Wednesday, 2012-07-04

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iekkumorning also04:24
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iekkummm, coffee04:38
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lbtmorning all06:26
Stskeepsmorn lbt06:27
Stskeepslbt: so, what would you like my help for?06:27
lbtso got the Exo to boot into a wifi-enabled state yesterday06:27
lbtit'd be nice to have something shiny to show off06:28
lbtQt5 and QML06:28
lbtcan we do a wayland / Qt5 build easily06:28
Stskeepsish, but it won't be hardware accelerated06:28
Stskeepsor hmm06:29
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Stskeepslbt: zypper in06:30
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Stskeepsand then try qmlscene -platform xcb06:31
lbtit is rather quick06:31
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Stskeepsthis naturally needs to be under X..06:31
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Stskeepsphaeron: i think the withprjconf stuff isn't likely to work.. it transfers control to something that expects the project configuration within POST data/PUT06:33
Stskeepsgot null-size prjconf, so06:33
phaeronyeah it was a quick patch. need to dig a bit more deeply06:35
Stskeepsjust feeding back :)06:36
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Stskeepslbt: might be interesting too06:40
Stskeepsit sits on top of cordova/phonegap06:40
Stskeepson qtwebkit06:40
Stskeepslbt: does that combo fail, or?06:41
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lbtyes but "libEGL warning: failed to create a pipe screen for i915"06:42
lbtand no interesting qml files handy06:43
Stskeepsit fails, or ..?06:44
lbtit pops up a dialog asking for qml file06:44
Stskeepsand qmlscene -platform xcb main.qml in there, i think06:44
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lbtfile:///home/nemo/qml/minimer/main.qml:7:5: QML Image: Invalid image data: file:///home/nemo/qml/minimer/wallpaper.jpg06:46
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lbtwhich exists...06:46
lbtlibjpeg type stuff?06:47
lbtOK :)06:48
lbtFPS: 63 Hz06:48
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lbt(which is redundant)06:48
Stskeepswell good to know it works06:50
lbtyup, that's a good place to start06:51
lbtI'll look at the code and see if I can make it look better (full screen)06:51
lbtwould also like to run the T-runner stuff06:51
Stskeepsyou can probably qmlscene -fullscreen too06:51
lbtOK - and, thanks, I would much rather spend time fixing things than re-discovering things that people already know06:52
lbt-fullscreen doesn't work06:53
Stskeepsok, maybe something else06:54
lbttestrunner stuff?07:01
Stskeepssure, what about it?07:01
Stskeepscheck out the r-pi .ks07:01
lbtI have the client-side with eat07:01
Stskeeps(please use 'device' and 'host' terminology)07:01
lbtI have the device-side with eat07:01
Stskeepssdk, sec07:02
* lbt is happy to see his terminology pedantry rubbing off07:02
Stskeepsinstall testrunner-lite from tools, testrunner-ui from
Stskeepsand ideally drag in testrunner-ui to tools07:03
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Stskeepsinstall those into sdk07:03
lbtyeah - they should all be in tools07:03
Stskeepsand liberation-sans-fonts or something, as well07:03
lbtyou do know you have too much in your head - unless I just missed this on the wiki?07:04
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* Stskeeps makes a note that he had to prep all this from devaamo summit and hasn't had a chance to sit down and do things sanely07:04
lbtsure - it really will help to lower the barrier-to-entry to start playing with (and contributing to) this stuff07:05
Stskeepsand for the record, as i went along, i asked these things to be included :P07:05
Stskeeps , install blts-x11-tests on both host and device07:05
Stskeepsyou set up host-side with eat yet?07:05
lbtI think I got that from the pi .ks07:05
Stskeepsok, sec07:06
Stskeepseat-add-device-key inside SDK when eat-host is installed07:06
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Stskeepsand i agree, we do have something really good if we could just pull the pieces together.. :P07:12
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: does qt mutimedia have some service mechanism in it? just like C/S. I mean whether it can offer media service by DBus or something else?07:13
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: hmm, i don't know sorry07:13
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Stskeepsmorn Venemo07:15
Venemohey Stskeeps  :)07:15
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Stskeepslbt: in testrunner-ui configure to the ip, /home/foo/.ssh/id_dsa_eat (i think) as ssh key, nemo user07:16
Stskeepsand find tests.xml from blts-x11-tests07:16
Stskeepsand rn07:16
Stskeepsfirst tests will fail as they inexplicitly require root07:17
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* lbt finds that sdk upgrade route has an edge case :/07:22
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Stskeepslbt: let me know if you want a review of slides, etc07:32
lbtFOSDEM ones mainly07:32
lbtcan you send me your devaamo ones07:33
Stskeepssure.. let me just locate the laptop they're on07:33
Stskeepskeep in mind my devaamo was mostly talk ones07:34
Stskeepsand notes on paper07:34
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Sage_Stskeeps: when reviews are starting again?07:55
Venemo_N9what's up?07:55
StskeepsSage_: when we have copyprj workng07:55
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phaeronStskeeps: you didn't say it was blocking :(08:13
Stskeepsphaeron: not a high blocking08:14
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phaeronso there are other issues ?08:15
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Stskeepswell, i just would like a successfully copyprj of a top level project08:17
Stskeepsit works, with binaries, but rebuilds after prjconf is added post-facto08:17
phaeronok. I'll look into that small patch again now08:18
Stskeepswhile you're at it, an option to disable publishing in initial meta prj could be interesting too08:19
Stskeepsas it will make things a lot faster08:19
Stskeeps(if possible)08:20
lbtI had a patch for that (disable publish)08:23
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lbtah yes, did it in source_controller with 'enable build' flag08:27
lbtnot publish - but I remember thinking the principle is the same08:28
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Stskeepshello ykersule :)08:37
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Stskeepslbt: how's testing going?09:01
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lbtStskeeps: noting stuff that should be done09:03
lbtlike "test connection"09:03
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lbtall tests are failing btw09:15
lbtyou said something about running as root?09:15
lbtlogger: invalid option -- 'e'09:20
Stskeepsyes, the first set of tests will fail09:21
Stskeepsnext won't, i think09:21
Stskeepsi'm not sure what does 'logger'09:21
Stskeepsperhaps the syslog button09:21
lbtnah, they both fail09:22
Stskeepsscreenshot please09:22
Stskeepswhy does it take 20 minutes to upload a 3.1 mb file to cobs..09:23
lbtno idea ...09:23
Stskeepsok.. sec09:26
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phaeronpharon_vm: yo09:28
Stskeepslbt: show me your settings in test rrun ?09:28
pharon_vmphaeron: no09:28
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Stskeepslbt: can you try expanding the ~ ?09:30
lbtthat's fine09:30
lbtI missed a . and it complained about ssh key09:31
lbtso I know it's happy now09:31
lbt(on the grounds it complained about /home/david/ssh/id_eat_dsa not found :)09:33
Stskeepslbt: testrunner-lite installed on both host and device?09:33
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lbtI didn't think it was needed on device09:36
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lbtis it?09:37
Stskeepswell, maybe not09:37
Stskeepsshow me error log from one of the failing testS?09:37
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lbtOK.just selecting 1 test ... it churns *a lot*09:38
lbtI think it needs 'logger' fixing09:40
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saunabadsampos: ^^ has someone forgotten to update the help once again? :]09:45
lbtwe have util-linux-2.2009:47
Stskeepsdm8tbr: both 80 and 101 is good for mer?09:48
lbtbbiab ... 20m09:49
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samposlbt: yeah, testrunner-lite uses logger on DUT to indicate start of test case10:05
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samposmaybe not so useful feature10:05
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samposdunno where the -e comes10:09
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lbtsampos: hmm OK10:10
lbtany thoughts on the best way to shortcut this?10:10
lbtI'd like to show it to some people in a couple of hours :)10:10
samposhmm the logger should not cause failure, it's logger || true10:12
lbtthere is no /var/log/tests10:14
samposthat would do it :)10:14
samposSTEP: /usr/bin/blts-xrender-bench -l /var/log/tests/X11-XRender_benchmark_PictOpClear.log -e 1 return 110:14
lbtI made the logdir on the device - yes?10:15
lbt+ chmod 77710:15
lbtdidn't help :(10:15
samposthe result xml might have some hints10:16
samposor running that step manually10:16
lbtXOpenDisplay(NULL) failed, DISPLAY environment variable missing? Trying display :0.10:17
Stskeepslbt: reboot the device after eat-device was installed10:17
lbtok, I hadn't10:17
lbtwifi seems to come up reliably with that unit :)10:19
Stskeepsverify /home/nemo/.eat-env is there10:19
lbtmanual run passed the test10:19
lbtwe have ~/.eat-stored-env10:20
samposeat from store, that's bad :)10:20
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lbttests are passing :)10:21
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lbtnow we need better looking tests....10:21
lbtOK - thanks sampos10:22
lbtStskeeps: I sorted out the uxlaunch/Xorg issue btw10:23
lbtuxlaunch started X and left it reparented to systemd, then died as I'd not installed a session10:23
Stskeepsbug please10:24
lbtthen systemd tried to restart uxlaunch10:24
lbtwell, we're losing uxlaunch aren't we?10:24
Stskeepsyes, but doesn't mean it's not a bug10:24
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lbtuxlaunch ignores 'Path=' :/11:37
dm8tbrStskeeps: yes, should be. prolly better tested on 10111:50
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Stskeepslbt: yeah, the CWD-ness of things is a bit annoying11:53
lbtI do wonder if the systemd/C hackers should stick to the kernel sometimes ;P11:55
lbtI would really be interested in lua in systemd11:55
Stskeepscould be interesting11:55
lbtright .. so Tizen11:56
* lbt looks for the ml "behind closed doors" quote11:56
Stskeepsraster was the one saying that11:56
phdeswerHi all. Is it expected that the wiki gives me an invalid certificate?11:58
lbtphdeswer: yes11:59
lbtit's not invalid11:59
lbtit's self-signed11:59
lbtyour browser is confused11:59
lbtwe forgive you :)11:59
Stskeepsphdeswer: reasoning is that we are sending passwords over the wire, so we need ssl in one form11:59
lbtand yes I'll fix it ... I promise :)11:59
Stskeepsit's on our task list to get proper certificates11:59
lbtI will say that it's consistent - we have a master cert which has been used to sign everything, ldap, https, and eventually rpms12:00
lbtit also does internal vpns and suchlike too12:00
Stskeepslbt: regarding tizen, youtube video above regarding cordova is good too12:01
lbtyes, it's in my slides12:01
alteregoI see no youtube video12:03
phdeswerlbt, Stskeeps No problem. Just wanted to check ;)12:03
lbtphdeswer: no problem at all, appreciate it12:03
lbthe does need to pronounce Tizen correctly :)12:04
alteregoIt's how we should be pronouncing it though :P12:04
alteregoCan't he just use the Tizen runtime?12:05
lbtTeeheezen ?12:05
Stskeepsalterego: there might be benefits to using a qtwebkit+cordova based solution..12:05
alteregoMaybe he should use phonegap too12:06
Stskeepscordova is phonegap12:06
alteregoMake one runtime to rule them all ;)12:06
alteregoOh, right :)12:06
stefan_schmidt_wand do it again native like facebook did for the iOS :)12:07
alteregoYeah, that does seem a bit odd ..12:08
lbtwhere's that story again?12:08
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alteregoThink I saw it on BBC News12:09
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Stskeepshello thetet :)12:10
thetetStskeeps: hello :)12:10
* alterego wonders if someone could make a boot selector for the N9/50 which uses volume keys for navigation and power for select.12:10
Stskeepsalterego: didn't you try marquiz's MOSLO?12:11
Stskeepsthetet: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?12:11
thetetStskeeps: curiosity :) i own a n810, n900 and recently got a n9 and i think humankind needs a free mobile os12:12
alteregoIt certainly does ..12:12
Stskeepsthetet: that's a good start :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask them at any time, else feel free to hang out12:12
thetetdoes the mer project build upon meego/harmattan?12:13
Stskeepsthetet: well. historically, Mer comes from MeeGo 1.3, sized down to be more maintainable and lower footprint12:13
Stskeepsthetet: there's a project, Nemo, which utilizes Mer as it's Core, which uses harmattan components12:13
Stskeepsand when i say meego, i mean the 'real' meego, from meego.com12:13
alteregoWhich were also MeeGo 1.0-1.2 components12:14
thetetah, nice12:14
alteregoAnd least the Handset UX stuff.12:14
alterego~At least ..12:14
Stskeepsso we do good core work here for use in many different projects12:14
Stskeepsand then people can do good UI/product work in other places, without worrying about core too much12:14
thetetit's on my todo list, to flash a multiboot kernel and tryout different os12:14
alteregoLike Nemo, Cordia, etc.12:14
Stskeepsthetet: for n900 we recommend u-boot12:15
lbtthetet: so what kinda Mer/OSS person are you? Coder, end user?12:15
thetetStskeeps: tnx for the tipp :)12:15
thetetlbt: i'm not so deep into OS hacking, but i would say, i'm a software developer12:16
thetetlbt: more into web dev at the moment12:16
lbtthat's useful, we want people to play with HTML5 and QML stuff on top of Mer12:17
lbtit should be easy - and we need feedback where it's not12:17
thetetyeah cool, can't wait!12:17
lbtover the next week or so I'm hoping to put out some docs on how to get that going - nag me12:18
thetetbut i have to admit, that i'm currently a bit busy with client projects12:18
lbtnp. open invite12:18
thetetlbt: sounds good :) i'll also be around in this channel from now on12:18
Stskeepsthetet: every monday we have bug triages, announced on our mailing list (, where you can find things to do as well12:19
thetetsubscribed :)12:24
* lbt goes for 2 counter-rotating Mer images12:26
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lbtand removes the FPS counter12:26
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Stskeepsw00t_: didn't you have on-screen fps?12:26
w00t_i do, you want v3?12:27
w00t_it scales too, just for extra fun :P12:27
Stskeepsw00t_: please do12:27
lbtw00t_: got a quick, sexy qml thing I can use with "qmlscene" to show off12:27
* lbt has 30m before leaving12:27
w00t_lbt: yes12:27
lbtOrange Labs12:27
w00t_(although aren't you using it?)12:27
w00t_ah.. something else?12:27
Stskeepslbt: minimer is w00t's12:27
lbtI'm on ExoPC btw12:28
alteregoalso, some more good news, my pi has been ordered :)12:28
lbtStskeeps: I know he's got better than that12:28
Stskeepslbt: probably a bad idea to switch demo now, i guess12:28
lbtlive dangerously12:28
alteregow00t_ same game seems to be the one, and maybe the qt3d stuff?12:29
lbtStskeeps: we're on sw rendering ?12:30
alteregoThere's also those swirly qt logos12:30
Stskeepslbt: .. depends, are you using our x86 package group?12:30
Stskeepsshow me ks12:30
w00t_lbt: is the latest I have12:31
w00t_don't overwrite your existing copy, obviously, in case something goes wrong12:31
lbtthe one I have is ~15 lines :)12:31
lbtthat's not actually the real ks12:32
w00t_that screwed up12:32
lbtI did manual installs of stuff and recorded hacks to reproduce12:32
Stskeepslbt: OK, so not sw rendering12:33
lbtStskeeps: good - I saw a log message in Xorg but didn't actually check12:33
Stskeepsit's 60fps, who's complaining..12:33
w00t_lbt: re-fetch12:33
w00t_it's very similar, just with on-screen FPS display now, and scaling added12:34
w00t_still a small demo12:34
* lbt wants andrews demo12:34
lbtsoooooo jealous12:34
w00t_I am thinking of either doing some more advanced ones or just adding some more fun stuff to that one, but I need to find space in the time budget12:35
lbt[  7707.384] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 012:35
Stskeepslbt: will have to be next time.. he put it out in oss12:35
lbtI have it on my laptop12:35
Stskeepsi don't have wayland support that easily available, so12:35
lbtah, that was the blocker12:36
lbtnm though, I'm sure some of what he did can be re-used and be a great learning tool12:36
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Stskeepslbt: just wanted to say good luck :)12:38
lbtthanks :)12:38
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lbttweaked, 2 counter-rotating Mers, front one bouncing12:41
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w00t_lbt: \o/12:43
w00t_smooth FPS? :)12:43
* w00t_ nods12:44
lbtw00t_: FPS or Hz, not both :)12:44
w00t_lbt: i choose to blame sroedal12:45
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w00t_he wrote that component, I just mercilessly stole it :)12:45
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lbtreboot test12:45
lbt7 secs to spinning Mer from syslinux12:46
w00t_on exopc?12:46
w00t_that's not half bad12:46
lbtSSDs are kinda cheating12:46
lbtwhich is prolly why they specc'ed them :)12:47
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lbtactually, now I have a "play" platform I'm going to have some fun12:47
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alteregoI didn't think the exo ssd was particularly speedy.12:50
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alteregoOh neat, they fixed the email client in harmattan 1.312:52
w00t_in what way?12:53
alteregoI can delete emails without it crashing12:53
alteregoRisc OS on Pi, cool ... :)12:57
alteregoqt on risc ow anyone? :D12:59
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Maceri want a raspi13:08
Macerthey're all sold out13:08
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alteregoYeah, got an email yesterday saying they're ready to process my order, but then the order page says a wait of up to 12 weeks O_O13:11
Stskeepsthat's fine, just get it13:12
Stskeepsrs online or farnell?13:12
Stskeepsi got mine damn quick from them13:15
alteregoCool, I was hoping it's to do with playing it safe ;)13:15
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StskeepsSage_: i have updated kernel-adaptation-pc and syslinux from tizen, how would you feel about getting those into X86 adaptation?16:26
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dm8tbrthey didn't come with their we'll-sue-you-into-oblivion-open-source-license? ;)16:28
Stskeepsno, and we have to admit that intel knows how to do atom adaptations16:29
dm8tbrintel knowing something about their silicon, that's news. ;)16:29
Clark008so I read meego got an update with over 1000 improvements, lol16:31
dm8tbrClark008: harmattan, not meego16:31
dm8tbrmeego proper has been mostly bit-rotting away since last may16:32
dm8tbrwith exception of IVI and TV16:32
Clark008ah, gotcha16:33
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CosmoHilloh good god17:29
CosmoHillsomeone on the (CLFS) mailing list has an "out of office" auto reply17:29
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dm8tbrCosmoHill: someone™ should write instructions how to configure Exchange accounts using outlook  for  OoO replies that exclude mailinglists... and then send that to such people17:37
* alterego continues working on his Json messaging protocols.17:38
alteregoQuite fun really ..17:38
CosmoHillmy Class 10 30MB/s 16GB SDHC arrived today :)17:46
CosmoHillordered it monday for £9 :)17:46
CosmoHilltypically, 10 mins after I ordered it dad said he had a 4GB I could use on my pi17:48
alteregoHeh, lol17:51
alteregoI've got a 4G and an 8G17:51
alteregoNot sure I need to get another tbf17:51
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CosmoHillI have an ultra exsteame for my camera17:59
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alteregoYup, pretty chuffed with this IPC mechanism.20:17
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lbtalterego: ?20:23
alteregoI'm implementing a lightweight Json based IPC mechanism which uses local & tcp sockets as well as REST over HTTP20:33
alteregoIn Qt/C++20:34
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alteregoI've implemented connection dropping and reconnection support, ad-hoc message processing, QObject proxy stuff to allow RPC.20:36
alteregoA gateway protocol and gateway implementation for message distribution over node "clusters".20:36
alteregoIt's a bit overkill for what I actually want to use it for, but I kind of get carried away with this things ..20:38
lbtwell, if you're learning stuff :)20:38
lbtI guess you've looked at 0mq and such?20:39
alteregoI'm learning a bit about the QMetaObject20:39
alteregoAnd it's reinforced my knowledge of concurrent software and communication patterns.20:39
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alteregoWhich I've not really used for over 2 years and do find it quite interesting.20:40
alteregoYeah, I've looked at other Qt messaging stuff.20:40
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lbtnot sure if that's of interest - may be nice to interact with 0MQ in other languages like python though20:44
alteregoHaven't heard of that one before.20:44
lbt0MQ was an option for us in BOSS but we went for AMQP instead to get centralised redundancy - fitted the design better for BOSS20:45
lbtfor you 0MQ is more distributed20:45
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lbtdefinitely read up on it - it's kinda like you saying you're writing a json DB and then someone mentions Mongo and CouchDB etc :)20:48
alteregoWell, I'm also doing it because I enjoy it ;)20:50
alteregoAnd the framework isn't actually limited to JSON, it's just this particular use case is using Json20:50
alteregoThough that's beside the point ;)20:51
lbtsure ... just FYI20:51
alteregoYeah, thanks for pointing those out, I'll have to have a look at it.20:51
alteregotbf, I probably should have just used dbus ;)20:52
alteregoThough there are a lot of places I want this to go where dbus wont run and also it wont do what I want.20:53
lbtif you think you should have used dbus then you should have used amqp or 0MQ :)20:53
lbtI went through the exact same thing for BOSS and the IPC there20:53
lbtwrote "AIR" - AMQP Interoperable RPC or something20:54
lbtdead simple, json based rpc on top of AMQP :)20:54
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lbttiny and just enough for what we needed20:57
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alteregoI do wonder why I'm doing a lot of this in Qt/C++ anyway21:03
alteregoWould be easier to do it in another language with very little overhead.21:03
alteregoAt least some of the components ..21:03
alteregoMaybe I should before I get too far with this particular aspect.21:03
alteregoI would like to do it all in QML/QtScript :)21:04
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