Thursday, 2012-07-05

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Kiranosdo you have update on this?07:02
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KiranosStskeeps: ^ do you know about any progress on cubox from Sage?07:17
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Stskeepsmoo Kiranos07:26
Kiranoswas thinking about the cubox question above07:27
Kiranosit looks like a great piece of hw and wondering if you have any further plan to support it?07:27
Stskeepsi think it's also about what things they provide from they side07:28
Stskeepsgenerally if no kernel is available and binary blobs, it isn't anything that's useful to buy07:28
Kiranosthey havent heard from sage so they are waiting07:28
Kiranoskernel is available07:28
Kiranosalso dont know if you have the hardware available but they are willing to send one out to your guys at mer07:30
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Sage_Kiranos: well haven't worked on that sry.07:44
Sage_Kiranos: didn't get answers then and well forgot the whole thing. Also don't have the HW as I didn't order one at the time because I didn't have the answers :P07:46
Kiranosok they are willing to donate the hw to the MER project07:46
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* Sage_ ponders where the test directory structure is defined now07:56
Aardin your mind? :)07:56
Sage_probably one of the places :)07:58
Macermy caps kit should be here soon :-)07:58
Maceri had a broken board in a shuttle k45 with bulging caps07:58
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Stskeepsmorn slaine :)08:35
Sage_E-P: ping08:35
slaineMorning folks08:35
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Sage_lbt, Stskeeps: <- Mer_Core_* "This repository is broken build not possible."08:44
Sage_for three of those08:44
StskeepsSage_: i didn't do anything :P08:45
Stskeepsmorn lbt08:45
StskeepsCOBS and is immensely slow too08:45
lbtI was looking at QML this morning08:46
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Sage_Are tests executed as a user or as root?08:51
Stskeepsyou can choose08:51
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Stskeepsit should be user, mostly08:52
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Sage_ :P08:53
Sage_testrunner-lite deps on sysinfo-tool?08:53
Stskeepsi dont think so, but i think we can change it if it does08:54
Stskeepsand use boardname instead08:54
Sage_that step there is from libcontentaction where it touches /home/user/08:54
Stskeeps evil08:54
Sage_yes, thus me wondering how that kind of stuff should be done actually08:54
Sage_yes, hope that works08:55
phaeronor xdg-dirs08:56
Stskeepslbt: fakeobs dead?08:56
lbtnot looked, sorting a bz issue08:56
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Stskeepslbt: bz issue, btw?09:16
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lbtStskeeps: email change needed to be done by admin09:32
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iekkulbt, funny thing that i should be admin but can't change my own address :)09:43
lbtdid you try the Administration=>edit users?09:43
lbtie treat yourself as a user09:44
lbtI'm always a little cautious because of the LDAP-write hacking I did09:45
lbtStskeeps: Sage_ btw... I have a *lot* of admin alerts for ... looking to see if something happened09:46
lbtlike 300+09:46
Stskeepslbt: leap second? :P09:46
Stskeepslbt: fakeobs was restarted09:46
lbtno, I sorted that.... not that anyone noticed :/09:46
alteregoawww :p09:52
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dm8tbrlbt: well there was this load of notifications about changes and updates on the other channel09:54
lbtyeah, just been looking - MDS is run manually and there was reboot for security testing09:55
lbtStskeeps: I guess you restarted it09:55
Stskeepssomebody did, i didn't09:55
lbtphaeron_n9: ?09:55
Stskeeps(iamer or xfade)09:55
lbtwell, it looks like Sage_'s problem is sorted too09:57
phaeron_n9not me09:59
X-Fadelbt: I did.09:59
lbtX-Fade: ah, good - not magic then :)10:00
lbtclose though10:00
X-FadeHehe, no, not at all :)10:00
Stskeepsnow now, don't underestimate x-fade's capabilities10:00
X-FadeAll it took was a su - stskeeps :D10:00
X-FadeSwitched to Stskeeps and I had all these magical powers.10:01
alteregoDid it give you a hat too?10:01
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Stskeepshello OlliD :)10:03
lbtyou have to be careful though ... Stskeepses aren't waterproof10:03
X-FadeI'm told that sunlight is also tricky..10:04
X-FadeLol, very friendly :D10:05
Stskeepsthe camera doesn't do the weather justice10:05
X-FadeIt was miserable?10:06
Stskeepsat least i was10:06
lbtfor some reason it was my fault it was raining ....
X-FadeI presume you brought the bad weather from the UK?10:07
lbtI think I said "nah, we won't need coats" ....10:07
X-Fadefamous last words..10:08
lbtbut yeah, clearly the N9 camera has the new invisible-rain technology10:08
Sage_Stskeeps: about the eat device. I enable it and then when I login from terminal I should also have the dbus there?10:09
lbtThe last one needs a caption though .... probably related to Mer's version numbering system or git or ...10:09
lbtSage_: what are you doing with eat?10:10
StskeepsSage_: when you use the .id_eat_dsa to ssh to device, it'll give you the environment10:10
Stskeepsprovided you rebooted first, after install10:10
lbtI ask because after yesterday it's obvious it needs a little tlc in the docs dept10:10
lbtyeah... like that10:10
Sage_Stskeeps: hmmp...10:11
lbtyeah, I said that too10:11
lbtI said what you said, not what you typed btw10:11
* Sage_ ponders if our tests can actually depend on that or not.10:11
lbtyes, it should be installed in the .ks and mic prep stage10:12
Sage_Stskeeps: [nemo@localhost ~]$ . ~/.eat-stored-env10:12
Sage_that works as well ;)10:12
lbtit really should be noted that that is a uxlaunch/desktop processing dependency too10:13
lbtie eat won't work w/o uxlaunch10:13
lbtif I understand it correctly10:13
Stskeepslbt: well, X startup session, rather10:13
Stskeepseat will work without, just.. not environment10:13
* lbt looks at shiva plug10:13
lbthmmm and if DISPLAY is the only thing... then... OK10:14
Stskeepseat should work without, env stuff is just a helper10:14
lbteven so, it should be in the docs10:14
Stskeepsi think you're in a good place to make a outline to be filled in :P10:15
Stskeeps(by others)10:15
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alteregolbt: I'd say it's finished now :)11:05
alteregoIt's a nice implementation that uses named arguments.11:05
alteregoNow, do I make a semantic based annotation framework for RPC calls to allow software to auto-detect how it should interact with other components ..11:08
alteregoMaybe another day.11:08
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lbtE-P, iekku: QA soon?11:48
Sage_Stskeeps, iekku, E-P: progress :)11:50
iekkulbt, seems to me that E-P isn't around11:51
iekkulbt, he didn't sent a invitation, and didn't ask me to chair11:51
iekkulbt, do we have short update anyway?11:51
Sage_ and the results file.11:51
lbtI'd like to catch up11:51
lbtSage_ has been playing with eat11:51
lbtwe may have news from phaeron1 + Stskeeps on copyproj11:52
lbtand I'd like to review our collective blockers/plans11:52
lbtso I'm +1 for a meeting :)11:52
Stskeepsi'm in for a meeting, but i need a shower first.11:52
lbtcareful you'll get wet :)11:53
lbtdefer by 20m?11:53
phaeron1I can't make it11:54
Stskeepsok, i'll talk about copyprj then11:55
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Sage_lbt: Mer:Tools:* Debian and Opensuse targets should be removed?12:15
lbtnot sure about M:T:Testing12:15
Sage_Just wondering if our packaging needs to support those (I hope not)12:16
lbtsome stuff needs to work on non-SDK12:16
Sage_isn't that MINT stuff?12:16
StskeepsQA meeting in #mer-meeting in 4 minutes12:16
lbtyeah - but do we really have the resource to manage the same code in both MINT and Tools ?12:16
lbtso I'd like to have a shared :Testing for anything that goes to both12:17
lbtthen when an update happens to the src we don't end up out of sync12:17
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lbtbut that idea hasn't been clarified yet12:17
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lbtright now everyone hacks on the tools and pushes it to random places using a variety of processes12:18
lbtfirst bit is really good, second, not so much12:18
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Stskeepsbigbluehat: without the dash14:35
bigbluehatStskeeps: hilarious :)14:35
bigbluehatnot sure why you responded over here to something I was doing in #webos-ports14:36
bigbluehatadding Growl notification to the list it was like having the sky open up :)14:36
Stskeepsbigbluehat: i'd seem like a grammar nazi14:36
Stskeepsbigbluehat: did you see our wayland work btw?14:36
bigbluehatno! how's that going?14:37
bigbluehatStskeeps: domain names supersede grammar in importance :)14:37
Stskeeps ,
Stskeepsbigbluehat: i'm trying not to spam webos-ports too much myself, there was one guy who rubbed people the wrong way..14:38
bigbluehatalso, my RasPi is en route (ish)14:38
bigbluehatso hope to get some Mer time in Real Soon Now™14:38
Stskeeps(lag on that video is known014:38
bigbluehatStskeeps: still very cool14:40
Stskeepsour idea is to make a nice handy little stack for known targets such as exopc, lenovo s10-3t, virtualbox, n950/n9 (or n900) and raspberry pi14:40
Stskeepsas they can all do fast wayland14:40
Stskeepsi've been hacking a bit on touchpad as well, but no results yet14:41
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* w00t needs to get back to QML this weekend14:41
w00teither that or try fix my VM14:41
w00tI'm not sure which :P14:41
* w00t shakes a fist at Stskeeps again :P14:42
bigbluehatStskeeps: are you tracking the CE work?14:42
bigbluehatlots of it actually14:42
Stskeepsbigbluehat: yeah, i've used it to figure out how to wayland-ize my touchpad14:43
bigbluehatah :)14:43
Stskeepscould be, erm, fun, to see how a modern non-android linux stack could function on qualcomm hw..14:43
bigbluehatstill amazed by all this stuff :) so glad it's happening14:43
bigbluehathow so?14:43
Stskeepswell, i have mer on there, combine with qt5, wayland..14:44
Stskeeps60fps composition..14:44
Stskeepsfully accelerated graphics..14:44
Stskeepsand it could be quite an interesting platform14:45
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Stskeepswe'll see :P14:49
* bigbluehat stays amazed...looks under desk for more time...finds dusty hardware...14:50
Stskeepsyou don't have something like a webos pdk installed or something that can build software for touchpad, do you?14:52
Stskeepsi need latrace ported14:52
bigbluehatStskeeps: I believe I've got the PDK installed14:52
bigbluehatlatrace ported to Mer?14:53
Stskeepsno, webos14:53
Stskeepsshouldn't need more than glibc14:53
bigbluehatah, gotcha14:53
Stskeepsi have a strange bug where i can render to my own buffers, but .. not to screen14:54
bigbluehathave you asked around in #webos-ports yet?14:54
bigbluehatI'm brand new to the PDK side of things...focusing more on the SDK & learning webOS app dev mostly14:54
bigbluehatwith an eye toward tweaking the UI in CE14:54
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Stskeepshey anidel :)15:10
anidelhi there Carsten15:11
anidelmet your lovely chap yesterday in the office15:11
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Stskeepsi have a lot of lovely chaps ;)15:11
anidelright :) David Greaves15:12
Stskeepsahh! you're in orange labs aren't you15:12
Stskeepsi knew i knew more people from there15:12
anidelI am indeed15:12
Stskeepsdavid's lbt here :)15:12
lbtoh hey anidel ... welcome to #mer :)15:13
anidelI know :)15:13
anideloh there you are...sorry haven't used ircII for a loooong time and forgot how to request a list of users :)15:13
Stskeepspeople still use ircII? :P15:13
Stskeepssure you don't mean irssi :)15:13
anidelI used to use it a lot :D and I still like it :p15:13
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anidelI was indeed looking for my old scripts :p I think it was Phoenix...15:14
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anidelyeah, Phoenix 2.01, released 20th, Nov 1994 :) that's the correct time :)15:15
* anidel tells his mind NOT TO compute 2012-199415:15
lbtanidel: so all my talking yesterday didn't frighten people off *too* much then15:17
anidelon the contrary...your talking did not. You did :p15:17
lbtI've been looking at minimal setup things a little bit today15:19
anidelenough for a quick tutorial on a wiki page?15:19
lbtstep 1 is platform SDK15:20
lbtwhat device do you want to target?15:20
lbtN900 I think you said15:21
anidelI've got a N900, N950 (albeit waiting for a replacement from Nokia) and a Raspberry PI got a N900 as well as a N950 and a Pi15:21
anidelI thought ircII had deleted the message I was typing...oh well.15:22
lbtN900 then - I don't have a Pi yet15:22
lbtand if your 950 is deadish ... no point yet15:22
anidelit's working just fine...and Nokia's replacing it :D15:23
anidel(for the 2nd time)15:23
lbt? ... ok :)15:23
anidelbut ok, the N900 is also already running Mer (Nemo)15:23
lbtand it's just SD swapping too15:24
anidelit works, the N950, just that the screen shows two black lines and I've been told it's only going to get worse from there, so asked them and they'll replace it15:24
alteregoanidel: was that from dropping it or was it that VCR thing?15:27
anidelso, there's still someone following the FHS suggestions... :p15:27
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anidelalterego: the first one was replaced after I dropped it, this one is for the VCR (assuming you're referring to the LCD lines)15:27
Sage_lbt: feature request for mer sdk. automatic ramdisk for osc build-root :)15:27
lbtSage_: hmm15:28
lbtyou can do that yourself quite easily15:28
alteregoanidel: you've had the N950 replaced twice?! :D15:29
lbtin .oscrc     build-root = /tmp/build/%(repo)s-%(arch)s-%(package)s15:29
alteregoWow, that's really nice of them15:29
lbtSage_: try that15:29
anidelalterego: yes, this is the 2nd time15:29
anidelindeed REALLY nice ;)15:30
alteregoMaybe I should attempt to break mine so I can get one without all the scratches mine currently has ;)15:30
lbtSage_: but don't build Qt15:30
anidelthe first time I had to ship it to them and then they shipped the new one back. This time even more kinder, they'll ship one tomorrow alongside a box to ship this one back for free15:30
Sage_lbt: /tmp is ramdisk in mer sdk?15:30
alteregoanidel: cool15:30
lbtSage_: checking - I'd hope so ...15:31
alteregoanidel: guess you're going through launchpad? And not Nokia Care ;)15:31
lbtyou may need /parentroot/tmp15:31
anidelalterego: not sure what will they do with the leftovers, if I knew they'd throw it away, I wouldn't mind asking.15:31
Sage_lbt: my /parentroot/tmp isn't ramdisk I'm quite sure about that.15:31
anidelstraight to the source, e-mailed a chap called Ville Moiso @nokia.com15:31
alteregoanidel: yeah, the screen being broken isn't a deal breaker as we've got S-Video out ..15:31
lbtSage_: run a decent distro?15:32
alteregoanidel: so it'd still be usefull in a way.15:32
Sage_lbt: opensuse15:34
Sage_ mount | grep /tmp15:34
Sage_tmpfs on /srv/mer/sdks/sdk/var/tmp/build-root type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=2097152k)15:34
Sage_that is made by me15:34
* alterego does a last round of cleaning up of his sources.15:34
anidelalterego: well if you think how useful a Pi can be, you can see how useful even a Nokia 770 may be, perhaps with Mer on it.15:35
anideland actually...15:35
Stskeepswe don't have an armv5 port and i burnt off my 770 with trying to put a modern kernel on it15:35
Stskeepswifi is the problem there15:35
anidelstskeeps yeah I know the wifi driver had a bug...:/15:36
anidelyou saved me a look at the Mer pages15:36
Stskeepsthere's a little more hope on n8x0 though15:36
Stskeepson raspberry pi, the gles chip is what saves it all though15:37
alteregoI've got 770, N800, N810, N900, N950, N915:37
anidelit depends the use you wanna make of it. The tablets are great as a remote touch screen for the Pi for example...15:37
alteregoI should start a museum ;)15:37
w00tStskeeps: did it literally catch fire?15:37
anidelI've got all except the N800 which I'm looking for (and probably found :))15:37
alteregow00t: knowing Stskeeps ... ;)15:38
anidelwho are you?15:38
anidelkidding :p15:38
w00talterego: yeaaah, i remember some scary battery discussions with him :D15:38
w00ti've thankfully never had any of my electronics explode15:38
w00tdespite trying quite hard :(15:38
Stskeepsi've bricked my Tizen device however...15:39
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lbtSage_: I guess it wouldn't hurt to make /tmp in the SDK a tmpfs15:39
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anidelhow did you manage?15:39
w00tStskeeps: you can reflash now right?15:39
anidelwell I guess it's easy15:39
w00tI was momentarily worried I bricked a galaxy nexus yesterday, but thankfully not15:39
Stskeepsw00t: no15:39
Stskeepsanidel: asked it to restore bootloader from it's own sd card15:40
Stskeeps== boom15:40
anideldid they give a flasher?15:40
Stskeepsthey gave a flasher that speaks to uboot15:40
Stskeepsguess what i nuked15:40
anidelhard to guess :p15:40
anideluboot is what starts when you press volume down + power up from off, right?15:41
anidelmmm might ask them if there's a way to recover the device.15:41
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Stskeepsif there's a next tizen conference, i'll ask :P15:42
anidelwe're talking quite constantly with them, I will send an e-mail out to Korea and see what comes back.15:43
* anidel noted the *if* though15:43
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alteregoBloody QDesktopServices is in the gui module.15:44
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alteregoWhat if I want to write an app that doesn't have a gui but wants to know where all the Data directories are ..15:45
anidelStep 1 ready15:46
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anidellovely chap from California's willing to send his N800 to me so that it can rest the rest of his life with its Maemo family...15:50
alteregoAwww :)15:51
alteregoYou mean EOL ? :)15:51
anidelthere's no EOL for these devices :p15:52
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anidelarmv6l is for N900 right?16:01
dm8tbrn900 can use armv7l16:02
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Stskeeps(and armv7hl)16:05
Stskeepswe use armv7hl in nemo16:05
anidelok thanks16:08
anidelfollowing Platform SDK I arrived at Running osc and 'osc ls' first asked me to create an account and then it's returning basic auth failed16:11
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Stskeepsdid you do osc -A or ?16:31
lbtanidel: and do you have a account16:33
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anidelit goes timeout on
anidelyes I do have a meego account, the Wiki page doesn't say anything about meego account though :)17:25
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anidelgotta go home now...ttyl17:25
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alteregoOkay, /now/ I'm going to do the final clean up of this lib ...17:28
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lbtmeego OBS seems to be down17:46
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lbtmmm Mer Tools is not built for ARM etc17:50
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lbtSWIG/_evp.i:12: Error: Unable to find 'openssl/opensslconf-arm.h19:32
Stskeepsdidn't we log a bug on this already19:32
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lbtthought it was fixed19:33
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lbtin gerrit I want to -1 the code review for 63519:42
lbtit seems to want me to -1 the verified (which I haven't technically done)19:42
lbtStskeeps: is that mandatory19:43
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Stskeepsshouldnt be19:54
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lbtah, I see- it comes up with "server error" and accepts my comment anyhow ... hmm19:58
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CosmoHillI got your mer image on my raspberry pi20:41
vgradeCosmoHill, oh20:42
vgradethats quite an old one20:42
CosmoHillthat would explain why I've not used it20:42
vgradeI think Stskeeps created something for a demo at Devamo a couple of weeks ago20:44
vgradeso there may be a more recent ks kicking about20:45
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lbthey vgrade20:52
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vgradelbt, \021:03
vgradeput a date in the diary for OBS21:03
* CosmoHill needs to stop watching Wheeler Dealers whilst looking for a car21:03
vgradehows things?21:03
lbtstill quiet21:04
lbtwotking on some tutorials for prototyping with Mer21:04
vgradenice news on the archos21:05
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macmaNwhat the news is21:06
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macmaNoh yes indeed. basyskom ppl were at KDE Akademy Tallinn event last weekend21:07
macmaNand presented about plasma active, demoing it on the g9. when i went looking for the image url, discovered they had just published that article 1 day ago21:08
macmaNi wonder does vivaldi have any advantage at all right now21:08
macmaNwas supposed to go out to dinner with Aaron, but he couldnt make it that night :/21:09
vgrademacmaN, did you see Aaron's presentation?21:09
macmaNyes i did21:09
macmaNi read the mer thread that night as well21:09
macmaNadpatations yaddamathing21:09
vgrademer thread?21:09
macmaNmailing list thread21:09
vgradebeen rather off grid for a few weeks21:10
macmaNwell no, this was a bit earlier, you already replied there i think
vgrademacmaN, right I remember21:11
vgradewhats the price differential between G9 and Vivaldi21:12
macmaNvivaldis eventual price is still undetermined i think21:12
macmaNi know i can buy the g9 at any time from retail at 250€21:13
macmaNvivaldi's screen is also total crap21:14
macmaNcompared to g921:14
vgrademacmaN, yea but I'd choose the vivaldi to go in my kids bags to school21:15
macmaNas in vivaldi 7" ff?21:15
macmaNok. possibly.21:16
vgradei think the vivaldi would survive and the 10" g9 come back damaged21:16
macmaNright. im only interested in the 8"21:17
vgradenot held one of those so can't comment on build.  Does the basyskom image run on that as well21:17
macmaNdid you check the release notes on the images21:18
macmaNhardware accelerated version has known instability :/21:18
vgradeno not yet.21:18
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vgradebut still, a first for PA on ARM21:18
macmaNclick the dl page link, the readmes are embedded21:18
macmaNfrom what i was looking at... a massive bunch of apps needs a whole new UI21:19
macmaNor rather, UX21:19
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macmaNknowing open source, there's a looong winding road ahead21:20
vgradewhats the view on the google tab? is it hackable. I noticed it does not have sdcard21:20
macmaNbut nevertheless, having a decently working piece of hardware available is a huge step :)21:20
macmaNi'd just like to get a completely clean install going21:21
vgradegood for Mer and Plasma Active communities, yes21:21
macmaNno "desktop ui" apps ruining the imagination21:21
vgradeapps, apps, apps21:22
vgradetizmee is interesting on that front21:22
macmaNno doubt21:22
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vgradeand Gecko21:23
macmaNvgrade: aarons talk is up on lwn btw21:32
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macmaNi think my questions got taped too at the end :)21:33
macmaNi should actually download it then21:33
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macmaNand i was tripping a bit, the video is not up there21:35
macmaNjust a recap article21:35
macmaNbut the akademy videos will surely appear soon21:35
vgradelooking fwd21:42
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alteregoHey vgrade long time, how're you doing?21:47
vgradealterego, good, just about getting my head above after starting at JLR in May21:52
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alteregoFinally managed to get some time off paid projects, so I'm working on hobby projects now :)21:58
alteregoSome coding and some 3D printing, so I'm happy :D21:59
alteregoHopefully I'll get a pi soon enough.21:59
alteregoWe should arrange a meetup soon.21:59
vgradegood to get time for that.  I feel a but guilty as I've been off grid for the last few months22:01
vgradeash was trying to get some interest for a Tizen meetup recently22:02
alteregoWell, you're not the only one. I've been basically a husk of a developer a far as the community is concerned ;)22:02
vgradedid you get to the SF conf22:02
alteregoYeah, he called me yesterday actually. Think he might be turning towards BB10 though22:03
alteregoUntil Tizen actually does something interesting, hopefully later this year.22:03
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vgradeI'm busy up until my summer holls, but will be back mid august. So sometime back end of august22:05
alteregoSounds good :)22:07
vgradeI'll ping ash, have you seen Brenden recently. I saw some posts from himn recently on obs buillding?22:08
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vgradehis last tweet was, Great Success! First class honours degree in Computer Science!22:10
alteregoHeh, no, I've not heard from him in ages :)22:11
vgradealterego, do you get over to Birmingham area?  I'm there for work and so is Ash?22:16
alteregoI can get there, but I can't say I've been recently ;)22:16
alteregoI'm sure we can arrange something, I'll talk to Ash and get him to sort something out.22:19
alteregoI need to hit the hay now so I've gotta run.22:19
alteregoHope to see you round here more ;)22:19
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