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| Stskeeps | morn Hexxeh | 05:37 |
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| rantom | Morning | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | morn rantom :) | 06:37 |
| rantom | Morning, Stskeeps :) | 06:37 |
| rantom | Just double checking: was there mailing list clean up done some time ago? There's still spam coming through, but very little amount though compared to the earlier. | 06:38 |
| Stskeeps | wiki was turned to requiring mer login at least, mailing list.. dunno | 06:39 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | Sleepy_Coder: go look at http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/18/multi-process-lighthouse/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83mChc-hQE&feature=plcp and you start to realize wayland is a completely different game | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:41 |
| Sleepy_Coder | Sneaky sneaky :p | 06:42 |
| Sleepy_Coder | Stskeeps: also thanks :3 | 06:43 |
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| Stskeeps | cristi: btw, we got window composition working fine with wayland and llvmpipe | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | (re the old discussion on dri2 and blanking screens) | 07:00 |
| cristi | Stskeeps: cool | 07:00 |
| cristi | do you have any kickstart? | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | we do, but it's a bit advanced - and it isn't nemo but a completely different graphics stack | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83mChc-hQE&feature=plcp is a video of things in practice | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mini-mer-i586-vm-qmlcompositor.ks | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | the lag on there is known and caused by fbcon/cursor blink issues | 07:01 |
| cristi | thanks | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | our idea is to do mer with a minimal footprint and use exopc, virtualbox, s10-3t, n900/n950/n9, raspberry pi as reference, and build a sane system on top | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | so it makes for a really good wayland-based systems development kit | 07:02 |
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| lbt | morning all | 07:21 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 07:21 |
| * lbt stretches | 07:23 | |
| lbt | get anywhere on copyprj ? | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | sortof, some more hints on what goes wrong | 07:24 |
| rcg | mornin | 07:24 |
| lbt | o/ rcg | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | i don't understand why fe keeps on stalling in apache2 | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | and then eventually seizes totally | 07:24 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: is this the rzce? | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | what? :P | 07:24 |
| lbt | races ... in copyprj | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | well, in part, rpmname.meta isn't copied from :full to new project at least | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | and it sees 'gcc' as 'new build' | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | which is intruiging | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | i'm waiting for iamer to wake up and we'll probably go heads on with be/fe | 07:25 |
| lbt | when I dug into it I saw side effect event notifications | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | we're currently testing scenario where we build/publish disable in original project | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | and then copy | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | for a more controlled setting | 07:26 |
| lbt | so tracing through fn calls led to events going to the scheduler which caused state re-assement | 07:26 |
| lbt | yep - that's what I suggested | 07:26 |
| lbt | so doing that in fe? | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | in my copy i've just disabled it in original project first | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | but phaeron has a patch that does it on copyprj too | 07:27 |
| lbt | OK - I have code to manipulate in the api call | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | the 'fe' stalls really bother me | 07:28 |
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| Stskeeps | because they happen without me doing anything | 07:28 |
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| lbt | let me look - they're not nice | 07:28 |
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| Stskeeps | is not stalling right now but probably will in an hour or so | 07:29 |
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| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/open-build-service/commit/a3b93b16dd687aa1cf0966ef269c4bd05f46dbfe#L0R1207 | 07:35 |
| lbt | btw | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | .. that's supposed to do what? | 07:41 |
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| CosmoHill | morning | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | morn CosmoHill | 07:50 |
| CosmoHill | I've been up since 6am but I got to see the Olympic torch :D | 07:50 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: prj.add_flag("build", "disable", 0, :nil) <---- clue | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: right, phaeron has a similar patch | 07:52 |
| lbt | wasn't sure if he'd picked it up yet | 07:52 |
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| phaeron | morning | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | morn phaeron | 08:20 |
| lbt | morning phaeron | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: you're free to use fe/be for debugging to make pace go faster | 08:20 |
| phaeron | yeah 4 packages build since yesterday night .. | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | i've added your iamer user as admin | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | use Core:i486 as example | 08:22 |
| phaeron | but you said the fe hangs ? | 08:22 |
| phaeron | as in api ? | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes, just log in and rcapache2 stop / start if that happens | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure it's related to 'our' stuff | 08:22 |
| * lbt has a ssh session open | 08:22 | |
| Stskeeps | osc -d -A http://api-ci.tspre.org copyprj -m "foo" -H -b -n -p Core:i486 Core:test7:i486 | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | is what i've been using | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | for increasing values of test | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | -p, --prjconf copy the prjconf also | 08:26 |
| phaeron | lbt: waiting for you | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | API should be up atm though | 08:27 |
| lbt | phaeron: I just meant if you had issues with it hanging | 08:28 |
| phaeron | someone changed the screen keybindings .. :D | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | our aim is to copy Core:i486 to some other new project, re-enable build, and not have it start a rebuild of packages | 08:29 |
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| lbt | mmm yeah - you should normally use screen from your user account | 08:29 |
| lbt | I changed the root ones way back | 08:29 |
| lbt | although shouldn't be on fe | 08:30 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: what happens if you do a manual build disable, copy, and then manually enable? | 08:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: that's what i'm doing | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | Core:i486 is right now manual build disable/publish | 08:35 |
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| lbt | so you've not yet run that trial ? | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | i have, several times | 08:35 |
| lbt | and what happens? | 08:35 |
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| Stskeeps | when i re-enable, gcc (and a few other packages) are noted as 'new build' | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | at this stage | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | this was after manually copying in .meta files from :full though | 08:36 |
| lbt | OK, that's what I wasn't sure about | 08:36 |
| lbt | so essentially disabling build flag is not enough | 08:36 |
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| Stskeeps | well, something weird happens for sure | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | a previous patch had: 2012-07-04 22:10:41 ncurses meta change unchanged 2m 8s phost4/3 | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | as the start of the wave | 08:38 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: i think part of the problem is /build/prjname/repo/arch/:full/*.meta at least | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/4214527 | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | is much smaller set than before | 08:47 |
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| phaeron | :full/* are collected by the reposerver from individual package dirs in /build/prjname when you turn on publishing | 08:48 |
| phaeron | we turned off publishing so you don't get a :full dir | 08:48 |
| phaeron | afaik | 08:48 |
| lbt | ceffoo needed | 08:48 |
| phaeron | yes bbiab | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just not sure wtf is actually putting things in :full | 08:49 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: so, have you cleaned up the 'armv8' ambiguity in mer? because the /real/ armv8 seems to have hit kernel.org | 08:52 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: see sub putbinary in reposerver for example | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: no, but i might at some point | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: and yes, i know :( | 08:53 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: and sub addrepo_scan in repserver too | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | do we use putbinary in copies? | 08:55 |
| phaeron | no | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:56 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: phaeron... just a comment ... you're discovering a lot about how this stuff works. It may be an idea to summarise it as you go | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not entirely sure i understand it, at all | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:08 |
| lbt | I know what you mean - best guess then | 09:09 |
| lbt | especially "this stupid functon claims to do this but actually does that too" | 09:09 |
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| Stskeeps | phdeswer: who should we get together to discuss how we can do things better next FOSDEM re open mobile devroom and embedded etc, format, etc? | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | (seems like a good time to start) | 09:16 |
| lbt | count me in for helping to organise too | 09:17 |
| alterego | I see jukka is saying there's some meego related news today. | 09:18 |
| alterego | On a Saturday, seems kind of odd. | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, waiting to see what it is too | 09:19 |
| alterego | I think possibly N950 PR1.3 | 09:19 |
| alterego | Or maybe the complete open sourcing of Harmattan. | 09:20 |
| * alterego chuckles | 09:20 | |
| jonni | or pr1.3 sdk. | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | pr1.3 sdk isn't out? | 09:20 |
| alterego | No, not yet. | 09:20 |
| jonni | not yet afaik | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | scary | 09:20 |
| lbt | MeeGo 2.0 .... based on .deb \o/ | 09:20 |
| alterego | But PR1.3 should be source compatible really. There weren't that many API changes in qml components as far as I remember. | 09:21 |
| alterego | s/source/binary/ | 09:21 |
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| jonni | mostly bug fixes and not that many api breakages, but pr1.3 simulator & sdk repo would be nice. | 09:22 |
| alterego | Meltemi DDP :) | 09:22 |
| alterego | Another possible announcement for today ;) | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | 'possible', now you're kidding me | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | ok, my wsegl can render to screen on n950/n9.. | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | one more step towards qml compositor on n950/n9 in 2012 | 09:26 |
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| alterego | :) | 09:31 |
| alterego | The olympic torch came through my town this morning. | 09:36 |
| phaeron | glibc rebuilds _again_ | 09:37 |
| phaeron | on my local obs | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: can i see your job history? | 09:38 |
| phaeron | not related to prjcopy | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | wtill | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | still | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like to see where it bootstraps/repeats | 09:38 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4214680 | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | interesting, your obs has perl being unchanged | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | i thought i had made nss not rebuild | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | could you file a bug report and attach the bug log for that? | 09:41 |
| phaeron | when did you do that maybe my mds is not synced | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | long ago | 09:41 |
| phaeron | ok I synced mine a week ago at least | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, way before that | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | bug please :) (build log) | 09:42 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413 | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 09:45 |
| macmaN | murgh | 09:45 |
| * alterego ponders what to do today, 3D printing, or mer. | 09:46 | |
| macmaN | dos2unix 6.0. wicked. | 09:46 |
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| alterego | So how did we not know of this JollaMobile? | 09:49 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: ? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | hum? | 09:49 |
| alterego | Do they have a website? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | look at the twitter | 09:49 |
| alterego | So this is jukka's pet? | 09:50 |
| alterego | Cool | 09:50 |
| alterego | linked in link: "We're sorry but the company you are looking for does not exist." | 09:52 |
| alterego | lol | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes, try again | 09:52 |
| macmaN | jollaaaaaa! | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | fucking linkedin | 09:52 |
| alterego | Nope, still not working O_o | 09:53 |
| macmaN | i got the page | 09:53 |
| macmaN | hit Follow | 09:53 |
| alterego | Nope, still not working -_- | 09:54 |
| alterego | Ah, Jussi Hurmola, don't remember the name. | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | Jolla Ltd. is a Finland based smartphone company which continues the great work that Nokia started with MeeGo. The Jolla team is formed by directors and core professionals from Nokia's MeeGo N9 organisation, together with some of the best minds working on MeeGo in the communities. | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | Nokia created something wonderful - the world's best smartphone product. It deserves to be continued, and we will do that together with all the bright and gifted people contributing to the MeeGo success story. | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | Together with international investors and partners, Jolla Ltd. will design, develop and sell new MeeGo based smartphones. The Jolla team consists of a substantial number of MeeGo's core engineers and directors, and is aggressively hiring the top MeeGo talent to contribute to the next generation smartphone production. | 09:57 |
| alterego | Probably not us then .. lol | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | https://twitter.com/#!/JollaMobile/following | 10:00 |
| alterego | Maybe you then :P | 10:01 |
| iekku | :) | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | more to come | 10:03 |
| rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1233288#post1233288 | 10:03 |
| iekku | alterego, i'm also in jolla | 10:05 |
| alterego | I noticed iekku :) | 10:05 |
| rzr | this is a awsome news | 10:05 |
| * Stskeeps 's involved too | 10:06 | |
| alterego | Indeed it is, I'm really looking forward to how this all comes together. | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | so i'll let you assume merproject is used in this too :) | 10:07 |
| rzr | they should hire balmer services as CTO ! | 10:07 |
| kyyberi | :) | 10:07 |
| alterego | Oh god :P | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | rzr: developer relations | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:07 |
| rzr | chair man he loves chairs | 10:08 |
| alterego | Heh, when he inevitably gets the sack from Nokia, Jolla should employ him as the coffee boy. :P | 10:08 |
| iekku | i think that coffee might tasta bad.. | 10:09 |
| iekku | taste also | 10:09 |
| alterego | Probably Americans are awful at coffee. | 10:11 |
| alterego | So is Jolla planning to use Mer? | 10:11 |
| macmaN | iekku: i'm coming through helsinki in a few weeks, you think anyone at Jolla got an hour or so to figure out how i could be useful to the effort? | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | macmaN: there should be information eventually regarding hiring, but send me a CV at carsten.munk@jollamobile.com | 10:12 |
| alterego | You even have an email?! :P | 10:12 |
| iekku | macmaN, i was just going to ask you cv :) | 10:12 |
| iekku | iekku.pylkka@jollamobile.com | 10:13 |
| macmaN | Stskeeps iekku: ok cool. ill write up a few thoughts and put my profile in your inbox during the week. | 10:14 |
| macmaN | it'd be interesting to know what is needed in the bigger picture for this to succeed | 10:15 |
| macmaN | new app store? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | macmaN: thank you | 10:15 |
| macmaN | what's needed to get developers doing apps | 10:15 |
| macmaN | what's needed for users to buy this thing | 10:15 |
| macmaN | what's needed to get a device out the door without running into the stuff vivaldi did | 10:16 |
| alterego | macmaN: these guys know more about the logistics of devices than the vivaldi team. | 10:17 |
| alterego | And it's a different kind of device, a different platform, and hopefully they'll keep the idea of MeeGo being truely open, so maybe other vendors will become interested again. | 10:17 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: enough answer from twitter? | 10:21 |
| lbt | I read "Later" ... :) | 10:22 |
| chouchoune | so, merproject ... | 10:24 |
| chouchoune | great ! | 10:24 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: trying to ssh to be and fe | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:25 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: brilliant :) | 10:27 |
| alterego | At somepoint they're going to have to drop the MeeGo name though no? | 10:28 |
| rzr | meego is already dead | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | without especially knowing about that, MeeGo is an idea, a dream | 10:29 |
| rzr | at least for investors etc | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | that it may be in other forms or other names eventually is something else | 10:29 |
| rzr | what about gnulinuxmobile ? :) | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | GNU is a registered trademark, isn't it? ;) | 10:29 |
| alterego | Heh | 10:29 |
| alterego | Yeah, I'm not arguing with the usage, it's the best way to keep the community together. | 10:30 |
| alterego | And to hopefully bring maemo and mer closer. | 10:30 |
| rzr | i donno who is behind this twitter account , but something makes me think he will lose his week/end :) | 10:31 |
| alterego | lol | 10:31 |
| alterego | rzr: hopefully there's more than one ;) | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | rzr: Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones together with the #N9 core professionals and #MeeGo community alumni. Tweets by @jukkaeklund | 10:31 |
| alterego | So, I have to ask, what does "Jolla" actually mean? :) | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | what did maemo mean? | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:33 |
| dm8tbr | it means dinghy or life boat in finnish at least. | 10:33 |
| alterego | Many people tried to understand, and they all failed :P | 10:33 |
| alterego | dm8tbr: the irony isn't lost at least :) | 10:34 |
| rzr | juice of lime & liltle alchool | 10:34 |
| rzr | you fix the spelling | 10:34 |
| alterego | As long as they don't put in a mission statement like those cloud berry guys. | 10:35 |
| alterego | I think mentioning burning platforms, though it was hilarious, is probably a mistake ;) | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | [12:33] <dm8tbr> it means dinghy or life boat in finnish at least. | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | i think that's a bit of a reference | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:37 |
| alterego | As long as it's not too blatant ;) | 10:38 |
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| lbt | hmm | 10:46 |
| lbt | I seriously wonder what this may do to the meego.com c.obs | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 10:46 |
| alterego | lbt: worried someone might pull the plug? | 10:46 |
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| Stskeeps | well, we've been worrried about that for several months now anyway | 10:48 |
| lbt | just a thought that Intel/LF may have an issue now | 10:48 |
| timoph | hmmh. any small c++ task need a doer? I need something to remind me on how to write that stuff | 10:48 |
| lbt | it's not a huge deal - just a tiny risk factor increase | 10:49 |
| timoph | plain c++ preferred, Qt works as well | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: testrunner-ui? | 10:49 |
| alterego | lbt: I don't think LF will care much, but Intel may pressure them :/ | 10:49 |
| timoph | hmmh | 10:49 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: any specific requests? | 10:49 |
| lbt | yes | 10:49 |
| lbt | "check ssh connection" | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: strictly speaking it's a company doing stuff, not us | 10:50 |
| lbt | little button in the settings that does an ssh | 10:50 |
| timoph | so some indicator that the connection is on/off? | 10:50 |
| lbt | timoph: that a connection can be established | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: but it would be a good time to check our off site backups work | 10:50 |
| timoph | ah | 10:50 |
| lbt | X-Fade: ping ^^^ | 10:50 |
| timoph | lbt: host based testing setting is not enough in the settings? | 10:57 |
| timoph | not sure if I understand what you're after | 10:57 |
| lbt | I type in the IP, the username and the key, yes? | 10:57 |
| timoph | yep. that's all there | 10:58 |
| lbt | then I want to press a button and it verifies that they actually work | 10:58 |
| timoph | ah | 10:58 |
| timoph | got it | 10:58 |
| lbt | so later when I run the tests, I know it's not just a bad ssh setup :) eg wrong IP | 10:58 |
| timoph | I'll add a 'check connection' button to the setting page | 10:58 |
| lbt | what'd be nice is that it checks various things - basic ssh listening (tcp open), ssh connect, ssh authorised, client code present, client code live | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | eat present. | 10:59 |
| timoph | true | 10:59 |
| lbt | so that helps me know the ip is right but the ssh server is not there | 10:59 |
| timoph | actually I think I'll add 'diagnostics' subpage to the settings | 11:00 |
| timoph | and start adding checks into it | 11:01 |
| lbt | yep, that works too | 11:01 |
| timoph | so you'll get a nice summary of the used configuration and what works or not | 11:01 |
| * timoph needs to plan a bit | 11:02 | |
| * lbt suggests a simple button would be a useful and agile step 1 :) | 11:02 | |
| lbt | ie done today, useful on monday :) | 11:03 |
| timoph | :) | 11:03 |
| alterego | Heh | 11:03 |
| alterego | Right, I need a shower. | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | hello iluminator105 :) | 11:13 |
| iluminator105 | can someone point to a good article on how to install nemo on n900 on harddrive | 11:13 |
| iluminator105 | hi Stskeeps | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | iluminator105: you're best off testing it on microsd | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | and there's no harddrive in the n900 | 11:14 |
| dm8tbr | the n900 does not have a harddrive, also using microsd is preferred | 11:14 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing | 11:14 |
| iluminator105 | i mean the microsd | 11:15 |
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| * timoph ponders about the connection check implementation | 11:15 | |
| iluminator105 | you guys used nemo on a daily basis on your n900 | 11:15 |
| timoph | since ssh is handled by tr-lite during the test runs | 11:15 |
| lbt | timoph: ah | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | iluminator105: yeah, but it has it's probelms | 11:15 |
| lbt | timoph: is tr-lite spawned? | 11:16 |
| lbt | and results returned? | 11:16 |
| iluminator105 | what do you suggest for long term support then meego? | 11:16 |
| lbt | if so, spawn "tr-ssh-check" | 11:16 |
| timoph | lbt: all the logic is in tr-lite. ui is just a wrapper | 11:16 |
| timoph | and presentation | 11:16 |
| timoph | so might make more sense to add the checking things into tr-lite | 11:16 |
| lbt | spawning a test app that pops up a window is fine | 11:16 |
| lbt | yeah, maybe | 11:17 |
| timoph | that way you could do the check from cli | 11:17 |
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| timoph | also from automation pow that would make more sense | 11:17 |
| lbt | yep | 11:17 |
| iluminator105 | i am looking for like a centos of maemo/nemo | 11:19 |
| timoph | lbt: but yeah. the fast and easy way to do it would be the bundle a test suite with ui that does the checks | 11:20 |
| lbt | and the button to call it? | 11:20 |
| timoph | yep | 11:20 |
| lbt | that gets you the C++ bit you wanted | 11:20 |
| timoph | :D | 11:20 |
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| alterego | Still not sure what to do today. | 11:23 |
| lbt | ruby? | 11:23 |
| alterego | lol | 11:23 |
| alterego | Yeah, okay. | 11:23 |
| alterego | I'll just have a quick shower. | 11:23 |
| lbt | I usually feel like that *after* packaging ruby... but fair enough | 11:23 |
| alterego | lol | 11:24 |
| timoph | x) | 11:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hello kasperi :) | 11:25 |
| kasperi | hello Stskeeps | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 11:26 |
| iluminator105 | is there like a commercial grade replacement for maemo | 11:27 |
| alterego | iluminator105: nope | 11:27 |
| alterego | iluminator105: it's an incremental process, do you have any experience coding? | 11:28 |
| alterego | The idea is you pitch in and help make it what you want. | 11:28 |
| alterego | I think we're lacking a decent email client at the moment. | 11:28 |
| iluminator105 | very little, i use centos i just want the thing to work period | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | mer uses rpm | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:29 |
| iluminator105 | i guess like a 6 month old version of nemo should be stable and tested or ... | 11:30 |
| alterego | Well, each release gets better and better. | 11:30 |
| alterego | So you probably want to keep it up to date ;) | 11:30 |
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| iluminator105 | i guess i try a new nemo version see how it goes | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | hello taziff :) | 11:36 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hey | 11:36 |
| taziff | hello Stskeeps | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | taziff: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | moo Venemo_N9 | 11:36 |
| Venemo_N9 | so, jolla went public. :) | 11:36 |
| kyyberi | any use for non-coder in Mer-project? i could contribute something small :) | 11:36 |
| Venemo_N9 | moo Stskeeps :) | 11:36 |
| lbt | kyyberi: hey | 11:36 |
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| kyyberi | lbt: hi | 11:37 |
| lbt | non-coders are welcome - though we admit we mainly do code stuff | 11:37 |
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| lbt | so we have docs and testing too - as usual | 11:38 |
| kyyberi | thought so, fully understandable | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | kyyberi: everything from metrics to wiki to 'hey, guys, this stuff causes my stuff to catch fire' | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | hello zhaqq, ravirdv, deztructor | 11:38 |
| ravirdv | hi! | 11:38 |
| lbt | graphic design things too kyyberi | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | ravirdv: welcome here to #mer :) what brings you here? | 11:38 |
| zhaqq | hi there! | 11:38 |
| lbt | kyyberi: what areas were you thinking? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | and same question to zhaqq :) | 11:38 |
| kyyberi | lbt: hmmmm.... | 11:38 |
| * lbt feels the need for a FAQ | 11:38 | |
| ravirdv | I'm qt developer & fan | 11:38 |
| ravirdv | :) | 11:39 |
| deztructor | Stskeeps: hi :) | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | .. and deztructor :) | 11:39 |
| ravirdv | just read the news about JollaMobile | 11:39 |
| * lbt also really needs to get the "Mer on N900 and Mer on N950" (etc etc) instructions sorted | 11:39 | |
| kyyberi | I want to do some semi-coding kind of stuff, perhaps scripting if there is need for such? | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | ravirdv: cool :) if you have any questions, don't hestitate to ask - else feel free to hang out and learn more | 11:39 |
| zhaqq | well, im a qt dev:) | 11:39 |
| lbt | kyyberi: a lot of scripting | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | ravirdv: yeah, exciting news | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | zhaqq: cool :) | 11:40 |
| deztructor | Stskeeps: just foss engineer :) had relation to meego ;) | 11:40 |
| kyyberi | I can do perl and some ruby, but willing to learn other stuff as well | 11:40 |
| lbt | our backend build systems use perl/ruby a lot | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | deztructor: alright - three people came in at once, so for all of you: if you have any questions at any time, feel free to ask, else feel free to hang out and learn more :) | 11:40 |
| lbt | rails based | 11:40 |
| kyyberi | lbt: cool! | 11:40 |
| kyyberi | I have done some tests, smaller scale stuff in Rails | 11:41 |
| lbt | BTW (everyone) our focus in mer is to make life easy for vendors to build products | 11:41 |
| deztructor | Stskeeps: so I am just hanging and looking what is going on :) | 11:41 |
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| Stskeeps | deztructor: :) | 11:41 |
| kyyberi | and about to dig deeper in Rails (in work) | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | ravirdv: here we develop Mer Core, a core used in many different products and companies, including JollaMobile | 11:41 |
| lbt | kyyberi: yeah, so I want to do things like rails extensions to OBS to provide richer build data | 11:42 |
| kyyberi | lbt: sounds like things I could contribute to | 11:42 |
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| lbt | kyyberi: OK - I suggest starting by building a small ui in QML script on top of a device and seeing how OBS works | 11:43 |
| lbt | should show you around | 11:43 |
| Venemo_N9 | meh, my N9 decided to screw me. 2/3 of the battery just evaporated... | 11:43 |
| kyyberi | lbt: ok | 11:43 |
| lbt | writing the HOWTO is my current task BTW - so you can test that too | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: probably the heat | 11:43 |
| Venemo_N9 | fortu ately I found a plug on the train. | 11:43 |
| lbt | I'm aiming at N900 first | 11:43 |
| kyyberi | lbt: nice :) | 11:43 |
| Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, can the heat do that just like that? | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: it's 32 C here and my n950 is acting freaking weird | 11:44 |
| Venemo_N9 | it literally evaporated. one moment it was 70%, a second later "battery low" with red warning | 11:45 |
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| Venemo_N9 | well, my N950 didn't have any problems in the 38 C last summer. | 11:46 |
| vgrade | \u | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | moo vgrade | 11:48 |
| CosmoHill | woof | 11:48 |
| deztructor | Venemo_N9: it should not have any problems @ this temperature | 11:52 |
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| Venemo_N9 | deztructor, I agree. | 11:52 |
| deztructor | Stskeeps: maybe modem or smth is eating CPU cycles? | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | deztructor: probably, started using mosh and it should really use libiphb.. | 11:53 |
| Venemo_N9 | or the indicator is nuts | 11:54 |
| timoph | lbt: talked with sampos on the phone. tr-lite already does some checks when running the tests but there's no implementation to just to call check. We'll work on it today | 11:54 |
| lbt | neat - ta | 11:54 |
| timoph | and after the tr-lite side is done I'll make checking available to tr-ui as well | 11:55 |
| timoph | hopefully it's as simple as I think it is :) | 11:55 |
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| deztructor | Stskeeps: good to check e.g. tcpdump. It looks like on N9(50) most of the issues with power are coming from active network usage by some apps and smartsearch/tracker | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | deztructor: :nod: | 11:57 |
| Venemo_N9 | ok, it's only the | 11:58 |
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| Venemo_N9 | it's only the indicator | 11:58 |
| rcg | does anyone know if there is a significant difference between the archos g9 101 and its tubo variant? | 11:59 |
| alterego | ravirdv: cool :) | 12:00 |
| rcg | am asking because i am currently considering buying such a table and put mer + plasma active on it | 12:00 |
| Venemo_N9 | rcg, faster cpu afaik | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: ghz/higher chipset i thinkl | 12:00 |
| alterego | Whoops, the awkwardness when you talk to someone, and realise your irssi buffer was half way up .. | 12:00 |
| Venemo_N9 | actually I'm also considering getting an archos g9 for mer fun | 12:01 |
| rcg | Stskeeps: Venemo_N9, yeah, question is if they changed some "minor" parts that require a different hw adaptation | 12:01 |
| alterego | lbt: so, where are we with Ruby, do we actually have the interpreter packages packaged? | 12:01 |
| rcg | on the other hand.. if mer does not work i should be safe to reflash the stock os and return the tablet within the 14days return period | 12:02 |
| lbt | alterego: yes, they're in Sage_'s home branch | 12:02 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: I am preferring to wait for builds to finish. added another worker | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ok | 12:02 |
| alterego | lbt: okay, should I look at those first or get started with looking in to packaging the gems | 12:02 |
| Venemo_N9 | rcg, can you keep in touch and tell me how it turned out? | 12:02 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: the ci obs is not working | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ok | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | fe or be? | 12:03 |
| lbt | alterego: I think the gem thing is the more important - ruby is almost a one-off | 12:03 |
| rcg | Venemo_N9: well, i could not yet convince myself to get one.. but atm chances are pretty good :) | 12:03 |
| alterego | My fd is called fe-be, lolz | 12:03 |
| phaeron | fe keeps giving timeout pages | 12:03 |
| alterego | s/fd/gf/ .. | 12:03 |
| lbt | and I think we may need to pull the opensuse ruby packaging | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: yeah, stalls :/ | 12:03 |
| rcg | Venemo_N9: however, i will be in south africa the next week and won't have time to hack around that much ;) | 12:03 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: fe is timeout on be at the moment | 12:04 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: of course qt still has to build and that could take forever :/ | 12:04 |
| lbt | I'll enable debug in webui | 12:04 |
| alterego | lbt: that's what I was planning on doing .. lol | 12:04 |
| alterego | lbt: I'd imagine the gem2rpm stuff is in there .. | 12:04 |
| lbt | may be a good start | 12:04 |
| lbt | discrete project | 12:04 |
| alterego | Okay, lets see what I can come up with. | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: just remove qt, should be fine | 12:04 |
| lbt | also see my home:lbt subprojects | 12:04 |
| phaeron | good idea | 12:05 |
| alterego | will do | 12:05 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: what else is big that can go | 12:09 |
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| phaeron | v8 and wayland ? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: v8, qtwebkit | 12:10 |
| phaeron | removed qt* | 12:10 |
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| alterego | lbt: so if I wanted to pull in gem2rpm, and the opensuse ruby packages to build, what would be the best way of doing that? | 12:18 |
| alterego | Can I clone from their obs? | 12:18 |
| lbt | yeah - but ... | 12:18 |
| alterego | ... | 12:22 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hm, what the hell is mozilla doing? 'firefox os'? srsly? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: i don't think B2G can be underestimated | 12:27 |
| Venemo_N9 | I'm not underestimating, but I don't understand why they did that thing. | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | the rename? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | Boot2Gecko doesn't sell | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | firefox is a brand | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:28 |
| Venemo_N9 | no, the os | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | oh, the OS? | 12:28 |
| Venemo_N9 | I mean, does it have advantages over Mer or Tizen? | 12:28 |
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| Stskeeps | because they were able to exploit a gap in the market left by tizen delays, pretty much :) | 12:28 |
| Venemo_N9 | heh | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: they can leverage android hw adaptations, as a start.. | 12:28 |
| Venemo_N9 | are they building on android? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes, deep down | 12:29 |
| dm8tbr | they can take what a 'silicon vendor' gives them as a 'android support package' and just put B2G on top of it | 12:30 |
| alterego | Who's Marc Dillon? | 12:30 |
| dm8tbr | IMHO foremost due to the whole craptastic GLES situation, second due to RIL. | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: COO | 12:31 |
| Venemo_N9 | hmm. | 12:31 |
| Venemo_N9 | are they a threat to mer? | 12:31 |
| dm8tbr | although I've seen ofono-ril | 12:31 |
| alterego | Oh, of Jolla? | 12:31 |
| dm8tbr | Venemo_N9: b2g is different concept, so not really. | 12:31 |
| Venemo_N9 | dm8tbr, okay :) | 12:32 |
| alterego | b2g is a layer on top of Linux, so in theory they can use us | 12:32 |
| Aard | dm8tbr: ofono-ril is plugging in ofono as a ril for the android-stack; what is needed for mer would be ril-ofono ;) | 12:32 |
| dm8tbr | Aard: I was talking about the B2G perspective | 12:32 |
| dm8tbr | if a chipset has ofono support you can use ofono-ril (if ril is missing or sucks more than ofono adaptation) | 12:33 |
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| Aard | yes | 12:33 |
| Aard | and it would be useful to have the different direction as well | 12:34 |
| dm8tbr | indeed | 12:34 |
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| Stskeeps | hello _al_ :) | 12:36 |
| _al_ | hello | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 12:36 |
| _al_ | I read about jolla today | 12:37 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, exciting news :) if you have any questions about Mer, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out | 12:37 |
| sampos | timoph: sooo .. a connection check to testrunner-lite | 12:39 |
| * sampos was in the phone with timoph a while ago :) | 12:40 | |
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| timoph | sampos: yea | 12:42 |
| timoph | sampos: I'll be afk for about 15-20. ask lbt for the details is you need to | 12:43 |
| timoph | mins that is | 12:44 |
| * timoph goes | 12:44 | |
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| iekku | what a nice and exiting day :) | 12:53 |
| alterego | iekku: I'm enjoying myself :) | 12:53 |
| dm8tbr | I believe you meant exciting ;) | 12:53 |
| alterego | lol, exiting day :P | 12:54 |
| alterego | It's not that late yet. | 12:54 |
| iekku | exciting! yes | 12:54 |
| iekku | :D | 12:54 |
| Aard | iekku: there are support groups for that... we can talk about your problems... | 12:54 |
| dm8tbr | maybe the last linux guy exiting the nokia building pressed the *nuke* button on the infra ;) | 12:54 |
| dm8tbr | that would be an exiting day | 12:55 |
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| iekku | Aard, can i send msg to you? | 12:55 |
| timoph | sampos: back | 12:55 |
| Aard | sure | 12:55 |
| iekku | Aard, so you are my supporter, cool :) | 12:56 |
| alterego | Stskeeps, are there any mer t-shirts around? I remember lbt saying he had a few left? | 12:57 |
| * alterego should get one :P | 12:57 | |
| alterego | I suppose I could do my own batch. | 12:57 |
| niqt | iekku: which is the relationship between jolla and mer | 12:59 |
| iekku | niqt, jolla is working with mer | 13:00 |
| iekku | or for mer :P | 13:00 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | niqt: to Mer, jolla is yet another vendor, though it contributes people (resources) | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | so mer is a independent, vendor-agnostic core, and many companies work together on it to share the load/work | 13:01 |
| iekku | niqt, so basicly nothing changed, but maybe we get more vendors and members to mer | 13:02 |
| niqt | good | 13:02 |
| alterego | We're promoting a lego based approach to building software platforms for all kinds of devices. | 13:02 |
| alterego | With Mer being the foundation block/s :) | 13:03 |
| iekku | as mer has gotten also lot's of publicity too today | 13:03 |
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| * timoph kicks gitorious | 13:04 | |
| niqt | but i don't undestand , for jolla meego==harmtann or is real meego ? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | niqt: jollamobile twitter has stated it's working with #merproject | 13:05 |
| alterego | niqt: I wouldn't worry about those questions ;) | 13:05 |
| timoph | I'd say in this context meego != harmattan and meego refers more to the continuation of it which is mer :) | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | meego spirit, etc | 13:06 |
| niqt | ok | 13:06 |
| alterego | I think the #MeeGo is being used to bring people together for the communities real evolution into the merproject and the projects that work with mer. | 13:07 |
| timoph | yep | 13:07 |
| timoph | that's my thinking as well | 13:07 |
| alterego | MeeGo is dead, but mer is the future of meego, based on what MeeGo was, but properly run by the community. | 13:07 |
| alterego | Complete transparency and openness. | 13:07 |
| alterego | People are already familiar with what MeeGo was meant to be, but unfortunately failed to become, Mer is the natural evolution of what we, the original MeeGo and Maemo communities thought MeeGo was going to be. | 13:08 |
| niqt | now I have to contribute more . This news made ​​me spend the desire to do the grunt work I'm doing | 13:11 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: something cycled everything all over again :/ | 13:11 |
| niqt | :) | 13:11 |
| iekku | niqt, :) | 13:12 |
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| Stskeeps | hello jepped :) | 13:12 |
| timoph | git pull --rebase upstream master | 13:14 |
| timoph | oops | 13:14 |
| timoph | :) | 13:14 |
| jepped | hey hey, just came to lurk around to see whats going on :) | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | jepped: welcome :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :) | 13:14 |
| alterego | Hmm, my HDD seems to be making wacky noises .. | 13:15 |
| alterego | "For the record, Jolla the company was established in fall of 2011. Soon we will celebrate 1st anniversary, maybe with some good news!" - @JollaMobile | 13:16 |
| alterego | That's cheeky, lol. | 13:16 |
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| timoph | :) | 13:16 |
| timoph | well what do expect from jukka := | 13:16 |
| iekku | :D | 13:17 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | hello mernewbie :) | 13:23 |
| mernewbie | hi there :) | 13:24 |
| alterego | lol, like the nick | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 13:24 |
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| mernewbie | got interested in the project after today news, but dont have much experience in linux world | 13:25 |
| mernewbie | so guess I'll have to do lot of reading to get a bit up to date | 13:25 |
| taziff | Now we know about the cooperation between Merproject and JollaMobile. When will we see the effects of this? | 13:26 |
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| ighea | "soon" | 13:26 |
| alterego | taziff: I guess you'll just have to follow @JollaMobile and wait and see like the rest of us ;) | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | taziff: you already are | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | taziff: many here are actually from JollaMobile and has been participating in this open source project | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | like any other vendor can | 13:27 |
| taziff | ok :) | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | so that also shows a good commitment to being a good open source citizen | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | more to come, though :) | 13:31 |
| alterego | I think any company born from an open source initiative like this will keep openness at its' heart. | 13:33 |
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| jjardon | j/ #cordia | 13:50 |
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| Stskeeps | hello dispeptic :) | 14:16 |
| rcg | Stskeeps: greeting everyone today? ;) | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: i -always- do that | 14:17 |
| dispeptic | 'allo 'allo | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | dispeptic: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: even did it in meego arm times | 14:17 |
| rcg | Stskeeps: right, i see.. then i just didn't notice :) | 14:18 |
| rcg | my usual ignorance xD | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: i'm waiting for somebody to give me a tshirt with it :P | 14:18 |
| dispeptic | Just interested. :) | 14:18 |
| timoph | yeah. he does that always. a good habbit imo | 14:18 |
| rcg | Stskeeps: noted :) | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | dispeptic: sure :) if you have any questions at any time, don't hestitate to ask, else feel free to hang out :) | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: i have to function as a combo community manager and architect, so | 14:19 |
| rcg | timoph: yeah, agreed :) | 14:19 |
| dispeptic | Alrighty, thanks. I'll stick around, that's for sure. :) | 14:19 |
| rcg | Stskeeps: and you are for sure doing a great job man :) | 14:19 |
| rcg | and now you know a little bit how my fiancee feels dealing with my common state of being out of it ;) | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:23 |
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| sampos | timoph:http://pastebin.com/MACLCpvC | 14:26 |
| timoph | sampos: cool. what if the connection works? | 14:27 |
| sampos | just prints that ok message, and returns 0 | 14:28 |
| timoph | ok. that should work | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | kyyberi: given there's many people from here who has been working on behalf of Jolla Mobile, i think that's a good sign for the future | 14:28 |
| sampos | timoph: will you do the UI side ? | 14:29 |
| timoph | sampos: yep | 14:29 |
| timoph | sampos: the stuff is in your clone? | 14:31 |
| timoph | or actually you could just as well make a merge req | 14:31 |
| sampos | timoph: will push to my clone now . Will do the merge request once i have help and such in place | 14:32 |
| timoph | ok | 14:32 |
| timoph | sampos: while at it could you add a readme to the sources. for compilation/packaging instructions | 14:35 |
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| rcg | alright, i think i'll give the archos 101 g9 turbo a try and will see if mer runs well on it | 14:36 |
| dm8tbr | rcg: there are quite many people that have those now in the #mer context | 14:37 |
| dm8tbr | also I wanted to update and clean up the boot menu for gen9, currently there seems to be only some crude hack... :/ | 14:38 |
| sampos | timoph: sure. Do we have something online that I could point to? | 14:38 |
| rcg | dm8tbr: great, nice to hear :) | 14:39 |
| rcg | and well, yeah, am kinda used to crude hacks | 14:39 |
| timoph | sampos: hmmh. not really | 14:40 |
| timoph | sampos: mer wiki perhaps | 14:41 |
| kyyberi | Stskeeps: yeah | 14:42 |
| timoph | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Quality/QA-tools | 14:42 |
| timoph | sampos: very much under construction but anyway ^ | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | kyyberi: but it's better to prove in practice you're open than to talk about it | 14:43 |
| alterego | As EU doesn't have software patents, people are free to clone swipe ui I would have thought. | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | we do however have design patents | 14:44 |
| alterego | Oh | 14:44 |
| kyyberi | Stskeeps: action is always better than talk | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | doing my best :) | 14:45 |
| kyyberi | :;) | 14:45 |
| kyyberi | hups :) | 14:45 |
| kyyberi | I know you are | 14:46 |
| Aard | alterego: right now there's not really a point in starting to speculate how our ui will look like, and at this point no-one from jolla will confirm (or the opposite) anything related to ui | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | we're however more than happy to discuss on mer level for example, participating as any other vendor.. | 14:47 |
| alterego | Do we know if Jolla are talking to Nokia about maybe getting some of the non-open parts from them? | 14:48 |
| alterego | I'm guess they're not. But it is a commonly asked question. | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | you'd have to ask jolla about that | 14:48 |
| * Stskeeps just participates as a jolla engineer in mer project | 14:48 | |
| alterego | Indeed | 14:49 |
| kyyberi | since Stskeeps (even as in engineer role ;)) is involved, I'm sure that important stuff for community such as openness and transparency are taken care of :) | 14:50 |
| Aard | alterego: you can use twitter, and I believe there were email contacts somewhere, to ask people designated to answer things, if you're interested in answers. if you like do just do some speculating then you should go on, though ;) | 14:50 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:50 |
| alterego | I speculate over things that aren't that important :) | 14:51 |
| alterego | If I think of an important question, I'll ask it on twitter ;) | 14:51 |
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| alterego | Jollollololollollolololla | 14:52 |
| alterego | gettit? | 14:52 |
| iekku | whaaat | 14:52 |
| * alterego chuckles. | 14:52 | |
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| alterego | How is it pronounced btw? Is it, yolla? | 14:53 |
| kyyberi | that got me thinking more like "Trololollololo" | 14:53 |
| kyyberi | :) | 14:53 |
| alterego | Or Jolla, like Jolly | 14:53 |
| chouchoune | alterego | As EU doesn't have software patents, people are free to clone swipe ui I would have thought. <-- beware upcoming unitary patent ;) | 14:53 |
| timoph | it's finnish so I guess in english to get the correct pronounciation one would write it yolla | 14:54 |
| alterego | I think large companies with lots of IP are scared of the smaller companies that are more agile. If people were free to use, share, copy and improve all paradigms of computing from things like a swipe UI, to all that crap Apple defends. | 14:55 |
| timoph | and if you're wondering what it means it dingy :) | 14:55 |
| alterego | Then the large companies would have a problem, kind of like Nokia had and have at not being able to innovate quick enough. | 14:55 |
| timoph | 's | 14:55 |
| timoph | very true | 14:55 |
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| alterego | But imagine how fast we could go forward if everyone worked together. | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | or many small to medium enterprises.. | 14:56 |
| alterego | Refining, refining and refining well working, tested methods of user-interaction and software design patterns. | 14:56 |
| timoph | yep | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | that's practically what happened in android though - small fish got together and pushed hard forward | 14:57 |
| jonwil | I think Android is seen as a threat by many "old-guard" companies in the computing space | 14:58 |
| alterego | I think Android is becoming what it was created to surplant though. | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | and well, now android became the old guard.. | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:58 |
| alterego | Yeah | 14:58 |
| iekku | alterego, 'zholla' | 14:58 |
| alterego | You would have thought Google would have had the foresight to have built Android like their Chrome OS experiment. | 14:59 |
| alterego | Instead of a tailored JVM .. | 14:59 |
| jonwil | Microsoft sees Android as a threat to their PC OS monopoly (i.e. Android tablets, people replacing PCs with post-PC devices like smartphones etc) | 14:59 |
| alterego | And if you want a virtual machine like interpreter, then why Java? | 14:59 |
| alterego | Why not Python, Ruby, JavaScript. | 15:00 |
| alterego | jonwil: indeed. | 15:00 |
| kyyberi | alterego: too light :) | 15:00 |
| jonwil | and also they see it as the reason that Windows Mobile/Windows Phone is failing | 15:00 |
| alterego | kyyberi: lol | 15:00 |
| alterego | jonwil: they were a little late to the party with those though weren't they ;) | 15:00 |
| jonwil | yeah :P | 15:01 |
| alterego | I thought after CE they'd pulled out of the mobile space altogether. Apple was showing everyone that the mobility market needed to get sexy. | 15:01 |
| jonwil | Apple sees Android as a threat because its the only thing keeping Apple from having dominance of the mobile market | 15:01 |
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| alterego | And Android thinks it's won :) | 15:01 |
| jonwil | And they dont like that other companies (Samsung in particular) can produce devices that dont look ugly | 15:02 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:02 |
| jonwil | I think close to the best-looking smartphone out there today is the Galaxy SII | 15:02 |
| Jope | the sgs3 isn't as nice looking | 15:03 |
| jonwil | I think the SII looks BETTER than the SIII | 15:03 |
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| alterego | I think the N950 is pretty damn sexy :P | 15:03 |
| Jope | alterego, it is. :-) | 15:03 |
| alterego | I think the N950, slightly thinner, less rounded back. | 15:03 |
| alterego | Would be schmexy | 15:03 |
| * Jope gently pats his n950 | 15:03 | |
| Jope | the best device there never was .. so far :-) | 15:04 |
| alterego | I turned mine on yesterday, it booted into a mer build I did which just showed an LCD look-a-like clock ticking away :D | 15:04 |
| alterego | Was an experiment with QML shaders I did. | 15:04 |
| Jope | :-) | 15:04 |
| dm8tbr | alterego: that qml code anywhere? I'm still looking to make a kitchen clock or somesuch out of one of the ExoPCs | 15:05 |
| kyyberi | dm8tbr: lol | 15:06 |
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| alterego | dm8tbr: ang on | 15:09 |
| jonwil | Give me a device with the looks of the Galaxy S2, the keyboard of the N900, the software openness of the GTA04, the hardware guts of the iPhone 5 (you just know Apple is going to come up with more powerful/better hardware than anything that 'Android has) and a touch screen that is a cross between the iPhone Retina Display and the N900 screen (take the good stylus support from the N900 and... | 15:09 |
| jonwil | ...the high pixel density from the Retina) | 15:09 |
| jonwil | That would be the ultimate phone for me | 15:09 |
| alterego | This is it working on desktop: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qtquick/lcd-segment-display-20120316-02.png | 15:09 |
| alterego | Think the QML code is on another machine :/ | 15:11 |
| dm8tbr | nice | 15:11 |
| alterego | I actually have it on the N950 with back background and cyan digits | 15:11 |
| dm8tbr | hmm outside turned into a classic finnish summer rain | 15:12 |
| kyyberi | yeah | 15:12 |
| Jope | the thunderstorm is coming.. | 15:12 |
| * dm8tbr doesn't hear thunder (yet) | 15:12 | |
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| iekku | dm8tbr, aren't you located at tre? | 15:14 |
| deztructor | charge your laptops and mobile devices :) power outage probability is high | 15:15 |
| dm8tbr | iekku: herwood, more exactly, yes | 15:15 |
| iekku | dm8tbr, it's near hki now, hopefully coming to us | 15:15 |
| dm8tbr | k | 15:16 |
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| alterego | dm8tbr: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qtquick/QML-LCD | 15:16 |
| dm8tbr | tnx | 15:17 |
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| deztructor | iekku: it is rainy in espoo now but thunder is far away | 15:17 |
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| iekku | ah | 15:19 |
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| kyyberi | I must admit that this Jolla news made me smile, or even a bit more :) hrhr | 15:22 |
| kyyberi | damn, I just wish I could code properly | 15:22 |
| dm8tbr | +1 | 15:23 |
| iekku | +1000 | 15:24 |
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| M4rtinK | +max_int | 15:24 |
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| mja | I can't help with platform development but I'll be sure to contribute apps if it's a qt story | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | it is | 15:26 |
| Aard | mja: yes, qt will be supported | 15:26 |
| mja | I was so damn disappointed after Meltemi axing but this certainly brought a smile on my face | 15:27 |
| alterego | Maybe Jolla will be the next billion ;) | 15:28 |
| kyyberi | which reminds me, I haven't paid for the Mer t-shirt. Where do I pour the money? :) | 15:30 |
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| lbt | power cut :/ | 15:36 |
| lbt | it rained .... not even a thunderstorm | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | and burning PSU the other day? | 15:36 |
| lbt | yeah | 15:36 |
| mja | is there #jolla or similar? | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | mja: #jollamobile but honestly, the convo is better on twitter | 15:36 |
| lbt | so whilst the power was off we went out to buy a replacement PSU :) | 15:36 |
| mja | Stskeeps: cheers | 15:36 |
| mja | they've got the excitement of today.. hopefully they'll keep it afloat in the morrow :) | 15:38 |
| lbt | mja of course they will... they have a mer to float on :) | 15:39 |
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| alterego | I swear talking to some people is like talking to a wall, with a slightly lower IQ :) | 15:49 |
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| lbt | sampos: I had a power cut here btw ... yell if you need me re tr-ui | 15:50 |
| M4rtinK | joining #jollamobile :) | 15:51 |
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| M4rtinK | 13 IRC channels is not enough :) | 15:52 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: gcc rebuilds again .. | 15:53 |
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| alterego | Suppose I might end the day by raising a few glasses of beer .. | 16:21 |
| lbt | there's hours of productive hacking left yet! | 16:22 |
| alterego | Who says I wont be hacking? :P | 16:23 |
| dm8tbr | developers under influence, where have I heard that before... | 16:24 |
| alterego | DUI? | 16:25 |
| dm8tbr | :> | 16:25 |
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| M4rtinK | lol | 16:28 |
| * alterego wonders off to watch the olympic flame go past. | 16:31 | |
| CosmoHill | alterego: I saw it this morning | 16:32 |
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| alterego | It's supposed to go down castle hill and through cambridge this evening, like, in half an hour. | 16:33 |
| alterego | And leave tomorrow morning at around 6am I believe. | 16:33 |
| CosmoHill | I was up at 6 and in town by like 6:45 to see it | 16:33 |
| alterego | :) | 16:33 |
| CosmoHill | earilest I've ever gotten up to go to uni | 16:34 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: updated the job history of the repository in that bug | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i was more curious about build log | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | that shows where it 'repeats' / differs | 16:38 |
| phaeron | glibc will rebuild again soon because elfutils is rebuilding now | 16:39 |
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| phaeron | bleh | 16:42 |
| phaeron | never mind | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: just wondering what repeats nss, so i need to see bottom of nss log, where it does build-compare | 16:45 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/4216239 | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | that's funny | 16:48 |
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| Stskeeps | i thought i excluded that in build-compare | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | .. it does | 16:49 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: this is 05.17.1 | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | ;; | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | /lib/libsoftokn3.chk|/lib/libfreebl3.chk) | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | echo "$file skipped, just signatures" | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | return 0 | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | ;; | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | does it grab build-compare from host and not distro? | 16:49 |
| phaeron | hmm | 16:50 |
| phaeron | how to be sure | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | oh fucking hell | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | i see the problem now | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | /usr/lib | 16:51 |
| * phaeron is glad to help :) | 16:52 | |
| * Stskeeps filed bug | 16:53 | |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: disable build of nss, perhaps? | 16:53 |
| phaeron | build-compare is not installed on either workers | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | it comes from mer | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | and there's an error in there | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | as we moved nss stuff to /usr/lib | 16:54 |
| phaeron | I've added the new log and extra info here : https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413 | 16:55 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: you also carry the patch to ignore the build host from build-compare , right _ | 17:01 |
| phaeron | s/_/? | 17:01 |
| lbt | I am really not having a good day.... | 17:01 |
| phaeron | more issues ? | 17:02 |
| lbt | replaced the PSU in Denise's machine.. powered on ... one of the chips on a drive glows bright white and smokes.... | 17:02 |
| Aard | lbt: got some meat? barbecue! | 17:03 |
| lbt | old 300Gb Maxtor circa 2005 | 17:03 |
| lbt | aard, last night a psu set on fire | 17:03 |
| phaeron | voltage mismatch or something ? | 17:03 |
| lbt | today we had a powercut | 17:03 |
| lbt | phaeron: I do wonder if the cable is badly assembled | 17:03 |
| phaeron | I did that once to an old CD drive , by plugging the power into the audio jack or something | 17:03 |
| phaeron | I heard the laser doing interesting things | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: $obsname does that | 17:05 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: yes but I remember we removed that from the comparison, relying only on the source md5sum | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ah, yeah | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: yes, we have that in build-compare | 17:07 |
| phaeron | *relief* | 17:07 |
| phaeron | >D | 17:07 |
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| lbt | balls ... crappy molex connector allowed me to plug it the wrong way around | 17:08 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: not sure ...http://pastie.org/4216335 | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: that looks like your $obsname isn't set up correctly | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | it is a necessity for proper rebuilds | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | in BSConfig.pm | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | our $obsname = "builder1.merproject.org"; # unique identifier for this Build Service instance | 17:10 |
| phaeron | hmm | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | tell me what it's set up to in your obs | 17:11 |
| phaeron | yes I know it is misconfigured here , but I thought we ignored it | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | not obsname | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | project name, yes | 17:11 |
| phaeron | ok .. then the default is wrong to use $hostname | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:13 |
| phaeron | wrong to be distributed that way | 17:14 |
| timoph | initial support for ssh connection checking done for tr-lite/ui | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | ! | 17:18 |
| timoph | still needs a bit polish but seems to work | 17:18 |
| lbt | :) | 17:19 |
| timoph | tr-lite will have new switch -T for the check | 17:19 |
| timoph | thanks sampos for that one | 17:19 |
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| jukkaeklund | evening | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | evening jukkaeklund | 17:50 |
| jukkaeklund | your feelings about Jolla now? | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: i believe i owe you at least a good cold beer or other beverage :) | 17:51 |
| jukkaeklund | haha | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | conversation has been good here today | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | and response is amazing | 17:51 |
| jukkaeklund | don't shoot the messenger.. beer!! | 17:51 |
| Jope | :-) | 17:51 |
| jukkaeklund | yeah, sorry for not being around | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | don't worry, you've been busy manning the twitter :) | 17:51 |
| jukkaeklund | multitasking between vacation with family, twitter and Jolla email | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going to have a cold one now :) | 17:52 |
| jukkaeklund | +1 | 17:52 |
| jukkaeklund | dont shoot, but I have white wine now | 17:53 |
| Jope | :-) | 17:53 |
| jukkaeklund | seriously, ping me for any feedback on Twitter comms | 17:53 |
| Jope | I have beer but since I was out boozing yesterday, I don't want to have any of it .. :-) | 17:53 |
| Jope | jukka, I think you did a great job | 17:54 |
| jukkaeklund | thanks | 17:54 |
| jukkaeklund | hope jolla gets a fulltime person at some point too | 17:54 |
| Jope | I've been a bit meh about twitter for a long time, but today it's power sort of became concrete | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: yeah | 17:54 |
| Jope | s/it's/its/ | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: "meego-based" is in trends, good job | 17:55 |
| jukkaeklund | I think its only tailored, but still.. | 17:55 |
| jukkaeklund | or does it trend in some location actually? | 17:55 |
| wmarone_ | I think it's if you have it set to "tailored trends" | 17:56 |
| wmarone_ | changing to worldwide or regional and it disappears for me | 17:57 |
| jukkaeklund | yep | 17:57 |
| jukkaeklund | I hope someone is active in TMO too.. | 17:57 |
| jukkaeklund | if needed, that is | 17:57 |
| wmarone_ | actually I'm curious now | 17:58 |
| wmarone_ | is it actually meego-based, or is it Mer based (but called meego)? | 17:58 |
| CosmoHill | alterego: kinda weird to think that something has ran from my town to your town | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone_: mer | 18:04 |
| jukkaeklund | called meego.. | 18:06 |
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| ighea | jukkaeklund: so sad, more beer. | 18:09 |
| jukkaeklund | ok, will do | 18:10 |
| vgrade | jukkaeklund, great news | 18:10 |
| * Stskeeps sips a cold beer | 18:11 | |
| * timoph enjoys a cold cola drink | 18:12 | |
| situ | Stskeeps: Could you explain the relation between Mer and Jolla ? | 18:12 |
| * virtuald empties a still cold club mate | 18:14 | |
| Stskeeps | situ, Jolla is a vendor utilizing Mer like any other, contributes people to the project. Mer is a open source project, vendor agnostic with a open governance, contributed to and used by different companies | 18:15 |
| virtuald | are jolla vc funded? | 18:16 |
| wmarone | ok, so it is mer derived :) | 18:16 |
| situ | I have always wondered how much of the code from Nokia's MeeGo project is open source. | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | you'd have to ask @jollamobile, virtuald | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | and the details on investors isn't out | 18:16 |
| virtuald | is that twitter? | 18:17 |
| virtuald | ok | 18:17 |
| situ | I am rooting for Jolla :) | 18:17 |
| Jope | yes | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | virtuald: yes | 18:17 |
| timoph | and from the mer project pow we shouldn't even care who are the inverstors and what vendors are working on behind closed doors | 18:17 |
| * virtuald is hoping jolla won't have to be rooted for the user to be in control :) | 18:17 | |
| timoph | just like any other upstream | 18:17 |
| situ | Could Nokia cause any troubles to Mer (like any licensing issues ) ? | 18:18 |
| timoph | how. it's completely based on open source components. | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | situ, we contain mostly same parts as most other linux | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | situ, mer is just a core, typical dangerous stuff is in ui or hw adaptation | 18:19 |
| situ | Will we be able to use Swipe UI ? | 18:20 |
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| situ | Ok.. may be time will tell :) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | we develop sommething very specific here | 18:21 |
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| ighea | I wish Jolla would also bring out some tegra3 based Mer core tablets :( | 18:21 |
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| virtuald | i hope they get some GTA04 people involved | 18:24 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: btw, did anyone ever do the powered by Mer sticker? | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: nop, feel free to design | 18:25 |
| timoph | hmmh | 18:25 |
| * timoph fires up gimp | 18:26 | |
| situ | Stskeeps: How do you guys plan to share effort with Tizen ? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | situ, in practice it's hard when tizen development is practically behind closed doors | 18:27 |
| timoph | tizen is not very open so hard to share any effort | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | situ, tizen ivi is closer to us though | 18:27 |
| situ | Ok.. Tizen is not based on Qt, so what framework are they using ? | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | tizen handset is efl | 18:29 |
| jjardon | Ok, so https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375 seems easy easy enough to start to get involved. Where is the code to send a patch against? | 18:29 |
| virtuald | would you use mer on a netbook? | 18:30 |
| situ | Stskeeps: So.. what are the devices on which you test Mer ? | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | jjardon: wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail | 18:30 |
| lbt | mmm needs a link to SDK in there | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | get wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK first | 18:31 |
| jjardon | Stskeeps: thanks! | 18:32 |
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| lbt | added | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | hello blaroche :) | 18:34 |
| blaroche | Stskeeps: hi there :) | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | blaroche: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer? | 18:37 |
| blaroche | lurking, interest. i had very high hopes for meego and nokia. now have very high hopes for plasma active + mer, and just catch wind of jolla. very hopefull for that now as well | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | sure :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out | 18:39 |
| blaroche | i do Qt dev on embedded linux on an Arm board for my day job. so i've been casually looking for things to get get involed related to Qt/KDE/Plasma/Mer. we'll see. the one year old boy kills the free time :) | 18:41 |
| blaroche | Stskeeps: thank you | 18:41 |
| situ | Stskeeps: on what devices you test Mer ? | 18:41 |
| lbt | situ: testing is intended to be distributed | 18:42 |
| lbt | because Mer has no HW adapation itself | 18:42 |
| lbt | we solicit feedback from our vendors | 18:42 |
| situ | Ok.. | 18:43 |
| lbt | in the meantime it tends to be N950/N900 and ExoPC | 18:43 |
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| jjardon | Stskeeps: Would be ok to add gstreamer-vaapi to the repos? | 18:50 |
| jjardon | and libva | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | jjardon: will catch you latrr | 18:58 |
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| [ol] | Hi! I have a problem registering with Mer Gerrit. | 19:03 |
| [ol] | HTTP ERROR: 500 | 19:03 |
| [ol] | Problem accessing /OpenID. Reason: | 19:03 |
| [ol] | Server Error | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | [ol]: i'll help tracing it tomorrow if you have time | 19:04 |
| [ol] | This happening after I allow verification on me OpenID server. | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | openid is flaky in gerrit | 19:04 |
| [ol] | OK, no problem. I'm not in hurry. | 19:04 |
| [ol] | BTW, does Gerrit synchronise usernames with Bugzilla? | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | not yet sadly | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | my fault | 19:07 |
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| jjardon | Stskeeps: sure | 19:11 |
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| smoku | hi | 19:15 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: any hint how to add to a package a dependency on libGL? | 19:17 |
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| smoku | oh. I see that these prackages provide libGL and libGL.so.1 :) | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | today's been a good day | 20:04 |
| timoph | yeah | 20:04 |
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| phaeron | hear hear | 20:04 |
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| timoph | although the cat disagrees :) | 20:04 |
| timoph | (has an eye infection and I need to give it eye drops 4 times a day) | 20:05 |
| timoph | always a "fun" task | 20:06 |
| smoku | it's much easier with a dog ;-) | 20:07 |
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| smoku | like giving eye drops to a dog, not using a dog to give eye drops to a cat... | 20:08 |
| timoph | :) | 20:10 |
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| * smoku CAN HAS WM ON MER | 20:10 | |
| smoku | :D | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: mm? | 20:10 |
| smoku | I just started mutter with success | 20:10 |
| smoku | I can finally move windows around :F | 20:11 |
| smoku | :D | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:11 |
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| phaeron | did it crash ? | 20:16 |
| jjardon | so seems I need an account in meego.com to contribute to mer, is this correct? | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | jjardon: not directly, but it helps | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | jjardon: because of community OBS | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | we're working to get our own independent one | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | and a better way for people to build without a OBS | 20:18 |
| phaeron | jjardon: lbt can provide one too | 20:18 |
| jjardon | yeah, I was looking to update some packages, so I need OBS acces for that, rigth? | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | theoretically just git and gerrit setup needed, but practically you need an OBS to build-test things before submission | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | gives a good hint at it | 20:19 |
| * Stskeeps files bug 416 - Mer contribution should not require a OBS in order to do so | 20:22 | |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: why doesn't Mer's tar support xz ? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: would it surprise you that the answer is GPLv3? | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:27 |
| smoku | it wouldn't | 20:27 |
| jjardon | Stskeeps: mmm, I'm getting "Permission denied (publickey)" but I already put my public ssh in gerrit | 20:27 |
| smoku | does Mer stick to no GPLv3 requirement? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | jjardon: set your username too | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: yes, for now - that's sadly how vendors work these days | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: you're welcome to provide your own tar however | 20:28 |
| jjardon | Stskeeps: good catch ;) | 20:28 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: i'll live without ;-) | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: nothing a good pipe can't solve though | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | .. and i don't mean hash pipe | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:29 |
| phaeron | bsdtar _ | 20:29 |
| phaeron | stupid keyboard maps | 20:30 |
| phaeron | bsdtar ? | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | agood evening stig_ | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | er, scrap the 'a' :) | 20:49 |
| stig_ | good evening | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | stig_: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 20:50 |
| stig_ | Stskeeps, decided to come and see what kind of stuff happens here | 20:50 |
| stig_ | #mer got nice publicity with jollamobile news | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | sure :) if you have any questions, don't hestitate to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :) | 20:51 |
| stig_ | thank you | 20:52 |
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| stig_ | try to keep up with mobile development overall | 20:53 |
| stig_ | though I'm a web developer | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - i think the html5 story should be interesting in the coming years | 20:53 |
| lpotter | what hardware does mer currently run on? | 20:53 |
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| Stskeeps | lpotter: all sorts - long story short, Mer doesn't contain hardware adaptations, it's just a core, but hardware adaptations for example for raspberry pi, generic atom devices, n900/n950/n9, archos g9, etc etc exist | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter: where would you like to put it on? | 20:55 |
| lpotter | everything it can :) | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 20:55 |
| lpotter | heh | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | just don't say a freerunner gta02, we don't yet have a armv4 port ;) | 20:56 |
| lpotter | as long as there's sensors :) | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | we have qt5 alpha1 packaged atm | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | and waiting patiently for beta1 | 20:57 |
| lpotter | you know the qtmoko guys are still working on qtopia | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i do | 20:57 |
| lpotter | still waiting for my raspberry_pi | 20:57 |
| lpotter | the guy I share a office room with at work, attached an accelerometer to one | 20:58 |
| lpotter | at any rate, glad mer/meego is in the news | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | it even seems to be trending, seems like it hit a good nerve | 20:59 |
| lpotter | probably partly because so many qt/meego/ guys layed off | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:59 |
| lpotter | we need some good news | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | it's also a hope that many of the interesting new startups will take advantage of stuff like Mer - it isn't just a jolla story, we very intentionally run this as a vendor agnostic project | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | life's too short for just smartphones :) | 21:01 |
| lpotter | indeed | 21:01 |
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| jjardon | Stskeeps: So you know if there are problems with the registration of other emails accounts in gerrit? I dont get the confirmation in my inbox | 21:07 |
| Sleepy_Coder | http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/06/how-to-get-one-of-dells-linux-based-developer-laptops-and-become-a-sputnik-beta-cosmonaut/ Hmm. </passing-it-along> | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | jjardon: there shouldn't be a problem, i received one just fine two days ago | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | jjardon: if you don't receive it by morning, please poke me | 21:13 |
| jjardon | Stskeeps: will do | 21:14 |
| * jjardon already have some patches in the queue ;) | 21:14 | |
| Stskeeps | cool :) | 21:15 |
| M4rtinK | <offtopic>the QtMoko guys are now working on somehow rebasing on Qt 4.7, which should bring among others QML support (spotted on OpenMoko mailing list) </offtopic> | 21:17 |
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| rzr | M4rtinK, yes i read that week ago | 21:21 |
| M4rtinK | I still do have a (chool owned) GTA 02 with navigation board | 21:21 |
| M4rtinK | and do wonder how usable would QML be on it :) | 21:21 |
| M4rtinK | *school | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | did you ever see the 200mhz qml videos? | 21:21 |
| M4rtinK | nope | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zVPOEmOVnQ | 21:22 |
| M4rtinK | but tried a flickable on HP Touchpad in chroot - not good :) | 21:23 |
| M4rtinK | not sure where the slowdown comes in this case though :) | 21:23 |
| jjardon | Stskeeps: If I have a patch for a specific bug should I change the status of it? | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | jjardon: yes, resolved/fixed and refer to review URL | 21:24 |
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| Stskeeps | and refer to it in .changes file (MER#fooo) | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | hello vmlemon_1 :) | 21:25 |
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| jjardon | Stskeeps: ok, can I put in assigned state until git push work? | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 21:25 |
| vmlemon_1 | Hi Stskeeps | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, nice for a 200MH CPU :) was it GPU accelerated os SW only ? | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good way to show you're working on it | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: think sw, but i don't know | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | vmlemon_1: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | still very usable for normal apps | 21:26 |
| vmlemon_1 | Not much - I was just curious about whether or not anyone's mentioned "Jolla" (which seems to be vapourware, right now), here. :) | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | vmlemon_1: it might be accused of being vapourware, but their contributions to Mer aren't | 21:27 |
| vmlemon_1 | Cool | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | so, at least they're being a good open source citizen :) | 21:27 |
| vmlemon_1 | :) | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | if you have any questions regarding Mer, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out | 21:28 |
| vmlemon_1 | Sure - the project itself seemed vaguely intriguing when I looked at it ages ago, anyway. | 21:28 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: we operate in a bit funny way, but that's because of lessons learnt :) | 21:28 |
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| Stskeeps | and not do same mistakes as everybody else, or ourselves in the past | 21:30 |
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| vmlemon_1 | Makes sense. I'm somewhat familiar with the whole Maemo/MobLin/MeeGo/Tizen fiasco, from the perspective of someone who was involved with Symbian, and currently develops desktop Qt applications. | 21:30 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: i was in meego ARM myself | 21:30 |
| vmlemon_1 | The sibling rivalry (for want of a better term) was interesting to watch; and it's a shame that neither OSS initiative survived at Nokia, in the end. | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, the good thing about meego was that a bunch of stuff needed to run a mobile platform was OSS'ed | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | which brings us to today :) | 21:32 |
| vmlemon_1 | Yeah - I suppose that them releasing the ISI/Wireless Modem-related documentation for use with Symbian also helped indirectly. | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | that certainly helped for ofono | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | though i haven't seen that in public recently, hmm | 21:34 |
| vmlemon_1 | (It at least showed me that they were willing to contribute their "crown jewels", and be a good Open Source community participant). | 21:34 |
| vmlemon_1 | OFono's still around, I think. | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | think wirelessmodemapi.com or whatever it was shut down | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, oFono is well and alive | 21:34 |
| vmlemon_1 | Indeed. I have some of that older documentation somewhere. | 21:34 |
| vmlemon_1 | The team responsible were transferred to Renesas, if I remember correctly - and now, it seems to be part of an opaque corporate blob. | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:35 |
| vmlemon_1 | The Scalado acquisition was unusual, too. | 21:35 |
| vmlemon_1 | (It felt like "We're going down; but we're taking one of our key suppliers with us, too", to me) | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | "hi, we're laying off a bunch of people, but we acquired these!" | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | that was really bizarre | 21:36 |
| vmlemon_1 | Same deal with SmarterPhone to a lesser extent, too. | 21:36 |
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| Stskeeps | well, what done is done | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | at least this time around i wasn't directly hurt by the news | 21:37 |
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| Stskeeps | anyway, i think i'll head off to sleep, been a long but fantastic day | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | ttyl | 21:37 |
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| vmlemon_1 | Nokia were a giant shame. They had some great technology; the (enviable?) position of being Europe's last major handset manufacturer; and crap management. | 21:37 |
| Jope | it always pained me how nokia invented "everything", yet productized so little of it | 21:38 |
| lpotter | symbian smartphone was little? | 21:39 |
| vmlemon_1 | I was similarly hopeful that the Japanese OEMs would do some interesting things, globally - but that never happened. | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | symbian isn't reallya smartphone OS | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | and that's not a criticism btw | 21:39 |
| vmlemon_1 | Seriously? By what measure? | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | well, it doesn't have a 1 day battery life, it doesn't have loads of security issues, it doesn't crash all the time | 21:40 |
| vmlemon_1 | Hah | 21:40 |
| lpotter | i can do more on my n8 than an iPhone.. *cough* bluetooth file transfer* | 21:40 |
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| ali1234 | right. but that's not what a smartphone is supposed to do | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | smartphones are for playing angry birds | 21:41 |
| ali1234 | ok, that's probably on symbian | 21:41 |
| ali1234 | but the point stands | 21:41 |
| lpotter | so.. smartphones arent suppose to do common use case scenarios ? | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | i dunno about "supposed" but the fact is... they don't | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | smart phones are "supposed" to be phones with extra stuff | 21:42 |
| lpotter | n8 is a smartphone and it does that. | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | n8 is symbian, therefore i don't class it as a smartphone | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | but i agree it's a great device :) | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | better than smartphones IMO | 21:43 |
| lpotter | how is it not a smartphone. it does extra stuff. | 21:43 |
| Jope | the whole discussion about smartphones is a bit moot imo :-D | 21:43 |
| lpotter | heh true | 21:43 |
| Jope | the first iphone was a smartphone according to some | 21:43 |
| Jope | and it didn't even have half the features a nokia s40 "dumbphone" had at the time | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | my stance is a reactio to iphone and android users who claim symbian is not a smartphone | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | and my response to them: my symbian does everything your iphone does, and it has better battery life and doesn't crash. so if that is the difference between my phone and a smartphone, i don't want a smartphone | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | also you have to remember, when iphone came out, many people weren' sure if it was a smartphone or not | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | not if basically defines the class | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | *now | 21:45 |
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| vmlemon_1 | (I'm genuinely curious, given that it meets the technical criteria of "Exposes native APIs, allows "real" multitasking/deep integration, has PIM apps with sync functionality, and has a Web browser", amongst other things) | 21:46 |
| vmlemon_1 | Maybe Rovio should release an Angry Birds Player device? | 21:47 |
| Jope | ahh, I still remember the excitement of the 7650 around a decade ago | 21:47 |
| Jope | a pocketable device you could run native code on | 21:47 |
| Jope | with multitasking | 21:47 |
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| Jope | it changed my world.. :-) | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | pre apple smartphone: a phone that maybe runs some apps if you are lucky | 21:48 |
| Jope | hehe | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | post apple smartphone: an app device that maybe can make a phone call if you're lucky | 21:48 |
| lpotter | ahhh. to symbian IS a smartphone | 21:49 |
| Jope | a post apple smartphone: a phone that didn't get installable apps when it was launched | 21:49 |
| Jope | :----D | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | when it launched, yes. but things have changed a lot since then | 21:49 |
| Jope | true | 21:49 |
| Jope | it's been slowly getting the features we took for granted | 21:49 |
| Aard | hm, I think all my phones supported application installation (at least it was claimed somewhere), I just never could figure out where to get applications, and how to get things onto the device :) | 21:49 |
| Jope | :-) | 21:50 |
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| Jope | damn.. those 7650 specs were rather .. meager | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | htc really pioneered what we call a smartphone today | 21:51 |
| Jope | 4MB of RAM, 104MHz | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | i remember when i saw quake running on one, that was the turning point | 21:51 |
| Aard | (apart from me not figuring out how to put stuff on it, there were only about 200kb for stuff available anyway) | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | where the apps became the main focus | 21:51 |
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| Jope | I remember back in 1997 when I telneted with a friend's nokia 9000 communicator and resumed my irc session | 21:51 |
| Jope | that was the turning point for me | 21:51 |
| Jope | naturally I was just a kid and couldn't afford one of my own | 21:51 |
| Jope | but the future was in my hands | 21:52 |
| Jope | a pocketable computer with wireless connectivity.. amazing. | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | the future is "emergency calls only" | 21:52 |
| lpotter | yes. new definition: smartphone can irc via ssh | 21:52 |
| Jope | any smartphone worth its salt :-D | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | i'll stick with my symbian thank you | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | and a meego phone: if it can do mosh too | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:53 |
| Jope | :-) | 21:53 |
| vmlemon_1 | Didn't most of the early S60 handsets have about 32-128MB of RAM? | 21:53 |
| lpotter | my n8 is just a camera since I got the n9 | 21:53 |
| Jope | vmlemon_1, well the first S60V1 devices only had around 4MB :-) | 21:53 |
| vmlemon_1 | (And anaemic ~200MHz+ OMAP application processors) | 21:53 |
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| Sicelo | yeah. at that time N-GAge had the most at 10MB | 21:53 |
| Sicelo | :P | 21:53 |
| Jope | yeh.. hehe | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | hello psior | 21:54 |
| Sicelo | 104MHz. /me still has a working one | 21:54 |
| Jope | I sold my n-gage | 21:54 |
| Jope | should have held onto it I guess | 21:54 |
| Jope | never used it tho | 21:54 |
| psior | Cheers Stskeeps | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | psior: welcome :) so what brings you to #mer ? | 21:55 |
| psior | Hey. Saw the news on Twitter earlier today, and got interested into the whole thing. I myself come from some years with Symbian, so I'm a different kind of victim of #feb11 ;-) | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | cool :) | 21:56 |
| psior | Hope you aren't a bot BTW ;-) | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not a bot, i'm just very friendly :P | 21:57 |
| lpotter | yes, he is | 21:57 |
| psior | haha | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you have any questions, or would like to know more about how to contribute to Mer, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :) | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'm the project architect around here, and a bit of combo that and community manager, so, it's important to make people feel welcome :) | 21:57 |
| psior | Thanks, will certainly do. Need to recycle my Symbian C++ experience into something else, and Qt certainly sounds like a viable option. | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | it indeed is - Qt Quick really makes matters easy | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | not for c++ devs it doesn't :P | 21:59 |
| psior | Absolutely, and I appreciate that. After some years of working on closed platforms mostly, it's nice to get back to OSS feeling welcomed :-) | 21:59 |
| blaroche | seems the next few months will be very exciting for mer and related projects :) can't wait.. | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | and if you're interested in Jolla, well, they use Mer as platform, so contributions to Mer will help you in the end too | 22:00 |
| ali1234 | has anyone worked on this smartq t20? | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | and everybody wins as we have a vendor agnostic mobile core for SMEs to use :) | 22:01 |
| psior | Well, around 2009 I was about to get into Qt. At that time Nokia was into the Qt story trying to get Symbian devs into MeeGo. But unfortunately in my case it wasn't much worth at that time given that my whole code base was Symbian native C++, so I chose to wait till MeeGo devices would appear. Unfortunately that didn't happen, at least not the way we expected.. | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | this place is irc.freenode.net , channel #mer if you'd like to get on here with a proper IRC client, btw | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | (anybody, thati s) | 22:02 |
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| ali1234 | it's omap, powervr, and has an official ubuntu firmware | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: really, smartq went into omap? | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | seems like an ideal target for mer. i think you did something with older smartq devices? | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | yes, apparently | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes, they were the most open hw company i had found back in the old days | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | gave us kernel, bootloader, was happ | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | y | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: yes, it looks like an ideal mer target | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | apparently the 3d support and Qt is borked on the ubuntu image they are shipping | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | but that shouldn't be a problem for you guys, i imagine you;re all experts on fixing powervr by now :) | 22:04 |
| dm8tbr | SGX is a harsh mistress | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: it's one of those things that i prefer to get paid to do.. | 22:05 |
| ali1234 | hehe | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: but anyway, i am brewing on wayland/qt compositor support for sgx (again) | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | so that might be useful on there too | 22:06 |
| ali1234 | i'm still waitng for wayland to be a "real" desktop | 22:07 |
| ali1234 | it's all still demos afaik | 22:07 |
| ali1234 | but it's getting better | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | they're getting closer, but my interest is in mobile anyway | 22:07 |
| ali1234 | they have window decorations now! | 22:07 |
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| jjardon | Stskeeps:no worries, mail arrived :) | 22:16 |
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| smoku | Problem: openssl-1.0.1b-1.1.i586 requires libcrypto.so.10, but this requirement cannot be provided | 23:04 |
| smoku | with Mer:Core:Next - is it expected? | 23:04 |
| phaeron | unlikely that people are awake :D | 23:09 |
| alterego | think there were problems with glibc earlier that may be the cause of that. | 23:12 |
| alterego | I'm so, very, tired. | 23:13 |
| * alterego goes hunting for food. | 23:13 | |
| smoku | I've created MER#418 then | 23:17 |
| smoku | Email sent to: no one | 23:17 |
| smoku | cool | 23:17 |
| phaeron | I think it goes to the triage queue | 23:18 |
| phaeron | we handle that every week | 23:18 |
| smoku | so that would be enough work for me today | 23:19 |
| smoku | I cannot continue without :/ | 23:19 |
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| phaeron | smoku: does it work with latest vs. next ? | 23:23 |
| smoku | phaeron: no idea and I'm not in the mood of reinstalling my laptop to latest | 23:24 |
| smoku | IIRC I'm on next because latest is broken and I couldn't build a working i586 image off | 23:25 |
| phaeron | hmm interesting I am using latest in a vm | 23:26 |
| smoku | full i586 working system, with kernel, systemd etc. booting to X? | 23:27 |
| phaeron | yes | 23:27 |
| smoku | could you share your ks? | 23:28 |
| phaeron | it's basically the nemo-vm ks modified a bit | 23:29 |
| smoku | maybe I did a mistake of basing on sdk ks | 23:29 |
| phaeron | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20120517.1.NEMO.2012-05-21.1/images/nemo-handset-i586-vm/ | 23:29 |
| phaeron | could be | 23:29 |
| smoku | oh. so you could have packages pulled in from CE etc. instead of pure Mer | 23:30 |
| alterego | probably, I'd use nemo ks' I do and it all works ;) | 23:30 |
| alterego | indeed, perfect for hardware adaptations ;) | 23:30 |
| smoku | I tool only x86 HA from Nemo | 23:30 |
| smoku | took | 23:30 |
| phaeron | smoku: nemo bases on mer + HA | 23:30 |
| smoku | yes. But I do not want to depend on Nemo | 23:31 |
| phaeron | so just remove the stuff you don't need from the ks | 23:31 |
| smoku | so I ended up with unbuildable ks | 23:32 |
| alterego | you're not dependong on nemo, you're just building on core using their packages. | 23:32 |
| smoku | well... I call having nemo repositories in zypp/repos.d depending on Nemo ;P | 23:33 |
| smoku | maybe I will try again | 23:33 |
| smoku | I have nothing better to do anyway, since openssl stops me from working further on packaging cordia stuff | 23:34 |
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| smoku | phaeron: so far so good :) mic is fetching packages | 23:51 |
| smoku | BTW, having pure mutter with no plugin, my apps launcher is... /dev/tty2 with logged-in shell and export DISPLAY=:0 ;-D | 23:52 |
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| phaeron | launch an xterm that way and then launch apps using the xterm | 23:53 |
| smoku | phaeron: i already have several xterms launched. there's no difference in launching apps with bash running on xterm and on tty. but Ctr-Alt-F2 is much quicker than alt-tabbing to "free" xterm ;-) | 23:55 |
| phaeron | ok :) | 23:55 |
| smoku | anyway... i586 Mer is more responsive than my 64bit Fedora :-D | 23:56 |
| * smoku can't wait for x86_64 build of Mer | 23:56 | |
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