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| tiagoprn | hello everyone :) | 02:33 |
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| tiagoprn | question: I tried the latest nemo mobile image for m n900 a month ago, but it didn't boot on my microsd class 10... | 02:34 |
| tiagoprn | I saw several complains about this on google, could you inform me if that is fixed or planned to be? :) | 02:34 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 04:53 |
| w00t | mrrrh. | 04:54 |
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| E-P | Morning | 05:27 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: Thanks for hosting the QA meeting! | 05:27 |
| E-P | I was out of the Internet range the begining of this week | 05:28 |
| Stskeeps | morn E-P, was just good to keep a sync :) | 05:28 |
| Stskeeps | i spaced out a bit though, it's like 32 C here.. | 05:28 |
| Stskeeps | so hard to concentrate | 05:28 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: was 22c here last night | 05:29 |
| * w00t nearly died | 05:29 | |
| E-P | ouh | 05:29 |
| E-P | you need an air-conditioner | 05:30 |
| w00t | move to norway, they said.. it's nice and cold, they said.. | 05:33 |
| * w00t shakes a fist | 05:33 | |
| E-P | :D | 05:33 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: i heard whispers you're moving to germany, where in germany, out of curiousity? | 05:34 |
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| E-P | Stskeeps: yes I am, about middle of Germany, in Göttingen | 05:35 |
| E-P | the plan is to move in middle/end of August | 05:36 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 05:36 |
| Stskeeps | oh wow, that is really middle of germany | 05:36 |
| Stskeeps | i did wonder when you said middle 'where is the middle of germany' ;) | 05:37 |
| E-P | heh | 05:37 |
| E-P | it is pretty nice, short distance to many big cities and good train connections | 05:37 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 05:37 |
| Stskeeps | how about to airport? | 05:37 |
| E-P | not so near, 200-300km to main airports | 05:38 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 05:39 |
| E-P | ryanair is flying from Tampere to Bremen, and Bremen is pretty near already (200km which is near to finns) | 05:39 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 05:39 |
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| Stskeeps | and frankfurt is 1 1/2 hours away by train -- if i was moving to germany, that'd be a pretty good spot :P | 05:47 |
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| E-P | :) | 05:48 |
| Stskeeps | we're working hard to get the copyproject stuff working.. after that, having factual releases we can do automatic QA on should be a breeze | 05:50 |
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| saunabad | E-P: got a new job there or something? | 05:53 |
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| E-P | Stskeeps: ok, I will make task list what is needed in the QA area | 05:58 |
| E-P | saunabad: my partner got a study/phd place from there, I am still looking for a job | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: yeah, some kind of wishlist from release process would be good | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | iamer has done quite good job in the VM area, too | 05:59 |
| E-P | great to hear | 05:59 |
| saunabad | E-P: well it has to beat jyväskylä during the winter. good luck the with job hunting :) | 06:02 |
| E-P | saunabad: thanks :) | 06:03 |
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| timoph | ah. home | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | welcome back :) | 06:36 |
| timoph | :) | 06:36 |
| timoph | and niina is still away until tomorrow evening. hacking time | 06:37 |
| timoph | btw, do we have some Qt or c(++) lib to interact with connman? | 06:38 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, libconnman-qt | 06:38 |
| timoph | thanks. I'll look into that | 06:39 |
| timoph | I'm thinking of adding internet radio functionality to my alarm clock | 06:39 |
| dm8tbr | timoph: http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/archos_gen9.html - as also tweeted seconds ago | 06:40 |
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| timoph | cool | 06:40 |
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| * dm8tbr is waiting anxiously for the (partly GPL covered) sources of a boot menu variation someone did on XDA for gen9 | 06:41 | |
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| dm8tbr | would like to ensure it will do kexec and some other nice things, and clockwork mod just so that all the XDA people STFU | 06:42 |
| timoph | :) | 06:43 |
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| _av500_ | gm | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | morn _av500_ | 07:07 |
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| rcg | is there currently a freely available tablet on which mer can be run? | 07:39 |
| rcg | well publicly, not freely :) | 07:39 |
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| Stskeeps | rcg: archos g9 | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | exopc | 07:40 |
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| Sage_ | lbt, E-P: the ruby stuff for testing https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5166 | 07:43 |
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| rcg | Stskeeps: thx | 07:47 |
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| phaeron | why would root be able to get a network response while a user gets timeout ? | 08:36 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps and rcg your requests are not being handled right now , looking into it | 08:37 |
| dm8tbr | phaeron: is that an android kernel by chance? | 08:37 |
| phaeron | no it's a server :D | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | does it run android.. | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:37 |
| dm8tbr | :D | 08:37 |
| phaeron | no .. | 08:38 |
| * dm8tbr was thinking of ANDROID_PARANOID_NETWORKING or what it's called, jftr | 08:38 | |
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| phaeron | resolves to different ips for user and root .. | 08:42 |
| phaeron | wtf | 08:42 |
| phaeron | ah proxy env variable | 08:44 |
| phaeron | rcg: fixed | 08:52 |
| Macer | i got my caps for a motherboard today | 08:53 |
| Macer | found a company that sells it as a kit | 08:53 |
| rcg | phaeron: thx :) | 08:54 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I just reserved a room for the week of LinuxCon at the Conference hotel and am looking for a roommate of either sex: double beds. | 09:01 |
| * Stskeeps won't be attending, though the talks look interesting | 09:03 | |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'll actually be at Gstreamer and Linux Plumbers, but they're at the same time. | 09:04 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I roomed with 3 other people for LibrePlanet, so I'm flexible. | 09:04 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Rooms are hyper-expensive, but the conference is way out on this island with little close to it. | 09:05 |
| lbt | morning all | 09:11 |
| lbt | TVR passed it's MoT \o/ | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | what? | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:11 |
| lbt | annual health check | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | i don't understand any of those acronyms | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:13 |
| lbt | TVR = my car manufacturer | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 09:14 |
| lbt | MoT == Ministry of Transport ... shorthand for MoT Annual Roadworthiness Test or some such - everyone calls it "an MoT" | 09:14 |
| phako | someone actually owning a TVR? | 09:17 |
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| lbt | phako: had it since 2000 ... love it :) | 09:17 |
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| lbt | it scares me :D | 09:17 |
| phako | That's what I heard about TVRs | 09:18 |
| phako | ;) | 09:18 |
| phako | which one? | 09:18 |
| lbt | Tuscan | 09:18 |
| lbt | Lovely connection to the road and insane power | 09:18 |
| phako | classic or modern? | 09:18 |
| lbt | especially on single track roads... | 09:18 |
| lbt | modern | 09:19 |
| phako | nice | 09:19 |
| lbt | yeah - it's getting on a bit now but ... yummy | 09:19 |
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| lbt | rcg: I have some minimal Mer ks files for ExoPC if you need them | 09:24 |
| lbt | phaeron: ping | 09:25 |
| rcg | lbt: right, might come back to you if i convince myself to buy another tablet for putting mer on :) | 09:26 |
| lbt | working on collating our HW adaptations and making step 1 easy | 09:27 |
| rcg | great :) | 09:27 |
| phaeron | lbt: pong ? | 09:27 |
| lbt | just wondering about Mer:Tools stuff | 09:28 |
| lbt | in particular .... Ruby | 09:28 |
| lbt | I don't really want it swamped with Ruby deps so I was thinking to have a Mer:Shared:Ruby or something | 09:29 |
| lbt | thoughts? | 09:29 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5166 | 09:29 |
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| lbt | IMHO we should either do that or we should stop packaging ruby libs and move to bundles | 09:30 |
| lbt | to be clear ... I don't particularly like it; don't want to do it and it's not "fun" .... OTOH if we don't sort it we will have a mess :) | 09:30 |
| lbt | alterego: ping ... maybe you have some thoughts on ruby? | 09:31 |
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| phaeron | well opensuse admitted that having stuff separated to different projects is not a good idea. I think this will generally work for build depends only | 09:32 |
| phaeron | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=Project:MINT:BuildDepends:Testing and https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=Project:MINT:Testing | 09:33 |
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| lbt | hmm | 09:36 |
| lbt | so why doesn't Project:MINT:Testing build against Project:MINT:BuildDepends:Testing | 09:38 |
| lbt | instead of copying them into PMT ? | 09:38 |
| lbt | I can see the point of copying to P:MINT as the 'place to snapshot from' | 09:39 |
| lbt | Sage_: ping | 09:42 |
| lbt | Sage_: we need some information on how we're handling Ruby stuff n Mer:Tools | 09:43 |
| Sage_ | lbt: pong | 09:44 |
| lbt | ruby libraries are a squriming mess of worms :) | 09:44 |
| lbt | they change all the time and usually need a mass re-import | 09:44 |
| lbt | so we need to have easy to follow docs on how to update ruby libs | 09:44 |
| lbt | and we need to be clear on what ruby version we support (1,9?) | 09:45 |
| Sage_ | well I did that stuff on top of 1.9.3 | 09:45 |
| lbt | good start | 09:45 |
| Sage_ | I have no idea about ruby in general but I just took something that was relatively new :) | 09:45 |
| lbt | Can you please put a basic wiki page up on how you packaged them | 09:45 |
| lbt | did you use Fedora-style ? or opensuse? | 09:46 |
| lbt | MINT uses opensuse | 09:46 |
| lbt | for rpms | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | well MINT goes on opensuse, doesn't it | 09:46 |
| Sage_ | No idea what you mean with that. | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | this'd go on device | 09:46 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: agreed - but they both provide gem2rpm | 09:46 |
| Sage_ | There is actually two different kinds of packages atm. One that has only .gem files and installs those and one where there are also sources that are compiled. | 09:46 |
| Sage_ | .gem style is lot of easier. | 09:47 |
| lbt | Sage_: yeah, so suse/MINT uses gem2rpm and doesn't just install gems iirc | 09:47 |
| Sage_ | didn't use gem2rpm | 09:47 |
| lbt | I really am not hung up about what we use... as long as it's written down so someone else can do it the same way with a fresh gem | 09:48 |
| Sage_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=rubygem-log4r&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting | 09:48 |
| lbt | I have heard bad things about simply installing gems | 09:48 |
| lbt | I could be out-of-date but I think that's still "wrong" | 09:48 |
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| Sage_ | Well, installing from sources seemed to be a lot harder and after seeing other use it I didn't think it was too wrong. | 09:49 |
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| lbt | so :: gem install --local --install-dir %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/gems/ --force %{SOURCE0} | 09:49 |
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| Sage_ | yes | 09:50 |
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| lbt | Sage_: would you mind writing up a brief policy/howto on packaging the 2 types of ruby gems | 09:52 |
| Sage_ | however some gems requires a bit more than just that | 09:53 |
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| Sage_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=rubygem-testability-driver.spec&package=rubygem-testability-driver&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting&rev=26196b2b86a29714f918eb25f1c1872b | 09:53 |
| Sage_ | but that was mainly the tdriver packages that needed special things | 09:55 |
| lbt | yep - normally you'd expect to apply a patch to the source pre-build | 09:55 |
| Sage_ | ? | 09:55 |
| Sage_ | I haven't packaged gems before so feedback is welcome :) | 09:55 |
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| lbt | sed -i 's/ruby1.8/ruby/g' %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/gems/gems/%{gemname}-%{version}/bin/start_app_perf | 09:56 |
| lbt | running sed post install to apply a fix isn't best practice and won't be sustainable with bigger changes | 09:56 |
| lbt | that's all I meant | 09:56 |
| phaeron | lbt: p:m:t builds against p:m:builddepends:t | 09:58 |
| lbt | phaeron: aren't all p:m:bd:t packages in p:m:t ? | 09:59 |
| phaeron | lbt: no | 09:59 |
| phaeron | maybe a couple are duplicated | 09:59 |
| phaeron | as I haven't weeded out all the proper installation deps yet | 09:59 |
| phaeron | but this way I have much clearer idea what gets installed on device, and upgrading is a tad easier | 10:00 |
| phaeron | s/device/server | 10:00 |
| lbt | phaeron: gotcha - yes | 10:00 |
| lbt | Sage_: so add that to the policy too :) | 10:01 |
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| lbt | Sage_: you OK with that? | 10:04 |
| * Stskeeps could really need a osc deployto | 10:05 | |
| lbt | spec? | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | "take binaries, deploy to this device" | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | install on device, etc | 10:06 |
| phaeron | ah we discussed that , didn't we | 10:06 |
| lbt | by binaries... | 10:07 |
| lbt | you mean .so or .rpm ? | 10:07 |
| phaeron | rpm | 10:07 |
| lbt | phew | 10:07 |
| * lbt has that in the quickbuild list | 10:07 | |
| phaeron | * setup a zypper repo on the host side exported over x connection for device to install rpms from | 10:07 |
| lbt | which was going well until I redeployed OBS VMs and realised that was where quickbuild lived... | 10:08 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: fe is seizing up a fair bit, could i ask you to restart the vm? | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | it won't let me in on ssh | 10:12 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ISTR some of our packages being based on Fedora and some on Suse - Tools in particular tend to be Suse-derived. This feels like a problem | 10:12 |
| lbt | k | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | tools = what go in sdk and on device for during-development testing/development/performance/etc, IMHO | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | that may not be your definition though.. | 10:13 |
| lbt | yes, we agree on that | 10:13 |
| lbt | MINT = server (maybe non-Mer desktop) | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok then | 10:14 |
| lbt | I'm mainly thinking about all the macros/paths policies | 10:14 |
| lbt | eg osc is python based and derived from suse packaging | 10:15 |
| lbt | as are various other deps there | 10:15 |
| lbt | I've always been in favour of stealing from another distro | 10:16 |
| lbt | but I'd rather steal from a single one unless there's no choice | 10:16 |
| lbt | ie "if you're going to start from scratch, use suse packaging" | 10:16 |
| Sage_ | lbt: add what? :) | 10:17 |
| * lbt parses... | 10:17 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: for mer packages we usually alignish with fedora | 10:18 |
| lbt | oh, add that = p:m:t builds against p:m:builddepends:t ..... but this way I have much clearer idea what gets installed on device, and upgrading is a tad easier | 10:18 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yep, I know... but for tools we don't | 10:19 |
| lbt | Sage_: so that's how phaeron is keeping some sanity about the insane ruby dependency trees | 10:19 |
| lbt | sec, door | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | i still wonder what manager approved of ruby being used for on-device testing. | 10:20 |
| Sage_ | lbt: Still not really understanding all :) | 10:20 |
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| lbt | Sage_: check with phaeron | 10:27 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5166 | 10:27 |
| lbt | Another reason for the reject is ... what's all that stuff for? | 10:27 |
| lbt | :)) | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | tdriver | 10:27 |
| lbt | tk/tcl and ruby | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | also, we can't drop tcl/tk? | 10:27 |
| lbt | I admit I thought ... good, we get gitk on SDK | 10:28 |
| lbt | because that wants tk/tcl | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: what phost is 'fe' on? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:28 |
| lbt | oh yeah... sry | 10:28 |
| lbt | "vms" command on zathras | 10:28 |
| phaeron | that request doesn't reference any bugs or docs | 10:29 |
| lbt | phaeron: yeah | 10:29 |
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| lbt | being fair though ... we haven't written up a policy for Tools | 10:30 |
| lbt | but Sage_ knows better :) | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | let's not make life too difficult, this is a QA tool that's useful for testing qt applications.. | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:30 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: you volunteering to write up the docs to make life easy? | 10:31 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I'm not able to get a virsh console on fe | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: told you.. | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | just kill it or find out why the vm stalls | 10:31 |
| lbt | was hoping to diagnose | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/TDriver | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | copy-paste | 10:31 |
| lbt | Sage_: ^^ | 10:32 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: why me? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | you asked about docs | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:32 |
| lbt | seriously you guys... | 10:32 |
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| * Sage_ is quite busy atm. sry | 10:32 | |
| lbt | yeah.... I know... lbt and phaeron will clean up the mess.... | 10:32 |
| phaeron | I don't like how we are double standards | 10:34 |
| phaeron | Sage would reject the request in a second | 10:34 |
| lbt | phaeron: +1 | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | then set up a policy | 10:35 |
| lbt | that's what I asked for | 10:35 |
| lbt | not an overall one | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | well, you're in charge of tools area, so you set it | 10:35 |
| phaeron | Sage_: play by your own rules | 10:35 |
| lbt | OK .. no ruby until there's a ruby policy :) | 10:35 |
| lbt | patches for ruby policy gratefully accepted | 10:36 |
| phaeron | lbt: copy the nemo boss process and let the auto ci handle it | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: is there any (good) alternatives to TDriver? | 10:40 |
| lbt | phaeron: makes sense | 10:40 |
| lbt | I've not written up the basic shape of Tools yet - I don't fully feel it's settled | 10:41 |
| lbt | interactions with MINT, and Core | 10:41 |
| lbt | the "Tools is like the UX for the SDK prouct built on Core" idea | 10:41 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: I only know the Qt's own UI test library, but I think that is not so flexible than TDriver | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | o | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:42 |
| lbt | I'm not unhappy with Ruby in SDK if we can automate dealing with the gems | 10:43 |
| lbt | they are *massively* volatile | 10:43 |
| lbt | but the ruby community is huge on testing and test harness stuff | 10:44 |
| lbt | so Stskeeps I think we'll find enough useful test stuff around ruby to warrant the pain | 10:44 |
| lbt | I just want us to be consistent from day 1 | 10:44 |
| lbt | if we decide "gem install" is fine then...OK" | 10:45 |
| * Sage_ is ok with consistency. | 10:45 | |
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| lbt | Sage_: so I just want enough docs (the bare minimum) to enable consistency between other people | 10:46 |
| Sage_ | ok | 10:46 |
| Sage_ | I'm not so sure if we should force "gem install" only method. | 10:46 |
| lbt | yep - happy to steal an upstream distro policy ... just pick one | 10:48 |
| lbt | suse's is used in MINT | 10:48 |
| phaeron | and we made up our own for debian | 10:48 |
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| lbt | well, we used debian next-gen packaging | 10:50 |
| lbt | 'our' packagin is now official debian ruby | 10:50 |
| * lbt found himself on debian ruby maintainer team somehow | 10:50 | |
| lbt | noisy | 10:51 |
| phaeron | yeah that was good upstreaming | 10:52 |
| phaeron | lbt: kudos | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | REMINDER: Advisory board meeting in 10 minutes in #mer-meeting | 10:52 |
| * lbt -> coffee | 10:52 | |
| Sage_ | wiki/Packaging/Ruby and define it there? | 10:54 |
| Sage_ | we have currently wiki/Packaging_guidelines that was copied from meego.com | 10:54 |
| lbt | Sage_: please (and thankyou) | 10:54 |
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| Sage_ | ah, now I recall one thing about that gem install in rpm | 10:58 |
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| Sage_ | some gems use something during the installation that isn't allowed during the %install process, thus I needed to move some of the packages to the more hackish style and do gem install in %build and then copy files in %install | 11:00 |
| lbt | yeah ... suse's gem2rpm sorts all that out really well | 11:02 |
| lbt | I honestly can't recall how it works now | 11:02 |
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| lbt | iekku: ping | 11:02 |
| iekku | sorry | 11:06 |
| alterego | Yay, Ruby :) | 11:06 |
| lbt | alterego: you are now the official Mer ruby maintainer | 11:07 |
| lbt | get to it | 11:07 |
| iekku | :) | 11:07 |
| alterego | lol | 11:07 |
| alterego | I don't mind | 11:07 |
| alterego | I was the Ruby maintainer for Maemo on the 770, N8x0's :) | 11:07 |
| alterego | Do you want 1.8 or 1.9 series? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | there was some kind of source package problem back then though? :P | 11:08 |
| alterego | Probably still have my Hildon bindings for Ruby some where .. | 11:09 |
| lbt | alterego: we would seriously appreciate some help | 11:09 |
| lbt | and we'd take as much advice as you can give | 11:09 |
| alterego | lbt: I'd love to help, and I do have experience building ruby. | 11:09 |
| lbt | eg use 1.9.x | 11:09 |
| lbt | OK, see the backlog? | 11:09 |
| alterego | Yeah | 11:09 |
| alterego | You want to use it to maintain a consistent testing framework | 11:09 |
| alterego | Sooner or later you're going to be running obs in the mer SDK :P | 11:10 |
| alterego | Self replicating operating system :P | 11:12 |
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| dm8tbr | alterego: and then it becomes sentient? | 11:15 |
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| lbt | alterego: it's crossed my mind | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | brings an entire new meaning to 'smartphone' | 11:18 |
| alterego | Heh | 11:23 |
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| Sage_ | hehe, phone software that can build itself :) | 11:30 |
| Sage_ | on a phone :) | 11:30 |
| alterego | rain rain rain | 11:31 |
| lbt | alterego: so.... | 11:34 |
| alterego | So ... | 11:34 |
| lbt | what I think we need is a 'best practice' to import gems to Mer:Tools | 11:34 |
| alterego | And ``gem install'' isn't enough? | 11:35 |
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| lbt | put a distro hat on :) | 11:36 |
| alterego | Well, debian and ubuntu tend to package a lot of the more popular gems. | 11:36 |
| lbt | yes | 11:36 |
| alterego | We also have these things in the ruby world called bundles. | 11:36 |
| lbt | yep - I've seriously thought about that | 11:37 |
| alterego | Maybe it'd be worth making a mer-sdk-bundle. | 11:37 |
| alterego | So I guess the problems are, we don't want to install the gems from an outside repo during installation? | 11:37 |
| lbt | so first off, why do suse, fedora, debian, ubuntu ... *not* do that :) | 11:37 |
| lbt | OTOH... what problems do we have by not doing it | 11:38 |
| alterego | Well, they don't have the same requirements. Their customers are the people that want Ruby, we want Ruby for the distro | 11:38 |
| lbt | I don't think it would be a Mer-SDK-bundle FWIW | 11:38 |
| lbt | I think it would be a Mer-TDriver-bundle | 11:38 |
| alterego | Obviously, to do it right, we'd have ruby available for the distro and for end users. | 11:38 |
| lbt | and certain packages would depend on certain bundles | 11:39 |
| alterego | I think package the gems we need for our uses, and package ruby and gem for end users | 11:39 |
| lbt | but then you'd need to package multiple bundles | 11:39 |
| lbt | nod | 11:39 |
| lbt | that's pretty much where we got to | 11:39 |
| alterego | You can't need _that_ many gems. | 11:39 |
| lbt | no, we don't | 11:39 |
| alterego | So it shouldn't be too hard for me or you to maintain those packages. | 11:40 |
| alterego | And we have power over the versions we package. | 11:40 |
| lbt | correct | 11:40 |
| lbt | nb rpm version constraints are not as good as ruby's | 11:40 |
| lbt | in dependency land | 11:40 |
| alterego | That shouldn't be a problem for our requirements though. | 11:41 |
| Sage_ | hmmp... | 11:41 |
| lbt | it bit me once but that's probably not a big deal | 11:41 |
| Sage_ | bundle means that put many gems to one package? | 11:41 |
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| lbt | Sage_: yes | 11:41 |
| lbt | I don't think we're doing that | 11:41 |
| alterego | We're only talking about 3 or 4 ruby packages I'm imagining? | 11:42 |
| lbt | alterego: this is ruby ... we only need 3/4 ... they need 30/40 behind them | 11:42 |
| alterego | And ubuntu/debian/etc seem to package their own versions of "gems" successfully. | 11:42 |
| Sage_ | I would prefer not to do that after all we are aiming to be distro with mimimal footprint | 11:42 |
| lbt | Sage_: Tools is slightly different, if you want ruby you get ... chubby | 11:43 |
| alterego | Sage_: sure, though we're talking about packages specific for the testing process. But I agree, having them seperate means people can still take advantage of them for other purposes. | 11:43 |
| Sage_ | Also downloading gems during installations is not something we consider because that would mean need for connections and not so mobile repos. | 11:43 |
| alterego | lbt: do you have a list of deps you need for your testing? | 11:43 |
| Sage_ | also longer installations | 11:43 |
| alterego | Sage_: indeed, | 11:43 |
| Sage_ | alterego: I've done some initial packaging for stuff needed for some testing https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting | 11:44 |
| lbt | Sage_: all downloads come in .tgz or .gem or similar from our repos | 11:44 |
| lbt | so lets forget bundling for now (though I have a suspicion it could be a sane option for the future) | 11:45 |
| lbt | alterego: I'd suggest looking at suse's gem2rpm | 11:45 |
| Sage_ | Also we should be able to remove gem without leaving a trace to the system, thus I would like to have rpm packages not gems as installing gem can always bring other gem with and that would then be leftover if the original gem is uninstalled, right? | 11:45 |
| lbt | correct | 11:45 |
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| alterego | Yeah | 11:46 |
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| Sage_ | so IMO rpm is the only proper way to go. | 11:46 |
| lbt | gem2rpm converts gem-deps to rpm-deps | 11:46 |
| alterego | I think we're all agreed on that :) | 11:46 |
| lbt | but needs a sane naming policy | 11:46 |
| Sage_ | rubygem-* | 11:46 |
| lbt | (unlike the twerps in debian) | 11:46 |
| alterego | libx-ruby ;) | 11:46 |
| alterego | I think for these purposes, it may be useful to forget about gems ;) | 11:47 |
| lbt | alterego: ideally we use whatever suse or fedora's gem2rpm spits out | 11:47 |
| alterego | Just think of them as ruby extensions. | 11:47 |
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| lbt | well, kinda | 11:47 |
| lbt | gems are the upstream tarballs | 11:47 |
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| lbt | so I think they should be out Source0 | 11:48 |
| lbt | but again ... see gem2rpm | 11:48 |
| lbt | bbias ... need to move car | 11:48 |
| alterego | gems use the upstream tarballs, gem2rpm probably works slightly differently though. | 11:48 |
| alterego | But sounds need. | 11:48 |
| alterego | ~neat... | 11:48 |
| Sage_ | Would be nice if the gem packaging would be simple as this: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=rubygem-isolate.spec&package=rubygem-isolate&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting&rev=a8425268fd73e77142bdcd45fdf61861 | 11:49 |
| zeq | In the fennec code there's support for rotation using libqtm orientation API. We don't use this for Maemo5, since we do rotation via H-D. Does mer do proper rotation, or does it requirie the manual pixmap rotaion Harmattan uses? I need to make sure I don't break the Fennec build on mer/meego. | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | zeq: do your own rotation, no xrandr | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | there's various good performance reasons for this | 11:51 |
| zeq | Stskeeps: so mer/meego needs to match the MAEMO6 behaviour? | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 11:51 |
| zeq | does MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO=6 get defined for the mer/meego case? | 11:51 |
| zeq | or >6 even | 11:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't know, i got a restraining order against fennec after having to fix it for meego 1.1 | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | we can't be within 500m of eachother | 11:54 |
| alterego | lol | 11:54 |
| zeq | LOL | 11:54 |
| w00t | hahaha | 11:55 |
| zeq | It's looking like we're going to get some nice performance out of it on Fremantle. We don't have a lot of options with modern browsers. romaxa says he has managed to get ~60fps with hw accel. | 11:55 |
| zeq | Right now, even without hw accel we're getting very close to microb performance for rendering, and blowing it away on js. | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, on mer you should use hw accel | 11:57 |
| zeq | I'm just trying to make sure I don't break it on mer, while fixing it for Fremantle ;) | 11:58 |
| lbt | Sage_: alterego https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=rubygem-ruote-amqp.spec&package=ruby-ruote-amqp&project=Project%3AMINT%3ATesting&rev=6d02161707afb2c7cb1cdf44122db9a0 | 11:58 |
| zeq | We're eventually planning on a native Qt port, I don't know how useful that will be for mer? | 11:59 |
| zeq | At the moment we're concentrating on getting XUL/Qt working properly | 11:59 |
| zeq | You know if there's a nice device I could buy to run mer with a decent hw adaptation I'd get it... is there such a thing? | 12:00 |
| alterego | zeq: very useful for us I think, especially nemo | 12:00 |
| alterego | zeq: N900, N950 :) | 12:00 |
| alterego | Even N9 | 12:01 |
| zeq | well, I have an N900, but that's dedicated to Fremantle dev :) | 12:01 |
| zeq | N9 has full hw adaptation? | 12:01 |
| zeq | posibility... | 12:01 |
| zeq | anything non-nokia? | 12:01 |
| alterego | I wouldn't say full, but good for what you want. | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | zeq, exopc is good too.. and n900 can dualboot | 12:02 |
| alterego | As far as non-nokia, you could get raspberry pi, beagle board, ... | 12:03 |
| zeq | alterego: more interested in a mobile device than a dev board | 12:03 |
| zeq | smartphone, mini-tablet, or tablet perhaps | 12:04 |
| zeq | As I understand, the many Android devices out there are sorely lacking on OS drivers. | 12:05 |
| zeq | s/OS/OSS/ | 12:05 |
| lbt | archos ? | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | archos g9 | 12:07 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations | 12:07 |
| Sage_ | lbt: well that looks quite ok actually. | 12:08 |
| lbt | %gem_install applies patches, the spec is autogenerated too iirc | 12:09 |
| lbt | I thought it build-depended on gem2rpm ... but that could be debian build-dep on gem2deb | 12:10 |
| Sage_ | so, what should we use is the question? | 12:17 |
| Sage_ | where does %gem_install macro come btw? | 12:17 |
| lbt | I think the strange BuildRequires: rubygems_with_buildroot_patch | 12:22 |
| lbt | and %rubygems_requires | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: any insight into fe or can i kill it? | 12:24 |
| lbt | kill it - I tried a shutdown and then got into the AB | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | killed and started again | 12:25 |
| lbt | netconsole is not only for hacking .... this kind of thing would be useful too | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok, thunderstorm starting here.. | 12:27 |
| lbt | ok Sage_ so you've still got the whole ruby action thing for now? and alterego is helping/advising/testing? And I'll review with phaeron? | 12:31 |
| * lbt goes to do some prototyping docs/work | 12:31 | |
| Sage_ | lbt: Well, I did the submit already. And it was decided that it needs changes, but I'm not so sure what kind of changes atm. :) | 12:33 |
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| alterego | Soulds good to me. | 12:46 |
| alterego | ~Sounds good to me .. | 12:46 |
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| alterego | Right, now to hook in lipstick and refactor meego compositor to qml compositor. | 12:52 |
| alterego | Well, finish my refactoring | 12:52 |
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| alterego | Hrm, I don't remember finishing this .. | 13:01 |
| lbt | alterego: it's like science: it's not finished until someone's reproduced it | 13:02 |
| alterego | Actually, I do vaguely remember finishing this and testing mcompositor with my qmldecorator | 13:04 |
| alterego | In Xephyr | 13:04 |
| lbt | show me the docs or it didn't happen :) | 13:04 |
| alterego | In theory should be able to use this, and not have any meegotouch dependencies at all. | 13:05 |
| alterego | I cut it down to only use mlite. Though I think I had to add a couple of functions to mlite. | 13:05 |
| alterego | s/functions/enums | 13:06 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: so did someone end up with a conclusion what is our ruby policy. I'm a bit confused atm. :) | 13:13 |
| Sage_ | or is it still discussed? | 13:13 |
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| lbt | just really pleased it didn't toast the server | 15:19 |
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