Monday, 2012-07-02

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sonachhi,what is the bugzilla site address of Mer?04:39
sonachStskeeps: thank you. I have cleared it in my Firefox :(04:39
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Stskeepsfrom tizen mailing list: "reality is that almost everything happens behind closed doors with no04:45
Stskeepsthat's sad, but surprisingily honest04:45
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dm8tbrStskeeps: if you take into account, that this is ultimately a vehicle for operators to (in their hope) replace android. that's really no surprise in behaviour, is it?05:28
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: is QtMutimedia a replacement of Phonon multimedia framework?06:30
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Stskeepsyes, depending on who you ask06:30
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: what do you mean?06:31
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: they are both in qt sdk, I can use either ?06:32
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: use qtmultimedia when possible06:32
Stskeepsphonon isn't likely to be around / well tested06:32
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Stskeepsgood morning srikanth :)06:35
iekkuhi srikanth06:38
srikanthGood morning Stskeeps:)06:38
srikanthHi iekku06:38
Stskeepslbt: prod me when awake (keywords: sdk, snapshot, TLDR instructions..)06:39
sonachStskeeps: have you ever used Ubuntu Server to run VMs?06:46
Stskeepssonach: not off hand, i use opensuse myself06:46
sonachStskeeps: do you know who have done this? I want to ask how to auto-start VMs after ubuntu server's reboot,06:47
Stskeepsdo you use virt-manager or what is used?06:48
sonachStskeeps: yes, now I use virt-manager, but how to auto-start the VMs?06:49
Stskeepsisn't there a setting in virt-manager for this?06:49
sonachStskeeps: I don't know... will do some research on this :)06:51
dm8tbryes, there is a tickbox06:55
dm8tbryou just tick it and it is supposed to magically start them on boot06:56
sonachdm8tbr: thanks. I found it. And do you know how to auto-start fakeobs on OpenSUSE11.4? I tried it several days ago, but failed :(06:59
Stskeepssonach: i was in same situation and raised a bug..06:59
sonachStskeeps: railed a bug to bugzilla?07:00
Stskeepssonach: yes07:00
Stskeepsno init.d script07:00
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sonachok, then I have to start it manually ATM :P07:00
Stskeepsmorn phaeron07:00
sonachStskeeps: if the ubuntu server is running, and I poweroff it without closing the VMs. will there any damages to the VMs?07:02
Stskeepssonach: well theoretically you should be able to send a shutdown signal to each07:02
Stskeepsand they'll shut down themselves07:02
sonachStskeeps: how to send this signal?07:03
phaeronlibvirt should do that automatically07:03
sonachphaeron: so some setting should be done?07:03
phaeronactually I think it suspends them and resumes them next boot. sonach, no just try it , and see07:03
Stskeepssonach: if acpid is installed on the VM it should shut down cleanly, i would hope07:03
sonachphaeron: oh, you mean that I can safely ignore this?07:03
Stskeepsor what phaeron said07:04
sonachah, if the VMs can be suspended, it is a good result :)07:04
sonachi will test it now!07:04
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Stskeepsphaeron: is what i get if i don't remove "-cpu host" in KVM call07:18
phaeronStskeeps: I leave the cpu as default07:20
Stskeeps'cpu as default'?07:20
Stskeepsthis is stock 'build', fwiw07:21
phaeronStskeeps: I mean I don't pass a cpu option usually07:22
Stskeepsokay, this is something mandatory for kvms in 'build', so :P07:23
* phaeron doesn't get who broke what where07:24
phaeronprobably need coffee :D07:24
Stskeepsso i'm on opensuse 11.4 and using a kvm worker in obs causes it to die like the above07:25
Stskeepsif i remove -cpu host from kvm call, it doesn't fail07:25
phaeronmm try -cpu kvm64 ?07:26
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phaeronit could just be too old kvm , why not try 12.1 host07:27
Stskeepswell, because our phosts aren't07:27
Stskeepsand until recently obs didn't function well with 12.107:27
Stskeepsbut yeah, old kvm may be a possibility07:28
Stskeepsor old kernel07:28
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sonachStskeeps: what is the bug number of the fakeobs auto-start? I should add myself to the CC list. after poweroff, the VM doesn't suspend, but closes :P07:31
Stskeepssonach: hmm07:31
Stskeepssonach: that should be a setting07:31
Stskeepssonach: bug 40507:32
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sonachStskeeps: ok07:32
phaeronStskeeps: so the vm shutdsdown or dies ?07:40
phaeronthe default afair it sto suspend07:40
Stskeepsphaeron: dies07:40
Stskeepssonach's issue, you mean or my obs issue/07:40
sonachphaeron: the VM dies, and after the host's reboot, the VM restart again,07:41
phaeronsonach: there are some libvirt settings to check , and also did you install acpid inside and made sure it started like Stskeeps said07:42
phaeronbut libvirt is well documented you can figure that out :)07:42
sonachphaeron: ok,07:43
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sonachStskeeps: after I start fakeobs on MDS, and triggle a rebuilt for a package, it reports, connect to connection refused. and I restart obsscheduler, the same error, odd :P07:46
sonachStskeeps: I have to restart the be?07:47
Stskeepsthat is oddd..07:48
Stskeepsyes, maybe07:48
Stskeepsit might be cached07:48
sonachok. so it will be a problem even when MDS can auto-start fakeobs, since we can not make MDS starts before BE exactly ...07:50
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sonachStskeeps: after i restart be, the same error. any instructions?07:55
Stskeepsperhaps a rebuild trigger on the package specifically07:56
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sonachStskeeps: what do you mean?07:58
Stskeepsie, trigger a rebuild after BE07:58
sonachStskeeps: yes, i trigger just now...  on the WebUI07:59
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sonachStskeeps: i remove and add the same file on WebUI, it works. maybe there is something wrong with 'triggle rebuild' menu. And I have to restart BE and Worker,otherwise the build is odd. so maybe acpid can solve this? i am trying.08:32
Stskeepsyes, sometimes its a bit odd08:32
sonachStskeeps: i think the VMs are shutdown abnormally. so i have to restart them...  ok, let it be :P08:34
Stskeepslbt: and 'fe' just keeled over, no idea why08:37
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Stskeepslbt: phost5 has a disk failure08:41
Stskeepslbt: and take a look at phost1 dmesg too08:43
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Sage_Stskeeps, lbt: We need to cut down the binaries from the review git. It is too heavy already :/09:31
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Stskeepsnot before we have copyprj in place though09:32
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Stskeepsplanning on doing this for ofonod and some other useful daemons too09:32
Stskeepsso it's easy to ask somebody to get debug logs09:32
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Sage_Stskeeps: grr... really need to push the spectacle new version. see %preun in spec :)09:33
StskeepsSage_: yes, there's a bug in sdk too09:34
Stskeepsin instructions09:34
Stskeepswaiting for lbt to wake up :P09:34
* lbt wakes up09:34
Stskeepslbt: scroll up and get a big mug of coffee09:34
lbtoh balls09:34
Stskeepsdisk failure, odd machine check errors are first prio09:35
Stskeepsfe i just re-started09:35
Sage_I'll push the spectacle version today. But first time to have some breakfast ;)09:35
lbt"Core temperature above threshold"09:35
Stskeepslbt: and 'machine check event'09:36
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Stskeepswhich is a bit odd09:36
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lbt5 is not our machine :/09:37
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* lbt will have a dig09:38
Stskeepsphaeron: can you give me an copyprj for dummies tutoriaL?09:39
lbtI need to take Denise to the station in a few mins too09:39
Stskeepslbt: ok09:39
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Stskeepslbt: also, something's seriously odd with the snapshot tl,dr refers to on platform sdk09:39
Stskeepsit doesn't have sdk-upgrade09:39
phaeronStskeeps: from what angle, technical or how to use it ?09:40
lbtOK - I'll review that too09:40
Stskeepsphaeron: how to use it09:40
* lbt has an osc patch to provide "copyprj" command (with docs)09:41
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Stskeepslbt: in addition to that, we concluded transparent prjlinks weren't in.. but get denise to the station and we can work with that afterwards09:43
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phaeronyeah I put the patch in a branch09:57
phaeronStskeeps: brb09:57
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Stskeepshello gurubob :)10:13
gurubobhello from New Zealand :)10:14
Stskeepswelcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?10:14
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lbtback, with coffee, with extra shot...10:15
gurubobJupiter Broadcasting's Linux Action Show reviewed the Vivaldi Tablet which is powered by Mer and KDE - thought I'd find out a bit about Mer...10:15
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lbtgurubob: you're in the right place :)10:15
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Stskeepsgurubob: was this a recent show?10:15
gurubobLet me dig up the link...10:15
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Stskeepsgurubob: BTW, if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out and learn more :)10:16
Stskeepsah, i watched that one10:17
gurubobstskeeps: cheers - i'm a web developer by trade so the HTML5 aspect of Mer is appealing10:17
Stskeepsyeah, we're just trying to do a good job on making a nice stable core for people to do exciting things with10:18
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Stskeepsinstead of having to spend several manmonths on boring stuff everybody else does as well :)10:18
Stskeepsmight be good for #harmattan as well10:22
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StskeepsREMINDER: Mer bug triage in an hour in #mer-meeting10:57
lbtan hour?11:00
lbtwas it put back?11:00
Stskeepslonger coffee break..11:00
iekkumer bug triage11:00
Stskeeps12:00 UTC11:00
Stskeeps.. or now11:01
Stskeepswell, it's 11:00 UTC now11:01
Stskeepsiekku: please correct to 11:00 UTC from next week on :)11:01
lbtit's been at 11UTC most weeks :)11:01
Stskeepsit's ok :)11:02
Stskeepsi got confused too11:02
iekkuit was in the meeting invitation 11-> 12. but topic was wrong11:04
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Sage_lbt, phaeron: any comments would that be ok for now to get around that issue with spectacle versions. BOSS check still fails after that if the behaviour of spectacle has changed but otherwise it would pass the check after that.11:11
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lbtphaeron: CI boss-daemon.rb is running at 100% cpu11:57
lbthave you or Stskeeps done anything there recently?11:57
Stskeepslbt: hmm, CI is supposed to be down and nothing running currently in checks11:58
Stskeepslbt: be will be running at high cpu, testing copyprj11:58
phaeronkill it11:58
Stskeepslbt: check ruote viewer?11:59
lbtbeen looking at the logs and it's quiet11:59
lbtphaeron: I'd restarted it and same11:59
phaerondoes it actually shutdown12:00
phaeronthe old version had that issue12:00
Stskeepswe probably need a service / re-impl of mer ci this 'sprint' anyway12:00
phaeronI meant kill -SIGKILL12:00
Stskeepsas we are changing way of doing releases12:00
phaeronyeah redeploying with the new stuff might be a good idea12:00
lbtphaeron: mmmk ... and ... same thing12:01
lbtit's restarted by supervise12:01
lbtboss-daemon.rb is the high cpu process12:02
phaeronkill -9 ? :D12:02
phaeronis rabbitmq up ?12:02
lbtit dies when I kill it (or when I just restart nicely)12:03
lbtthen it comes back (which we want) ... and then uses cpu again12:03
phaeronok then I don't know maybe your rabbitmq has issues12:03
phaeronrestart that12:03
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Stskeepslbt: yeah, we need to look at i/o perf of be/fe machine too12:11
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lbtthis could be the CPU overheat btw12:12
Stskeepsfewer cpus or something?12:12
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lbtcobs boss is 9.1% CPU 0% ksoftirqd/0  (1vcpu)12:13
lbtmer boss is 57.5% CPU 43.5% ksoftirqd/0  (1vcpu)12:13
lbtthis looks like it's looping in a timer/event type thing12:14
ShadowJKis this old smelly buggy kernel or java, because those hit 100% cpu whne the leap second came?12:14
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u1106-officelbt: did you reboot after the leap second?
lbtu1106-office: :D12:18
phaeronfirefox and java were the only thing that had problems on my laptop12:18
ShadowJKNothing at all had any problems on my desktop12:19
ShadowJKnot evne firefox12:19
lbtI'll check around but we seem OK for most systems12:19
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Sage_Stskeeps: what is packaging-tools/Makefile.common? :)12:25
Sage_never heard :D12:26
Sage_or well nerver used12:26
Sage_last submit 2010 so probably not very actively used12:27
lbtStskeeps: fe died OOMkilled12:28
lbtpreviously I mean12:29
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Sage_does anyone have any problems with spectacle that haven't been reported to bugzilla?12:43
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Sage_will be tagging 0.25 probably today12:43
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Sage_umm... was it Project:MINT:Testing where I need to push spectacle update?13:23
Stskeepsphaeron: ok, first awkward bug13:23
Sage_or Mer:Tools:Testing?13:24
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Sage_lbt: ^13:24
Stskeepsphaeron: i just copyprojected Core:i486 to Core:blah:i486 .. and it set <link> to Core:mipsel13:24
Stskeepsthere was no link before13:25
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phaeronwhat ? :D13:26
phaeronare you sure.. it just copies the old link13:27
Stskeepsyes, that was my thought too13:27
Stskeepsthere is no link in Core:i486.13:27
phaeronok weird ..13:27
phaeronfunny too13:27
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phaeron1Stskeeps: sorry got disconnected. is that reproducible13:43
Stskeepsphaeron1: possibly13:47
Stskeepstry to do a copyprj on your own from a project without <link>13:48
lbtI don't get a <link>13:50
phaeron1Stskeeps: when I get home. vms there13:50
Stskeepsphaeron1: sure13:51
lbtI'm using our released version13:51
Stskeepssame here13:51
Sage_ok, did something happen to cobs recently that is incompatible with mer sdk?13:51
lbtI did /maemo/devel/obs/osc/ --debug -t -A copyprj -n -b MyMerUx MyMerUx3313:51
Stskeepsdefine incompatible13:51
Stskeepsosc -A copyprj -m "Test 1" -b -H -n Core:i486 Core:0.20120712.0.0.1:i48613:51
Sage_Stskeeps: osc seems to lag a lot and at times doesn't return at all13:52
Sage_migth be also my laptop issue though :/13:52
lbtSage_: not AFAIK13:53
lbtI checked for leap-second issues and cobs seems unaffected13:54
lbtSage_: missed your spectacle question: Mer:Tools:Testing is good13:59
Sage_lbt: already doing for MINT ;)14:01
Sage_I noted that you previously copied from MINT to MTT so I did it like previously done :P14:01
lbtfair enough :)14:02
lbtThe Tools process isn't written up so I can't complain14:02
Sage_I think I asked this same thing last time.14:03
lbtcurrent 'notes'14:03
Sage_phaeron1: ^ not sure if you need to do something for BOSS or if it picks that up automatically at some point14:04
lbtit won't14:04
lbtit needs installing to the boss VM14:04
lbtwhich, incidentally, should probably run participants inside an SDK14:05
phaeron1lbt: go away14:07
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phaeron1Sage_: accepted14:08
phaeron1will install once it is built14:08
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phaeron1lbt: did you kill the boss vm ?14:35
lbtyou're logged into it14:36
phaeron1can't ssh to  it14:36
phaeron1finally it responds14:36
phaeron1lbt: 100% cpu there too14:37
phaeron1reboot ?14:37
phaeron1then ?14:40
phaeron1what did  you  do14:41
lbt /etc/init.d/ntp stop; date; date `date +"%m%d%H%M%y."`; date; /etc/init.d/ntp start14:42
phaeron1that doesn't look right :D14:44
lbtit forces a manual 'date' setting14:44
phaeron1there's a weird char in there I mean14:44
lbt /etc/init.d/ntp stop; date; date $(date +"%m%d%H%M%y."); date; /etc/init.d/ntp start14:44
lbthello . person14:45
lbthi %S14:45
* phaeron1 backs away14:45
Stskeepswhat's wrong with your irc client?14:45
lbtsomething's escaping %S to 'strikethrough'14:45
lbtif I type % S without a space ... it goes all strikethroughey14:46
slaineIf someone else types %S do you see it or the strikethrough14:46
lbtsomething in KDE or konversation then14:46
slainemust be, I see %s14:47
slaine%S that is14:47
phaeron1lbt: on another system it doesn't work14:49
lbtthat command you mean ?14:49
lbtI just ran it on all vms in meego14:50
Stskeepsphaeron1: trying copyprj again for fun and profit14:51
phaeron1fun mostly14:52
Stskeepsweren't the project copy (each package) a hardlink, btw?14:53
lbtbinaries are hardlinked in the backend14:54
phaeron1yeah afaik14:54
Stskeepsso it shouldn't be i/o heavy?14:54
lbtpublishing hurts14:54
lbtand it's done in such a way that it's really hard to fix14:55
Stskeepsand we can't postpone publishing 'to the end'?14:55
lbtwell, that could be done by the process14:55
lbtbut the point is to allow IMG to see the published repo14:55
Stskeepsie, first activate publishing in the end, or when we're done building14:55
lbtso... not really14:55
lbton success, yes14:55
Stskeepsi mean, we do A -> A+1, then switcheroo to S+114:55
lbtand finally publish14:56
lbtbut that's boss, not copyprojj14:56
Stskeepsthat'd probably be more efficient14:56
lbtand... would we have to turn of publish on the source14:56
Stskeepscopyprj sets up the new project's meta14:56
lbtor "copy and disable publish"14:56
Stskeepsso that's why i said it in copyprj14:56
lbtso --no-pub14:56
lbtas an option14:56
Stskeepsalso, why doesn't it copy the prjconf?14:57
phaeron1because it doesn't14:57
lbtsome of the code pre-existed14:57
Stskeepsbtw, not putting any blame, just mentioning my experiences as i come across them :)14:57
Stskeepsas i think it's fantastic work in the first place14:58
phaeron1it's a good point though. it should try to preserve everything14:59
phaeron1bbl, going home14:59
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Stskeepsalso, synchronous copyprj will time ot14:59
lbtit can, yes15:00
lbtit avoided some issues with delayed_api15:00
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Stskeepslbt: anyway.. can i assert that the sdk snapshot should be having sdk-upgrade within it?15:05
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lbtStskeeps: yes, it should16:34
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Sage_can one build mips packages in cobs?16:53
Sage_if so what is the scheduler name for it?16:54
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lbtSage_: no, we can't16:59
lbtwhen we upgrade OBS we'll add that16:59
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Stskeepslbt: restarting fe.*, it's acting massively weird17:29
lbtin what way17:29
Stskeepsas in complete and utter stalls of api and webui17:30
lbtStatus: 500 Internal Server Error17:32
lbtConnection refused - connect(2)17:32
Stskeepsyes, i am restarting it17:33
Stskeepsbetter now17:33
Stskeepsphaeron: second time around <link> didn't come along17:34
lbtOK - yell if you want me to look at anything... I'm looking at some slide stuff17:34
* CosmoHill has a raspberry pi17:34
Stskeepsone to watch, i think17:34
StskeepsCosmoHill: congratulations :)17:34
lbtCosmoHill: how long did it take to get it?17:34
CosmoHillit's my birthday present (birthday was in march)17:34
Stskeepswhen did you order, rather17:34
CosmoHilldad ordered it mid march i think17:35
phaeronStskeeps: position of stars ?17:36
Stskeepsphaeron: solar flare, ish17:37
phaeronleap second is the new thing it seems17:37
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phaeronStskeeps: so apart from prjconf , anything else ? did you get the sometimes decided to rebuild race condition lbt saw ?17:38
Stskeepsphaeron: not sure, it screwed completely up first time17:38
Stskeepstrying again17:38
Stskeepsdue to the Core:mipsel17:38
CosmoHillI thought this thing was small, then I took it out of the box to discover that it's tiny17:40
Stskeepsit's really tiny, yeah17:40
Sage_ well this is new17:40
StskeepsSage_: err..17:40
Stskeepswtf gives that17:40
CosmoHilli have the model b btw17:41
Sage_updating mpc to newer version and the new one fails liek taht17:41
Sage_or well it continues but doesn't do libraries :P17:41
StskeepsCosmoHill: yeah, everybody does i think17:41
StskeepsSage_: arm or x86?17:41
Sage_or well all17:41
Stskeeps%reconfigure ?17:42
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Sage_lets see17:43
Sage_no same thing17:43
CosmoHillthis thing is the same size as my usb to IDE / SATA adapter17:45
StskeepsSage_: google the error?17:45
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Stskeepsshow me the build log?17:48
Stskeepslbt: did you see our discussion on kvm -cpu host before you woke up, btw?17:50
dm8tbrhmm interesting B2G devices announced. didn't they plan to pace that slower?17:50
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Stskeepsdm8tbr: dunno, they're a pretty damn big gap in market atm17:50
Stskeepsmight be good time to do it now17:51
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Stskeepsthey = there17:51
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Stskeepsphaeron: i think i need a patch that does prjconf too.. i added prjconf and it rebuilds17:52
Sage_Stskeeps: it is fixed in their svn already. adding patch17:52
StskeepsSage_: k17:52
StskeepsSage_: CI is not reviewing atm while we're sorting out new release method17:52
Stskeepsjust for good measure17:52
Sage_Stskeeps: k17:54
Stskeepsphaeron: this is on a non-prjlink project, though all packages are links17:55
phaeronso first it didn't rebuild, then you added prjcnf and then it rebuilt ?18:03
Stskeepsfirst it didn't have any repo results listed18:03
Stskeepsas there was no prjconf to read from18:03
lbtleap second issue btw:
phaeronhmm prjconf has that effect ? didn't know18:04
CosmoHill"Do not attempt to power your Raspberry Pi by plugging it into a computer or a hub." oops18:05
Stskeepsi don't have any prjconf as it's the toppest level project18:05
CosmoHillthat could have gone wrong18:05
StskeepsCosmoHill: well, they advise against that but.. :P18:05
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CosmoHilli quick;y unplugged it when i read it18:08
CosmoHilldownloading the image now and will look for a SD card after dinner18:09
CosmoHillwhat class SD card would you recommend?18:09
Stskeepsfastest you can get18:09
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Sage_phaeron, lbt, Stskeeps: cobs doesn't seem to build for armv7hl at all atm. It starts and says building but nothing happens.18:21
Sage_arvm7l armv6l and i586 builds fine18:22
Stskeepsshould work...18:23
Stskeepsphaeron: lbt / could you check builders?18:23
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StskeepsSage_: does it happen for mer-next too18:29
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lbtany pointers?18:30
Sage_Stskeeps: not sure18:30
Sage_lbt: the armv7hl there has 1 building but nothing happens18:30
phaeronprjconf ?18:35
lbtbuild seems to be quietly crashing18:39
lbt... fetching sources, packages, /var/cache/obs/worker/root_2/.build.log: No such file or directory18:39
Stskeepssounds like a restart of worker needed18:39
Stskeepslike, obsworker itself18:40
Stskeepslbt: when you're done with the latest nightmares, SR#516318:41
Stskeepsfor latrace18:41
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lbtdifferent worker now hanging on :  fetching sources, packages18:43
Stskeepsthat's more sane18:44
Stskeepsperhaps worker cache filling up?18:44
lbtI see ... it's the same hang18:46
lbtthe log comments are from the attempt to tail the log in the webui18:46
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lbtSage_: OK ... working now19:00
lbtyou'd think several tens of thousands of $$ worth of hardware would be able to tell the bloody time19:00
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lbtand why do the ntp docs appear to be written by people who are more interested in demonstrating how clever they are than in helping you use the damned program?19:10
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CosmoHillhow do I get dd to show its progress?19:11
lbtpipe it through pv19:12
CosmoHillI don't have pv on my mac19:14
lbtinstall it19:14
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CosmoHillnight night22:04
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