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| iekku | morning | 03:35 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: morning! When I do 'osc build' under Mer-sdk, it reports error: http://pastie.org/4229662 | 04:25 |
| sonach | please do me a favor when you have time :) | 04:25 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: and the MerDS:Core:armv7l is Version 20120517, | 04:27 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: try with --clean too | 05:02 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: maybe you have to clean our your local obs client cache | 05:19 |
| Stskeeps | morning denism :) | 05:19 |
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| Stskeeps | hi kenya888_ :) | 05:19 |
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| kenya888_ | Stskeeps: hi:) | 05:20 |
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| Stskeeps | kenya888_: welcome :] so what brings you here to #mer ? | 05:20 |
| kenya888_ | Stskeeps: from #jollamobile topic msessge by you. I'm happy to hear maemo/meego is alive :) | 05:23 |
| Stskeeps | kenya888_: cool :) if you have any questions about Mer Core, or would like to know how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :) | 05:24 |
| Stskeeps | and yeah, it seems to have struck a nice chord in the market | 05:24 |
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| kenya888_ | Stskeeps: Thanks :) I'd like to find something to contribute for mer:) | 05:35 |
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| Stskeeps | kenya888_: sure, http://bit.ly/L9v3nR has some nice low prio ones to start out with | 05:38 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: 'osc build --no-verify standard armv7el --clean', the same error :( | 05:39 |
| phaeron | morning | 05:39 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: did you test anymore ? | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: no, i collapsed in bed | 05:44 |
| kenya888_ | Stskeeps: thanks, i'll try:) | 05:45 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: ok :) | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: find the path to your obs cache and clean it out | 05:46 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: where is the obs cache? or how to find the path? | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: check your .oscrc | 05:53 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: after 'rm /var/tmp/osbuild-packagecache', the same error... | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: rm -rf /var/tmp/osbuild-packagecache/* | 05:56 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: the same error... | 05:56 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: hmmm | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: moment, let me wake up properly :) | 05:59 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: ok, thank you very much :) | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | (MerDS:Core:armv7l) rpm-4.9.1.2-1.10.Mer.armv7l.rpm 100% |=================================| 467 B 00:00 | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | looks really broken | 06:00 |
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| Stskeeps | i think you may need to re-rsync and verify that package .rpm | 06:00 |
| sonach | re-rsync? | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | yes rsync it again | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | the particular version | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 06:00 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: in MerDS, do 'make update'? or how to re-rsync this package? | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ah, version is 0517, hmm | 06:01 |
| sonach | yes, not 0614, | 06:02 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: My MerDS version is 0517, and I download 0614 from releases.merproject.com to my /srv/obs/repos, | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: go into obs-repos/Core:armv7l/Core_armv7l/armv7el/ | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | remove rpm.rpm and wget http://releases.merproject.org/obs-repos/Core:armv7l:0.20120517.1/Core_armv7l/armv7el/rpm.rpm | 06:04 |
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| Stskeeps | hello phinaliumz | 06:05 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: after that, the same error ... | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: hmmm | 06:08 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: can you show me contents of rpm.rpm ? | 06:08 |
| phinaliumz | good morning / suitable timezone reference Stskeeps | 06:10 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: hehe, UGT is in practice here :) | 06:10 |
| Stskeeps | phinaliumz: hehe, UGT is in practice here :) | 06:10 |
| Stskeeps | phinaliumz: so what brings you here to #mer ? | 06:11 |
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| phinaliumz | Stskeeps: :) | 06:12 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4230007 | 06:12 |
| phinaliumz | Stskeeps: I'm just curious, I saw a reference to #mer in Jolla tweets | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | phinaliumz: sure :) Jolla uses mer as their OS core, for specific jolla discussion, #jollamobile, but if you have questions on Mer, or would like to know how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :) | 06:13 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: that | 06:14 |
| Stskeeps | 's the rpm from obs cache? | 06:14 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: from /srv/mer/mds/release-tools/obs-repos/Core:armv7l:latest/Core_armv7l/armv7el | 06:14 |
| phinaliumz | Stskeeps: thanks, I will want to learn how to contribute in later time, when I have finished the projects currently taking all my time, meanwhile I'm just planning to hang out in here :) | 06:14 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: on MerDS VM, | 06:14 |
| Stskeeps | phinaliumz: then feel welcome to do so :) | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: hmm | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | that's curious | 06:15 |
| phinaliumz | thanks :) | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: can you try in obs cache then? | 06:15 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: you mean '/var/tmp/osbuild-packagecache/MerDS:Core:armv7l/Core_armv7l/armv7l'? nothing there, | 06:16 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: hmmmm | 06:16 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: go out for a moment :P | 06:16 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: prefix your osc build call with -d | 06:17 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning shrikrishna, pohly | 06:25 |
| shrikrishna | good morning Stskeeps , how do you do? | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | shrikrishna: fine thank you, got a day ahead of me testing out our new copy-whole-project OBS functionality | 06:26 |
| shrikrishna | cool! | 06:27 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: when do 'osc build -d xxx', slightly different from before: http://pastie.org/4230132 | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ah, osc -d build | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | not osc build -d | 06:45 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4230138 | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, wget http://linux-7ayq.site/repositories/MerDS:/Core:/armv7l/Core_armv7l/armv7l/rpm-4.9.1.2-1.10.Mer.armv7l.rpm | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | and show me contents of that | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | that looks weird, by the way | 06:46 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: very strange: http://pastie.org/4230145 | 06:48 |
| sonach | Connecting to linux-7ayq.site|192.168.188.142|:80... failed: Connection refused. but 188.142 is my backend, | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: that's very strange indeed | 06:49 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: why do you specify 'http://linux-7ayq.site/repositories/MerDS:/Core:/armv7l/Core_armv7l/armv7l/rpm-4.9.1.2-1.10.Mer.armv7l.rpm'? | 06:51 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: and what VM will host 'repositories/MerDS:/Core:/armv7l/Core_armv7l/armv7l/rpm-4.9.1.2-1.10.Mer.armv7l.rpm' when it is normal? | 06:52 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: i am a bit confused on why your MerDS packages are on repository anyway | 06:53 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: by the way, the building of WebUI is fine ... | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | that's even more strange | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | well | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | just a moment.. | 06:53 |
| sonach | ok, | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: add --download-api-only to osc build | 06:55 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: it looks fine this time, | 06:59 |
| sonach | still building.... | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok | 06:59 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: build success, | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | so something is screwy on your repositories side | 07:01 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: what do you mean by 'on your repositories side'? | 07:01 |
| sonach | what VM? | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | what is hosting /repositories/ perhaps | 07:02 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: but in my opinion, nothing is hosting '/repositories/'... | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | something weird is going on, at least :) | 07:03 |
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| sonach | will MerDS 'make update' help a bit? | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | can you file this behaviour to bugs.*? | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | it might be a problem on our side | 07:04 |
| sonach | and what is '--download-api-only' meaning? I don't find it under 'osc build --help'? | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't documented | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | it means, don't try to look on http repositories | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | just ask the sere | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | r | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | server | 07:05 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: so what is the difference? | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: means it only asks the OBS API, and not the repositories that we use for image creation | 07:06 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: but for image creation, the repos address should be specified, for example, http://192.168.188.143:82. why will the 'osc build' will look on the repos for image creation? | 07:07 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I mean, when i create image, i will specify the repos for image creation in the ks file, | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: because osc thinks that it may be more bandwidth efficient to grab a package from repository | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | which is typically mirrors | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | ed | 07:10 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: so if osc grab packages from repos successfully, it will not grab them from OBS API, right/ | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: correct | 07:12 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK, so it will not affect our work too much :) i will file this to bugzilla, | 07:13 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: and thank you very much for your time :) | 07:13 |
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| lbt | morning all | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 07:20 |
| lbt | hey sonach | 07:21 |
| lbt | I wrote up our discussion recently | 07:21 |
| Jeffrey04 | /join #N9 | 07:21 |
| Jeffrey04 | oops | 07:21 |
| lbt | I'll send you a copy to confirm it's OK and then put it on the site after you make any changes you need to | 07:22 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning saya | 07:24 |
| saya | Good morning :) | 07:25 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: success in copyproject and change link | 07:37 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: good stuff | 07:38 |
| lbt | I'll look at helping clean up the patch later | 07:39 |
| lbt | I want to finish the N900 minimal Mer first | 07:39 |
| lbt | so at the moment I'm on SW rendering | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | why? :P | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | show me .ks | 07:40 |
| lbt | well, I thought due to that Xorg missing driver | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | no | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | that's just a silly thing about GLX | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | dri is actually provided by the xorg driver | 07:40 |
| lbt | let me boot it | 07:41 |
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| slaine | morning all | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 07:44 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4230328 | 07:48 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: fyi ... the problem is that the QML shaders are not appearing - I get a moving pink rectangle | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: check .xsession-errors | 07:49 |
| w00t | lbt: sounds like a feature to me.. :-P | 07:49 |
| w00t | the world needs more pink | 07:49 |
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| lbt | w00t: :P | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: success in copyproject and change link | 07:50 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ah ... I was only focused on GLES not working - yep it's an error in .xsession | 07:51 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/4230345 | 07:51 |
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| lbt | w00t: too ^^ | 07:51 |
| lbt | that runs fine on the ExoPC | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: shaders are not always working sanely cross platform | 07:52 |
| lbt | riiiiiiight | 07:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not kidding | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:52 |
| lbt | I know ... | 07:53 |
| lbt | that's what makes it worse ... but yeah, it makes sense , it's passing through to underlying HW/SW implementations | 07:53 |
| w00t | sroedal: ^, maybe you have a suggestion? | 07:53 |
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| Stskeeps | morn stefan_schmidt_w, ravirdv :) | 07:58 |
| ravirdv | morning! :) | 07:59 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | hi folks | 08:00 |
| ravirdv | hi | 08:00 |
| w00t | ah.. he's afk | 08:01 |
| * w00t forgot | 08:01 | |
| sonach | lbt: ok, so you will send the draft to my email? | 08:09 |
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| alterego | moaning | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | morn alterego | 08:59 |
| alterego | Aloha | 09:03 |
| anidel | morning chaps | 09:04 |
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| sledges | morn! | 09:18 |
| anidel | thanks :) | 09:19 |
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| sledges | :) | 09:19 |
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| alterego | Still contemplating sending an angry tweet to Tizen about my name being removed from the dialer source. | 09:24 |
| alterego | Not just mine, they've even removed the AUTHORS file | 09:24 |
| leinir | well, that's pretty much illegal - surely they don't want /that/ particular problem :P | 09:25 |
| alterego | Well, I've been wondering that if they change my contributions by n%, does that mean that it's more theirs than mine. | 09:26 |
| X-Fade | alterego: Did you verify that your code is still in there? | 09:29 |
| alterego | Yup | 09:29 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm that is bad. | 09:29 |
| alterego | Though you could argue that some of the files where they've replaced the header are based on my design, but have been quite heavily modified | 09:30 |
| anidel | which file is that? | 09:30 |
| sledges | how about tweeting at #tizen ? | 09:30 |
| alterego | anidel: all the Qml files | 09:30 |
| alterego | Except maybe 2 or 3 of them. | 09:30 |
| anidel | and, sorry, which package is it? | 09:32 |
| w00t | alterego: where are you looking? http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-dialer/blobs/master/AUTHORS seems to contain you | 09:32 |
| anidel | just out of curiosity | 09:32 |
| anidel | ok | 09:32 |
| w00t | as does all of the QML files I looked at | 09:33 |
| alterego | w00t: it's the source rpm in the Tizen download area. | 09:33 |
| alterego | I don't think that project has been touched in ages. | 09:33 |
| w00t | no, it hasn't, i didn't know they kept the dialer at all | 09:33 |
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| w00t | (not that I've been paying attention to tizen) | 09:34 |
| alterego | w00t: it's used in Tizen IVI, which is still largely MeeGo based. | 09:34 |
| anidel | here? https://review.tizen.org/git/?p=profile/ivi/hfdialer.git;a=tree | 09:35 |
| alterego | That's it | 09:35 |
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| alterego | pick a random Qml file, all but three of those I wronte. | 09:36 |
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| anidel | they now state Intel (C) | 09:37 |
| anidel | maybe they asked it to Intel ? | 09:37 |
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| alterego | Well, someone mentioned yesterday that maybe they thought I was contracting for them, in which case it would be Intel IP. But I never was | 09:39 |
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| alterego | basysKom even tried to get a contract with them on my behalf, but they employed some other contractors for the new version. Which made me give up on the project late last year. | 09:39 |
| anidel | it all depends on who actually made the change. Intel or Samsung. | 09:40 |
| alterego | Not samsung, this'll be Intel, as Samsung aren't doing the IVI stuff I don't think. | 09:40 |
| w00t | alterego: i'd just send an email to e.g. dawn or shane - they'll know who to bump to fix it | 09:41 |
| slaine | Wasn't there something early on where you had to give up copyright to anything you submitted ? | 09:41 |
| alterego | slaine: that's the Qt project :P | 09:41 |
| w00t | Qt does not require copyright assignment | 09:41 |
| slaine | Was the same for Moblin and MeeGo initially, though I thought MeeGo changed that | 09:41 |
| alterego | There was no disclaimer for MeeGo merge requests | 09:41 |
| w00t | (it requires copyright *license*, but you maintain ownership of your work) | 09:42 |
| alterego | Not when I did it. | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | alterego, file a big and as copyright owner request corrective action | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | that's simple and easy | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | attach git commit shas | 09:43 |
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| alterego | They have 2 revisions in the tizen git for that project. | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | but in original dialer | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | proving your ownership | 09:46 |
| alterego | Yeah | 09:47 |
| alterego | I'll do it at some point. | 09:47 |
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| mikhas | alterego, sucks, kind-of | 09:56 |
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| Stskeeps | hey CissWit | 09:57 |
| CissWit | Hi | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | CissWit: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 10:00 |
| CissWit | was looking at jolla announcements, and wondering what was going on there too :) | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | CissWit: sure :) Jolla discussions are mostly in #jollamobile, but if you'd like to ask anything about Mer Core, or learn how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :) | 10:04 |
| timoph | wild and geeky things happen here | 10:05 |
| timoph | :) | 10:05 |
| CissWit | Stskeeps: yes i know. I joined there too. | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | cool :) | 10:06 |
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| mikhas | alterego, regarding copyright: they can *add* theirs, but never remove yours, unless you agreed to it | 10:08 |
| alterego | mikhas: yeah, that's what I thought | 10:09 |
| mikhas | alterego, what's the orignal license? | 10:09 |
| mikhas | did you use AFL? | 10:09 |
| mikhas | alterego, the amount of rewrites to a certain file are irrelevant | 10:10 |
| mikhas | it would have to be a new file, in that case it would only carry their copyright | 10:10 |
| mikhas | moving files around does not count as creating new files | 10:10 |
| mikhas | alterego, just ask some of the friendlier guys at Intel to clear up that issue | 10:11 |
| mikhas | an angry tweet will probably not get you the result you want | 10:11 |
| alterego | Yeah | 10:11 |
| alterego | That's why I've not done the angry tweet :) | 10:12 |
| alterego | It was the Apache License, yes. | 10:12 |
| lbt | a bug creates a public record with a polite start which may be the best approach | 10:13 |
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| * alterego wonders why there isn't a QHash::values() -> QList | 10:29 | |
| lbt | yet | 10:29 |
| alterego | Apparently there is .. | 10:29 |
| alterego | I thought there was. | 10:30 |
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| anidel | wow, is this true? http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-gifts-meego-patents-to-jolla-startup-10237812/ | 10:41 |
| anidel | sorry, this is probably not the right place | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | anidel: bad translation of finnish article | 10:41 |
| lbt | anidel: #jollamobile | 10:41 |
| anidel | yep | 10:43 |
| lbt | didn't see you there so just checking | 10:43 |
| anidel | I am not, I'm only in here | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mer release management meeting in 15? | 10:45 |
| * alterego watches as new dialer code takes shape. | 10:45 | |
| phaeron | self replicating code ? :D | 10:45 |
| alterego | Yup, I'm growing it from a vat of bits and bytes. | 10:45 |
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| ukas | what are you making the dialer with? | 10:46 |
| alterego | Erm, qt creator? | 10:46 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: yes | 10:47 |
| ukas | alterego: pure qml? | 10:47 |
| alterego | ukas: no only the UI is QML | 10:47 |
| lbt | anidel: ping | 10:50 |
| anidel | lbt: ack | 10:50 |
| lbt | do you have a timescale for wanting to get going on N900? | 10:50 |
| lbt | I'm almost done on a getting started - needs a little TLC | 10:50 |
| lbt | but it'd help to prio things to understand | 10:51 |
| anidel | I was planning to play a few hours with it tomorrow | 10:51 |
| lbt | OK - you're my main customer for that | 10:51 |
| anidel | cool | 10:51 |
| anidel | pleased | 10:51 |
| anidel | :) | 10:51 |
| lbt | just seeing some issues in the QML shader which I want to solve to show that GLES is working | 10:52 |
| lbt | I have ExoPC almost done | 10:52 |
| lbt | and N950 should be easy too | 10:52 |
| lbt | main issue is getting an ssh session post boot - you need to find the IP address | 10:52 |
| lbt | it uses wifi automatically | 10:53 |
| anidel | once I get to know what to do , I will put Mer on a N900, N950, probably my ExoPC, and a old Dell laptop | 10:53 |
| anidel | no prob | 10:53 |
| lbt | yeah - then the next really useful one is virtualbox | 10:53 |
| lbt | this gives me a range of HAs for QA testing too | 10:54 |
| timoph | btw, does the vbox image behave any better nowadays with osx? | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | how did it misbehave before? | 11:03 |
| timoph | no terminal input + the fan went nuts | 11:03 |
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| timoph | well. actually might be the easiest for me just to try :) | 11:04 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I have ruby packages from opensuse with copypac (minor changes to build requirements bu nothing major). And now when building a gem it fails: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=rubygem-nokogiri&project=home%3Asage%3Amer%3Aruby&repository=Mer_Core_i486 | 11:06 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: it doesn't fail on opensuse with same packages | 11:06 |
| Sage_ | also got impression from #obs channel that this patch is responsible of that https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=rubygems-1.5.0_buildroot.patch&package=ruby19&project=home%3Asage%3Amer%3Aruby&rev=a19e1348706de702c88ce8b06ceb14b3 | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: hmm | 11:09 |
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| phaeron | Sage_: did you apply that patch to mer rubygems package ? | 11:13 |
| timoph | yep. the terminal doesn't work. gives a black screen | 11:13 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: that's compositor issue | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | happens on pc to | 11:14 |
| timoph | ack | 11:15 |
| alterego | Now for the hard bits :/ | 11:15 |
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| Stskeeps | hello affa :) | 11:16 |
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| timoph | damn. pan to task switcher is hard to do with a mouse pointer | 11:20 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: everything else than the terminal seems to work though | 11:21 |
| timoph | and the system-ui top menu | 11:23 |
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| Sage_ | phaeron: yes the ruby I have in home:sage:mer:ruby is copypac from opensuse and has the patch | 11:33 |
| phaeron | Sage_: + add_option(:"Install/Update", '--build-root DIR' | 11:38 |
| phaeron | Sage_: maybe you need to add --build-root option | 11:38 |
| phaeron | checking the build log to see | 11:38 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: well, the thing is that I did copypac for all of the packages so if that is needed it should be already in there or opensuse builds shoudl fail as well, right? | 11:39 |
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| alterego | Whoops, I seem to inadvertantly added support for multi-sim and multi-modems. Have that Tizen :P | 11:47 |
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| Stskeeps | hello Arro :) | 11:57 |
| Arro | Yep! | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | Arro: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 11:59 |
| Arro | Just read a newsflash on the revival of Meego, based on Mer. Just interested to find more information | 12:00 |
| lbt | seen www.merproject.org ? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | Arro: sure :) for Jolla specific discussion, #jollamobile exists, else if you'd like to know more about Mer, or how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :) else feel free to hang out and learn/watch/etc | 12:00 |
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| Arro | Yes, I meant the Jolla discussion. Think this might be a good initiative | 12:01 |
| Arro | Will check #jollamobile as well, thanks! | 12:01 |
| phaeron | Sage_: it's weird that only one file has that issue | 12:05 |
| phaeron | the rest are installed correctly | 12:05 |
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| Stskeeps | morn pirut :) | 12:20 |
| iekku | devils :) | 12:21 |
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| pirut | Hey ! | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | hello ovasyura :) | 12:23 |
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| ovasyura | Hey! | 12:24 |
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| Stskeeps | ovasyura: welcome :) so what brings you here to Mer? :) | 12:24 |
| ovasyura | Thank you. I want to jpoin to Jolla and next generation of MeeGo | 12:26 |
| ovasyura | But don't know how it is better to do. | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | ovasyura: sure :) Jolla discussion goes on in #jollamobile, but we develop the Core they use, here. If you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time, or would like to know how to contribute to Mer -- else just feel free to hang out and get to learn more :) | 12:26 |
| ovasyura | What way? | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | hello thierry_troll :) | 12:27 |
| thierry_troll | hi | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | ovasyura: it really depends on where you'd like to contribute :) | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | thierry_troll: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 12:28 |
| thierry_troll | I just saw a post on osnews | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | ooh. i haven't read that one | 12:28 |
| thierry_troll | As I used to work for Trolltech/Nokia in Oslo, I'm still interested by everything around it | 12:28 |
| thierry_troll | well it is not directly a post about mer but about Jolla using mer | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | thierry_troll: sure :) #jollamobile exists for specific Jolla discussion, we develop the core here specifically, so if you have any questions about it, or would like to know how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :) - else feel free to hang out and watch, learn, etc | 12:29 |
| thierry_troll | do you guys have contributions from Qt directly or are you building on top of it? | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | thierry_troll: we're using the output of qt project, qt project has a decent community and there's no need for us to do independent qt patches | 12:30 |
| thierry_troll | ok | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | thierry_troll: in that sense we're more integrators, but when we find issues, we report upstream and submit patches | 12:31 |
| thierry_troll | makes sense | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | as we're pretty much typical mobile linux, x11, wayland, etc | 12:31 |
| thierry_troll | I do that too now that I'm not there any more | 12:31 |
| timoph | yep. every linux distribution is basically a integration project | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | i've personally been happy to see the qt project grow into a proper open project recently | 12:31 |
| timoph | development gets contributed upstream | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | considering many other companies' attempts at open source projects, it went pretty well | 12:32 |
| thierry_troll | true | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | thierry_troll: so what area did you work with, if you can say? | 12:33 |
| thierry_troll | I can say | 12:33 |
| thierry_troll | I worked with the "old style" widgets, item views, toolbars, mainwindows | 12:34 |
| thierry_troll | I was also in charge of the animation framework | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | cool - i saw amazing things done with animation framework in the past | 12:34 |
| thierry_troll | and later was in charge of the team developing the QtQuick components | 12:34 |
| timoph | heh. I packaged the initial version of the animation framework for fremantle :) | 12:34 |
| thierry_troll | nice | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | thierry_troll: many of us here are previously from meego.com and harmattan, so we're not total amateurs doing this stuff :) | 12:35 |
| thierry_troll | I never said anything like that ;) | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, just stating :) | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes it's dangerous to give professionals too much free time by laying them off ;) | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | qtquick components - as in qt-components, or qtquick itself? | 12:36 |
| ovasyura | Stskeeps: I don't know exactly about contribution. I worked on different Qt issues for Harmattan and MeeGo including speech recognition using Sphinx engine. | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | ovasyura: speech recognition sounds quite interesting - I know that at least in the past, many IVI solutions used that | 12:37 |
| ovasyura | And no w searching new possibility to continue in MeeGo based development. | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | on core level, we have https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&order=Importance&bug_severity=task&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=TRIAGEDUPSTREAM&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=not-taken&emailtype1=substring listing available tasks for taking | 12:37 |
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| Stskeeps | some good in order to learn how to contribute in a good way | 12:38 |
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| ovasyura | Yes. IVI solutions in MeeGo used Sphinx. I created first draft Qt library and QML plugins to use this feature in any Qt or QML applications. But unfortunately it was not interested after dropping MeeGo by Nokia. | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | sounds quite interesting :) | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | one thing i hope people will do with Mer, is not just look at handset, tablet, etc, but also try UIs out of the ordinary | 12:42 |
| thierry_troll | Stskeeps: qt-components | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | thierry_troll: cool - i'm a fan :) | 12:43 |
| leinir | you and many others, good stuff going on there :) | 12:44 |
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| phaeron | Sage_: looking at the ruby gem | 12:49 |
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| alterego | bbl | 12:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps, what is the minimum install of mer? | 13:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean the size | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: hmm, moment | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: 98mb, 33mb compressed | 13:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | nice | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | that's bootable, FWIW | 13:04 |
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| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: 131 mb with mesa llvmpipe, 160 with connman, ofono, wpa_supplicant, bluez on top, compressed 54mb | 13:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps, wait, i'm searching for some device, wondered if it's possible to have sort of mer there. | 13:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps, btw on site i search i see that Nokia gave some patents of Meego to Jolla, is it true? and do they talk about harmattan or meego itself as meego afaik opensource | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: no, mistranslation | 13:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | thought so =) | 13:11 |
| smoku | ZogG_laptop: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations | 13:11 |
| smoku | ZogG_laptop: also https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace#Device_Adaptations | 13:12 |
| lbt | and http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started is getting there | 13:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | smoku, Stskeeps i think the problem here is size - http://www.picotux.com/ | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: we don't support ARM7 sory | 13:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | lbt, smoku i read it yeasterday actually partly, but my knowledge is limited =( | 13:14 |
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| * smoku is running Mer on standard-issue Intel i5 laptop as primary OS with no problems lately ;-) | 13:16 | |
| Stskeeps | smoku: with what UI on top | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 13:16 |
| smoku | so finding a hardware to run Mer on is not that difficult ;-) | 13:16 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: Mutter | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: alright | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: btw, should we find a new time for homebrew? | 13:17 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: definitely | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | i have my birthday this weekend, but after that.. | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | (keeping a quiet one) | 13:18 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: nevertheless, I will bring a crate to SmartDevCon ;-) | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe :) | 13:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps, i'll quote you on comments of the news that it's mistranslation, is it ok with you? | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: there's a comment by a nokia's communications guy saying same thing | 13:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok, but it would be ok to quote you too? | 13:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | or you prefer not to? | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | no quote from me, just refer to https://twitter.com/markdurrant | 13:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | as well i want to tell people if they interested they can read (mer wiki) and i want to mention #jollamobile and #mer channels on freenode. | 13:20 |
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| Stskeeps | hey vgrade | 13:25 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps, i metioned twitter link to tweet that says it's misstranslation and said if anyone want to help, may join #mer (i posted getting started link), and i said as well people are welcome on #mer #jolla and #jollamobile. It's one of the IT sites (though lately it's more yellow press, but there are a lot of guru there and linux guru as well). So i hope it would recruite some new people. I may also make post there about getting invol | 13:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | ved in mer/jolla if you think it can help =P | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | hello francois__ :) | 13:29 |
| francois__ | hello! | 13:30 |
| francois__ | I'm new to Mer and currently browsing the wiki :-) Especially the page on SB2... | 13:30 |
| francois__ | it seems the obs is currently down? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | francois__: yess, that's something we're investigating | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | it's not down in backend | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | frontend just stalls :) | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | let me just kick it | 13:31 |
| francois__ | ok :) | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | it's not normally this unreliable, but you know with murphy's law | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | francois__: so what are you interested in about the SB2 stuff/ | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 13:32 |
| francois__ | I think I've heard about it already, yes ;) | 13:32 |
| francois__ | well actually I've been working with MeeGo for a year now | 13:33 |
| francois__ | as part of my job | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | cool :) | 13:33 |
| francois__ | and I would like to standardize somehow our ways of working | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | i worked on the stuff to integrate SB2 into OBS, it made for a much cleaner solution | 13:34 |
| francois__ | yes I've read several threads about it | 13:34 |
| francois__ | it looks really promising | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | well, meego as a project is dead, but i think we're a worthy successor here :) | 13:34 |
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| phaeron | Sage_: so I found a workaround but I am still trying to understand why it breaks | 13:35 |
| phaeron | it really looks like something weird with mer's bash or grep or something | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: perhaps gplv3 issue? | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | francois__: if you don't mind me asking, what category of device types are you using meego within? | 13:35 |
| francois__ | set top boxes :) | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: we also have other people working with mer and STBs here, though in china | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | part of the problem on for example intel, is that their HW adaptation for CE4100 or something, isn't exactly public | 13:36 |
| francois__ | I know... | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | francois__: we also have a development project with minimal footprint mer, useful for STBs | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | with systemd, busybox, etc | 13:38 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: hmm ? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: we aren't exactly on a modern coreutils/grep/etc | 13:38 |
| phaeron | running the commands in the script doesn't produce output --> correct. during the build it behaves differently | 13:39 |
| phaeron | digging more deeply | 13:39 |
| francois__ | Stskeeps: thanks for kicking the server :) | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | francois__: no problem, it's a bit hard to see it in practice, but look at Core:armv7l | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | it is very transparent build | 13:39 |
| francois__ | ok | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | no modifications to packages, it's like a very fast arm builder machine | 13:40 |
| francois__ | My goal is to build all our packages for our various platforms using the same core sources | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 13:40 |
| francois__ | so I'll probably be testing sb2 for x86/arm/sh4 and mips :) | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | could you believe we do mer on a 300eur/month infra budget, for ARMv6, ARMv7 softfp/hardfp, Atom, generic X86, MIPS32? | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | with QA build checks and such | 13:41 |
| francois__ | whow | 13:41 |
| francois__ | ok | 13:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | it is cheap isn't it? but do people using it donate or support you? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | we have 6-7 of approximately these: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex5 | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: i pitch in like half myself, it's not a very heavy cost | 13:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps, it just seems unfair, while some people contribute power and moneu in OSS just to make it better, and there are people who use it for free just for profit =) | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: such is open source - in Mer, we're a co-operative, if you're using us, we expect you to pitch back in, but we can't force you | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | it just means we're happier sharing a common resource when you do :) | 13:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps, is there way to make free user/paid corporate thing? =) than you can use those money maybe to upgrade or something | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: the sometimes awful truth is that it's actually the users who are the heavy loaders on infra ;) | 13:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps, i do donations as much as i can, but mostly for things i do use, involved in. For now i'm lurking around and learning, so i hope be more involved in Mer and than could donate, but the goal is to donate with improving it and not only money =P | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: :nod: | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | and that's a contribution in itself too | 13:47 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: what is the workaround if I may ask? | 13:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | yes, i believe that if i use something and i want it to be better i need to give something back. 1) it would show that work is appriciated and give motivations to devs 2) it just literally helps to make product better and make it faster as HR do cost money, servers do cost money and so on. And if people would never contribute (if it is server/hosting/code/money/testing/bug reports/patches) there would be no Linux today =) | 13:50 |
| phaeron | Sage_: export QA_SKIP_BUILD_ROOT="yes" in the %install section | 13:51 |
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| Sage_ | phaeron: ah, so it skips the test that fails? | 13:54 |
| lbt | phaeron: Stskeeps have you done about 17 obs projcopy tests today | 13:56 |
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| lbt | and possibly used delayedapi ? | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: not used delayedapi | 13:56 |
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| lbt | fe has a load of orphaned : Rails: /srv/www/obs/api | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | maybe that's why | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | it times out for me on client side | 13:57 |
| lbt | yeah - so delayedapi avoids the timeout but is poor for CI due to async | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i just restarted stuff ~30 mins ago | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | and no copyprj after that | 13:57 |
| phaeron | lbt: didn't touch ci | 13:58 |
| lbt | restart apache | 13:58 |
| phaeron | Sage_: yes | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:58 |
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| lbt | Ok - these processes are 2:15hrs hold | 13:58 |
| lbt | old | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | that's not good is it | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | can you look at passenger config? | 13:59 |
| lbt | so that looks like the resource leak | 13:59 |
| lbt | yeah, was actually doing that - it's sane | 13:59 |
| lbt | mem use is v.v.high | 13:59 |
| phaeron | Sage_: and the results do not contain rpm_build_root which confirms that the script is misbehaving | 13:59 |
| phaeron | lbt: when were the jobs created in the db ? | 13:59 |
| phaeron | they could be old tests | 13:59 |
| phaeron | from Stskeeps | 13:59 |
| lbt | ah, nice .. pid is in logs | 14:00 |
| lbt | [INFO |#32758] Completed in 16ms (View: 0, DB: 2) | 200 [http://api-ci/source/home:Admin:eval-sb2/sb2-tools-armv7l/sb2-tools-armv7l.spec?rev=178533bc9dbe62ab68ab4d44059106ac] | 14:00 |
| lbt | is the last msg of a hung api | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds recent | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | as francois__ was looking at it | 14:01 |
| francois__ | :) | 14:01 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: I did grep in the buildroot while building and I found the dir there | 14:02 |
| lbt | can I stop fe for a moment ? | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:03 |
| francois__ | Stskeeps: Oh and btw I can't access the Core:armv7l rpm repository: looks like the server name is wrong: http://obs:82/Core:/armv7l/Core_armv7l | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | francois__: yeah, they're on http://repo.ci.merproject.org/repos/ | 14:04 |
| lbt | yes, the Passenger stuff is not cleaning up at all well | 14:04 |
| Sage_ | btw, what is fe? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | or repositories, i forget | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: mer CI | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | francois__: webui-ci is our 'not so much for humans' OBS :) | 14:04 |
| Sage_ | why not call it mer CI ? :D | 14:04 |
| lbt | Sage_: frontend ... apache/webui/api | 14:04 |
| Sage_ | ah... frontend = fe | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | francois__: so not everything is configured to be human friendly | 14:05 |
| francois__ | Stskeeps: no probelm! | 14:05 |
| phaeron | Sage_: what do you mean you did grep | 14:06 |
| phaeron | Sage_: all the files in the buildroot do not contain the buildroot repeated in their path | 14:06 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: build the package locally when it failed went to the buildroot and checked if I can find it | 14:06 |
| phaeron | Sage_: yes it is there, but the files installed there do not have the buildroot repeated in their path | 14:07 |
| Sage_ | oh... | 14:08 |
| lbt | hmm - OK the Rails: apps are reparented to 1 in normal operation | 14:08 |
| lbt | but there should only be 2 each webui/api | 14:08 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: so where does that disappear in the middle? | 14:08 |
| phaeron | Sage_: the check wants to make sure the rpm does not contain files that will be installed to <build_root>/usr/bin/bla | 14:09 |
| phaeron | etc .. | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: or refers to it | 14:09 |
| phaeron | hmm I didn't see the check for refers | 14:09 |
| phaeron | let me check | 14:09 |
| lbt | http://www.rubyenterpriseedition.com/ mmm ? | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i don't want anything i can't read the source of | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | that does include perl | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 14:10 |
| alterego | Now to do some testing of my new dialer management code. | 14:10 |
| lbt | it's OSS | 14:10 |
| lbt | but aimed at servers... | 14:11 |
| lbt | http://www.rubyenterpriseedition.com/faq.html#fork | 14:11 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: even with your export I get rubygem-nokogiri.i586: E: file-contains-buildroot (Badness: 10000) /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/gems/nokogiri-1.5.5/lib/nokogiri/nokogiri.so | 14:12 |
| Sage_ | from rpmlint | 14:12 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: we building the same stuff? :) | 14:12 |
| Sage_ | home:sage:mer:ruby/rubygem-nokogiri | 14:13 |
| phaeron | yes but it skips that test. just now I saw the check you mentioned | 14:13 |
| phaeron | however strings on the so file doesn't show that string ! | 14:13 |
| Sage_ | well, maybe it is obfuscated somehow ;) | 14:14 |
| phaeron | and grep obfuscates it how ? | 14:14 |
| phaeron | *deobfuscated | 14:15 |
| Sage_ | %{S:0} <- what that extends to? | 14:18 |
| Sage_ | %gem_install %{S:0} | 14:19 |
| Sage_ | if it is only one value the --build-root isn't actually called ever: http://pastie.org/4231890 | 14:19 |
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| Sage_ | err... nm. | 14:20 |
| Sage_ | ge no gt | 14:20 |
| Sage_ | but still what that extends to ? | 14:20 |
| Sage_ | source0 ? | 14:21 |
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| phaeron | yeah I think so | 14:28 |
| phaeron | Sage_: the --build-root is called in the make step | 14:28 |
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| Sage_ | vgrade: please don't reply to old messages in ML about new meetings. :D | 14:31 |
| Sage_ | vgrade: the latest community OBS replacement meeting can't be found here: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/ but is linked to very old thread :D | 14:32 |
| Sage_ | second page and there | 14:32 |
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| vgrade_ | OBS Meeting in #mer-meeting in 45 mins. http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00596.html | 15:12 |
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| francois__ | Stskeeps: looks the server is down again :( | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | francois__: yeah we're debugging the server stalls | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | hello dudedude and zanoni | 15:53 |
| francois__ | Ok... Guess I'll try again tomorrow then :-) | 15:54 |
| lbt | should be OK now | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | francois__: yep, any questions on sb2 obs solution i'll gladly answer | 15:54 |
| francois__ | thanks a lot | 15:55 |
| zanoni | hi | 15:55 |
| francois__ | I just compiled acl from Core:armv7l and looking around the chroot abnd /target to get a grasp at how things are working together! Really cool! | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | zanoni: welcome :) so what brings you to #mer? | 15:56 |
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| zanoni | Stskeeps, the news about jolla :P I'm googling about the project and found that i's based on mer, is that correct? | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | zanoni: yup | 16:03 |
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| lbt | zanoni: have you seen www.merproject.org page .. some backhistory on there | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | zanoni: #jollamobile is good for specific jolla discussion, but for anything Mer related, feel free to ask in here at any time, or on how to contribute, etc :) else feel free to hang out and watch/learn | 16:05 |
| zanoni | lbt, yup, reading it right now | 16:05 |
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| zanoni | Stskeeps, tks, I'm interested in the mer project. Are you guys looking for developers? | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | zanoni: of course :) we're a open source, openly governed project | 16:08 |
| zanoni | Stskeeps, :) So I'll read the contribution guidelines | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | zanoni: get http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK first, and then https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail and then see what tasks are available or bugs to be fixed in bugzilla :) | 16:10 |
| zanoni | Stskeeps, ok tks :) | 16:10 |
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| lbt | zanoni: what's your area | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | zanoni: always happy to see indt people around, you people have done some serious cool stuff in mobile linux through the times | 16:14 |
| zanoni | :D | 16:14 |
| zanoni | lbt, Qt mobile application | 16:14 |
| zanoni | *applications | 16:15 |
| zanoni | lbt, currently workink on a qtquick game engine (well, "framework") | 16:15 |
| lbt | OK, good | 16:16 |
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| lbt | you may be interested in getting a minimal Mer running on various devices to act as a test bed then | 16:17 |
| zanoni | lbt, yup | 16:18 |
| zanoni | lbt, going to lunch now, we talk more later :) | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | enjoy :) | 16:19 |
| lbt | we'll be here | 16:20 |
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| shrikrishna | apple's crown jewel is not really iPhone or iPad, it's this - http://rww.to/Ne3ERi | 16:26 |
| shrikrishna | it's a tragedy they are using it even now :-/ | 16:27 |
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| anidel_home | lbt: ping | 17:06 |
| vgrade_ | OBS Meeting http://mer.bfst.de/meetings/mer-meeting/2012/mer-meeting.2012-07-10-16.00.html | 17:06 |
| lbt | anidel_home: pong | 17:06 |
| anidel_home | :) got something for me? | 17:06 |
| lbt | nearly - had in my head tomorrow :) | 17:07 |
| lbt | just running some tests - can share them though | 17:07 |
| anidel_home | you *had* it your head *tomorrow* ??? and then? came back in time? :p | 17:07 |
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| lbt | I have so many times in my head ... it's very confusing, especially yesterday | 17:08 |
| anidel_home | :) | 17:09 |
| lbt | having a monday in your head on a friday is the worst | 17:09 |
| anidel_home | it is indeed... | 17:09 |
| lbt | let me syntax check this ks | 17:09 |
| lbt | N900+wifi | 17:10 |
| anidel_home | ok | 17:10 |
| lbt | https://gist.github.com/3084807 | 17:13 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Getting_Started | 17:14 |
| lbt | I've not tested it yet :) | 17:14 |
| lbt | suggee=bz2 mmm | 17:15 |
| anidel_home | :) no prob. Will play with it asap | 17:15 |
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| anidel_home | so you need u-boot installed on the device, right? | 17:19 |
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| anidel_home | 'cause we're going to boot from the microsd | 17:19 |
| anidel_home | yes | 17:20 |
| anidel_home | ok | 17:20 |
| lbt | yes, that's right | 17:20 |
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| anidel_home | grabbing a microsd | 17:22 |
| lbt | you need to monitor your dhcp/wifi to see the IP unless you have dyndns | 17:23 |
| anidel_home | I will check my router's clients and figure out the IP it assigned to the device | 17:26 |
| lbt | yeah - we could do something in QML | 17:26 |
| lbt | burning now ... | 17:27 |
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| anidel_home | I remember I had a 2Gb lying around... | 17:29 |
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| anidel_home | oh well will use camera's 8Gb one | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | just remember it razes the entire sd usually | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | so don't remove your firstborn's pictueres ;) | 17:30 |
| anidel_home | eheh I know what it does :) copying pictures as we chat | 17:30 |
| lbt | I have a firstborn - eek!!! | 17:30 |
| anidel_home | moreover there's no risk for that. Don't have any firstborn :p just mistborn!! | 17:30 |
| Kypeli | This sure is a noob question, so please bear with me; I am trying to find some overview docs of Mer to understand what it is now and what the roadmap might be. | 17:31 |
| Kypeli | And what would be the best place to see the current packages in Mer core? | 17:31 |
| lbt | Kypeli: sure | 17:31 |
| lbt | have you seen the www.merproject.org page? | 17:31 |
| anidel_home | oh right, home laptop, need to follow Platform SDK first again. | 17:31 |
| Kypeli | Yeah. And I've tried to browse the wiki as well to find info. | 17:31 |
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| Stskeeps | Kypeli: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Architecture is work in progress, and roadmap.. some of it is really in the tasks we do | 17:31 |
| Kypeli | There's a lot of it - that's the problem :) | 17:31 |
| lbt | OK ... and http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/ | 17:32 |
| lbt | Kypeli: yes, there is | 17:32 |
| Kypeli | Stskeeps: Thanks! But that's up to date right now? | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | Kypeli: that's quite up to date, no big changes - the overall picture, of mer, is simply a core that serves to run qt well | 17:32 |
| Kypeli | Ok, thanks. I'll start from here. | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, qt/qml and html5, that is | 17:33 |
| lbt | Kypeli: the most accurate data comes from looking at our day-to-day systems | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | it's sometimes hard to make a concrete roadmap when you don't have a corporate overreaching goal :P | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | and teams and budgets | 17:33 |
| Kypeli | lbt: Ok :) Takes some time to form a coherent picture. | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | but we'd like to move towards lower footprint, improve systems around mer, improve QA | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | ease of use for productization | 17:33 |
| Kypeli | Stskeeps: Good goals! | 17:33 |
| lbt | Kypeli: *nod* | 17:33 |
| lbt | Kypeli: don't forget, Mer is more than just code | 17:34 |
| lbt | we offer a lot of supporting systems and processes | 17:34 |
| Kypeli | Stskeeps: So who's making the "decisions" on if some new package is needed / which packages to update? Anyone can do it via bug reports and then decided in weekly meetings? | 17:34 |
| lbt | essentially | 17:34 |
| Kypeli | lbt: Sure. | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | Kypeli: basically - governance wise we have architect (me), technical leads and maintainers | 17:34 |
| Kypeli | lbt: So basically, the best way to get involved and understand Mer is to just jump in? :) | 17:34 |
| lbt | indeed | 17:35 |
| Kypeli | :) | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | we don't really have a per-package maintainer as everybody can pitch in everywhere | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | and we're big on review | 17:35 |
| lbt | I was just helping anidel_home setup a minimal mer on an n900 | 17:35 |
| lbt | so having a device to play on is a good start | 17:35 |
| lbt | that introduces you to SDK, image building | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | Kypeli: the central places is release meeting, bug triage and advisory board meeting | 17:35 |
| lbt | then the OBS and submitting fixed | 17:35 |
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| Kypeli | I have an N900... somewhere :) But would VMWare Player be ok too for the sake of speed? | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | Kypeli: some people get 60fps in virtual | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | box | 17:36 |
| lbt | it will be soon ... but I've not written those docs yet | 17:36 |
| Kypeli | Ah ok, Virtual Box. That's ok too :) | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | as that's where vendors and contributors work together on what's needed.. and the goal with Mer is each time we release, we release stable | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | ie, continous integration, etc | 17:36 |
| Kypeli | The only way to do it, IMHO | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | and because we're only ~340 packages, we can actually have hope of ever QA'ing it | 17:37 |
| Kypeli | All meetings are on #mer-meeting? Not specific channels for per discussion? | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | #mer-meeting | 17:37 |
| Kypeli | Ok | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Process is the process we're working to set up | 17:37 |
| Kypeli | 340 is quite managable. | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | part of the goal is also to distribute out QA effort to vendors, so they report back on every single change proposed | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | usually automated | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | so an approver can assess if this will cause red lights in some vendor | 17:38 |
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| Kypeli | How automated is the QA already? For all packages already or we're getting there? This info is also on Gerrit or..? | 17:39 |
| Kypeli | ...err, I should just read the Process wiki first | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | not good enough. we currently build test and to some degree smoke test images, with UIs and HW on top | 17:39 |
| lbt | well, there's design and there's reality | 17:39 |
| Kypeli | Yep :) | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | but we're actively working to make it better | 17:39 |
| lbt | we use a very flexible automation system | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | just some parts tend to take time :) | 17:40 |
| lbt | and some roadblocks are bigger than they seem | 17:40 |
| lbt | so Kypeli what's your background/interest ? | 17:40 |
| Kypeli | Well - I built on the N9 for 2.5 years. | 17:40 |
| Kypeli | Before that was briefly involved in Maemo in other parts as well. | 17:41 |
| Kypeli | I should basically know everything about the Contacts app on the N9 ;) | 17:41 |
| Kypeli | But I have a strong Linux background in general, but never found the right open source project to work with. Mer seems to fit that pretty well | 17:42 |
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| iekku | welcome :) | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | one other feature of mer.. we're difficult to kill | 17:42 |
| lbt | sounds familiar actually | 17:42 |
| Kypeli | Thanks :) | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | the core is reproducable on own OBS'es with ease | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | a local copy of the git trees will make sure you can continue it | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | it seems like a useful feature after feb11 | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:43 |
| Kypeli | :) | 17:43 |
| Kypeli | I'll give myself time to let all this sink. Mer, as any big SW effort, has many moving parts. | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:43 |
| Kypeli | But I alrady installed the SDK and I'll take it from there. | 17:43 |
| Kypeli | Expect many more silly questions ;) | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | start out small and work your way up - and don't be scared when Sage -1 | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | 's your contributiosn | 17:44 |
| lbt | anidel_home: so that image demos a reboot loop quite nicely :/ | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | he means well :) | 17:44 |
| Kypeli | Haha | 17:44 |
| Kypeli | Well, I know Sage from my work before he joined Jolla - he's nice :) | 17:44 |
| lbt | same Sage? | 17:44 |
| lbt | *g* | 17:45 |
| Kypeli | Marko | 17:45 |
| lbt | kidding | 17:45 |
| Kypeli | :D | 17:45 |
| anidel_home | lbt : ah! :) | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: just to let you know, i'm doing a 'grabtag' to avoid us moving to MDS2 yet on be | 17:47 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: OK | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: what it does is simple, it updates packages-git/, re-runs the mappings cache, and checks out the parameter (tag) in obs-projects/Core:tag, from packages-git/mer/project-core | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: and adds Core:tag:<all the archs> to the mappings.xml | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | hello neplul :) | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | and welcome back shanxS | 17:48 |
| lbt | OK, makes sense | 17:48 |
| shanxS | hey Stskeeps | 17:48 |
| shanxS | how is it going ? | 17:48 |
| anidel_home | if the N900 fails to boot on its own the Maemo PR1.3, is there any log I can check ? | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | shanxS: quite good, thanks | 17:49 |
| anidel_home | I usually have to boot mine 2-3 times before actually having Maemo starting up | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | anidel_home: sounds like low battery | 17:49 |
| lbt | OK ... putting food on to cook before hitting this image again | 17:50 |
| anidel_home | stskeeps: nope, it's fully charged. | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | anidel_home: hmm | 17:50 |
| anidel_home | and it seems it wants the keyboard open. I'm in RD mode and no kenerl-power. Wanted to check if there's some long somewhere | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | anidel_home: hmm, rd mode is usually good to disable | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | it has not that many practical implications on n900 | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | and it changes bootup procedure a bit | 17:52 |
| anidel_home | it's been in R&D mode since I got it :D | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: the idea is that to iterate, i tag in project core (or for a given change), push tags, grabtag, then ask a copyproject to happen from older tag project, change <link> in target project to point to new fakeobs Core:tag. i do this first for i486, then i link up rest of architectures against this i486 copy | 17:52 |
| anidel_home | may be I can try removing it...bear in mind this is a proto, so it can be something else, but it never showed this behavior until recently | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah, no ideas on protos | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | they have really bizarre behaviour at times :) | 17:53 |
| anidel_home | it never showed for years...so I guess is not it. This particular one has always behaved consistently. Anyway...fine :) | 17:54 |
| shanxS | now that Platform SDK download is complete.. it looks like next thing I need is a Linux box to start my adventure... | 17:54 |
| shanxS | mmm.. whare can I find Linux machine at 12 in night ..? | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | shanxS: virtual machine | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:55 |
| shanxS | ahh.. dumb me... :P | 17:55 |
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| jmk_ | so many new names, so few old ones :P | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | welcome jmk :) | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | good to see you here too | 18:03 |
| jmk_ | thnx :). nice to be back actually | 18:03 |
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| jmk_ | kinda seriously appreciate what you guys are up to, my hats off to you :-) | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | thanks - it's a bit insane to some degree, but i think we're doing good stuff here :) | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | and not just for jolla, but also for other companies wanting to do devices | 18:05 |
| jmk_ | have to admit did not follow you guys properly before, you forked off from meego.com ? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, meego 1.3 | 18:05 |
| jmk_ | oh noes ;) | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | i spent a couple of weeks sizing it down, making it easy to rebuild on a low budget (300eur/month) -- low QA footprint, etc | 18:05 |
| jmk_ | just kidding. you did strip platform security, did you ;) ? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | MSSF never really made it into meego.com | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | kind of interested in what the tizen people are doing though, in this area | 18:06 |
| jmk_ | yeah aegis no, but the new stuff yes | 18:06 |
| jmk_ | I know actually since I'm following that 'really close' | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | mer's open for security experimentation as well | 18:07 |
| jmk_ | and struggle is not that small but if you are without all that then you should be fine I guess.. | 18:07 |
| jmk_ | I think we did quite decently in M project since I think we managed to bother people least with it | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. my own personal belief is that we're going towards a future where devices are very promiscious, taking apps from here and there and where user privacy is key as well | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | so in that case, yes, damnit, i want something to really product my data | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | er, protect | 18:08 |
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| jmk_ | meego.com/tizen stuff is ultra heavy for this purpose, stay away from it ;) | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:09 |
| jmk_ | they have 30 people doing that | 18:09 |
| jmk_ | seriously | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i think some of them might be in here too :) | 18:09 |
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| jmk_ | who? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | i think pirut's doing some stuff | 18:10 |
| jmk_ | brian :-) | 18:10 |
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| jmk_ | ok, granted he is | 18:11 |
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| jmk_ | so he should for sure know | 18:11 |
| anidel_home | lbt: getting started has a slight error: --compress-disk-imag should be --compress-disk-image I guess | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | at the same time, we do also have challenges in distribution security to consider | 18:11 |
| jmk_ | did you see what we did in M project? | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | i was amazed to find a bunch of CVE's in meego as well | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | no, i didn't get into that, or can talk about in public if i did :) | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | probably better i don't know much :) | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | but we've started work on automating CVE checking in the distro as well | 18:13 |
| jmk_ | actually we had grants for open sourcing all that | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | really cleaning up the metadata, etc | 18:13 |
| jmk_ | and were DOING that, just TWO DAYS late :-) | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah :) | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | well, then i'm all ears :) | 18:13 |
| jmk_ | seriously, whole thing would have gone OSS had the announcement been 2 days later :-) | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | personally i think the whole qml thing, or for that matter html5, puts another light on security as well | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm not really a security export, even though i did pass cryptography quite well ;) | 18:14 |
| jmk_ | anyway, we had the permissions.* stuff from suse for all filesystem permissions; filesystem capabilities in use (via similar config file than those permissions) and then just run things with proper users | 18:14 |
| jmk_ | does not get any easier than that | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | sounds quite nice indeed | 18:15 |
| jmk_ | yeah I think it cannot be done much easier than that.... | 18:15 |
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| jmk_ | just requires filesystem that supports xattrs and the security namespace in it | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, not difficult if using ext4 | 18:16 |
| jmk_ | yep. | 18:16 |
| iekku | uh, i must be tired i read all the time jmk_'s nick as a jmke (band) | 18:17 |
| jmk_ | kinda android, but just bit better in the sense that we had fs caps as well | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | either way, mer's open for experimentation, contributions, whatever people want to do with it | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | we run a bit with the principle that we expect people to sometimes semi-fork it and do what's needed with it, as well, running their own builds | 18:18 |
| jmk_ | you have instructions how to generate an image? | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | sure, grab Mer Platform SDK, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK , https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail , and file bugs at bugs.merproject.org when things don't work as they should | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | we're very into getting told our stuff doesn't work and admit our faults - so we can get them fixed :) | 18:19 |
| jmk_ | I could give that a spin how that works out. only annoyance is that meego.com stuff may not reside all where suse has it, but it would not have to be perfect on first run :P | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:19 |
| jmk_ | that's one of the reason we were pushing for suse since we were lazy re-writing full policy... | 18:20 |
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| jmk_ | copy-paste is much more fun in this sense :P | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | yup, takes less time | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | Mer platform SDK is basically a 'useful chroot', but makes sure you have access to /home ec | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | we avoid the differences between distros that way | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | if you get error in image creation, just ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab - there's something odd about the current SDK release, there's a 0 byte mtab :) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | AstroAK: welcome back :) | 18:22 |
| jmk_ | which OBS server are you using? | 18:22 |
| jmk_ | suses? | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | we have our own OBS, but modified with the SB2-OBS functionality and a few useful patches | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | we're actively trying to upstream those though | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | SB2 one took a detour, as you might know, to be rebased on b1-systems's solution | 18:23 |
| jmk_ | yeah | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | hello biv :) | 18:23 |
| biv | hello | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | jmk_: we also provide scripts to easily deploy our OBS to a opensuse target | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | biv: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | jmk_: and right now we're doing some OBS patches to easily do full-copy projects, change underlying sources, etc, for easy continous integration | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | so we can truly do proper distribution releasing | 18:24 |
| jmk_ | full-copy projects? | 18:24 |
| jmk_ | obs wasn't really for that ever, we had huge issues with it | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | it has it's problems, and i personally only use OBS as a builder these days | 18:25 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: why you always scare people about my reviews? ;) | 18:25 |
| jmk_ | patch one line in libc and whole thing wobbles for days recovering ending up with random results :P | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, well, long story short: Mer is described in git, pointing to git sha's with packages in them. this project git has tags/release numbers. when we build Mer, we do it with basis in a certain project-core revision. project-core allows us to do stuff like "take version X.Y.Z, patch this and this, produce a new OBS project" | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | err, project-core=project-copy | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | so we can go in and see how new reality looks after a change was merged with ease | 18:27 |
| Kypeli | Sage_: You are the only honest one? ;) | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | in Mer, we spent a lot of time working to reduce rebuild loops as well, and some patches to OBS to avoid it rebuilding -everything- in situations it really didn't have to. | 18:27 |
| biv | I read about your project and it very interesting for me, but I'm very new to C++ and Qt, I used gtk+, whether your project is to support gtk+? | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | biv: there's a project that uses Mer, called Cordia, which has GNOME and GTK+ on top of Mer | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | biv: gtk+ may or may not exist on some Mer-based devices as it's not part of Mer | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: some people might have primary school complexes about getting red points | 18:28 |
| jmk_ | you have (gasp!) fastinit still? | 18:28 |
| Sage_ | Kypeli: hehe, well I think I'm the one with the mean eye of perfection ;) | 18:28 |
| biv | I see, thank you | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | jmk_: naah, systemd | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | jmk_: we have uxlaunch, which will be replaced with systemd user sessions | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | (by the good work done in tizen ivi for this) | 18:29 |
| jmk_ | ok, so you have Aukes stuff I believe | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:29 |
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| Stskeeps | jmk_: did you see our mer wayland demo? | 18:30 |
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| jmk_ | nope | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | jmk_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83mChc-hQE - ignore the lag, it's an interaction with fbcon and cursor blink, but that's mer, qt5 (some late snapshot), qml compositor, llvmpipe, and a busybox setup instead of coreutils etc | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | on virtualbox/x86 | 18:32 |
| jmk_ | I disagreed with Auke/Arjan back in the day about systemd as I did not think it was ready for it at the time. maybe it is these days. | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | what i like about systemd is that it genuinely seems to have a community | 18:33 |
| jmk_ | lets see | 18:33 |
| jmk_ | yes thats goos | 18:33 |
| jmk_ | good. and, it actually accepts contributions. | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:34 |
| jmk_ | only thing these days seems to be is that it is growing even too fast | 18:34 |
| jmk_ | would like my init Just Work (tm) | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | the udevd merge was a bit weird :) | 18:34 |
| jmk_ | it will become everything and the kitchen sink | 18:35 |
| jmk_ | but, all good, as long as quality can be kept up | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | my own personal experience, that so far, it has - it has even gotten much faster at booting | 18:36 |
| jmk_ | anyway, there are no real alternatives to it anymore, so I guess that settles it | 18:36 |
| chouchoune | "Contribution" page in the wiki is funny ... going directly from clone to push ;) | 18:36 |
| AstroAK | @ Stskeeps Thanks! hope all is well. | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: 1) clone 2) ??? 3) profit! | 18:37 |
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| chouchoune | Stskeeps: like no test inbetween | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: that actually deserves a bit of a bug :) | 18:37 |
| chouchoune | would be good to point at the testing guidelines | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: at the same time, it's unrealistic to expect a developer can run all system tests locally | 18:37 |
| chouchoune | yep, later, I'm focused on my first package right now | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | cool, let me knwo how it goes | 18:38 |
| mikhas | at one of our bbq's, lennart made fun of me when the topic of testing came up :-( | 18:38 |
| mikhas | I think he's a testing atheist | 18:38 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: building with COBS right now | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | jmk, i think i'll go offline for a bit - if you have any questions at any time about Mer or contribution or whatever, feel free to ask, else free to hang out :) | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | thanks for the talk | 18:39 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: l8r then | 18:40 |
| lbt | hey anidel_home ... back now | 18:40 |
| anidel_home | hey lbt | 18:40 |
| anidel_home | was playing with mic...it gives me an error stating it can't create an ext4 fs on /dev/loop101 | 18:41 |
| jmk_ | stskeeps, ack | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | anidel_home: ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | er, sudo that | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | in sdk | 18:41 |
| anidel_home | yeah of course...didn't know i had to do that, or I missed it from wiki? | 18:42 |
| lbt | it's a bug | 18:42 |
| jmk_ | stskeeps, thats a bug ;) | 18:42 |
| jmk_ | proc/self/mounts ;) | 18:42 |
| anidel_home | cool I found a bug :p | 18:42 |
| lbt | sadly you just tripped over it | 18:42 |
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| jmk_ | stskeeps, can you see what the 'self' does :-) ? | 18:43 |
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| jmk_ | (points you to the current mountspace; they can vary between tasks) | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | /proc/mounts for me is mounts -> self/mounts anyway | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | but you're right | 18:44 |
| lbt | it's been like that for a few years now | 18:44 |
| anidel_home | weren't you going offline? :p | 18:44 |
| lbt | I did some digging | 18:44 |
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| lbt | he is offline ... that's the bot now .. see the latency is lower | 18:45 |
| jmk_ | containers are annoying | 18:45 |
| anidel_home | :) | 18:45 |
| lbt | jmk_: and useful | 18:45 |
| jmk_ | yeah, for small gang of people. for most, they are a hindrance. | 18:45 |
| anidel_home | mic's retrieving packages...it'll cache them right? right? | 18:46 |
| lbt | jmk_: the problem is linking through the shells | 18:46 |
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| lbt | anidel_home: yes - see SDK page for more info | 18:46 |
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| lbt | jmk_: suggestions for better solutions welcome | 18:46 |
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| lbt | (really) | 18:46 |
| jmk_ | besides, the Best Parts of containers are not even implemented yet I presume (uid, cap etc) | 18:46 |
| lbt | correct, I plan to do 'something better' one day | 18:47 |
| lbt | we looked at lxe | 18:47 |
| lbt | but also systemd | 18:47 |
| jmk_ | and I don't think there are even ways to do things like capability namespaces properly.... | 18:47 |
| lbt | chroot is universal-ish | 18:47 |
| lbt | no - but this is to provide SDK, not a full simulator | 18:47 |
| lbt | so "good enough" is the goal | 18:48 |
| jmk_ | for that they are already ok | 18:48 |
| lbt | my main worry on the SDK is the bind mount | 18:48 |
| jmk_ | but kinda annoying that if you give a cap in your container, it is granted towards the whole system... | 18:48 |
| lbt | I'd like a way to prevent an rm recursing through one | 18:48 |
| jmk_ | hehe | 18:49 |
| jmk_ | been there done that | 18:49 |
| lbt | yes, agreed | 18:49 |
| lbt | seen the SDK warnings ? :D | 18:49 |
| jmk_ | heh | 18:49 |
| jmk_ | I guess you don't have read-only root yet :) ? | 18:49 |
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| jmk_ | we did that with huge load of bind-mounts. RO root was more or less mandatory since there was no integrity protection anywhere | 18:50 |
| anidel_home | lbt; using your minimal ks (I won't burn it), it gives errors when intalling wireless-tools: can't stat ply-image, no perl found | 18:50 |
| lbt | nah .. but we have the /usr merge I think | 18:50 |
| jmk_ | one huge flat usr? | 18:51 |
| lbt | anidel_home: odd, mic ran here | 18:51 |
| lbt | jmk the /usr/bin /bin thing | 18:52 |
| jmk_ | yeah that | 18:52 |
| anidel_home | /bin/mv: cannot stat `/usr/bin/ply-image': No such file or directory | 18:52 |
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| anidel_home | and also complaining about missing wlan.config and setting files, but I guess as a result of a perl script not executing | 18:53 |
| lbt | anidel_home: yeah .... | 18:53 |
| lbt | OK .. lessee | 18:53 |
| * lbt notes ... must run code before releasing it | 18:53 | |
| anidel_home | the ply-image is a no issue, as I see it'll be empty anyway 'cat > ... << EOF' | 18:54 |
| lbt | but no perl.... | 18:54 |
| lbt | no it's an EOF cat | 18:55 |
| lbt | it makes that silly wrapper script | 18:55 |
| anidel_home | ah right, yeah sorry | 18:55 |
| anidel_home | so it'll miss ply-image-real | 18:55 |
| anidel_home | where does that file come from? | 18:56 |
| lbt | I wanted to get plymouth-lite installed | 18:56 |
| anidel_home | it's commented out | 18:57 |
| lbt | but it's in a deep part of Nemo - so it's commented out | 18:57 |
| anidel_home | ok | 18:57 |
| lbt | this is the joy of architectural layering meets real-life | 18:57 |
| anidel_home | so where it actually is ? | 18:57 |
| anidel_home | you said Nemo, but in the minimal ks ? | 18:58 |
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| lbt | yeah - Nemo did all the hardware adaptation for the N900 | 18:58 |
| lbt | ideally that would be a clean set | 18:58 |
| lbt | but it's not | 18:58 |
| lbt | we can remove it for now | 18:58 |
| lbt | easier | 18:58 |
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| anidel_home | remove the ply script fix? | 18:59 |
| lbt | yeah... the whole # Hack -> chmod | 18:59 |
| lbt | now I thought I had perl at that point ... obviously not | 18:59 |
| anidel_home | ok, also forgot to modify the WiFi stuff | 18:59 |
| lbt | I'm moving the perl into the %post --nochroot | 19:00 |
| lbt | perl -pi -e 's/^HOSTNAME=.*/HOSTNAME=localhost.localdomain/; ' $INSTALL_ROOT/etc/sysconfig/network | 19:00 |
| lbt | I'll check on that later | 19:01 |
| lbt | jmk_: have you setup Mer on any devices yet? | 19:01 |
| phaeron | maybe cgroups + containers | 19:03 |
| lbt | phaeron: that's how systemd will do it i think | 19:03 |
| phaeron | systemd only uses cgroups | 19:04 |
| anidel_home | ok now it's missing the wlan.config and setting files | 19:05 |
| * lbt looks | 19:05 | |
| anidel_home | where do I find those scripts it's running? | 19:05 |
| anidel_home | tmp/ks-script-blabla | 19:05 |
| jmk_ | lbt, not yet. just got here an hour ago :-) | 19:05 |
| lbt | jmk_: plenty of time! | 19:06 |
| lbt | phaeron: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ContainerInterface | 19:06 |
| lbt | anidel_home: yeah, I see | 19:06 |
| jmk_ | have been on vacation as it was seriously needed :P | 19:06 |
| lbt | anidel_home: ah, I think connman makes /var/lib/connman | 19:07 |
| anidel_home | at runtime? | 19:07 |
| lbt | yes | 19:07 |
| lbt | which ... hmm | 19:07 |
| phaeron | lbt: cool so it supports containers now ? I remember when running systemd in a container took down the system :D | 19:07 |
| lbt | it really shouldn't be doing that | 19:07 |
| anidel_home | so where's that script and what it's doing with those files? | 19:07 |
| lbt | well, those files are manipulated by connman-test I think | 19:08 |
| anidel_home | I see | 19:08 |
| lbt | jmk_: well, dig your N900 out .... | 19:09 |
| lbt | up-arrow return ... | 19:09 |
| anidel_home | I think it's more part of wireless-tools ? | 19:10 |
| lbt | well, mer minimal is .... minimal | 19:11 |
| lbt | so our wifi tools are shell scripts at best | 19:11 |
| anidel_home | :) | 19:12 |
| lbt | anidel_home: on the exopc I used the connman-test scripts to automate wifi setup | 19:13 |
| anidel_home | anyway... | 19:13 |
| lbt | just to emulate dbus stuff in systemd | 19:13 |
| lbt | this is a touch easier | 19:13 |
| anidel_home | be right back...need to do something around the house first :) and maybe prepare some food | 19:14 |
| lbt | np | 19:14 |
| lbt | I'll just verify and pastie this ks | 19:14 |
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| vgrade | Sage_, will fix the ml links next time, thanks for the pointer | 19:15 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, sorry I missed your ping earlier. | 19:16 |
| Sage_ | vgrade: hehe, it is ok. I found eventually, but for others would be easier to find if latest is on the last page. | 19:16 |
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| Stskeeps | ååP | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | zxs.1 | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | ok, damn screen keyboard. | 19:22 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, do you have cat? | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | no, slow lock screen | 19:23 |
| iekku | :) | 19:23 |
| jmk_ | lbt, ok have one somewhere. will try for sure soon, now Z. -> | 19:24 |
| lbt | o/ | 19:24 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: Hi! Do you have time to look at the problem with registring in Gerrit? | 19:51 |
| lbt | what's the issue? | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | [ol], only saw it 500ed in log too,no specficis | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, feel free to help debug | 19:53 |
| [ol] | lbt: I get this when I try to register using my OpenID: | 19:53 |
| [ol] | HTTP ERROR: 500 | 19:53 |
| [ol] | Problem accessing /OpenID. Reason: | 19:53 |
| [ol] | Server Error | 19:54 |
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| * lbt can think of a sensible solution.... | 19:54 | |
| lbt | involves ldap | 19:55 |
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| rcg1 | [ol]: which open id did you use | 19:58 |
| rcg1 | for me only my google account worked | 19:58 |
| [ol] | djopenid | 19:58 |
| lbt | myopenid here | 19:59 |
| rcg1 | do you happen to have a facebook account to give that a shot? | 19:59 |
| [ol] | Not the latest version, but I've been able to successfully authenticate on livejournal.com and meego.com | 19:59 |
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| [ol] | rcg1: No. I value my privacy. | 20:00 |
| rcg1 | well, i, e.g., tried my wordpress account openid to register with gerrit which apperently did not work | 20:00 |
| lbt | *cough* LDAP | 20:00 |
| rcg1 | [ol]: you are aware that registering a google account does not inflict your privacy? | 20:00 |
| rcg1 | only issue arises once you are going to use it extensively | 20:01 |
| [ol] | I have Google account, but I'd prefer to use my own OpenID server. | 20:01 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: can gerrit enable LDAP and openid? | 20:01 |
| rcg1 | [ol]: right :) | 20:01 |
| rcg1 | would have preferred a different solution too as my google account was literally covered under a pile of dust | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, openid should work | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | ldap is different as it's all encompassing, ie no other auth | 20:02 |
| lbt | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/repo-discuss/1nB7r5BKOWc yep | 20:03 |
| lbt | I think we should be moving gerrit to LDAP btw ... | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i thought same | 20:04 |
| anidel_home | sigh i think I totally bricked a proto N900 :/ | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | need good way to transition though | 20:04 |
| anidel_home | I still have my own proto though :) no worries lbt | 20:04 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: nod ... not on the fly :) | 20:04 |
| lbt | anidel_home: check /var/lib/connman/settings has an 's' on the end in your .ks | 20:05 |
| [ol] | Can the problem be caused by my HTTPS server's certificate which is signed by CAcert? | 20:05 |
| anidel_home | it does not | 20:05 |
| lbt | add one | 20:06 |
| anidel_home | tmp/ks-script-x4Bpwl: line 52: /var/lib/connman/wlan.config: No such file or directory | 20:06 |
| anidel_home | and | 20:06 |
| anidel_home | tmp/ks-script-x4Bpwl: line 70: /var/lib/connman/setting: No such file or directory/bin/mv: cannot stat `/usr/bin/ply-image': No such file or directory | 20:06 |
| lbt | anidel_home: OK .. let me pastie again | 20:06 |
| anidel_home | add one? where? that script is created on the spot , where do I find it? | 20:06 |
| anidel_home | ah found where | 20:07 |
| lbt | https://gist.github.com/3084807 | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: possibly | 20:08 |
| [ol] | Stskeeps: Can you verify that? | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | [ol], need to be at my laptop, in 20 mins or so | 20:09 |
| anidel_home | ah you also added mkdir /var/lib/connman | 20:09 |
| anidel_home | right | 20:10 |
| [ol] | Stskeeps: No problem, I'm not in hurry. I'll be here for several hours more. | 20:10 |
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| anidel_home | no more errors when Running scripts... | 20:16 |
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| chouchoune | Stskeeps: here ? | 20:17 |
| chouchoune | (or anyone, btw ;)) | 20:18 |
| chouchoune | what's "ARCHSCHEDULER" / | 20:19 |
| chouchoune | s/\//?/ | 20:19 |
| chouchoune | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Test_process | 20:19 |
| chouchoune | never mind | 20:19 |
| chouchoune | I know | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | [ol]: please try to log in | 20:36 |
| [ol] | Stskeeps: Just a moment... | 20:38 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: The same problem. | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: http://pastie.org/4233659 | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: i think that means 'i don't like self-signed' | 20:42 |
| chouchoune | is someone able to see if I messed up with my openID identities ? | 20:42 |
| [ol] | Stskeeps: Looks like a known issue. | 20:42 |
| [ol] | 1. http://code.google.com/p/openid4java/issues/detail?id=169 | 20:42 |
| chouchoune | yes, had an issue with self signed yesterday too | 20:42 |
| [ol] | 2. http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/wordpresscom-openid-endpoint-does-not-sign-sreg-attributes | 20:42 |
| lbt | [ol]: IMHO we should move to LDAP ASAP ... please log a bug on this | 20:43 |
| [ol] | Stskeeps: My HTTPS server's certificate is not self-signed. | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: well, ok, cacert? | 20:43 |
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| lbt | My other thought was to implement Kerberos.... anyone? | 20:43 |
| chouchoune | cacert is not included by default usually, so it may be like "unsecure" | 20:44 |
| [ol] | lbt: Kerberos is easy. I have Kerberos on my server. | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: i have to head to bed now, but please file a bug on this particular issue | 20:45 |
| lbt | [ol]: I never got kerberos and LDAP and NFSv4 working | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | solution is ultimately to get switched to ldap and do common auth with rest of infra | 20:45 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: +1 | 20:45 |
| [ol] | Stskeeps: The problem seems to be not with my server's certificate, but with the way my OpenID server presents SReg attributes. I'll take a look today. | 20:45 |
| chouchoune | when I try to push I get a "email address does not match your user account" | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: check your git log, or add more emails in gerrit | 20:45 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: my email looks fine | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | in the log, and make sure gerrit has same understanding | 20:46 |
| chouchoune | committer email address arnaud@delcasse.fr | 20:46 |
| chouchoune | and it's my email in gerrit | 20:47 |
| chouchoune | at least, it appears in "Identities" | 20:47 |
| chouchoune | and in Profile | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: and git log shows correct author | 20:48 |
| chouchoune | ah no | 20:49 |
| chouchoune | ok, thanks | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | commit --amend | 20:49 |
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| chouchoune | Stskeeps: no, must filter-branch I think | 20:52 |
| lbt | yay ... puddle lives | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 20:53 |
| lbt | night | 20:53 |
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| chouchoune | good night | 20:54 |
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| lbt | anidel_home: it works now | 21:19 |
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| anidel_home | lbt back | 21:33 |
| anidel_home | which ks ? latest you gave me? https://gist.github.com/3084807 | 21:33 |
| lbt | let me verify | 21:35 |
| lbt | yep | 21:37 |
| lbt | refresh as it changed | 21:37 |
| anidel_home | refreshed, what did you change? | 21:37 |
| anidel_home | I'll diff | 21:37 |
| lbt | it has a diff on the page | 21:38 |
| lbt | mmm | 21:38 |
| anidel_home | well a part from my WiFi AP name/pw nothing | 21:38 |
| lbt | I though it did | 21:38 |
| anidel_home | maybe you gave me latest one already and haven't made changes since. | 21:39 |
| lbt | could be | 21:39 |
| lbt | nb | 21:39 |
| lbt | sed -e's/<WPA2 passphrase>/MyWPAPhrase/;s/<SSID NAME>/MySSID/;s/localhost.localdomain/MYHOST/;' minimal-n900.ks > minimal-n900.ks-phrased | 21:39 |
| anidel_home | latest you mkdir'd /var/lib/connman , postponed perl stuff and fixed settings file name | 21:39 |
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| lbt | sounds right | 21:39 |
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| lbt | I also pushed my local changes to the not-a-ux package to c.obs | 21:40 |
| anidel_home | MYHOST is just a name I should choose? | 21:40 |
| lbt | I just did zypper up here and it worked | 21:40 |
| lbt | yes | 21:40 |
| lbt | it dyndns it here | 21:40 |
| lbt | I use puddle | 21:40 |
| lbt | mini-mer :) | 21:41 |
| lbt | it has a deliberate bug in it :) | 21:41 |
| lbt | the screen size is wrong | 21:41 |
| anidel_home | n900-mer here:) will dyndns later | 21:41 |
| lbt | so you need to copy the package, edit, build and rebuild the image using your package | 21:41 |
| anidel_home | why's deliberate? | 21:41 |
| lbt | it's based on exopc | 21:42 |
| anidel_home | oh ok..so hang on, which package? | 21:42 |
| anidel_home | the mer-not-a-ux? | 21:42 |
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| lbt | "Use your own UX code + repos" section, yes | 21:42 |
| anidel_home | not clear what should I do there... | 21:43 |
| anidel_home | what does osc do? | 21:43 |
| lbt | hmm | 21:44 |
| lbt | kinda like saying "what does git do" | 21:44 |
| lbt | :) | 21:44 |
| lbt | osc is the command line tool to use the OBS | 21:44 |
| anidel_home | ah I see | 21:44 |
| lbt | it manages upload/downloading source and doing builds | 21:45 |
| lbt | also metadata control | 21:45 |
| anidel_home | the : stands for / | 21:45 |
| lbt | yes | 21:45 |
| lbt | I think they regret that design decision :) | 21:45 |
| anidel_home | eheh and home/lbt/Mer/UX | 21:45 |
| anidel_home | UX is your own path? | 21:45 |
| anidel_home | i called it /home/anidel/Mer/N900 so I should user :Mer:N900 | 21:46 |
| anidel_home | s/user/use | 21:46 |
| lbt | where's that? | 21:46 |
| lbt | ah right | 21:46 |
| lbt | no | 21:46 |
| anidel_home | well not 'called' it, it's where my ks is and thus the raw files and etc | 21:46 |
| lbt | that says : osc copypac home:lbt:Mer:UX mer-not-a-ux home:$USER | 21:47 |
| lbt | it means copy from the home:lbt:Mer:UX project | 21:47 |
| lbt | the mer-not-a-ux package | 21:47 |
| lbt | to ... somewhere | 21:47 |
| anidel_home | ah | 21:47 |
| lbt | home:anidel:Mer:N900 is fine | 21:47 |
| anidel_home | copypac, right! | 21:47 |
| lbt | you'll need to make that subproject | 21:48 |
| lbt | and I've not finished the docs there | 21:48 |
| lbt | need to replicate the repo setup too | 21:48 |
| anidel_home | right, the osc account | 21:49 |
| lbt | yes | 21:49 |
| anidel_home | I need to put the meego one | 21:49 |
| anidel_home | [https://api.pub.meego.com] ? | 21:49 |
| lbt | yes | 21:49 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS | 21:49 |
| anidel_home | 2. Contact David | 21:53 |
| lbt | :) | 21:53 |
| anidel_home | :) I confirm I want an account: anidel | 21:53 |
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| alterego | So now Jolla are planning to release two phones .. Cooooool | 21:53 |
| anidel_home | ah reallty? | 21:53 |
| alterego | I bet the one that isn't the mainstream device has a keyboard. | 21:54 |
| alterego | And the mass market one doesn't. | 21:54 |
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| lbt | anidel_home: done. .... have fun | 21:54 |
| alterego | Either that or they plan on a developer seeding programme of some kind. | 21:54 |
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| alterego | Get a hacker device out quick for people like us, then distribute the mass market device once the UX and everything is up to scratch. | 21:54 |
| alterego | anidel_home: http://t.co/VJZajU9j | 21:55 |
| alterego | But who knows how reliable these sources are ;) | 21:55 |
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| lbt | Well, the article is quoting and then speculating | 21:57 |
| anidel_home | shall I add my own repo then... ok | 22:00 |
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| lbt | did you get it booting using mine? | 22:02 |
| lbt | just so we're starting from a known position | 22:02 |
| anidel_home | shouldn't I use my own UX code? | 22:02 |
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| anidel_home | no haven't tried burning yours yet | 22:02 |
| lbt | eventually... patience grasshopper | 22:03 |
| anidel_home | ah I thought it was a necessary step :) | 22:03 |
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| lbt | OK, we'll have to clarify that | 22:04 |
| anidel_home | burning my microsd | 22:05 |
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| anidel_home | I think it stems from the fact that I am new to OBS | 22:06 |
| lbt | yeah, I should note that too | 22:07 |
| anidel_home | how big is the actual raw file? (not the bzipped one)? | 22:16 |
| anidel_home | I think it's specified in the ks file right? | 22:16 |
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| anidel_home | mmm my firefox is all b&w now... | 22:17 |
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| anidel_home | I think it's a bug in Unity... | 22:19 |
| lbt | anidel_home: yes, it's in the .ks | 22:19 |
| lbt | you sure it's not logging you out | 22:20 |
| lbt | and desaturating the screen :) | 22:20 |
| anidel_home | the dd blocked something and the firefox process got stuck, the window manager noticed it wasn't responding and to highlight that to the user, greys the window out. It came back, but the window remained b&W :) | 22:20 |
| anidel_home | no, it's ff only | 22:20 |
| anidel_home | I remember when I used to play with hdparm and no matter what I was doing on the HD other processes wouldn't be that much affected | 22:21 |
| anidel_home | the moment of truth | 22:23 |
| anidel_home | starting up | 22:24 |
| anidel_home | I see the Mer bg and a pink rectangle moving around | 22:24 |
| lbt | yay | 22:27 |
| anidel_home | that is correct? | 22:27 |
| lbt | the rectangle is due to a bug in the shader code | 22:27 |
| anidel_home | ok | 22:27 |
| anidel_home | I don't think it got an IP address though... | 22:27 |
| anidel_home | I tried to ssh/ping all the IPs that my router gave | 22:28 |
| anidel_home | damn wrong SSID | 22:28 |
| anidel_home | missed a capital letter | 22:28 |
| lbt | hmm | 22:28 |
| lbt | good | 22:28 |
| anidel_home | sigh need re-burning | 22:29 |
| anidel_home | to shutdown, just keep pressing the power button? | 22:29 |
| anidel_home | yep | 22:29 |
| lbt | this is where an N950 is better - you can mount+hack the rootfs | 22:31 |
| lbt | but you must remember all your changes :/ | 22:31 |
| anidel_home | I can mount the microsd | 22:31 |
| lbt | may be quicker | 22:31 |
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| lbt | mmm ... that crashed the shader completely ! | 22:33 |
| anidel_home | ok fixed, let's retry | 22:33 |
| anidel_home | yai! n900-mer appeared :D | 22:33 |
| anidel_home | so what user/pw shall I use? | 22:34 |
| lbt | root/mer | 22:34 |
| lbt | (in the .ks fwiw) | 22:34 |
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| lbt | ok .. fixed one issue | 22:34 |
| anidel_home | great, I am in | 22:34 |
| anidel_home | dmesg shows an oops | 22:35 |
| anidel_home | part / --size 3600 --ondisk mmcblk0p --fstype=ext4 | 22:35 |
| anidel_home | osp | 22:35 |
| anidel_home | WARNING: at arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm34xx.c:300 prcm_interrupt_handler+0xb4/0x108() | 22:35 |
| anidel_home | [ 69.314849] prcm: WARNING: PRCM indicated MPU wakeup but no wakeup sources are marked | 22:36 |
| lbt | fmmm | 22:36 |
| lbt | I don't get that | 22:36 |
| anidel_home | need to be quick | 22:37 |
| anidel_home | as otherwise this will take over: [ 171.650878] pvr: qmlscene: IOCTL 70 failed (13) | 22:37 |
| lbt | https://gist.github.com/3086668 | 22:38 |
| anidel_home | so if I want to start a shell instead of a mer-not-a-ux | 22:38 |
| lbt | well, that requires a getty etc | 22:39 |
| anidel_home | right...anyway...will reboot and copy the dmesg | 22:39 |
| lbt | you tell systemd to use that as the target | 22:39 |
| anidel_home | mmm didn't happen this time | 22:40 |
| anidel_home | possibly something that happened the first time i started it after Maemo? shouldn't be | 22:41 |
| lbt | yeah | 22:41 |
| lbt | joys of this kind of hacking | 22:41 |
| anidel_home | yeah... | 22:41 |
| anidel_home | tomorrow will figure out how to tell MEr to start what I want. | 22:42 |
| anidel_home | meaning how to tell systemd to start my script/app | 22:43 |
| lbt | grep the mer channel logs for getty | 22:43 |
| anidel_home | it'll be enough to have an xterm runnig as well :D this is X running? | 22:43 |
| lbt | yes | 22:43 |
| anidel_home | so it should be easy to start an xterm instead of the Qt5 app, anyway.. | 22:44 |
| anidel_home | cool :) | 22:44 |
| anidel_home | happy | 22:44 |
| lbt | yes it will be | 22:44 |
| anidel_home | my new N950 has been shipped today from Tampere and it's in Germany already | 22:45 |
| lbt | heh ... maybe you can write the next set of docs? | 22:45 |
| anidel_home | which one ? for N950? | 22:46 |
| lbt | yes | 22:46 |
| anidel_home | will do.. | 22:46 |
| anidel_home | so what's the name of this Qt app running? | 22:46 |
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| lbt | qmlscene | 22:49 |
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| lbt | run from minmer.sh in the /usr/share/xsession/default | 22:49 |
| anidel_home | why I don't see it in the ps output | 22:49 |
| lbt | ps -ef | 22:50 |
| lbt | running as mer user | 22:51 |
| anidel_home | well as root I should see it | 22:51 |
| lbt | I meant minimer is running as mer user | 22:51 |
| lbt | I have /usr/bin/qmlscene qml/main.qml | 22:52 |
| anidel_home | understood, but the process should be visible from root with ps -xa | 22:52 |
| anidel_home | oh saw it now | 22:52 |
| lbt | good | 22:52 |
| anidel_home | missed the -a :D | 22:53 |
| anidel_home | ok time to go sleep now | 22:58 |
| lbt | mmm? what | 22:58 |
| anidel_home | btw, with zypper I can install packages right? | 22:58 |
| lbt | oh, yeah | 22:58 |
| * lbt decides sleep is good too | 22:59 | |
| lbt | and that he doesn't grok shaders | 22:59 |
| anidel_home | no xterm? | 22:59 |
| anidel_home | eheh | 22:59 |
| lbt | "minimal" | 22:59 |
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| lbt | your mission, should you choose to accept it.... | 23:00 |
| lbt | you can probably copy Xterm into your home UX project - I don't think it has any deps outside of Mer Core | 23:00 |
| anidel_home | no I mean no xterm as a package to install | 23:01 |
| lbt | no, it's not in any of the repos you have | 23:01 |
| anidel_home | ah there...okay, fine | 23:01 |
| lbt | you can add Nemo repos | 23:01 |
| lbt | and it's in one of them | 23:01 |
| anidel_home | no it was just for fun...not now anyway | 23:01 |
| lbt | or better, you copypac from Nemo and make it part of your UX | 23:01 |
| lbt | tomorrow | 23:02 |
| anidel_home | true | 23:02 |
| lbt | this is all about prototyping and keeping it small/producty | 23:02 |
| anidel_home | yeah | 23:02 |
| anidel_home | okay...see you tomorrow | 23:04 |
| lbt | o/ | 23:04 |
| anidel_home | and thanks for guiding | 23:04 |
| anidel_home | \o | 23:04 |
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