn't skip like the current dialers ringtone stuff. | 20:46 |
| * Stskeeps heads to bed | 20:48 | |
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| alterego | g'night :) | 20:48 |
| lbt | o/ | 20:48 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: bye :-) | 20:49 |
| alterego | next task, dbus service for UI->Manager RPC | 20:49 |
| alterego | Then I can start knocking together the new UI :) | 20:50 |
| chouchoune | lbt: I confirm that that there is no other dependency coming from the first-level dependencies | 20:50 |
| lbt | good, note that in the bug - also you may want to note the codesize | 20:51 |
| chouchoune | (I used perl 5.16 to check the core dependencies but if needed I'll update perl to 5.16 as it's another bug) | 20:51 |
| lbt | (I'm thinking of things that will answer any possible objections) | 20:51 |
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| chouchoune | lbt: how do you want me to give the codesize : sum of the compressed tarballs or size of uncompressed code ? | 20:59 |
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| alterego | Ooo, just got an email about my proposal for Leapmotion SDK :) | 21:00 |
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| lbt | chouchoune: something that helps Stskeeps see what difference this makes to an installation | 21:07 |
| lbt | so installed codesize would be ideal | 21:07 |
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| chouchoune | ok | 21:14 |
| chouchoune | will do that tomorrow | 21:14 |
| chouchoune | sleeping time ;) | 21:15 |
| lbt | night - ta | 21:15 |
| chouchoune | good night | 21:15 |
| * alterego ponders sending JSON over DBus | 21:16 | |
| alterego | Does that make me evil? :) | 21:16 |
| lbt | yes | 21:16 |
| alterego | :) | 21:16 |
| lbt | use 0mq | 21:17 |
| lpotter | json is evil | 21:17 |
| alterego | I plan on doing that aswell, but I need to use DBus for dialer as all the other things like address book rely on that interface. | 21:17 |
| lbt | json or yaml ? | 21:17 |
| alterego | For my personal mer vendor project, I'll be using a JSon RPC method. | 21:17 |
| w00t | alterego: seen the json service stuff someone wrote for qt5? | 21:18 |
| Sage_ | yey, opensuse ruby done for tdriver :) | 21:18 |
| alterego | So the dialer is heavily modular and allows different service frontends :) | 21:18 |
| alterego | w00t: yeah, shortly after I'd already implemented my own :P | 21:18 |
| Sage_ | now I would only need to test that it works :D | 21:18 |
| alterego | Sending data structures over dbus is a pita :/ | 21:20 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 22:17 |
| lbt | o/ | 22:17 |
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| alterego | God, damn, dbus .. | 22:43 |
| alterego | Finally .. | 22:48 |
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| alterego | Cool, now to implement the UI runtime. | 22:54 |
| alterego | Maybe I should wait until tomorrow for that though. | 22:54 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: https://github.com/Merproject/open-build-service/commit/fcb98a60d6178d3a46caf687d48b8ffc0ea670f6 | 23:14 |
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