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| iekku | morning also | 04:24 |
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| iekku | mmm, coffee | 04:38 |
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| lbt | morning all | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so, what would you like my help for? | 06:27 |
| lbt | so got the Exo to boot into a wifi-enabled state yesterday | 06:27 |
| lbt | it'd be nice to have something shiny to show off | 06:28 |
| lbt | Qt5 and QML | 06:28 |
| lbt | can we do a wayland / Qt5 build easily | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | ish, but it won't be hardware accelerated | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | or hmm | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 06:29 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: zypper in | 06:30 |
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| Stskeeps | qt5-qtqml-qmlscene | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | qt5-qtqml-import-qtquick2plugin | 06:31 |
| lbt | booting | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | qt5-plugin-platform-xcb | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | and then try qmlscene -platform xcb | 06:31 |
| lbt | booted | 06:31 |
| lbt | it is rather quick | 06:31 |
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| Stskeeps | this naturally needs to be under X.. | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:31 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: i think the withprjconf stuff isn't likely to work.. it transfers control to something that expects the project configuration within POST data/PUT | 06:33 |
| Stskeeps | got null-size prjconf, so | 06:33 |
| phaeron | yeah it was a quick patch. need to dig a bit more deeply | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | just feeding back :) | 06:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwPu6lbG_Xk might be interesting too | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | it sits on top of cordova/phonegap | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | on qtwebkit | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: does that combo fail, or? | 06:41 |
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| lbt | back | 06:42 |
| lbt | yes but "libEGL warning: failed to create a pipe screen for i915" | 06:42 |
| lbt | and no interesting qml files handy | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | it fails, or ..? | 06:44 |
| lbt | it pops up a dialog asking for qml file | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | wget http://qtl.me/minimer2.tar.gz | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | and qmlscene -platform xcb main.qml in there, i think | 06:44 |
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| lbt | file:///home/nemo/qml/minimer/main.qml:7:5: QML Image: Invalid image data: file:///home/nemo/qml/minimer/wallpaper.jpg | 06:46 |
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| lbt | which exists... | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 06:46 |
| lbt | libjpeg type stuff? | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | qt5-plugin-imageformat-jpeg | 06:47 |
| lbt | OK :) | 06:48 |
| lbt | FPS: 63 Hz | 06:48 |
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| Stskeeps | works? | 06:48 |
| lbt | (which is redundant) | 06:48 |
| lbt | yes | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | well good to know it works | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:50 |
| lbt | yup, that's a good place to start | 06:51 |
| lbt | I'll look at the code and see if I can make it look better (full screen) | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:51 |
| lbt | would also like to run the T-runner stuff | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | you can probably qmlscene -fullscreen too | 06:51 |
| lbt | OK - and, thanks, I would much rather spend time fixing things than re-discovering things that people already know | 06:52 |
| lbt | -fullscreen doesn't work | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok, maybe something else | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:54 |
| lbt | testrunner stuff? | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | sure, what about it? | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | check out the r-pi .ks | 07:01 |
| lbt | I have the client-side with eat | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | (please use 'device' and 'host' terminology) | 07:01 |
| lbt | I have the device-side with eat | 07:01 |
| lbt | :P | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | sdk, sec | 07:02 |
| * lbt is happy to see his terminology pedantry rubbing off | 07:02 | |
| Stskeeps | install testrunner-lite from tools, testrunner-ui from http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/timoph/Mer_Core_i586/ | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | and ideally drag in testrunner-ui to tools | 07:03 |
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| Stskeeps | install those into sdk | 07:03 |
| lbt | yeah - they should all be in tools | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | and liberation-sans-fonts or something, as well | 07:03 |
| lbt | you do know you have too much in your head - unless I just missed this on the wiki? | 07:04 |
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| * Stskeeps makes a note that he had to prep all this from devaamo summit and hasn't had a chance to sit down and do things sanely | 07:04 | |
| lbt | sure - it really will help to lower the barrier-to-entry to start playing with (and contributing to) this stuff | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | and for the record, as i went along, i asked these things to be included :P | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/stskeeps:/tools-testing-eat/Mer_Core_i586/ , install blts-x11-tests on both host and device | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | you set up host-side with eat yet? | 07:05 |
| lbt | I think I got that from the pi .ks | 07:05 |
| lbt | no | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok, sec | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | eat-add-device-key inside SDK when eat-host is installed | 07:06 |
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| Stskeeps | and i agree, we do have something really good if we could just pull the pieces together.. :P | 07:12 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: does qt mutimedia have some service mechanism in it? just like C/S. I mean whether it can offer media service by DBus or something else? | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: hmm, i don't know sorry | 07:13 |
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| Stskeeps | morn Venemo | 07:15 |
| Venemo | hey Stskeeps :) | 07:15 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: in testrunner-ui configure to the ip, /home/foo/.ssh/id_dsa_eat (i think) as ssh key, nemo user | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | and find tests.xml from blts-x11-tests | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | and rn | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | first tests will fail as they inexplicitly require root | 07:17 |
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| * lbt finds that sdk upgrade route has an edge case :/ | 07:22 | |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: let me know if you want a review of slides, etc | 07:32 |
| lbt | FOSDEM ones mainly | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:33 |
| lbt | can you send me your devaamo ones | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | sure.. let me just locate the laptop they're on | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind my devaamo was mostly talk ones | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | and notes on paper | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/merwhatitcandoforyou.odp | 07:36 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: when reviews are starting again? | 07:55 |
| Venemo_N9 | what's up? | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: when we have copyprj workng | 07:55 |
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| phaeron | mmm | 08:13 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: you didn't say it was blocking :( | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: not a high blocking | 08:14 |
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| phaeron | so there are other issues ? | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i just would like a successfully copyprj of a top level project | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | it works, with binaries, but rebuilds after prjconf is added post-facto | 08:17 |
| phaeron | ok. I'll look into that small patch again now | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | while you're at it, an option to disable publishing in initial meta prj could be interesting too | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | as it will make things a lot faster | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | (if possible) | 08:20 |
| phaeron | ok | 08:20 |
| lbt | I had a patch for that (disable publish) | 08:23 |
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| lbt | ah yes, did it in source_controller with 'enable build' flag | 08:27 |
| lbt | not publish - but I remember thinking the principle is the same | 08:28 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/open-build-service/commit/a3b93b16dd687aa1cf0966ef269c4bd05f46dbfe#L0R1207 | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | hello ykersule :) | 08:37 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: how's testing going? | 09:01 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: noting stuff that should be done | 09:03 |
| lbt | like "test connection" | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:03 |
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| lbt | all tests are failing btw | 09:15 |
| lbt | you said something about running as root? | 09:15 |
| lbt | logger: invalid option -- 'e' | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes, the first set of tests will fail | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | next won't, i think | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure what does 'logger' | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps the syslog button | 09:21 |
| lbt | nah, they both fail | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | screenshot please | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | why does it take 20 minutes to upload a 3.1 mb file to cobs.. | 09:23 |
| lbt | no idea ... | 09:23 |
| lbt | http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/7500047942/in/photostream | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok.. sec | 09:26 |
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| phaeron | pharon_vm: yo | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: show me your settings in test rrun ? | 09:28 |
| pharon_vm | phaeron: no | 09:28 |
| phaeron | :D | 09:28 |
| lbt | http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/7500063270/in/photostream | 09:29 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: can you try expanding the ~ ? | 09:30 |
| lbt | that's fine | 09:30 |
| lbt | I missed a . and it complained about ssh key | 09:31 |
| lbt | so I know it's happy now | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:31 |
| lbt | (on the grounds it complained about /home/david/ssh/id_eat_dsa not found :) | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: testrunner-lite installed on both host and device? | 09:33 |
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| lbt | no | 09:36 |
| lbt | I didn't think it was needed on device | 09:36 |
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| lbt | is it? | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | well, maybe not | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | show me error log from one of the failing testS? | 09:37 |
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| lbt | OK.just selecting 1 test ... it churns *a lot* | 09:38 |
| lbt | I think it needs 'logger' fixing | 09:40 |
| lbt | https://gist.github.com/3046387 | 09:40 |
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| saunabad | sampos: ^^ has someone forgotten to update the help once again? :] | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 09:46 |
| lbt | we have util-linux-2.20 | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: both 80 and 101 is good for mer? | 09:48 |
| lbt | bbiab ... 20m | 09:49 |
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| sampos | lbt: yeah, testrunner-lite uses logger on DUT to indicate start of test case | 10:05 |
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| sampos | maybe not so useful feature | 10:05 |
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| sampos | dunno where the -e comes | 10:09 |
| sampos | though | 10:09 |
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| lbt | sampos: hmm OK | 10:10 |
| lbt | any thoughts on the best way to shortcut this? | 10:10 |
| lbt | I'd like to show it to some people in a couple of hours :) | 10:10 |
| sampos | hmm the logger should not cause failure, it's logger || true | 10:12 |
| lbt | there is no /var/log/tests | 10:14 |
| sampos | that would do it :) | 10:14 |
| sampos | STEP: /usr/bin/blts-xrender-bench -l /var/log/tests/X11-XRender_benchmark_PictOpClear.log -e 1 return 1 | 10:14 |
| lbt | I made the logdir on the device - yes? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:15 |
| lbt | + chmod 777 | 10:15 |
| lbt | didn't help :( | 10:15 |
| sampos | the result xml might have some hints | 10:16 |
| sampos | or running that step manually | 10:16 |
| lbt | XOpenDisplay(NULL) failed, DISPLAY environment variable missing? Trying display :0. | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: reboot the device after eat-device was installed | 10:17 |
| lbt | ok, I hadn't | 10:17 |
| lbt | wifi seems to come up reliably with that unit :) | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | verify /home/nemo/.eat-env is there | 10:19 |
| lbt | manual run passed the test | 10:19 |
| lbt | we have ~/.eat-stored-env | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | good | 10:20 |
| sampos | eat from store, that's bad :) | 10:20 |
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| lbt | tests are passing :) | 10:21 |
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| lbt | now we need better looking tests.... | 10:21 |
| lbt | pigeons! | 10:21 |
| lbt | OK - thanks sampos | 10:22 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I sorted out the uxlaunch/Xorg issue btw | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 10:23 |
| lbt | uxlaunch started X and left it reparented to systemd, then died as I'd not installed a session | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | bug please | 10:24 |
| lbt | then systemd tried to restart uxlaunch | 10:24 |
| lbt | well, we're losing uxlaunch aren't we? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but doesn't mean it's not a bug | 10:24 |
| lbt | true | 10:24 |
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| lbt | uxlaunch ignores 'Path=' :/ | 11:37 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: yes, should be. prolly better tested on 101 | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah, the CWD-ness of things is a bit annoying | 11:53 |
| lbt | I do wonder if the systemd/C hackers should stick to the kernel sometimes ;P | 11:55 |
| lbt | I would really be interested in lua in systemd | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | could be interesting | 11:55 |
| lbt | right .. so Tizen | 11:56 |
| * lbt looks for the ml "behind closed doors" quote | 11:56 | |
| Stskeeps | raster was the one saying that | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | https://lists.tizen.org/pipermail/product-dev/2012-July/000057.html | 11:57 |
| phdeswer | Hi all. Is it expected that the wiki gives me an invalid certificate? | 11:58 |
| lbt | phdeswer: yes | 11:59 |
| lbt | it's not invalid | 11:59 |
| lbt | it's self-signed | 11:59 |
| lbt | your browser is confused | 11:59 |
| lbt | we forgive you :) | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | phdeswer: reasoning is that we are sending passwords over the wire, so we need ssl in one form | 11:59 |
| lbt | and yes I'll fix it ... I promise :) | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | it's on our task list to get proper certificates | 11:59 |
| lbt | I will say that it's consistent - we have a master cert which has been used to sign everything, ldap, https, and eventually rpms | 12:00 |
| lbt | it also does internal vpns and suchlike too | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: regarding tizen, youtube video above regarding cordova is good too | 12:01 |
| lbt | yes, it's in my slides | 12:01 |
| alterego | I see no youtube video | 12:03 |
| phdeswer | lbt, Stskeeps No problem. Just wanted to check ;) | 12:03 |
| lbt | phdeswer: no problem at all, appreciate it | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwPu6lbG_Xk | 12:03 |
| lbt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwPu6lbG_Xk | 12:04 |
| lbt | he does need to pronounce Tizen correctly :) | 12:04 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:04 |
| alterego | It's how we should be pronouncing it though :P | 12:04 |
| alterego | Can't he just use the Tizen runtime? | 12:05 |
| lbt | Teeheezen ? | 12:05 |
| alterego | Tiz-en | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: there might be benefits to using a qtwebkit+cordova based solution.. | 12:05 |
| lbt | yup | 12:05 |
| alterego | Maybe he should use phonegap too | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | cordova is phonegap | 12:06 |
| alterego | Make one runtime to rule them all ;) | 12:06 |
| alterego | Oh, right :) | 12:06 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | and do it again native like facebook did for the iOS :) | 12:07 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | SCNR | 12:08 |
| alterego | Yeah, that does seem a bit odd .. | 12:08 |
| lbt | where's that story again? | 12:08 |
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| alterego | Think I saw it on BBC News | 12:09 |
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| Stskeeps | hello thetet :) | 12:10 |
| thetet | Stskeeps: hello :) | 12:10 |
| * alterego wonders if someone could make a boot selector for the N9/50 which uses volume keys for navigation and power for select. | 12:10 | |
| Stskeeps | alterego: didn't you try marquiz's MOSLO? | 12:11 |
| alterego | Nope | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | thetet: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 12:11 |
| thetet | Stskeeps: curiosity :) i own a n810, n900 and recently got a n9 and i think humankind needs a free mobile os | 12:12 |
| alterego | It certainly does .. | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | thetet: that's a good start :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask them at any time, else feel free to hang out | 12:12 |
| thetet | does the mer project build upon meego/harmattan? | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | thetet: well. historically, Mer comes from MeeGo 1.3, sized down to be more maintainable and lower footprint | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | thetet: there's a project, Nemo, which utilizes Mer as it's Core, which uses harmattan components | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | and when i say meego, i mean the 'real' meego, from meego.com | 12:13 |
| alterego | Which were also MeeGo 1.0-1.2 components | 12:14 |
| thetet | ah, nice | 12:14 |
| alterego | And least the Handset UX stuff. | 12:14 |
| alterego | ~At least .. | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | so we do good core work here for use in many different projects | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | and then people can do good UI/product work in other places, without worrying about core too much | 12:14 |
| thetet | it's on my todo list, to flash a multiboot kernel and tryout different os | 12:14 |
| alterego | Like Nemo, Cordia, etc. | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | thetet: for n900 we recommend u-boot | 12:15 |
| lbt | thetet: so what kinda Mer/OSS person are you? Coder, end user? | 12:15 |
| thetet | Stskeeps: tnx for the tipp :) | 12:15 |
| thetet | lbt: i'm not so deep into OS hacking, but i would say, i'm a software developer | 12:16 |
| thetet | lbt: more into web dev at the moment | 12:16 |
| lbt | that's useful, we want people to play with HTML5 and QML stuff on top of Mer | 12:17 |
| lbt | it should be easy - and we need feedback where it's not | 12:17 |
| thetet | yeah cool, can't wait! | 12:17 |
| lbt | over the next week or so I'm hoping to put out some docs on how to get that going - nag me | 12:18 |
| thetet | but i have to admit, that i'm currently a bit busy with client projects | 12:18 |
| lbt | np. open invite | 12:18 |
| thetet | lbt: sounds good :) i'll also be around in this channel from now on | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | thetet: every monday we have bug triages, announced on our mailing list (https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lists), where you can find things to do as well | 12:19 |
| thetet | subscribed :) | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 12:24 |
| alterego | :) | 12:25 |
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| lbt | and removes the FPS counter | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | w00t_: didn't you have on-screen fps? | 12:26 |
| w00t_ | i do, you want v3? | 12:27 |
| w00t_ | it scales too, just for extra fun :P | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: please do | 12:27 |
| lbt | w00t_: got a quick, sexy qml thing I can use with "qmlscene" to show off | 12:27 |
| * lbt has 30m before leaving | 12:27 | |
| w00t_ | lbt: yes | 12:27 |
| lbt | Orange Labs | 12:27 |
| w00t_ | (although aren't you using it?) | 12:27 |
| w00t_ | ah.. something else? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: minimer is w00t's | 12:27 |
| lbt | I'm on ExoPC btw | 12:28 |
| alterego | also, some more good news, my pi has been ordered :) | 12:28 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I know he's got better than that | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: probably a bad idea to switch demo now, i guess | 12:28 |
| lbt | *g* | 12:28 |
| lbt | live dangerously | 12:28 |
| alterego | w00t_ same game seems to be the one, and maybe the qt3d stuff? | 12:29 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: we're on sw rendering ? | 12:30 |
| alterego | There's also those swirly qt logos | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: .. depends, are you using our x86 package group? | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | show me ks | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 12:30 |
| w00t_ | lbt: http://qtl.me/minimer3.tar.gz is the latest I have | 12:31 |
| w00t_ | don't overwrite your existing copy, obviously, in case something goes wrong | 12:31 |
| lbt | the one I have is ~15 lines :) | 12:31 |
| lbt | ks https://gist.github.com/3047101 | 12:32 |
| lbt | that's not actually the real ks | 12:32 |
| w00t_ | ugh | 12:32 |
| w00t_ | that screwed up | 12:32 |
| lbt | I did manual installs of stuff and recorded hacks to reproduce | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: OK, so not sw rendering | 12:33 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: good - I saw a log message in Xorg but didn't actually check | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | still | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | it's 60fps, who's complaining.. | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:33 |
| w00t_ | lbt: re-fetch | 12:33 |
| lbt | hehe | 12:34 |
| w00t_ | it's very similar, just with on-screen FPS display now, and scaling added | 12:34 |
| w00t_ | still a small demo | 12:34 |
| * lbt wants andrews demo | 12:34 | |
| lbt | soooooo jealous | 12:34 |
| w00t_ | I am thinking of either doing some more advanced ones or just adding some more fun stuff to that one, but I need to find space in the time budget | 12:35 |
| lbt | [ 7707.384] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0 | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: will have to be next time.. he put it out in oss | 12:35 |
| lbt | I have it on my laptop | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have wayland support that easily available, so | 12:35 |
| lbt | ah, that was the blocker | 12:36 |
| lbt | nm though, I'm sure some of what he did can be re-used and be a great learning tool | 12:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: just wanted to say good luck :) | 12:38 |
| lbt | thanks :) | 12:38 |
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| lbt | tweaked, 2 counter-rotating Mers, front one bouncing | 12:41 |
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| w00t_ | lbt: \o/ | 12:43 |
| w00t_ | smooth FPS? :) | 12:43 |
| lbt | https://gist.github.com/3047142 | 12:43 |
| lbt | 39-56 | 12:44 |
| * w00t_ nods | 12:44 | |
| lbt | w00t_: FPS or Hz, not both :) | 12:44 |
| w00t_ | lbt: i choose to blame sroedal | 12:45 |
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| w00t_ | he wrote that component, I just mercilessly stole it :) | 12:45 |
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| lbt | reboot test | 12:45 |
| lbt | 7 secs to spinning Mer from syslinux | 12:46 |
| w00t_ | on exopc? | 12:46 |
| lbt | yes | 12:46 |
| w00t_ | that's not half bad | 12:46 |
| lbt | SSDs are kinda cheating | 12:46 |
| w00t_ | haha | 12:46 |
| lbt | which is prolly why they specc'ed them :) | 12:47 |
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| lbt | actually, now I have a "play" platform I'm going to have some fun | 12:47 |
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| alterego | I didn't think the exo ssd was particularly speedy. | 12:50 |
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| alterego | Oh neat, they fixed the email client in harmattan 1.3 | 12:52 |
| w00t_ | in what way? | 12:53 |
| alterego | I can delete emails without it crashing | 12:53 |
| alterego | Risc OS on Pi, cool ... :) | 12:57 |
| alterego | qt on risc ow anyone? :D | 12:59 |
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| Macer | i want a raspi | 13:08 |
| Macer | :-/ | 13:08 |
| Macer | they're all sold out | 13:08 |
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| alterego | Yeah, got an email yesterday saying they're ready to process my order, but then the order page says a wait of up to 12 weeks O_O | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | that's fine, just get it | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | rs online or farnell? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:12 |
| alterego | RS | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | i got mine damn quick from them | 13:15 |
| alterego | Cool, I was hoping it's to do with playing it safe ;) | 13:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: i have updated kernel-adaptation-pc and syslinux from tizen, how would you feel about getting those into X86 adaptation? | 16:26 |
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| dm8tbr | they didn't come with their we'll-sue-you-into-oblivion-open-source-license? ;) | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | no, and we have to admit that intel knows how to do atom adaptations | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:29 |
| dm8tbr | intel knowing something about their silicon, that's news. ;) | 16:29 |
| Clark008 | so I read meego got an update with over 1000 improvements, lol | 16:31 |
| dm8tbr | Clark008: harmattan, not meego | 16:31 |
| dm8tbr | meego proper has been mostly bit-rotting away since last may | 16:32 |
| dm8tbr | with exception of IVI and TV | 16:32 |
| Clark008 | ah, gotcha | 16:33 |
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| CosmoHill | oh good god | 17:29 |
| CosmoHill | someone on the (CLFS) mailing list has an "out of office" auto reply | 17:29 |
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| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: someone™ should write instructions how to configure Exchange accounts using outlook for OoO replies that exclude mailinglists... and then send that to such people | 17:37 |
| * alterego continues working on his Json messaging protocols. | 17:38 | |
| alterego | Quite fun really .. | 17:38 |
| CosmoHill | my Class 10 30MB/s 16GB SDHC arrived today :) | 17:46 |
| CosmoHill | ordered it monday for £9 :) | 17:46 |
| CosmoHill | typically, 10 mins after I ordered it dad said he had a 4GB I could use on my pi | 17:48 |
| alterego | Heh, lol | 17:51 |
| alterego | I've got a 4G and an 8G | 17:51 |
| alterego | Not sure I need to get another tbf | 17:51 |
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| alterego | Yup, pretty chuffed with this IPC mechanism. | 20:17 |
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| lbt | alterego: ? | 20:23 |
| alterego | I'm implementing a lightweight Json based IPC mechanism which uses local & tcp sockets as well as REST over HTTP | 20:33 |
| alterego | In Qt/C++ | 20:34 |
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| alterego | I've implemented connection dropping and reconnection support, ad-hoc message processing, QObject proxy stuff to allow RPC. | 20:36 |
| alterego | A gateway protocol and gateway implementation for message distribution over node "clusters". | 20:36 |
| alterego | It's a bit overkill for what I actually want to use it for, but I kind of get carried away with this things .. | 20:38 |
| lbt | well, if you're learning stuff :) | 20:38 |
| lbt | I guess you've looked at 0mq and such? | 20:39 |
| alterego | I'm learning a bit about the QMetaObject | 20:39 |
| alterego | And it's reinforced my knowledge of concurrent software and communication patterns. | 20:39 |
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| alterego | Which I've not really used for over 2 years and do find it quite interesting. | 20:40 |
| alterego | Yeah, I've looked at other Qt messaging stuff. | 20:40 |
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| lbt | https://github.com/jonnydee/nzmqt | 20:42 |
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| lbt | not sure if that's of interest - may be nice to interact with 0MQ in other languages like python though | 20:44 |
| alterego | Cool | 20:44 |
| alterego | Haven't heard of that one before. | 20:44 |
| lbt | 0MQ was an option for us in BOSS but we went for AMQP instead to get centralised redundancy - fitted the design better for BOSS | 20:45 |
| lbt | for you 0MQ is more distributed | 20:45 |
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| lbt | definitely read up on it - it's kinda like you saying you're writing a json DB and then someone mentions Mongo and CouchDB etc :) | 20:48 |
| alterego | :) | 20:50 |
| alterego | Well, I'm also doing it because I enjoy it ;) | 20:50 |
| alterego | And the framework isn't actually limited to JSON, it's just this particular use case is using Json | 20:50 |
| alterego | Though that's beside the point ;) | 20:51 |
| lbt | sure ... just FYI | 20:51 |
| alterego | Yeah, thanks for pointing those out, I'll have to have a look at it. | 20:51 |
| alterego | tbf, I probably should have just used dbus ;) | 20:52 |
| alterego | Though there are a lot of places I want this to go where dbus wont run and also it wont do what I want. | 20:53 |
| lbt | if you think you should have used dbus then you should have used amqp or 0MQ :) | 20:53 |
| alterego | lol | 20:53 |
| lbt | I went through the exact same thing for BOSS and the IPC there | 20:53 |
| lbt | wrote "AIR" - AMQP Interoperable RPC or something | 20:54 |
| lbt | dead simple, json based rpc on top of AMQP :) | 20:54 |
| lbt | python/perl/ruby | 20:54 |
| alterego | cool | 20:55 |
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| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/air | 20:56 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/air/blob/master/python-air/examples/client.py | 20:56 |
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| alterego | Neat | 20:57 |
| lbt | tiny and just enough for what we needed | 20:57 |
| lbt | bbiab | 20:58 |
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| alterego | I do wonder why I'm doing a lot of this in Qt/C++ anyway | 21:03 |
| alterego | Would be easier to do it in another language with very little overhead. | 21:03 |
| alterego | At least some of the components .. | 21:03 |
| alterego | Maybe I should before I get too far with this particular aspect. | 21:03 |
| alterego | I would like to do it all in QML/QtScript :) | 21:04 |
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