Thursday, 2012-07-12

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trip0i guess making images with zypp doesn't work?01:22
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sonachlbt: have sent the feedback to you, please check the email :)03:31
trip0w00t, mer booting on the beaglebone!03:51
trip0can't login though :(03:54
trip0doesn't seem to accept my password04:00
trip0localhost login: mer04:01
trip0login: timed out after 60 seconds04:01
trip0dbus isn't starting either04:01
trip0Stskeeps, !04:01
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trip0trying May's release04:06
trip0"Failed to start Login Service [FAILED] (systemd-logind.service)04:13
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Stskeepstrip0: kernel version?05:05
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trip0Stskeeps, 3.2.405:09
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Stskeepstrip0: show me .config ?05:10
trip0Stskeeps, sure, 2 secs05:11
trip0it's a ubuntu kernel05:12
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trip0brb, milk run05:13
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Stskeepstrip0: add systemd.log_level=debug systemd.log_target=console05:14
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Stskeepsmorn E-P o/05:25
StskeepsE-P: it's incredible how many people has touched TDriver, btw05:27
Stskeepswhen looking around on linkedin, it's mentioned a lot05:27
Paimenwell it seems to be used a lot where ever qt is used for ux05:28
E-PStskeeps: also people that hasn't worked for nokia?05:28
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StskeepsE-P: well, subcontractors ;)05:29
Stskeepsmorn denism05:29
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Stskeepsbut there's a lot of people out there who know how to use it05:29
E-Pfroglogic is another popular tool for qt UI testing, but that is commercial05:30
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E-PI like it, mainly it works pretty well and it is easy to fix and modify05:30
Stskeepswhat company made froglogic?05:30
Paimenwell after you get know how to utilize it is verstile tool05:30
Paimenyou can do just automatic FuTe or harness it to be core of benchmarking05:31
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E-PStskeeps: the homepage says "froglogic was founded in 2003 by Reginald Stadlbauer and Harri Porten"05:32
Stskeepscould be good to make a guide on 'using tdriver with your qt based mer system'05:32
Stskeepsi guess materials already exist out there05:33
E-PPaimen: yep, very simple tool and works pretty well05:33
PaimenStskeeps: I talked with my colleague this week and we possibly can contribute some instructions from our internal wiki05:33
Stskeepsok, that'd be cool05:33
Stskeepsfeel free to join the QA meeting later today05:33
Paimenstill need to talk with our managers, but I think it should not be problem05:34
Paimenalso we have plugin that allows one to measure gpu utilisation % measuring on intel hw05:34
Paimenwhat time it is=?05:34
Stskeepsie, mesa-using intel hw?05:34
E-PPaimen: 12 UTC, 15 finnish time05:35
PaimenStskeeps: yup05:35
Paimenit works nicely on wetab at least05:35
Stskeepsthat could be interesting too05:36
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Paimengrah, that time is bit hard to me, but I can try to come and hang around at least and read backlog05:36
Stskeepslbt: phaeron:
Stskeepsphaeron: first one is probably due to a bad old project state05:37
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lbtit's sunny ... I think it woke me up early :)05:43
E-Pgood morning lbt05:43
lbthey E-P05:44
sonachmorning, lbt :)05:44
lbthey sonach05:44
sonachand morning, E-P :)05:44
lbtrare we're around at the same time05:44
E-Pmorning sonach :)05:45
lbtsonach: got your email ... looking05:45
lbtI hope to redo the Mer website really soon maybe this weekend05:46
sonachlbt: ok. you mean the Mer wiki ?05:46
lbtno, www.merproject.org05:46
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lbtbasically to be more appealing to "phb"s05:46
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* lbt waits for sonach to ask what a phb is :)05:47
sonachlbt: hehe ,yes :P05:47
sonachso what a phb is ?05:48
lbtdo you know Dilbert cartoon?05:48
sonachlbt: so Dilbert is a person who loves technology very much?05:49
lbtyes, and from that cartoon, phb is "Pointy Hair Boss" .... more interested in management speak and appearance than technology ... but sadly makes the business decisions so we just keep them happy :D05:50
lbtso basically I need to make the website more appealing to those people05:50
Paimenlbt: good point05:50
* lbt admits to having been a half-phb05:51
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Paimenso you have pointy hair just on one side of head?05:51
lbtPaimen: yeah - and sooner is better too05:51
Stskeepslbt: any opinion on pastie?05:52
lbtis it a single pure paste?05:53
sonachlbt: yes. Now mer website is so plain that it only appeals to programmers like me :P05:53
lbtand what was the time period?05:53
lbtany timeout05:53
Stskeepslbt: not that terribly long05:53
lbtsonach: indeed :)05:53
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Stskeepslbt: i think it may have finished actually05:54
lbtthe proxy thing is a tad concerning05:54
lbtno hangs though?05:54
lbtwe ran 'ab' against it last night05:54
Stskeepsno hangs so far05:55
lbthonestly we were so tired when we had it responding that neither of us could make a prjcopy work05:56
lbtand yeah , grant me admin  - I was too tired to hack it :)05:56
Stskeepsok, moment05:56
lbtwe'll do ldap with groups 'soon'05:56
lbtalso it's now https only (as you may have spotted)05:57
lbtand I disabled the stuff05:57
lbtwe had a *slight* suspicion that we could have been subject to a DoS attack05:57
lbthalf-syn or something05:57
Stskeepsdoes copyprj send a "OK" when done?05:58
trip0Stskeeps, still no go.  login times out05:58
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trip0dbus is failing to start as well..05:58
lbtno clue atm - I've not reviewed this re-write05:58
Stskeepslbt: so we're still at my obs package + patch from phaeron?05:59
lbtI think so05:59
lbtour plan today is to package new OBS05:59
lbtand deploy05:59
Stskeepstrip0: yes, the error messages?05:59
lbttrip0: have you seen
lbt(not sure if you have wifi on that device)06:00
trip0no wifi atm06:00
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trip0Stskeeps, the systemd.log_level=debug systemd.log_target=console are kernel args right?06:01
Stskeepslbt: admin assigned, if i didn't say already06:04
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trip0wonder why dbus is dying...06:12
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Stskeepstrip0: show me .ks?06:18
trip02 secs06:18
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Stskeepshello ilovemeego06:22
Stskeepstrip0: hmm06:22
Stskeepstrip0: root/rootme works or not?06:23
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trip0Stskeeps, nope :(06:28
trip0same timeout06:28
Stskeepstrip0: hmm06:28
Stskeepstrip0: what console= do you have?06:29
StskeepsO0? that's new06:32
trip0yeh, i was just thinking that06:32
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Stskeepstrip0: i don't know right now, check dbus is in packages?06:37
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Stskeepshello pippo60gd :)06:48
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Stskeepspippo60gd: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?06:48
trip0Stskeeps, you think dbus may be missing?06:50
Stskeepstrip0: worth checking06:50
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pippo60gdI wanted information on the possibility of being able to use devices on Wed allwinner a1006:50
Stskeepstrip0: and run me through how you installed the image onto SD06:50
Stskeepspippo60gd: should be possible, allwinner a10 is cortex-a9 ?06:50
Stskeepsclose enough06:51
trip0Stskeeps, dbus is there... at least the binaries are06:51
Stskeepsmer has a armv7-a port, so should work fine on cortex-a806:51
Stskeepspippo60gd: give it a try :) but you need to lift the hardware adaptation burden yourself06:51
Stskeepsie, package kernel, add graphics drivers, etc06:51
pippo60gdgpu of allwiner is mali-400.06:52
trip0Stskeeps, I ran a "" script on the rootfs which created fat32 and ext4 partition on the card, copied over the rootfs and ubuntu kernel and friends (uboot, etc).06:53
Stskeepstrip0: ok, tell me the rootfs copying part?06:53
trip0then I manually copied the modules and firmware from the ubuntu rootfs06:53
trip0Stskeeps, looks like the script does a "tar --numeric-owner --preserve-permissions -${DECOM} - -C ${TEMPDIR}/disk/"06:54
Stskeepsthat should work06:54
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Stskeepscan you check that the disk wasn't accidently mounted nosuid/nodev?06:54
Stskeepsby your os06:54
Stskeepswhen that was happening06:54
pippo60gdspark tablet has the same gpu. I can use the gpu drivers of spark?06:55
Stskeepspippo60gd: not likely, use gpu drivers from allwinner devices06:56
* Sage_ is starting to get annoyed by the slowness of Mer wiki :/06:57
StskeepsSage_: screen record it?06:58
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Sage_it takes ~20s for each page to load06:58
trip0Sage_, confirmed06:59
E-PSage_: for me the wiki works well06:59
Sage_E-P: no delay at all?06:59
lbtSage_: over a 1.6Mb ADSL link here:
E-PSage_: not really, even when I am signed in07:00
pippo60gd2d drivers are ok, but the 3d is closed source.07:00
lbtTime taken for tests:   10.489 seconds  (all 50 page loads)07:00
Sage_"The database is currently locked to new entries and other modifications, probably for routine database maintenance, after which it will be back to normal."07:01
Stskeepslbt: be just went arse slow07:01
lbtStskeeps: possibly whilst trip0 stressed it :)07:02
StskeepsOK, who's DoS'ing our infra07:02
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Stskeepspippo60gd: right, which is one reason why we have hardware adaptations external to mer, so you can deal with 3d drivers your own way07:03
Stskeepshi rare_ o/07:03
lbtthere's a copyproj happening which may be hitting fe/be also on phost107:03
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Stskeepslbt: that finished already though07:03
Stskeepsok, now better07:03
lbtno, mine I think07:03
lbt20120712T090322 GET 20007:03
lbt20120712T090323 POST
Stskeepsthat's me having fun07:03
lbtso it's all Stskeeps' fault :)07:04
lbtI do have a plan to make better use of HW07:04
lbtbut it's down the list - end of next week probably07:04
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lbtcurrently we just get occasional slowdowns07:04
Sage_E-P: well, that ab works fine. My browser on the other hand doesn't07:05
pippo60gdStskeeps: where can I find a guide for installation?07:05
Stskeepspippo60gd: start out with getting mer platform SDK,
tanuk2Stskeeps: mer-general doesn't seem to be archived by yet. I like the Gmane interface more than Do you mind if I add mer-general to Gmane?07:06
Stskeepstanuk2: feel free07:06
Sage_... firefox is slow, konqueror works fast07:06
Stskeepstanuk2: it keeps us honest to have external archives07:06
Stskeepsmeaning, we don't go and remove or censor old mailing list posts07:06
trip0beaglebone consumes like 1W idling at the login prompt. lol07:06
trip0pretty dang good07:06
Stskeepslike *cough* other open projects07:06
* trip0 whistles and pretends07:07
Sage_can someone else do comparison with firefox and some other browser to our wiki. Just wondering if it is my firefox or just firefox in general that has the issue.07:07
Stskeepsi use chrome personally07:07
dm8tbrtrip0: umm, is that a kernel with proper PM?07:07
* lbt uses firefox07:07
E-PSage_: I use firefox 13.0.107:08
Sage_13.0.1 here07:08
trip0dm8tbr, no. PM isn't implemented on the beaglebone iirc07:08
lbtSage_: got firebug?07:08
Sage_so my firefox :)07:08
lbtf12 then open net tab07:08
lbtthen reload07:08
lbtwill give you stats on wtf is going on07:08
Sage_restarted firefox and now it works fine :P07:09
E-Prestart fixes everything07:09
lbt*sigh* ,,,, my poor infra always gets the blame :D07:09
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Stskeepslbt: i'd really like somehow to have blocking mode work of copyprj if possible (phaeron may be better to ask)07:11
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Stskeepsor some way to track if it's done, asnc07:12
dm8tbrtrip0: yup, that's why I asked :)07:13
trip0dm8tbr, u think it can go lower?07:13
dm8tbrtrip0: I'd expect it to idle in the range of 2-20mA yes07:13
dm8tbrjust like an OMAP07:13
trip0o_O  that'd be a dream07:14
dm8tbrwhile I don't know about the peripherals etc. still <100mA should be easy at full idle07:14
trip0need to get total system under 500mA07:15
trip0including 3G07:15
dm8tbrthat might be challenging07:15
trip0i know 3G can eat up to 300mA easy07:15
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dm8tbras 3G can burst up to 700mA easily07:15
dm8tbrbasically there will be a direct relation between the node-B field strenght and power consumption07:17
trip0i'll have to do some tricks to get it to average 500mA during the day07:18
trip0solar panel in the car only outputs up to 500mA07:18
dm8tbryou might want to consider GSM instead. but trying out will show what's the better option07:19
trip0eight. sleep time.  later!07:19
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lbtStskeeps: yes, it really needs to run async with a query - it would be too dependent on a long tcp connection for sync to be the right solution07:28
lbtwe do have events07:29
lbtso a publish of a copyprj complete event would be correct IMHO07:29
Stskeepslbt: is zathras and fe on same phost?07:30
lbtthey wont be according to the new phost plan07:32
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Stskeepsi may want to move out MDS from be too07:33
lbtfor sure07:33
Stskeepsto up perf a bit07:33
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Stskeepshello totte :)07:37
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totteHi, I'm having some issues with my iPhone and am looking for something Linux-ish alternative that is actively developed.07:43
Stskeepstotte: well, we're being actively developed here at least :)07:43
Stskeepstotte: if you have any questions on Mer, or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time07:43
Stskeepselse feel free to hang out :)07:44
phaeronStskeeps: you get an <ok> after it is done07:44
Stskeepsgood morning phaeron07:44
Stskeepsphaeron: ok, but i don't get that over wire for some reason07:44
totteI'd use Android but I always had a hard time with Java. Python and Qt are easier for me to grasp. I understand though that Mer isn't widely available as of now?07:44
phaeronI get that when using the osc api command07:44
totteStskeeps: Thanks. :)07:45
phaeronit could be the osc command you or lbt implemented eating it07:45
Stskeepsphaeron: see pastie above07:45
phaeronI have no idea what it means , probably you tried that target project before ?07:47
phaeronand it is in broken state ?07:47
Stskeepsno, the second part of paste07:47
Stskeepsthe first one is likely just a broken state07:47
phaeronthe second one also doesn't mean anything , could be your nice proxy server not being patient enough07:48
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totteI don't quite understand - why can't I just download a CD image and install Mer onto a mobile phone, like I would with Fedora, Debian etc. and a PC?08:01
Stskeepstotte: because cellphones don't work that way, sadly08:02
Stskeepstotte: a PC is much more standardized than mobile phones - a lot of custom hardware, different types of modems, etc08:02
Jopeand not enough space to have drivers for everything just sitting around08:02
Paimenand even with Pc you might end up with not working GPU or other peripheral08:03
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dm8tbrcar analogy: pc: new OS is like changing tyres; smart phone, it's like changing the engine08:03
totteSo getting to use Mer depends on getting a phone built for it?08:03
Jopeor porting mer to said phone08:04
dm8tbror one where people have put the work into creating the HA layer08:04
PaimenMer depends to have HW adaptation for device and means to install OS to it08:04
Sage_alterego: ping #nemomobile ;)08:04
lbtoff out for the morning -- bbl8r08:06
totteOkay, so what's the difference between Mer and Nemo Mobile (which I read about on the wiki)? I thought Mer was a Linux distribution as well?08:07
PaimenNemo adds HW adaptation and UX08:07
PaimenNemo = Mer + Hw-adaptation + UI basically08:07
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totteOkay. So Nemo is sort of the finished product from the community, but others could spring up from vendors?08:13
Stskeepsothers have plasma active08:14
Stskeepswhich doesnt have anything to do with nemo08:14
Stskeepsor even GNOME stack on to08:14
* timoph wouldn't call nemo finished08:15
Stskeepsyeah, that too08:15
totteOh I thought that was hardware. So there's Nemo, Plasma Active and Cordia? Is Nemo some sort of internal project since it has no website of its own?08:15
Sage_lbt, Stskeeps:
Stskeepsit's just incubating08:16
Sage_link project seems work quite ok, but armv7l seems to have that kind of issue08:16
StskeepsSage_: do link project with i586 instead08:16
Stskeepsis maybe better08:16
timophit's meego community edition's continuation rebased to mer08:17
timoph(and needs a new ui layer :))08:18
timophkraah. 40 mins early at the station08:19
totteAhh, Cordia has a GNOME UI, Plasma Active has a KDE UI and Nemo has an UI based on MeeGo - which is something else.08:21
Stskeepsstarting to see a pattern? :P08:25
totteHow does Android compare to Mer? Is Android just a base or is it like Nemo etc?08:25
Stskeepsandroid is usually full stack08:25
Stskeepsui, hw adaptation, core08:25
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Stskeepsmer's just a core and does things differently, comes with systems08:26
Stskeepsmorn anidel o/08:26
anidelStskeeps: I am trying to have X not to start up and have a simply getty, I think I had getty to show up, but I was checking where we tell X to start. Is it systemd?08:29
Stskeepsanidel: uxlaunch does this normally08:29
Stskeepson n950/n9 you cannot expect a fbcon08:29
anidelah! I knew it, I thought it just contained the uxlaunch-er and then systemd would take care of launching it. Ok...ta08:30
anidelit's on the N90008:30
Stskeepsuxlaunch launches x08:30
Stskeepsin future, systemd will do all uxlaunch does08:30
slainemorning folks08:31
anidelI though it would just add the X launch to systemd indeed08:31
anidelperfect then..later I'll try.08:31
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Stskeepsphaeron: back again?08:33
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Stskeepsphaeron: for mer ports i have the funny issue that i use packages that are injected from x86 to arm and reverse.. and to do this sanely, i need to have x86 packages be disabled except for a few, and arm enabled for some08:35
Stskeepserr, arm enabled for all08:35
Stskeepsthe <meta> of the origin source package has it disabled08:36
phaeronok so preserve package meta08:36
phaeronwhy didn't you mention that earlier ? :D08:36
Stskeepsphaeron: i just remembered it now08:36
Stskeepsis this something that is simple, or is it a rabbit hole of problems_08:36
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phaeronI don't know , need to look at it first :)08:38
phaeronI am still in fixing rubygem install08:38
Stskeepsno rush, i'm testing x86 first08:39
phaeronso -g creates debugging symbols , and in a later stage they are supposed to be strippe08:39
Stskeepsseperated out08:39
phaeronhowever due to how this gem install is implemented the build is done in the install step08:39
Stskeepsand not in %build _08:40
Stskeepsare these people batshit insane?08:40
phaeronthis is suse ;)08:40
Stskeepsmy point remains!08:40
phaeronok so , moving the build to the %build step (!) might work , only if %install didn't rm -rf the build root08:40
phaeronis there a way to disable that ?08:41
Stskeepsare we really unable to make it skip install step? :P08:41
phaerondunno , remove %install ?08:41
Stskeepsi mean, isnøt there a øgem buildø kind of thing08:41
Stskeeps'gem build'08:42
phaeronit does that but the build compiles in place in the buildroot08:42
phaeronremoving %install might work actually08:42
phaeronright it works. but now unstripped-binary-or-object /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/gems/nokogiri-1.5.5/lib/nokogiri/nokogiri.so08:44
phaeronbecause that happens in %install , right ?08:44
Stskeepsa install post hook08:44
phaeronit actually built fine. and rpms were produced. but the original problem is not solved.08:45
phaeronso where is make install supposed to put stuff ?08:45
Stskeepsinto buildroot08:45
phaeronso $BUILDROOT/usr/bin08:46
Stskeeps%{buildroot} i think08:46
Stskeepsare we absolutely sure we can't avoid a install step in build process?08:46
Stskeepsin gem itself08:46
phaeron+ rm -rf /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/rubygem-nokogiri-1.5.5-0.i38608:47
phaeronthat's the first thing %install does08:47
phaeronbut that's where stuff is installed08:48
Stskeepscan you give me gem --help ?08:48
phaeronand the source is as well08:48
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phaeronyeah there is installdir as well , that's why I want to find out where it should be installed to08:48
phaeronI mean there is --install-dir option for gem08:49
phaeronI want to find out where it should go08:49
phaeronah the source should bin BUILD08:50
phaeronbe in08:50
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phaeronor rather _it_ is confused08:55
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anidel2012 and Linux distros still can't handle two monitors persistently :(09:01
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totteIt seems to me that the biggest competitors in mobile operating systems are iOS, Android, BlackBerry and Windows Phone. Maemo, MeeGo and Moblin seems to end in Tizen and Mer (for now). What kind of longevity could be expected from Mer? I get the impression that it's all a bit scattered.09:05
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Paimenwell things are scattered and ios / android are in dominant place, but well who knows where this all ends09:06
Stskeepstotte: mer is built to be stable in torms :)09:06
w00tas long as people are interested in it, it'll exist09:06
Stskeepser, storms09:06
w00tthankfully, it's not possible to kill off an open source project so easily as something you don't control09:06
Paimennew player can emerge and challenge old players, just look Nokia and fall of them09:06
fralsas long as elop doesnt get involved in mer, i recon its rather safe09:08
Paimenwell as long it has active people to push it forward09:09
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jonnorw00t, there are degrees of "alive" though (just like there are degrees of open)09:09
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Paimenos-projects might starve and die without contributors and active community09:09
jonnorDid Intel kill Meego? It is an open source project, but its pretty darn dead09:09
Stskeepsjonnor: they killed it, but it wasn't exactly built for continuation by anyone09:09
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Stskeepsmer's built for this09:09
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PaimenDinosaurs are dead, but well we have birds09:10
Paimenthings evolve09:10
jonnorStskeeps, yes, because it is more open/independent09:10
totteWould you say that Mer is the primary open source project among these? I mean, Android is marketed as open source but doesn't seem to allow much more flexibility than iOS.09:10
Stskeepstotte: android is open source but not really openly developed09:10
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anidelwith no Elop we might not have Mer of JollaMobile09:11
anidelor Mer as it is now09:11
Paimenyeah, lemons and lemonade etc09:11
Paimenwhy I speak in analogues now09:11
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Stskeepslbt: enabled OBS_VM_TMPFS="yes" on phost409:16
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Stskeepsgood morning andre__ :)09:18
phaeronStskeeps: so after a kludge , the stages work , but the "check for buildroot in binary" runs before strip, so I ran strip first and now it is complaining that buildroot is mentioned in the debug stuff09:19
Stskeepsphaeron: ok, give me url to package?09:25
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phaeronall trials were done locally09:25
Stskeepsphaeron: OK, can you make it not do "compiling" but actually output the gcc command line?09:27
phaeronexport make="make V=1"09:27
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phaeronyou want that on the server or output in pastie ?09:28
Stskeepson server ideally09:28
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Stskeepsphaeron: that log looks totally screwed09:29
Stskeepsit should not put .c files into %{buildroot}09:29
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* Stskeeps checks out package09:30
phaeronStskeeps: it's rebuilding now09:30
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phaeronStskeeps: this was copied directly out of suse09:30
phaeronStskeeps: ruby gems are insane by design09:30
phaeronso that gem2rpm system tries to make it a bit a better, packages them , works out deps etc ..09:31
Stskeepswhat was the fedora approach again..09:31
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phaeronStskeeps: saner but more painful. not sure if Sage_ evaluated it09:32
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Sage_phaeron: well, lbt said that we should use opensuse method as we are using ruby for OBS from there as well so in future migh be less painfull to use.09:35
phaeronit is less painful from packaging point of view as it works out the deps automatically etc .. but this debugging symbols problem is just weird09:36
phaeronStskeeps: moving the steps to %build and doing some tricks to have the right stuff in %install still doesn't help09:36
phaeronbecause the debugging symbols still have the offending string09:36
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Stskeepshello X35 :)09:41
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psiorJust noticed that links like get me a certificate error (tried with Chrome & Firefox) Is anyone aware of this?09:49
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Stskeepspsior: yes, we are too cheap to buy real certificates09:50
Stskeepsit's just a self-signed certificate, though with a common Mer CA09:50
psiorYeah I know, but wonder if there's any point to have it instead of plain HTTP?09:51
Stskeepspsior: so, the reason is that we allow signon to our common LDAP infra on there, and some services don't always react well to switching between http and https09:53
Stskeepslbt: can you get me a $$ number on getting us a sane cert for ?09:53
Stskeepspsior: so definately we need ssl, to protect passwords09:53
psiorI see.09:54
Stskeepswe do have a bug on this issue, FWIW09:55
Stskeepsand i think personally it's a problem09:55
X35Stskeeps: hello :)09:56
Stskeepsphaeron: why are we not all-in with opensuse usage?09:56
Stskeepsphaeron: opensuse 12.1 has rubygems package09:56
StskeepsX35: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?09:56
phaeronStskeeps: rubygems got merged into ruby so we do have it09:57
phaeronStskeeps: Sage_ packaged it09:58
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psiorStskeeps: mostly wanted to know it was documented at least, so good to know09:58
Stskeepspsior: thanks for reporting :)09:58
Stskeepsphaeron: ok, how about we actually match how opensuse has it..09:58
* Stskeeps tests that path out09:59
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X35Stskeeps: jolla :P10:00
StskeepsX35: excellent ;)10:00
StskeepsX35: if you have any questions on Mer, or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out10:01
phaeronStskeeps: this workaround fixes it for now10:01
anidelX35: also note, if you're not aware of it, that there's a #jollamobile specific chat10:01
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Stskeepsanidel: he's in there :)10:02
phaeronStskeeps: in opensuse factory the new ruby obsoletes the rubygem separate packag10:03
anidelStskeeps: worth saying also for others who may not be in there and here for Jolla.10:03
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phaeronSage_: I am ok with this workaround for now
Stskeepsphaeron: ok10:04
Sage_phaeron: well, that seems ok10:10
phaeronSage_: it means no debugging symbols. I wonder if we can try stripping it selectively. I think only the rdata section has the offending script10:14
phaeronSage_: also to make it less painful we can put those commands in the gem cleanup script10:14
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X35Stskeeps: i'm at work atm, but i'm interested in app developing for meego/tizen/whatever phones jolla are gonna come up with :) and anidel: thanks, i'm in there already :)10:21
StskeepsX35: sure :)10:21
phaeronSage_: strip -R rdata wasn't different. no debug symbols rpm generated10:22
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phaeronStskeeps: is there a way to modify relocation data in an elf ?10:24
phaeronlike libtool and stuff does ?10:25
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Stskeepsthat sounds a bit dirty10:25
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phaeronStskeeps: in the make install step some magic happens to get the paths right I think10:25
phaeronStskeeps: that step does not happen for the ruby gems , it builds it in place and expects you to use it there, except in the rpm packaging case it will get copied somewhere else10:26
* Stskeeps ponders to finance a python or lua plugin for tdriver10:26
phaeronso I was thinking of doing something similar to the make install step10:26
Stskeepsthere's a %gem_build thing too10:27
PaimenStskeeps: I vote for Lua10:27
Paimenaltought ruby is nice too (to use that is)10:27
phaeronStskeeps: I think that step is implicitly done in the %gem_install10:28
phaeronbut some difference in where it gets built10:29
phaeronI can test that too10:29
phaeronjust in case10:30
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alteregoThat's what the world needs /another/ HTML5 mobility framework *sigh*10:35
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Stskeepshello random_noob10:36
Stskeepswelcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?10:37
alteregoI thought you were taking the piss :)10:37
Paimenit really sounded like insult10:37
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random_noobjolla :)10:38
Stskeepsrandom_noob: hehe :) #jollamobile might be good too then. If you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :)10:38
random_noobyep, thanks :)10:39
random_noobi wanted to know what role mer actually plays in a mobile os?10:39
Stskeepsrandom_noob: so, mer is the core - you couple with a hardware adaptation, a UI and you have a product10:39
random_noobah, i see... and is mer based on linux?10:41
Stskeepsyes, it is10:41
phaeronStskeeps: didn't work , the %gem unpack , build , install macros approach is for gems with gemspec , and this one doesn't use that build mechanism10:42
* alterego contemplates rubyonrailsonmer10:42
phaeronso the workaround is ok for now imho10:43
random_noobStskeeps: ok, and the UI and apps would then be executed by mer?10:45
Stskeepsrandom_noob: yes, mer is basically qt, system control, other architectual stuff10:45
Stskeepsa set of components10:45
Stskeepsto avoid people needing to reinvent over and over10:45
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random_noobok, and when you develop an app that runs on mer, in what programming language(s) can you do it?10:46
Stskeepsgenerally we don't push a generic app story, that's vendors doing that, but qt as an example10:46
Stskeepsc++, python, etc10:46
random_noobcool :)10:47
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totteRight then, if the vendor is the one to provide hardware support (the kernel?) and the UI, what is it that you do that results in Mer? I had a look at the gitweb site and it looks like a list of the basic programs you get when you install Debian, plus Xorg. Do you compile the source for ARM instead of i386... or what is it that you do?10:54
Stskeepstotte: so, compared to other distributions, they don't optimize for mobile usage - we are for experience devices, so we need to fit nicely in RAM and do 60fps10:55
Stskeepstotte: and we need to fit into productization proceses10:56
Stskeepstotte: so we also deliver systems around the core10:56
Stskeepswe don't deliver the kitchen sink, we deliver a working mobile core stack10:56
Stskeepssomething that anybody on a small budget can scale from prototype to full scale company operation10:57
totteI think I got it now, thanks.10:58
Stskeepsalright, thanks for the questions :)10:58
Stskeepstotte: many of us are from actual product programmes doing mobile devices, so11:00
totteWhat about the graphical toolkits, though? Is it up to the vendor if you'll be allowed to write programs in Python and using Qt as the graphical toolkit? I don't see why someone would take Mer and only allow you to use Java like Android, but it seems as if that is possible.11:02
Stskeepstotte: it's up to the vendor, but we do optimize for the QML/HTML5 story ourselves11:02
Stskeepsbut we don't force a certain app story on anybody11:03
Stskeepsbasically: we provide a base that people are unlikely to really argue about, that everybody ends up doing anyway, and makes sure people can use it in products11:03
Stskeepsand provides security updates, new technology innovation, etc11:04
Stskeepswhich would normally be put with the 'linux guy' in a company11:04
Stskeepstargetting small to medium enterprises11:04
totteWell that sounds cool.11:04
Stskeepswe're a bit different, it'd be boring if we were yet another mobile handset attempt11:04
Stskeepsor just another distro11:04
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totteSo the vendor is more likely to just take it all when it comes to programming languages since you provide it, rather than pick it apart and only allow for a select few ones?11:06
totteProgramming languages, frameworks, etc...11:06
Stskeepsit really is up to them how they want to put their stack together11:06
Stskeepssome might only want to provide qml/html5 for some scenarios11:06
Stskeepsthink of mer as a lego piece, they add more pieces on top :)11:06
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Stskeepshello Epeli :)11:18
StskeepsEpeli: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?11:18
EpeliJust wanted to peek how things are going here :)11:19
Stskeepssure :) if you have any questions on Mer, or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :)11:20
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odin_#mer IRC user count > #meego IRC users count11:37
Stskeepswell, that channel is fairly shut down anyway11:37
mikhasbig surprise11:38
w00ttumbleweeds rolling through on a daily basis11:38
odin_just reading up on jolla11:38
alteregoMer is more like one of those big bits of lego floor you get, that you build things on top of :)11:41
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alteregoWhere the lego peices are in boxes labelled "nemo" and "cordia" and "jolla" :)11:42
alteregoMade out of OBS plastic? /me chuckles11:42
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E-PReminder: Mer QA meeting starting in 10mins11:50
Paimengood reminding time to take dogs outt then, so at least I can hang around for start11:50
Paimenany specific channel E-P ?11:51
E-Pyep, #mer-meeting11:51
Stskeepslbt: are you screwing around with phost4?11:53
Stskeepsor is puppet toying with me11:53
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lbtno, maybe11:58
Stskeepsbecause it's been reverting every single change i've been doing11:59
Stskeepswhich is a bit annoying11:59
shrikrishnagood day Stskeeps ! :)11:59
Stskeepslbt: now, how do i make puppet -do- my changes, instead?12:01
lbtStskeeps: post QA meeting?12:03
Stskeepslbt: yes12:03
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Stskeepslbt: ok, so, how do i kill ze puppet?13:02
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Stskeepswb phaeron13:17
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Sage_lbt: why mer sdk page says "Don't do zypper up" ?13:38
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phaeronSage_: lbt E-P sorry for missing the meeting, I was cycling in the rain :D13:45
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* lbt fell asleep :/13:59
lbtsorry Sage_,  Stskeeps13:59
lbtSage_: ssl bug13:59
Stskeepslbt: i feel like napping too14:00
lbtit was supposed to be 10m14:00
lbtanyhow... puppet14:00
mikhaslbt, getting so old already that you need your afternoon nap?14:01
mikhasbut it's the same for me after lunch, and if it's warm outside …14:02
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lbtmikhas: been like that for years already14:02
mikhasuh oh14:02
lbtI think it started when I worked at BT14:03
lbtso Stskeeps ... what are you changing that puppet changes back?14:04
Stskeepslbt: etc/sysconfig/obs-server / worker, etc/fstab14:05
Stskeepsit was coughing up hairballsa bout current setup14:05
Stskeepschanging to obs's own tmpfs method which went haywire on /fast14:05
Stskeepsso, how the heck do i fix that?14:05
lbtI don't think phost4 is puppetised there14:08
Stskeepswell something is tampering with my changes14:08
lbt# HEADER: This file was autogenerated at Thu Jul 12 13:31:10 +0200 201214:10
lbt# HEADER: by puppet.  While it can still be managed manually, it14:10
lbtthat's definitely a clue14:10
Stskeepshow do i make puppet do changes for me?14:10
lbtso.... just easing you in gently ... you know puppet is ruby, right?14:11
lbtssh to puppetadm14:11
mikhasI wish ruby had stayed in the web.14:12
lbtmikhas: kinda14:12
lbtthere's some bloody good stuff in there14:12
lbtbut it's run by a horde of 8-year olds with ADD14:12
mikhasand then there is the 80ies syntax14:13
mikhasthat too14:13
lbttest attitude is nice14:13
Stskeepslbt: ok, and how do i use puppet..14:13
lbtStskeeps: screen -x14:13
lbtand I'll show you around14:13
Stskeepslbt: i have to take a shower now and get ready for shopping, sadly14:13
mikhasshower before shopping?14:14
lbtOK - yell when back and I'll show you14:14
Stskeepsbut anyway, that phost4 is goverened by puppet right now is hindering my progress and screws up builds14:14
mikhasare you going for new underwear?14:14
Stskeepsmikhas: i work from home, i have weird habits.14:14
lbtshall I fix or wait?14:14
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Stskeepslbt: feel free to fix phost4 to not having /fast anymore, obs_vm_tmpfs=yes, unmount /fast, restart worker14:15
lbtmikhas: FYI I don't do "full" puppet14:15
lbtI use it to manage things that should be in sync over many machines14:16
lbteg resolv.conf, ldap.conf. ntp,14:16
lbtand then stuff like obs workers where we have many boxes with identical config14:16
lbtwe have a different tool called dcp which is like super-etckeeper and uses ssh/rsync and git to keep all /etc tracked (not controlled)14:17
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alteregobtw, great news about Jolla providing those servers :)14:22
alteregoHow long until we have ? :)14:23
lbtdidn't you try?14:25
mikhasamazing stuff14:26
lbtnote the "Latest updates" dates14:26
lbtbeen working on it a while .... backup plan if cobs goes away14:26
lbtbut we're using c.obs whilst we can14:26
alteregoSurely with the new hardware we might as well just stop using
alteregoAlso, can I have an account? :P14:27
lbtit's about 1/10 HW14:27
lbtactually it's less14:28
lbtbut obs worker-wise14:28
alteregoMy normal credentials don't work, is it not connected to LDAP?14:28
lbtit is, but it's currently restricted  - it needs wiping/redeploying14:28
lbtso I don't want anyone losing data14:29
alteregoAh, is it not possible to get to forward builds on until it goes off? So people can setup osc, etc. correctly now?14:29
lbttoo complec14:29
* alterego is still feeling quite hung over.14:30
lbtevery hour spent doing that is an hour less on the SDK or core or QA14:30
alteregoOn a positive note though, I've finished implementing the configurator and plugin management system for the new dialer ..14:30
alteregoNext up, libresource, resource-qt, then UI14:30
alteregoHow to make that pluggable without making the design too complex :/14:31
lbtalterego login to using bz credentials14:31
alteregoMaybe just a libresource plugin that can be used as a wrapper.14:31
alteregoAh, I see, I just used the wrong password ;)14:31
alteregoSo basically there's no point using it at the moment, because you're gonna wipe it sometime?14:32
lbtno, it should deny you14:32
lbtbut then I'll add you to ldap14:32
lbtand see if I remember how I set it up14:32
alteregoSeems to have worked, says I'm logged in and prompts to create new home project.14:32
lbtbad ... but meh14:32
lbtat least you've been warned :)14:33
alteregoSo, no point in using it?14:33
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alteregoOkay then14:33
lbtjust sleep well knowing it's there14:33
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phaeronStskeeps: so mer ci obs is working ok now ?15:02
Stskeepsphaeron: besides puppet screwing my worker(s), i'm fine15:03
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phaeronok :)15:12
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phaeronStskeeps: I'll look at preserving the pkg meta later today15:12
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trip0lbt, no armv7hl target for xubuntu on obs?15:56
Stskeepsi don't think they had armv7 back when that was imported15:57
trip0probably not hard float.  but soft float has been around for a couple years15:58
Stskeepsi think the arm release was not really official for a while though15:58
phaerontrip0: do they have  that target on suse obs ?16:01
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trip0phaeron, no16:03
trip0not for 11.1016:03
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phaeronyeah, I just tried to create similar targets  so if it wasn't there I didn't createit16:05
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phaeronStskeeps: Sage_: I changed the ruby macros so that it works like this now :16:10
phaeronStskeeps: gem install (which builds) it to builddir first and  then copying stuff to buildroot works16:11
Stskeepslbt: if you have time, i have time now - wife late home16:12
Stskeepsif you didn't fix it already16:12
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lbtStskeeps: sure16:16
Stskeepslbt: ok, where do i go?16:16
lbtpuppetadm and screen -x16:16
lbtthis is all the machines/roles16:17
lbtso phost4...16:18
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Stskeepser, where did you go there16:18
lbtI have a huge terminal - can you see it all ?16:19
Stskeepsnow i can16:19
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lbt'screen' didn't adapt ... nm16:20
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lbtsimple module first16:20
lbttries host-specific, 'group' and then generic OS16:20
lbtI only use OS for now16:21
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lbtso this is a simple way to sync files to many machines16:21
lbtthis used to do more on meego, LVM setup and such too16:22
* Stskeeps ponders to ditch 'sysadmin' from his cv16:22
Stskeepsthose repos are totally out of sync now16:23
mikhas only have stuff on your CV that you would enjoy doing ;-)16:23
Stskeepswe should use mer obs repo only16:23
lbtI'm surprised it's working at all tbh16:23
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lbtinclude repo is a mechanism to provide 'zypprepo' ...16:24
lbtthis installs obs-worker16:25
lbtthe general approach is goal-oriented16:25
lbtit's concurrent so any dependency should be explicit16:25
lbthence the require of the repos16:25
Stskeepsso, get rid of /fast mount16:26
lbtdid you do this?16:26
lbtor am I losing it?16:26
Stskeepsi didn't delete anything16:26
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Stskeepsi tried to get rid of /fast most on phost4 but puppet wouldn't let me :P16:26
lbtwe need an initrd with virtio stuff16:27
lbtso long as there is one "/boot/initrd-$kernelrelease-obs_worker"16:28
lbtthen we're OK16:28
lbtthis is Make-like16:28
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lbtweird stuff like export rootfstype=ext4   is a mkinitrd issue on suse16:29
Stskeepsand where do we edit obs-server in sysconfig?16:29
lbtsource=> modules/obsworker16:29
lbtthat maps to this directory ./files/16:29
Stskeepssysconfig/obs-worker is obsolete now, i think16:29
lbtit can use both iirc the code16:30
Stskeepsobs-server is what matters, suppsedly16:30
lbttop split is "./files"16:30
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Stskeepswe can probably change the worker location since we'll just be mounting obs tmpfs'es16:31
Stskeepsfrom /fast16:31
lbtshall we move to obs-server?16:31
Stskeepsthough obs-worker overrides obs-server i tghink16:32
lbtis it setup correctly on phost4 ?16:32
lbtyeah, we can ensure=> not-present16:32
Stskeepsit's not set up correctly on phost416:32
Stskeepsdue to puppet16:32
lbtOK, we can edit an obs-server16:33
Stskeepsbasically we just need to have root dir somewhere (/fast is silly), and then enable the obs_vm_tmpfs=yes16:34
lbtthat obs-server is from phost416:34
lbtgoogling to check syntax16:37
lbtok, that's correct16:38
lbtor I could have looked there16:38
lbtdo we need any -static anymore?16:39
Stskeepsnot really, but let's keep it around for good measure16:40
lbtI restart puppetmaster, not sure you need to16:40
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Stskeepsi should unmount /fast on phost4?16:42
Stskeepsso puppet should have committed by now?16:42
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lbtruns every 30m16:42
lbthttp://airy:5001/puppet has more details16:43
Stskeepsany way to make it do it now?16:43
lbtneed to edit the obs-server file first16:43
lbtback in screen ?16:44
lbtARCHes ?16:44
Stskeepsand i guess armv7l is ok too16:45
Stskeepswe should make some kind of break for that at some point..16:45
Stskeepsand just unify the things16:45
lbt*nod* ... when we do it'll affect all workers at once :)16:46
Stskeepssince we work with seperated repos anyway16:46
Stskeepsworkers dont care about archs :P16:46
lbtgood point :)16:46
lbtthis should be used for be too16:46
Stskeepsisn't there a standard location for worker data/16:48
Stskeepsshould be fine16:48
lbtdefault is ""16:48
lbtso not sure16:48
Stskeepsi usually do -j416:49
lbtsounds a lot if we're running multiple VMs on a dual-4 core16:49
lbt5 workers running -j416:50
lbt4 running -j2 ?16:51
Stskeepsok, but we should plan benchmarks in future16:51
Stskeepson how best to utilize16:51
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Sage_phaeron: very nice16:54
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phaeronSage_: cool :D16:56
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lbtStskeeps: what values have you been using for RAM/rootfs for the workers16:57
Stskeepslbt: 2048, 8192 for rootfs16:57
lbt10Gb per worker then16:58
Stskeepsmakes sense16:58
Stskeeps4096 swap, for those intense jobs16:58
Stskeepsit doesn't actually fill that up, it's a sparse file, so16:59
lbt40Gb for 4 workers .... 32Gb of real RAM16:59
lbtyeah it's sparse16:59
Sage_lbt: building up for the new community obs?16:59
Stskeepsno, merci17:00
Stskeepslbt: hmm17:00
lbtjust saying that if all 4 instances hit full disks and full ram, then we'd "only" be at 40Gb17:00
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lbtthe phost should have enough swap to ensure oom doesn't pop though ... just in case17:00
Stskeepsi think it should be okay17:01
lbtme too17:01
lbtnot sure where swap is allocated from17:02
phaeronlbt: fixed repodiff tool. we can generate nice changelogs between releases from static repos.17:02
phaeronSage_: useful for nemo as well17:02
lbtgood - thanks17:03
lbtsee if it works for obs project published repos?17:03
lbtcompare Mer:Tools and Mer:Tools:Testing for me ?17:03
Sage_phaeron: yes17:03
lbtphaeron: if that gives nice results we may wrap some css around it and call it REVS217:04
lbtStskeeps: OK.. lessee17:04
phaeronlbt: meego had the nice css for that, I'll see if I can dig it up17:04
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lbtpuppet agent --onetime --no-daemonize --debug FYI17:05
lbtit's on the internal wiki17:05
Stskeepsso now it's deployed?17:05
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lbterr: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Error 400 on SERVER: Syntax error at 'notify'; expected '}' at /etc/puppet/modules/obsworker/manifests/obsworker-main.pp:201 on node
Stskeepslo chouchoune17:06
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lbtStskeeps: 2012-07-12 19:07:45: building 'qtwebkit' for project 'Core:0.20120719.0.0.2:i486' repository 'Core_i486' arch 'i586' using helper linux3217:10
lbtstarts up nice and easy then?17:10
Stskeepsqemu: could not load kernel 'vmlinuz-': No such file or directory17:10
phaeronlbt: order by verbosity
phaeronlbt: I think this is a great base to start with17:11
lbtno clogs?17:12
phaeronthat's why I said base to start with17:12
lbtOK - I thought it made them by default ... sry17:12
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phaeronI'll try to add that option17:13
phaerongtg now17:15
lbtl8r ... ta17:15
lbtworker 317:16
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lbtthere we go then17:17
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Stskeepswhat other phosts were dedicated to be workers?17:19
lbtneed to find notes17:20
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lbtright ... so 6/7 are to be new workers too17:25
lbtwhen they're up I can take 4 back down to being a VM host and maybe move much of the fe/be stuff here17:26
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* alterego looks at building a new workstation17:38
CosmoHillwhat for?17:39
Aardalterego: I have a dual pentium board I don't use anymore.. ;)17:39
CosmoHillAard: the 1.4Ghz or the 550Mhz?17:39
Aard350, but I think you can overclock it17:40
alteregoCosmoHill: just want something good for heavy lifting on my desktop, rather than my laptop.17:40
CosmoHillI build my desktop with processor and RAM, onboard graphics17:40
alteregoI'm looking at Core i717:40
CosmoHillsilent, dual digital display :)17:40
alteregoDual headed display.17:40
CosmoHillmy motherboard has dvi, hdmi and vga17:41
CosmoHillI'm not sure if the higher end i7s will have a built in gpu17:41
* Aard is currently at the point where I'd like to have more than 2 digital outputs, but without binary blobs. :(17:42
dm8tbrusb-displaylink :)17:42
alteregoMaybe I'll get this barebones and build on it:
Aarddm8tbr: I have one here, does not play together with existing graphicscards, and no hotplug17:43
dm8tbrI was thinking of starting a second x-server and doing xdmx over the two17:43
Aarddm8tbr: though someone started working on it, but I currently don't have the time to rebuild my x with his patches17:43
dm8tbroh, have pointers?17:44
alteregoCan you get dual i7?17:44
alteregoWould I be being greedy?17:44
* alterego chuckles17:44
Aardsomewhere in the depth of my bookmorks, needed further searching. he just started it when git was down, and I fear he's now continuing his work in a git repository on I've not yet found17:44
Aardwas one of the things I moved to bookmarks in the last browser cleanup, and I currently still have two browser windows with 50+ tabs each17:46
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alteregoI have about 10 open in two instances, but I find that annoying, need a new browsing paradigm :)17:52
Sage_error: line 30: Unknown tag: Recommends:     rubygem-rdoc-data >= 2.5.317:52
alteregoI should use firefoxs save all tabs bookmarks17:52
Sage_lbt, Stskeeps: Should we also enable Recommends tags?17:53
lbtSage_: I like them ... I bitched about them for git/rsync iirc18:03
lbtthey allow a lighter inter-repo dependency too18:03
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srikanthHello can we install mer sdk in Fedroa18:46
lbtsrikanth: yes18:47
lbtit should work in any modern distro - please let us know if you have problems18:47
lbtI'm fairly sure we have fedora users already too :)18:47
srikanthlbt: i am trying to install ...i will update18:48
chouchouneI stopped using Fedora a few weeks ago but the SDK installed and worked correctly when I tried it18:51
w00tI have an SDK install on F1618:52
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phaeronlbt: apparently it has changelogs19:09
phaerondunno why nothing came out of tools19:09
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Stskeepsphaeron: verify rpm -q --changelog -p *.rpm ?19:22
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phaeronthe script uses the  src.rpms xml metadata19:31
phaerondoing it against some other repo got changelog info19:32
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Stskeepshello bzyx :)19:40
Stskeepsbzyx: witam z #mer ;) so what brings you here?19:41
Stskeepsok, that was probably the worst polish i've ever done and i'm even supposed to know a little bit about it..19:42
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Stskeepshey fk_lx :)19:46
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fk_lxhi Stskeeps19:46
fk_lxI am writing you a mail at the moment19:47
Stskeepshey mlong :)19:47
bzyxfk_lx is why I came here ;-P19:48
Stskeepsalright ;)19:48
Stskeepswell, welcome to you both :) if you have any questions on Mer, feel free to ask at any time (in english, please, my polish is -horrid-), or on how to contribute, else feel free to hang out :)19:48
fk_lxStskeeps - that's ok I don't use polish when talking to foreigners :-D19:49
Stskeepslbt: hmm, qtwebkit caused it to keel over, as only job19:50
Stskeepsthat's intruiging19:50
mlonghi Stskeeps :)19:52
Stskeepsmlong: welcome :) so what brings you here?19:52
mlonggeneral curiousity19:53
lbtStskeeps: looking19:54
Stskeepslbt: killed the worker19:54
Stskeepslooked like tmpfs ran out19:54
Stskeepswhich is curious19:54
lbtqtwebkit ...19:55
lbtchecking meego power worker spec -- huge iirc19:56
Stskeepsit can really do much less, i think it's disk space that's the problem19:56
Stskeepsnot ram19:56
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Stskeepsbut we also have swap19:57
Stskeepsit uses root_size for the tmpfs allocation19:58
lbtcorrect - so no matter what, if it runs out of disk swap won't help :)19:59
lbteven tmpfs disk19:59
lbt"looked like tmpfs ran out"19:59
Stskeepswell, there was a shiny "--" in df20:00
lbterm /dev/mapper/vg0-phost2_home20:01
Stskeeps    push @targs, "mount", "-t", "tmpfs", "-osize=${vmdisk_rootsize}M", "none", $buildroot;20:02
Stskeepsoh, yeah20:03
Stskeepsremember the template?20:03
lbtthis is mer OBS?20:03
Stskeepsi wonder if this means swap isn't on tmpfs20:03
fk_lxStskeeps: sent you an e-mail so now I can talk :-)20:03
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Stskeepsfk_lx: alrighty20:04
fk_lxStskeeps: Actually I have two students that would be interested in doing something for Mer or related stuff20:04
fk_lxStskeeps: both like low level programming20:04
fk_lxStskeeps: one is supposed to do BSc/Eng project and the other one MSc thesis20:05
Stskeeps:nod: but i think much of the actual research is a bit higher level20:05
Stskeepsmost os development stuff has been done in lowlevel already20:05
fk_lxStskeeps: mhmmm20:05
lbtfk_lx: systems work or OS work?20:05
Stskeepsfk_lx: else we move over into kernel development or stuff that typically belongs over in electronics engineering..20:06
fk_lxfk_lx: one of them has experience in kernel programming - has done some contribution to V4L220:06
fk_lxfk_lx: and some reverse engineering20:06
Stskeepslbt: started worker ain20:07
fk_lxfk_lx: other one knows Qt and system work20:07
lbtlooking at bs_worker20:08
Stskeepslbt: ok, so swap is part of root_1/20:09
Stskeepswhich then becomes undersized20:09
Stskeepstmpfs size should be rootfs + swap size20:09
Stskeepsok, "ought to be"20:10
Stskeepsright now, it puts 10g of files on a tmpfs fit for 8g20:10
lbtyeah. I realise20:11
lbtjust wondering where the IO is going and about RAM20:11
lbtbut yeah. you're right20:11
Stskeepsso we patch this on be, i guess20:11
lbtmy concern is that swap is actually going to use RAM in tmpfd20:11
Stskeepsin an ideal world20:11
Stskeepsswap would be backed by actual hd20:12
Stskeepsand root on a tmpfs20:12
Stskeepsfk_lx: btw, not ignoring you, just thinking :)20:13
lbtif it's sparse it may be OK20:13
lbtStskeeps: and I'd expected that20:13
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fk_lxStskeeps: no problem I am doing other things in parallel20:15
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lbtnone                  8.0G  2.8G  5.3G  35% /var/cache/obs/worker/root_120:17
lbtStskeeps: given -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.0G Jul 12 22:06 swap20:18
lbtI think we can be sure swap is sparse20:18
Stskeepsyes, but when it started being used?20:19
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lbtso I think we need to back tmpfs to real swap on the phost20:20
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Stskeepsno swap on phost?20:20
lbtand increase tmpfs in the worker to 12Gb20:20
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chouchounemmmhhh, was looking at a bug here : but it needs some new packages to be resolved20:24
chouchounemany perl dependencies not yet in Mer20:24
chouchouneshall we/I package these dependencies and add them to the core or better stay with an outdated version of libwww-perl ?20:25
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lbtwe love stezz!!!20:29
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lbtchouchoune: I favour including them ... http-daemon is the only one I'd questionn20:30
lbtI'd guess it's more been factored out than increased in size20:30
Stskeepsfk_lx: the best way to do a msc thesis is to spend a bit of time in the subject matter and identify challenges in it and use one of those problematics as the topic20:30
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fk_lxStskeeps: so you have spent a bit of time in the subject, you probably know what are the current challenges :-)20:31
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Stskeepsfk_lx: QA of a mobile core is always an interesting topic20:32
Stskeepshow do you actually test a linux userland?20:32
chouchounelbt: yes, I think he has just redesigned all his stuff as the same person made all the "new" packages20:32
Stskeepschouchoune: that doesn't look healthy20:32
chouchounehelthy ?20:33
chouchounehealthy ?20:33
Stskeepsie, the amount of new dependencies20:33
Stskeepsthey split up libwww?20:33
lbtStskeeps: it's the same code broken into re-usable chunks20:33
lbtwell, I speculate so20:33
chouchounedidn't look at the code yet20:34
lbtGisle Aas is an uber-coder :)20:34
chouchouneso, if I create these new packages, I have another problem : I don't know how to submit new packages ;)20:34
Stskeepschouchoune: you pester the project architect20:35
Stskeepsand he'll create new git repos20:35
lbtand if he says yes and is busy I can do it too20:35
chouchouneok, so I'll ping you when it's done20:35
chouchouneit might take some time ;)20:36
lbtStskeeps: you OK with it?20:36
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Stskeepslbt: i need to see the packages first20:36
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chouchounethe packages, as RPMs, or the perl packages ?20:37
Stskeepsthe additional packages, just in obs somewhere20:37
lbtchouchoune: can you confirm there are no additional deps20:37
* alterego tests new dialer ringtone notifier plugin.20:37
lbtalterego: we had a sound designer pop up on twitter20:38
chouchounelbt: what do you mean by additional ?20:38
chouchouneconfirm that it's just a split of his package ?20:38
alteregoA sound designer?! That sounds like an awesome job.20:38
chouchoune(previous package)20:38
Stskeepsalterego: you can make the most awesome sound effects with dead chicken20:38
lbtchouchoune: ie just validate none of the new packages have their own deps20:39
alteregow.t.f. Stskeeps ? :P20:39
Stskeepssorry, i should really go sleep20:39
chouchounelbt: ah yes OK, I'll check that20:39
chouchounegood night Stskeeps20:40
lbtalterego: what's your twitter nick ?20:40
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lbtalterego: so that does ringtone stuff eh?20:41
alteregolbt: yeah,20:42
alteregoYay, ringing tone works! :)20:42
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alteregoAwesome, I'm really pleased with that now :)20:46
alteregoIt doesn't skip like the current dialers ringtone stuff.20:46
* Stskeeps heads to bed20:48
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alteregog'night :)20:48
fk_lxStskeeps: bye :-)20:49
alteregonext task, dbus service for UI->Manager RPC20:49
alteregoThen I can start knocking together the new UI :)20:50
chouchounelbt: I confirm that that there is no other dependency coming from the first-level dependencies20:50
lbtgood, note that in the bug - also you may want to note the codesize20:51
chouchoune(I used perl 5.16 to check the core dependencies but if needed I'll update perl to 5.16 as it's another bug)20:51
lbt(I'm thinking of things that will answer any possible objections)20:51
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chouchounelbt: how do you want me to give the codesize : sum of the compressed tarballs or size of uncompressed code ?20:59
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alteregoOoo, just got an email about my proposal for Leapmotion SDK :)21:00
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lbtchouchoune: something that helps Stskeeps see what difference this makes to an installation21:07
lbtso installed codesize would be ideal21:07
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chouchounewill do that tomorrow21:14
chouchounesleeping time ;)21:15
lbtnight - ta21:15
chouchounegood night21:15
* alterego ponders sending JSON over DBus21:16
alteregoDoes that make me evil? :)21:16
lbtuse 0mq21:17
lpotterjson is evil21:17
alteregoI plan on doing that aswell, but I need to use DBus for dialer as all the other things like address book rely on that interface.21:17
lbtjson or yaml ?21:17
alteregoFor my personal mer vendor project, I'll be using a JSon RPC method.21:17
w00talterego: seen the json service stuff someone wrote for qt5?21:18
Sage_yey, opensuse ruby done for tdriver :)21:18
alteregoSo the dialer is heavily modular and allows different service frontends :)21:18
alteregow00t: yeah, shortly after I'd already implemented my own :P21:18
Sage_now I would only need to test that it works :D21:18
alteregoSending data structures over dbus is a pita :/21:20
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alteregoGod, damn, dbus ..22:43
alteregoFinally ..22:48
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alteregoCool, now to implement the UI runtime.22:54
alteregoMaybe I should wait until tomorrow for that though.22:54
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